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Super wario man
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Why Wario is a super hero if he is a very bad guy
That was back in 2012. Miyamoto has embraced the last name since 2015, even joking more recently that Link's full name is just like Mario's: Link Link.LinkTheLefty (talk) 10:42, 20 November 2018 (EST)
I'd argue that just because Miyamoto says Mario has a last name doesn't mean it's true. It's like how J.K. Rowling said Hermione was black even though the books (she wrote) clearly stated that she had white skin. Miyamoto says Mario has a last name but none of the games back up this claim. The only real source for Mario having a last name is the 1993 Mario Movie and that is shown to not be canon to the games.--Pizza Master (talk) 19:08, August 6, 2023 (EDT)
Except that nothing in the games contradicts Mario being the last name, so we have no reason to not trust Miyamoto on the subject. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 19:38, August 15, 2023 (EDT)
If Miyamoto flip-flops between whether they do or don't have a last name, can we really trust that they do? What if he flip-flops back to saying they (Mario and Luigi) don't have last names? Also, though the games don't contradict Miyamoto they also don't support Miyamoto either. I think we should leave the last name blank because there has yet to be confirmation from the games on the subject.--Pizza Master 17:22, August 16, 2023 (EDT)
If he changes his mind again then we'll reflect that, but he hasn't done so since 2015, and he only changed his mind once anyway. And if we were to remove information on the basis of not being confirmed nor denied by the games, the wiki would be pretty different (there's plenty of enemies that are unnamed in the games and use their names from guides, books, websites, emails, etc.). Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 08:43, August 17, 2023 (EDT)
Fair enough. Though, I do think that Mario having the same first and last name is pretty dumb. It makes me wonder; Is Wario's full name Wario Wario?--Pizza Master 16:03, August 17, 2023 (EDT)
If that were the case, Waluigi's full name would be "Waluigi Wario". However, Wario and Waluigi's last names weren't confirmed by Nintendo, only Mario's full name was confirmed to be "Mario Mario"; also making Luigi's full name "Luigi Mario". Jake Lugo (talk) 10:08, March 9, 2024 (EST)
The writing is AWFUL
I needed something to listen to while I worked on something, so I had text-to-speech read out this article because I was curious. Most of the article is fine, but the "History" section is a complete and utter mess. Tons of poor grammar, spelling and grammatical errors, missing words, nonsensical statements, unnecessary information, and unrelated tangents. Everything beyond the History section is competently written, so it's just the big section that goes over all the games Mario has been in.
I'm afraid I don't have the time to fix it, but I thought I would at least bring it up here. 96.48.239.44 07:34, 19 January 2019 (EST)
You mean you can't? Yes, it is protected. You have to create an account first, make at least 5 edits on pages, during 4 days, and you'd be autoconfirmed to edit the page. --FanOfYoshi at 07:46, 19 January 2019 (EST)
Uhh... No, I said "I don't have the time" because I don't have the time. 96.48.239.44 20:43, 19 January 2019 (EST)
Okay... Can you provide a few examples of the "awful" writing? (T|C) 02:57, 20 January 2019 (EST)
Please just remove Mario's dang height....
There is no confirmation on what Mario's "canon" height is as far as I'm aware and saying Mario's canon height is 155cm just because a Statue that said "Life Size" on it exists is an outright stupid reason to say he's over 5 feet, and it's outright insane to think he's somehow 155cm, it makes no sense whatsoever and it's offensive to short people such as myself, because I stand at 165cm and I will never grow a bit anymore. And when someone says stubby freakin' Mario is 155cm, I find that so insulting, especially when Mario Odyssey gameplay depicts Mario just a tiny bit taller than a freaking Fire Hydrant, which Hydrants are standardized at around 2 feet, and when I measured a Fire Hydrant height, it was 2'06" not to mention I measured my own head at 9 inches, and doing the math with a ripped model (from a Gmod Addon) of the New Donk Male Citizen, measured the height in heads (removing the head from the rest of the mesh and stacking the heads on top of each other), the height in heads was 7.05, I took my own height (65 inches) and divided it by 9, and I got 7.22, which means I must be taller than the New Donk City male citizen, if anything, Mario stands at 3'00" (92cm) not to mention he displays common complications of Dwarfism, for instance, he's usually bow legged and has a slight hunch back. And, I mean, unlike people who claim Mario is 155cm, at the very least I can show my work that shows how I got my answer for Mario's height, and essentially show prove, and evidence of Mario's height being otherwise - https://ibb.co/WKMm22j and to think, people have yet to convince me Mario is somehow 5 feet, and honestly, I'll probably never believe it, because it's so outlandish and stupid to think, want to know why using that "Life Size" statue is so stupid? - https://us.amazon.com/Authentic-Nintendo-Licensed-Super-Collectible/dp/B01IGY1AFA it is apparently a "Life Size" Mario plush... yet it's a completely different number in height from the dang statue... And Let's be honest, I have more evidence on my side, Against calculations? Rather have officials say so? Welp, here ya go - https://gonintendo.com/stories/293589-super-mario-odyssey-director-explains-why-new-donk-city-takes-a-r, Want More? Take more - https://www.dualshockers.com/miyamoto-explains-initially-worried-super-mario-odyssey/, notice that our key words on that second one are "Miyamoto" and "Normal People" Mario just can't be 5 feet, it makes no sense, and, well, this is probably a stupider reason I have to disbelieve it, but wouldn't it look so dang weird if a 155cm Mario were next to any anime girl of the height of 5 feet, like a lot of them are?
If you aren't mad at me for making this message and trying to defend my short height of 165cm (in imperial terms, that's 5'05"), and if you decided to take the time to look at my calculations and my points rather than outright say "UR RAWNG! UR RAWNG! IGNURINCE" or nailing me to a cross and burning it to the ground for saying Mario isn't over 5 feet tall, Thank You.
GoldyFish110 (talk) 21 June 2019
Sorry I don't think you can delete information from an article (ESPECIALLY not Mario's) without a proposal. I'manumber1 (talk) 13:42, October 31, 2021 (EDT)
Sigh... I didn't wanna ask this again, but
Please remove a certain something from this quote I put here "Mario wears a trademark cap, brown hair (although the DiC cartoons sometimes depict it as black), a black or dark-brown mustache, and overalls and is 155 cm (5 ft, 1 in) tall.[24]" That certain something is "and is 155 cm (5 ft, 1 in) tall.[24]" Please, that is false information, and completely unconfirmed. Not to mention I personally find it very insulting, as a 165cm guy, so not only is this false information, but it's insulting and a mockery toward short people. If you aren't gonna respond to my first comment where I link several sources to debunk 155cm Mario as well as showing my math, then I have only few things to assume, either you don't care about short people's feelings and think this is a canon thing just cuz Matpat said so, or no one saw my last comment. Now don't get after me for being peeved when making this comment, ya didn't respond to the last in anyway, either show me an actually valid source that isn't the stupid statue, or get rid of that one quote. Please please please please please, It's soooooo annoying when people say Mario is 155cm, and the fact the freakin' Mario wiki is saying this, I'm not surprised, they got Larry's height way wrong, and I had to go in there and fix it and state that Larry is actually shorter than Mario and is in no way the same size as freakin' Peach, which was the dumbest oversight I've seen. I'm not trying to be mean or rude, I'm just peeved that "and is 155 cm (5ft, 1 in) tall." remains on Mario's page, and the fact I was never given any response for my last comment, what, you want to keep claiming Mario is 5 feet yet at the same time, you know my math and my sources probably debunk that by a landslide? Oh dear I really apologize about the anger on this...
GoldyFish110 (talk) 23? I think, I forgot to change the day so I guess I won't know, June 2019
First of all, if you feel insulted by a fictional character's height, yet you are taller yourself and people can actually be shorter, you might need to rethink something. People can be various heights, and Mario's 5'1" is certainly possible. There's nothing insulting here in the slightest.
Second, yes, the only source we have for that statement is a Kotaku article, which isn't the most credible source. Not only that, but the page being referenced is actually dead! If you can find something better, that would help.
Third, Mario is, again, a fictional character. His height fluctuates based on the game. Sonic is confirmed to be 3'3", yet Mario can stand about the same height in the Olympic Games. Even if he has a confirmed height or not, it doesn't really matter in terms of gameplay. 11:24, June 24, 2019 (EDT)
I agree with Alex95! It's subjective! --FanOfYoshi at 12:32, June 24, 2019 (EDT)
Well, 165cm is 5'05" and that is short, and yes, it's taller than 5'01" but how much taller? And it must be worse for people who are also full grown adults, but shorter than me, right, because of a certain reason, Honestly... I feel insulted by a fictional character's height being claimed to be over 5 feet because of how Mario was depicted next to realistic people, so this is why I feel insulted by that - and this - now look at that, say Mario is 5'01" and tell me that doesn't sound like an insult or jab at people who are below 6 feet tall, just look at that, my calculations with heads, and the two sources I sent and tell me they didn't at the very least retcon Mario somehow being 5 feet, he's like, a little taller than a freakin' hydrant for crying out loud. Also, how is Mario being 155cm possible? I don't get it, I did all the math I could, and he's never that tall, compare him to objects and he's always shorter than 5 feet, and actually, when you pay attention, Mario's height is surprisingly consistent... with not being 5 feet, but rather, around the 3 foot mark. And with the heads thing, measuring Mario how I was told to by one of the articles "I thought that we needed a scale that was easy to understand. Users will wonder how high Mario can jump and how far he can fall. We thought that it would be easier for users to understand and relate to the world in which they actually live. Mario is a strong enough character that he fits in just fine in a realistic environment." They said for measuring his jump height, but I use that for measuring his Mario height, I compare him to the realistic people, and the realistic people happen to be 7.05 heads tall when T-Posed, I'm 7.22 heads tall, and I'm 5'05" and because of this, I must be taller than the New Donkers, and my estimate is that they're about 5'03" and I got 92cm (3'00") for Mario's height given the size in heads of myself and the New Donker, I must be taller than the New Donker, while I don't think my measurements were super efficient given I was forced to use imperial measurements because I didn't have a metric measuring tape and I don't actually know anyone who is 7.05 heads tall, but at the very least it makes more sense than saying he's 5'01" cuz statue said so, at least, that's the only source I know of that say's he's 5'01" and even then, there is a "Life Size" Mario Plush that is 48 inches, Also, I'm insulted because I'm short, I'm classified as short, and so is 5'01" because 5'05" is only like, what, 4 inches taller, 10cm taller. So yes, I'm taller, but not much, and I'm still classified as short...
And well, about finding something better, I did find something better, but it doesn't really confirm Mario's height, it just confirms he isn't 5 feet, it was those two sources... And I apologize for making a large comment, I can't freaking stand this, and I really don't think there is any "confirmation" and if that article said anything, can you tell me who said the supposed height of Mario?
Okay EDIT: I took a look at the dead link's name (as in, hovered the mouse over it) and SIGH, that's just the "Life-Sized" Mario statue, and as I said before, "Life-Sized" Mario plush, and it's a completely different height, as far as I'm aware, Mario doesn't have an officially canon height, but is likely around 3 feet tall, as I calculated him to be 92cm tall.
GoldyFish110 (talk) 24 June 2019
I don't see how this is insulting, it's more supposed to be humorous. Mario's always been on the short side, but I don't really know why they went with realistic proportions for the New Donkers. Probably because of Pauline (it also resembles Sonic '06). The Mario world is weird, there's no real set canon height for anything.
As for where the claim initially came from... Only thing coming to mind is Game Theory. I don't know what the Kotaku article said, or if they had an official story. Searching "Mario's official height" in Google doesn't help, neither does Wikipedia. I'm leaving the dead link template next to the source anyway, in hopes it can be replaced or updated later.
I don't think 5'5" is short, I think that's pretty average. 14:30, June 24, 2019 (EDT)
Actually, one of the articles I sent explains why they went with the realistic proportions for the New Donkers, I'll link it again - https://gonintendo.com/stories/293589-super-mario-odyssey-director-explains-why-new-donk-city-takes-a-r and there is this source too, but it doesn't explain anything - https://gamerant.com/super-mario-odyssey-miyamoto-worry-new-donk-city/ where Miyamoto says "Where Mario is THIS Tall and Normal People are just a little bit taller" Though perhaps you aren't listening to them because they're bad sources? Tell me, do these sources seem valid? I decided to never go with Nintendo Life sources, however, because they tried to trick people into thinking the next Cuphead game was gonna be in an anime art style. And this - https://www.ebay.com/p/Nintendo-Licensed-Giant-Life-Size-Super-Mario-48-4ft-Plush-Doll-Toy-Very-RARE/2256117198 just sort of shows why it's a bad idea to go with the statue height thing, heheh. And to be honest, what I was thinking about when people say Mario is 5'01" and I look at New Donk City, I think about a Theadore Roosevelt political cartoon drawing where for some reason they depicted him as being way cartoonishly short, and I didn't find it funny. Also, I think my height, being 165cm, it is actually short, at least in America, where I lived all my life, until now (I'm Finally free) I was much shorter than everyone there, though I didn't look too much shorter or feel too much shorter, I was just short, and I mostly only ever compared to the girls in height, even then they were taller than me for the most part, oh, and American School was the same place the teacher showed me that political art, where everyone was taller than me and I noticed it much more, and the political art making fun of short heights, that got to me, and currently living in Czech, my height doesn't feel much different around people at stores and such, I still feel like a short stack. Also, I did my calculations, and this is my math I did - https://ibb.co/WKMm22j and to be honest, with no actual confirmation on the character's height, does the height really need to be on the page? It really isn't true as far as I'm aware, and I also had problems a while back with people claiming Larry Koopa was the same size as Princess Peach, arguing with the Larry Koopa fan who probably knew what he was talking about when saying that Larry is actually shorter than Mario, from what I calculated, Larry seems to be around 74cm, or 2'05" (with pixel measurements in the 3DS Mario and Luigi games given those are my favorite games and I gave up long ago trying to calculate every single height, and I only really need one Larry Koopa height for my fan game starring Larry given I want to put him next to anime characters who have confirmed heights of their own, I even got Ludwig's official voice actor from Mario Kart 8 in it, and it was cool), and yeah, about Game Theory, that made it worse actually, and it made me miserable for a while debating the height, because people would toss my calculations aside and tell me "YA DIDN'T EVEN TRY ONLY HATIN ON MATPAT CUZ NO ONE BUT MATPAT CAN DO MATH" "U RUSHED THAT CUZ MATPAT'S IQ OF 140 PROVES HE'S RIGHT ABOUT EVERY SINGLE THING OF ALL TIME AND UR POSSIBLE IQ OF 118 DOESN'T COMPARE" and so on, though I can tell them just because Matpat is smart doesn't mean he can't make a mistake, I even more than triple-check my work and they accuse me of rushing it, lol. I actually feel like I legit want to call Miyamoto on a phone or something and ask him myself how tall is Mario, just to end the debates, lol, though perhaps that's going too far, and I don't even know if Miyamoto can speak English. Though the rest of that stuff aside, the political cartoon, sometimes jokes are funny, but I don't see how this is, it's just saying "look, see that dwarf, he's 5 feet, just like you short people! hahahaha!" maybe they should make a tall person joke and say "he's over 6 feet tall" yet display him as around twice the normal people's sizes.
Yeah, interviews are proper sources. I don't believe the Game Theory (or any of the theories), but it's popular. See this for example. It gets around.
Anyway, your point is completely lost on me here in the midst of this large wall of text. I already agreed what we have on Mario's height is debatable, but I'd rather we find a new source that confirms something than outright remove the one we already have. New Donk isn't the first time Mario's stepped into realistic worlds, either; take the various episodes of The Super Mario Bros. Super Show and The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3.
Miyamoto knows some English, but not a lot. I think he can understand it, but can't really hold a conversation with it. 15:37, June 24, 2019 (EDT)
oh, I apologize for making it so large, heheh, though I think that if Mario doesn't have a confirmed height, why bother put his height on the page to begin with, heheh, is it really nessessary? and not to mention the dead link, it used the statue as the source (some vandalizer that watches Game Theory must have put it there if you don't know anything about it), and the statue can easily be proven to be a really bad source because of this - https://www.ebay.com/p/Nintendo-Licensed-Giant-Life-Size-Super-Mario-48-4ft-Plush-Doll-Toy-Very-RARE/2256117198 also, the TV shows aren't really canon, so I don't count them, heheh. And I did calculations using the two sources, this is what I got for Mario's accurate height - https://ibb.co/WKMm22j and I would like to ask Miyamoto if this is correct, heheh, and just simply that. Also, I became so obsessed with Mario character heights because of both Game Theory making a horrible theory on New Donk City and I'm making a fangame starring Larry Koopa, and I needed an actual height for Larry, given I'm going to put him next to anime characters with confirmed heights of their own, and he'd look bizarre at around 4 feet, not to mention I don't believe Mario is 5 feet to begin with, oh, and also, I managed to get Ludwig's official Mario Kart 8 voice actor in my fan game to voice Ludwig, and it was cool, and very fun. GoldyFish110 (talk) 24 June 2019
I'm not sure what's to get so worked up on a source. Maybe we should change the language to "Mario's height is suggested to be 5'1'' tall, but other sources have a disparity on the height, such as the comic of a guy smacking a small Mario around, Mario being really short to New Donkers, and Mario being more 'normal' in cartoon". Mario's height is similar to its relationship to Bowser's height, being wildly inconsistent. But what is established in official bios is that Mario is intended to be shorter than normal, such as the reference to "little Mario" in the original Donkey Kong, Mei Ling referring to Mario on "the short side", the cartoon bio calling him the "the shortest, chubbiest, most comedic-looking superhero ever to have his own show," and likely more that I missed, such as the "shorty" insults. Also, we don't dismiss sources for not being "canon", Mario has no canon, so official information should always be taken into account. Not arguing that the cartoon sources are the de facto information, but if they do list a specific height for him, we have to document it. Calculations in of themselves require a lot of assumptions to be made (such as when calculating a New Donker height) and you also had to ad hoc assumptions about the possibility of a statue being vandalized, which is not good thinking. The best way to go around, IMO, is to just apply Occam's Razor and document size disparities, rewrite the sentence that implies that Mario's height is confirmed 155cm and just way it's one of the few precise sources but most are ambiguous and inconsistent like Bowser's height in relation to Mario's. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 18:02, June 24, 2019 (EDT)
Okay, I apologize if I seemed too direct and mean, I really don't want to be, I just want to get my point across, just saying, you should still dismiss all "Life Size" Statues, figures, whatever, because as I've said before, there is a "Life Size" Mario Plush that stands at 4 Feet tall, and none of those statues seem to be the same height, heck, I even found a 4 foot Mario statue, a really old one, and it still says "Life Size" heheh. I think that "Life Size" in statues just means that it's a large size, like, Human-sized. And, while yes, I did have to assume the New Donker's heads were also roughly 9 inches, the assumption didn't inherently ruin the calculations, because while yes, the head size was assumed, but if they are around 7.05 heads tall, and I'm around 7.22 heads tall, and I'm 165cm, shouldn't the New Donker's NOT be taller than me? And 9 inches would be a very close head size for them when they have a very close height in heads to what I have. Given it takes less of their own head to make their full height, very slightly less of their own head than for me, but less of their own head nonetheless, and shouldn't their head size be a fraction smaller than my own if anything? My calculations would have been better if I knew someone just a little shorter than me with a height of 7.05 heads, but I mean, they aren't terrible, of course, I'm not asking to say Mario's height is what I calculated, because I'm aware that it is unconfirmed, I'm asking that Mario's height is removed entirely (and as I explained, the plush is also "Life Size" so Life Size in merch probably just means large sized and like a human in height)and if Mario's height is really something inconsistent, why have a height for him on the page? Ah well, I think I can edit this page now, probably because I was annoying about it (I apologize for being annoying about it, but thanks for granting me access to editing the page, I saw what was done there, the statue was swapped in for a different one that was close in size, but as I explained before, the plush, but is it okay if I just, remove Mario's height entirely, I really don't think that "Life Size" is meant to be taken literally, and is it okay if I just remove it myself now? I just wanna make sure I'm not doing anyone wrong by removing it) GoldyFish110 (talk) 25 June 2019
Mister Wu, I mean, if I said that if I made Larry 4 feet, it'll look bizarre, why would I make him 5 feet or bigger, that'll look worse, heheh, not trying to be rude or anything, just saying, and going "underboard" would not agree with official material, now would it. He mostly is shorter than Mario on average with most of his heights, so I'm just gonna say shorter than Mario, though it would be a great idea to calculate all his heights and figure out which one is the average, actually, then I'll change his height again in my fan game, I think Color Splash is the only exception to that rule actually (and the concept art, but he's smaller in the actual game), but that's Paper Larry, heheh, and Paper Jam pretty much established that the Paper characters are completely different from the regular characters, and even then, the sprite size is shorter, so I don't exactly know how tall Color Splash Larry is because Paper Mario decided to do me dirty by re-sizing the plane, lol. And if Mario doesn't have a truly canon height (which I agree with), why would I use a height that is around 5 feet? Just because there are statues around 5 feet? But there is a Plush that is around 4 feet. Yeah, Mario has no canon, but I still think there are standards, such as things that Nintendo have very little involvement with should not be included (this includes the cartoons) and you shouldn't take a statue height seriously. EDIT: Also, How is the height the least of my concern when I'm putting Larry next to anime characters with confirmed heights to begin with? I can't just slap 'im in there and put him at whatever random height he ends up being, I'll end up with inconsistency, and that's the last thing I'd want to deal with, heheh. GoldyFish110 (talk) 25 June 2019
And oh dear, I apologize for all this writing. GoldyFish110 (talk) 25 June 2019
See, you're making assumptions on how tall a New Donker is (no, seriously, you don't actually know how truly tall a New Donker is; relative sizes are only part of the picture) and then working on their proportions without knowing how tall they actually are. I think life-size isn't just large, it's supposed to be how Mario is sized in real life. If there are several officially licensed products disagreeing with each other, we should mention it in the article. Again, the entire point is to show that Mario's height is inconsistent, and the evidence provided reinforces that point more. My solution was to change the writing that's at odds with conflicting sources to be more line with the conflicting sources. Don't remove the source, add others and rewrite the section. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 14:39, June 25, 2019 (EDT)
Thing is, I have a T-posed model of the New Donker, so I wasn't just using screenshots, and I ripped the New Donker from a Gmod addon and I worked on their proportions and made an estimate (or an educated guess, I think) of how tall they are based on their size in heads, and my own size in head, it's not a perfect estimate, but I personally don't think it's that bad given the head size would have to be such a small difference. I also found two interviews, one where Yoshiaki Koizumi was interviewed, and one where Shigeru Miyamoto was interviewed, and Yoshiaki Koizumi flat out says that New Donk City was realistic because they thought it would be easier on the user to measure how high Mario can jump and how far he can fall when compared to the people that the users live around, implying that they definitely payed close attention to how tall they were making the people and their realistic proportions so that users can get an idea of how high Mario's jump is, and it isn't far off to use this for his own height, right, which is what I did, otherwise, if they just didn't care, slap Mario into the realistic world, then they probably wouldn't tell us to compare him to the realistic humans. Yes, Mario's height is usually inconsistent, and they usually don't care about how tall they make Mario, just as long as he fits, but this time, I think they did care, This time, I think they cared because they wanted to show off Mario's true abilities, I apologize if I sound rude or anything, I don't want to be. I should probably link some more new found sources of "Life Size" Mario's, heheh, since I found a bunch - https://www.ebay.com/itm/Deluxe-Super-Mario-Nintendo-Statue-Figur-1-1-Replica-Life-Size-ca-50-cm/113736739548?epid=1633578282&hash=item1a7b3ceadc:g:gJwAAOSwCkZZTNOD I also found this - https://www.ebay.com/itm/Giant-Life-Size-Super-Mario-Plush-Soft-Toy-Around-3ft-Tall-Jumbo-Gamer-Gift-NWT/143216777245?hash=item215862981d:g:zHwAAOSwRXhctOyN, and, I mean, I'm not the type who will completely emit all information that goes against me saying he's below 5 feet, I just don't think he's 5 feet or taller, but - https://www.ebay.com/itm/MARIO-MARIO-BROTHERS-65-Tall-Life-Size-CARDBOARD-CUTOUT-Standee/333126264095?hash=item4d8fdf651f:g:PTIAAOSwGFZck--B (And it's the most insulting height I've seen for Mario), it's the exact same height as myself (165cm) Though I did see the latest edit on the page, and thank you for acknowledging the 4 foot tall plush, but I guess since I'm found all this, and may find more, would it be okay if I just, put all the "Life Size" merch on the physical description, say "According to the height of his life-size figure, he is 150 cm (4 ft, 11 in) tall,[24] though other life-size merchandise depict Mario as shorter at 122 cm (4 feet tall)[source for the 4 foot tall plush], though it doesn't end there as there is also other life size merchandise that seem to imply all kinds of different heights, such as 50 cm (1 ft, 7.6in)[source of 50 cm figure] (Oh my gosh, this one's ridiculous, about as ridiculous as the 5 foot Marios, I mean, I believe he's under 5 feet and abnormally short, but not this short, heheh, I do have standards), 3 feet [source of the 3 foot tall plush] (Perfect, because 3 feet is 92 cm, and as I calculated...), 155cm [I'll try to find a new source for this](the most popular height, and I don't like it), and 65 inches (5 ft, 5 in)[source of cutout](ouch), Though official interviews seem to imply that New Donk City was made realistic so that players can measure Mario's abilities by comparison to the people they live around[source of the Why New Donk City took a realistic approach source I sent], even one debunking a popular fan theory [link to Super Mario Odyssey's GIANT Problem, by game theory] by implying that the New Donkers are "Normal People"[source of the Miyamoto was worried about how players would react to seeing New Donk City that I sent], which, in theory, should possibly put Mario at about 3 feet tall in Super Mario Odyssey." So, without all my comments, how's this? Eeeh, I just think adding that he is depicted as 50cm in a life size merch just isn't right, while saying he's over 5 feet is weird in my opinion, saying he's 50 cm is also so weird, and I can't stop questioning this. And I really feel like that source may come off as mocking, but I'm really not trying to be, and I apologize greatly if it does come off as mocking, I really am not trying to mock anyone, it's just, it says "Life Size" on it, and it's 50 cm, and ehhhh, okay I should stop typing, and I apologize for the lengthy comment... Oh, but about Smash Bros, I think no one is to scale compared to characters that are not from the same series, I mean, look at Kirby, he was confirmed to be 20cm (8 inches) yet he's not really tiny by comparison to other characters, and again, I apologize for the lengthy comment, should I make the edit as the quote I made, and any suggestions on wording things differently? GoldyFish110 (talk) 25 June 2019
Let's put it clearly: trying to find a common height from the games for your own works isMedia:SMG Talking to Captain Toad.pngpointlessMedia:Captain toad odyssey.jpg. The size of Mario and the others vary from game to game, you can't extrapolate some kind of "right" height, not even in relative terms. You just need to do what Nintendo does, adapting the height to what you are making so that it works best. Of course, you might want to use the official height chartsMedia:Mario 3DS chart.png and theMedia:Kansai Group Artwork.jpgartworkMedia:Nintendo JP Twitter million followers.jpg, but Nintendo couldn't care less about following these if they go against what they are doing (mostly, if they negatively affect gameplay or the animations). You absolutely need not to worry about this, it's a non-exisitng problem. As far as the main page is concerned, considering the great variability in the height of the life-size statues, that case was just one among many different ones that got picked up because of gaming journalism. If you really want to keep that kind of info, list the minimum height and maximum height found for those life-size figures, with references, but I wouldn't go beyond that, it would really clutter the page with what is basically trivia outside of the trivia section.--Mister Wu (talk) 21:19, June 25, 2019 (EDT)
Ok, I know this isn't the place to ask this but...
I'm new to this wiki, how do I create a page? Do I have to earn those rights? Please help.
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by KrazyKaos42212 (talk).
You will become autoconfirmed after you make 10 edits and have an account for at least 7 days. --Super Mario Fan 67 (T•C•S) 15:13, July 14, 2019 (EDT)
Re: Mario's Playschool
While searching for proof that the name was used as an alternate release name for Mario's Early Years! Preschool Fun, I thought of something: Would the international release having a different name count as a separate entry, or would it be possible to combine the entries somehow? --LordG.matters. 00:42, July 22, 2019 (EDT)
Especially in the past, it wasn't unusual that the Japanese names of the "Mario" games were different from the corresponding Western names (e.g. Yoshi's Road Hunting, Super Mario Collection, Mario Story, Mario & Luigi RPG), this alone didn't warrant a separate entry. If there are significant differences in terms of content, then I think a new entry can be considered.--Mister Wu (talk) 12:18, July 22, 2019 (EDT)
Flappy Bird
It is recommended to add his appearance in Flappy Bird. He only shows up when you get a score of 999. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gogogomario (talk).
He doesn't, that's from a fake video. MarioJC 21:18, February 15, 2020 (EST)
Yeah. The guy had just used Super Mario™ pipes and similar ground tiles which just annoyed Nintendo but had Dong Nguyen actually put Mario in the game Nintendo would've noticed since the game was a huge success and they would've sued and removed the game from the app store. I'manumber1 (talk) 17:32, December 7, 2021 (EST)
Religion
I recommend that we should add that Mario is a Muslim. Miyamoto specifically said that Mario was a Muslim when he was interviewed by the king of Saudi Arabia on his trip to Mecca. Please add this!!! — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 108.6.241.194 (talk).
Please provide a source for this claim. (T|C) 20:26, May 4, 2020 (EDT)
That is definitely just a stupid meme, but apparently he is ACTUALLY Christian, Jewish, and Muslim according to the Mario Quiz Cards. Grandet Omate (talk) 22:21, July 26, 2020 (EDT)
Wait I'm confused? Didn't Miyamoto say that Mario was "Homo Nintendous"? I'manumber1 (talk) 13:45, October 31, 2021 (EDT)
Mario's hair
Hey, um, I've been reading all this info, and this probably isn't a big deal, but I'm curious why in the section describing Mario's physical appearance it doesn't mention him gaining realistic hair in games starting with Super Mario Odyssey. It it because of how the level of detail to his har still is different between appearance, or is this just something that's never been brought up?--70.126.227.39 16:04, May 6, 2020 (EDT)
The thing is that Mario still has the exact same hairstyle, except now much more realistic in Odyssey. Then you come to the issue that Odyssey is actually the only game to have that level of detail in Mario's artwork. Mario Tennis Aces and Super Mario Party artwork gives Mario more detailed hair than normal, but nowhere near to Odyssey. Even that seems like it's mostly been dropped, with NSMBU Deluxe and Mario Maker 2 returning to the old level of detail. --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 17:46, May 6, 2020 (EDT)
Okay, in U Deluxe and Maker 2, that seems to be more of a case to keep consistent with the original games (or in Maker 2's case, the in-game models) than because it's been dropped, because Nintendo is still using the detailed hair in newer, marketing artwork and games like Tokyo 2020. But thank you for explaining why the information isn't listed in the wiki page, I've been curious on it for a while!--70.126.227.39 18:29, May 6, 2020 (EDT)
You're welcome - for what it's worth, Mario only has the somewhat more detailed hair in the artwork used on the game's cover but none of his other artwork for that game. --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 19:05, May 6, 2020 (EDT)
To be fair, SMM2 uses the same model he had in NSMBW, over 10 years ago. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:17, May 6, 2020 (EDT)
split.
jumpman is not mario — The preceding unsigned comment was added by FatYoshi (talk).
He absolutely is. The arcade flyer called him Mario, as did home port manuals. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:27, June 6, 2020 (EDT)
That's just Game Theory nonsense. Miyamoto confirmed that Jumpman is Mario. Always has been. I'manumber1 (talk) 13:48, October 31, 2021 (EDT)
Jumpman is the same guy as Mario. Gandalf (talk) 12:12, March 12, 2023
"Vulgar Tendencies"
Listen, there's just something that strikes me a little odd under the Personality section. There is a moderately long list of "vulgar" actions Mario has taken throughout his portrayals. These include urinating on Yoshi, passing gas, but smack dab in the middle of this list is "cross-dressing several times". Is this referring to his dress in Odyssey? This implies it's some kind of Super Mario Perversion or something and the way it's put right between farting and pissing is just kind of insulting. I know this will be written off as meaningless offence taken by something inconspicuous, but you have to admit the way it's put is insulting and can be taken as transphobic. Mario wears it like any other outfit, how exactly is that vulgar? It's not even displayed as a joke in-game, he's just doing it because he thinks it looks neat. I can't think of any other times he's been drawn in feminine clothing but they were probably just cliche guy-in-women's-clothing jokes, and I can't imagine they'd be canon. --75.185.75.178 21:57, July 26, 2020 (EDT)
I don't know what you’re trying to say, but there is this: [1]Grandet Omate (talk) 22:12, July 26, 2020 (EDT)
That one was unintentional. The actual reference is to the Kodansha Manga, which had him dressing as Sailor Moon characters while dirty jokes are going on, among other things. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:27, July 27, 2020 (EDT)
Okay that's great and all now go ahead and erase it please. I'd think more effort would be put into making this article more professional since it's about the mascot of the entire series but whatever 75.185.75.178 22:24, July 28, 2020 (EDT)
Mario's latest appearance
It says Mario's Most recent appearance was Paper Mario: The Origami King, But actually it was
Tetris 99 (TETRIS x Paper Mario: The Origami King event and cameo) (2020) — The preceding unsigned comment was added by PROPLAYEN (talk).
Technically Mario already appeared in the game through the SMB and Donkey Kong themes, so a second/third/etc. appearance in the same game doesn't count. MarioJC 02:54, August 2, 2020 (EDT)
Proposal to Add Citation to Mario#Personality
Towards the top of Personality's content (4.1), there's a missing citation. I'm requesting we cite an interview regarding Mario's 20th Anniversary, where Miyamoto provides the uncited information.
—How do you think Mario has become such a big phenomenon?
Miyamoto: I think it was fortuitous that we didn’t put any restrictions on Mario as a character. Normally when you create a character and present him to the world, all the details get filled in: what’s his favorite color? what kind of food does he like to eat? But with Mario, aside from the fact that he’s about 24-25 years old, we didn’t define anything else. The reason why is that we wanted to be able to use Mario in later games, and that wouldn’t work so well if he had characteristics that interfered with a given game’s story. When we make a game we take care not to add incongruencies to that game’s world. With that caveat in mind, I’d like to keep using Mario in future games.
Since I am still unable to edit Mario's page (I think I was told I had to make 10 edits or something before I could) I still think that "According to the height of his life-size figure, he is 150 cm (4 ft 11 in.) tall,[24] though other life-size merchandise depict Mario as shorter at 122 cm (4 ft) tall.[citation needed]" (as for citations on that, there are multiple - https://www.mercari.com/us/item/m40074925704/ and - https://www.ebay.com/i/163892265533?rt=nc&_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D20160908110712%26meid%3Dbc1e3505ec894f1e99e9ba8096433bc2%26pid%3D100677%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D30%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D193151746661%26itm%3D163892265533%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2386202%26algv%3DDefaultOrganic%26brand%3DNintendo and - https://www.ebay.com/i/193151746661?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28) should not be present on the page. (If you guys REALLY think it's worth taking literally and documenting, I'd say for the least false information spread, that you put it on trivia, or something, but I don't like when this wiki has something wrong, because then people keep spouting it over and over, like, I kept constantly hearing "Larry is the same size as Princess Peach" even though I've counted across multiple games that Larry is consistently always shorter than Mario, though how much shorter fluctuates) Because as I've said before, this is the Mario wiki, and it shouldn't be treating those statues like it's Mario's actual height, that's like saying the 3 foot Life Size Pooh Bear plush is Pooh Bear's canon height as well as the 48 inch Life Size cardboard cutout of Pooh Bear and the 60 inch Life Size cardboard cutout of Pooh Bear, and then claiming Pooh Bear's height is inconsistent and should not be accounted for (when someone needs Pooh Bear's height to actually have a scale for something that isn't up and down all over the place, like, I don't think the people here understand how that works in game development, you literally need a scale to work with for what I'm doing) for the reason of taking "Life Size" in all that literally. Especially when these - https://gonintendo.com/stories/293589-super-mario-odyssey-director-explains-why-new-donk-city-takes-a-r and - https://gamingbolt.com/super-mario-odyssey-miyamoto-was-worried-about-initial-reaction are much better sources, sure, they never reveal the exact number for Mario's height, but they imply that Mario is likely around the size of Sonic. (And they should be documented on this page) Obviously I'm not asking to document any of my calculations, since they are not official sources, but my calcs on New Donk City - https://ibb.co/RCmmMT4 and there is this, which flat out uses the centimeters in Origami King - https://twitter.com/LarryKoopaBest/status/1290236094911361024/photo/1) And as for Mario and Sonic models, at least the Tokyo 2020, I compared Mario to Sonic making Mario 103.3cm, which is very close to what I calculated with the Monster Fish of the Great Sea (Albeit the Monster Fish of the Great Sea was not a good source of measurement considering the Monster Fish of Shogan Studios using the same fish size and is labelled 300cm instead of 400cm, and the little ones are not to scale with each other, but it's just as bad a source as using the meter count to scale Mario's height, my calcs there are also badly measured too, since I didn't have any exacts to compare) I'm sorry for bothering you guys about this, it bothers me so much, and I guess I can't really let it go. (Due to covid19, I am even more unable to book a flight to Japan to ask Miyamoto what Mario's height is, and probably explain why it matters to me, lol) But the reason this continues to bother me is because of when this wiki spreads false information and people constantly flock to it. Mario's height was never revealed and there should be nothing but those interviews written about it, say, the following interviews with Kenta Motokura and Shigeru Miyamoto imply Mario is a pretty short person, or something... And yes, this bothers me partially because of my own height "Look at Mario, he's on the shorter end of 5 feet tall, just like you! Look at him next to those normal 6 foot people!" and I see Mario in New Donk City half the size of the people. But regardless of my own height, which people that aren't kids over 5 and a half feet couldn't possibly understand, the thing that bothers me more is the spread of misinformation and people constantly flocking to this and game theory when saying my calculations are bad, and I mean, they aren't perfect, but claiming they're terrible cuz I didn't say Mario is five feet cuz this and game theory bothers me so much. (GT mostly)
~ Goldyfish110
He has an "official" height, though. In the games, it's just as inconsistent as anyone else's, but his "base" height used for miscellaneous materials is relatively constant. Also, your message was long enough without going on a random tangent to Mr. Bear. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:26, November 5, 2020 (EST)
To be fair though, that life size adjective was very likely referring to the merchandise being near the height of the child owning it, not a statement that the merchandise is the exact size of Mario. I'd be fine with removing the information about Mario's "canonical" height in feet/centimeters.--Mister Wu (talk) 13:50, November 5, 2020 (EST)
Thank you, that's what I've been trying to say this whole time. They mean "Life Size" in that it is a big size almost the size of the child or whoever that it's made to be around, so it's "Life like" Also, Doc von Schemltwick, what is Mario's "official" height in games? I thought his height was never specified as any number. I do know they make him 1.53 units in Odyssey and 1.60 units in Smash 3DS, and then there are others I haven't specified, but Sonic is officially stated as 1 meter yet he's 1.50 units in Mario and Sonic, if I remember correctly. I also don't think the units should count as centimeters, and just using units for scale doesn't work with trying to scale Mario characters next to non-Mario characters, I'd rather scale non-Mario characters by comparison to Larry himself, who currently I have at a 78.7cm height in my game. However, if you need me to quote the interviews since I saw someone quoting an interview earlier.
Kenta Motokura (talking about New Donk City): I thought that we needed a scale that was easy to understand. Users will wonder how high Mario can jump and how far he can fall. We thought that it would be easier for users to understand and relate to the world in which they actually live. Mario is a strong enough character that he fits in just fine in a realistic environment.
Shigeru Miyamoto (talking about New Donk City): I was worried about how players would react to being in a world where Mario is this tall and normal people are a little bit taller. Or the fact that people don’t get mad at Mario when he’s jumping up and down all over the place. But with all that said, I think I realized that the character Pauline has already existed, and the idea of this game taking place in the city worked out really well. And so we ran with it.
I personally think the following interview answers have more validity as sources to them than the statues do.
When I said that, I was referring primarily to the materials Nintendo gives to third parties when said third parties develop games, like that one relative height chart. The "official height" and "in the games" were two separate thoughts. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:46, November 5, 2020 (EST)
Then again, that is only Mario characters by comparison to each other, and I guess they don't need any particular numbers to make Mario characters by comparison to each other, but Madoka has an officially listed height of 152cm and I was wanting to scale Larry Koopa by comparison to Madoka accurate to the both them. https://youtu.be/jJOEvjtOp3k?t=47 So I hope maybe this helps you understand why I am wanting Mario's height in number, however, the entire time I've been here, I'm really not wanting to debate Mario's height, considering I already have my idea, All I'm asking is that the "Life Size" isn't taken literally and be removed from the page, because it is spreading false information and people flock to it without second thought because I guess that's just how the masses work for some reason. (They kept doing this constantly with "Larry is the same size as Princess Peach" until I finally came in and edited it) And I don't think the meter counts or even the Monster Fish of the Great Sea had any thought for scale put into them (Mario and Sonic probably did, however, because of Bowser in Wreck-it Ralph, Miyamoto, I believe, asked that Bowser's height be changed in the Wreck-it Ralph scene he was in) they're just numbers to be displayed on the screen. And for games created by a team, I doubt the whole team knows what Mario's height is nor even cares. But since I'm doing LarryDS mostly alone, I care.--GoldyFish110 (talk) 15:15, November 5, 2020 (EST)
I already agreed to remove it last time you brought this up, if our only available sources are third-party whatevers, so I'm for doing it now. Not sure why it wasn't already. And, again, you seem to be taking this way too personally. He's also the about the same height as Sonic, who is 3'3". 16:38, November 5, 2020 (EST)
Oh yeah, there is that too, but literally all I'm asking is Mario's height (the statues) to be removed. Because the definition of life size in that case isn't literal. And to say Mario is around 5 feet tall doesn't make sense with the interview on why New Donk City was designed to be realistic. Those other things such as Mario and Sonic or Smash Bros or Mario Odyssey can all stay, but the statues should go due to not actually being literal. I'm trying to be as non personal as possible with this response, I hope I'm not being too personal just by saying the statues should go...
Nevermind this whole thing, I was just able to edit the page. I'm sorry for starting this up, I was just being stupid, lol, I guess I am an auto-confirmed user, but I swear it didn't let me save my changes earlier. I'm sorry for all the this conversation and kinda wasting everyone's time, lmao!--GoldyFish110 (talk) 17:15, November 5, 2020 (EST)
Those statues are not a valid reference. As I've said time after time again, Life Size, in this context, is not literal and does not mean the official true height of Mario. What they mean by Life Size is that the size that it is for it's target audience is Life Like in size as it is big, almost like the person that owns it. People are brainless, they're gonna see that number and talk as if it's absolute fact, just like the "Larry is the same size as Princess Peach" thing that came from this wiki, people told me, the Larry fan, that I'm wrong because this wiki said otherwise, despite the fact that what I said is in their faces. (regardless of the "Mario does not have a specified height" you added. I am not satisfied with the current revision. Like I said, if those statues (which Life Size means nothing in them) HAVE to be documented, I'd say trivia, and it should be done alongside every other "Life Size" Mario merch, carefully researched to show that the fluctuation is way bigger than that (Life Size 50cm Mario figure), where it's out of the way, because those statues are called "Life Size" because they're big sized, not because they're supposedly other heights for Mario, is the best place to put it. (I can't believe the Mario wiki can't seem to grasp this simple concept that "Life Size" in this context is not literal) There is so much varying sizes in merchandise that it is simply ridiculous to list all as sources for Mario's height and as "proof" that Mario doesn'thaveaconsistentheight. Sure Mario's height isn't super consistent, but "Life Size" merchandise is not a valid source ever, and does not serve as a source for what Mario's height is or how inconsistent Mario's height is, as it is really more consistent than anyone gives it credit for, and the interviews on New Donk City only add to that. How about at LEAST documenting the interviews, and put it right in the physical description saying it implies Mario's height is around the size of Sonic, because that is where the "Life Size" merch is documented, and obviously if I make another edit, then I'm doing something wrong, because statue good because statue say "Life Size" or something.--GoldyFish110 (talk) 20:09, November 5, 2020 (EST)
Out of curiosity, what does the description actually say? Does it specifically say Mario is 150 cm tall or is that just the height of the product? I think we should still mention it, but if the description doesn't actually say that's how tall Mario is, we should reword the description to reflect that. --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 13:00, November 6, 2020 (EST)
The description says "According to an Amazon listing for the height of his life-size figure, he is 150 cm (4 ft 11 in.) tall.[24]" implying that according to the statue, that is how tall Mario is. But I believe it should at least not say "he is 150cm tall" because people are gonna think that is how tall Mario is, and I've gotten into debates over whether or not Larry was the same size as Princess Peach because this wiki claimed he was, even though he is not. Especially with that kind of source, no one really knows if "Life Size" in that context is literal or not, but I'm pretty sure it isn't, and I think it's rather inappropriate to be assuming it's literal without knowing for sure, because people are going to automatically assume it's 100% factual. I also believe that this wiki really should document the twointerviews on New Donk City in the physical description saying that they imply Mario is around the size of Sonic or something, and according to Mario and Sonic, Mario is specifically 103.3cm (3ft 4inch tall) however, maybe I got that wrong. --GoldyFish110 (talk) 20:02, November 6, 2020 (EST)
Do I have permission to change this? I just want to make sure because it continues to bother me being on a wiki page...
Hi, is it okay that I change this
"While Mario is consistently portrayed as a short character, his precise height and proportions vary across media. According to an Amazon listing for the height of his life-size figure, he is 150 cm (4 ft 11 in.) tall.[27] Crossover artwork featuring Mario and Sonic the Hedgehog (who stands at 1 m / 3 ft 3 in.) shows Mario at around the same height as him, if not two or three inches shorter due to Sonic's quills. Mario's height relationship with other humans has been varied. Some media, such as Super Mario Odyssey and Mario's Time Machine, show Mario as much shorter than a realistic human, while others, including Mario Golf, the cartoons, and Super Smash Bros., show Mario's height closer relative to other humans. As far as in game information or other official materials are concerned, Mario does not have a specified height. "
Into this
"While Mario is consistently portrayed as a short character, his precise height and proportions vary across media. There is an amazon listing for a statue of Mario that is 150 cm (4 ft 11 in.) tall.[27] Although it says it's "Life Size" it is unclear if they mean it is just a big size by comparison to the buyer so it's life like or if it is actually meant to be Mario's height. Crossover artwork featuring Mario and Sonic the Hedgehog (who stands at 1 m / 3 ft 3 in.) shows Mario at around the same height as him, if not two or three inches shorter due to Sonic's quills. Although when models for Mario and Sonic at the Tokyo 2020 Olympic games are T-posed, Mario is a little bit taller than Sonic. Mario's height relationship with other humans has been varied. Some media, such as Super Mario Odyssey and Mario's Time Machine, show Mario as much shorter than a realistic human, while others, including Mario Golf, the cartoons, and Super Smash Bros., show Mario's height closer relative to other humans. While an interview with Odyssey's Director implies New Donk City was made for scaling Mario and his abilities while another interview with Miyamoto implies that the humans of New Donk City are normal people, this still does not directly confirm what Mario's height is, so as far as in game information or other official materials are concerned, Mario does not have a specified height. "
I know it's probably bothersome to the moderators and admin for me to ask this, but the Mario wiki REALLY can't be going around having information on their pages like the statue claiming to be directly confirmed as actual sources for Mario's height, and it also really should be documenting the interviews as they are actual sources that imply Mario's height, that's the way I see it. No, I'm not trying to be rude, no I'm not trying to be aggravated, no I'm not trying to be personal about it. --GoldyFish110 (talk) 01:12, November 12, 2020 (EST)
Think it's a good idea to condense plot summary
I've condensed the plot summary for Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga and I just linked for readers more interested in the plot to the main article. Does anyone find this a good way to trim the meat of these kinds of articles? Or should this go through a potential proposal process first? It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 02:14, November 26, 2020 (EST)
I've pretty much done the same thing in Baby Luigi's article, but without the main template. I really don't think you need every single nitty gritty involvement with the plot, just an overview of what they do, what their gameplay quirks are, and anything else. Ray Trace(T|C) 02:19, November 26, 2020 (EST)
Should this standardization be wiki wide? I can try to run through a proposal if that's needed. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 02:21, November 26, 2020 (EST)
It would definitely be helpful, for sure! GloverMist (talk) 14:22, November 26, 2020 (EST)
Agreed, we don't need to write every single thing a character does throughout the game, especially for major characters like Mario or Bowser who are obviously going to have a lot of information if we go that route. The plot section on the game's page should suffice. --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 14:29, November 26, 2020 (EST)
It is almost like rewriting the plot section of a game page. At best, there should be a brief mention of the plot and Mario's role, while mainly covering his abilities in said game (not going into too much detail about returning abilities however). Also, this page loads a lot slower than most other pages on this wiki. Nightwicked Bowser
Yeah, the page is a bandwidth hog. At some point, we're going to have to split off sections of their articles, Wikipedia-style, because at some point, it's going to be unsustainable to keep everything in one. Ray Trace(T|C) 14:43, November 26, 2020 (EST)
I think that's definitely going to have to happen for some of these characters at some point. There's more trimming on history sections that can be done to shorten it a little, but Mario obviously appears in nearly every piece of media related to the franchise and it's not going to be getting any smaller. --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 14:47, November 26, 2020 (EST)
(edit conflict) All right. One thing I want to do is make a template, though. In the Superstar Saga section, the content looks like this.
<span style="font-style:italic">For a complete plot summary, see the main article: [[Mario %26 Luigi: Superstar Saga#Story]]</span>
One of my issues is the possible repetitive links to the main page for the plot or if such a template is even needed (but I want to make it clear the plot has much more information in the main page). But yeah I think this does fall right in recommended by policy, so I hope I'm not, like, strong-arming whatever I think is appropriate through.😅
Also, splitting off the page has been suggested by policy itself, see MarioWiki:Article size. However, there's no specific process outlined above when a page gets too long, and the sheer overwhelming size of the page probably makes it a mammoth task, which is probably why there's a contradiction between that policy and these pages. I think the history section would be a contender to get split from the page, but this is an unprecedented move and might require a proposal. We don't have to suggest a specific byte size but there probably is a reasonable range to go through and we could at least show this and other major characters' articles as examples to judge by as well as visible impact on loading time they have. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 14:55, November 26, 2020 (EST)
I don't think that main template is necessary, since the section would already link to the main game article anyway. Ray Trace(T|C) 14:59, November 26, 2020 (EST)
I'm not sure if this edit seems like one that matters, but
Is it okay that I change "The director of Super Mario Odyssey, Kenta Motokura, stated in an interview that New Donk City was scaled to showcase the extent of Mario's abilities in a realistic environment" into "The director of Super Mario Odyssey, Kenta Motokura, stated in an interview that New Donk City was realistic to showcase the extent of Mario's abilities in a realistic environment for a scale that is easy to understand" I feel that my reworded version makes more sense with the interview, because it was the reason why New Donk City was made realistic, not the reason why they scaled the humans and the environment the way they did around Mario. I didn't think my OG interpretation seemed off as it feels similar to the current one, although the current one has better wording, but I feel my reworded thing I came up with is more accurate wording since the current one seems to make it look like they only made Mario short to showcase his abilities more realistically rather than the reason why they made New Donk City realistic was so they can showcase Mario's abilities with an easy to understand scale... All in all, I don't have much problems with the page anymore (other than the fact the statue is still there, however, the wording for referring to the statue is much better than it was before) just think it can be better, but regardless I'm glad the interviews are finally documented. --GoldyFish110 (talk) 20:48, November 29, 2020 (EST)
No one ever talks to me on here unless they have something to fault me for or say I'm in the wrong for and then they'll jump at the chance to tell me I'm wrong for whatever I said, Sorry to bother by asking this again, is my idea of re-wording the interview's part a better way to interpret it? I think it is because the interview didn't explain why they scaled it the way they did, they explained why New Donk City was made to be realistic. If I get no response again, I'll just make the edit and see what happens I guess... --GoldyFish110 (talk) 13:06, December 3, 2020 (EST)
I think it should be fine to change it. --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 14:10, December 3, 2020 (EST)
That's awesome, heheh, I just did, and thanks for letting me know, heheh. --GoldyFish110 (talk) 12:52, December 6, 2020 (EST)
I'll get back to you when I actually measure this at Super Nintendo World, but
I think Super Nintendo World is another source that puts Mario at a shorter than the typical human scale (plus, it's like a better version of the "Life Size" statue source, which I don't think meant literally, but this could be taken the same way) so for Mario's height being unspecified, I think Super Nintendo World could be documented. (I'd say whenever we have a definitive answer on how big the blocks are in Super Nintendo World, so probably not now, I want to go with a measuring tape, lmao!) --GoldyFish110 (talk) 02:39, December 19, 2020 (EST)
I edited the comment above to remove my Twitter link because I just realized this is probably why I'm getting so many people harassing me on Twitter over Mario supposedly being 155cm that Nintendo apparently confirmed it... Not saying the people who exist here are horrible, just people who happen to view the Mario wiki which is probably a lot of people... But while yeah, Super Nintendo World is probably a horrible source, so is the statue, using Super Nintendo World as a "source" is like using the statues... I'll add several imgbblinksinsteadforallI want to link on this wiki from now on, nothing from my Twitter anymore... I hope anyone understands my reasoning for that although I highly doubt anyone here cares, lmao! But I linked screenshots of the four foot plush and 50cm figure, the 50cm figure, although labelled "Life Size" is unrealistic, but does anyone want to document the four foot plush just for the heck of it since the 150cm (4'11") statue is on here? --GoldyFish110 (talk) 22:46, December 27, 2020 (EST)
New Apparence in a game
I cannot edit the page, but I want to say Mario and others Nintendo characters appears in Super Fighters M All Stars, released on mobile in 2020.
That's not an official game, that's an app that steals assets from Nintendo games without permission. MarioJC 07:30, December 27, 2020 (EST)
Vulgar Nonsense
Where the heck did anyone get that vulgar nonsense? Please provide some proof or it will be deleted. I'manumber1 (talk) 14:05, October 31, 2021 (EDT)
Just to be clear by the way I'm talking about the Satellaview magazine section as that's the only thing in this article that doesn't have official references or proof. I'manumber1 (talk) 14:12, October 31, 2021 (EDT)
No proof? Then it should be deleted immediately. I'manumber1 (talk) 19:39, November 10, 2021 (EST)
Don't think so, imo. This is like making the colored Luigis from Luigi's Mansion their own articles. Keep in mind that I'm also not quite fond of junior II's article either, memed as it may be. Ray Trace(T|C) 16:44, January 1, 2022 (EST)
Well this is different. All the Luigi's don't have names. These two do. I don't know if that makes much of a difference but I just wanted to get that out there. I'manumber1 (talk) 19:32, January 1, 2022 (EST)
I agree with Ray Trace, they look like they were just created to be palette swaps for additional players which would be too minor of a subject to have an article for. Nightwicked Bowser 19:59, January 1, 2022 (EST)
Is the Mario page still not well put together?
So i was scrolling throught the disscusion page on Mario and while scrolling i noticed quite few people saying that the Mario page was not "great". Like for example the history page having tons of grammatical errors. Now of course these disscusions are sort of old but anyways, is the Mario page fixed now or does it still have errors?
I mean... I did notice ONE error, that being how on the appearence page, Mario Party Superstars is not present — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shadic 34 (talk).
I've probably given the history section quite a few proofreading sweeps over my long stay at this wiki. I don't think the grammar errors are as present as before, and the most constant pressing issue for this page is the history section: mammoth coverage that's likely not complete as well as some unnecessary story details from the MaRPGs. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 20:00, January 19, 2022 (EST)
Jumpman only in Japanese Donkey Kong?
If I remember correctly, Mario is only called Jumpman in official Donkey Kong arcade cabinets and ports in Japan. Should the article be changed to reflect this? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 136.56.161.47 (talk).
No, Jumpman was used only in the English language arcade instructions (and its Arcade Archives re-release instructions). They were printed before he was officially named "Mario" in the American arcade flyer. In the Japanese arcade instructions, he is a nameless player character simply known as the "player"「プレイヤ」. He was still the nameless "rescue man" in the Japanese instructions for the Game & Watch version which came out in June 1982. Two months later, Nintendo of Japan used Mario when they released Donkey Kong Jr., which made it official in all locations.--Platform (talk) 08:55, November 9, 2022 (EST)
"The section then remains on the original article, the {{main}} template is used to link to the new article, and a much more top-level summary is given in that section of the original article. For example, summarizing the "History" section of Mario to give a much more top-level overview and using {{main}} to link to a new page entitled "History of Mario". "
Shouldn't we be making an article titled History of Mario? It's spelled right there in our example! It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 01:00, November 11, 2022 (EST)
It's about time that we started splitting off these massive history sections, let's do it. --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 18:40, January 27, 2023 (EST)
Support! -- KOOPACONCARNE 18:51, January 27, 2023 (EST)
All right. What do you think should be changed for this new page? Maybe readd the images I removed back? Maybe we can have more plot details? It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 19:04, January 27, 2023 (EST)
Something closer to pre-trim is probably the way to go, since that information was only reduced in the first place because of the article's length. I still think we should be more selective with images though, since there can be a tendency to go overboard with them which just doesn't look nice if there's not enough text there. --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 19:08, January 27, 2023 (EST)
Proper Catchphrase for Mario
I believe that a more proper catchphrase at the top of the page would be "Let's-a go!" from Super Mario 64. Mario uses this phrase way more often, and I don't remember Mario ever saying "It's-a me" outside of Super Mario 64 releases. But what do you guys think? TomAndTheCats (talk) 17:52, February 2, 2023 (EST)
Mario says "It's-a me" in Battle League, one of the latest Mario games. He also says "It's-a me, Mario" or "It's-a me" in Mario Tennis 64, Mario Teaches Typing 2, Mario Super Sluggers (when calling to plants), Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour, and when he gets a Double Cherry in Super Mario 3D World! Wario even riffs on it saying "It's a Wii, Wario" for a Wii-related WarioWare game. That's likely not an exhaustive list but "It's-a me, Mario" is uniquely Mario; a lot of other characters do say "Let's go". That's not to say "Let's-a go" is a bad choice, but I just think "It's-a me" is better. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 22:14, February 2, 2023 (EST)
Early sources for Mario's occupations
An overwhelming amount of Japanese websites believe Mario became established as a plumber in the 1993 American live-action film. According to them, the character's occupation simply varied from game to game and he was more of a generic everyman hero before the movie. So I went over a lot of the early official materials in Japanese and English. In Japan, Donkey Kong for the arcade had a threadbare description. The anonymous player character needs to rescue Lady from Kong. That's it. It was the American flyer that presented Mario his name and occupation as a carpenter. While the Famicom port uses Mario's name, there is no mention of him being a carpenter. The Japanese weren't aware he was ever a carpenter until much later through staff interviews.
Contrary to popular belief, Mario Bros. did not make him a plumber. The brothers are simply removing pests from their home's pipes. Mario was still described as a carpenter in Atari's MB manuals. The closest reference is in the back of the 1986 NES port's box which describes them as "plumbing", but does not explicitly state that it is their profession. It seems more of a case of home repair than paid labor.
The earliest source I could find is not in a game but from official media. The American Super Show! from 1989 unambiguously makes the brothers professional plumbers with their own company. This explains the crux of the divide. While Japan and the US share the same corpus of mainline games, official media is almost entirely segregated. Japan has its anime and manga, while the US has its comics, cartoons, and activity books which were exported to many countries but not to Japan. The characters' personalities are markedly different from each side of the Pacific. In the West, the heroes are sanitized E for Everyone but in Japan they can be crass and vulgar. For example, manga Peach can get extremely violent, jealous, and petty. This can be witnessed in the audio drama of BS Super Mario USA and Collection. The 1993 film was one of the few instances that crossed the cultural gap and introduced the concept that they are professional plumbers to Japan.
If you can find an earlier source stating Mario as a plumber, please let us know.--Platform (talk) 13:37, April 22, 2023 (EDT)
Is there any promotional material that says anything relevant? It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 14:03, April 22, 2023 (EDT)
There was a promotional interview released for Odyssey that brings up "plumber" as one of Mario's professions if that counts. Plus, them removing pests from their home's pipes was made up for the Atari version. An interview with Shigeru Miyamoto explicitly sets the game within New York's plumbing system. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 09:20, May 10, 2023 (EDT)
I see. I know that later material does more firmly establish this fact, but I was wondering how early the whole "Mario is a plumber" part happened. The discussion above suggests that the film is first to establish this, so I was asking for any material that possibly predates this movie claiming that. Mario is a plumber rather than just every day hero. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 22:43, May 10, 2023 (EDT)
I'm not sure, honestly. I think it was one of those things the American translators came up with (given it was established as early as Mario Bros.) and Japan decided to adopt later. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 11:02, May 11, 2023 (EDT)
Now with Mario, I think with Mario Bros. we had a setting of course that was underground, so I just decided Mario is a plumber. Let’s put him in New York and he can be Italian.
So, according to Miyamoto, Mario was indeed intended to be a plumber in Mario Bros..—-Mister Wu (talk) 10:11, May 14, 2023 (EDT)
That's besides the point. While Mario was intended to be a plumber during the development of MB, if nothing was published to the general public (that I'm aware of), no one would know what his job was. Atari still called him a carpenter in their MB ports. What I'm looking for is the earliest official sources stating that he is a plumber to the public. So far, I've pushed it back to mid-'89.--Platform (talk) 11:11, May 14, 2023 (EDT)
Mario's Species
I thought Mario's species was confirmed to be "Homo Nintendous", why is it labeled as human? I'manumber1 (talk) 03:29, June 8, 2023 (EDT)
Do you have a source for that? He's referred to as a human in the movie at least, can't remember other exact instances. Nightwicked Bowser 04:15, June 8, 2023 (EDT)
"Homo Nintendous" was a one-off joke from a non-retail character manual from the late 80s-early 90s, not a serious indication that he wasn't a human. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 07:01, June 8, 2023 (EDT)
Oh, it was just a joke, well-then I guess he should continue to be called Human then. I'manumber1 (talk) 16:28, June 8, 2023 (EDT)
Mario's species is Mario It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 17:16, June 8, 2023 (EDT)
New Image
Should we update the character image with the file:///MarioSMBW.png one? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Violetmushroom (talk).
We'll do that when the game releases. Nightwicked Bowser 21:20, October 13, 2023 (EDT)
Okay, but which one? The one I mentioned above of him holding the wonder flower, or the one of him jumping? I’m thinking we should use the latter for the Super Mario (form) page. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Violetmushroom (talk).
So I was editing pages, as one does, and I realize that I accidentally added a page to the meta category "articles with too many about links." I fix it, realise the Dash page is in said category, suggest to add a disambiguation page for that, the page is created, all is well. But then I realized that this article was on the page. Not good.
Now, I know it was removed from that meta category, but this article still fits said criteria. Such is why I propose the idea of making a Mario disambiguation page: include the links to Super Mario (franchise), Mario (film character), Baby Mario and the character from The Super Mario Bros. Movie, if he ever gets added or not. That way, we can have the disambiguation page, and keep the "'Jumpman' redirects here" section, as the criteria for the meta category is to have more than 3 about links. --JoeCool (talk) 12:42, October 16, 2023 (EDT)
Is the Super Mario Bros. Movie set in the same world as the games?
Because on Mario's page it uses Mario reuniting with Luigi in the movie as an example of their family bond. Isn't the movie set in a different canon than the games? And yes, I'm aware the Mario series doesn't have an official canon. I think. -- FanOfRosalina2007 (talk) 14:18, November 12, 2023 (EST)
You answered your own question. There is no canon, so everything "is canon", meaning the wiki treats the Mario movie the same way it treats any other Mario media. -- KOOPACONCARNE 15:21, November 12, 2023 (EST)
Yeah, so if the movie shows an example, we document it. How we decide to cover it is dependent on how illustrative it is. The movie's entire plot is based on Mario's rescuing Luigi so I think it's a good example to support a summary of their relationship. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 15:40, November 12, 2023 (EST)
Oh, okay! For some reason I didn't realize that. Good to know! -- FanOfRosalina2007 (talk) 22:22, November 12, 2023 (EST)
Role Section
I was thinking about adding a role section to the "List of game appearances" section that indicates what role he played in each game, like as a playable character or an antagonist or a non-playable character or a protagonist and stuff like that. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wonderman23 (talk).
I encourage it! The list of game appearances needs an overhaul to fit other character pages, see Princess Daisy. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 17:41, December 2, 2023 (EST)
I'm seeing the edits. Thank you very much for working on it. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 17:53, December 2, 2023 (EST)
Add rowspanning to the List of appearances section?
Should I add rowspanning to the table in List of appearances? So many rows have the same text so it would make the table look more organized.
Here's an example of what I'm talking about:
Header text
Header text
Header text
Example
Example
Example
Example
Example
Example
Would this be worth doing, or is the section fine how it currently is? Yours truly, RetroNintendo2008. 07:23, December 3, 2023 (EST)
No, I don't recommend rowspanning. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 21:38, December 4, 2023 (EST)
Category:Parents
So, there's this manga where Mario has a descendant named "Ima no Mario" and that means that Mario is a parent. And also, in that manga they mention that Luigi has descendants too. So, shouldn't they be put in Category:Parents? Just sayin'... Weegie baby (talk)
... That sounds a little freaky, but truth be told, the wiki observes other wacky manga stuff. I think it should... maybe??? Wonder Time!
Great, then it's settled: Mario, Luigi and Peach (I found out she has descendance in another manga) are in Category:Parents from now on! And don't forget to sign with ~~~~~ after your sig. Like, just write ~~~~~ after it and the date of your edit will appear. Weegie baby (talk) 10:26, November 9, 2024 (EST)
Regarding Mario's game appearances
Hi, I can't edit this page possibly because of the 10 edits rule but I'll post this here for those who can.
In the game appearances section of Mario, there are things that needs to be tweaked and added, more specifically the year 1999.
1. Mario Party 2 should be placed at the end of that year as it was the last 1999 Mario game to be released, releasing 6 days after Mario Artist: Paint Studio on 17th of December.
2. Add Donkey Kong 64 to the list as you get to play the original 1981 in the game and even plays a major part to get golden banana that is used to progress in the game, thus making Mario one of the playable characters (well, only in that section specifically). Place it after Mario Golf (Game Boy Color) and before Mario Artist: Paint Studio, as DK64 was released in November of that year between these two games.
Thank you for reading
Jaccblacc203 (talk) 07:57, October 25, 2024 (EDT)
Why doesn’t the main character of the franchise have a trivia section?
Seriously wtf? There’s more obscure Mario trivia than there is for any other character in the series! Him not having a trivia section is criminal!
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thekingdomofwah (talk).
Trivia sections are generally for information that is relevant, yet not really suited for any particular section within the article. Perhaps there just isn't any random information to warrant a trivia section. Sure, sounds unlikely, but guess it's just packed in well enough. Tails777 Talk to me!17:51, November 27, 2024 (EST)
Might also be scattered across different pages (say, specific games and what not). Technetium (talk) 17:53, November 27, 2024 (EST)
I always have the opinion that trivia sections are to be avoided at all costs. Ray Trace(T|C) 20:51, November 27, 2024 (EST)
Mario's height
See the first argument that appears here and tell me your thoughts. Weegie baby (talk) 14:47, December 24, 2024 (EST)
The first argument has no source backing it up, so it is irrelevant. The other arguments are using in-game measurements and model data, making them not suitable for the Mario Wiki. That page is only a theory and should remain as such. — Lady Sophie(T|C) 14:56, December 24, 2024 (EST)
Yeah that wiki is host to wild speculation such as this one[2], claiming itself to be "high consensus", that tries to measure the chemical composition of the sun in a video game game skybox to be 73.46% hydrogen by using a photo filter and matching the color of it to the emission spectrum of hydrogen. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 15:39, December 24, 2024 (EST)
In my defense (as one of the contributors to that community), "high consensus" is specifically within our community, and that wiki itself is very outdated, especially regarding some of those pages. I personally disagree with the one you mentioned for example, but that's neither here nor there.— Lady Sophie(T|C) 16:23, December 24, 2024 (EST)
Yes I figured that statement wasn't an actual endorsement by the editors, but to the unitiated, it's not as easy to ascertain. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk)
Ah, sorry to bother you at such a late hour. D: I'm all right; high school's nice, almost the end of my freshman year. It's been fast, actually. :o Bean 01:19, 11 May 2011 (EDT) Hope to talk to ya soon. By the way, do you or your bros have Skypes or Steam accounts? Bean 01:19, 11 May 2011 (EDT)
Mario Kart Wii Character Select Icons
Hey MC, do you mind if you could put all the currently uploaded icons of MKW and put them in Gallery:Mario Kart Wii?--UM3000
Hello, the subpage you have for userboxes is not allowed per the new userspace policy. You need to merge it to your main userpage. Thanks.--Knife (talk) 10:59, 19 February 2012 (EST)
Friend request
Hey there Master crash I am also a fellow christian and I was wondering if you woul like to be friends if so include your friend code and contact me at user:meeper thanks:)
so....
do you want to be friends? user:meeper
my forum account
A while ago (around the time I made my last contribution to my userpage) all my accounts logged out, including for the forum. I figured that asking a forum admin would be a good way to get my account back. My display name is "Allan" on the forums. My username is "The Cosmic Vin" (as long as I'm here, can you change that to Vinnie?) Vinnie
Friends
Hi, i'm User:SombreroGuy. Want to be friends? copy my user box , then i can copy yours!
Remember that when you create user sub-pages (like a talk archive), you have to add a link to them somewhere on your user or talk page. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 11:59, 24 December 2007 (EST)
When you want to delete articles or merge them with others, provide reasons. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 12:03, 24 December 2007 (EST)
Just a friendly reminder
Before you process to merge an article with another one (Like you did with Ax), I think you should first discusss on the concerned article talkpage, not everyone might agree with you and it will avoid the sysops pointless deleting work that could have be easily avoid with a discussion. If another user disagree, but you still think your stance is valid, you can run a Proposal to see what the community point of view is.
Blitzwing
"Point of view" was only a way of speaking. If you make a proposal about the merge, users will vote on it. If at least 3 users support your proposal and that there is not an equal/superior number of users opposing it, the article will be merged after the proposal pass. If the opposite happen, well, the article won't be merged.
Blitzwing, understand?
Hello. Knife suited me better, right?Knife (talk) 12:36, 24 December 2007 (EST)
Impersonation
Thanks for impersonating me on Userpedia today! But CheckUser tells no lies. Wa TC@Y 15:52, 3 January 2008 (EST)
Dummmmmmy, you should've just left me alone when I added you to my enemy's list. Besides, you have a lot others, like I dared to tramp you -_-' User:Crypt raider/sig
Warning
This is a warning to stop your inappropriate behavior (Flaming other users) on the Super Mario Wiki. Please adhere to the rules or you will be blocked from editing this site. If you feel this warning was undeserved, you may appeal it.
You ever heard of making a new e-mail account -_-' GrodenETCEl
This is your last warning. The next time you break the rules in any way, you will be blocked from editing the Super Mario Wiki. If you feel this last warning was undeserved, you may appeal it.
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Plus, I'm only 3 years younger -_- User:Crypt raider/sig And my bro's e-mail is sony_sgea_nintendo@yahoo.com you happy? He won't give a rat's hat about be flamed, because they're always in our spam folder.
You know, I wasn't being a coward, I don't want to be annoyed. And why do you vandilize random sites? It's not cool. And I have a userbox for you, on my userpage. I think you should add it to your userpage/ GrodenETCEl
I'm...I'm sorry I hated you so much. I didn't know you had autism. My brother has it. But I think it's a different kind. So I just wanted to apoligize. GrodenETCEl
That's what my bro has! GrodenETCEl is being st00pid right now
Can you please chill out? I don't hate you. HyperToad
you have asperger's syndrome?
cool! me too Bigger sid 11:20, 23 February 2008 (EST)
its true. you would enjot [6] because its an asperger's community.--RapidRocker Brawl FC:4296-2708-0195 17:58, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
hi
hey isn't your user account InuYashaZero --User:Hemu/sig
Moved Talk Archives
I moved your talk archives because you were Dummmmmmy, and then now you're RapidRocker.
This user has been blocked for over four years... MasterR.O.B.
"However if a baby Waluigi doesnt appear soon, it will be clear cut proof that Waluigi is indeed Foreman Spike."
And this is logical . . . how? Sure, they have the same nose, but, one look and you can tell they're not the same. Waluigi's a skinny, tall guy. Foreman Spike is this fat slob.
Waluigi Freak 99 17:40, 28 August 2006 (EDT)
well waluigi has many references to foreman spike like Mario kart ds when he has a truck that looks like his and ddr Mario mix his theme is from wrecking crew-rickmaster
Collaboration (10/28 to 11/11)
Talk about anything with other users working on the collaboration here. :) Wa TC@Y 23:15, 28 October 2006 (EDT)
Quote
We should cite where the quote came from, right by the speaker's name (just like in the Bowser article). -- Son of Suns
Wario World's inside handbook, You guys know how he talks in his guides WarioLoaf (talk)
Images
No offense, but I think there are a bit too many images than the article needs here. -- Sir Grodus
That's the gallery. I can clean the article images, though. WarioLoaf (talk)
Daisy has too much images as well. I say all of the Big Eight character shoulds get a giant gallery. PaperJorge
I'm not sure if a gallery of images is legal. Images are supposed to be used to enhance the information in the article, to provide a visual representation to help our understanding. There must be commentary. I believe a bunch of images in a gallery is a violation of copyright law. -- Son of Suns
Untrue, my uncle's an atterny. He knows the inns and outs of Copyrights. This Wiki is based off of hundreds of Copy righted characters (Mario, Wario , Luigi, Boo, ect). The Gallerey represents the various looks of the Purple Plumber for the last decade or so. It's nothing illegal. WarioLoaf (talk)
For once, SoS, I think you're in the wrong here. Galleries give readers even more insight on, in this case, Wario's appearances and roles in the different variety of games he's included in. A gallery like this should be done for all of the Big Eight. Wa TC@Y 22:21, 8 December 2006 (EST)
I agree with Warioloaf and Wayoshi. You are wrong SoS. O_o First time you're wrong right? PaperJorge
To tell everyone, yes all the big eight is GONNA GET A GALLERY. just I've been real busy with the Piantas, Mario sunshine, and Mario Kart stuff WarioLoaf (talk)
I'm justing getting my info from the wiki's character image policy: This image is an illustration of a character in a video game, comic book, or animated television program or film. The copyright for it is most likely owned by either the publisher/producer and/or artist(s) producing the work in question. It is believed that the use of low-resolution images of character artwork for commentary on the character in question qualifies as fair use under United States copyright law. See Wikipedia:Fair use for more information. If we can legitimately argue that the image is being used for commentary on the character, then we can keep the gallery. However, does a gallery provide commentary? -- Son of Suns
It comments on how the character is presented in other games and in which games the character appears in. Wa TC@Y 17:23, 10 December 2006 (EST)
Same here, dude. It practicly shows Wario's carreir turn-about. From Hard hat and long sleeves to Bowler cap and short sleeves. let it go. WarioLoaf (talk)
Okay. Cool. Just wanted to make sure everyone was aware of the copyright policy and that the community feels we are obeying that policy. -- Son of Suns
Well, it was a responsible thing you brought it up :) WarioLoaf (talk)
You keep saying that I am a great member in this community, but you never credit yourself. This was a good argument to bring up. ^_^ Wa TC@Y 18:04, 10 December 2006 (EST)
I've copied down the information from Wario's trophy in SSB:M. Where should I put it? Usually, I'd just put it where ever I felt like, but since this is a Big Eight article, I thought I'd ask first. Wanderingshadow 12:02, 19 December 2006 (EST)
You need to create a new section in Games for the SSB series. Then, put it. It's a good thing that you asked this time. Wa TC@Y 15:04, 19 December 2006 (EST)
Plus, no matter if it's a Big Eight Article, put the info down and we can work to fit it in with the pattern of images and such WarioLoaf (talk)
Vote for quote
As the title says, this is a vote to decide the main quote. --KPH2293 16:34, 1 February 2007 (EST)
“So admit it..... Don't I look cool in the game screens? Those long, muscular legs on my sturdy toned frame.... I'm the perfect specimen of a man..... What!?!? You say I look fat and my quadruple chin looks like a waterfall of flab? Shut up! That's just because you have your television set up on widescreen display!”
I'm all for lenghy quotes. ;D This one's more original, and shows off who Wario is. I prefer it. :) (And, I only just got why Quote #1 was funny. xD It's-a Lii! Luigi hc! See, not original. ;P) ~Luigihc
Please bring up any other comments on the FA Nomination Page
Quality of writing is low.
Grammar needs major work.
Need to figure out if Wario hired Tatanga to kidnap Daisy.
We need to detail Wario’s battles in Super Mario Land 2.
Game sections in the biography can be expanded and clarified. What are some of the gameplay mechanics related to Wario, what’s the story, etc. Settings and items need to be clarified: where did Wario go in Wario Land II?; what kind of statue did Wario acquire in Wario Land? The Wario Land 4 section does not even name the Final Boss! There are just too many holes in the biographies. It needs a major rewriting.
Wario World section needs to be greatly expanded, as well as WarioWare titles (some are not even named).
“You”s need to be removed.
Powers and abilities can be expanded.
Key Relationships should be expanded (such as Mario and Waluigi) while others (like DK, Bowser, Peach, etc.) should be removed.
Ditto. It needs a lot of cleanup and has a lot of misspellings... which I corrected here. This isn't good enough to be featured yet. --TheYellowDart—(T/C) 20:13, 7 April 2007 (EDT)
And too many images. It sandwiches text, a lot of these images are extraneous, and it's too hard on 56kers. - A Link to the Past 00:53, 10 May 2007 (EDT)
May I also add that most of the images lack both a source and an explanation as to why they are necessary? For instance, the Wario Blast one - I see nothing to say why it can be used or why it needs to be used, and even though it obviously came from somewhere, its origin is a mystery. - A Link to the Past 00:56, 10 May 2007 (EDT)
They are there to give an image description to readers who are more visual learners. Plumber
And they lack source and any good reason why we need those exact images. Oh, wow, the Wario Blast image tells the reader that... um, Wario looks exactly the same as he usually does. Very informative. Excessive image count + no reason for many of the images + no source for the images (which is implied as claiming ownership of the images) = remove many of the images. - A Link to the Past 04:28, 11 May 2007 (EDT)
Please bring up any other comments on the FA Nomination Page
No voting was really needed, we use the current main artwork as main images anyway. --WarioLoaf (talk) 21:46, 9 June 2007 (EDT)
SSBB Pics
Does anyone think that we have too many SSBB Pics of Wario on this page? I think we should only have one pic of him in SSBB (Excluding Official Art). Anyone else think so? My Bloody Valentine
I would also like to point out my comment at Princess Daisy regarding Notable Screenshots sections. Because not all screenshots are notable. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 04:17, 22 August 2007 (EDT)
Mario and Wario, cousins?
When I fist joined I read the Wario article. It said that Wario and Mario were cousins, and it was confirmed by NOE. Now I can't see this info anymore. Was it true? Why did it got deleted? ShroobyThe Wario fan here wanna know.
-sigh- Oh boy. Mario and Wario were cousins in a nintendo power comic. This may have been removed because the comics aren't canon, but Mario barely has an understandable canon, so who knows whats canon or not. Canon should just be shot from a cannon. |:(
Why has the top quote been changed to a much shorter one? Before the change, there was a much longer quote, which was even voted for on this talk page. The long one really tells more about Wario's character than the current one. --Grandy02 09:20, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
Plumber?
Has it ever been explicitly stated that Wario's a plumber? Or are people just assuming he is because he's Mario's "evil twin"-type rival, and dresses like Mario (wearing overalls does not make you a plumber). Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall Wario ever doing anything plumbing-related... - Walkazo 19:59, 22 December 2008 (EST)
Not to the best of my knowledge. Perhaps people are thinking of his "appearance" in "Plumbers Academy," where a character slightly resembling him was going to school to be a plumber, but even if that was Wario, that doesn't prove that he IS a plumber. Stumpers! 18:59, 23 December 2008 (EST)
Okay, that's what I figured too (dunno why I didn't mention "Plumbers Academy" in my first post, though). Anyway, thanks for your imput! - Walkazo 19:27, 23 December 2008 (EST)
Image
The image that was shown as MP5 (until I corrected it) is actually from MP4. Could someone please get an image from MP5? Transcript 00:47, 8 February 2009 (EST)
quote change
The quote has been changed.... Was this decided anyware? I personally think the last one showed more about the character of wario, and this ones way too long. Should I change it back? LuigfreakMai talk
Creator of Wario
As much as I admire the work of Gunpei Yokoi, but where was it stated that he created Wario (plus Daisy and Pit)? He was the producer of SML2, but this doesn't mean he created Wario, the Samus character was also not created by Yokoi, even if he produced the original Metroid. --Grandy02 09:13, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
I'm not sure if IGN is a reputable source, but according to them, Hiroji Kiyotake designed Wario (Second paragraph, second sentence). --Knife (talk) 16:42, 16 October 2009 (EDT)
In most cases IGN is reputable I think. But what you mentioned is already known for sure. In the article on Hiroji Kiyotake, the staff credits of WarioWare, Inc. are cited, which list his name under "Original Wario Design." However, my question is about the creator, who is not necessary also the character's designer. The article says Gunpei Yokoi, but I haven't found a reliable source. If there isn't any, we have to live with the fact that the name of the creator of Wario, Daisy and Pit has just not been confirmed so far. --Grandy02 17:15, 16 October 2009 (EDT)
What makes you the creator of Wario, then? --Zelderu Maryoto 21:37, 19 December 2009 (EDT)
Basically the person who thought up Wario. The designer, Kiyotake in this case, is not necessarily the creator, as he could also have made a character design based on the more or less detailed instructions of the character's creator, whoever that was. --Grandy02 14:49, 27 January 2010 (EST)
Wario Waft
In Brawl, is that affected by eating food? Purplebackpack89 18:55, 18 November 2009 (EST)
Wait what? Wario and Mona have a romantic interest? Where's that stated?I know it wasen't stated in WWTouched and WWTwisted, the first warioware game and warioware diy.Count Bonsula I need blood...
Mona's Mega Party Game$! profile states "For some reason, she's a little smitten with Wario." And in one of the break scenes of Wario's second stage in the first WarioWare, Inc., Wario dreams of Mona and says "How cute" or something. Well, this is basically all I know about this "romantic interest." --Grandy02 13:22, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
Quote to long
I think the quote is to long. there must be a shorter one for the top of the page...
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lu-igi board (talk).
It may be long, but it fits the character's personality. Also, please sign your comments.Count Bonsula I need blood...
New Wario image?
In the newest issue of Nintendo Power under an article about famous videogame couples, they had a sidebar with dateless gaming stars with an image of Wario that I have never seen before. The picture was of Wario reclining on his side picking his ear with his finger. The render however seems to be a recent CGI image of Wario more than likely from the recent games due to the quality and model.
Does anyone have a large image of it anywhere and if so, do they know which game it was from? I have scoured the internet and my vast Mario library at home looking for some information.--Lord Robotnik 22:50, 20 January 2011 (EST)
Could you scan this image and post it here? --Reversinator 13:51, 16 May 2011 (EDT)
Wario World Quote
In Wario's quote in the game Wario World for the Gamecube I say..he looks fat and his quadruple chin looks like a waterfall of flab!
Yup, it's fake. Actually, Wario was about to be a cameo and he even has his own sprite, which further makes the information fake. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 14:20, 17 March 2013 (EDT)
The website even says "April Fools Day", so... Ray Trace(T|C)
partners in time (cameo)
in PIT, Mario and Luigi are brought aboard, where Toadsworth disregards their story, thinking that they were not right in the head. The heroes, both past and present, then witness what has happened to Peach's Castle. It has been turned into Shroob Castle, with a giant Princess Shroob statue in the center.
Mario and the others in the Koopa Cruiser.Suddenly, a figure appears above the Koopa Cruiser. It is Princess Shroob, who launches a missile at them, taking down their engine.
while this is happening, the upper- screen flashes red, and luigi and baby luigi get, while the screen is red, a yellow cap and a purple shirt, what references to wario.
a example for this is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRNjduIAHxg
at 8:02
Introduction sentence
Was seeing this on the main page and am thinking the first sentence of this article could use some rewriting, though I don't want to mess with it due to the featured status. It seems clumsy with two clauses starting with "and" in a row (mayhap it can be split into two sentences?) and isn't clear on the character's status as an anti-hero (it first implies it as his core role, then contradicts itself in stating that he is only "occasionally an anti-hero" later in the same sentence).--vellidragon (talk) 17:10, 21 July 2013 (EDT)
Profiles and Statistics page
I'm adding this here because if I add this to the Profiles and Statistics page it won't be seen. For some reason, on that page, nearly everything is italicized; everything except the title and the opening sentence. All of the parts that shouldn't be italicized (headers, character names) are in italics, and even the article, discussion, edit, history, move, watch, and user panel parts are italicized! I'm not sure who to direct this to so I'm just writing this here instead. MarioComix (talk) 01:27, 6 April 2014 (EDT)
The Super Mario Bros Super Show
I heard something stating that Wario and Waluigi were actually in The episode Plumbers academy. Was it really Wario and Waluigi, or was it just a Wario and Waluigi look alike. I'm not sure if it was them or not can someone confirm ?
About Wario Stealing Koopa's Kart in MK64
The article states that Wario is said to have stolen Koopa Troopa's kart in the MK64 instruction manual. But I've been looking through the manual over and over again and I can't see anything about Koopa Troopa or his stolen kart anywhere. So where exactly is this information stated? Did I miss it somehwow? Or is it in a different region's manual? Or maybe it was actually in a players guide? Whatever the case, I think this bit of information should be cited. Buddy Christ (talk)
I swear I removed that one before. Anyway, I've checked copies of both the NA and PAL manual and neither of them state such a thing, so I removed it. If that information is added back, it better be sourced. --Glowsquid (talk) 20:52, 18 October 2014 (EDT)
Yeah, I'm going to change the quote to something a LOT little shorter.
No it isn't: First: A quote isn't determined by length, but by how much it represents charecter. Its ok to have long quote, but it has to represent him. It's good. And you can't just change a quote without agreement (TPP) I think.Toadbrigade5 (talk) 21:22, 18 November 2014 (EST)
The "Every Copy of SM64 is personalized" rumor.
Should we mention the Wario Apparation rumor or not? I understand Wikipedias do not add rumors, but would a mention in the Trivia section count as addable? - Bowser64 (Talk -Sandbox) 19:50, October 30, 2021 (EDT)
It's more of a meme than an actual rumor and we don't really talk about that. Ray Trace(T|C) 19:53, October 30, 2021 (EDT)
Under Mario Tennis's "Mario Tennis" subheading, Wario is described as having 'long sleeves despite that in his artwork and the game's title screen, he is shown wearing long sleeves' which is incorrect and makes no sense. Wario has short sleeves in-game, but the cover art depicts him with long sleeves, which is what I believe the author was trying to say.
Under Super Smash Bros. Ultimate's subheading "Classic Mode", there is a spelling error: 'siganture' instead of the word 'signature'.
I can't edit these so I'm posting them here for someone who can. Thanks. K1NGSH0RTIE
The corrections have been applied. Thank you! It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 14:31, April 22, 2023 (EDT)
Primary image
Wario has two main outfits: the "plumber" outfit used in the Super Mario franchise and most Wario Land games, and the "biker" outfit used in the WarioWare and Smash Bros. series. The standard practice for primary images on this wiki is to use official artwork from the most recently-released game that uses the character's main design (without any game-specific outfit or aesthetic differences). However, for Wario in particular, there is a strong argument to be made that the "biker" outfit is one of his main designs.
My question is: should Wario's WarioWare design be considered a primary-enough design to allow its use as the main image for the article? Does WarioWare: Get It Together! (2021) count as a more recently-released game than Super Mario Party (2018) with official art that doesn't have any game-specific design details? If not, why not? jan Misali (talk · contributions) 16:03, March 30, 2024 (EDT)
The WarioWare design appears to be series specific which we generally don't use for infobox images. It's also why we don't use King Boo's Luigi's Mansion design for his infobox image, even when Luigi's Mansion 3 was his latest appearance. Nightwicked Bowser 16:27, March 30, 2024 (EDT)
Well, it's mostly series-specific. It is also used in Smash as his default outfit, and appears in Super Mario Maker and Yoshi's Woolly World as costumes. Regardless, that does make sense. The "plumber" design is used in a wider variety of Mario media, so I suppose it is reasonable to prioritize it for that reason. Thanks for clearing that up! jan Misali (talk · contributions) 16:37, March 30, 2024 (EDT)
I would say this could be worthy of something like the Thwomp proposal, because I do think both designs are about equally important to Wario as a character.— Lady Sophie(T|C) 18:45, March 30, 2024 (EDT)
I kinda agree with LadySophie. While Wario's overalls design is the most common and notable appearance, his biker appearance is just as noteworthy and important to his character. King Boo's Luigi's Mansion design I could also say is in a similar boat, maybe to a lesser extent, as it's not nearly as frequent as the main design, but even that feels notable enough to King Boo's character portrayal in Luigi's Mansion. Regardless, a proposal concerning such things doesn't sound like a bad idea. Tails777 Talk to me!
I would say the plumber one takes priority and the WarioWare outfit, while important, doesn't come close to the visibility of the overalls outfit that it needs to be in the infobox too. Thwomp's case has been generally going back and forth pretty freely; this one is more primary-secondary. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk)
Easter Egg :D
Can we change the words "gluttony" and "gluttonous" to be spelled "glutonny" and "glutonnous" as a little hint towards the best Wario player in smash bros? I think it would be a really niche, neat easter egg for anyone keeping an eye out, and a tribute to the GOAT of ultimate. Dogmccheese (talk)
No. The Mario Wiki is meant to be professional, and is not biased. Sparks (talk) 23:21, November 30, 2024 (EST)
and now it's long!
'Negative' Impact
I recently added to the abilities section a mention on the Negative Zone final smash and its possible corelation to his becoming Mr. L in SPM. But I just now found it to be removed. If someone could tell me if it is because it is merely a theory, or if it was because of something else, that'd be helpful. User:BoomOfThe4thWall
it's just a theory, otherwise the game would mention it somewhere.
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Luigi time! (talk).
Age
Is it possible that Mario and Luigi are twins, but Mario is older by X minutes? HK
Yes. It's possible. --Son of Suns 13:33, 29 June 2006 (EDT)
Im just thinking that that is how is they how they are twins, AND one is older. (This previously unsigned comment was made by HK-47.)
Well, the Mario games don't exactly have perfect continuity. For one thing, Shy Guys, Bob-ombs, and Birdos were both dreams in SMB2, but they're real in other games. (Most likely, Mario knew about them before his dream, and that's why he dreamed about them.)
For this one, the theories are that: a) Baby Mario & Baby Luigi are different from Mario & Luigi. Highly unlikely.
b) Mario's older by a few minutes. More likely.
c) Nintendo retconned the info seen in Yoshi's Island, or forgot all about it when they described Luigi as the younger. Likely, but not as likely as B.
So, either B or C.
Waluigi Freak 99 14:45, 9 September 2006 (EDT)
Well, Mario did encounter those enemies as a baby in Yoshi's Island, so it is logical that he would dream about them. Also, Nintendo did retcon Yoshi's Island in the GBA release. In the beginning of the game, instead of refering to Mario and Luigi as twins (like in SNES version), Mario and Luigi are simply called brothers. -- Son of Suns
Funny how people don't realise that twins can't be born at the exact same time. Of course one is older than the other. It can be by minutes or hours.
- Yoshi Master
It doesn't seem like they could be twins. BulletBill 12:56, 7 November 2011 (EST)
In my opinion, I think Nintendo made a mistake when they said they were twins. PaperJorge
I think so too. In the Japanese games, it clearly states Mario is older that Luigi, and most likely not twins. Marcelagus(T • C • E)
And then there is every game out there that retcons what you just said. Angry Sun 15:00, 13
May 2007 (EDT)
I think... That if they were teins they would be called the mario twins...
User:Remiel
If you had a twin, wouldn't he still be your brother? Mumbles 23:48, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
I will believe what Luigi's trophy states in SSBB: "Mario's YOUNGER TWIN brother..." WK
OMG I don't really care because Luigi ROX!
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by PrincessDaisyROX (talk).
In Yoshi's Island, they were carried by the stork at the same time, so they probably are twins. Mario certainly is some minutes older than Luigi. I think in one of the episodes of "The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3", Luigi says it. --Xeze 13:43, 21 November 2008 (EST)
Mario is about 27.
Luigi is about 25. Luigi is the younger one. --Jayt55 16:38, 30 November 2008 (EST)
At the end of Chapter 7-1 in Super Paper Mario, Luvbi says to Tippi "Dost thou pine for yonder hairy twins?" But then again, I just watched one episode of the Super Mario Bros. Super Show and they celebrate Luigi's birthday without celebrating Mario's. WK
I always thought Mario is 31 and Luigi is 28. So that would mean Mario is older than Luigi by a few years. But Mario just seems older to me for some reason. User:Lemmy Koopa Fan
It doesn't seem like they could be twins. BulletBill 12:57, 7 November 2011 (EST)
I always thought that Mario & Luigi were twins, and that Mario was older by 30 minuets. Plus, Super Mario BROS sounds better than Super Mario TWINS, so they probably are twins and not just bros. Plus they look almost exactly the same. Even though they're bros they wouldn't look THAT closely alike unless they were twins!
They don't look that much alike. In some games if you look really closely, you'll notice that Luigi's overalls are a slightly darker shade than Mario's, and Luigi wears green and Mario wears red, the each have their own symbol (a red M for Mario and a green L for Luigi), Luigi is slightly taller and thinner and even their mustaches are different. Also, Mario and Luigi don't usually speak like other characters, but Luigi does it a bit more than Mario, as only Luigi would speak English in Super Paper Mario. They also weren't born at the same time. And twins don't have to look alike. Just because Mario and Luigi look alike doesn't mean they're twins!M&L Beware my fury! 12:49, 30 January 2012 (EST)
Well, of course they're gonna wear different outfits! And unless they're IDENTICAL twins, their physical features would always look a little different. How do you know they weren't born at the same time? Plus, doesn't Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games say they're twins? Plus, Luvbi says they're twins in SPM. All the signs point to them being twins, so until Nintendo gives info that says otherwise, I say they're twins.
P.S.: They were carried by the stork at the same time in Yoshi's Island, and their bond was so strong that Baby Mario new where Baby Luigi was when Kamek kidnapped Baby Luigi.
I'm agree that he is Mario's Twin Brother. Talk less, read more. You better read the wiki page carefully before asking. 180.254.179.58 23:42, 22 August 2014 (EDT)
You do realize you're responding to a 2 year old message, right? Ray Trace(T|C) 23:44, 22 August 2014 (EDT)
Okay, i am gonna forget about this. I only want to say that they should see the wiki page carefully. 180.254.179.58 23:50, 22 August 2014 (EDT)
"Yeah it's likely that Luigi is just Mario's younger twin! I'm a younger twin by two minutes...But many years older Mario fandom wise!" -Luigidude17, twin brother of Luigigirl17(not a real user, just my sister's nickname.)
SMB Wonder is another canonical (in-game text!) mention of his "twin but younger twin" status. Could this go in the article’s Age section? Pichugetic (talk) 18:33, March 21, 2024 (EDT)
Images
If anyone can help finding images, I will be happy :). PaperJorge
Why has this picture been deleted?? --Grandy02 06:56, 22 June 2007 (EDT)
I myself am not sure. According to the deletion log, KPH2293 (talk), who is VERY trustworthy and all that, deleted it on the claims that it was unused, despite the fact that the page links to it even now. It's no problem, though; I'll just re-upload the image. (And by the way, KPH also deleted Image:Staringcontest?.gif and Image:Luigitennis.jpeg on the same terms; both of these images are still linked through from the article. I'll ask him why he did this...) YELLOWYOSHI398
Just so you know, I noticed many Luigi Pictures that are on Luigi's page that say "No pages Link to this file". However, they are on Luigi's page, yet they the image says that they are not on this page. Something might be wrong with this page, but I don't know. My Bloody Valentine
Hmm... Currently, all surviving images linked to this page state that they are indeed linked to this page. I dunno; what you said still could've been what caused it... YELLOWYOSHI398
If something like this happens again, slap the images on your talk page in a gallery, it works all the time ;) XzelionETC
Super Mario 64 DS
May I ask why the Super Mario 64 DS section is placed after Paper Mario? Isn't it a remake of Super Mario 64, and thus occupies the same spot in the timeline? Dinosaur bob 13:27, 1 July 2007 (EDT)
Actually it's matter of opinion. I personally think the "remake" is in the same continuity as the original and they both happened at different times. the DS adventure could have happened after Paper Mario and the original happened before for all we know. -- WarioLoaf (talk) 01:37, 8 September 2007 (EDT)
According to MarioWiki: Chronology, remakes should be listed in a biography in the same section the original would occupy. This is an official policy. -- Son of Suns
Some of the Pics were reused from some of the same games, plus there was too many of them getting in the way, I didn't change much to the gallery, but please, no more in the main article! I mean, talk a look at the Part talking about Mr L, we got too many pics at that point, I think we can put of of those in the gallery. Luigi 7
Can someone explain to me what is meant when Mario tells Luigi good job but then steps on his foot in Mario Power Tennis? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cwjakesteel (talk).
Spring Cleaning!
THIS has a few broken links and stuff. Can someone go over it so it looks like a great Featured Article? I saw a broken link and I see too many red links. Minimariolover10
It is gonna take a lot of work to get this article to FA status. It will take many users, and probably many months for that to happen. -- Son of Suns
I disagree because it's more of a...well, it's a quote from an unpopular game and people just like it because they use it in a lot of Youtube Poop. Paper Jorge ( Talk·Contributions)·
Oh, I don't know, all I know is Luigi is so not respected enough.
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by PrincessDaisyROX (talk).
Wanting lotsa spaghetti reflects well on Luigi's personality better. --Koopapoopa 00:43, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
And plus, The famous "Mama Luigi" quote is used on the article, too. YTP or not, it's still a "famous" quote.
Maybe it should be mentioned. Moshata 18:38, 20 July 2011 (EDT)
I think that the quotes should mention how Luigi often speaks in Italian in the Mario & Luigi series- RPG Gamer.
Relationships
I've removed Donkey Kong and added E. Gadd instead, I know there's more to it, but can someone add to it? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gamerlad2 (talk).
I edited the relationship between him and King Boo a bit I will see what I can find more on E Gadd. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gamerlad2 (talk).
Add some stuff about Luigi's "element!"
On Wikipeda, they mention Luigi's thunder-hand from M&L:SS and how his symbol in Strikers was a thunder-bolt. Add this in! (Without taking the exact text of course)
Klaus Kratchet
In Mario Super Sluggers, Luigi has tornado when pitching/batting. This could mean he has air powers.
Vote for the Main Quote
This talk page proposal has already been settled. Please do not edit this section or its subsections. If you wish to discuss the article, please do so in a new section below the proposal.
change to option 1 3-1-1
As the title says, this is a vote to decide the main quote. I want to change it, but I suppose I should bring this here before making any change. Blitzwing
Knife (talk) 13:56, 15 December 2007 (EST) Quote from a better known game
SiFi, Youtube poops mean nothing on this wiki. Though I always thought "I'm my bro's bro." was a good one.
Lavender, "I'm my bro's bro" is from Super Paper Mario. Not youtube. And, "that's mama luigi to you mario" was actually in the show, there may be a lot of youtube poops for that episode, but Luigi really says that.
Option 2
Oppose. More people know this quote from the intro to Garfield and Friends than from Hotel Mario. Besides, it's already the quote on Spaghetti by now. --Tepples 17:44, 21 March 2009 (EDT)
Support. So? It still reflects Luigi's personality.--Koopapoopa 00:55, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
Option 3
I think this option should be because:
1.)mario could just change Luigi to mario
and
2.)Mario could have easily said te same thing. in fact, both of them could have said it-Chandud
vote for the Main quote
I think that "I'm my bro's bro" from super paper mario is a better one, because it shows luigi's personality, in every game i've played luigi calls mario "bro". option one is from mario kart and crossovers, option two sounds more like mario then luigi, and option 3 only applies to one episode of super mario world.
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Luigi time! (talk).
Super Mario Galaxy
Where are images of him playable in that game?(Super F22 Pilot 04:09, 8 January 2008 (EST))
There aren't very many images of the playable Luigi around. (DarkZero)
Well please upload the image if you at least find any. Also I did was able to play as Luigi by collecting all 120 Stars and switched from Mario to Luigi but then you have to start all the way to the beginning.(Super F22 Pilot 03:37, 10 January 2008 (EST))
"Paper" Luigi...
Luigi's image in the TTYD section looks shopped. His mustache doesn't part from his nose and his eyes are too close together. NMRodo I remember a similar issue with Tayce T.
Dodo's right, it could possibly just be fan artwork (The uploader...) Mr. Guy the Guy Talk!E
Yeah, it's quite obviously a fake. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 11:10, 21 January 2008 (EST)
It is if you look closely the bold line looks thin. And his overalls are light blue! (Aren't they suppose to be jean coloured) File:LuigiPM2.PNGPrincess Grapes Butterfly 20:59, 15 February 2008 (EST) (And his ear is all mess up.)
Luigi's Final Smash
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=LckvnqXmujc
Its strange, but it still deserves a mention and article. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]]).
Where does he get that smash from anyway? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]]).
apparently it's because of his dislike from being in his bro's shadow.
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Luigi time! (talk).
Early artwork
Is there any artwork of Luigi from an early game, like Super Mario Bros. 2, or Super Mario World, or something? I want to see what he originally looked like in one of those platformers. Is there any on the wiki? If it's not in this article, probably not. (I know there is artwork of him from SMB2, because there is of the other characters... where do images like that come from?) CrystalYoshi 19:11, 27 February 2008 (EST)
You can find a lot by looking at the artwork for the remake (Super Mario Advance). There's one of him running, pulling up a turnip, and maybe one more. Now, whether these were the original artwork, I don't know. Stumpers! 23:13, 27 February 2008 (EST)
The manuals also have artwork of Luigi. See here for SMB2 and here for SMW. Time Questions 06:22, 28 February 2008 (EST)
Is there any website that shows the artwork? It should be uploaded. CrystalYoshi 18:36, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Your best bet is Gamehiker. I forget the URL, so please search for "Gamehiker". The site has a gallery sorted by video games. Stumpers! 20:08, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Well, can I just download the picture and click "upload file"? Is it that easy? If I just do that, will I get arrested for not scaling down the image or something? I'm a little confused about that. 20:32, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Never mind, they didn't have the one I wanted. (I wanted the one that was part of this picture. Maybe it's from Super Mario Advance, but they didn't have artwork from that game.) CrystalYoshi
That's the biggest version of the picture I know of. You can chop out Luigi using Paint if you want to. In regards to being arrested: just read the appropriate template for your image (ie, screenshot, artwork, etc.) and see that you hold true to the criteria. Stumpers! 10:27, 1 March 2008 (EST)
Actually, I was thinking about that earlier. Maybe, but there might not be too much to say about Mr. L, in which case it's a good idea to keep him part of this article to avoid having a stub. CrystalYoshi
It would be nice for someone looking for stats or tips not to have to discover his true identity by finding it only on the Luigi page. Plus, we have Bowletta, Fire Mario, etc. Stumpers! 17:38, 6 March 2008 (EST)
You're right. The aticle would mention in the first few sentences that it was really Luigi, but it's pretty obvious. (Actually, when I saw Mr. L, I wasn't sure if it was Luigi after being hypnotized, or some sort of clone or evil twin of Luigi.) But that doesn't really matter, there's a ton of spoilers on the wiki and not much to do about it. But a Mr. L article sounds like a good idea to me. Anyone want to make it? Pseudo-dino first mentioned it, does he want to make it? CrystalYoshi
A Mr. L article would definatly work. His millions of appearances throughout the game, information about his HP and battle technices (Shroom Shake!), a quote of his, how Luigi turned into Mr. L after he tried to escape, how he joined Bleck, how he got turned back into Luigi after bieng "killed", how they later found out who he really was and his mention in Brawl. Sounds article worthy. Paper Jorge ( Talk·Contributions)·
Out of Order Pictures
I think the official images on this article should be in date order. Does anyone agree/disagree? EnPeached 21:18, 29 April 2008 (EDT)
Yup.[Yoshitheawesome]
Melee
how do you unlock luigi in meleeP&F911 18:56, 24 May 2008 (EDT)P&F911
I won't even bother saying to go to the forums. You need to play 800 vs. matches or finish the first stage in Adventure mode when a digit of the time is 7. I'm sure someone can explain the second part of that better.Knife (talk) 13:10, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
Pizza!
From Wikipedia:
"In accordance with Nintendo's marketing policy of naming and promoting individual characters,[2] the new character was given the name Luigi, which was inspired by a pizza parlor near Nintendo of America's headquarters in Redmond, Washington, called "Mario & Luigi's".[4]".
I don't see this anywhere in the history or current version. Should be added, yeah? -- Chris 20:09, 3 August 2008 (EDT)
I'll go on the record saying this is a perfect example of how canon has replaced history on this Wiki. Stumpers! 15:24, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
Luigi Mario?
OK, I found some new evidence on the Bros.' last name. It's in some issue of Nintendo Power, a Super Mario Sunshine article. Mario addresses a postcard to a certain "Luigi Mario." Whaddaya think? I can scan the article or whatever. BLOCPARTIER.
Sounds good - if you give us the issue number, page number, article title, and author we can do a proper citation and you won't have to scan - but scans are appreciated, too! Stumpers! 15:18, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
Yeah, I'd rather scan it, considering it's part of a poster that I already took out of the magazine. If I was lucky, it'd only take a couple minutes to find, but if not... It could take well over an hour. :O BLOCPARTIER.
Oh, I know that feeling. Good luck and may both of us one day find enough space for all of our stuff so that it is organized. :P Stumpers! 01:25, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
I always thought Luigi Mario was his real name, and that's why they're called theMario bros..
Interactions with other characters
I think that instead of King boo being under interactions with other characters, ghosts should be stated. Because since Luigi's Manison, Luigi has had a connection with not just King Boo, but with ghosts in general. An example would be that Luigi was trapped in the Ghostly Galaxy in Super Mario Galaxy. I would have went ahead and changed it, but I thought that some people might prefer that a specific individual be listed instead of a species. I just wanted to get some opinions on this. WK
But, that would be like saying "Mario has an interaction with Koopas" in general. Just because Luigi fights them, doesn't mean they have a connection. Marcelagus(T • C • E)
In Mario Superstar Baseball, Luigi shares bad chemistry with not just King Boo, but also with Boo. Where as Mario doesn't share bad chemistry with Koopas or Goombas. WK
The chemistry does not determine all relationships. (Goomba with a good chemsitry with Diddy Kong??) Anyway, I just noticed... Daisy has a bad chemistry with Waluigi. Does this support the Daisy-Luigi relationship, perhaps? o_0 Marcelagus(T • C • E)
King Boo is basically the guy that hates Weege the most, kind of like goomboss/bowser and Mario. King Boo captured Weege in Mario 64 DS, and Goomboss captured mario. I think maybe an interaction with ghosts in general and a subheading with King Boo.--Koopapoopa 00:50, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
the thing in mario superstar baseball is because luigi is scared of ghosts and mario isn't scared of koopas or goombas (or anything =P). and koopapoopa, it's spelled "weegee". — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Luigi time! (talk).
The one with Wario and Rosalina are both a bit pointless (mainly the Wario one) since he's more of a rival with Waluigi, and he really and truly only doesn't really interact with Rosalina apart from when you can play as him and his ending photo. AzelfandQuilava 17:39, 12 October 2012 (EDT)
?
why is he in the police catagory? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lu-igi board (talk).
"When Luigi finally went on a quest of his own in Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, he's presented as be more arrogant and somewhat of a liar, as he changes the stories of his adventure to make himself look better;"
Isn't that a little too harsh? Sure he changed some things in his story but I think he only did this to make his brother proud of him.
And as for his novel: It can not undoubtedly be confirmed that Luigi made that exaggerated edits. It might have been the author as well in an attempt to make his story sound more read-worthy.
How are you confused? Even in the case of twins, they're not born the same moment, if that's what you're wondering. One is still older than the other. --Garlic Man (talk)
Should we mention in his physicl description that in some games Luigi has paler skin than Mario? if yall never noticed look at the Mario & Luigi sprites real close like. [[User:Clarkmaster|Clarkmaster[[UserTalk:Clarkmaster|Southern Voice!]]]] 17:11, 31 January 2010 (EST)
That's kinda minor information, since I only noticed a tiny difference if I looked really closely and made sure that they use different colors. And it's only in a few games as well. Ray Trace(T|C)
Yes, but Roy Campbell said: "Look at that pale skin!"...--Green Thunder 11:36, 19 March 2011 (EDT)
I agree with BabyLuigiOnFire, I only noticed when I heard the codec, and it was very hard to see. L-ater!
Meaning
I was doing a little research, and I found out that the meaning of "Luigi" is "famous fighter", something that Luigi is definately not. Should that go in trivia, starting with "ironically" or "coincedentially?" (<-- probably not spelt right, but who cares.) Lemmy Koopa Fan 22:45, 8 March 2010 (EST)
Where did you get that information from? Ray Trace(T|C)
Ah, one of those "meaning of names" sites. I'm pretty sure it was true, because that's what it said on other sites too. (Wow, I have such weird hobbies...) Lemmy Koopa Fan 17:12, 9 March 2010 (EST)
...The meaning of "Luigi" is "Glorious in battle" (according to the Junior Woodchucks' manual... =P)...--Green Thunder 11:36, 19 March 2011 (EDT)
Luigi in Brawl
I've seen pictures and videos of Luigi in Brawl as Mr.L,a few websites say stuff about this (eye problems and not being able to get the bandana on him.)MegaClaws 11:30, 9 March 2010 (EST)
The pictures were edited and the videos were the result of a hack. I know because there is no way possible to play as Mr. L in Super Smash Bros. Brawl. Lemmy Koopa Fan 17:15, 9 March 2010 (EST)
Weegee
I think we should have more information about the name "weegee", and maybe even an image of what "weegee" looks like. --Koopapoopa 00:53, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
-_-' Please nothing about YouTube poops or other crap from other meme places...--FREAK~GameFreak~OUT!
I just mean basic information about him, such as the fact that it's from the DOS version and that his sprite is infamous for its staring, stuff like that. --Koopapoopa 01:02, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
Yes, and let's put it in the trivia section. --Click to enter my domain! 21:52, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
information actually about Luigi
In the sections for various games, it just says things like, "mario and luigi travelled through 8 worlds, blah blah blah..." and doesn't give that much information about Luigi himself, like how he throws the shell on the title screen of Mario 3,etc. --Koopapoopa 01:02, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
That's one of the reasons why the article has a rewrite template. Feel free to help improve the article by adding more facts actually related to Luigi and removing unrelated information; if the article talks about things unrelated to the subject, that's only because nobody has taken the time to rewrite those sections yet. Keep in mind when adding things though that the style used for most of the article is not conform to the current quality standards; information should be written in the present tense, speculation, fanon and dramatic writing styles should be absent.--vellidragon 15:15, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
Different in SMB3?
The article currently says that Luigi controls differently in Super Mario Bros. 3 (as he does in some other games). I have never heard such a thing (aside from Super Mario Advance 4, of course) but am in no position to test, currently. Does anyone have any evidence that this is the case? --HeroicJay 06:44, 25 May 2010 (EDT)
I'm pretty sure that Luigi plays exactly the same as Mario in SMB3. --Grandy02 06:56, 25 May 2010 (EDT)
So am I, but like I said, unable to test, myself, currently. --HeroicJay 13:25, 25 May 2010 (EDT)
No, really, does anyone have any evidence of this? I'm really thinking that it was added by someone who owns SMA4 and got confused. --HeroicJay 02:20, 31 May 2010 (EDT)
I have SMA4. Only reason I edited that Luigi controls differently is because another editor said so and I'm sorta more Sonic-ish than Mario-ish... but I've seen some videos on Youtube and in the original SMB3, Luigi didn't seem to slip or slide any more than Mario did, and I'm pretty sure jump height is the same. I'll try to get it for the Virtual Console and see if I spot any differences. Sorry if I began (or continued...) any confusion. --SuperSonicRider 22:37, 31 May 2010 (EDT)
2 Sections
How come there are 2 sections named "Super Mario World"? I think one of them has to be renamed. HappyHalloween!
There are two sections because there are two things named 'Super Mario World". The sub-sections of History that they are listed under make it pretty clear which one's which: the one in the "Super Mario series" section is about the game Super Mario World and the other one, in the "DIC cartoons" section, is about the cartoon Super Mario World. It doesn't disrupt wiki navigation either (if you want to link straight to the second one, type Luigi#Super_Mario_World_2, while Luigi#Super_Mario_World goes to the first; the TOC works fine as well). It's not a problem and no renaming is necessary. - Walkazo 23:12, 15 January 2011 (EST)
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merge 6-1
This proposal is to merge Cassanova Koopa with Luigi. I tried this a couple weeks ago, but it was confusing. But I got the hang of it. Anyway, I think we should merge these two pages because if Kootie Pie's human form should be put in Wendy O's page than so should Cassanova Koopa with Luigi.
Proposer:Tails777 (talk) Deadline: February 16, 2011, 23:59 GMT
Support
Zero777 (talk) I am Zero! Yeah, why was that removed, anyways, per proposal. Zero signing out.
Marioguy1 (talk) - Casanova Koopa is not notable enough to get its own article when there is an alternative way to do this.
Supremo78 (talk) If Casanova Koopa is a form of Luigi that was used, it should be included in his article, just like Mr. L is included in Luigi's article.
Bowser's luma (talk) Leo Luster was just whichever Kong who's name escapes me in a costume. If I'm not mistaken, Casanova Koopa is Luigi in a magical transformation.
I might have mispelled the word. I have bad spelling. Sorry. And if Casanova Koopa and Luigi are different, why isn't there a page for Kootie Pie's human form?Tails777 (talk)
I am Zero! @AnimalCrossingCool Please specify that a little more or else the vote is invalid. Zero signing out. Zero777 (talk)
Robo Koopa. It's a featured article, and an alter-ego. If we have that article, why can't we have this one? And for an example with Luigi, Mr. L. Hello, I'm Time Turner.
It's probably going by the logic that merged Leo Luster with Bluster Kong. I personally would love to see all those personae merged into King Koopa's alter egos (but maybe give the chart a "summary" section to briefly describe each alter-ego and its role in the corresponding episode). Most of them don't have articles yet anyway, and I feel that lengthy summaries like on Robo Koopa are a bit unnecessary: people can just read the episode summaries. Video game alter-egos have a bit more to stand on, seeing as their summaries aren't just rehashing a single game's summary, in most cases, but I'd be fine with merging things like Dark Fawful, Bowletta, Shrowser and possibly even Mr. L, although given the fact that "Mr. L" played such an important role in SPM, I'd also be fine with that article staying. Same deal with Dr. Mario: he's not a one-hit wonder, and not giving him his own page would look like an omission on our part. - Walkazo 10:40, 4 February 2011 (EST)
In my opinion, Robo Koopa should be merged as it is not notable enough to warrant its own article. But Bowletta, Dark Fawful (don't know who Shrowser is) and Mr. L are all main villains of a game. Robo Koopa appeared as the villain during one episode of a TV show. Bowletta, Dark Fawful, etc. are the main villains of their own games. They should remain split (IMO). Marioguy1 (talk)
Slitghly off topic, but King Koopa has quite a few pages on his alter-egos. We even listed them: King Koopa's alter egos. Since this will pass, should we delete/merge these alter-egos? Hello, I'm Time Turner.
I am Zero! @Bowser'sLuma What difference does that make? They're both just changing their look. Your vote in invalid. Zero signing out. Zero777 (talk)
Parent category
Luigi is listed under the Parents category. Did I miss or just forget about something? --Dus T. 16:14, 29 November 2011 (EST)
I believe the category is for maternal or paternal relationships, not just biological parenthood, so that's probably it. Bop1996(Talk)
In the super mario world tv show he was Yoshis adopted Mama/father Raven Effect (talk)
Luigi isn't really a parent because he isn't married and Yoshi calls him "mama Lugi" because Luigi found himWorld 6 (talk) 05:04, 29 August 2012 (EDT)
Quote
I think we should change the current quote with a different one. My personal suggestion is "I'm my bro's bro!". If anyone either supports or opposes this, or has a different suggestion, please comment below.{{User:M&LM&L Baby_mario.gif 22:27, 16 January 2012 (EST)}}
Perhaps [7] this one? And it doesn't matter that he is holding coins because we used Wario's MP8 artwork for awhile which had him holding coins.
Plus, it would go with Mario's well. YoshiCookie (talk) 10:15, 10 December 2015 (EST)
Split a SMG Luigi into a new article
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split neither 0-5-14
This kinda came up incidentally in a discussion on Boom Boom's talk page, and I think it's a valid point. There are two Luigis in Super Mario Galaxy, and they look different. Therefore, one of them should be split to a different page, Luigi (Super Mario Galaxy), kinda like the Pink Donkey Kong Jr. article, though the differences are far more drastic there. I think the important question is which one, however.
Proposer: 1337star (talk) Deadline: January 15, 2013, 23:59 GMT.
Split the playable Luigi
Split the NPC Luigi
Walkazo (talk) - They look different (not as different than Pink DKJr., but it's better than nothing), talk to each other, and Rosalina calls the extra one Luigi's "twin". Yeah, the game doesn't really get into it much beyond that, but like we always say, there's nothing wrong with a short article if there's not much info to go on. Speculating about the how and why of the Luigi twin would be wrong, but we don't have to do that to get an article out of the subject. Plus, as we've seen with the recent pushes for level articles and whatnot, it's good to have lots of articles - as long as they're about worthwhile subjects, and this little quirk seems worthy to me (and maybe other people think it's interesting too, and try to look up info about it on Google). Regarding some of the opposition (not including the votes that don't know what the TPP is even about), like I said on the Boom Boom talk page, comparing SSB game mechanics to the Super Mario series is apples and oranges: it doesn't matter what your in-universe beliefs are, this matter simply isn't anything like the duplicate fighters of SSB. This also doesn't mean something must be done about the extra Mario in DKJr., because again, it's not the same situation: SMG treats the extra Luigi as an extra Luigi, but to my knowledge, DKJr. doesn't treat the other Mario as... anything, really, so even asserting that it is meant to be a second Mario would be speculation - unlike the extra Luigi, there isn't really anything that could be cobbled together into a factual article, AFAIK: no dialogue, no difference in appearance, no lampshade-hanging, no nothing. But this? This has stuff to go on, and we should, y'know, go on it.
Brock (talk) Oppose: there is no reason to split a single character by game. He is still the same character. If you must, you can create a paragraph referring to said character on his character page referring to any differences in personality/characterization/etc on his page. Anything specific to the games belongs in the games articles themselves, not on a separate character page. ~Brock.
Marshal Dan Troop (talk) No what's next splitting paper mario because he looks different, splitting the Mario in DKJR because there are two of them, splitting Luigi in Wrecking Crew because he's purple, creating a Mario (species) page again because there's multiple Mario's in smash bros. I guess what i'm saying is that I oppose because Nintendo gives no confirmation that they are different characters.
RandomYoshi (talk) — They are still the same character. Luigi is an NPC in many, many games. Does that mean that every time he is an NPC, the page should be split? No, it doesn't. Just as long as we have it confirmed that it's Luigi, which we in fact have in this case, it should stay on the same page.
1337star (talk) Whatever, I don't care anymore. I still feel that they are separate characters, and the game itself says this, but this proposal obviously won't go anywhere. Per all, I guess.
Zero777 (talk) Oppose, and not for any of the above reasons, which I believe are wrong, except for one. I believe splitting it up will make the SMG Luigi article very unprofessional, with little info on it besides cosmetic differences; it's not article-worthy is basically what I am saying. This kind of information belongs in a small explanation on Luigi's article and/or the SMG article.
NewSMBU (talk) Are you sure the two Luigis are so different because they talk to each other and Rosalina calls the clone Luigi's twin, so they must be split?
To the (surprisingly numerous in quite a short span of time!) people opposing: how do you account for the fact that dialogue supports that the two Luigis are different people? Or that the two Luigis look different? -- 1337star(Mailbox SP) 14:38, 1 January 2013 (EST)
Well, 1337star, how do you define that they look different? Doesn't the Luigi from Super Mario Bros. look different from the Luigi found in Paper Mario, for example? Should they then be split into different articles, as well? RandomYoshi(Talk • PMs • C) 14:48, 1 January 2013 (EST)
But those Luigis aren't in the same game at the same time. These are. And, to stem off the Super Smash Bros. argument, those aren't the actual characters, but toys (the first game) or trophies (Melee and Brawl), rather than real, flesh-and-blood people. -- 1337star(Mailbox SP) 14:56, 1 January 2013 (EST)
To my understanding, you think that splitting this article because something you, a fan, saw that is not confirmed by any official source ever from Nintendo, where this Wiki takes all of its information from and considers canotial information. There is no policy backing up your claims here. We cannot conclude that they are different characters until Nintendo has confirmed the opposite, so for now we'll let this article be. RandomYoshi(Talk • PMs • C) 15:01, 1 January 2013 (EST)
No 1337 you are wrong according to the wiki Smash Bros. is canon therefore those are in fact Luigi's that you are fighting. Marshal Dan Troop (talk)
I didn't say Super Smash Bros. isn't canon. I said that the Luigi (and other characters) in that game aren't the same as in the main Mario series, by the simple fact that he's a toy/trophy and not a real human being (and no, I don't think the Smash Bros. info should be split. Trophy!Luigi and real!Luigi don't appear in the same game.) I'm pretty sure there's something somewhere on the Dojo that says something to this effect, though I don't feel like looking due to this not being all that relevant here. -- 1337star(Mailbox SP) 15:32, 1 January 2013 (EST)
The thing is, the game doesn't offer any reason why there are two Luigis there at all, so there's not really anything we can say to claim anything other than there's a Luigi in exactly the same place and situations the Luigi in Mario's SMG storyline is, which is what we already do. It's almost impossible to claim anything else about the two Luigis without falling into speculation simply because of how lightly the game treats the subject, and that's really all there is to it. Bop1996(Talk)
I personally don't see how this situation is different than Donkey Kong Jr./Pink Donkey Kong Jr., but whatever. Consensus is obviously against this, so I'm unofficially withdrawing it (can't officially withdraw it because there's too many votes). -- 1337star(Mailbox SP) 15:32, 1 January 2013 (EST)
I think most of the people didn't understand the proposal. In Super Mario Galaxy, we can see two different Luigi at the same time. They even talk to each other. They look a bit different. The proposal is not "Well, in SMG Luigi is a bit different so we should split" but "Well, in SMG there are two Luigis different, so we should split". Banon (talk · edits) 15:52, 1 January 2013 (EST)
1337star, you could just delete this or ask an admin to, since you're even voting against your own proposal. Aokage (talk) 16:29, 1 January 2013 (EST)
"To the (surprisingly numerous in quite a short span of time!)"
Looking at the voters, what probably happened is that someone on the chat dropped a link here based on the title and the usual suspects voted en masse without actually bothering to read the description. Business as usual.
Anyway, I'll just echo what Bop1996 said, I don't feel a split is necessary as what you can essentialy say about the 2nd Luigi is "There's a 2nd Luigi in some missions in Super Mario Galaxy. He has slightly different textures and the game treat him as a separate character". Nothing that isn't already stated with enough depth in the SMG section of this article, imo. --Glowsquid (talk) 16:37, 1 January 2013 (EST)
An admin should remove most the oppose votes. They clearly didn't understand this proposal. Aokage (talk) 14:48, 4 January 2013 (EST)
Or how about we still disagree with Walkazo. Just because we have a different opinion on this doesn't mean we should go on the same side as you. Ray Trace(T|C)
People didn't read the proposal and thought this was about splitting the galaxy Luigi because he's NPC or something (see Brock and RandomYoshi; others just went "Per all"). No. This about splitting the other Luigi because there's TWO LUIGIS. They should atleast read the proposal and clarify their opinion. Aokage (talk) 14:10, 5 January 2013 (EST)
Even so, I still believe the article is fine the way it is Ray Trace(T|C) 16:52, 6 January 2013 (EST)
Luigi's Mansion
Hey I have a question. Is Luigi's Mansion considered a series? Pokebub (talk) 00:05, 8 April 2013 (EDT)
Should there be a separate page for Year of Luigi? The page could keep track of all the games released for Luigi and info about year of luigi. Pokebub (talk) 17:43, 17 April 2013 (EDT)
Year of the Luigi sounds as an informal name Nintendo conceived. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 00:07, 18 April 2013 (EDT)
New picture for info box
I personally think we should change it to the artwork for Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon. First of all it's Luigi's most recent new artwork and second it's from a game where Luigi is the main star. Tails777 Talk to me!
I think we should let it stay, since the art style for Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon depicts Luigi as a clay model or something, and I don't think other Luigi artwork will adopt that texture.
In the last paragraph of "Creation and Development", it states that the Year of Luigi is celebrating his thirteenth anniversary. It should actually say thirtieth.
With this typo, it seems as if Luigi was created in 2000 instead of 1983. That's a little funny, actually...
--108.74.227.102 20:30, 29 July 2013 (EDT) Connor the Pegasus
Luigi has the Parents category on his article... Explain to me exactly when Luigi was shown to have children? --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 21:49, 13 August 2013 (EDT)
"Thats Mama Luigi to you" Taken out of contex I'd expect.----- — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.19.157.227 (talk).
Trivia on the recent Q&A with Luigi
Should we add trivia about questioned answered during the recent Q&A with Luigi where Luigi answered questions in real time?
Some of those answers pretty interesting like the fact that hes kept of every coin he's collected over his adventures (782,942,872,943)
and others are about his relations with daisy and how he thinks Pikachu is a cute pokemon. Since the person answering for luigi was the voice actor I'm pretty sure we can't accept things as cannon but that doesn't mean we can't have it in the trivia section.--75.19.157.227 01:19, 22 October 2013 (EDT)
Link to this? Ray Trace(T|C) 02:16, 22 October 2013 (EDT)
Oh! This is really cool! Mind if I use this video to add some quotes to the Luigi quote page? I've never seen Luigi talk before, so yes, this will reveal quite some of his personality. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 00:07, 30 October 2013 (EDT)
First appearance
Shouldn't it be DKjr, not Mario Bros? Granted in DKjr he didn't have his trademark green clothes yet, instead dressing identically to Mario, but who else could it possibly have been helping Mario with the captured Donkey Kong? Then when they made Mario Bros and brought him back they had to make him look different since it was 2 player simultaneous and players had to know who was who, so they changed his coloring, but he definitely had to be the "2nd Mario" in DKjr even if all his trademark characteristics hadn't been ironed out yet (sort of how Mario was called Jumpman in the first DK, but it's still Mario's first appearance).76.226.130.212 20:41, 17 January 2014 (EST)
Unfortunately, we don't have enough evidence to prove that the Mario clone is the biological clone (aka twin brother Luigi). Nintendo has also asserted multiple times that Mario Bros. is Luigi's first appearance as well, from trophy descriptions to Year of the Luigi itself. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 20:49, 17 January 2014 (EST)
Perhaps, if the Mario from DK & DK Jr. is Mario(the plumber)'s father, the other Mario is his father(Mario(the plumber)'s grandfather). SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 1:53, December 9, 2022 (CST)
Adding E. Gadd to Luigi's friends
Should E. Gadd be somewhere in there? I mean in the 2 major games they appear in together, they seem to act as close friends. Tails777 Talk to me!
Well, I don't know, but E. Gadd seems to trust and look up to Luigi. I'd say that it's more of a trusted worker-boss relationship. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 00:27, 10 February 2014 (EST)
"I hope she made us lotsa spaghetti" is a better quote
It's actually from Hotel Mario, not any of the cartoons. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 13:54, December 9, 2022 (CST)
Hello
Hello guys, i don't understand why i can't edit. In the section "Nicknames" say "Luigi is unknown", apparently somebody edited their research original, Luigi is the icon sidekick in Mario franchise... can someone fixed that, because their wiki looks poor and edited by haters, and i think in the wiki's image, Mario and Luigi are the stars, and together are one of the most famous videogames characters. Thanks. Please fix that. Jola (talk) 22:22, 8 June 2014 (EDT)
Paper Mario
At the end of Paper Mario, when the brothers go to Peach's Castle again, Luigi goes first and say it's top secret. Is that notable? 122.189.240.166 03:58, 28 July 2014 (EDT)
He was hiding the fact that he was going to lead the parade. That's not really that notable. - 04:28, 28 July 2014 (EDT)
Luigi's Death Stare
I heard about Luigi staring at his victims in Mario Kart 8. If you want talk about this, feel free to edit. 180.254.179.58
First, nix the font changers. Second, we are NOT going to cover that in Mario Wiki. Ray Trace(T|C) 23:38, 22 August 2014 (EDT)
Oops! Sorry for the formatting. I just watch a video about this meme in Youtube. 180.254.179.58 23:45, 22 August 2014 (EDT)
Btw, why have we got coverage on "Weegee" but not the Death stare? - 02:37, 23 August 2014 (EDT)
Because "Weegee" is a classic. Still, not too fond of internet memes. Personally, I think the page should stick to Mario games. Sudowoodo(talk) 04:31, 23 August 2014 (EDT)
But it is the history of LUIGI! AND, the page also covers non-game appearances. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 13:56, December 9, 2022 (CST)
Problem
There is a white line through the first sentence, is that just my device? -Cool190 (Talk · Contribs)
I think Luigi deserves a better highlighted quote than the one posted already. What about one of his lines from Mario Kart 64? How about more recent ones such as "Oh yeah, Luigi like-a that!" from Mario Party 7, or even his first line in Super Maio 3D World where he ends it with "Go Green"? They sound much better than the quote from Fortune Street and Luigi has famous lines just as good as Mario's It's a me, Mario!Marino13 (talk) 04:26, 17 March 2016 (EDT)
We're not using this quote because it's "famous". We're using it because it gives some insight into Luigi's character and personality, which is probably what I should have said in the edit summary, but oh well.
Okay, guys, I am very much convinced that Luigi is overall a silent character just like Mario, and for the most part, he's only a little bit more talkative than Mario. The only games where he really speaks are the Mario Galaxy games and the first three Paper Mario games. Other than that, he just speaks like Mario: silent, gibberish, grunts and yells, or not at all. Because of this, he should have a "silent" quote just like Mario does. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 21:49, 14 December 2017 (EST)
What do you mean, you don't follow that logic? What logic do you follow then? Or better yet, what's wrong with my logic in the first place? I hope you answer me correctly, or else you run the risk of getting jumbled up with Dimentio again! :) Lcrossmk8 (talk) 00:09, 18 December 2017 (EST)
lolwut.....anyways, he's silent in games where everyone pantomimes everything, but he's by far the more vocal of the two. Also, you leave out the first Luigi's Mansion, and even then, most games in the series have the main protagonist(s) not say all that much. He also talks in many of the older instruction manuals, especially for Super Mario RPG. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:19, 18 December 2017 (EST)
What I don't follow is why we need to have a shallow quote just because Luigi doesn't talk as much as other characters. Barely anyone talks at all in the 2D platformers, but that doesn't affect anything. Toad's quote isn't "Oh no!" The whole point of the quote to give a bit of insight into the character's personality and a shallow, generic-sounding quote doesn't do that.
@Doc von Schmeltwick: Yeah, I know, but that's it. Other than that, he talks just like Mario. It's not that much of a gap at all. And besides, we're only counting games here, not instruction manuals. Yeah, I know, but if the character doesn't talk in the game, then he or she just doesn't talk in that game. And Black Lightning, if that is the case, then why do we have a silent quote for Mario? Is it because he doesn't have a personality at all? That's just bull right there. He does have a personality, it's just very simple and not expanded not very much. I feel like Luigi, although being more human and distinct, is just like Mario for the most part. After all, the Mario Bros are twins, after all. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 00:30, 18 December 2017 (EST)
Because Mario never gets deep dialog outside of supplemental material, which takes a backseat regarding what is the "main" interpretation by creators. Also, twins can (obviosuly) have extremely different personalities, or even amounts thereof. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:35, 18 December 2017 (EST)
I am a twin, an identical twin nonetheless raised in the same house, can speak for myself that my personality is very distinct from my twin, despite also sharing some similarities. Ray Trace(T|C) 00:59, 18 December 2017 (EST)
Here's my two cents: You can't say Luigi is 100% silent (we're talking Link silent) if he talks in Paper Mario. One can say whenever you play as Luigi, he qualifies as a silent protagonist, but when you hear about his adventures in The Thousand-Year Door or hear him mumbling about furniture in the original Luigi's Mansion, or all those lines in Fortune Street, I guess, you cannot say Luigi is just one of Nintendo's silent protagonists. - AwdryFan1997(Talk)
Mario + Rabbids not on here
Where is the section for Mario + Rabbids? Wariopig (talk) 15:17, 13 January 2018 (EST)Wariopig
Mario and Luigi
On Mario’s page it mentions that his species is Homo Nintendonus. By this logic Luigi’s page should be altered to reflect their shared species as they are brother who presumably share parents.
Additionally we should change all humans in the Mario and Luigi series to H. Nitendonus (or however it is spelled in the booklet that the Mario page is referencing) as this would better reflect the canon of the Mario Brothers. Fallennorth (talk) 04:33, November 22, 2019 (EST)
Besides, such a reference to Mario's 'species' comes from an old character bible used by Nintendo of America specifically; it was written and used for an internal reference in 1993, and nothing has been mentioned of it since then, and I'd imagine there's at least more stuff referring to Mario as human in comparison. It makes little sense to speculate as a result, especially with such a rarely used and outdated source. --LordG.matters. 04:40, November 22, 2019 (EST)
Indeed, that source wasn’t from Nintendo in Japan, and Nintendo of America itself didn’t use its content at all to create bios and the like, ignoring it if it creates inconsistencies would be fine actually.—Mister Wu (talk) 06:20, November 22, 2019 (EST)
Only Appearance
The part that says that Hotel Mario was Luigi's only appearance on the CD-I should be changed because Hotel Mario was the only Mario game to be released for the system. Mario Takes America & Super Mario's Wacky Worlds were both cancelled. I'manumber1 (talk) 17:40, February 6, 2022 (EST)
Could someone please add this to the Trivia section about Luigi’s name being the Italian form of Ludwig? Since well there is a Koopaling with the name Ludwig
It’s true I found this out not to long ago here’s the source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luigi_(name)) I just want someone to add this line (Coincidentally Luigi’s name is the Italian form of the name Ludwig meaning technically speaking Luigi and Ludwig share the same name) I have already added this to Ludwig Von Koopa’s article and I would do the same here but of course I cannot do that myself. 35.137.237.68 (talk)
It's just a coincidence as you said, and not notable enough to include on the article. --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 13:26, September 30, 2022 (EDT)
"While Luigi is not included as one the usable sprites" should be "While Luigi is not included as one of the usable sprites". 93.115.28.181 18:41, November 12, 2022 (EST)
I would be nice to give Luigi a "List of appearences by date" section like his brother. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wonderman23 (talk).
Then go ahead. MarioJC 12:22, March 26, 2024 (EDT)
HUGE image...
So I tried putting Luigi's artwork from Super Mario Party Jamboree in place of his Mario Party Superstars artwork, and the image is so big that the article can't even show a quarter of it in one screen. Is there any way I can fix this?
Edit: I fixed it by adding "|250px" at the end of the file name.
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Do not split Luigi's Twin from Luigi 2-3-17
This split was brought up more than a decade ago in this proposal but the proposer failed to clarify what he meant and it was misinterpreted by those who opposed it. When playing as Luigi in Super Mario Galaxy, the NPC Luigi that you'd normally rescue when playing as Mario still shows up and has completely different dialogue when speaking to the playable Luigi. Rosalina refers to the NPC Luigi as the playable Luigi's "twin". This would mean the inverse would be true as well; The playable Luigi is the NPC Luigi's twin. For those who opposed in the past proposal on this topic, this proposal would not be splitting every appearance of Luigi into different articles, it would only be splitting the Luigi who quite literally appears in the same room as the playable Luigi. The playable and NPC Luigi have different heights and one is silent and is more brave and courageous whereas the other is more cautious and has a lot to say. Regarding which Luigi to split into the Luigi's Twin article, we could split either into the article since there is not confirmation on which is the real Luigi and which is the impostor. However, I would consider the playable Luigi to be the "twin" since the NPC Luigi's actions are much more accurate to Luigi's character and we see Luigi show up in Super Mario Galaxy 2 as an NPC before said NPC is later unlocked as a playable character.
Proposer: Pizza Master (talk) Deadline: October 13, 2024, 23:59 GMT
Support (Split playable Luigi from "Super Luigi Galaxy" campaign as Luigi's Twin)
Camwoodstock (talk) This makes more sense to us, personally. The idea seems to be that the NPC Luigi is the "Twin", while the Luigi you play as is just Luigi. The memetic pop-up does say "You can now play as Luigi", after all, not "You can now play as Luigi's Twin" or anything like that. If we have to give this weird phenomenon an article (and to be honest here, we think it has some merit covering this weirdness in its own article), this feels like the simpler--and probably more logical--split to make.
Nintendo101 (talk) This proposal misapplies a narrative framing device in Super Mario Galaxy made by the developers to justify the inclusion of a playable Luigi - a decision made when the game was nearly completed, with the original intent being that the NPC Luigi would be the only Luigi - to suggest one of these Luigis is a discrete character from the other. This is not the case. It is not supported in the game's script or its paratext (guidebook, booklet, interview, encyclopedia, official websites, etc.), and does not consider the fact that there have been multiple iterations of the same character on screen throughout the franchise's history — from Donkey Kong Jr. to the ScareScraper mode in Luigi's Mansion 3. Both playable and non-playable iterations of Luigi in Super Mario Galaxy are the same character, and neither should receive a dedicated article from the other.
Hewer (talk) From what I can gather, the game treats them both as Luigi and is very vague about the matter, to the point that any split would feel speculative (the whole last sentence of this proposal is pure speculation, which isn't a good sign). It's possible to have more than one of the same character; the logic of "there's two of them so they must be separate characters" (also used for the former "Boom Boom species" split) shouldn't be applied to a franchise like this one that often doesn't bother trying to make narrative sense, hence the "don't read between the lines" rule. Also note that both of the other cases brought up in the original proposal, Boom Boom and Pink Donkey Kong Jr., have since been merged (the latter being especially notable given the "Junior (II)" distinction in the manual, comparable to the "twin" thing).
Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) - Would we even know which one is the "main" Luigi? It's speculative from that especially. (Granted, this makes me want to re-examine the Paper Jam situation...)
Shy Guy on Wheels (talk) Per all. I really don't see this as any different from multiple people being able to play as Luigi in Mario Kart or Smash. The Pink Donkey Kong Jr. comparison is very apt as well.
Jdtendo (talk) They are two incarnations of Luigi, and we cannot know for sure which one is the twin. By the way, there is already a page about Luigi's twin.
Mario (talk) Luigi's twin is me, Mario!!! Per all!!!
YoYo (talk) See it like this, if I was playing Mario Kart as Bowser, and I encounter another Bowser, does that suddenly mean we should create a page for both Bowsers? It's the same character it's just two instances of them, arguably "Super Luigi Galaxy" isn't "canon".
Camwoodstock's argument makes sense as a (mostly) non-speculative way to split the two Luigis. Also, the NPC Luigi is actually referred to by something other than simply Luigi ("your twin" by Rosalina) that would imply that the two characters are different people unlike with "Pink Donkey Kong Jr./Jr (II)" where the Pink one is just implied to be the P2 version of DKJR. Also, the playable Luigi races against Cosmic Luigi and functions almost identically to Mario whereas the NPC Luigi does their own thing and finds hidden stars that the player can't find. NPC Luigi (or Luigi's twin) in this argument functions more as a mechanic of the game than the actual Luigi and therefore should be documented as a minor mechanic (that is also a character) of Super Mario Galaxy akin to the Co-Star Luma or Allies of the Mario Party series.--Pizza Master 16:53, September 29, 2024 (EDT)
Any speculation should ideally be avoided, big or small. And Luigi's roles (and degree of similarity to Mario) vary often between games. Luigi being an NPC side character is hardly unheard of (Super Mario Odyssey, Mario RPG, most Paper Mario games, etc.). Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 17:02, September 29, 2024 (EDT)
At least in our vote's case, we would appreciate a split for the Luigi NPC that happens to also be there if you, yourself, are playing as Luigi; since Rosalina claims it's his twin, and that seems to be about as official explanation as we're about to get. We do admit that this is a comically niche article, but we still think it has more merit than Junior (II), who was quite literally just a palette swap that received zero acknowledgement as being unique outside the manual. In contrast, the "duplicate" NPC Luigi being described as the playable Luigi's twin is given a direct comment. ~Camwoodstock(talk) 03:25, September 30, 2024 (EDT)
@Camwoodstock I personally do not think there should be any split because I think it misrepresents Super Mario Galaxy and Luigi's roles in the game. However, if anything, the NPC is the one designed to be the only Luigi in the game and has his traditional proportions. The playable one was a late addition to the title, and has the same model as Mario to make it easier to include. All they did was replace his head with the NPC Luigi's. - Nintendo101 (talk) 18:44, September 30, 2024 (EDT)
That would be like treating it as a re-release or DLC which it isn't, it's just playing through the exact same game again with a different character and dialogue and level name changes to accomodate it (mostly just changing "Mario" to "Luigi"). The Cosmic Clones' behavior in the races is the only real difference. Nightwicked Bowser 07:54, September 30, 2024 (EDT)
Should we split the playable Dr. Mario from Super Smash Bros as a separate character from his regular page then? After all, he's clearly a separate character from Mario. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 12:48, September 30, 2024 (EDT)
@Pizza Master modes typically do no receive dedicated articles, and I also do not think this one would really benefit from having one. Very little changes when the player takes control of Luigi. It is not a fundamentally different campaign, unlike things like Bowser's Fury or New Super Luigi U. - Nintendo101 (talk) 18:44, September 30, 2024 (EDT)
I see. --Pizza Master 19:10, September 30, 2024 (EDT)
"The secondary protagonist of the Super Mario franchise"
I agree wholeheartedly that Luigi is the second biggest figure in the franchise, but, not to be a nerd here, I think the better term would be "deuteragonist", as the deuteragonist is the second most important character in a story, and that's basically what Luigi is. That would make "deuteragonist" and "secondary protagonist" the same thing. 98.114.59.56 17:41, December 13, 2024 (EST)
I believe the terminology has been used before for this article but editors favored "secondary protagonist" due to being less jargony; "deuteragonist" is not a very common term. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 17:49, December 13, 2024 (EST)
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Resplit 11-0 Leo Luster is just a more charismatic version of Bluster Kong that looks nearly identical yet they have their own article. Casanova Koopa or Kassanova Koopa (idk which is correct) looks different from Luigi and like Leo is just a more charismatic Luigi. Also, if this proposal passes then we should also split Lady Fettuccini Alfredo, Wendy's human form from the same episode.
Proposer: Pizza Master (talk) Deadline: January 29, 2025, 23:59 GMT
Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) - As long as Fettucine gets split too, that seems fine with me. After all, Koopa Zombie is a related thing, and there's also things like Rookie - and that one and Leo don't involve changes in species.
Tails777 (talk) At first glance, I'd probably oppose. But since A. Leo Luster has been resplit and B. Kootie Pie's alter ego would also be split, I don't see why not. Per proposal.
You see, the images that are on main page aren't supposed to be fully protected. Anyway, I've replaced this image to this one, so I though that you'll delete the old one and semi-protect the new one. SWFlash
My apologies, it was a mistake, I usually protect them to block out non-autoconfirmed users, but for some reason beyond me, I effed up and protected it to be admin only. @_@ XzelionETC
Friends
I never asked. Do you want to be friends? =P Supremo 10:34, 16 July 2011 (EDT)
I'm interested in this and don't really want to see it go to waste. If you don't mind, would you give me some more information on it before I look into signing up? - Turboo(Talk)
Well, my original plan was for the Wiki to be able to play this game together, as odd as that sounds. If you have ever been around the Wiki (I'm sure you have), then you know how it is with users making edits everywhere. I wanted it to act as an improvement drive for said game, sadly however, it hasn't drawn much attention and I, due to my hectic life haven't been able to give it the time and leadership it needs. I'd appreciate your sign-up, but I've asked SMB to put it on hold till I'm able to help out like I should be. XzelionETC
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I'm interested in joining. I can't create one, so can you please make an account for me? (With same username for that account and the forum's) Thanks. MarioJC
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I want my username to be "DKPetey99" and I have a forum account on this wiki. My name is "DKPetey99". DKPetey99TCE 08:17, 21 July 2011 (EDT)
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Userpedia
I made my page and thanks a lot for creating an account. I also want to sign up for the userpedia mario kart game. Can you make me artwork for that by using this and this, but without the King Boo? Please?!!!??? DKPetey99TCE 19:40, 21 July 2011 (EDT)
I made an oops.
I accidentally created pages Template:DemeGeek/Sig/Sig and DemeGeek/Sig/Sig while trying to edit User:DemeGeek/Sig/Sig... Can you please delete them?
Hello! I wanted to create an account on Userpedia, but it seems I needed to consult an administrator, and I was told that you might be able to help me. So please if it's possible, can you help me get an account on Userpedia? If so then thank you very much!
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Can you make me an acount on Userpedia? Yoshidude99
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question?
My proposal on splitting the Giant Banana article hits its 4 week deadline today and it's not looking like either side will reach a 3 vote margin so when i archive it should i just archive it as failed or should a mention that it reached its deadline and that's why it failed Goomba's Shoe15 (talk)
RE: Dude
Not a whole lot man, to be honest I didn't know you still edited yourself. :P YELLOWYOSHI398
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Can you make me an account for UserPedia? Please? 'Cause, YoshiDude99 was gonna ask you...
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Another person you probably don't know asking for a Userpedia account
I have a forum account already, name there is Dr. Javelin with a period instead of my wiki account which has none. I'd like the same name as this account. Dr Javelin (talk)
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I just KNEW you would say what you just said about sarcasm! But seriously, why are you not banned? You are rude and a troll with a rank. You call users morons, you flame, you ruin the wiki. From what I've seen, you were better as GG. Niiue - Who has lost his tail?
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Can you create an account for me there? My forum name is "Mario and Luigi". Mario & Luigi
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in hopes of an account, --robokoopa(Talk) 15:19, 31 December 2011 (EST)
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Big Bubble
Where do they appear in Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix? I watched a video of that Ghost House and didn't see one. Screenshot, please? YoshiCookie (talk) 10:15, 10 December 2015 (EST)
I'm surprised that you've got 37 archives, even more than Porplemontage, who has only 13 archives! Seriously, do you hold the "Number of Pages Archived MarioWiki Record"?! Mari0fan100 (talk) 18:33, 10 January 2019 (EST)
Curious Question
Out of Curiosity, What did the redirect, Super Mario Bros. 5, redirect to. You deleted it. So I'm curious to know. --Partier (talk) 00:49, July 23, 2019 (EDT)
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Flip-Flop Folk category
The article "Flip-Flop Folk" and its category were deleted as a result of this proposal, please can you run a bot to remove "Category:Flip-Flop Folk" from all articles? Nightwicked Bowser 20:25, October 29, 2024 (EDT)
Actually, can you wait on that? It's a lot easier for me to keep track of who needs the new categories with the Flip-Flop Folk one. I'll let you know when I'm done moving everything over, then you can run it. Technetium (talk) 20:27, October 29, 2024 (EDT)
Ok, you're all good to run it now! Technetium (talk) 21:08, October 29, 2024 (EDT)
Actually I'm stupid, there is no bot to run now that all instances of the category were manually removed by me, lol. Technetium (talk) 21:19, October 29, 2024 (EDT)
Recent proposal
As a result of this proposal passing, I'm requesting that some links be changed. IF any more should be, I will add more, but for now, here are my requested changes:
The title of Mario Bros. have returned has been changed to Mario Bros. Returns, would you be able to change all the image categories for the game? — Lady Sophie(T|C) 08:11, November 21, 2024 (EST)
Thank you! — Lady Sophie(T|C) 10:03, November 21, 2024 (EST)
A little more help with the "Multilang profile" template
I appreciate the contributions you have made to {{Multilang profile}} over time.
I just logged a new edit on the template that seeks to prioritize English descriptions over the others by making the latter collapsible. However, due to the various set-ups of this template, many instances of it on the wiki are displaying content improperly. Specifically, the non-English descriptions will not go inside the collapsible space when the template (a) shows the type of description and (b) has both English and non-English descriptions. You can see an example here. I would like to know why this happens.
I decided not to make the non-English descriptions collapsible when there aren't any English ones because the purpose of this change would be moot--there's no sense prioritizing English text that isn't there. -- KOOPACONCARNE 17:07, December 8, 2024 (EST)
Happy to help. So... the parser didn't like combining asterisks from multiple different functions within the columns div. For whatever reason. --Steve (talk) 21:44, December 8, 2024 (EST)
How to merge accounts
Hi, on Triforce Wiki LTL's lost his account credentials and needs to make a new one, how would I go about merging his edit history to the new one? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:48, December 29, 2024 (EST)
You would need the UserMerge extension to do that. But I would forget that and just manually change the password on the account. --Steve (talk) 13:52, December 29, 2024 (EST)
Great, thanks! That sounds a lot easier. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:11, December 29, 2024 (EST)
How do you make this template visible while logged out? -- KOOPACONCARNE 15:34, January 26, 2025 (EST)
Thank you so much for solving this issue. I have one more request; I think it would be useful if the "documented" parameter was used to split articles into a category called "Lost media with advanced wiki documentation". Setting these articles aside would make it easier for people with an interest in such things to navigate the subjects that are in a more dire need of attention. If you agree, I'd like to ask if you can add this function to the template. I would have performed this action on my own, but the template is currently protected. -- KOOPACONCARNE 16:57, January 26, 2025 (EST)
Trivia to Notes
Hello. I'm new editor here. I was wondering why "Trivia" was changed to "Notes"? Sprig Plantar (talk) 19:20, February 2, 2025 (EST)
Heya! Sorry to bother, but we had a question. On the Super Mario Bros. Special gallery, we wanted to give some of the entries there (namely, a good portion of the sprites) a #00F background, like how they appear in-game. Kinda like how the Super Mario Bros. gallery uses the in-game sky colors. However, uh, it turns out that it's not that simple, as it relies on classes, and using style is seemingly out of the question as well. Do you have any potential ideas for a more dynamic version of the classes we already have, like something that allows one to manually specify hex code (that way, if a similar issue like this crops up, we don't need to keep updating the CSS sheet for every new class we need for every new unique background); or failing that, just adding #00F to the available colors for classes? ~Camwoodstock(talk) 14:10, February 9, 2025 (EST)
Clear your cache and take a look at this. --Steve (talk) 14:56, February 9, 2025 (EST)
That's perfect for our purposes, thank you very much!! ~Camwoodstock(talk) 15:01, February 9, 2025 (EST)
Math in tables
Does WikiMedia have a feature for tables where, say, one cell displays a value based on a math formula that uses values entered in other cells, like in Excel? -- KOOPACONCARNE 14:09, February 12, 2025 (EST)
EDIT: For instance, a three-column table where the third column displays the result of 2x+y, where x and y are variables shown in the previous two columns, like so, except automated somehow:
Thank you so much! I would like to ask you one more math-related question: how do I check if a number is a natural number using MediaWiki syntax? -- KOOPACONCARNE 19:10, February 12, 2025 (EST)
Would it be possible to enable this feature for non-logged-in visitors? I ask because of my dark mode proposal.--Pizza Master 17:38, February 13, 2025 (EST)
It's better to keep it to logged-in users for server performance, but I guess we can give it a try if that proposal passes. --Steve (talk) 11:03, February 14, 2025 (EST)
Text replacement: MC Ballyhoo, Big Top
currently working on redirecting all the formerly-separate MC Ballyhoo & Big Top links to the merged page. is this something that can be automated? — eviemaybe (talk / contributions) 13:41, February 14, 2025 (EST)
Do yay want some? I can try, but I can't promise I could make you some. I'll leave a message if I successfuly do if you want me to. The thing is you see that Waluigi on the Welcome Banner of my talk/user page? That, I edited from ONE pose to make like 22! One includes that. So, I can try, but again, I can't promise anything.
Minimariolover10: Woot :Care for some NSMB sprites if I can?
EDT2: I might, or maybe I could do how I made a Mini Mario, paste textures on your sprite. Trust me, it'll be fine, and if I do do it, I'll send it on your Talk Page in Userpedia, so be aware. Oh! And good luck starting NSMB srpites. Practice makes perfect! [User:Minimariolover10|
Minimariolover10]]: Woot :Care for some tea?
I'm working on some! So, in in about 2 hours or so, go to Userpedia where you will get NSMB sprites. Typically, it's sidescrolling. And, since I will be in yours, may you PLZ be in my comic? Sign in at Userpedia plz (Comics:Minimariolover10's Mis-Adventures). [User:Minimariolover10|
Minimariolover10]]: Woot :Care for some comics?
EDT3: Wait..Id din't get it. You don't want to be i my comic? Oke dokey. And I'm almost done with a sample of your NSMB sprite, if you want to see it. Just need to finish your dice and add more texture to your skin. Do you also want Twink in the sprites?
Minimariolover10: Woot :Care for some tea?
EDT6: I'm going to be a pain and so no. I'm gonna have to post it on Userpedia. Looka t your Talk Page, not reply plz.
Minimariolover10: Woot :Care for some talk pages?
OK, I made a sample of the NSMB you. Tell me if you think it's NSMB styled or not *hueh*.
EDT7: But it would be considered pillowed since it's NSMB styled. And, I plan to mak emore maybe tomorrow whenenver you think I should. I gotta do more stuff and such.
EDT8: No, I can't on MFGG. But the sheet will be a LONG time, sorry. Maybe in a week. I'm too tempted to edit the Wiki now. Plus I have to make some messages to other users, and I'll get new messages while doing that, so..yeah I'm too busy right now.
Minimariolover10: Woot :Care for some tea?
oK, there probably won't be alot, geez i wish i had someone to help me, what i'm talking about is all these requests, i got a ton of them, and one by october.
I guess I'll have you run and fly, either know it'll be hard for running because I have to lasso Mario's shoes just right. Minimariolover10TALK TO ME ABOUT MINIES!!
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I'm deleting my spritesheets and moving them to ImageShack. So, can you make an animated gif of me walking platform style in M&LSS? Go to Moving, Left or Right, I truly donts care.
He'll be back. He didn't delete the talkpages and user page. I think it's what ya do when ya leaving for good. Minimariolover10TALK TO ME ABOUT MINIES!! Also he probably won't reply to you soon Fg.
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your brother needs to be a little nicer to everyone...
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Sheesh Your brother is irriatating me on chat the other day and he definitely has an attitude.So what's up with your brother?Sorry to tell you this again but this is ticking me off...
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Proposal: Add to-do tasks on Main Page
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Add to-do tasks 29-0
On nookipedia's main page they have a to-do list. I love how it lists the exact number of to-do tasks, based on the number within select maintenance categories, and the exact specifics. It seems like a perfect way to motivate people to edit and see ways how they can help. Because I think a question many ask while doing wikis is, "What do I do? Where do I start?" And having a to-do tasklist on the front page would be perfect for that. It's a lot more accessible than "Wiki maintenance" on the sidebar.
I don't have a particular visual in mind, especially images representing the maintenance categories on the front page, but I do imagine it would go right above the "Featured article" and "Mario & Nintendo news" boxes.
But what is a definite is that if this proposal passes, a to-do list similar to Nookipedia's will appear on the front page.
Proposer: Super Mario RPG (talk) Deadline: January 1, 2025, 23:59 GMT Closed early on December 25, 2024, 23:59 GMT
Sparks (talk) If it's a way to provide more motivation and encouragement, yes!
Koopa con Carne (talk) this is a productive idea. Wikis are community-developed projects. One way the Mario Wiki can drive interest in potential new contributors is promoting its areas that need improvement. If there are concerns that this would make the wiki seem lacunar to visitors, think about it this way: if this site was the perfect resource of information on the Mario series, no one would bother to build it further, no? I think the site should embrace its current incompleteness and use it to achieve even better things than it already has.
Camwoodstock (talk) ...If the fact that seeing the "This page has an unresolved talk page proposal!" on the front page caught our attention as much as it did (seriously, we physically paused seeing that, wondering what the commotion was about!), we imagine that having a dedicated section on the main page for things that need help would be noticeably impactful as well. We could even take this a step further and integrate things like the Shroom Spotlight onto it as well, maybe show recent proposals that need help being implemented... Really, the sky's the limit when adding a "things to be done" module to the front page.
Pseudo (talk) Seems useful for keeping up wiki maintenance!
Rykitu (talk) After I finish looking to see the new pages and checking my contributions, I often find myself scrolling through the wiki to find ways to improve. This will make the process much faster.
EvieMaybe (talk) while i think this proposal is currently a bit too vague regarding the execution, i agree with the idea! we need to acknowledge that the wiki is never finished and encourage people to contribute
OmegaRuby (talk) A total no-brainer to get wiki editors to find things to do. Per all.
ThePowerPlayer (talk) At this point, whenever I visit the front page of the wiki, I almost always immediately go to MarioWiki:Proposals to see what's the latest thing on the wiki that could be discussed or worked on. This feels like simply cutting out the middleman, and would no doubt encourage that productive mindset.
So, what kind of tasks do you imagine will be on the front page? What's going to determine which to-do is on the page? It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 18:57, December 18, 2024 (EST)
That's a very good question. I definitely think some of the things would be articles marked with {{rewrite}}, images marked with {{image-quality}}, articles marked with {{unreferenced}}, or a majority of articles marked with some maintenance tag at the top. And then some special pages like Special:WantedPages and Special:UnusedFiles being incorporated in some form as well. Super Mario RPG (talk) 19:05, December 18, 2024 (EST)
I think doing as Nookipedia does is a good option - they pretty much put links to articles with nearly every maintenance tag on it, as well as linking to "active discussions" which would be their version of Proposals. We could have fun with it and choose image icons for them or even draft up our own to fit with the style of the main page! Just throwing ideas out there. OmegaRuby [ Talk / Contribs ] 20:19, December 18, 2024 (EST)
Maybe I am a little late to the discussion but I would appreciate a definitive layout instead of "maybe some of those, and some others like that". It doesn't need to be unchangeable, just something like "here's what I think it should have." — Lady Sophie(T|C) 10:41, December 23, 2024 (EST)
With over 20 supporters, we'll find out soon enough. Super Mario RPG (talk) 11:03, December 23, 2024 (EST)
At the very least, we think having what Nookipedia does is a no-brainer, though as mentioned in our vote, listing passed proposals that haven't been enacted yet (either newly passed or the oldest ones, whatever people decide is more conductive) and the current Shroom Spotlights couldn't hurt. ~Camwoodstock(talk) 20:22, December 18, 2024 (EST)
It's worth noting that in recent months, Bulbapedia has introduced a Bulletin Board that's very similar to Nookipedia's to-do list in its premise. That page is part of a broader Editor's Hub, accessed by clicking "Lend a Hand" on the wiki's main page. For what this proposal outlines, maybe the to-do list could link to its own page that lists specific tasks for different categories. (This might be unrelated, but Bulbapedia's "Community editing projects" remind me of the Mario Wiki's long-deprecated PipeProjects.) ThePowerPlayer 00:48, December 19, 2024 (EST)
After reading and talking in conversations yesterday in the Discord, I realized something: Isn't this just kind of an extended concept of what 'Shroom Spotlight wants to do? Perhaps we could work in tandem with it, having an element on the to-do list be a link to the Spotlight page/current Spotlight edition, and possibly having the Spotlight mention the to-do alongside unimplemented proposals. OmegaRuby [ Talk / Contribs ] 12:20, December 19, 2024 (EST)
@OmegaRuby A good paint raised. If anything, I think this will help Shroom Spotlight because it help them access articles more easily from each of the maintenance categories. Super Mario RPG (talk) 13:40, December 19, 2024 (EST)
Would there be a way to track red links too? I think this could be very useful --Conradd (talk) 14:50, December 23, 2024 (EST)
Other changes?
Since the addition of to-do tasks is really popular, I'm prompted to bring up a few small things with the main page are visually irritating to me:
The left and right floats are separate and not merged into a single float on the left and right each, excluding the topmost float, the Shroom notice, and NIWA banner. The small, unaligned white spaces between the floats doesn't look good.
The heading colors could be worth considering, if they're too bright (especially the "MarioWiki newspaper" one, but that's for another discussion.
The social links aren't close together on the uppermost float, and may work better with a float within the uppermost float.Super Mario RPG (talk) 11:00, December 23, 2024 (EST)
I honestly feel like we'd need a visualization of this as well as your proposed to-do list if we were to go any further with this. Having a proposal passed with no clear idea of what the changes will look like doesn't prompt the changes to be put in effect nearly as fast as it would with a true visualization or example. OmegaRuby [ Talk / Contribs ] 10:30, December 24, 2024 (EST)
Pretty much why I haven't voted, even if the outcome is obviously clear at this point. — Lady Sophie(T|C) 10:57, December 24, 2024 (EST)
Yeah, I think I jumped the gun a few days ahead of time with this discussion because I wasn't expecting this to become one of the most popular proposals in presumably the site's history. I'll try and set up a sandbox for what I'm considering in a few days. Super Mario RPG (talk) 11:35, December 24, 2024 (EST)
The separate floats allow the page's layout to rearrange dynamically depending on the amount of content in them and the size of your screen, I wouldn't mess with them. --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 11:58, December 24, 2024 (EST)
I get that. It's about the unevenness in that the end of a float on the left or right side doesn't match the same length of a float on the other side. Super Mario RPG (talk) 14:36, December 24, 2024 (EST)
Personally I like the unevenness. It is visually more interesting to me than a rigid grid.— Lady Sophie(T|C) 09:50, December 25, 2024 (EST)
@LadySophie17 Well looks like the unevenness is sort of resolved on my monitor with the implementation of the new to-do tasks. Super Mario RPG (talk) 20:17, December 25, 2024 (EST)
Another thing is that I think the navigation at the top right is limited. Though I'm aware it's only links to list pages, I think it would nice if there was a way to access all the pages for like Objects or Terms from the front page. Super Mario RPG (talk) 20:27, December 25, 2024 (EST)
An extra remark; in the current implementation, the counters are all on one row that breaks its line depending on screen width. We keep our browser window at 1280px (long story, tl;dr we have one monitor but have our windows organized accordingly) and it looks... Weird. Unused files, wanted categories, and wanted pages all take up a row all to itself, right below. Everything else. We think a more rigid, grid-like layout (like the Nookipedia one this proposal was inspired by) might help remedy this, though it will inevitably make things taller on displays that are already wide enough to display it... ~Camwoodstock(talk) 21:53, December 25, 2024 (EST)
@Camwoodstock To be honest, I like the Nookipedia main page more than this site's since there's more personality to it that's reflective of Animal Crossing, while there's a lack of Super Mario identity to the front page of this wiki. Nookipedia also has the social media links grouped together (a point I've brought up above), and I actually like how the heading floats are separate from the floats with the contents within them, since purple in a light blue float, red in a light blue float, so forth don't seem to mix well, at least from my perspective. Super Mario RPG (talk) 10:21, December 26, 2024 (EST)
MarioWiki definitely needs a kind of visual aid to accompany this to-do list just to make it easier to actually locate the category. Nookipedia at least has unified game assets from hundreds of furniture pieces to choose from. MarioWiki might actually need custom sprites or something to match this. Unless we have something??? Anyway I was hesitant to support the proposal since it lacked a solid groundwork, but it's not a big deal if we can manage. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 15:14, December 26, 2024 (EST)
@Mario There should be more than enough Super Mario assets to consider to add into the to-do tasks, but I think they have to be PNG's. Super Mario RPG (talk) 15:23, December 26, 2024 (EST)
Yes, but my concern is if have enough assets with the same art style. Nookipedia can use all its assets from one game, New Horizons (Happy Home Designer years ago). MarioWiki doesn't really have much of an equivalent. However, maybe one can first propose a set of images we can decide at least? It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 15:52, December 26, 2024 (EST)
So you're saying the images have to all be from the same game? Super Mario RPG (talk) 15:54, December 26, 2024 (EST)
I recommend they have the same style, like should we use settle on a particular sprite style or a 3d render style? Or maybe a vector style? Something to fit the tone of the Super Mario franchise. I'd like to see a preview of this first. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 15:57, December 26, 2024 (EST)
Yeah, I can try making it on my user sandbox. Super Mario RPG (talk) 16:22, December 26, 2024 (EST)
While I like the concept of the to-do list, at least in my opinion I think merging it with the announcement bar makes it feel... sidelined, in a way. The announcement gets a bit overshadowed due to being easy to overlook the pure text when it's sharing space with a bunch of boxes; I think it'd be better to split them into a separate announcement bar and to-do list bar. It wouldn't take up THAT much more vertical space and being in its own bar means the text draws notice again. Superchao (talk)
The To-do list has been updated now to separate each category into certain groups. These groups are "Community discussions", "Article maintenance", "Page maintenance" and "File maintenance". While I appreciate the changes (and thank whoever implemented it, as the layout is one I proposed), there's still a lot of room for improvement, so here are a few ideas.
Group names: We could display the names above each group. These could be the ones I proposed above, or we could discuss and change them.
Unique colors: Many of the categories here have associated colors to them, such as the {{construction}}'s orange or the {{Image-quality}}'s yellow. We could color each box with its corresponding color if it has one, and pick one if it hasnt. Additionally, we could change some existing colors to create better cohesion between them. This all requires further discussion but off the top of my head, I know {{Media-quality}} and {{Media-length}} use the {{Image-quality}}'s yellow, but the {{Media missing}} template uses purple, so perhaps that should be color for the other two media templates.
Icons: I think the use of icons is a good idea for the front page, and I agree they should be unified in design and probably not just regular shrunk renders. The issue comes in the sheer number of categories (I don't even know how many there are, since they disappear if there are zero pages that qualify for it). So instead of picking a dozen or so icons, we could just pick four for the current groups.
Sorry if this is a lot, but we can tackle everything step by step.— Lady Sophie(T|C) 17:08, December 27, 2024 (EST)
On my sandbox page, you can see a rough idea I have about grouping the social media icons together, including text of each site name, though I currently haven't figured out how to add a white bubble around them like the List pages on the left. Does anyone think this works better than the icons disorganized on the left and right? Super Mario RPG (talk) 18:10, December 27, 2024 (EST)
Update, looks like they've been added, so consider this one done. Super Mario RPG (talk) 23:16, December 27, 2024 (EST)
Actually, since we're talking about adding icons to the maintenance bubbles, I was wondering if the same could be done for bubble in the upper right, like a representative image for list of games, characters, items, merchandise, and so forth. I don't think it would make sense to add images to the maintenance categories but not an illustration per each subject. The changes have also been added to my sandbox page (though it should definitely look better than this if we're to utilize it). However, the floats will probably either have to be divided or different representative images to choose for each subject if we're to go for this idea. Super Mario RPG (talk) 18:21, December 27, 2024 (EST)
One thing we noticed is that, for some reason, the maintenance section isn't appearing on mobile. At least, not for us. We did clear our cache, and set it to browser mode, but still, nothing. Unsure if this is a "it just doesn't work on our machine" thing, or if this is a more reliable thing? Point is, we know some people edit this wiki on mobile sometimes, and if this is somehow not showing up for them, that might be a predicament. ;P ~Camwoodstock(talk) 11:02, December 29, 2024 (EST)
We figure we should ask this here, in a more "people can see it whenever" place; at one point, it was mentioned that we could give the various categories little icons, though that does raise the question of what images we use for each maintenance category (not helped by the fact that categories without images are hidden, making it annoying to find a full list of categories we need images for.) In addition, there's also the rather silly question of where exactly we put the images. We know a few images were suggested over on the Discord, though would it be worth a more concentrated effort to add these icons? ~Camwoodstock(talk) 23:07, December 29, 2024 (EST)
If it captivates the charm of the Super Mario franchise, then definitely. On another note, @Mario's okay with either standard bullet list or compact icons within the list pages to the upper right. Super Mario RPG (talk) 23:45, December 29, 2024 (EST)
Add Account services and Changing username?
I was wondering if the links to MarioWiki:Account services and MarioWiki:Changing username could be added to the main page since they appear to be used fairly often, and this may help others notice and use them, given that they abide by the guidelines, of course. Super Mario RPG (talk) 08:37, December 31, 2024 (EST)
No need since they're listed on the help contents, which is linked. --Steve (talk) 11:26, December 31, 2024 (EST)
Proposal: Remove “references” from the front page header
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Remove "references" from the front page 14-1
We’re all more than familiar with the front page of the wiki by now, including its header on the top. There, beneath our article count, one can find multiple links related to the wiki, its practices, and its extended community… with one exception: the references link.
In the context of wiki info, at first glance I would assume “references” to mean “a list of references that the wiki pulls from.” Especially next to the words “glossary” and “about”, this seems like a natural assumption. I don’t mean that as a thought experiment, either. I actually assumed that’s what the page was until I first clicked onto it, and was confused to discover that it was more information related to the franchise itself.
It feels like an odd place for a “references in other media” link to live. None of the other links there cover content related directly to the Mario franchise – that’s what the links in the righthand bubble are for. While I believe a link to “references in other media” could belong on the front page in that bubble, it’s probably better to take this step-by-step, and have our first step be removing “references” from that portion of the page. Then if that’s agreed upon, there could be a discussion of what it should replace on the right, if anything.
Proposer: Roserade (talk) Deadline: January 16th, 2025, 23:59 GMT Closed early on January 9, 2025, 23:59 GMT
Sparks (talk) Per proposal. It is strange to have this in the middle of information about the wiki.
Camwoodstock (talk) Per proposal and comments below, especially from @Mario--this feels way more fit for the bullet points on the side, not alongside things like our Help or Maintenance pages.
MarioComix (talk) Per proposal, definitely seems like an odd spot for it. If one is worried about keeping the formatting symmetrical as it is now, perhaps adding a link to Introduction would work as a replacement, since Help was telling me to go there first anyway.
PaperSplash (talk) Yeah, that is a misleading link title and odd place to put it. I'm not against it still being on the front page itself but it's definitely out of place on the header and perhaps should be given a more clear title.
Wonder Time! (talk) Per all, didn't make much sense in the first place.
Oppose
Wonder Time! (talk) I'm probably not worth listening to, but I feel that the 'References" link is nice because otherwise that page would probably be buried in the list of unused pages, anyhow, and then would be moved to deletion. Then again, if the plan is just to move it somewhere else and not remove it completely, than that might not be a good argument.
I'm not going to vote (not now at least), but maybe the "references" link is there to show how popular the Mario franchise is in real life and how culturally significant it is? Sparks (talk) 18:05, January 2, 2025 (EST)
That is definitely the function of the page overall, I just feel like its current placement of the link with its title is misleading to what the page is. Roserade (talk) 18:09, January 2, 2025 (EST)
It is strange to see it just grouped with information relating to the wiki. I feel this could be included in the bulleted list to the right of the information (where "characters", "publications" etc. are). Just a suggestion though. Sparks (talk) 18:14, January 2, 2025 (EST)
This is what I point out at the end of the proposal. I think this is viable and probably preferable, but I didn't want to muddy the choices on this initial proposal by making the question "should it go on the right, and if yes, what should it replace to maintain an even look, or does the list need to look even at all" etc etc etc Roserade (talk) 18:18, January 2, 2025 (EST)
"References", due to its placement, gives off the vibes that there are like common works MarioWiki sources from, like it's a list of resources for Mario fans. The placement is odd, and I think it would fit with the bullet list on the right. The Mario series does lend itself to plenty of cultural references and whatnot, so I still believe it should be on the front page. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 18:19, January 2, 2025 (EST)
In my mind, the stuff in the box to the right is all about our coverage of material straight from official sources. The references lists don't fall within that and are more of a "wiki project" of material that is unofficial but still of interest for us to catalog. The glossary list is a little bit similar as a project of ours but smaller in scope. --Steve (talk) 18:23, January 2, 2025 (EST)
Perhaps References could be relegated to the sidebar. Super Mario RPG (talk) 21:29, January 2, 2025 (EST)
Not against the idea of it being there, but all the other article links on the sidebar are also on the main page. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 21:36, January 2, 2025 (EST)
So, we should move it where the other links on the main page, y'know, "Games, Characters, Locations, etc." are. Wonder Time!
Regardless of outcome, having a list of regularly cited sources, perhaps a space that other users and copy and paste from for their own projects, sounds like a great idea. We should definitely have something like that. - Nintendo101 (talk) 19:13, January 2, 2025 (EST)
This was another thought I had while drafting this up. My initial assumption of what the reference page was would be a very cool feature for the wiki. Roserade (talk) 19:17, January 2, 2025 (EST)
@Wonder Time!: I don't think you understood the proposal correctly. The references pages will still be linked to in other places, and they certainly won't be deleted. This is just about removing that one specific out-of-place link on the main page. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 18:46, January 4, 2025 (EST)
You're right, I misunderstood the thing and now that I look, that IS an odd place to have it. I'm biased, 'cause I used that link a few times in my last year or so here, so being a noob I decided to vote against it. Can I change my vote retroactively? Wonder Time!
Yes, you can use the strikethrough to mark your former vote.--Platform (talk) 19:58, January 8, 2025 (EST)
Now that the proposal is over, are we going to move the "References" link to the right-hand bubble, or remove it entirely? Wonder Time!
Maintenance link
I think the to-do list is much more noticeable, does a lot more to inspire participation, and effectively makes the "Maintenance" link on the top float redundant. Not to mention it's already in the sidebar. Super Mario RPG (talk) 11:58, January 5, 2025 (EST)
So are other links on the top float. I think the maintenance page should stay, serving as an introduction of sorts to managing and maintaining the wiki - and then the to-do list serves as a hub for people who know what to do now through the maintenance page. OmegaRuby [ Talk / Contribs ] 14:11, January 6, 2025 (EST)
Main page colors
Continuing from @Mario's page per suggestion. I've recently learned of a proposal about accessibility on mainspace, which includes Main Page. I've taken a look at the five heading colors on the front page and got these results from webaim.org, with #FFF as the text color like on the Main page:
Featured article heading (#009D00). It has a contrast ratio of 3.6:1. It fails the WCAG AA and WCAG AAA tests when it's small text, but as large text it passes at WCAG AA but not WCAG AAA.
Mario & Nintendo news (#1C49FF). Contrast ratio is 6.09:1. It only fails WCAG AAA small text.
Community poll (#9B04FF). Contrast ratio is 5.44:1. It only fails WCAG AAA small text, like the aforementioned.
Did you know (#FF8000). Contrast ratio is 2.51:1. It fails both small and large WCAG AA and AAA tests.
Mushroom World Encyclopedia (#FF4868). Contrast ratio is 3.29:1. It fails both small and large AAA tests and passes only the large text AA.
The Shroom (#EC0000). Contrast ratio is 4.59:1. It only fails WCAG AAA small text.
Now granted, the border colors weren't in these tests, and they may affect the results of a few of them. But at least one of the headings is not meeting the WCAG AA guidelines, the Did you know, and two are not compliant with it as small text. Super Mario RPG (talk) 22:30, January 5, 2025 (EST)
I'm not sure if changing to fit smalltext is necessary or not, but it should be pretty easy to signal to someone to change the Did you know header slightly. OmegaRuby [ Talk / Contribs ] 13:46, January 7, 2025 (EST)
Part of me is uncertain as of what defines smalltext, since that could be relative to the screen size. I will say that I do think the darkened borders of each color heading is unnecessary. Super Mario RPG (talk) 13:49, January 7, 2025 (EST)
Darkening DYK to make sure it's complaint with WCAG AAA turns it into brown (which is really dark orange/dark red anyway); I've used #993B00. Maybe we should have black text to keep the "feel" of those colors? It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk)
Black text on the existing colors? I'd probably need to see a comparison/example as I'm uncertain about that OmegaRuby [ Talk / Contribs ] 22:39, January 7, 2025 (EST)
@Mario@OmegaRuby I think it could work, though definitely not on the existing colors (that'd definitely violate WCAG). Besides, it would look inconsistent if all the other headings use white text but then this one uses black text. On my sandbox I've tried some colors for if we're going to do black text for all of them while doing my best to capture the spirit behind the original colors. Super Mario RPG (talk) 22:55, January 7, 2025 (EST)
I think it looks good! I feel as though the removal of the borders around the colored cells is a bit off-putting in terms of consistency with the other cells on the main page. I think adding the borders would make this change perfect. OmegaRuby [ Talk / Contribs ] 07:59, January 8, 2025 (EST)
Honestly? Perfect. I would say make the borders on the colored headers darker values of the existing colors but I think it also looks good with the color used universally. I'd try and push this with a proposal explaining why the change is necessary (WCAG AA compliance for every colored header, improving accessibility). OmegaRuby [ Talk / Contribs ] 11:15, January 8, 2025 (EST)
Super Mario 64 isn't the only game with fall damage. DK64 has fall damage as well. The GBA version of Mario vs Donkey Kong also has fall damage, in which if you fall from a very high height, you lose a life (you only get stunned if you fall from a high height). Finally I don't know which other games has them.
Also ARGH I KEEP ACCIDENTALLY FORGETTING TO SIGN
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by ToadMushroom823 (talk).
I don't think the topic is broad enough to warrant a full article. Yes, fall damage is in multiple Super Mario games but I don't know if it's enough to actually need a full article. Also, I'm not sure if this is an appropriate space to suggest this - anyways, I suggest you make a proposal to have it reach more people. OmegaRuby [ Talk / Contribs ] 13:50, January 7, 2025 (EST)
Proposal: Lighten the heading colors
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canceled by proposer
This proposal continues from the discussion on an above section, where I checked the heading colors for each of the aforementioned sections and raised a concern that at least one of the headings (the Did you know) does not comply with WCAG AA, not only hindering accessibility slightly but also going against the rules established by this proposal, since the Main Page does is counted as a mainspace title. When @Mario suggested making the text colors black, I got to work on my sandbox to draft up new colors that not only has black text but tries to maintain the whimsical and colorful nature that the original colored headings had. They look much better now in my opinion.
So if this proposal passes, the heading colors will change to the ones in my sandbox. The colors and border colors could be slightly tweaked if needed.
Edit: Keep in mind for dark mode, we'd need to retain the current dark headings, or colors similar to it, to accommodate users who use dark mode. I think the CSS could make it so that light mode gets light headings whilst dark mode would consistently have dark headings.
YoYo (talk) dark mode does the inverse of what you want, you failed to take that into account.
Nintendo101 (talk) I like the vibrancy of the colors we have. Softer pastels are not really associated with Super Mario games. If the "Did You Know?" header is a legitimate issue for folks, I would recommend we just adjust that one.
Camwoodstock (talk) We don't particularly enjoy the pastels, and in the case of Dark Mode specifically, the readability for the 'Shroom header actually takes a notable hit, which is a pretty glaring oversight to us; this is the exact opposite of the intended effect!
Arend (talk) Current colors are fine; they don't hurt the eyes and are very Mario-esque in style.
MCD (talk) Per all, really don't see what the issue is with a bit of colour & agree with Camwoodstock that readability is worse on the sandbox (or the titles just don't stand out).
@YoYo I think there's CSS code that can allow colors to be inverted. Anyway, I've updated the proposal to address this. Super Mario RPG (talk) 15:08, January 8, 2025 (EST)
@Nintendo101 I don't think white on any shade of orange could meet accessibility standards, so if the black text is used for the "Did you know" that doesn't meet the WCAG AA standards, that'd make it inconsistent with the white text on other headings, and therefore look worse if it's all not consistent. Super Mario RPG (talk) 17:21, January 8, 2025 (EST)
Inconsistency is not inherently unattractive.
Does it even need to be orange? - Nintendo101 (talk) 17:52, January 8, 2025 (EST)
What other color do you suggest? Super Mario RPG (talk) 18:07, January 8, 2025 (EST)
WCAG
@OmegaRuby@Mario So with the above proposal, it's evident that the community here does not want pastel headings to remedy any potential WCAG AA accessibility problems, so I think the "Did you know" not meeting WCAG AA guidelines should be a staff decision? Super Mario RPG (talk) 12:32, January 10, 2025 (EST)
Guess so. I'm not sure what else you could do, and I don't have much ideas after the proposal failed. OmegaRuby [ Talk / Contribs ] 16:17, January 10, 2025 (EST)
What to do with References now
Making this its own talk header now that the proposal has officially wrapped up.
The question is what to do with the references link now that it's being moved. I personally hold that having it on the front page is a good call, and I would advocate for it to be relocated into the bulleted list. I also appreciate MarioComix's thought on replacing the References link with Introduction. But of course, any other suggestions would be welcome. Roserade (talk) 13:05, January 10, 2025 (EST)
The main question we have is, do we introduce a few more bullet points to go alongside References, or do we swap one of the pre-existing ones out for it? ~Camwoodstock(talk) 13:17, January 10, 2025 (EST)
I'd support more bullet points in addition to compact icons besides each of them, like Nookipedia's main page, as well as for the to-do list, but we haven't figured out the specifics for each set. Super Mario RPG (talk) 13:54, January 10, 2025 (EST)
I'm pretty torn between the two. On the one hand, I feel like all of the links currently on the front page are pretty important to have front-and-center, but on the other hand, I don't want three superfluous links tossed up front just because. Are there any other wiki pages that are in a similar "genre" to references - material that is a little on-the-edge of what's "official" Mario franchise content? Roserade (talk) 15:47, January 10, 2025 (EST)
Rename "pending" deletions/merges/moves/splits to "suggested"
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vetoed by the proprietor Slightly different version immediately put into effect
The phrasing of "pending" implies that it's already been decided and simply hasn't been implemented yet, which is inaccurate. "Suggested" conveys the point of the notice better, although I'm open to suggestions for alternate phrasings. If this passes, it would apply to both the front page template and the category names.
Proposer: EvieMaybe (talk) Deadline: January 25, 2025, 23:59 GMT
Salmancer (talk) I don't use those templates as absolutes, and neither does the text of the category pages or the templates that put articles in those categories. (The templates say they are based on the upcoming decision of a discussion/proposal, the categories say these are "requests". Best to resolve the disconnect now.
Just saying that Wapopedia changed the wiki name. You probably should change it in the main page. I mean, instead of Wapopedia, use Drawn To Life Wiki. Peace ✌️. Weegie baby (talk) 08:29, January 14, 2025 (EST)
It didn't change. It's always used multiple names. Their logo proudly mentions Wapopedia, so our main page says "Wapopedia: Drawn to Life" instead of "Drawn to Life Wiki: Drawn to Life" to get in a mention of the Wapopedia name as well. --Steve (talk) 09:25, January 14, 2025 (EST)
Proposal: Swap the spots of the To Do List and the Mushroom World Encyclopedia boxes
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do not swap 3-1-10
At least to me, it doesn't leave a good taste that one of the first things you see in the main page is a direct list of negatives/things to be fixed. That is for two reasons:
The way it's laid out at the top of the page. It was good user experience to have the news section to be immediately and largely visible right from the start, as well as the featured article as a taste of what the wiki has to offer. But now you have to scroll down a bit to see those things properly on desktop (more or less depending on zoom level and whatnot, but regardless). Now the list of stuff that is lacking feels more prominent than the content itself, and that is a bit sad.
It is plastered on there without any title, warning or introduction, almost as if it's passive-aggressively nudging whatever random reader stumbles there to just get on with fixing stuff.
And even though it was based on how Nookipedia does it, and they too have a To Do box on the top of their main page, their design and layout styles are very different from this wiki's, which, at least to me, makes it work there better than here.
The To Do List would fit nicely on the spot where the Mushroom World Encyclopedia currently is, where it is easily found but not as headline-level content, and where it could have a header like "Our To Do List". Likewise, the Mushroom World Encyclopedia section would be fitting at the spot where the To Do List is, though I'd suggest making it narrow on desktop.
Proposer: Bro Hammer (talk) Deadline: February 1, 2025, 23:59 GMT
Camwoodstock (talk) We don't see the to-do list as a "list of negatives", and it's not like it even appears if you aren't logged in anyway, so it's not really giving a poor first impression to casual browsers. If anything, it's very helpful to have a list of things that can be worked on front-and-center on the front page; having to try to scroll down to where it is would defeat a lot of the ease of use and utility purpose that the list has in the first place.
Nintendo101 (talk) Per Camwoodstock. While it may look intimidating, one is more than welcomed to help out with some of these issues if they are bothered by them. Many of them are small, bite-sized issues.
ThePowerPlayer (talk) All of the goals on the to-do list would be too cramped in the bottom right corner of the page. Conversely, the Mushroom World Encyclopedia box would have too much empty space if it was given the entire horizontal span of the page.
EvieMaybe (talk) i like having to-dos just there when i open the page, it's helpful. putting it out of the way would be counterproductive
CopyEditFlower (talk) Speaking as part of the audience of concern—I visit much more often than I edit—I didn’t even notice there was a to-do list on the main page till I saw this discussion linked at the top of that page. Maybe that’s an issue itself for the to-do list’s location, and that’s not for me to say, really. But if it’s a problem, it wouldn’t be the problem raised here.
SComic (talk) Per Camwoodstock. Also the Mushroom World Encyclopedia box is nice and cozy where it is. I don't think it should be in a big banner at the top of the screen.
Comments
@Bro Hammer btw, you forgot to add the {{TPP}} template... and to add the proposal to the list of ongoing talk page proposals — eviemaybe (talk / contributions) 23:01, January 17, 2025 (EST)
"It is plastered on there without any title, warning or introduction" ...would it help if our to-do section got a header, just like on Nookipedia? Also, we do have this to-do list only for less than a month. I think it's a bit early to tell whether or not it has intimidated anyone yet. rend(talk)(edits) 00:57, January 21, 2025 (EST)
@Arend Yeah, I think it would help a great deal if it had a header. A while ago, I went inactive (And rightfully so) on the wiki for a few months, and then came back and WOAH! There's a to-do list, except I had no clue that's what it was. Since it seems every five seconds there's a new proposal here, why not make that next? Wonder Time!
add VisualEditor to MarioWiki
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Super Mario RPG (talk) It's a good way to help familiarize newer users to editing.
Shy Guy on Wheels (talk) More options are good. If you don't like it then just don't use it once implemented.
Oppose
Camwoodstock (talk) This has been discussed on multiple occasions before, and even ignoring the hurdle of Porplemontage's approval, we can't say we're a fan of VisualEditor. It tends to yield very, very janky source that is honestly even harder to read than if it was written with the actual actual plaintext. It's a lot easier to learn how to use the basic editor than to try and make the results of VisualEditor look good, from our experience.
Wonder Time! (talk) Seems like it would be a huge impact that is just unnecessary.
Pseudo (talk) I dislike VisualEditor personally because I feel that it leads to a poorer understanding of the underlying workings of wikitext, which is very valuable to understand if you are going to be an even semi-regular editor. People should know how the site they're using works rather than relying on a janky frontend. Ultimately, I have a similar take on this to Camwoodstock.
Rykitu (talk) Per all. I joined this wiki 4 months ago and I can say it is pretty easy to understand after a couple weeks and a couple tips from the SYSOPs. Easy enough that I don't think an easier version is necessary. Also seems like there is a large hurdle towards getting Porplemontage to add one in, and I don't think it's worth the effort. Not to mention VisualEditor doesn't seem to have a good reputation.
ThePowerPlayer (talk) Pseudo has a very good point that counters the mentality of "if you don't like it, don't use it": whether or not existing users will use VisualEditor, new users would likely default to using it without understanding the intricacies of MediaWiki formatting, which makes them more likely to make formatting mistakes by accident. It's especially easier to just use the text-based editor when editing e.g. templates, tables, or adding article categories.
CopyEditFlower (talk) Offering this tool has wrecked multiple wikis. New users will use it overwhelmingly, understandably, and that will wreck multiple pages’ formatting in ways difficult to untangle later. I’ve seen it happen before.
This proposal has actually been tried a coupletimes before. The thing about this is that it's a function that can only be implemented by the wiki's proprietor (in our case, Porplemontage (talk)). rend(talk)(edits) 14:27, January 21, 2025 (EST)
Why is this proposal on the Main Page talk page even though it does not pertain to the Main Page specifically? Proposals that apply to the whole wiki should be in MarioWiki:Proposals. Jdtendo(T|C) 05:23, January 22, 2025 (EST)
I guess because the Main Page talk can be used to discuss the wiki as a whole as well, as indicated by the introduction text at the top, and this user misinterpreted it as applying to proposals as well. rend(talk)(edits) 05:27, January 22, 2025 (EST)
Not voting, but paradoxically adding this option does have a cost even if you don't use it. The cost is accidentally clicking "edit", and thus opening VisualEditor, when you intended to click "edit source". Either you wait it out or back out of the page then use "edit source", but either way time is spent. Also someone has to take time to actually implement all the templates that use parameters into Visual Editor, because Visual Editor by default is not all that good at templates with parameters. Salmancer (talk) 12:06, January 23, 2025 (EST)
Uh... can someone explain how VisualEditor is handy to use? MH:) at 03:35, February 3, 2025 (EST)
I'm abstaining for now, but some things are impossible to do in VisualEditor. --FanOfYoshi at 03:48, February 3, 2025 (EST)
In all reality, it wouldn't make sense to add this in the first time. VisualEditor would be here to help new editors, but it, theoretically, could make it super easy, so anyone can join MarioWiki and edit in large quantities, something we can't have. So, keep the traditional editing format, and if someone think's too difficult to edit, perhaps they shouldn't be here in the first place. (P.S. Not trying to newbie bash, but, still...) Wonder Time!
This is a featured article!
It represents the best of the best that the Super Mario Wiki has produced. If there are any edits that would improve the article's quality even further, make them.
Why the heck is this article so huge?! It lags like a WIKIA page! Are all of those images necessary? HavocReaper48 23:22, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
This article needs to be huge because it is a Featured Article, and this article follows everything the Featured Articles needs, huge articles need to stay that way, etc. HappyHalloween!
No, it's huge because there's a lot of info that needs to be covered. Being large isn't actually an FA requirement: as long as the article's not tiny, it's the quality that matters, not the quantity. - Walkazo 16:09, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
Split
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DELETED
I say we split the music staff and voice cast sections into separate, respectful sub-articles, just like the staff and soundtracks. One reason, this article is ENORMOUS and we need to down size it a bit.
Proposer: Zero777 (talk) Proposed Deadline: April 17, 2011, 23:59 GMT Date Withdrawn: April 15, 2011
Really? All you need to do is find the time in GMT (which for you I heard you mention is +8 hours for you) then check the date. Go forward two weeks from that date and end at 23:59 or 24:00 GMT. Rule 2 on the proposal page can be a little confusing, I had to read it a few times before I got what it was saying. Bop1996(Talk) 10:34, 7 April 2011 (EDT)
I just have my date and time preferences set to the server default and look at RecentChanges to keep track of what time it is in GMT. For the deadline, I just look at a calendar and go straight down the day column two weeks; adding 14 days to the date also works if you're not crossing into another month (in this case, 3 + 14 = 17). The only potentially confusing part of Rule 2 (imho) is the stuff about rounding the voting start time, which doesn't apply to TPPs. I added specific dates to the Rule 2 example to try and make it a bit better, and I added a deadline example to TPP Rule 3 too. - Walkazo 11:13, 7 April 2011 (EDT)
That works too, my point with Rule 2 is that people seem to have a hard time applying the differences between their time and GMT. Most of the incorrect end times seem to be because people forget to convert to GMT... I think I saw a place on the wiki that listed the differences between GMT and other time zones, maybe a link to that page would help. Bop1996(Talk) 13:09, 7 April 2011 (EDT)
I think that would be a good idea, though I have one question: Why does the wiki use GMT in the first place? Mario4Ever (talk) 03:23, 8 April 2011 (EDT)
I think it's because of the time facility in Greenwich, England. They count the Earth's rotation and it's supposed to be extremely accurate. I'm not really the person to ask this, as I never cared until I came to the wiki and had to care. Bop1996(Talk) 09:12, 8 April 2011 (EDT)
No, it's because we're an International wiki, and GMT is the standard one used all over the world (hence it's the server default); we used to use EST/EDT, but that was considered too America-centric (and daylight savings time muddled the issue pretty badly). Here's the proposal that had is start using GMT. We use one time zone to regulate when voting ends so proposals don't randomly disappear all the time and confuse people; that's how it's always been done. As for people having trouble converting to GMT, it's not complicated at all: just memorize how many hours are added or removed for your time zone. For me, EST is GMT-5; the only confusing bit is when we switch to EDT, which is GMT-4, but that's why I've got my preferences set to GMT - to double-check times if I'm ever a bit unsure of myself. Daylight savings time issues aside, asking people to memorize one addition or subtraction equation is not unreasonable, and folks can just Google search "GMT" to find out their time zone's offset (the first website is a conversion page, the first image result is a map, etc.), so we shouldn't even need a page of conversions here. We could always link to one of the many Wikipedia articles dealing with time zones, tho; this one has a nice chart, for example, and this has a map, although you need to view it at full resolution in order to read it. - Walkazo 10:12, 8 April 2011 (EDT)
@Kaptain K. Rool: Yeah, I know they are part of the cast. What is the point you're trying to make. Zero777 (talk)
That they are both a part of he cast and we don't need two separate articles about the cast. Kaptain K. Rool (talk)
I was trying to make a point but his idea is better.
Is it possible for me to make changes to the proposal and to strike out everybody's vote until they revert their's for fairness? Zero777 (talk)
I'm not sure, the three day period where you are allowed to edit your proposal is up. You could ask for the proposal to be cancelled and then relist it according to how you want to change it, or you could ask a sysop what you should do... Bop1996 (talk)
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Split from Super Smash Bros. Brawl/Merge into staff sub-articles 7-0
I say we split the music staff and voice cast sections and merge them into the staff sub-articles. One reason, this article is ENORMOUS and we need to down size it a bit, and also it seems like the proposal to merge the Subspace Emissary back into the article looks like it is going to succeed and it will make the article enormous-er.
Proposer: Zero777 (talk) Deadline: May 1, 2011, 23:59 GMT
Wouldn't it be better to put the music staff with the rest of the staff? The article's current segregation and placement of those folks seems rather silly to begin with... - Walkazo 14:26, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
@Zero: You'd better change the proposal now, unless you want the proposal removed again and to re-list it... By April 32, did you mean May 2? I must've missed the universal calendar changes... Bop1996(Talk) 14:56, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
I actually changed the deadline to May 1. Using 24:00 should be perfectly fine, but if folks are going to keep changing it to 0:00 the next day (which is NOT allowed, as it messes up the nice +14 days motif), it's best to simply use 23:59. - Walkazo 15:48, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
I say we merge all of the subspace emissary levels into one article kirby9612
I'm upset with the way the merge was handled.
I've been gone from this wiki for quite a while, and I was surprised at what I found on the SSBB staff list page when I got back. I am disappointed by how the merge happened, specifically with how Walkazo handled it. This is not a "merge". This is basically just overwriting all of the work I did in compiling a list of the game's arrangers. You practically copied from the official Dojo website, which leaves out a lot of the arrangement credits. The only things you added to my original list (which is still in the page history) was the names of performers. But you also added in arrangers who were already covered in the "Music and Sound" section of the credits as they actually appear in the game on your TV screen.
For example: Kentaro Ishizaka, who was credited as one of the "Music and Sound" individuals in the credits, also arranged twelve songs, if one searches through the sound test. In the big honkin' table that was dropped on this page, Ishizaka is only listed as the "arrangement supervisor" (a term I disfavor to "arranger" or "arranged by") of two songs: "Waluigi Pinball" and "Famicon Grand Prix II: 3D Hot Rally - Title". That leaves out all his work on songs like "Corneria" and "You Call This a Utopia?!"! Then again, Ishizaka's arrangement credits were already listed by me in the "Music and Sound" section.
The original intent of the "Music Arrangement" section was to list things exactly as they were in the original, on-your-TV credits. Isn't that the point of any "/Staff" article? List the credits as they appear on screen in the same order? That's what I was trying to do with this page when I created it six months ago (with help from someone's YouTube copy of the credits). I just added in more information by my own research that made the page more useful.
In the end, I think a "merge" could be completed much better if we were to leave the "Music and Sound" section alone, and list the names in the "Music Arrangement" section in the same order that they appear in the game. List only those names, plus the performers (like James Cowan and Emily McIntosh, for example), and leave the "Music and Sound" names out of the "Music Arrangement" names. That's just my two fifty cents.
Oh! Just thought of something. The people who performed vocally on the songs should be listed under the voices, not the music arrangement credits, following the example set here: http://www.ssbwiki.com/List_of_voice_actors -Dogman15 20:19, 1 July 2011 (EDT)
wtf
My PC displays erroneously the images with some wacky and funny effects such as:
The pic of Groudon is a Trampoline.
The entire Subspace map is a soccerball, (BJAODN forward) suggesting that upon a time the entire Subspace was a soccerball. Pretty interesting.
The Kongs' emblem is Bowser. IT'S SO FREAKIN' GENIUS.
The SSBB Battlefield is Sonic. From today everyone can now battle over Sonic!
The Halberd is the Mushroomy Kingdom. Did there was a fatal merge error somewhere?!
Barrels are Wii Remotes. How can I throw my Wii Remote on the screen and assisting its transformation?
The Super Mushroom is now a Stock Ball. Wow, now I can get both an extra life and more power!
The Samurai Goroh is smoke. BREAKING NEWS!!! The Samurai Goroh has now the power to turn into colored smoke!!!
And more! The text in bold is sarcastic opinion.
--Super Famicom 64 16:59, 25 February 2012 (EST)
About 1 out of 4 times when I get a Game Over in Subspace Emissionary, the music plays before the trophies hit the ground. Could anyone explain why this is? Please?
The link to the dojo now directs you to the Smash Bros. 4 website. I think this should either be removed, or changed to one of the existing site pages. ---Skittles
Since it no longer covers Brawl, I recommend removing the link and adding a section about it to the article itself. Tacopill (talk) 18:47, 25 June 2013 (EDT)
Fun Fact: DELETE!!!!!!
When you want to delete ALL of your data, the game will ask you 3 times if you are sure.
First Time: Are you sure your want to erase data? (Erased data cannot be recovered.)
Second Time: Absoluetly sure? (No erased date can be recovered.)
Final Time: Really? (You will lose it FOREVER!)
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sugarlover (talk).
Music Links?
Something I noticed was that there were only links for a few of the songs (one or two per stage). Is this simply because the site being linked to only has those songs? If so, we could just edit in links to YouTube videos that have each song. Just seems like something to make the article a bit more user-friendly. Kathogenia (talk) 02:00, 20 January 2014 (EST)
Maybe....Ray Trace(T|C) 02:03, 20 January 2014 (EST)
Move The Subspace Emissary to a separate page
This talk page proposal has already been settled. Please do not edit this section or its subsections. If you wish to discuss the article, please do so in a new section below the proposal.
Baby Luigi (talk) I have to agree with this proposal for a variety of reasons. One, unlike other game modes, this is a pretty damn huge game mode. It's practically its own thing and it even gets its own sections of enemies in there. Having the Subspace Emissary, a huge complex deep mode in an article that's already quite extensive enough is overkill for me. It's the same reason I made the Super Duel Mode article by itself rather than having it cluttered on the Mario Party 5 article. Coin Rush, Boost Rush, and some other modes also have their own articles too because they're quite detailed, deep, and very complex gameplay. This isn't some optional side mode like Battle Mode or Time Trials or Extras mode, it's a full on complex own thing that I feel should deserve its own article. I wouldn't completely move it to its own page, but we could leave a short section for it in the Brawl article. I think making an article focused on the Subspace Emissary is a good move and it should rightfully deserve its own page, unlike Adventure mode from Melee.
Yoshi K (talk) I have to agree with the above, because of all the other game modes that have their own page. I think The Subspace Emissary is in a similar situation as the game modes mentioned above.
Oppose
Time Turner (talk) This is the proposal that originally merged the Subspace with this article, and I agree wholeheartedly with it. The solution really shouldn't be to split the Subspace Emissary simply due to its length. Yes, it is overly long, but if the problem lies in the fact that it's long, then maybe we should try to not make it long? Besides the length, what exactly warrants for this section to be split? It's very distinctly a mode of Super Smash Bros. Brawl, which would mean that splitting it would be inconsistent (as per other proposals who merged modes). Also, the Subspace Emissary section, despite being overwhelmingly and unnecessarily long, is poorly written. There is an excellent reason for why it has that rewrite template, with lines like "On the verge of tears, while all alone," and "As Diddy stares in fear and awe," (are we writing an article or a novel?) really accentuating why it's bad. Simply put, we shouldn't just send the info off to another article; it's like we're just shoving the problem in a corner and saying, "Nope, nothing wrong here." What we should do is work to shorten, trim, and improve what's already there. Besides, if this did get split, I'd advocate for it to be deleted just because of how badly written it is.
SuperYoshiBros (talk) Per Time Turner. This is like moving the History section of Mario's page to another page because it's too long.
SeanWheeler (talk) Per Time Turner. Crossover games like Super Smash Bros. shouldn't get more special treatment than mainstream Mario games. If you want the Subspace Emissary with its own article, see Smash Wiki.
Holy constipated shit god, that plot section! Please, somebody has to reduce the writing; this is just literally too much. Once this is considered, then we can find out if there is enough information to give it a separate article. It does have its own sets of bosses and enemies, plus, a really dumb plot, though. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 23:14, 15 February 2014 (EST)
Could I cancel this proposal? Pinkie Pie (talk) 20:48, 17 February 2014 (EST)
Where are Master Hand's sounds in the sound test?--NintendoFan369 (talk) 12:25, 25 March 2014 (EDT)
The origin of Wario's victory theme in Smash Bros series: EXPLAINED
Super Smash Bros. Brawl Wario victory theme is the original track stylistically meant to match the sound/tone of WarioWare games. You should keep in mind that this jingle was created before Wario Land: Shake It actually came out or was even announced.
This melody would be repurposed for the song "Stonecavring City" in the latter game. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 93.171.13.145 (talk).
Where is an official source saying the victory theme is the original? It shouldn't be treated as a reference without confirmation, and like Ray Trace said, there's also the possibility it's the other way around since both games were developed at the same time. The interviewer in the reference on SmashWiki does claim that the fanfare is an arrangement of Shake It! (which makes me confused about the SmashWiki paragraph since it claims the opposite), but he was not involved in either game's development so I don't think this is reliable. And please sign your comments. MarioJC 11:43, October 31, 2022 (EDT)
The edvience of Stonecarving City music from Wario Land: Shake It being inspired by Wario's victory jingle in Smash Brawl is all there!
Check this link: https://archive.vgfacts.com/thread-2160.html It says that unlike everyone else's, Wario's victory flourish is completely original Untitled user (talk) 18:57, May 20, 2023 (EDT)
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Why Wario is a super hero if he is a very bad guy
That was back in 2012. Miyamoto has embraced the last name since 2015, even joking more recently that Link's full name is just like Mario's: Link Link.LinkTheLefty (talk) 10:42, 20 November 2018 (EST)
I'd argue that just because Miyamoto says Mario has a last name doesn't mean it's true. It's like how J.K. Rowling said Hermione was black even though the books (she wrote) clearly stated that she had white skin. Miyamoto says Mario has a last name but none of the games back up this claim. The only real source for Mario having a last name is the 1993 Mario Movie and that is shown to not be canon to the games.--Pizza Master (talk) 19:08, August 6, 2023 (EDT)
Except that nothing in the games contradicts Mario being the last name, so we have no reason to not trust Miyamoto on the subject. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 19:38, August 15, 2023 (EDT)
If Miyamoto flip-flops between whether they do or don't have a last name, can we really trust that they do? What if he flip-flops back to saying they (Mario and Luigi) don't have last names? Also, though the games don't contradict Miyamoto they also don't support Miyamoto either. I think we should leave the last name blank because there has yet to be confirmation from the games on the subject.--Pizza Master 17:22, August 16, 2023 (EDT)
If he changes his mind again then we'll reflect that, but he hasn't done so since 2015, and he only changed his mind once anyway. And if we were to remove information on the basis of not being confirmed nor denied by the games, the wiki would be pretty different (there's plenty of enemies that are unnamed in the games and use their names from guides, books, websites, emails, etc.). Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 08:43, August 17, 2023 (EDT)
Fair enough. Though, I do think that Mario having the same first and last name is pretty dumb. It makes me wonder; Is Wario's full name Wario Wario?--Pizza Master 16:03, August 17, 2023 (EDT)
If that were the case, Waluigi's full name would be "Waluigi Wario". However, Wario and Waluigi's last names weren't confirmed by Nintendo, only Mario's full name was confirmed to be "Mario Mario"; also making Luigi's full name "Luigi Mario". Jake Lugo (talk) 10:08, March 9, 2024 (EST)
The writing is AWFUL
I needed something to listen to while I worked on something, so I had text-to-speech read out this article because I was curious. Most of the article is fine, but the "History" section is a complete and utter mess. Tons of poor grammar, spelling and grammatical errors, missing words, nonsensical statements, unnecessary information, and unrelated tangents. Everything beyond the History section is competently written, so it's just the big section that goes over all the games Mario has been in.
I'm afraid I don't have the time to fix it, but I thought I would at least bring it up here. 96.48.239.44 07:34, 19 January 2019 (EST)
You mean you can't? Yes, it is protected. You have to create an account first, make at least 5 edits on pages, during 4 days, and you'd be autoconfirmed to edit the page. --FanOfYoshi at 07:46, 19 January 2019 (EST)
Uhh... No, I said "I don't have the time" because I don't have the time. 96.48.239.44 20:43, 19 January 2019 (EST)
Okay... Can you provide a few examples of the "awful" writing? (T|C) 02:57, 20 January 2019 (EST)
Please just remove Mario's dang height....
There is no confirmation on what Mario's "canon" height is as far as I'm aware and saying Mario's canon height is 155cm just because a Statue that said "Life Size" on it exists is an outright stupid reason to say he's over 5 feet, and it's outright insane to think he's somehow 155cm, it makes no sense whatsoever and it's offensive to short people such as myself, because I stand at 165cm and I will never grow a bit anymore. And when someone says stubby freakin' Mario is 155cm, I find that so insulting, especially when Mario Odyssey gameplay depicts Mario just a tiny bit taller than a freaking Fire Hydrant, which Hydrants are standardized at around 2 feet, and when I measured a Fire Hydrant height, it was 2'06" not to mention I measured my own head at 9 inches, and doing the math with a ripped model (from a Gmod Addon) of the New Donk Male Citizen, measured the height in heads (removing the head from the rest of the mesh and stacking the heads on top of each other), the height in heads was 7.05, I took my own height (65 inches) and divided it by 9, and I got 7.22, which means I must be taller than the New Donk City male citizen, if anything, Mario stands at 3'00" (92cm) not to mention he displays common complications of Dwarfism, for instance, he's usually bow legged and has a slight hunch back. And, I mean, unlike people who claim Mario is 155cm, at the very least I can show my work that shows how I got my answer for Mario's height, and essentially show prove, and evidence of Mario's height being otherwise - https://ibb.co/WKMm22j and to think, people have yet to convince me Mario is somehow 5 feet, and honestly, I'll probably never believe it, because it's so outlandish and stupid to think, want to know why using that "Life Size" statue is so stupid? - https://us.amazon.com/Authentic-Nintendo-Licensed-Super-Collectible/dp/B01IGY1AFA it is apparently a "Life Size" Mario plush... yet it's a completely different number in height from the dang statue... And Let's be honest, I have more evidence on my side, Against calculations? Rather have officials say so? Welp, here ya go - https://gonintendo.com/stories/293589-super-mario-odyssey-director-explains-why-new-donk-city-takes-a-r, Want More? Take more - https://www.dualshockers.com/miyamoto-explains-initially-worried-super-mario-odyssey/, notice that our key words on that second one are "Miyamoto" and "Normal People" Mario just can't be 5 feet, it makes no sense, and, well, this is probably a stupider reason I have to disbelieve it, but wouldn't it look so dang weird if a 155cm Mario were next to any anime girl of the height of 5 feet, like a lot of them are?
If you aren't mad at me for making this message and trying to defend my short height of 165cm (in imperial terms, that's 5'05"), and if you decided to take the time to look at my calculations and my points rather than outright say "UR RAWNG! UR RAWNG! IGNURINCE" or nailing me to a cross and burning it to the ground for saying Mario isn't over 5 feet tall, Thank You.
GoldyFish110 (talk) 21 June 2019
Sorry I don't think you can delete information from an article (ESPECIALLY not Mario's) without a proposal. I'manumber1 (talk) 13:42, October 31, 2021 (EDT)
Sigh... I didn't wanna ask this again, but
Please remove a certain something from this quote I put here "Mario wears a trademark cap, brown hair (although the DiC cartoons sometimes depict it as black), a black or dark-brown mustache, and overalls and is 155 cm (5 ft, 1 in) tall.[24]" That certain something is "and is 155 cm (5 ft, 1 in) tall.[24]" Please, that is false information, and completely unconfirmed. Not to mention I personally find it very insulting, as a 165cm guy, so not only is this false information, but it's insulting and a mockery toward short people. If you aren't gonna respond to my first comment where I link several sources to debunk 155cm Mario as well as showing my math, then I have only few things to assume, either you don't care about short people's feelings and think this is a canon thing just cuz Matpat said so, or no one saw my last comment. Now don't get after me for being peeved when making this comment, ya didn't respond to the last in anyway, either show me an actually valid source that isn't the stupid statue, or get rid of that one quote. Please please please please please, It's soooooo annoying when people say Mario is 155cm, and the fact the freakin' Mario wiki is saying this, I'm not surprised, they got Larry's height way wrong, and I had to go in there and fix it and state that Larry is actually shorter than Mario and is in no way the same size as freakin' Peach, which was the dumbest oversight I've seen. I'm not trying to be mean or rude, I'm just peeved that "and is 155 cm (5ft, 1 in) tall." remains on Mario's page, and the fact I was never given any response for my last comment, what, you want to keep claiming Mario is 5 feet yet at the same time, you know my math and my sources probably debunk that by a landslide? Oh dear I really apologize about the anger on this...
GoldyFish110 (talk) 23? I think, I forgot to change the day so I guess I won't know, June 2019
First of all, if you feel insulted by a fictional character's height, yet you are taller yourself and people can actually be shorter, you might need to rethink something. People can be various heights, and Mario's 5'1" is certainly possible. There's nothing insulting here in the slightest.
Second, yes, the only source we have for that statement is a Kotaku article, which isn't the most credible source. Not only that, but the page being referenced is actually dead! If you can find something better, that would help.
Third, Mario is, again, a fictional character. His height fluctuates based on the game. Sonic is confirmed to be 3'3", yet Mario can stand about the same height in the Olympic Games. Even if he has a confirmed height or not, it doesn't really matter in terms of gameplay. 11:24, June 24, 2019 (EDT)
I agree with Alex95! It's subjective! --FanOfYoshi at 12:32, June 24, 2019 (EDT)
Well, 165cm is 5'05" and that is short, and yes, it's taller than 5'01" but how much taller? And it must be worse for people who are also full grown adults, but shorter than me, right, because of a certain reason, Honestly... I feel insulted by a fictional character's height being claimed to be over 5 feet because of how Mario was depicted next to realistic people, so this is why I feel insulted by that - and this - now look at that, say Mario is 5'01" and tell me that doesn't sound like an insult or jab at people who are below 6 feet tall, just look at that, my calculations with heads, and the two sources I sent and tell me they didn't at the very least retcon Mario somehow being 5 feet, he's like, a little taller than a freakin' hydrant for crying out loud. Also, how is Mario being 155cm possible? I don't get it, I did all the math I could, and he's never that tall, compare him to objects and he's always shorter than 5 feet, and actually, when you pay attention, Mario's height is surprisingly consistent... with not being 5 feet, but rather, around the 3 foot mark. And with the heads thing, measuring Mario how I was told to by one of the articles "I thought that we needed a scale that was easy to understand. Users will wonder how high Mario can jump and how far he can fall. We thought that it would be easier for users to understand and relate to the world in which they actually live. Mario is a strong enough character that he fits in just fine in a realistic environment." They said for measuring his jump height, but I use that for measuring his Mario height, I compare him to the realistic people, and the realistic people happen to be 7.05 heads tall when T-Posed, I'm 7.22 heads tall, and I'm 5'05" and because of this, I must be taller than the New Donkers, and my estimate is that they're about 5'03" and I got 92cm (3'00") for Mario's height given the size in heads of myself and the New Donker, I must be taller than the New Donker, while I don't think my measurements were super efficient given I was forced to use imperial measurements because I didn't have a metric measuring tape and I don't actually know anyone who is 7.05 heads tall, but at the very least it makes more sense than saying he's 5'01" cuz statue said so, at least, that's the only source I know of that say's he's 5'01" and even then, there is a "Life Size" Mario Plush that is 48 inches, Also, I'm insulted because I'm short, I'm classified as short, and so is 5'01" because 5'05" is only like, what, 4 inches taller, 10cm taller. So yes, I'm taller, but not much, and I'm still classified as short...
And well, about finding something better, I did find something better, but it doesn't really confirm Mario's height, it just confirms he isn't 5 feet, it was those two sources... And I apologize for making a large comment, I can't freaking stand this, and I really don't think there is any "confirmation" and if that article said anything, can you tell me who said the supposed height of Mario?
Okay EDIT: I took a look at the dead link's name (as in, hovered the mouse over it) and SIGH, that's just the "Life-Sized" Mario statue, and as I said before, "Life-Sized" Mario plush, and it's a completely different height, as far as I'm aware, Mario doesn't have an officially canon height, but is likely around 3 feet tall, as I calculated him to be 92cm tall.
GoldyFish110 (talk) 24 June 2019
I don't see how this is insulting, it's more supposed to be humorous. Mario's always been on the short side, but I don't really know why they went with realistic proportions for the New Donkers. Probably because of Pauline (it also resembles Sonic '06). The Mario world is weird, there's no real set canon height for anything.
As for where the claim initially came from... Only thing coming to mind is Game Theory. I don't know what the Kotaku article said, or if they had an official story. Searching "Mario's official height" in Google doesn't help, neither does Wikipedia. I'm leaving the dead link template next to the source anyway, in hopes it can be replaced or updated later.
I don't think 5'5" is short, I think that's pretty average. 14:30, June 24, 2019 (EDT)
Actually, one of the articles I sent explains why they went with the realistic proportions for the New Donkers, I'll link it again - https://gonintendo.com/stories/293589-super-mario-odyssey-director-explains-why-new-donk-city-takes-a-r and there is this source too, but it doesn't explain anything - https://gamerant.com/super-mario-odyssey-miyamoto-worry-new-donk-city/ where Miyamoto says "Where Mario is THIS Tall and Normal People are just a little bit taller" Though perhaps you aren't listening to them because they're bad sources? Tell me, do these sources seem valid? I decided to never go with Nintendo Life sources, however, because they tried to trick people into thinking the next Cuphead game was gonna be in an anime art style. And this - https://www.ebay.com/p/Nintendo-Licensed-Giant-Life-Size-Super-Mario-48-4ft-Plush-Doll-Toy-Very-RARE/2256117198 just sort of shows why it's a bad idea to go with the statue height thing, heheh. And to be honest, what I was thinking about when people say Mario is 5'01" and I look at New Donk City, I think about a Theadore Roosevelt political cartoon drawing where for some reason they depicted him as being way cartoonishly short, and I didn't find it funny. Also, I think my height, being 165cm, it is actually short, at least in America, where I lived all my life, until now (I'm Finally free) I was much shorter than everyone there, though I didn't look too much shorter or feel too much shorter, I was just short, and I mostly only ever compared to the girls in height, even then they were taller than me for the most part, oh, and American School was the same place the teacher showed me that political art, where everyone was taller than me and I noticed it much more, and the political art making fun of short heights, that got to me, and currently living in Czech, my height doesn't feel much different around people at stores and such, I still feel like a short stack. Also, I did my calculations, and this is my math I did - https://ibb.co/WKMm22j and to be honest, with no actual confirmation on the character's height, does the height really need to be on the page? It really isn't true as far as I'm aware, and I also had problems a while back with people claiming Larry Koopa was the same size as Princess Peach, arguing with the Larry Koopa fan who probably knew what he was talking about when saying that Larry is actually shorter than Mario, from what I calculated, Larry seems to be around 74cm, or 2'05" (with pixel measurements in the 3DS Mario and Luigi games given those are my favorite games and I gave up long ago trying to calculate every single height, and I only really need one Larry Koopa height for my fan game starring Larry given I want to put him next to anime characters who have confirmed heights of their own, I even got Ludwig's official voice actor from Mario Kart 8 in it, and it was cool), and yeah, about Game Theory, that made it worse actually, and it made me miserable for a while debating the height, because people would toss my calculations aside and tell me "YA DIDN'T EVEN TRY ONLY HATIN ON MATPAT CUZ NO ONE BUT MATPAT CAN DO MATH" "U RUSHED THAT CUZ MATPAT'S IQ OF 140 PROVES HE'S RIGHT ABOUT EVERY SINGLE THING OF ALL TIME AND UR POSSIBLE IQ OF 118 DOESN'T COMPARE" and so on, though I can tell them just because Matpat is smart doesn't mean he can't make a mistake, I even more than triple-check my work and they accuse me of rushing it, lol. I actually feel like I legit want to call Miyamoto on a phone or something and ask him myself how tall is Mario, just to end the debates, lol, though perhaps that's going too far, and I don't even know if Miyamoto can speak English. Though the rest of that stuff aside, the political cartoon, sometimes jokes are funny, but I don't see how this is, it's just saying "look, see that dwarf, he's 5 feet, just like you short people! hahahaha!" maybe they should make a tall person joke and say "he's over 6 feet tall" yet display him as around twice the normal people's sizes.
Yeah, interviews are proper sources. I don't believe the Game Theory (or any of the theories), but it's popular. See this for example. It gets around.
Anyway, your point is completely lost on me here in the midst of this large wall of text. I already agreed what we have on Mario's height is debatable, but I'd rather we find a new source that confirms something than outright remove the one we already have. New Donk isn't the first time Mario's stepped into realistic worlds, either; take the various episodes of The Super Mario Bros. Super Show and The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3.
Miyamoto knows some English, but not a lot. I think he can understand it, but can't really hold a conversation with it. 15:37, June 24, 2019 (EDT)
oh, I apologize for making it so large, heheh, though I think that if Mario doesn't have a confirmed height, why bother put his height on the page to begin with, heheh, is it really nessessary? and not to mention the dead link, it used the statue as the source (some vandalizer that watches Game Theory must have put it there if you don't know anything about it), and the statue can easily be proven to be a really bad source because of this - https://www.ebay.com/p/Nintendo-Licensed-Giant-Life-Size-Super-Mario-48-4ft-Plush-Doll-Toy-Very-RARE/2256117198 also, the TV shows aren't really canon, so I don't count them, heheh. And I did calculations using the two sources, this is what I got for Mario's accurate height - https://ibb.co/WKMm22j and I would like to ask Miyamoto if this is correct, heheh, and just simply that. Also, I became so obsessed with Mario character heights because of both Game Theory making a horrible theory on New Donk City and I'm making a fangame starring Larry Koopa, and I needed an actual height for Larry, given I'm going to put him next to anime characters with confirmed heights of their own, and he'd look bizarre at around 4 feet, not to mention I don't believe Mario is 5 feet to begin with, oh, and also, I managed to get Ludwig's official Mario Kart 8 voice actor in my fan game to voice Ludwig, and it was cool, and very fun. GoldyFish110 (talk) 24 June 2019
I'm not sure what's to get so worked up on a source. Maybe we should change the language to "Mario's height is suggested to be 5'1'' tall, but other sources have a disparity on the height, such as the comic of a guy smacking a small Mario around, Mario being really short to New Donkers, and Mario being more 'normal' in cartoon". Mario's height is similar to its relationship to Bowser's height, being wildly inconsistent. But what is established in official bios is that Mario is intended to be shorter than normal, such as the reference to "little Mario" in the original Donkey Kong, Mei Ling referring to Mario on "the short side", the cartoon bio calling him the "the shortest, chubbiest, most comedic-looking superhero ever to have his own show," and likely more that I missed, such as the "shorty" insults. Also, we don't dismiss sources for not being "canon", Mario has no canon, so official information should always be taken into account. Not arguing that the cartoon sources are the de facto information, but if they do list a specific height for him, we have to document it. Calculations in of themselves require a lot of assumptions to be made (such as when calculating a New Donker height) and you also had to ad hoc assumptions about the possibility of a statue being vandalized, which is not good thinking. The best way to go around, IMO, is to just apply Occam's Razor and document size disparities, rewrite the sentence that implies that Mario's height is confirmed 155cm and just way it's one of the few precise sources but most are ambiguous and inconsistent like Bowser's height in relation to Mario's. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 18:02, June 24, 2019 (EDT)
Okay, I apologize if I seemed too direct and mean, I really don't want to be, I just want to get my point across, just saying, you should still dismiss all "Life Size" Statues, figures, whatever, because as I've said before, there is a "Life Size" Mario Plush that stands at 4 Feet tall, and none of those statues seem to be the same height, heck, I even found a 4 foot Mario statue, a really old one, and it still says "Life Size" heheh. I think that "Life Size" in statues just means that it's a large size, like, Human-sized. And, while yes, I did have to assume the New Donker's heads were also roughly 9 inches, the assumption didn't inherently ruin the calculations, because while yes, the head size was assumed, but if they are around 7.05 heads tall, and I'm around 7.22 heads tall, and I'm 165cm, shouldn't the New Donker's NOT be taller than me? And 9 inches would be a very close head size for them when they have a very close height in heads to what I have. Given it takes less of their own head to make their full height, very slightly less of their own head than for me, but less of their own head nonetheless, and shouldn't their head size be a fraction smaller than my own if anything? My calculations would have been better if I knew someone just a little shorter than me with a height of 7.05 heads, but I mean, they aren't terrible, of course, I'm not asking to say Mario's height is what I calculated, because I'm aware that it is unconfirmed, I'm asking that Mario's height is removed entirely (and as I explained, the plush is also "Life Size" so Life Size in merch probably just means large sized and like a human in height)and if Mario's height is really something inconsistent, why have a height for him on the page? Ah well, I think I can edit this page now, probably because I was annoying about it (I apologize for being annoying about it, but thanks for granting me access to editing the page, I saw what was done there, the statue was swapped in for a different one that was close in size, but as I explained before, the plush, but is it okay if I just, remove Mario's height entirely, I really don't think that "Life Size" is meant to be taken literally, and is it okay if I just remove it myself now? I just wanna make sure I'm not doing anyone wrong by removing it) GoldyFish110 (talk) 25 June 2019
Mister Wu, I mean, if I said that if I made Larry 4 feet, it'll look bizarre, why would I make him 5 feet or bigger, that'll look worse, heheh, not trying to be rude or anything, just saying, and going "underboard" would not agree with official material, now would it. He mostly is shorter than Mario on average with most of his heights, so I'm just gonna say shorter than Mario, though it would be a great idea to calculate all his heights and figure out which one is the average, actually, then I'll change his height again in my fan game, I think Color Splash is the only exception to that rule actually (and the concept art, but he's smaller in the actual game), but that's Paper Larry, heheh, and Paper Jam pretty much established that the Paper characters are completely different from the regular characters, and even then, the sprite size is shorter, so I don't exactly know how tall Color Splash Larry is because Paper Mario decided to do me dirty by re-sizing the plane, lol. And if Mario doesn't have a truly canon height (which I agree with), why would I use a height that is around 5 feet? Just because there are statues around 5 feet? But there is a Plush that is around 4 feet. Yeah, Mario has no canon, but I still think there are standards, such as things that Nintendo have very little involvement with should not be included (this includes the cartoons) and you shouldn't take a statue height seriously. EDIT: Also, How is the height the least of my concern when I'm putting Larry next to anime characters with confirmed heights to begin with? I can't just slap 'im in there and put him at whatever random height he ends up being, I'll end up with inconsistency, and that's the last thing I'd want to deal with, heheh. GoldyFish110 (talk) 25 June 2019
And oh dear, I apologize for all this writing. GoldyFish110 (talk) 25 June 2019
See, you're making assumptions on how tall a New Donker is (no, seriously, you don't actually know how truly tall a New Donker is; relative sizes are only part of the picture) and then working on their proportions without knowing how tall they actually are. I think life-size isn't just large, it's supposed to be how Mario is sized in real life. If there are several officially licensed products disagreeing with each other, we should mention it in the article. Again, the entire point is to show that Mario's height is inconsistent, and the evidence provided reinforces that point more. My solution was to change the writing that's at odds with conflicting sources to be more line with the conflicting sources. Don't remove the source, add others and rewrite the section. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 14:39, June 25, 2019 (EDT)
Thing is, I have a T-posed model of the New Donker, so I wasn't just using screenshots, and I ripped the New Donker from a Gmod addon and I worked on their proportions and made an estimate (or an educated guess, I think) of how tall they are based on their size in heads, and my own size in head, it's not a perfect estimate, but I personally don't think it's that bad given the head size would have to be such a small difference. I also found two interviews, one where Yoshiaki Koizumi was interviewed, and one where Shigeru Miyamoto was interviewed, and Yoshiaki Koizumi flat out says that New Donk City was realistic because they thought it would be easier on the user to measure how high Mario can jump and how far he can fall when compared to the people that the users live around, implying that they definitely payed close attention to how tall they were making the people and their realistic proportions so that users can get an idea of how high Mario's jump is, and it isn't far off to use this for his own height, right, which is what I did, otherwise, if they just didn't care, slap Mario into the realistic world, then they probably wouldn't tell us to compare him to the realistic humans. Yes, Mario's height is usually inconsistent, and they usually don't care about how tall they make Mario, just as long as he fits, but this time, I think they did care, This time, I think they cared because they wanted to show off Mario's true abilities, I apologize if I sound rude or anything, I don't want to be. I should probably link some more new found sources of "Life Size" Mario's, heheh, since I found a bunch - https://www.ebay.com/itm/Deluxe-Super-Mario-Nintendo-Statue-Figur-1-1-Replica-Life-Size-ca-50-cm/113736739548?epid=1633578282&hash=item1a7b3ceadc:g:gJwAAOSwCkZZTNOD I also found this - https://www.ebay.com/itm/Giant-Life-Size-Super-Mario-Plush-Soft-Toy-Around-3ft-Tall-Jumbo-Gamer-Gift-NWT/143216777245?hash=item215862981d:g:zHwAAOSwRXhctOyN, and, I mean, I'm not the type who will completely emit all information that goes against me saying he's below 5 feet, I just don't think he's 5 feet or taller, but - https://www.ebay.com/itm/MARIO-MARIO-BROTHERS-65-Tall-Life-Size-CARDBOARD-CUTOUT-Standee/333126264095?hash=item4d8fdf651f:g:PTIAAOSwGFZck--B (And it's the most insulting height I've seen for Mario), it's the exact same height as myself (165cm) Though I did see the latest edit on the page, and thank you for acknowledging the 4 foot tall plush, but I guess since I'm found all this, and may find more, would it be okay if I just, put all the "Life Size" merch on the physical description, say "According to the height of his life-size figure, he is 150 cm (4 ft, 11 in) tall,[24] though other life-size merchandise depict Mario as shorter at 122 cm (4 feet tall)[source for the 4 foot tall plush], though it doesn't end there as there is also other life size merchandise that seem to imply all kinds of different heights, such as 50 cm (1 ft, 7.6in)[source of 50 cm figure] (Oh my gosh, this one's ridiculous, about as ridiculous as the 5 foot Marios, I mean, I believe he's under 5 feet and abnormally short, but not this short, heheh, I do have standards), 3 feet [source of the 3 foot tall plush] (Perfect, because 3 feet is 92 cm, and as I calculated...), 155cm [I'll try to find a new source for this](the most popular height, and I don't like it), and 65 inches (5 ft, 5 in)[source of cutout](ouch), Though official interviews seem to imply that New Donk City was made realistic so that players can measure Mario's abilities by comparison to the people they live around[source of the Why New Donk City took a realistic approach source I sent], even one debunking a popular fan theory [link to Super Mario Odyssey's GIANT Problem, by game theory] by implying that the New Donkers are "Normal People"[source of the Miyamoto was worried about how players would react to seeing New Donk City that I sent], which, in theory, should possibly put Mario at about 3 feet tall in Super Mario Odyssey." So, without all my comments, how's this? Eeeh, I just think adding that he is depicted as 50cm in a life size merch just isn't right, while saying he's over 5 feet is weird in my opinion, saying he's 50 cm is also so weird, and I can't stop questioning this. And I really feel like that source may come off as mocking, but I'm really not trying to be, and I apologize greatly if it does come off as mocking, I really am not trying to mock anyone, it's just, it says "Life Size" on it, and it's 50 cm, and ehhhh, okay I should stop typing, and I apologize for the lengthy comment... Oh, but about Smash Bros, I think no one is to scale compared to characters that are not from the same series, I mean, look at Kirby, he was confirmed to be 20cm (8 inches) yet he's not really tiny by comparison to other characters, and again, I apologize for the lengthy comment, should I make the edit as the quote I made, and any suggestions on wording things differently? GoldyFish110 (talk) 25 June 2019
Let's put it clearly: trying to find a common height from the games for your own works isMedia:SMG Talking to Captain Toad.pngpointlessMedia:Captain toad odyssey.jpg. The size of Mario and the others vary from game to game, you can't extrapolate some kind of "right" height, not even in relative terms. You just need to do what Nintendo does, adapting the height to what you are making so that it works best. Of course, you might want to use the official height chartsMedia:Mario 3DS chart.png and theMedia:Kansai Group Artwork.jpgartworkMedia:Nintendo JP Twitter million followers.jpg, but Nintendo couldn't care less about following these if they go against what they are doing (mostly, if they negatively affect gameplay or the animations). You absolutely need not to worry about this, it's a non-exisitng problem. As far as the main page is concerned, considering the great variability in the height of the life-size statues, that case was just one among many different ones that got picked up because of gaming journalism. If you really want to keep that kind of info, list the minimum height and maximum height found for those life-size figures, with references, but I wouldn't go beyond that, it would really clutter the page with what is basically trivia outside of the trivia section.--Mister Wu (talk) 21:19, June 25, 2019 (EDT)
Ok, I know this isn't the place to ask this but...
I'm new to this wiki, how do I create a page? Do I have to earn those rights? Please help.
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by KrazyKaos42212 (talk).
You will become autoconfirmed after you make 10 edits and have an account for at least 7 days. --Super Mario Fan 67 (T•C•S) 15:13, July 14, 2019 (EDT)
Re: Mario's Playschool
While searching for proof that the name was used as an alternate release name for Mario's Early Years! Preschool Fun, I thought of something: Would the international release having a different name count as a separate entry, or would it be possible to combine the entries somehow? --LordG.matters. 00:42, July 22, 2019 (EDT)
Especially in the past, it wasn't unusual that the Japanese names of the "Mario" games were different from the corresponding Western names (e.g. Yoshi's Road Hunting, Super Mario Collection, Mario Story, Mario & Luigi RPG), this alone didn't warrant a separate entry. If there are significant differences in terms of content, then I think a new entry can be considered.--Mister Wu (talk) 12:18, July 22, 2019 (EDT)
Flappy Bird
It is recommended to add his appearance in Flappy Bird. He only shows up when you get a score of 999. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gogogomario (talk).
He doesn't, that's from a fake video. MarioJC 21:18, February 15, 2020 (EST)
Yeah. The guy had just used Super Mario™ pipes and similar ground tiles which just annoyed Nintendo but had Dong Nguyen actually put Mario in the game Nintendo would've noticed since the game was a huge success and they would've sued and removed the game from the app store. I'manumber1 (talk) 17:32, December 7, 2021 (EST)
Religion
I recommend that we should add that Mario is a Muslim. Miyamoto specifically said that Mario was a Muslim when he was interviewed by the king of Saudi Arabia on his trip to Mecca. Please add this!!! — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 108.6.241.194 (talk).
Please provide a source for this claim. (T|C) 20:26, May 4, 2020 (EDT)
That is definitely just a stupid meme, but apparently he is ACTUALLY Christian, Jewish, and Muslim according to the Mario Quiz Cards. Grandet Omate (talk) 22:21, July 26, 2020 (EDT)
Wait I'm confused? Didn't Miyamoto say that Mario was "Homo Nintendous"? I'manumber1 (talk) 13:45, October 31, 2021 (EDT)
Mario's hair
Hey, um, I've been reading all this info, and this probably isn't a big deal, but I'm curious why in the section describing Mario's physical appearance it doesn't mention him gaining realistic hair in games starting with Super Mario Odyssey. It it because of how the level of detail to his har still is different between appearance, or is this just something that's never been brought up?--70.126.227.39 16:04, May 6, 2020 (EDT)
The thing is that Mario still has the exact same hairstyle, except now much more realistic in Odyssey. Then you come to the issue that Odyssey is actually the only game to have that level of detail in Mario's artwork. Mario Tennis Aces and Super Mario Party artwork gives Mario more detailed hair than normal, but nowhere near to Odyssey. Even that seems like it's mostly been dropped, with NSMBU Deluxe and Mario Maker 2 returning to the old level of detail. --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 17:46, May 6, 2020 (EDT)
Okay, in U Deluxe and Maker 2, that seems to be more of a case to keep consistent with the original games (or in Maker 2's case, the in-game models) than because it's been dropped, because Nintendo is still using the detailed hair in newer, marketing artwork and games like Tokyo 2020. But thank you for explaining why the information isn't listed in the wiki page, I've been curious on it for a while!--70.126.227.39 18:29, May 6, 2020 (EDT)
You're welcome - for what it's worth, Mario only has the somewhat more detailed hair in the artwork used on the game's cover but none of his other artwork for that game. --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 19:05, May 6, 2020 (EDT)
To be fair, SMM2 uses the same model he had in NSMBW, over 10 years ago. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:17, May 6, 2020 (EDT)
split.
jumpman is not mario — The preceding unsigned comment was added by FatYoshi (talk).
He absolutely is. The arcade flyer called him Mario, as did home port manuals. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:27, June 6, 2020 (EDT)
That's just Game Theory nonsense. Miyamoto confirmed that Jumpman is Mario. Always has been. I'manumber1 (talk) 13:48, October 31, 2021 (EDT)
Jumpman is the same guy as Mario. Gandalf (talk) 12:12, March 12, 2023
"Vulgar Tendencies"
Listen, there's just something that strikes me a little odd under the Personality section. There is a moderately long list of "vulgar" actions Mario has taken throughout his portrayals. These include urinating on Yoshi, passing gas, but smack dab in the middle of this list is "cross-dressing several times". Is this referring to his dress in Odyssey? This implies it's some kind of Super Mario Perversion or something and the way it's put right between farting and pissing is just kind of insulting. I know this will be written off as meaningless offence taken by something inconspicuous, but you have to admit the way it's put is insulting and can be taken as transphobic. Mario wears it like any other outfit, how exactly is that vulgar? It's not even displayed as a joke in-game, he's just doing it because he thinks it looks neat. I can't think of any other times he's been drawn in feminine clothing but they were probably just cliche guy-in-women's-clothing jokes, and I can't imagine they'd be canon. --75.185.75.178 21:57, July 26, 2020 (EDT)
I don't know what you’re trying to say, but there is this: [11]Grandet Omate (talk) 22:12, July 26, 2020 (EDT)
That one was unintentional. The actual reference is to the Kodansha Manga, which had him dressing as Sailor Moon characters while dirty jokes are going on, among other things. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:27, July 27, 2020 (EDT)
Okay that's great and all now go ahead and erase it please. I'd think more effort would be put into making this article more professional since it's about the mascot of the entire series but whatever 75.185.75.178 22:24, July 28, 2020 (EDT)
Mario's latest appearance
It says Mario's Most recent appearance was Paper Mario: The Origami King, But actually it was
Tetris 99 (TETRIS x Paper Mario: The Origami King event and cameo) (2020) — The preceding unsigned comment was added by PROPLAYEN (talk).
Technically Mario already appeared in the game through the SMB and Donkey Kong themes, so a second/third/etc. appearance in the same game doesn't count. MarioJC 02:54, August 2, 2020 (EDT)
Proposal to Add Citation to Mario#Personality
Towards the top of Personality's content (4.1), there's a missing citation. I'm requesting we cite an interview regarding Mario's 20th Anniversary, where Miyamoto provides the uncited information.
—How do you think Mario has become such a big phenomenon?
Miyamoto: I think it was fortuitous that we didn’t put any restrictions on Mario as a character. Normally when you create a character and present him to the world, all the details get filled in: what’s his favorite color? what kind of food does he like to eat? But with Mario, aside from the fact that he’s about 24-25 years old, we didn’t define anything else. The reason why is that we wanted to be able to use Mario in later games, and that wouldn’t work so well if he had characteristics that interfered with a given game’s story. When we make a game we take care not to add incongruencies to that game’s world. With that caveat in mind, I’d like to keep using Mario in future games.
Since I am still unable to edit Mario's page (I think I was told I had to make 10 edits or something before I could) I still think that "According to the height of his life-size figure, he is 150 cm (4 ft 11 in.) tall,[24] though other life-size merchandise depict Mario as shorter at 122 cm (4 ft) tall.[citation needed]" (as for citations on that, there are multiple - https://www.mercari.com/us/item/m40074925704/ and - https://www.ebay.com/i/163892265533?rt=nc&_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D20160908110712%26meid%3Dbc1e3505ec894f1e99e9ba8096433bc2%26pid%3D100677%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D30%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D193151746661%26itm%3D163892265533%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2386202%26algv%3DDefaultOrganic%26brand%3DNintendo and - https://www.ebay.com/i/193151746661?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28) should not be present on the page. (If you guys REALLY think it's worth taking literally and documenting, I'd say for the least false information spread, that you put it on trivia, or something, but I don't like when this wiki has something wrong, because then people keep spouting it over and over, like, I kept constantly hearing "Larry is the same size as Princess Peach" even though I've counted across multiple games that Larry is consistently always shorter than Mario, though how much shorter fluctuates) Because as I've said before, this is the Mario wiki, and it shouldn't be treating those statues like it's Mario's actual height, that's like saying the 3 foot Life Size Pooh Bear plush is Pooh Bear's canon height as well as the 48 inch Life Size cardboard cutout of Pooh Bear and the 60 inch Life Size cardboard cutout of Pooh Bear, and then claiming Pooh Bear's height is inconsistent and should not be accounted for (when someone needs Pooh Bear's height to actually have a scale for something that isn't up and down all over the place, like, I don't think the people here understand how that works in game development, you literally need a scale to work with for what I'm doing) for the reason of taking "Life Size" in all that literally. Especially when these - https://gonintendo.com/stories/293589-super-mario-odyssey-director-explains-why-new-donk-city-takes-a-r and - https://gamingbolt.com/super-mario-odyssey-miyamoto-was-worried-about-initial-reaction are much better sources, sure, they never reveal the exact number for Mario's height, but they imply that Mario is likely around the size of Sonic. (And they should be documented on this page) Obviously I'm not asking to document any of my calculations, since they are not official sources, but my calcs on New Donk City - https://ibb.co/RCmmMT4 and there is this, which flat out uses the centimeters in Origami King - https://twitter.com/LarryKoopaBest/status/1290236094911361024/photo/1) And as for Mario and Sonic models, at least the Tokyo 2020, I compared Mario to Sonic making Mario 103.3cm, which is very close to what I calculated with the Monster Fish of the Great Sea (Albeit the Monster Fish of the Great Sea was not a good source of measurement considering the Monster Fish of Shogan Studios using the same fish size and is labelled 300cm instead of 400cm, and the little ones are not to scale with each other, but it's just as bad a source as using the meter count to scale Mario's height, my calcs there are also badly measured too, since I didn't have any exacts to compare) I'm sorry for bothering you guys about this, it bothers me so much, and I guess I can't really let it go. (Due to covid19, I am even more unable to book a flight to Japan to ask Miyamoto what Mario's height is, and probably explain why it matters to me, lol) But the reason this continues to bother me is because of when this wiki spreads false information and people constantly flock to it. Mario's height was never revealed and there should be nothing but those interviews written about it, say, the following interviews with Kenta Motokura and Shigeru Miyamoto imply Mario is a pretty short person, or something... And yes, this bothers me partially because of my own height "Look at Mario, he's on the shorter end of 5 feet tall, just like you! Look at him next to those normal 6 foot people!" and I see Mario in New Donk City half the size of the people. But regardless of my own height, which people that aren't kids over 5 and a half feet couldn't possibly understand, the thing that bothers me more is the spread of misinformation and people constantly flocking to this and game theory when saying my calculations are bad, and I mean, they aren't perfect, but claiming they're terrible cuz I didn't say Mario is five feet cuz this and game theory bothers me so much. (GT mostly)
~ Goldyfish110
He has an "official" height, though. In the games, it's just as inconsistent as anyone else's, but his "base" height used for miscellaneous materials is relatively constant. Also, your message was long enough without going on a random tangent to Mr. Bear. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:26, November 5, 2020 (EST)
To be fair though, that life size adjective was very likely referring to the merchandise being near the height of the child owning it, not a statement that the merchandise is the exact size of Mario. I'd be fine with removing the information about Mario's "canonical" height in feet/centimeters.--Mister Wu (talk) 13:50, November 5, 2020 (EST)
Thank you, that's what I've been trying to say this whole time. They mean "Life Size" in that it is a big size almost the size of the child or whoever that it's made to be around, so it's "Life like" Also, Doc von Schemltwick, what is Mario's "official" height in games? I thought his height was never specified as any number. I do know they make him 1.53 units in Odyssey and 1.60 units in Smash 3DS, and then there are others I haven't specified, but Sonic is officially stated as 1 meter yet he's 1.50 units in Mario and Sonic, if I remember correctly. I also don't think the units should count as centimeters, and just using units for scale doesn't work with trying to scale Mario characters next to non-Mario characters, I'd rather scale non-Mario characters by comparison to Larry himself, who currently I have at a 78.7cm height in my game. However, if you need me to quote the interviews since I saw someone quoting an interview earlier.
Kenta Motokura (talking about New Donk City): I thought that we needed a scale that was easy to understand. Users will wonder how high Mario can jump and how far he can fall. We thought that it would be easier for users to understand and relate to the world in which they actually live. Mario is a strong enough character that he fits in just fine in a realistic environment.
Shigeru Miyamoto (talking about New Donk City): I was worried about how players would react to being in a world where Mario is this tall and normal people are a little bit taller. Or the fact that people don’t get mad at Mario when he’s jumping up and down all over the place. But with all that said, I think I realized that the character Pauline has already existed, and the idea of this game taking place in the city worked out really well. And so we ran with it.
I personally think the following interview answers have more validity as sources to them than the statues do.
When I said that, I was referring primarily to the materials Nintendo gives to third parties when said third parties develop games, like that one relative height chart. The "official height" and "in the games" were two separate thoughts. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:46, November 5, 2020 (EST)
Then again, that is only Mario characters by comparison to each other, and I guess they don't need any particular numbers to make Mario characters by comparison to each other, but Madoka has an officially listed height of 152cm and I was wanting to scale Larry Koopa by comparison to Madoka accurate to the both them. https://youtu.be/jJOEvjtOp3k?t=47 So I hope maybe this helps you understand why I am wanting Mario's height in number, however, the entire time I've been here, I'm really not wanting to debate Mario's height, considering I already have my idea, All I'm asking is that the "Life Size" isn't taken literally and be removed from the page, because it is spreading false information and people flock to it without second thought because I guess that's just how the masses work for some reason. (They kept doing this constantly with "Larry is the same size as Princess Peach" until I finally came in and edited it) And I don't think the meter counts or even the Monster Fish of the Great Sea had any thought for scale put into them (Mario and Sonic probably did, however, because of Bowser in Wreck-it Ralph, Miyamoto, I believe, asked that Bowser's height be changed in the Wreck-it Ralph scene he was in) they're just numbers to be displayed on the screen. And for games created by a team, I doubt the whole team knows what Mario's height is nor even cares. But since I'm doing LarryDS mostly alone, I care.--GoldyFish110 (talk) 15:15, November 5, 2020 (EST)
I already agreed to remove it last time you brought this up, if our only available sources are third-party whatevers, so I'm for doing it now. Not sure why it wasn't already. And, again, you seem to be taking this way too personally. He's also the about the same height as Sonic, who is 3'3". 16:38, November 5, 2020 (EST)
Oh yeah, there is that too, but literally all I'm asking is Mario's height (the statues) to be removed. Because the definition of life size in that case isn't literal. And to say Mario is around 5 feet tall doesn't make sense with the interview on why New Donk City was designed to be realistic. Those other things such as Mario and Sonic or Smash Bros or Mario Odyssey can all stay, but the statues should go due to not actually being literal. I'm trying to be as non personal as possible with this response, I hope I'm not being too personal just by saying the statues should go...
Nevermind this whole thing, I was just able to edit the page. I'm sorry for starting this up, I was just being stupid, lol, I guess I am an auto-confirmed user, but I swear it didn't let me save my changes earlier. I'm sorry for all the this conversation and kinda wasting everyone's time, lmao!--GoldyFish110 (talk) 17:15, November 5, 2020 (EST)
Those statues are not a valid reference. As I've said time after time again, Life Size, in this context, is not literal and does not mean the official true height of Mario. What they mean by Life Size is that the size that it is for it's target audience is Life Like in size as it is big, almost like the person that owns it. People are brainless, they're gonna see that number and talk as if it's absolute fact, just like the "Larry is the same size as Princess Peach" thing that came from this wiki, people told me, the Larry fan, that I'm wrong because this wiki said otherwise, despite the fact that what I said is in their faces. (regardless of the "Mario does not have a specified height" you added. I am not satisfied with the current revision. Like I said, if those statues (which Life Size means nothing in them) HAVE to be documented, I'd say trivia, and it should be done alongside every other "Life Size" Mario merch, carefully researched to show that the fluctuation is way bigger than that (Life Size 50cm Mario figure), where it's out of the way, because those statues are called "Life Size" because they're big sized, not because they're supposedly other heights for Mario, is the best place to put it. (I can't believe the Mario wiki can't seem to grasp this simple concept that "Life Size" in this context is not literal) There is so much varying sizes in merchandise that it is simply ridiculous to list all as sources for Mario's height and as "proof" that Mario doesn'thaveaconsistentheight. Sure Mario's height isn't super consistent, but "Life Size" merchandise is not a valid source ever, and does not serve as a source for what Mario's height is or how inconsistent Mario's height is, as it is really more consistent than anyone gives it credit for, and the interviews on New Donk City only add to that. How about at LEAST documenting the interviews, and put it right in the physical description saying it implies Mario's height is around the size of Sonic, because that is where the "Life Size" merch is documented, and obviously if I make another edit, then I'm doing something wrong, because statue good because statue say "Life Size" or something.--GoldyFish110 (talk) 20:09, November 5, 2020 (EST)
Out of curiosity, what does the description actually say? Does it specifically say Mario is 150 cm tall or is that just the height of the product? I think we should still mention it, but if the description doesn't actually say that's how tall Mario is, we should reword the description to reflect that. --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 13:00, November 6, 2020 (EST)
The description says "According to an Amazon listing for the height of his life-size figure, he is 150 cm (4 ft 11 in.) tall.[24]" implying that according to the statue, that is how tall Mario is. But I believe it should at least not say "he is 150cm tall" because people are gonna think that is how tall Mario is, and I've gotten into debates over whether or not Larry was the same size as Princess Peach because this wiki claimed he was, even though he is not. Especially with that kind of source, no one really knows if "Life Size" in that context is literal or not, but I'm pretty sure it isn't, and I think it's rather inappropriate to be assuming it's literal without knowing for sure, because people are going to automatically assume it's 100% factual. I also believe that this wiki really should document the twointerviews on New Donk City in the physical description saying that they imply Mario is around the size of Sonic or something, and according to Mario and Sonic, Mario is specifically 103.3cm (3ft 4inch tall) however, maybe I got that wrong. --GoldyFish110 (talk) 20:02, November 6, 2020 (EST)
Do I have permission to change this? I just want to make sure because it continues to bother me being on a wiki page...
Hi, is it okay that I change this
"While Mario is consistently portrayed as a short character, his precise height and proportions vary across media. According to an Amazon listing for the height of his life-size figure, he is 150 cm (4 ft 11 in.) tall.[27] Crossover artwork featuring Mario and Sonic the Hedgehog (who stands at 1 m / 3 ft 3 in.) shows Mario at around the same height as him, if not two or three inches shorter due to Sonic's quills. Mario's height relationship with other humans has been varied. Some media, such as Super Mario Odyssey and Mario's Time Machine, show Mario as much shorter than a realistic human, while others, including Mario Golf, the cartoons, and Super Smash Bros., show Mario's height closer relative to other humans. As far as in game information or other official materials are concerned, Mario does not have a specified height. "
Into this
"While Mario is consistently portrayed as a short character, his precise height and proportions vary across media. There is an amazon listing for a statue of Mario that is 150 cm (4 ft 11 in.) tall.[27] Although it says it's "Life Size" it is unclear if they mean it is just a big size by comparison to the buyer so it's life like or if it is actually meant to be Mario's height. Crossover artwork featuring Mario and Sonic the Hedgehog (who stands at 1 m / 3 ft 3 in.) shows Mario at around the same height as him, if not two or three inches shorter due to Sonic's quills. Although when models for Mario and Sonic at the Tokyo 2020 Olympic games are T-posed, Mario is a little bit taller than Sonic. Mario's height relationship with other humans has been varied. Some media, such as Super Mario Odyssey and Mario's Time Machine, show Mario as much shorter than a realistic human, while others, including Mario Golf, the cartoons, and Super Smash Bros., show Mario's height closer relative to other humans. While an interview with Odyssey's Director implies New Donk City was made for scaling Mario and his abilities while another interview with Miyamoto implies that the humans of New Donk City are normal people, this still does not directly confirm what Mario's height is, so as far as in game information or other official materials are concerned, Mario does not have a specified height. "
I know it's probably bothersome to the moderators and admin for me to ask this, but the Mario wiki REALLY can't be going around having information on their pages like the statue claiming to be directly confirmed as actual sources for Mario's height, and it also really should be documenting the interviews as they are actual sources that imply Mario's height, that's the way I see it. No, I'm not trying to be rude, no I'm not trying to be aggravated, no I'm not trying to be personal about it. --GoldyFish110 (talk) 01:12, November 12, 2020 (EST)
Think it's a good idea to condense plot summary
I've condensed the plot summary for Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga and I just linked for readers more interested in the plot to the main article. Does anyone find this a good way to trim the meat of these kinds of articles? Or should this go through a potential proposal process first? It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 02:14, November 26, 2020 (EST)
I've pretty much done the same thing in Baby Luigi's article, but without the main template. I really don't think you need every single nitty gritty involvement with the plot, just an overview of what they do, what their gameplay quirks are, and anything else. Ray Trace(T|C) 02:19, November 26, 2020 (EST)
Should this standardization be wiki wide? I can try to run through a proposal if that's needed. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 02:21, November 26, 2020 (EST)
It would definitely be helpful, for sure! GloverMist (talk) 14:22, November 26, 2020 (EST)
Agreed, we don't need to write every single thing a character does throughout the game, especially for major characters like Mario or Bowser who are obviously going to have a lot of information if we go that route. The plot section on the game's page should suffice. --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 14:29, November 26, 2020 (EST)
It is almost like rewriting the plot section of a game page. At best, there should be a brief mention of the plot and Mario's role, while mainly covering his abilities in said game (not going into too much detail about returning abilities however). Also, this page loads a lot slower than most other pages on this wiki. Nightwicked Bowser
Yeah, the page is a bandwidth hog. At some point, we're going to have to split off sections of their articles, Wikipedia-style, because at some point, it's going to be unsustainable to keep everything in one. Ray Trace(T|C) 14:43, November 26, 2020 (EST)
I think that's definitely going to have to happen for some of these characters at some point. There's more trimming on history sections that can be done to shorten it a little, but Mario obviously appears in nearly every piece of media related to the franchise and it's not going to be getting any smaller. --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 14:47, November 26, 2020 (EST)
(edit conflict) All right. One thing I want to do is make a template, though. In the Superstar Saga section, the content looks like this.
<span style="font-style:italic">For a complete plot summary, see the main article: [[Mario %26 Luigi: Superstar Saga#Story]]</span>
One of my issues is the possible repetitive links to the main page for the plot or if such a template is even needed (but I want to make it clear the plot has much more information in the main page). But yeah I think this does fall right in recommended by policy, so I hope I'm not, like, strong-arming whatever I think is appropriate through.😅
Also, splitting off the page has been suggested by policy itself, see MarioWiki:Article size. However, there's no specific process outlined above when a page gets too long, and the sheer overwhelming size of the page probably makes it a mammoth task, which is probably why there's a contradiction between that policy and these pages. I think the history section would be a contender to get split from the page, but this is an unprecedented move and might require a proposal. We don't have to suggest a specific byte size but there probably is a reasonable range to go through and we could at least show this and other major characters' articles as examples to judge by as well as visible impact on loading time they have. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 14:55, November 26, 2020 (EST)
I don't think that main template is necessary, since the section would already link to the main game article anyway. Ray Trace(T|C) 14:59, November 26, 2020 (EST)
I'm not sure if this edit seems like one that matters, but
Is it okay that I change "The director of Super Mario Odyssey, Kenta Motokura, stated in an interview that New Donk City was scaled to showcase the extent of Mario's abilities in a realistic environment" into "The director of Super Mario Odyssey, Kenta Motokura, stated in an interview that New Donk City was realistic to showcase the extent of Mario's abilities in a realistic environment for a scale that is easy to understand" I feel that my reworded version makes more sense with the interview, because it was the reason why New Donk City was made realistic, not the reason why they scaled the humans and the environment the way they did around Mario. I didn't think my OG interpretation seemed off as it feels similar to the current one, although the current one has better wording, but I feel my reworded thing I came up with is more accurate wording since the current one seems to make it look like they only made Mario short to showcase his abilities more realistically rather than the reason why they made New Donk City realistic was so they can showcase Mario's abilities with an easy to understand scale... All in all, I don't have much problems with the page anymore (other than the fact the statue is still there, however, the wording for referring to the statue is much better than it was before) just think it can be better, but regardless I'm glad the interviews are finally documented. --GoldyFish110 (talk) 20:48, November 29, 2020 (EST)
No one ever talks to me on here unless they have something to fault me for or say I'm in the wrong for and then they'll jump at the chance to tell me I'm wrong for whatever I said, Sorry to bother by asking this again, is my idea of re-wording the interview's part a better way to interpret it? I think it is because the interview didn't explain why they scaled it the way they did, they explained why New Donk City was made to be realistic. If I get no response again, I'll just make the edit and see what happens I guess... --GoldyFish110 (talk) 13:06, December 3, 2020 (EST)
I think it should be fine to change it. --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 14:10, December 3, 2020 (EST)
That's awesome, heheh, I just did, and thanks for letting me know, heheh. --GoldyFish110 (talk) 12:52, December 6, 2020 (EST)
I'll get back to you when I actually measure this at Super Nintendo World, but
I think Super Nintendo World is another source that puts Mario at a shorter than the typical human scale (plus, it's like a better version of the "Life Size" statue source, which I don't think meant literally, but this could be taken the same way) so for Mario's height being unspecified, I think Super Nintendo World could be documented. (I'd say whenever we have a definitive answer on how big the blocks are in Super Nintendo World, so probably not now, I want to go with a measuring tape, lmao!) --GoldyFish110 (talk) 02:39, December 19, 2020 (EST)
I edited the comment above to remove my Twitter link because I just realized this is probably why I'm getting so many people harassing me on Twitter over Mario supposedly being 155cm that Nintendo apparently confirmed it... Not saying the people who exist here are horrible, just people who happen to view the Mario wiki which is probably a lot of people... But while yeah, Super Nintendo World is probably a horrible source, so is the statue, using Super Nintendo World as a "source" is like using the statues... I'll add several imgbblinksinsteadforallI want to link on this wiki from now on, nothing from my Twitter anymore... I hope anyone understands my reasoning for that although I highly doubt anyone here cares, lmao! But I linked screenshots of the four foot plush and 50cm figure, the 50cm figure, although labelled "Life Size" is unrealistic, but does anyone want to document the four foot plush just for the heck of it since the 150cm (4'11") statue is on here? --GoldyFish110 (talk) 22:46, December 27, 2020 (EST)
New Apparence in a game
I cannot edit the page, but I want to say Mario and others Nintendo characters appears in Super Fighters M All Stars, released on mobile in 2020.
That's not an official game, that's an app that steals assets from Nintendo games without permission. MarioJC 07:30, December 27, 2020 (EST)
Vulgar Nonsense
Where the heck did anyone get that vulgar nonsense? Please provide some proof or it will be deleted. I'manumber1 (talk) 14:05, October 31, 2021 (EDT)
Just to be clear by the way I'm talking about the Satellaview magazine section as that's the only thing in this article that doesn't have official references or proof. I'manumber1 (talk) 14:12, October 31, 2021 (EDT)
No proof? Then it should be deleted immediately. I'manumber1 (talk) 19:39, November 10, 2021 (EST)
Don't think so, imo. This is like making the colored Luigis from Luigi's Mansion their own articles. Keep in mind that I'm also not quite fond of junior II's article either, memed as it may be. Ray Trace(T|C) 16:44, January 1, 2022 (EST)
Well this is different. All the Luigi's don't have names. These two do. I don't know if that makes much of a difference but I just wanted to get that out there. I'manumber1 (talk) 19:32, January 1, 2022 (EST)
I agree with Ray Trace, they look like they were just created to be palette swaps for additional players which would be too minor of a subject to have an article for. Nightwicked Bowser 19:59, January 1, 2022 (EST)
Is the Mario page still not well put together?
So i was scrolling throught the disscusion page on Mario and while scrolling i noticed quite few people saying that the Mario page was not "great". Like for example the history page having tons of grammatical errors. Now of course these disscusions are sort of old but anyways, is the Mario page fixed now or does it still have errors?
I mean... I did notice ONE error, that being how on the appearence page, Mario Party Superstars is not present — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shadic 34 (talk).
I've probably given the history section quite a few proofreading sweeps over my long stay at this wiki. I don't think the grammar errors are as present as before, and the most constant pressing issue for this page is the history section: mammoth coverage that's likely not complete as well as some unnecessary story details from the MaRPGs. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 20:00, January 19, 2022 (EST)
Jumpman only in Japanese Donkey Kong?
If I remember correctly, Mario is only called Jumpman in official Donkey Kong arcade cabinets and ports in Japan. Should the article be changed to reflect this? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 136.56.161.47 (talk).
No, Jumpman was used only in the English language arcade instructions (and its Arcade Archives re-release instructions). They were printed before he was officially named "Mario" in the American arcade flyer. In the Japanese arcade instructions, he is a nameless player character simply known as the "player"「プレイヤ」. He was still the nameless "rescue man" in the Japanese instructions for the Game & Watch version which came out in June 1982. Two months later, Nintendo of Japan used Mario when they released Donkey Kong Jr., which made it official in all locations.--Platform (talk) 08:55, November 9, 2022 (EST)
"The section then remains on the original article, the {{main}} template is used to link to the new article, and a much more top-level summary is given in that section of the original article. For example, summarizing the "History" section of Mario to give a much more top-level overview and using {{main}} to link to a new page entitled "History of Mario". "
Shouldn't we be making an article titled History of Mario? It's spelled right there in our example! It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 01:00, November 11, 2022 (EST)
It's about time that we started splitting off these massive history sections, let's do it. --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 18:40, January 27, 2023 (EST)
Support! -- KOOPACONCARNE 18:51, January 27, 2023 (EST)
All right. What do you think should be changed for this new page? Maybe readd the images I removed back? Maybe we can have more plot details? It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 19:04, January 27, 2023 (EST)
Something closer to pre-trim is probably the way to go, since that information was only reduced in the first place because of the article's length. I still think we should be more selective with images though, since there can be a tendency to go overboard with them which just doesn't look nice if there's not enough text there. --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 19:08, January 27, 2023 (EST)
Proper Catchphrase for Mario
I believe that a more proper catchphrase at the top of the page would be "Let's-a go!" from Super Mario 64. Mario uses this phrase way more often, and I don't remember Mario ever saying "It's-a me" outside of Super Mario 64 releases. But what do you guys think? TomAndTheCats (talk) 17:52, February 2, 2023 (EST)
Mario says "It's-a me" in Battle League, one of the latest Mario games. He also says "It's-a me, Mario" or "It's-a me" in Mario Tennis 64, Mario Teaches Typing 2, Mario Super Sluggers (when calling to plants), Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour, and when he gets a Double Cherry in Super Mario 3D World! Wario even riffs on it saying "It's a Wii, Wario" for a Wii-related WarioWare game. That's likely not an exhaustive list but "It's-a me, Mario" is uniquely Mario; a lot of other characters do say "Let's go". That's not to say "Let's-a go" is a bad choice, but I just think "It's-a me" is better. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 22:14, February 2, 2023 (EST)
Early sources for Mario's occupations
An overwhelming amount of Japanese websites believe Mario became established as a plumber in the 1993 American live-action film. According to them, the character's occupation simply varied from game to game and he was more of a generic everyman hero before the movie. So I went over a lot of the early official materials in Japanese and English. In Japan, Donkey Kong for the arcade had a threadbare description. The anonymous player character needs to rescue Lady from Kong. That's it. It was the American flyer that presented Mario his name and occupation as a carpenter. While the Famicom port uses Mario's name, there is no mention of him being a carpenter. The Japanese weren't aware he was ever a carpenter until much later through staff interviews.
Contrary to popular belief, Mario Bros. did not make him a plumber. The brothers are simply removing pests from their home's pipes. Mario was still described as a carpenter in Atari's MB manuals. The closest reference is in the back of the 1986 NES port's box which describes them as "plumbing", but does not explicitly state that it is their profession. It seems more of a case of home repair than paid labor.
The earliest source I could find is not in a game but from official media. The American Super Show! from 1989 unambiguously makes the brothers professional plumbers with their own company. This explains the crux of the divide. While Japan and the US share the same corpus of mainline games, official media is almost entirely segregated. Japan has its anime and manga, while the US has its comics, cartoons, and activity books which were exported to many countries but not to Japan. The characters' personalities are markedly different from each side of the Pacific. In the West, the heroes are sanitized E for Everyone but in Japan they can be crass and vulgar. For example, manga Peach can get extremely violent, jealous, and petty. This can be witnessed in the audio drama of BS Super Mario USA and Collection. The 1993 film was one of the few instances that crossed the cultural gap and introduced the concept that they are professional plumbers to Japan.
If you can find an earlier source stating Mario as a plumber, please let us know.--Platform (talk) 13:37, April 22, 2023 (EDT)
Is there any promotional material that says anything relevant? It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 14:03, April 22, 2023 (EDT)
There was a promotional interview released for Odyssey that brings up "plumber" as one of Mario's professions if that counts. Plus, them removing pests from their home's pipes was made up for the Atari version. An interview with Shigeru Miyamoto explicitly sets the game within New York's plumbing system. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 09:20, May 10, 2023 (EDT)
I see. I know that later material does more firmly establish this fact, but I was wondering how early the whole "Mario is a plumber" part happened. The discussion above suggests that the film is first to establish this, so I was asking for any material that possibly predates this movie claiming that. Mario is a plumber rather than just every day hero. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 22:43, May 10, 2023 (EDT)
I'm not sure, honestly. I think it was one of those things the American translators came up with (given it was established as early as Mario Bros.) and Japan decided to adopt later. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 11:02, May 11, 2023 (EDT)
Now with Mario, I think with Mario Bros. we had a setting of course that was underground, so I just decided Mario is a plumber. Let’s put him in New York and he can be Italian.
So, according to Miyamoto, Mario was indeed intended to be a plumber in Mario Bros..—-Mister Wu (talk) 10:11, May 14, 2023 (EDT)
That's besides the point. While Mario was intended to be a plumber during the development of MB, if nothing was published to the general public (that I'm aware of), no one would know what his job was. Atari still called him a carpenter in their MB ports. What I'm looking for is the earliest official sources stating that he is a plumber to the public. So far, I've pushed it back to mid-'89.--Platform (talk) 11:11, May 14, 2023 (EDT)
Mario's Species
I thought Mario's species was confirmed to be "Homo Nintendous", why is it labeled as human? I'manumber1 (talk) 03:29, June 8, 2023 (EDT)
Do you have a source for that? He's referred to as a human in the movie at least, can't remember other exact instances. Nightwicked Bowser 04:15, June 8, 2023 (EDT)
"Homo Nintendous" was a one-off joke from a non-retail character manual from the late 80s-early 90s, not a serious indication that he wasn't a human. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 07:01, June 8, 2023 (EDT)
Oh, it was just a joke, well-then I guess he should continue to be called Human then. I'manumber1 (talk) 16:28, June 8, 2023 (EDT)
Mario's species is Mario It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 17:16, June 8, 2023 (EDT)
New Image
Should we update the character image with the file:///MarioSMBW.png one? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Violetmushroom (talk).
We'll do that when the game releases. Nightwicked Bowser 21:20, October 13, 2023 (EDT)
Okay, but which one? The one I mentioned above of him holding the wonder flower, or the one of him jumping? I’m thinking we should use the latter for the Super Mario (form) page. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Violetmushroom (talk).
So I was editing pages, as one does, and I realize that I accidentally added a page to the meta category "articles with too many about links." I fix it, realise the Dash page is in said category, suggest to add a disambiguation page for that, the page is created, all is well. But then I realized that this article was on the page. Not good.
Now, I know it was removed from that meta category, but this article still fits said criteria. Such is why I propose the idea of making a Mario disambiguation page: include the links to Super Mario (franchise), Mario (film character), Baby Mario and the character from The Super Mario Bros. Movie, if he ever gets added or not. That way, we can have the disambiguation page, and keep the "'Jumpman' redirects here" section, as the criteria for the meta category is to have more than 3 about links. --JoeCool (talk) 12:42, October 16, 2023 (EDT)
Is the Super Mario Bros. Movie set in the same world as the games?
Because on Mario's page it uses Mario reuniting with Luigi in the movie as an example of their family bond. Isn't the movie set in a different canon than the games? And yes, I'm aware the Mario series doesn't have an official canon. I think. -- FanOfRosalina2007 (talk) 14:18, November 12, 2023 (EST)
You answered your own question. There is no canon, so everything "is canon", meaning the wiki treats the Mario movie the same way it treats any other Mario media. -- KOOPACONCARNE 15:21, November 12, 2023 (EST)
Yeah, so if the movie shows an example, we document it. How we decide to cover it is dependent on how illustrative it is. The movie's entire plot is based on Mario's rescuing Luigi so I think it's a good example to support a summary of their relationship. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 15:40, November 12, 2023 (EST)
Oh, okay! For some reason I didn't realize that. Good to know! -- FanOfRosalina2007 (talk) 22:22, November 12, 2023 (EST)
Role Section
I was thinking about adding a role section to the "List of game appearances" section that indicates what role he played in each game, like as a playable character or an antagonist or a non-playable character or a protagonist and stuff like that. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wonderman23 (talk).
I encourage it! The list of game appearances needs an overhaul to fit other character pages, see Princess Daisy. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 17:41, December 2, 2023 (EST)
I'm seeing the edits. Thank you very much for working on it. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 17:53, December 2, 2023 (EST)
Add rowspanning to the List of appearances section?
Should I add rowspanning to the table in List of appearances? So many rows have the same text so it would make the table look more organized.
Here's an example of what I'm talking about:
Header text
Header text
Header text
Example
Example
Example
Example
Example
Example
Would this be worth doing, or is the section fine how it currently is? Yours truly, RetroNintendo2008. 07:23, December 3, 2023 (EST)
No, I don't recommend rowspanning. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 21:38, December 4, 2023 (EST)
Category:Parents
So, there's this manga where Mario has a descendant named "Ima no Mario" and that means that Mario is a parent. And also, in that manga they mention that Luigi has descendants too. So, shouldn't they be put in Category:Parents? Just sayin'... Weegie baby (talk)
... That sounds a little freaky, but truth be told, the wiki observes other wacky manga stuff. I think it should... maybe??? Wonder Time!
Great, then it's settled: Mario, Luigi and Peach (I found out she has descendance in another manga) are in Category:Parents from now on! And don't forget to sign with ~~~~~ after your sig. Like, just write ~~~~~ after it and the date of your edit will appear. Weegie baby (talk) 10:26, November 9, 2024 (EST)
Regarding Mario's game appearances
Hi, I can't edit this page possibly because of the 10 edits rule but I'll post this here for those who can.
In the game appearances section of Mario, there are things that needs to be tweaked and added, more specifically the year 1999.
1. Mario Party 2 should be placed at the end of that year as it was the last 1999 Mario game to be released, releasing 6 days after Mario Artist: Paint Studio on 17th of December.
2. Add Donkey Kong 64 to the list as you get to play the original 1981 in the game and even plays a major part to get golden banana that is used to progress in the game, thus making Mario one of the playable characters (well, only in that section specifically). Place it after Mario Golf (Game Boy Color) and before Mario Artist: Paint Studio, as DK64 was released in November of that year between these two games.
Thank you for reading
Jaccblacc203 (talk) 07:57, October 25, 2024 (EDT)
Why doesn’t the main character of the franchise have a trivia section?
Seriously wtf? There’s more obscure Mario trivia than there is for any other character in the series! Him not having a trivia section is criminal!
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thekingdomofwah (talk).
Trivia sections are generally for information that is relevant, yet not really suited for any particular section within the article. Perhaps there just isn't any random information to warrant a trivia section. Sure, sounds unlikely, but guess it's just packed in well enough. Tails777 Talk to me!17:51, November 27, 2024 (EST)
Might also be scattered across different pages (say, specific games and what not). Technetium (talk) 17:53, November 27, 2024 (EST)
I always have the opinion that trivia sections are to be avoided at all costs. Ray Trace(T|C) 20:51, November 27, 2024 (EST)
Mario's height
See the first argument that appears here and tell me your thoughts. Weegie baby (talk) 14:47, December 24, 2024 (EST)
The first argument has no source backing it up, so it is irrelevant. The other arguments are using in-game measurements and model data, making them not suitable for the Mario Wiki. That page is only a theory and should remain as such. — Lady Sophie(T|C) 14:56, December 24, 2024 (EST)
Yeah that wiki is host to wild speculation such as this one[12], claiming itself to be "high consensus", that tries to measure the chemical composition of the sun in a video game game skybox to be 73.46% hydrogen by using a photo filter and matching the color of it to the emission spectrum of hydrogen. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 15:39, December 24, 2024 (EST)
In my defense (as one of the contributors to that community), "high consensus" is specifically within our community, and that wiki itself is very outdated, especially regarding some of those pages. I personally disagree with the one you mentioned for example, but that's neither here nor there.— Lady Sophie(T|C) 16:23, December 24, 2024 (EST)
Yes I figured that statement wasn't an actual endorsement by the editors, but to the unitiated, it's not as easy to ascertain. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk)
Ah, sorry to bother you at such a late hour. D: I'm all right; high school's nice, almost the end of my freshman year. It's been fast, actually. :o Bean 01:19, 11 May 2011 (EDT) Hope to talk to ya soon. By the way, do you or your bros have Skypes or Steam accounts? Bean 01:19, 11 May 2011 (EDT)
Mario Kart Wii Character Select Icons
Hey MC, do you mind if you could put all the currently uploaded icons of MKW and put them in Gallery:Mario Kart Wii?--UM3000
Hello, the subpage you have for userboxes is not allowed per the new userspace policy. You need to merge it to your main userpage. Thanks.--Knife (talk) 10:59, 19 February 2012 (EST)
Friend request
Hey there Master crash I am also a fellow christian and I was wondering if you woul like to be friends if so include your friend code and contact me at user:meeper thanks:)
so....
do you want to be friends? user:meeper
my forum account
A while ago (around the time I made my last contribution to my userpage) all my accounts logged out, including for the forum. I figured that asking a forum admin would be a good way to get my account back. My display name is "Allan" on the forums. My username is "The Cosmic Vin" (as long as I'm here, can you change that to Vinnie?) Vinnie
Friends
Hi, i'm User:SombreroGuy. Want to be friends? copy my user box , then i can copy yours!
Remember that when you create user sub-pages (like a talk archive), you have to add a link to them somewhere on your user or talk page. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 11:59, 24 December 2007 (EST)
When you want to delete articles or merge them with others, provide reasons. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 12:03, 24 December 2007 (EST)
Just a friendly reminder
Before you process to merge an article with another one (Like you did with Ax), I think you should first discusss on the concerned article talkpage, not everyone might agree with you and it will avoid the sysops pointless deleting work that could have be easily avoid with a discussion. If another user disagree, but you still think your stance is valid, you can run a Proposal to see what the community point of view is.
Blitzwing
"Point of view" was only a way of speaking. If you make a proposal about the merge, users will vote on it. If at least 3 users support your proposal and that there is not an equal/superior number of users opposing it, the article will be merged after the proposal pass. If the opposite happen, well, the article won't be merged.
Blitzwing, understand?
Hello. Knife suited me better, right?Knife (talk) 12:36, 24 December 2007 (EST)
Impersonation
Thanks for impersonating me on Userpedia today! But CheckUser tells no lies. Wa TC@Y 15:52, 3 January 2008 (EST)
Dummmmmmy, you should've just left me alone when I added you to my enemy's list. Besides, you have a lot others, like I dared to tramp you -_-' User:Crypt raider/sig
Warning
This is a warning to stop your inappropriate behavior (Flaming other users) on the Super Mario Wiki. Please adhere to the rules or you will be blocked from editing this site. If you feel this warning was undeserved, you may appeal it.
You ever heard of making a new e-mail account -_-' GrodenETCEl
This is your last warning. The next time you break the rules in any way, you will be blocked from editing the Super Mario Wiki. If you feel this last warning was undeserved, you may appeal it.
XzelionETC A warning for Intimidating behaviour/harassment
Plus, I'm only 3 years younger -_- User:Crypt raider/sig And my bro's e-mail is sony_sgea_nintendo@yahoo.com you happy? He won't give a rat's hat about be flamed, because they're always in our spam folder.
You know, I wasn't being a coward, I don't want to be annoyed. And why do you vandilize random sites? It's not cool. And I have a userbox for you, on my userpage. I think you should add it to your userpage/ GrodenETCEl
I'm...I'm sorry I hated you so much. I didn't know you had autism. My brother has it. But I think it's a different kind. So I just wanted to apoligize. GrodenETCEl
That's what my bro has! GrodenETCEl is being st00pid right now
Can you please chill out? I don't hate you. HyperToad
you have asperger's syndrome?
cool! me too Bigger sid 11:20, 23 February 2008 (EST)
its true. you would enjot [16] because its an asperger's community.--RapidRocker Brawl FC:4296-2708-0195 17:58, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
hi
hey isn't your user account InuYashaZero --User:Hemu/sig
Moved Talk Archives
I moved your talk archives because you were Dummmmmmy, and then now you're RapidRocker.
This user has been blocked for over four years... MasterR.O.B.
"However if a baby Waluigi doesnt appear soon, it will be clear cut proof that Waluigi is indeed Foreman Spike."
And this is logical . . . how? Sure, they have the same nose, but, one look and you can tell they're not the same. Waluigi's a skinny, tall guy. Foreman Spike is this fat slob.
Waluigi Freak 99 17:40, 28 August 2006 (EDT)
well waluigi has many references to foreman spike like Mario kart ds when he has a truck that looks like his and ddr Mario mix his theme is from wrecking crew-rickmaster
Collaboration (10/28 to 11/11)
Talk about anything with other users working on the collaboration here. :) Wa TC@Y 23:15, 28 October 2006 (EDT)
Quote
We should cite where the quote came from, right by the speaker's name (just like in the Bowser article). -- Son of Suns
Wario World's inside handbook, You guys know how he talks in his guides WarioLoaf (talk)
Images
No offense, but I think there are a bit too many images than the article needs here. -- Sir Grodus
That's the gallery. I can clean the article images, though. WarioLoaf (talk)
Daisy has too much images as well. I say all of the Big Eight character shoulds get a giant gallery. PaperJorge
I'm not sure if a gallery of images is legal. Images are supposed to be used to enhance the information in the article, to provide a visual representation to help our understanding. There must be commentary. I believe a bunch of images in a gallery is a violation of copyright law. -- Son of Suns
Untrue, my uncle's an atterny. He knows the inns and outs of Copyrights. This Wiki is based off of hundreds of Copy righted characters (Mario, Wario , Luigi, Boo, ect). The Gallerey represents the various looks of the Purple Plumber for the last decade or so. It's nothing illegal. WarioLoaf (talk)
For once, SoS, I think you're in the wrong here. Galleries give readers even more insight on, in this case, Wario's appearances and roles in the different variety of games he's included in. A gallery like this should be done for all of the Big Eight. Wa TC@Y 22:21, 8 December 2006 (EST)
I agree with Warioloaf and Wayoshi. You are wrong SoS. O_o First time you're wrong right? PaperJorge
To tell everyone, yes all the big eight is GONNA GET A GALLERY. just I've been real busy with the Piantas, Mario sunshine, and Mario Kart stuff WarioLoaf (talk)
I'm justing getting my info from the wiki's character image policy: This image is an illustration of a character in a video game, comic book, or animated television program or film. The copyright for it is most likely owned by either the publisher/producer and/or artist(s) producing the work in question. It is believed that the use of low-resolution images of character artwork for commentary on the character in question qualifies as fair use under United States copyright law. See Wikipedia:Fair use for more information. If we can legitimately argue that the image is being used for commentary on the character, then we can keep the gallery. However, does a gallery provide commentary? -- Son of Suns
It comments on how the character is presented in other games and in which games the character appears in. Wa TC@Y 17:23, 10 December 2006 (EST)
Same here, dude. It practicly shows Wario's carreir turn-about. From Hard hat and long sleeves to Bowler cap and short sleeves. let it go. WarioLoaf (talk)
Okay. Cool. Just wanted to make sure everyone was aware of the copyright policy and that the community feels we are obeying that policy. -- Son of Suns
Well, it was a responsible thing you brought it up :) WarioLoaf (talk)
You keep saying that I am a great member in this community, but you never credit yourself. This was a good argument to bring up. ^_^ Wa TC@Y 18:04, 10 December 2006 (EST)
I've copied down the information from Wario's trophy in SSB:M. Where should I put it? Usually, I'd just put it where ever I felt like, but since this is a Big Eight article, I thought I'd ask first. Wanderingshadow 12:02, 19 December 2006 (EST)
You need to create a new section in Games for the SSB series. Then, put it. It's a good thing that you asked this time. Wa TC@Y 15:04, 19 December 2006 (EST)
Plus, no matter if it's a Big Eight Article, put the info down and we can work to fit it in with the pattern of images and such WarioLoaf (talk)
Vote for quote
As the title says, this is a vote to decide the main quote. --KPH2293 16:34, 1 February 2007 (EST)
“So admit it..... Don't I look cool in the game screens? Those long, muscular legs on my sturdy toned frame.... I'm the perfect specimen of a man..... What!?!? You say I look fat and my quadruple chin looks like a waterfall of flab? Shut up! That's just because you have your television set up on widescreen display!”
I'm all for lenghy quotes. ;D This one's more original, and shows off who Wario is. I prefer it. :) (And, I only just got why Quote #1 was funny. xD It's-a Lii! Luigi hc! See, not original. ;P) ~Luigihc
Please bring up any other comments on the FA Nomination Page
Quality of writing is low.
Grammar needs major work.
Need to figure out if Wario hired Tatanga to kidnap Daisy.
We need to detail Wario’s battles in Super Mario Land 2.
Game sections in the biography can be expanded and clarified. What are some of the gameplay mechanics related to Wario, what’s the story, etc. Settings and items need to be clarified: where did Wario go in Wario Land II?; what kind of statue did Wario acquire in Wario Land? The Wario Land 4 section does not even name the Final Boss! There are just too many holes in the biographies. It needs a major rewriting.
Wario World section needs to be greatly expanded, as well as WarioWare titles (some are not even named).
“You”s need to be removed.
Powers and abilities can be expanded.
Key Relationships should be expanded (such as Mario and Waluigi) while others (like DK, Bowser, Peach, etc.) should be removed.
Ditto. It needs a lot of cleanup and has a lot of misspellings... which I corrected here. This isn't good enough to be featured yet. --TheYellowDart—(T/C) 20:13, 7 April 2007 (EDT)
And too many images. It sandwiches text, a lot of these images are extraneous, and it's too hard on 56kers. - A Link to the Past 00:53, 10 May 2007 (EDT)
May I also add that most of the images lack both a source and an explanation as to why they are necessary? For instance, the Wario Blast one - I see nothing to say why it can be used or why it needs to be used, and even though it obviously came from somewhere, its origin is a mystery. - A Link to the Past 00:56, 10 May 2007 (EDT)
They are there to give an image description to readers who are more visual learners. Plumber
And they lack source and any good reason why we need those exact images. Oh, wow, the Wario Blast image tells the reader that... um, Wario looks exactly the same as he usually does. Very informative. Excessive image count + no reason for many of the images + no source for the images (which is implied as claiming ownership of the images) = remove many of the images. - A Link to the Past 04:28, 11 May 2007 (EDT)
Please bring up any other comments on the FA Nomination Page
No voting was really needed, we use the current main artwork as main images anyway. --WarioLoaf (talk) 21:46, 9 June 2007 (EDT)
SSBB Pics
Does anyone think that we have too many SSBB Pics of Wario on this page? I think we should only have one pic of him in SSBB (Excluding Official Art). Anyone else think so? My Bloody Valentine
I would also like to point out my comment at Princess Daisy regarding Notable Screenshots sections. Because not all screenshots are notable. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 04:17, 22 August 2007 (EDT)
Mario and Wario, cousins?
When I fist joined I read the Wario article. It said that Wario and Mario were cousins, and it was confirmed by NOE. Now I can't see this info anymore. Was it true? Why did it got deleted? ShroobyThe Wario fan here wanna know.
-sigh- Oh boy. Mario and Wario were cousins in a nintendo power comic. This may have been removed because the comics aren't canon, but Mario barely has an understandable canon, so who knows whats canon or not. Canon should just be shot from a cannon. |:(
Why has the top quote been changed to a much shorter one? Before the change, there was a much longer quote, which was even voted for on this talk page. The long one really tells more about Wario's character than the current one. --Grandy02 09:20, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
Plumber?
Has it ever been explicitly stated that Wario's a plumber? Or are people just assuming he is because he's Mario's "evil twin"-type rival, and dresses like Mario (wearing overalls does not make you a plumber). Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall Wario ever doing anything plumbing-related... - Walkazo 19:59, 22 December 2008 (EST)
Not to the best of my knowledge. Perhaps people are thinking of his "appearance" in "Plumbers Academy," where a character slightly resembling him was going to school to be a plumber, but even if that was Wario, that doesn't prove that he IS a plumber. Stumpers! 18:59, 23 December 2008 (EST)
Okay, that's what I figured too (dunno why I didn't mention "Plumbers Academy" in my first post, though). Anyway, thanks for your imput! - Walkazo 19:27, 23 December 2008 (EST)
Image
The image that was shown as MP5 (until I corrected it) is actually from MP4. Could someone please get an image from MP5? Transcript 00:47, 8 February 2009 (EST)
quote change
The quote has been changed.... Was this decided anyware? I personally think the last one showed more about the character of wario, and this ones way too long. Should I change it back? LuigfreakMai talk
Creator of Wario
As much as I admire the work of Gunpei Yokoi, but where was it stated that he created Wario (plus Daisy and Pit)? He was the producer of SML2, but this doesn't mean he created Wario, the Samus character was also not created by Yokoi, even if he produced the original Metroid. --Grandy02 09:13, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
I'm not sure if IGN is a reputable source, but according to them, Hiroji Kiyotake designed Wario (Second paragraph, second sentence). --Knife (talk) 16:42, 16 October 2009 (EDT)
In most cases IGN is reputable I think. But what you mentioned is already known for sure. In the article on Hiroji Kiyotake, the staff credits of WarioWare, Inc. are cited, which list his name under "Original Wario Design." However, my question is about the creator, who is not necessary also the character's designer. The article says Gunpei Yokoi, but I haven't found a reliable source. If there isn't any, we have to live with the fact that the name of the creator of Wario, Daisy and Pit has just not been confirmed so far. --Grandy02 17:15, 16 October 2009 (EDT)
What makes you the creator of Wario, then? --Zelderu Maryoto 21:37, 19 December 2009 (EDT)
Basically the person who thought up Wario. The designer, Kiyotake in this case, is not necessarily the creator, as he could also have made a character design based on the more or less detailed instructions of the character's creator, whoever that was. --Grandy02 14:49, 27 January 2010 (EST)
Wario Waft
In Brawl, is that affected by eating food? Purplebackpack89 18:55, 18 November 2009 (EST)
Wait what? Wario and Mona have a romantic interest? Where's that stated?I know it wasen't stated in WWTouched and WWTwisted, the first warioware game and warioware diy.Count Bonsula I need blood...
Mona's Mega Party Game$! profile states "For some reason, she's a little smitten with Wario." And in one of the break scenes of Wario's second stage in the first WarioWare, Inc., Wario dreams of Mona and says "How cute" or something. Well, this is basically all I know about this "romantic interest." --Grandy02 13:22, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
Quote to long
I think the quote is to long. there must be a shorter one for the top of the page...
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lu-igi board (talk).
It may be long, but it fits the character's personality. Also, please sign your comments.Count Bonsula I need blood...
New Wario image?
In the newest issue of Nintendo Power under an article about famous videogame couples, they had a sidebar with dateless gaming stars with an image of Wario that I have never seen before. The picture was of Wario reclining on his side picking his ear with his finger. The render however seems to be a recent CGI image of Wario more than likely from the recent games due to the quality and model.
Does anyone have a large image of it anywhere and if so, do they know which game it was from? I have scoured the internet and my vast Mario library at home looking for some information.--Lord Robotnik 22:50, 20 January 2011 (EST)
Could you scan this image and post it here? --Reversinator 13:51, 16 May 2011 (EDT)
Wario World Quote
In Wario's quote in the game Wario World for the Gamecube I say..he looks fat and his quadruple chin looks like a waterfall of flab!
Yup, it's fake. Actually, Wario was about to be a cameo and he even has his own sprite, which further makes the information fake. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 14:20, 17 March 2013 (EDT)
The website even says "April Fools Day", so... Ray Trace(T|C)
partners in time (cameo)
in PIT, Mario and Luigi are brought aboard, where Toadsworth disregards their story, thinking that they were not right in the head. The heroes, both past and present, then witness what has happened to Peach's Castle. It has been turned into Shroob Castle, with a giant Princess Shroob statue in the center.
Mario and the others in the Koopa Cruiser.Suddenly, a figure appears above the Koopa Cruiser. It is Princess Shroob, who launches a missile at them, taking down their engine.
while this is happening, the upper- screen flashes red, and luigi and baby luigi get, while the screen is red, a yellow cap and a purple shirt, what references to wario.
a example for this is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRNjduIAHxg
at 8:02
Introduction sentence
Was seeing this on the main page and am thinking the first sentence of this article could use some rewriting, though I don't want to mess with it due to the featured status. It seems clumsy with two clauses starting with "and" in a row (mayhap it can be split into two sentences?) and isn't clear on the character's status as an anti-hero (it first implies it as his core role, then contradicts itself in stating that he is only "occasionally an anti-hero" later in the same sentence).--vellidragon (talk) 17:10, 21 July 2013 (EDT)
Profiles and Statistics page
I'm adding this here because if I add this to the Profiles and Statistics page it won't be seen. For some reason, on that page, nearly everything is italicized; everything except the title and the opening sentence. All of the parts that shouldn't be italicized (headers, character names) are in italics, and even the article, discussion, edit, history, move, watch, and user panel parts are italicized! I'm not sure who to direct this to so I'm just writing this here instead. MarioComix (talk) 01:27, 6 April 2014 (EDT)
The Super Mario Bros Super Show
I heard something stating that Wario and Waluigi were actually in The episode Plumbers academy. Was it really Wario and Waluigi, or was it just a Wario and Waluigi look alike. I'm not sure if it was them or not can someone confirm ?
About Wario Stealing Koopa's Kart in MK64
The article states that Wario is said to have stolen Koopa Troopa's kart in the MK64 instruction manual. But I've been looking through the manual over and over again and I can't see anything about Koopa Troopa or his stolen kart anywhere. So where exactly is this information stated? Did I miss it somehwow? Or is it in a different region's manual? Or maybe it was actually in a players guide? Whatever the case, I think this bit of information should be cited. Buddy Christ (talk)
I swear I removed that one before. Anyway, I've checked copies of both the NA and PAL manual and neither of them state such a thing, so I removed it. If that information is added back, it better be sourced. --Glowsquid (talk) 20:52, 18 October 2014 (EDT)
Yeah, I'm going to change the quote to something a LOT little shorter.
No it isn't: First: A quote isn't determined by length, but by how much it represents charecter. Its ok to have long quote, but it has to represent him. It's good. And you can't just change a quote without agreement (TPP) I think.Toadbrigade5 (talk) 21:22, 18 November 2014 (EST)
The "Every Copy of SM64 is personalized" rumor.
Should we mention the Wario Apparation rumor or not? I understand Wikipedias do not add rumors, but would a mention in the Trivia section count as addable? - Bowser64 (Talk -Sandbox) 19:50, October 30, 2021 (EDT)
It's more of a meme than an actual rumor and we don't really talk about that. Ray Trace(T|C) 19:53, October 30, 2021 (EDT)
Under Mario Tennis's "Mario Tennis" subheading, Wario is described as having 'long sleeves despite that in his artwork and the game's title screen, he is shown wearing long sleeves' which is incorrect and makes no sense. Wario has short sleeves in-game, but the cover art depicts him with long sleeves, which is what I believe the author was trying to say.
Under Super Smash Bros. Ultimate's subheading "Classic Mode", there is a spelling error: 'siganture' instead of the word 'signature'.
I can't edit these so I'm posting them here for someone who can. Thanks. K1NGSH0RTIE
The corrections have been applied. Thank you! It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 14:31, April 22, 2023 (EDT)
Primary image
Wario has two main outfits: the "plumber" outfit used in the Super Mario franchise and most Wario Land games, and the "biker" outfit used in the WarioWare and Smash Bros. series. The standard practice for primary images on this wiki is to use official artwork from the most recently-released game that uses the character's main design (without any game-specific outfit or aesthetic differences). However, for Wario in particular, there is a strong argument to be made that the "biker" outfit is one of his main designs.
My question is: should Wario's WarioWare design be considered a primary-enough design to allow its use as the main image for the article? Does WarioWare: Get It Together! (2021) count as a more recently-released game than Super Mario Party (2018) with official art that doesn't have any game-specific design details? If not, why not? jan Misali (talk · contributions) 16:03, March 30, 2024 (EDT)
The WarioWare design appears to be series specific which we generally don't use for infobox images. It's also why we don't use King Boo's Luigi's Mansion design for his infobox image, even when Luigi's Mansion 3 was his latest appearance. Nightwicked Bowser 16:27, March 30, 2024 (EDT)
Well, it's mostly series-specific. It is also used in Smash as his default outfit, and appears in Super Mario Maker and Yoshi's Woolly World as costumes. Regardless, that does make sense. The "plumber" design is used in a wider variety of Mario media, so I suppose it is reasonable to prioritize it for that reason. Thanks for clearing that up! jan Misali (talk · contributions) 16:37, March 30, 2024 (EDT)
I would say this could be worthy of something like the Thwomp proposal, because I do think both designs are about equally important to Wario as a character.— Lady Sophie(T|C) 18:45, March 30, 2024 (EDT)
I kinda agree with LadySophie. While Wario's overalls design is the most common and notable appearance, his biker appearance is just as noteworthy and important to his character. King Boo's Luigi's Mansion design I could also say is in a similar boat, maybe to a lesser extent, as it's not nearly as frequent as the main design, but even that feels notable enough to King Boo's character portrayal in Luigi's Mansion. Regardless, a proposal concerning such things doesn't sound like a bad idea. Tails777 Talk to me!
I would say the plumber one takes priority and the WarioWare outfit, while important, doesn't come close to the visibility of the overalls outfit that it needs to be in the infobox too. Thwomp's case has been generally going back and forth pretty freely; this one is more primary-secondary. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk)
Easter Egg :D
Can we change the words "gluttony" and "gluttonous" to be spelled "glutonny" and "glutonnous" as a little hint towards the best Wario player in smash bros? I think it would be a really niche, neat easter egg for anyone keeping an eye out, and a tribute to the GOAT of ultimate. Dogmccheese (talk)
No. The Mario Wiki is meant to be professional, and is not biased. Sparks (talk) 23:21, November 30, 2024 (EST)
and now it's long!
'Negative' Impact
I recently added to the abilities section a mention on the Negative Zone final smash and its possible corelation to his becoming Mr. L in SPM. But I just now found it to be removed. If someone could tell me if it is because it is merely a theory, or if it was because of something else, that'd be helpful. User:BoomOfThe4thWall
it's just a theory, otherwise the game would mention it somewhere.
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Luigi time! (talk).
Age
Is it possible that Mario and Luigi are twins, but Mario is older by X minutes? HK
Yes. It's possible. --Son of Suns 13:33, 29 June 2006 (EDT)
Im just thinking that that is how is they how they are twins, AND one is older. (This previously unsigned comment was made by HK-47.)
Well, the Mario games don't exactly have perfect continuity. For one thing, Shy Guys, Bob-ombs, and Birdos were both dreams in SMB2, but they're real in other games. (Most likely, Mario knew about them before his dream, and that's why he dreamed about them.)
For this one, the theories are that: a) Baby Mario & Baby Luigi are different from Mario & Luigi. Highly unlikely.
b) Mario's older by a few minutes. More likely.
c) Nintendo retconned the info seen in Yoshi's Island, or forgot all about it when they described Luigi as the younger. Likely, but not as likely as B.
So, either B or C.
Waluigi Freak 99 14:45, 9 September 2006 (EDT)
Well, Mario did encounter those enemies as a baby in Yoshi's Island, so it is logical that he would dream about them. Also, Nintendo did retcon Yoshi's Island in the GBA release. In the beginning of the game, instead of refering to Mario and Luigi as twins (like in SNES version), Mario and Luigi are simply called brothers. -- Son of Suns
Funny how people don't realise that twins can't be born at the exact same time. Of course one is older than the other. It can be by minutes or hours.
- Yoshi Master
It doesn't seem like they could be twins. BulletBill 12:56, 7 November 2011 (EST)
In my opinion, I think Nintendo made a mistake when they said they were twins. PaperJorge
I think so too. In the Japanese games, it clearly states Mario is older that Luigi, and most likely not twins. Marcelagus(T • C • E)
And then there is every game out there that retcons what you just said. Angry Sun 15:00, 13
May 2007 (EDT)
I think... That if they were teins they would be called the mario twins...
User:Remiel
If you had a twin, wouldn't he still be your brother? Mumbles 23:48, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
I will believe what Luigi's trophy states in SSBB: "Mario's YOUNGER TWIN brother..." WK
OMG I don't really care because Luigi ROX!
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by PrincessDaisyROX (talk).
In Yoshi's Island, they were carried by the stork at the same time, so they probably are twins. Mario certainly is some minutes older than Luigi. I think in one of the episodes of "The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3", Luigi says it. --Xeze 13:43, 21 November 2008 (EST)
Mario is about 27.
Luigi is about 25. Luigi is the younger one. --Jayt55 16:38, 30 November 2008 (EST)
At the end of Chapter 7-1 in Super Paper Mario, Luvbi says to Tippi "Dost thou pine for yonder hairy twins?" But then again, I just watched one episode of the Super Mario Bros. Super Show and they celebrate Luigi's birthday without celebrating Mario's. WK
I always thought Mario is 31 and Luigi is 28. So that would mean Mario is older than Luigi by a few years. But Mario just seems older to me for some reason. User:Lemmy Koopa Fan
It doesn't seem like they could be twins. BulletBill 12:57, 7 November 2011 (EST)
I always thought that Mario & Luigi were twins, and that Mario was older by 30 minuets. Plus, Super Mario BROS sounds better than Super Mario TWINS, so they probably are twins and not just bros. Plus they look almost exactly the same. Even though they're bros they wouldn't look THAT closely alike unless they were twins!
They don't look that much alike. In some games if you look really closely, you'll notice that Luigi's overalls are a slightly darker shade than Mario's, and Luigi wears green and Mario wears red, the each have their own symbol (a red M for Mario and a green L for Luigi), Luigi is slightly taller and thinner and even their mustaches are different. Also, Mario and Luigi don't usually speak like other characters, but Luigi does it a bit more than Mario, as only Luigi would speak English in Super Paper Mario. They also weren't born at the same time. And twins don't have to look alike. Just because Mario and Luigi look alike doesn't mean they're twins!M&L Beware my fury! 12:49, 30 January 2012 (EST)
Well, of course they're gonna wear different outfits! And unless they're IDENTICAL twins, their physical features would always look a little different. How do you know they weren't born at the same time? Plus, doesn't Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games say they're twins? Plus, Luvbi says they're twins in SPM. All the signs point to them being twins, so until Nintendo gives info that says otherwise, I say they're twins.
P.S.: They were carried by the stork at the same time in Yoshi's Island, and their bond was so strong that Baby Mario new where Baby Luigi was when Kamek kidnapped Baby Luigi.
I'm agree that he is Mario's Twin Brother. Talk less, read more. You better read the wiki page carefully before asking. 180.254.179.58 23:42, 22 August 2014 (EDT)
You do realize you're responding to a 2 year old message, right? Ray Trace(T|C) 23:44, 22 August 2014 (EDT)
Okay, i am gonna forget about this. I only want to say that they should see the wiki page carefully. 180.254.179.58 23:50, 22 August 2014 (EDT)
"Yeah it's likely that Luigi is just Mario's younger twin! I'm a younger twin by two minutes...But many years older Mario fandom wise!" -Luigidude17, twin brother of Luigigirl17(not a real user, just my sister's nickname.)
SMB Wonder is another canonical (in-game text!) mention of his "twin but younger twin" status. Could this go in the article’s Age section? Pichugetic (talk) 18:33, March 21, 2024 (EDT)
Images
If anyone can help finding images, I will be happy :). PaperJorge
Why has this picture been deleted?? --Grandy02 06:56, 22 June 2007 (EDT)
I myself am not sure. According to the deletion log, KPH2293 (talk), who is VERY trustworthy and all that, deleted it on the claims that it was unused, despite the fact that the page links to it even now. It's no problem, though; I'll just re-upload the image. (And by the way, KPH also deleted Image:Staringcontest?.gif and Image:Luigitennis.jpeg on the same terms; both of these images are still linked through from the article. I'll ask him why he did this...) YELLOWYOSHI398
Just so you know, I noticed many Luigi Pictures that are on Luigi's page that say "No pages Link to this file". However, they are on Luigi's page, yet they the image says that they are not on this page. Something might be wrong with this page, but I don't know. My Bloody Valentine
Hmm... Currently, all surviving images linked to this page state that they are indeed linked to this page. I dunno; what you said still could've been what caused it... YELLOWYOSHI398
If something like this happens again, slap the images on your talk page in a gallery, it works all the time ;) XzelionETC
Super Mario 64 DS
May I ask why the Super Mario 64 DS section is placed after Paper Mario? Isn't it a remake of Super Mario 64, and thus occupies the same spot in the timeline? Dinosaur bob 13:27, 1 July 2007 (EDT)
Actually it's matter of opinion. I personally think the "remake" is in the same continuity as the original and they both happened at different times. the DS adventure could have happened after Paper Mario and the original happened before for all we know. -- WarioLoaf (talk) 01:37, 8 September 2007 (EDT)
According to MarioWiki: Chronology, remakes should be listed in a biography in the same section the original would occupy. This is an official policy. -- Son of Suns
Some of the Pics were reused from some of the same games, plus there was too many of them getting in the way, I didn't change much to the gallery, but please, no more in the main article! I mean, talk a look at the Part talking about Mr L, we got too many pics at that point, I think we can put of of those in the gallery. Luigi 7
Can someone explain to me what is meant when Mario tells Luigi good job but then steps on his foot in Mario Power Tennis? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cwjakesteel (talk).
Spring Cleaning!
THIS has a few broken links and stuff. Can someone go over it so it looks like a great Featured Article? I saw a broken link and I see too many red links. Minimariolover10
It is gonna take a lot of work to get this article to FA status. It will take many users, and probably many months for that to happen. -- Son of Suns
I disagree because it's more of a...well, it's a quote from an unpopular game and people just like it because they use it in a lot of Youtube Poop. Paper Jorge ( Talk·Contributions)·
Oh, I don't know, all I know is Luigi is so not respected enough.
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by PrincessDaisyROX (talk).
Wanting lotsa spaghetti reflects well on Luigi's personality better. --Koopapoopa 00:43, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
And plus, The famous "Mama Luigi" quote is used on the article, too. YTP or not, it's still a "famous" quote.
Maybe it should be mentioned. Moshata 18:38, 20 July 2011 (EDT)
I think that the quotes should mention how Luigi often speaks in Italian in the Mario & Luigi series- RPG Gamer.
Relationships
I've removed Donkey Kong and added E. Gadd instead, I know there's more to it, but can someone add to it? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gamerlad2 (talk).
I edited the relationship between him and King Boo a bit I will see what I can find more on E Gadd. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gamerlad2 (talk).
Add some stuff about Luigi's "element!"
On Wikipeda, they mention Luigi's thunder-hand from M&L:SS and how his symbol in Strikers was a thunder-bolt. Add this in! (Without taking the exact text of course)
Klaus Kratchet
In Mario Super Sluggers, Luigi has tornado when pitching/batting. This could mean he has air powers.
Vote for the Main Quote
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change to option 1 3-1-1
As the title says, this is a vote to decide the main quote. I want to change it, but I suppose I should bring this here before making any change. Blitzwing
Knife (talk) 13:56, 15 December 2007 (EST) Quote from a better known game
SiFi, Youtube poops mean nothing on this wiki. Though I always thought "I'm my bro's bro." was a good one.
Lavender, "I'm my bro's bro" is from Super Paper Mario. Not youtube. And, "that's mama luigi to you mario" was actually in the show, there may be a lot of youtube poops for that episode, but Luigi really says that.
Option 2
Oppose. More people know this quote from the intro to Garfield and Friends than from Hotel Mario. Besides, it's already the quote on Spaghetti by now. --Tepples 17:44, 21 March 2009 (EDT)
Support. So? It still reflects Luigi's personality.--Koopapoopa 00:55, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
Option 3
I think this option should be because:
1.)mario could just change Luigi to mario
and
2.)Mario could have easily said te same thing. in fact, both of them could have said it-Chandud
vote for the Main quote
I think that "I'm my bro's bro" from super paper mario is a better one, because it shows luigi's personality, in every game i've played luigi calls mario "bro". option one is from mario kart and crossovers, option two sounds more like mario then luigi, and option 3 only applies to one episode of super mario world.
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Luigi time! (talk).
Super Mario Galaxy
Where are images of him playable in that game?(Super F22 Pilot 04:09, 8 January 2008 (EST))
There aren't very many images of the playable Luigi around. (DarkZero)
Well please upload the image if you at least find any. Also I did was able to play as Luigi by collecting all 120 Stars and switched from Mario to Luigi but then you have to start all the way to the beginning.(Super F22 Pilot 03:37, 10 January 2008 (EST))
"Paper" Luigi...
Luigi's image in the TTYD section looks shopped. His mustache doesn't part from his nose and his eyes are too close together. NMRodo I remember a similar issue with Tayce T.
Dodo's right, it could possibly just be fan artwork (The uploader...) Mr. Guy the Guy Talk!E
Yeah, it's quite obviously a fake. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 11:10, 21 January 2008 (EST)
It is if you look closely the bold line looks thin. And his overalls are light blue! (Aren't they suppose to be jean coloured) File:LuigiPM2.PNGPrincess Grapes Butterfly 20:59, 15 February 2008 (EST) (And his ear is all mess up.)
Luigi's Final Smash
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=LckvnqXmujc
Its strange, but it still deserves a mention and article. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]]).
Where does he get that smash from anyway? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]]).
apparently it's because of his dislike from being in his bro's shadow.
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Luigi time! (talk).
Early artwork
Is there any artwork of Luigi from an early game, like Super Mario Bros. 2, or Super Mario World, or something? I want to see what he originally looked like in one of those platformers. Is there any on the wiki? If it's not in this article, probably not. (I know there is artwork of him from SMB2, because there is of the other characters... where do images like that come from?) CrystalYoshi 19:11, 27 February 2008 (EST)
You can find a lot by looking at the artwork for the remake (Super Mario Advance). There's one of him running, pulling up a turnip, and maybe one more. Now, whether these were the original artwork, I don't know. Stumpers! 23:13, 27 February 2008 (EST)
The manuals also have artwork of Luigi. See here for SMB2 and here for SMW. Time Questions 06:22, 28 February 2008 (EST)
Is there any website that shows the artwork? It should be uploaded. CrystalYoshi 18:36, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Your best bet is Gamehiker. I forget the URL, so please search for "Gamehiker". The site has a gallery sorted by video games. Stumpers! 20:08, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Well, can I just download the picture and click "upload file"? Is it that easy? If I just do that, will I get arrested for not scaling down the image or something? I'm a little confused about that. 20:32, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Never mind, they didn't have the one I wanted. (I wanted the one that was part of this picture. Maybe it's from Super Mario Advance, but they didn't have artwork from that game.) CrystalYoshi
That's the biggest version of the picture I know of. You can chop out Luigi using Paint if you want to. In regards to being arrested: just read the appropriate template for your image (ie, screenshot, artwork, etc.) and see that you hold true to the criteria. Stumpers! 10:27, 1 March 2008 (EST)
Actually, I was thinking about that earlier. Maybe, but there might not be too much to say about Mr. L, in which case it's a good idea to keep him part of this article to avoid having a stub. CrystalYoshi
It would be nice for someone looking for stats or tips not to have to discover his true identity by finding it only on the Luigi page. Plus, we have Bowletta, Fire Mario, etc. Stumpers! 17:38, 6 March 2008 (EST)
You're right. The aticle would mention in the first few sentences that it was really Luigi, but it's pretty obvious. (Actually, when I saw Mr. L, I wasn't sure if it was Luigi after being hypnotized, or some sort of clone or evil twin of Luigi.) But that doesn't really matter, there's a ton of spoilers on the wiki and not much to do about it. But a Mr. L article sounds like a good idea to me. Anyone want to make it? Pseudo-dino first mentioned it, does he want to make it? CrystalYoshi
A Mr. L article would definatly work. His millions of appearances throughout the game, information about his HP and battle technices (Shroom Shake!), a quote of his, how Luigi turned into Mr. L after he tried to escape, how he joined Bleck, how he got turned back into Luigi after bieng "killed", how they later found out who he really was and his mention in Brawl. Sounds article worthy. Paper Jorge ( Talk·Contributions)·
Out of Order Pictures
I think the official images on this article should be in date order. Does anyone agree/disagree? EnPeached 21:18, 29 April 2008 (EDT)
Yup.[Yoshitheawesome]
Melee
how do you unlock luigi in meleeP&F911 18:56, 24 May 2008 (EDT)P&F911
I won't even bother saying to go to the forums. You need to play 800 vs. matches or finish the first stage in Adventure mode when a digit of the time is 7. I'm sure someone can explain the second part of that better.Knife (talk) 13:10, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
Pizza!
From Wikipedia:
"In accordance with Nintendo's marketing policy of naming and promoting individual characters,[2] the new character was given the name Luigi, which was inspired by a pizza parlor near Nintendo of America's headquarters in Redmond, Washington, called "Mario & Luigi's".[4]".
I don't see this anywhere in the history or current version. Should be added, yeah? -- Chris 20:09, 3 August 2008 (EDT)
I'll go on the record saying this is a perfect example of how canon has replaced history on this Wiki. Stumpers! 15:24, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
Luigi Mario?
OK, I found some new evidence on the Bros.' last name. It's in some issue of Nintendo Power, a Super Mario Sunshine article. Mario addresses a postcard to a certain "Luigi Mario." Whaddaya think? I can scan the article or whatever. BLOCPARTIER.
Sounds good - if you give us the issue number, page number, article title, and author we can do a proper citation and you won't have to scan - but scans are appreciated, too! Stumpers! 15:18, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
Yeah, I'd rather scan it, considering it's part of a poster that I already took out of the magazine. If I was lucky, it'd only take a couple minutes to find, but if not... It could take well over an hour. :O BLOCPARTIER.
Oh, I know that feeling. Good luck and may both of us one day find enough space for all of our stuff so that it is organized. :P Stumpers! 01:25, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
I always thought Luigi Mario was his real name, and that's why they're called theMario bros..
Interactions with other characters
I think that instead of King boo being under interactions with other characters, ghosts should be stated. Because since Luigi's Manison, Luigi has had a connection with not just King Boo, but with ghosts in general. An example would be that Luigi was trapped in the Ghostly Galaxy in Super Mario Galaxy. I would have went ahead and changed it, but I thought that some people might prefer that a specific individual be listed instead of a species. I just wanted to get some opinions on this. WK
But, that would be like saying "Mario has an interaction with Koopas" in general. Just because Luigi fights them, doesn't mean they have a connection. Marcelagus(T • C • E)
In Mario Superstar Baseball, Luigi shares bad chemistry with not just King Boo, but also with Boo. Where as Mario doesn't share bad chemistry with Koopas or Goombas. WK
The chemistry does not determine all relationships. (Goomba with a good chemsitry with Diddy Kong??) Anyway, I just noticed... Daisy has a bad chemistry with Waluigi. Does this support the Daisy-Luigi relationship, perhaps? o_0 Marcelagus(T • C • E)
King Boo is basically the guy that hates Weege the most, kind of like goomboss/bowser and Mario. King Boo captured Weege in Mario 64 DS, and Goomboss captured mario. I think maybe an interaction with ghosts in general and a subheading with King Boo.--Koopapoopa 00:50, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
the thing in mario superstar baseball is because luigi is scared of ghosts and mario isn't scared of koopas or goombas (or anything =P). and koopapoopa, it's spelled "weegee". — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Luigi time! (talk).
The one with Wario and Rosalina are both a bit pointless (mainly the Wario one) since he's more of a rival with Waluigi, and he really and truly only doesn't really interact with Rosalina apart from when you can play as him and his ending photo. AzelfandQuilava 17:39, 12 October 2012 (EDT)
?
why is he in the police catagory? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lu-igi board (talk).
"When Luigi finally went on a quest of his own in Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, he's presented as be more arrogant and somewhat of a liar, as he changes the stories of his adventure to make himself look better;"
Isn't that a little too harsh? Sure he changed some things in his story but I think he only did this to make his brother proud of him.
And as for his novel: It can not undoubtedly be confirmed that Luigi made that exaggerated edits. It might have been the author as well in an attempt to make his story sound more read-worthy.
How are you confused? Even in the case of twins, they're not born the same moment, if that's what you're wondering. One is still older than the other. --Garlic Man (talk)
Should we mention in his physicl description that in some games Luigi has paler skin than Mario? if yall never noticed look at the Mario & Luigi sprites real close like. [[User:Clarkmaster|Clarkmaster[[UserTalk:Clarkmaster|Southern Voice!]]]] 17:11, 31 January 2010 (EST)
That's kinda minor information, since I only noticed a tiny difference if I looked really closely and made sure that they use different colors. And it's only in a few games as well. Ray Trace(T|C)
Yes, but Roy Campbell said: "Look at that pale skin!"...--Green Thunder 11:36, 19 March 2011 (EDT)
I agree with BabyLuigiOnFire, I only noticed when I heard the codec, and it was very hard to see. L-ater!
Meaning
I was doing a little research, and I found out that the meaning of "Luigi" is "famous fighter", something that Luigi is definately not. Should that go in trivia, starting with "ironically" or "coincedentially?" (<-- probably not spelt right, but who cares.) Lemmy Koopa Fan 22:45, 8 March 2010 (EST)
Where did you get that information from? Ray Trace(T|C)
Ah, one of those "meaning of names" sites. I'm pretty sure it was true, because that's what it said on other sites too. (Wow, I have such weird hobbies...) Lemmy Koopa Fan 17:12, 9 March 2010 (EST)
...The meaning of "Luigi" is "Glorious in battle" (according to the Junior Woodchucks' manual... =P)...--Green Thunder 11:36, 19 March 2011 (EDT)
Luigi in Brawl
I've seen pictures and videos of Luigi in Brawl as Mr.L,a few websites say stuff about this (eye problems and not being able to get the bandana on him.)MegaClaws 11:30, 9 March 2010 (EST)
The pictures were edited and the videos were the result of a hack. I know because there is no way possible to play as Mr. L in Super Smash Bros. Brawl. Lemmy Koopa Fan 17:15, 9 March 2010 (EST)
Weegee
I think we should have more information about the name "weegee", and maybe even an image of what "weegee" looks like. --Koopapoopa 00:53, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
-_-' Please nothing about YouTube poops or other crap from other meme places...--FREAK~GameFreak~OUT!
I just mean basic information about him, such as the fact that it's from the DOS version and that his sprite is infamous for its staring, stuff like that. --Koopapoopa 01:02, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
Yes, and let's put it in the trivia section. --Click to enter my domain! 21:52, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
information actually about Luigi
In the sections for various games, it just says things like, "mario and luigi travelled through 8 worlds, blah blah blah..." and doesn't give that much information about Luigi himself, like how he throws the shell on the title screen of Mario 3,etc. --Koopapoopa 01:02, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
That's one of the reasons why the article has a rewrite template. Feel free to help improve the article by adding more facts actually related to Luigi and removing unrelated information; if the article talks about things unrelated to the subject, that's only because nobody has taken the time to rewrite those sections yet. Keep in mind when adding things though that the style used for most of the article is not conform to the current quality standards; information should be written in the present tense, speculation, fanon and dramatic writing styles should be absent.--vellidragon 15:15, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
Different in SMB3?
The article currently says that Luigi controls differently in Super Mario Bros. 3 (as he does in some other games). I have never heard such a thing (aside from Super Mario Advance 4, of course) but am in no position to test, currently. Does anyone have any evidence that this is the case? --HeroicJay 06:44, 25 May 2010 (EDT)
I'm pretty sure that Luigi plays exactly the same as Mario in SMB3. --Grandy02 06:56, 25 May 2010 (EDT)
So am I, but like I said, unable to test, myself, currently. --HeroicJay 13:25, 25 May 2010 (EDT)
No, really, does anyone have any evidence of this? I'm really thinking that it was added by someone who owns SMA4 and got confused. --HeroicJay 02:20, 31 May 2010 (EDT)
I have SMA4. Only reason I edited that Luigi controls differently is because another editor said so and I'm sorta more Sonic-ish than Mario-ish... but I've seen some videos on Youtube and in the original SMB3, Luigi didn't seem to slip or slide any more than Mario did, and I'm pretty sure jump height is the same. I'll try to get it for the Virtual Console and see if I spot any differences. Sorry if I began (or continued...) any confusion. --SuperSonicRider 22:37, 31 May 2010 (EDT)
2 Sections
How come there are 2 sections named "Super Mario World"? I think one of them has to be renamed. HappyHalloween!
There are two sections because there are two things named 'Super Mario World". The sub-sections of History that they are listed under make it pretty clear which one's which: the one in the "Super Mario series" section is about the game Super Mario World and the other one, in the "DIC cartoons" section, is about the cartoon Super Mario World. It doesn't disrupt wiki navigation either (if you want to link straight to the second one, type Luigi#Super_Mario_World_2, while Luigi#Super_Mario_World goes to the first; the TOC works fine as well). It's not a problem and no renaming is necessary. - Walkazo 23:12, 15 January 2011 (EST)
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merge 6-1
This proposal is to merge Cassanova Koopa with Luigi. I tried this a couple weeks ago, but it was confusing. But I got the hang of it. Anyway, I think we should merge these two pages because if Kootie Pie's human form should be put in Wendy O's page than so should Cassanova Koopa with Luigi.
Proposer:Tails777 (talk) Deadline: February 16, 2011, 23:59 GMT
Support
Zero777 (talk) I am Zero! Yeah, why was that removed, anyways, per proposal. Zero signing out.
Marioguy1 (talk) - Casanova Koopa is not notable enough to get its own article when there is an alternative way to do this.
Supremo78 (talk) If Casanova Koopa is a form of Luigi that was used, it should be included in his article, just like Mr. L is included in Luigi's article.
Bowser's luma (talk) Leo Luster was just whichever Kong who's name escapes me in a costume. If I'm not mistaken, Casanova Koopa is Luigi in a magical transformation.
I might have mispelled the word. I have bad spelling. Sorry. And if Casanova Koopa and Luigi are different, why isn't there a page for Kootie Pie's human form?Tails777 (talk)
I am Zero! @AnimalCrossingCool Please specify that a little more or else the vote is invalid. Zero signing out. Zero777 (talk)
Robo Koopa. It's a featured article, and an alter-ego. If we have that article, why can't we have this one? And for an example with Luigi, Mr. L. Hello, I'm Time Turner.
It's probably going by the logic that merged Leo Luster with Bluster Kong. I personally would love to see all those personae merged into King Koopa's alter egos (but maybe give the chart a "summary" section to briefly describe each alter-ego and its role in the corresponding episode). Most of them don't have articles yet anyway, and I feel that lengthy summaries like on Robo Koopa are a bit unnecessary: people can just read the episode summaries. Video game alter-egos have a bit more to stand on, seeing as their summaries aren't just rehashing a single game's summary, in most cases, but I'd be fine with merging things like Dark Fawful, Bowletta, Shrowser and possibly even Mr. L, although given the fact that "Mr. L" played such an important role in SPM, I'd also be fine with that article staying. Same deal with Dr. Mario: he's not a one-hit wonder, and not giving him his own page would look like an omission on our part. - Walkazo 10:40, 4 February 2011 (EST)
In my opinion, Robo Koopa should be merged as it is not notable enough to warrant its own article. But Bowletta, Dark Fawful (don't know who Shrowser is) and Mr. L are all main villains of a game. Robo Koopa appeared as the villain during one episode of a TV show. Bowletta, Dark Fawful, etc. are the main villains of their own games. They should remain split (IMO). Marioguy1 (talk)
Slitghly off topic, but King Koopa has quite a few pages on his alter-egos. We even listed them: King Koopa's alter egos. Since this will pass, should we delete/merge these alter-egos? Hello, I'm Time Turner.
I am Zero! @Bowser'sLuma What difference does that make? They're both just changing their look. Your vote in invalid. Zero signing out. Zero777 (talk)
Parent category
Luigi is listed under the Parents category. Did I miss or just forget about something? --Dus T. 16:14, 29 November 2011 (EST)
I believe the category is for maternal or paternal relationships, not just biological parenthood, so that's probably it. Bop1996(Talk)
In the super mario world tv show he was Yoshis adopted Mama/father Raven Effect (talk)
Luigi isn't really a parent because he isn't married and Yoshi calls him "mama Lugi" because Luigi found himWorld 6 (talk) 05:04, 29 August 2012 (EDT)
Quote
I think we should change the current quote with a different one. My personal suggestion is "I'm my bro's bro!". If anyone either supports or opposes this, or has a different suggestion, please comment below.{{User:M&LM&L Baby_mario.gif 22:27, 16 January 2012 (EST)}}
Perhaps [17] this one? And it doesn't matter that he is holding coins because we used Wario's MP8 artwork for awhile which had him holding coins.
Plus, it would go with Mario's well. YoshiCookie (talk) 10:15, 10 December 2015 (EST)
Split a SMG Luigi into a new article
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split neither 0-5-14
This kinda came up incidentally in a discussion on Boom Boom's talk page, and I think it's a valid point. There are two Luigis in Super Mario Galaxy, and they look different. Therefore, one of them should be split to a different page, Luigi (Super Mario Galaxy), kinda like the Pink Donkey Kong Jr. article, though the differences are far more drastic there. I think the important question is which one, however.
Proposer: 1337star (talk) Deadline: January 15, 2013, 23:59 GMT.
Split the playable Luigi
Split the NPC Luigi
Walkazo (talk) - They look different (not as different than Pink DKJr., but it's better than nothing), talk to each other, and Rosalina calls the extra one Luigi's "twin". Yeah, the game doesn't really get into it much beyond that, but like we always say, there's nothing wrong with a short article if there's not much info to go on. Speculating about the how and why of the Luigi twin would be wrong, but we don't have to do that to get an article out of the subject. Plus, as we've seen with the recent pushes for level articles and whatnot, it's good to have lots of articles - as long as they're about worthwhile subjects, and this little quirk seems worthy to me (and maybe other people think it's interesting too, and try to look up info about it on Google). Regarding some of the opposition (not including the votes that don't know what the TPP is even about), like I said on the Boom Boom talk page, comparing SSB game mechanics to the Super Mario series is apples and oranges: it doesn't matter what your in-universe beliefs are, this matter simply isn't anything like the duplicate fighters of SSB. This also doesn't mean something must be done about the extra Mario in DKJr., because again, it's not the same situation: SMG treats the extra Luigi as an extra Luigi, but to my knowledge, DKJr. doesn't treat the other Mario as... anything, really, so even asserting that it is meant to be a second Mario would be speculation - unlike the extra Luigi, there isn't really anything that could be cobbled together into a factual article, AFAIK: no dialogue, no difference in appearance, no lampshade-hanging, no nothing. But this? This has stuff to go on, and we should, y'know, go on it.
Brock (talk) Oppose: there is no reason to split a single character by game. He is still the same character. If you must, you can create a paragraph referring to said character on his character page referring to any differences in personality/characterization/etc on his page. Anything specific to the games belongs in the games articles themselves, not on a separate character page. ~Brock.
Marshal Dan Troop (talk) No what's next splitting paper mario because he looks different, splitting the Mario in DKJR because there are two of them, splitting Luigi in Wrecking Crew because he's purple, creating a Mario (species) page again because there's multiple Mario's in smash bros. I guess what i'm saying is that I oppose because Nintendo gives no confirmation that they are different characters.
RandomYoshi (talk) — They are still the same character. Luigi is an NPC in many, many games. Does that mean that every time he is an NPC, the page should be split? No, it doesn't. Just as long as we have it confirmed that it's Luigi, which we in fact have in this case, it should stay on the same page.
1337star (talk) Whatever, I don't care anymore. I still feel that they are separate characters, and the game itself says this, but this proposal obviously won't go anywhere. Per all, I guess.
Zero777 (talk) Oppose, and not for any of the above reasons, which I believe are wrong, except for one. I believe splitting it up will make the SMG Luigi article very unprofessional, with little info on it besides cosmetic differences; it's not article-worthy is basically what I am saying. This kind of information belongs in a small explanation on Luigi's article and/or the SMG article.
NewSMBU (talk) Are you sure the two Luigis are so different because they talk to each other and Rosalina calls the clone Luigi's twin, so they must be split?
To the (surprisingly numerous in quite a short span of time!) people opposing: how do you account for the fact that dialogue supports that the two Luigis are different people? Or that the two Luigis look different? -- 1337star(Mailbox SP) 14:38, 1 January 2013 (EST)
Well, 1337star, how do you define that they look different? Doesn't the Luigi from Super Mario Bros. look different from the Luigi found in Paper Mario, for example? Should they then be split into different articles, as well? RandomYoshi(Talk • PMs • C) 14:48, 1 January 2013 (EST)
But those Luigis aren't in the same game at the same time. These are. And, to stem off the Super Smash Bros. argument, those aren't the actual characters, but toys (the first game) or trophies (Melee and Brawl), rather than real, flesh-and-blood people. -- 1337star(Mailbox SP) 14:56, 1 January 2013 (EST)
To my understanding, you think that splitting this article because something you, a fan, saw that is not confirmed by any official source ever from Nintendo, where this Wiki takes all of its information from and considers canotial information. There is no policy backing up your claims here. We cannot conclude that they are different characters until Nintendo has confirmed the opposite, so for now we'll let this article be. RandomYoshi(Talk • PMs • C) 15:01, 1 January 2013 (EST)
No 1337 you are wrong according to the wiki Smash Bros. is canon therefore those are in fact Luigi's that you are fighting. Marshal Dan Troop (talk)
I didn't say Super Smash Bros. isn't canon. I said that the Luigi (and other characters) in that game aren't the same as in the main Mario series, by the simple fact that he's a toy/trophy and not a real human being (and no, I don't think the Smash Bros. info should be split. Trophy!Luigi and real!Luigi don't appear in the same game.) I'm pretty sure there's something somewhere on the Dojo that says something to this effect, though I don't feel like looking due to this not being all that relevant here. -- 1337star(Mailbox SP) 15:32, 1 January 2013 (EST)
The thing is, the game doesn't offer any reason why there are two Luigis there at all, so there's not really anything we can say to claim anything other than there's a Luigi in exactly the same place and situations the Luigi in Mario's SMG storyline is, which is what we already do. It's almost impossible to claim anything else about the two Luigis without falling into speculation simply because of how lightly the game treats the subject, and that's really all there is to it. Bop1996(Talk)
I personally don't see how this situation is different than Donkey Kong Jr./Pink Donkey Kong Jr., but whatever. Consensus is obviously against this, so I'm unofficially withdrawing it (can't officially withdraw it because there's too many votes). -- 1337star(Mailbox SP) 15:32, 1 January 2013 (EST)
I think most of the people didn't understand the proposal. In Super Mario Galaxy, we can see two different Luigi at the same time. They even talk to each other. They look a bit different. The proposal is not "Well, in SMG Luigi is a bit different so we should split" but "Well, in SMG there are two Luigis different, so we should split". Banon (talk · edits) 15:52, 1 January 2013 (EST)
1337star, you could just delete this or ask an admin to, since you're even voting against your own proposal. Aokage (talk) 16:29, 1 January 2013 (EST)
"To the (surprisingly numerous in quite a short span of time!)"
Looking at the voters, what probably happened is that someone on the chat dropped a link here based on the title and the usual suspects voted en masse without actually bothering to read the description. Business as usual.
Anyway, I'll just echo what Bop1996 said, I don't feel a split is necessary as what you can essentialy say about the 2nd Luigi is "There's a 2nd Luigi in some missions in Super Mario Galaxy. He has slightly different textures and the game treat him as a separate character". Nothing that isn't already stated with enough depth in the SMG section of this article, imo. --Glowsquid (talk) 16:37, 1 January 2013 (EST)
An admin should remove most the oppose votes. They clearly didn't understand this proposal. Aokage (talk) 14:48, 4 January 2013 (EST)
Or how about we still disagree with Walkazo. Just because we have a different opinion on this doesn't mean we should go on the same side as you. Ray Trace(T|C)
People didn't read the proposal and thought this was about splitting the galaxy Luigi because he's NPC or something (see Brock and RandomYoshi; others just went "Per all"). No. This about splitting the other Luigi because there's TWO LUIGIS. They should atleast read the proposal and clarify their opinion. Aokage (talk) 14:10, 5 January 2013 (EST)
Even so, I still believe the article is fine the way it is Ray Trace(T|C) 16:52, 6 January 2013 (EST)
Luigi's Mansion
Hey I have a question. Is Luigi's Mansion considered a series? Pokebub (talk) 00:05, 8 April 2013 (EDT)
Should there be a separate page for Year of Luigi? The page could keep track of all the games released for Luigi and info about year of luigi. Pokebub (talk) 17:43, 17 April 2013 (EDT)
Year of the Luigi sounds as an informal name Nintendo conceived. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 00:07, 18 April 2013 (EDT)
New picture for info box
I personally think we should change it to the artwork for Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon. First of all it's Luigi's most recent new artwork and second it's from a game where Luigi is the main star. Tails777 Talk to me!
I think we should let it stay, since the art style for Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon depicts Luigi as a clay model or something, and I don't think other Luigi artwork will adopt that texture.
In the last paragraph of "Creation and Development", it states that the Year of Luigi is celebrating his thirteenth anniversary. It should actually say thirtieth.
With this typo, it seems as if Luigi was created in 2000 instead of 1983. That's a little funny, actually...
--108.74.227.102 20:30, 29 July 2013 (EDT) Connor the Pegasus
Luigi has the Parents category on his article... Explain to me exactly when Luigi was shown to have children? --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 21:49, 13 August 2013 (EDT)
"Thats Mama Luigi to you" Taken out of contex I'd expect.----- — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.19.157.227 (talk).
Trivia on the recent Q&A with Luigi
Should we add trivia about questioned answered during the recent Q&A with Luigi where Luigi answered questions in real time?
Some of those answers pretty interesting like the fact that hes kept of every coin he's collected over his adventures (782,942,872,943)
and others are about his relations with daisy and how he thinks Pikachu is a cute pokemon. Since the person answering for luigi was the voice actor I'm pretty sure we can't accept things as cannon but that doesn't mean we can't have it in the trivia section.--75.19.157.227 01:19, 22 October 2013 (EDT)
Link to this? Ray Trace(T|C) 02:16, 22 October 2013 (EDT)
Oh! This is really cool! Mind if I use this video to add some quotes to the Luigi quote page? I've never seen Luigi talk before, so yes, this will reveal quite some of his personality. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 00:07, 30 October 2013 (EDT)
First appearance
Shouldn't it be DKjr, not Mario Bros? Granted in DKjr he didn't have his trademark green clothes yet, instead dressing identically to Mario, but who else could it possibly have been helping Mario with the captured Donkey Kong? Then when they made Mario Bros and brought him back they had to make him look different since it was 2 player simultaneous and players had to know who was who, so they changed his coloring, but he definitely had to be the "2nd Mario" in DKjr even if all his trademark characteristics hadn't been ironed out yet (sort of how Mario was called Jumpman in the first DK, but it's still Mario's first appearance).76.226.130.212 20:41, 17 January 2014 (EST)
Unfortunately, we don't have enough evidence to prove that the Mario clone is the biological clone (aka twin brother Luigi). Nintendo has also asserted multiple times that Mario Bros. is Luigi's first appearance as well, from trophy descriptions to Year of the Luigi itself. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 20:49, 17 January 2014 (EST)
Perhaps, if the Mario from DK & DK Jr. is Mario(the plumber)'s father, the other Mario is his father(Mario(the plumber)'s grandfather). SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 1:53, December 9, 2022 (CST)
Adding E. Gadd to Luigi's friends
Should E. Gadd be somewhere in there? I mean in the 2 major games they appear in together, they seem to act as close friends. Tails777 Talk to me!
Well, I don't know, but E. Gadd seems to trust and look up to Luigi. I'd say that it's more of a trusted worker-boss relationship. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 00:27, 10 February 2014 (EST)
"I hope she made us lotsa spaghetti" is a better quote
It's actually from Hotel Mario, not any of the cartoons. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 13:54, December 9, 2022 (CST)
Hello
Hello guys, i don't understand why i can't edit. In the section "Nicknames" say "Luigi is unknown", apparently somebody edited their research original, Luigi is the icon sidekick in Mario franchise... can someone fixed that, because their wiki looks poor and edited by haters, and i think in the wiki's image, Mario and Luigi are the stars, and together are one of the most famous videogames characters. Thanks. Please fix that. Jola (talk) 22:22, 8 June 2014 (EDT)
Paper Mario
At the end of Paper Mario, when the brothers go to Peach's Castle again, Luigi goes first and say it's top secret. Is that notable? 122.189.240.166 03:58, 28 July 2014 (EDT)
He was hiding the fact that he was going to lead the parade. That's not really that notable. - 04:28, 28 July 2014 (EDT)
Luigi's Death Stare
I heard about Luigi staring at his victims in Mario Kart 8. If you want talk about this, feel free to edit. 180.254.179.58
First, nix the font changers. Second, we are NOT going to cover that in Mario Wiki. Ray Trace(T|C) 23:38, 22 August 2014 (EDT)
Oops! Sorry for the formatting. I just watch a video about this meme in Youtube. 180.254.179.58 23:45, 22 August 2014 (EDT)
Btw, why have we got coverage on "Weegee" but not the Death stare? - 02:37, 23 August 2014 (EDT)
Because "Weegee" is a classic. Still, not too fond of internet memes. Personally, I think the page should stick to Mario games. Sudowoodo(talk) 04:31, 23 August 2014 (EDT)
But it is the history of LUIGI! AND, the page also covers non-game appearances. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 13:56, December 9, 2022 (CST)
Problem
There is a white line through the first sentence, is that just my device? -Cool190 (Talk · Contribs)
I think Luigi deserves a better highlighted quote than the one posted already. What about one of his lines from Mario Kart 64? How about more recent ones such as "Oh yeah, Luigi like-a that!" from Mario Party 7, or even his first line in Super Maio 3D World where he ends it with "Go Green"? They sound much better than the quote from Fortune Street and Luigi has famous lines just as good as Mario's It's a me, Mario!Marino13 (talk) 04:26, 17 March 2016 (EDT)
We're not using this quote because it's "famous". We're using it because it gives some insight into Luigi's character and personality, which is probably what I should have said in the edit summary, but oh well.
Okay, guys, I am very much convinced that Luigi is overall a silent character just like Mario, and for the most part, he's only a little bit more talkative than Mario. The only games where he really speaks are the Mario Galaxy games and the first three Paper Mario games. Other than that, he just speaks like Mario: silent, gibberish, grunts and yells, or not at all. Because of this, he should have a "silent" quote just like Mario does. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 21:49, 14 December 2017 (EST)
What do you mean, you don't follow that logic? What logic do you follow then? Or better yet, what's wrong with my logic in the first place? I hope you answer me correctly, or else you run the risk of getting jumbled up with Dimentio again! :) Lcrossmk8 (talk) 00:09, 18 December 2017 (EST)
lolwut.....anyways, he's silent in games where everyone pantomimes everything, but he's by far the more vocal of the two. Also, you leave out the first Luigi's Mansion, and even then, most games in the series have the main protagonist(s) not say all that much. He also talks in many of the older instruction manuals, especially for Super Mario RPG. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:19, 18 December 2017 (EST)
What I don't follow is why we need to have a shallow quote just because Luigi doesn't talk as much as other characters. Barely anyone talks at all in the 2D platformers, but that doesn't affect anything. Toad's quote isn't "Oh no!" The whole point of the quote to give a bit of insight into the character's personality and a shallow, generic-sounding quote doesn't do that.
@Doc von Schmeltwick: Yeah, I know, but that's it. Other than that, he talks just like Mario. It's not that much of a gap at all. And besides, we're only counting games here, not instruction manuals. Yeah, I know, but if the character doesn't talk in the game, then he or she just doesn't talk in that game. And Black Lightning, if that is the case, then why do we have a silent quote for Mario? Is it because he doesn't have a personality at all? That's just bull right there. He does have a personality, it's just very simple and not expanded not very much. I feel like Luigi, although being more human and distinct, is just like Mario for the most part. After all, the Mario Bros are twins, after all. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 00:30, 18 December 2017 (EST)
Because Mario never gets deep dialog outside of supplemental material, which takes a backseat regarding what is the "main" interpretation by creators. Also, twins can (obviosuly) have extremely different personalities, or even amounts thereof. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:35, 18 December 2017 (EST)
I am a twin, an identical twin nonetheless raised in the same house, can speak for myself that my personality is very distinct from my twin, despite also sharing some similarities. Ray Trace(T|C) 00:59, 18 December 2017 (EST)
Here's my two cents: You can't say Luigi is 100% silent (we're talking Link silent) if he talks in Paper Mario. One can say whenever you play as Luigi, he qualifies as a silent protagonist, but when you hear about his adventures in The Thousand-Year Door or hear him mumbling about furniture in the original Luigi's Mansion, or all those lines in Fortune Street, I guess, you cannot say Luigi is just one of Nintendo's silent protagonists. - AwdryFan1997(Talk)
Mario + Rabbids not on here
Where is the section for Mario + Rabbids? Wariopig (talk) 15:17, 13 January 2018 (EST)Wariopig
Mario and Luigi
On Mario’s page it mentions that his species is Homo Nintendonus. By this logic Luigi’s page should be altered to reflect their shared species as they are brother who presumably share parents.
Additionally we should change all humans in the Mario and Luigi series to H. Nitendonus (or however it is spelled in the booklet that the Mario page is referencing) as this would better reflect the canon of the Mario Brothers. Fallennorth (talk) 04:33, November 22, 2019 (EST)
Besides, such a reference to Mario's 'species' comes from an old character bible used by Nintendo of America specifically; it was written and used for an internal reference in 1993, and nothing has been mentioned of it since then, and I'd imagine there's at least more stuff referring to Mario as human in comparison. It makes little sense to speculate as a result, especially with such a rarely used and outdated source. --LordG.matters. 04:40, November 22, 2019 (EST)
Indeed, that source wasn’t from Nintendo in Japan, and Nintendo of America itself didn’t use its content at all to create bios and the like, ignoring it if it creates inconsistencies would be fine actually.—Mister Wu (talk) 06:20, November 22, 2019 (EST)
Only Appearance
The part that says that Hotel Mario was Luigi's only appearance on the CD-I should be changed because Hotel Mario was the only Mario game to be released for the system. Mario Takes America & Super Mario's Wacky Worlds were both cancelled. I'manumber1 (talk) 17:40, February 6, 2022 (EST)
Could someone please add this to the Trivia section about Luigi’s name being the Italian form of Ludwig? Since well there is a Koopaling with the name Ludwig
It’s true I found this out not to long ago here’s the source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luigi_(name)) I just want someone to add this line (Coincidentally Luigi’s name is the Italian form of the name Ludwig meaning technically speaking Luigi and Ludwig share the same name) I have already added this to Ludwig Von Koopa’s article and I would do the same here but of course I cannot do that myself. 35.137.237.68 (talk)
It's just a coincidence as you said, and not notable enough to include on the article. --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 13:26, September 30, 2022 (EDT)
"While Luigi is not included as one the usable sprites" should be "While Luigi is not included as one of the usable sprites". 93.115.28.181 18:41, November 12, 2022 (EST)
I would be nice to give Luigi a "List of appearences by date" section like his brother. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wonderman23 (talk).
Then go ahead. MarioJC 12:22, March 26, 2024 (EDT)
HUGE image...
So I tried putting Luigi's artwork from Super Mario Party Jamboree in place of his Mario Party Superstars artwork, and the image is so big that the article can't even show a quarter of it in one screen. Is there any way I can fix this?
Edit: I fixed it by adding "|250px" at the end of the file name.
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Do not split Luigi's Twin from Luigi 2-3-17
This split was brought up more than a decade ago in this proposal but the proposer failed to clarify what he meant and it was misinterpreted by those who opposed it. When playing as Luigi in Super Mario Galaxy, the NPC Luigi that you'd normally rescue when playing as Mario still shows up and has completely different dialogue when speaking to the playable Luigi. Rosalina refers to the NPC Luigi as the playable Luigi's "twin". This would mean the inverse would be true as well; The playable Luigi is the NPC Luigi's twin. For those who opposed in the past proposal on this topic, this proposal would not be splitting every appearance of Luigi into different articles, it would only be splitting the Luigi who quite literally appears in the same room as the playable Luigi. The playable and NPC Luigi have different heights and one is silent and is more brave and courageous whereas the other is more cautious and has a lot to say. Regarding which Luigi to split into the Luigi's Twin article, we could split either into the article since there is not confirmation on which is the real Luigi and which is the impostor. However, I would consider the playable Luigi to be the "twin" since the NPC Luigi's actions are much more accurate to Luigi's character and we see Luigi show up in Super Mario Galaxy 2 as an NPC before said NPC is later unlocked as a playable character.
Proposer: Pizza Master (talk) Deadline: October 13, 2024, 23:59 GMT
Support (Split playable Luigi from "Super Luigi Galaxy" campaign as Luigi's Twin)
Camwoodstock (talk) This makes more sense to us, personally. The idea seems to be that the NPC Luigi is the "Twin", while the Luigi you play as is just Luigi. The memetic pop-up does say "You can now play as Luigi", after all, not "You can now play as Luigi's Twin" or anything like that. If we have to give this weird phenomenon an article (and to be honest here, we think it has some merit covering this weirdness in its own article), this feels like the simpler--and probably more logical--split to make.
Nintendo101 (talk) This proposal misapplies a narrative framing device in Super Mario Galaxy made by the developers to justify the inclusion of a playable Luigi - a decision made when the game was nearly completed, with the original intent being that the NPC Luigi would be the only Luigi - to suggest one of these Luigis is a discrete character from the other. This is not the case. It is not supported in the game's script or its paratext (guidebook, booklet, interview, encyclopedia, official websites, etc.), and does not consider the fact that there have been multiple iterations of the same character on screen throughout the franchise's history — from Donkey Kong Jr. to the ScareScraper mode in Luigi's Mansion 3. Both playable and non-playable iterations of Luigi in Super Mario Galaxy are the same character, and neither should receive a dedicated article from the other.
Hewer (talk) From what I can gather, the game treats them both as Luigi and is very vague about the matter, to the point that any split would feel speculative (the whole last sentence of this proposal is pure speculation, which isn't a good sign). It's possible to have more than one of the same character; the logic of "there's two of them so they must be separate characters" (also used for the former "Boom Boom species" split) shouldn't be applied to a franchise like this one that often doesn't bother trying to make narrative sense, hence the "don't read between the lines" rule. Also note that both of the other cases brought up in the original proposal, Boom Boom and Pink Donkey Kong Jr., have since been merged (the latter being especially notable given the "Junior (II)" distinction in the manual, comparable to the "twin" thing).
Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) - Would we even know which one is the "main" Luigi? It's speculative from that especially. (Granted, this makes me want to re-examine the Paper Jam situation...)
Shy Guy on Wheels (talk) Per all. I really don't see this as any different from multiple people being able to play as Luigi in Mario Kart or Smash. The Pink Donkey Kong Jr. comparison is very apt as well.
Jdtendo (talk) They are two incarnations of Luigi, and we cannot know for sure which one is the twin. By the way, there is already a page about Luigi's twin.
Mario (talk) Luigi's twin is me, Mario!!! Per all!!!
YoYo (talk) See it like this, if I was playing Mario Kart as Bowser, and I encounter another Bowser, does that suddenly mean we should create a page for both Bowsers? It's the same character it's just two instances of them, arguably "Super Luigi Galaxy" isn't "canon".
Camwoodstock's argument makes sense as a (mostly) non-speculative way to split the two Luigis. Also, the NPC Luigi is actually referred to by something other than simply Luigi ("your twin" by Rosalina) that would imply that the two characters are different people unlike with "Pink Donkey Kong Jr./Jr (II)" where the Pink one is just implied to be the P2 version of DKJR. Also, the playable Luigi races against Cosmic Luigi and functions almost identically to Mario whereas the NPC Luigi does their own thing and finds hidden stars that the player can't find. NPC Luigi (or Luigi's twin) in this argument functions more as a mechanic of the game than the actual Luigi and therefore should be documented as a minor mechanic (that is also a character) of Super Mario Galaxy akin to the Co-Star Luma or Allies of the Mario Party series.--Pizza Master 16:53, September 29, 2024 (EDT)
Any speculation should ideally be avoided, big or small. And Luigi's roles (and degree of similarity to Mario) vary often between games. Luigi being an NPC side character is hardly unheard of (Super Mario Odyssey, Mario RPG, most Paper Mario games, etc.). Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 17:02, September 29, 2024 (EDT)
At least in our vote's case, we would appreciate a split for the Luigi NPC that happens to also be there if you, yourself, are playing as Luigi; since Rosalina claims it's his twin, and that seems to be about as official explanation as we're about to get. We do admit that this is a comically niche article, but we still think it has more merit than Junior (II), who was quite literally just a palette swap that received zero acknowledgement as being unique outside the manual. In contrast, the "duplicate" NPC Luigi being described as the playable Luigi's twin is given a direct comment. ~Camwoodstock(talk) 03:25, September 30, 2024 (EDT)
@Camwoodstock I personally do not think there should be any split because I think it misrepresents Super Mario Galaxy and Luigi's roles in the game. However, if anything, the NPC is the one designed to be the only Luigi in the game and has his traditional proportions. The playable one was a late addition to the title, and has the same model as Mario to make it easier to include. All they did was replace his head with the NPC Luigi's. - Nintendo101 (talk) 18:44, September 30, 2024 (EDT)
That would be like treating it as a re-release or DLC which it isn't, it's just playing through the exact same game again with a different character and dialogue and level name changes to accomodate it (mostly just changing "Mario" to "Luigi"). The Cosmic Clones' behavior in the races is the only real difference. Nightwicked Bowser 07:54, September 30, 2024 (EDT)
Should we split the playable Dr. Mario from Super Smash Bros as a separate character from his regular page then? After all, he's clearly a separate character from Mario. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 12:48, September 30, 2024 (EDT)
@Pizza Master modes typically do no receive dedicated articles, and I also do not think this one would really benefit from having one. Very little changes when the player takes control of Luigi. It is not a fundamentally different campaign, unlike things like Bowser's Fury or New Super Luigi U. - Nintendo101 (talk) 18:44, September 30, 2024 (EDT)
I see. --Pizza Master 19:10, September 30, 2024 (EDT)
"The secondary protagonist of the Super Mario franchise"
I agree wholeheartedly that Luigi is the second biggest figure in the franchise, but, not to be a nerd here, I think the better term would be "deuteragonist", as the deuteragonist is the second most important character in a story, and that's basically what Luigi is. That would make "deuteragonist" and "secondary protagonist" the same thing. 98.114.59.56 17:41, December 13, 2024 (EST)
I believe the terminology has been used before for this article but editors favored "secondary protagonist" due to being less jargony; "deuteragonist" is not a very common term. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 17:49, December 13, 2024 (EST)
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Resplit 11-0 Leo Luster is just a more charismatic version of Bluster Kong that looks nearly identical yet they have their own article. Casanova Koopa or Kassanova Koopa (idk which is correct) looks different from Luigi and like Leo is just a more charismatic Luigi. Also, if this proposal passes then we should also split Lady Fettuccini Alfredo, Wendy's human form from the same episode.
Proposer: Pizza Master (talk) Deadline: January 29, 2025, 23:59 GMT
Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) - As long as Fettucine gets split too, that seems fine with me. After all, Koopa Zombie is a related thing, and there's also things like Rookie - and that one and Leo don't involve changes in species.
Tails777 (talk) At first glance, I'd probably oppose. But since A. Leo Luster has been resplit and B. Kootie Pie's alter ego would also be split, I don't see why not. Per proposal.
You see, the images that are on main page aren't supposed to be fully protected. Anyway, I've replaced this image to this one, so I though that you'll delete the old one and semi-protect the new one. SWFlash
My apologies, it was a mistake, I usually protect them to block out non-autoconfirmed users, but for some reason beyond me, I effed up and protected it to be admin only. @_@ XzelionETC
Friends
I never asked. Do you want to be friends? =P Supremo 10:34, 16 July 2011 (EDT)
I'm interested in this and don't really want to see it go to waste. If you don't mind, would you give me some more information on it before I look into signing up? - Turboo(Talk)
Well, my original plan was for the Wiki to be able to play this game together, as odd as that sounds. If you have ever been around the Wiki (I'm sure you have), then you know how it is with users making edits everywhere. I wanted it to act as an improvement drive for said game, sadly however, it hasn't drawn much attention and I, due to my hectic life haven't been able to give it the time and leadership it needs. I'd appreciate your sign-up, but I've asked SMB to put it on hold till I'm able to help out like I should be. XzelionETC
Alright, thanks. If I have enough free time to work on the articles, I'll sign up whenever it resumes. - Turboo(Talk)
Userpedia
I'm interested in joining. I can't create one, so can you please make an account for me? (With same username for that account and the forum's) Thanks. MarioJC
Thanks, I appreciate it. :) By the way, when I said the "forum's" above, I meant I have the same name in the MarioWiki forum, not for a Userpedia forum account. Sorry. Wait, there's a Userpedia forum? MarioJC
please
hey Xzelion can you make an account for me in userpedia? R3D347H wuz here
Sure, just let me know what username you want, and I need to know if you have a forum account so I can pm you the password. XzelionETC
I want my username to be "DKPetey99" and I have a forum account on this wiki. My name is "DKPetey99". DKPetey99TCE 08:17, 21 July 2011 (EDT)
Username:GEX and I don't have a forum account:(.maybe later.yes...
R3D347H wuz here
Can you PM it to me now? DKPetey99TCE 17:38, 21 July 2011 (EDT)
Userpedia
I made my page and thanks a lot for creating an account. I also want to sign up for the userpedia mario kart game. Can you make me artwork for that by using this and this, but without the King Boo? Please?!!!??? DKPetey99TCE 19:40, 21 July 2011 (EDT)
I made an oops.
I accidentally created pages Template:DemeGeek/Sig/Sig and DemeGeek/Sig/Sig while trying to edit User:DemeGeek/Sig/Sig... Can you please delete them?
Hello! I wanted to create an account on Userpedia, but it seems I needed to consult an administrator, and I was told that you might be able to help me. So please if it's possible, can you help me get an account on Userpedia? If so then thank you very much!
Lemmy Koopa617 (talk)
I almost forgot, if you needed my Forum name it's "Ryex617" sorry about that....
Lemmy Koopa617 (talk)
I was hoping to use my forum name "Ryex617". Thanks!
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Userpedia again
Can you make me an acount on Userpedia? Yoshidude99
Hey um Kaptain K. Rool wants to have a Userpedia account. Can u please do that? He wants his username to be Kaptain K. Rool and he has a Forums account.[18]YoshiGo99
question?
My proposal on splitting the Giant Banana article hits its 4 week deadline today and it's not looking like either side will reach a 3 vote margin so when i archive it should i just archive it as failed or should a mention that it reached its deadline and that's why it failed Goomba's Shoe15 (talk)
RE: Dude
Not a whole lot man, to be honest I didn't know you still edited yourself. :P YELLOWYOSHI398
mind if i could have a userpedia account as i cant create one and i know you can make one as your a admin of userpedia heres a username
Bowser Jrs Number 1 Fan thanks for your time bowser jrsnumber 1 fan
Hi
Can you make me an account for UserPedia? Please? 'Cause, YoshiDude99 was gonna ask you...
Please PM Super Mario Bros. and Gabumon your 'Shroom section on the forums (our forums, which one did you think?) by no later than August 13th. Please remember to save a copy in your outbox. If you can't, be sure to tell us soon and we'll be sure to punish you cruelly work something out.
Another person you probably don't know asking for a Userpedia account
I have a forum account already, name there is Dr. Javelin with a period instead of my wiki account which has none. I'd like the same name as this account. Dr Javelin (talk)
Please PM Super Mario Bros. and Gabumon your 'Shroom section on the forums (our forums, which one did you think?) by no later than September 10th. Please remember to save a copy in your outbox. If you can't, be sure to tell us soon and we'll be sure to punish you cruelly work something out.
I was just a 'Shroomy lad, never knew no good from bad...!
Hi, Sandbox!
Please PM Super Mario Bros. and Gabumon your 'Shroom section on the forums (our forums, which one did you think?) by no later than October 8th. Please remember to save a copy in your outbox. If you can't, be sure to tell us soon and we'll be sure to punish you cruelly work something out.
This is RIDICULOUS. I have been getting Warnings of every kind left and right today. All I did was give Raven Effect a proper Waning for being immature and rude. Niiue - Who has lost his tail?
Whoa. Deja Vu.
I just KNEW you would say what you just said about sarcasm! But seriously, why are you not banned? You are rude and a troll with a rank. You call users morons, you flame, you ruin the wiki. From what I've seen, you were better as GG. Niiue - Who has lost his tail?
What is wrong with this picture? I What planet are you from, to think that sarcasm's ok? Niiue - Who has lost his tail?
Userpedia
Can you create an account for me there? My forum name is "Mario and Luigi". Mario & Luigi
It's that time of the month...
Hi, Sandbox!
Please PM Super Mario Bros. and Gabumon your 'Shroom section on the forums (our forums, which one did you think?) by no later than November 12th. Please remember to save a copy in your outbox. If you can't, be sure to tell us soon and we'll be sure to punish you cruelly work something out.
Hi, Sandbox! Please PM Edofenrir your 'Shroom section on the forums (our forums, which one did you think?) by no later than December 10th. Please remember to save a copy in your outbox. If you can't, tell me, and I'll be sure to work something out.
In addition, this issue of The 'Shroom is a Special HOLIDAY Issue! In addition to your regular sections, you are invited to write one or more special guest sections on any topic, and should submit your special section on December 14th. Review a game you like, give us a Christmas story, play a game, maybe draw some Christmas artwork, there's so much choice! You are not required to write a special guest section for the Special Holiday Issue, but it is encouraged. There will be awards given out in the issue for the best writers for The 'Shroom, so be sure to impress us this month! Season's greetings to everyone, and an excellent New Year!
This is an important notice: the New Year Special Issue and the December issue have been merged together into the Holiday Special Issue. Please reread the special Holiday 'Shroom template above for updated information. · SMB(Talk) · 18:44, 4 December 2011 (EST)
userpedia
can you make me an account on userpedia?
in hopes of an account, --robokoopa(Talk) 15:19, 31 December 2011 (EST)
Happy 'Shroom Year!
Hi, Sandbox!
Please PM Super Mario Bros. and Gabumon your 'Shroom section on the forums (our forums, which one did you think?) by no later than January 14th. Please remember to save a copy in your outbox. If you can't, be sure to tell us soon and we'll be sure to punish you cruelly work something out.
Please PM Super Mario Bros. and Gabumon your 'Shroom section on the forums (our forums, which one did you think?) by no later than February 11th. Please remember to save a copy in your outbox. If you can't, be sure to tell us soon and we'll be sure to punish you cruelly work something out.
Sorry about that. Binarystep (talk) 19:51, 30 December 2012 (EST) (formerly Paperphailurethemariomonster99!)
Big Bubble
Where do they appear in Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix? I watched a video of that Ghost House and didn't see one. Screenshot, please? YoshiCookie (talk) 10:15, 10 December 2015 (EST)
I'm surprised that you've got 37 archives, even more than Porplemontage, who has only 13 archives! Seriously, do you hold the "Number of Pages Archived MarioWiki Record"?! Mari0fan100 (talk) 18:33, 10 January 2019 (EST)
Curious Question
Out of Curiosity, What did the redirect, Super Mario Bros. 5, redirect to. You deleted it. So I'm curious to know. --Partier (talk) 00:49, July 23, 2019 (EDT)
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Text replacement: Requests are valid when you've manually updated all templates and the number of mainspace links after doing so is at least 25.
Flip-Flop Folk category
The article "Flip-Flop Folk" and its category were deleted as a result of this proposal, please can you run a bot to remove "Category:Flip-Flop Folk" from all articles? Nightwicked Bowser 20:25, October 29, 2024 (EDT)
Actually, can you wait on that? It's a lot easier for me to keep track of who needs the new categories with the Flip-Flop Folk one. I'll let you know when I'm done moving everything over, then you can run it. Technetium (talk) 20:27, October 29, 2024 (EDT)
Ok, you're all good to run it now! Technetium (talk) 21:08, October 29, 2024 (EDT)
Actually I'm stupid, there is no bot to run now that all instances of the category were manually removed by me, lol. Technetium (talk) 21:19, October 29, 2024 (EDT)
Recent proposal
As a result of this proposal passing, I'm requesting that some links be changed. IF any more should be, I will add more, but for now, here are my requested changes:
The title of Mario Bros. have returned has been changed to Mario Bros. Returns, would you be able to change all the image categories for the game? — Lady Sophie(T|C) 08:11, November 21, 2024 (EST)
Thank you! — Lady Sophie(T|C) 10:03, November 21, 2024 (EST)
A little more help with the "Multilang profile" template
I appreciate the contributions you have made to {{Multilang profile}} over time.
I just logged a new edit on the template that seeks to prioritize English descriptions over the others by making the latter collapsible. However, due to the various set-ups of this template, many instances of it on the wiki are displaying content improperly. Specifically, the non-English descriptions will not go inside the collapsible space when the template (a) shows the type of description and (b) has both English and non-English descriptions. You can see an example here. I would like to know why this happens.
I decided not to make the non-English descriptions collapsible when there aren't any English ones because the purpose of this change would be moot--there's no sense prioritizing English text that isn't there. -- KOOPACONCARNE 17:07, December 8, 2024 (EST)
Happy to help. So... the parser didn't like combining asterisks from multiple different functions within the columns div. For whatever reason. --Steve (talk) 21:44, December 8, 2024 (EST)
How to merge accounts
Hi, on Triforce Wiki LTL's lost his account credentials and needs to make a new one, how would I go about merging his edit history to the new one? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:48, December 29, 2024 (EST)
You would need the UserMerge extension to do that. But I would forget that and just manually change the password on the account. --Steve (talk) 13:52, December 29, 2024 (EST)
Great, thanks! That sounds a lot easier. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:11, December 29, 2024 (EST)
How do you make this template visible while logged out? -- KOOPACONCARNE 15:34, January 26, 2025 (EST)
Thank you so much for solving this issue. I have one more request; I think it would be useful if the "documented" parameter was used to split articles into a category called "Lost media with advanced wiki documentation". Setting these articles aside would make it easier for people with an interest in such things to navigate the subjects that are in a more dire need of attention. If you agree, I'd like to ask if you can add this function to the template. I would have performed this action on my own, but the template is currently protected. -- KOOPACONCARNE 16:57, January 26, 2025 (EST)
Trivia to Notes
Hello. I'm new editor here. I was wondering why "Trivia" was changed to "Notes"? Sprig Plantar (talk) 19:20, February 2, 2025 (EST)
Heya! Sorry to bother, but we had a question. On the Super Mario Bros. Special gallery, we wanted to give some of the entries there (namely, a good portion of the sprites) a #00F background, like how they appear in-game. Kinda like how the Super Mario Bros. gallery uses the in-game sky colors. However, uh, it turns out that it's not that simple, as it relies on classes, and using style is seemingly out of the question as well. Do you have any potential ideas for a more dynamic version of the classes we already have, like something that allows one to manually specify hex code (that way, if a similar issue like this crops up, we don't need to keep updating the CSS sheet for every new class we need for every new unique background); or failing that, just adding #00F to the available colors for classes? ~Camwoodstock(talk) 14:10, February 9, 2025 (EST)
Clear your cache and take a look at this. --Steve (talk) 14:56, February 9, 2025 (EST)
That's perfect for our purposes, thank you very much!! ~Camwoodstock(talk) 15:01, February 9, 2025 (EST)
Math in tables
Does WikiMedia have a feature for tables where, say, one cell displays a value based on a math formula that uses values entered in other cells, like in Excel? -- KOOPACONCARNE 14:09, February 12, 2025 (EST)
EDIT: For instance, a three-column table where the third column displays the result of 2x+y, where x and y are variables shown in the previous two columns, like so, except automated somehow:
Thank you so much! I would like to ask you one more math-related question: how do I check if a number is a natural number using MediaWiki syntax? -- KOOPACONCARNE 19:10, February 12, 2025 (EST)
Would it be possible to enable this feature for non-logged-in visitors? I ask because of my dark mode proposal.--Pizza Master 17:38, February 13, 2025 (EST)
It's better to keep it to logged-in users for server performance, but I guess we can give it a try if that proposal passes. --Steve (talk) 11:03, February 14, 2025 (EST)
Text replacement: MC Ballyhoo, Big Top
currently working on redirecting all the formerly-separate MC Ballyhoo & Big Top links to the merged page. is this something that can be automated? — eviemaybe (talk / contributions) 13:41, February 14, 2025 (EST)
Do yay want some? I can try, but I can't promise I could make you some. I'll leave a message if I successfuly do if you want me to. The thing is you see that Waluigi on the Welcome Banner of my talk/user page? That, I edited from ONE pose to make like 22! One includes that. So, I can try, but again, I can't promise anything.
Minimariolover10: Woot :Care for some NSMB sprites if I can?
EDT2: I might, or maybe I could do how I made a Mini Mario, paste textures on your sprite. Trust me, it'll be fine, and if I do do it, I'll send it on your Talk Page in Userpedia, so be aware. Oh! And good luck starting NSMB srpites. Practice makes perfect! [User:Minimariolover10|
Minimariolover10]]: Woot :Care for some tea?
I'm working on some! So, in in about 2 hours or so, go to Userpedia where you will get NSMB sprites. Typically, it's sidescrolling. And, since I will be in yours, may you PLZ be in my comic? Sign in at Userpedia plz (Comics:Minimariolover10's Mis-Adventures). [User:Minimariolover10|
Minimariolover10]]: Woot :Care for some comics?
EDT3: Wait..Id din't get it. You don't want to be i my comic? Oke dokey. And I'm almost done with a sample of your NSMB sprite, if you want to see it. Just need to finish your dice and add more texture to your skin. Do you also want Twink in the sprites?
Minimariolover10: Woot :Care for some tea?
EDT6: I'm going to be a pain and so no. I'm gonna have to post it on Userpedia. Looka t your Talk Page, not reply plz.
Minimariolover10: Woot :Care for some talk pages?
OK, I made a sample of the NSMB you. Tell me if you think it's NSMB styled or not *hueh*.
EDT7: But it would be considered pillowed since it's NSMB styled. And, I plan to mak emore maybe tomorrow whenenver you think I should. I gotta do more stuff and such.
EDT8: No, I can't on MFGG. But the sheet will be a LONG time, sorry. Maybe in a week. I'm too tempted to edit the Wiki now. Plus I have to make some messages to other users, and I'll get new messages while doing that, so..yeah I'm too busy right now.
Minimariolover10: Woot :Care for some tea?
oK, there probably won't be alot, geez i wish i had someone to help me, what i'm talking about is all these requests, i got a ton of them, and one by october.
I guess I'll have you run and fly, either know it'll be hard for running because I have to lasso Mario's shoes just right. Minimariolover10TALK TO ME ABOUT MINIES!!
Animated Gif
I'm deleting my spritesheets and moving them to ImageShack. So, can you make an animated gif of me walking platform style in M&LSS? Go to Moving, Left or Right, I truly donts care.
He'll be back. He didn't delete the talkpages and user page. I think it's what ya do when ya leaving for good. Minimariolover10TALK TO ME ABOUT MINIES!! Also he probably won't reply to you soon Fg.
I have a little problem. The Gaming Acheivements section in my homepage has been getting a little long, and I have been wanting to make a table out of them. One part being games I copleted, one part finished games, and the third being for other acheivments. I looked at how it's done on the help section, and saw the table in the Shroom City article as an example, but it just looks too complicated for me. Do you have any advice?
Come on just tell me if your his friend or not i don`t care if your his friend or not it is not my distion!
just tell me you can trust me!come on and pluse you hate fantendo so come on please pretty please with a wii in your room!
PrincessBirdo
We just can't know for sure. Technickal 17:00, 28 November 2011 (EST)
Vandelizim
I don't really understand 2 things. 1. Why did Max2 Vandelize. 2. What kind of things did he say?
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This user thinks the best Super Smash Bros. character is Roy.
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This user loves CHEESE!.
This user loves WAFFLEZ!.
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If you look through my edits expecting huge rewrites of large articles, you'll be disappointed. I work mainly on Wiki Maintenance.
The rest of this page is mainly kept for the nostalgia factor, a reminder of the fun I've had on this Wiki.
I caught a UFO last night. Isyou was inside. He tasted like waffles.
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<Xzelion> I need more quotes for my Page D:
<TB101|MK64> I'll give you some:
<Dannyboy> Im a some of a gun
* Xzelion hopes he gets flamed someday
<Dannyboy> XZ STOP BEING A JERK!
<Dannyboy> OMG I FREAKIN HATE YOU!
<Xzelion> :O
<TB101|MK64> X,if you weren't here (I should add something sappy here, but I won't) we woun't have another crat. XD
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...and then RAP & Xzelion came (to the wiki) one of the best things to happen to the wiki IMO
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Xzelion, you're a perfect example of a good friend
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Yo, Amazing Sysop of Small Grammar Capabilities
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You have captured all of our personalities perfectly (at least mine). You help us. You encourage us. Dude. You deserve to be sysop.
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Congratulations! Your a 'Crat! Well Done for making that level. I think you earned it
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He didn't get promoted becuase he had a "lot of influence.", he was because he deserved it.
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Dark Lord of Sith-ness. 8]
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Lord of the Pwnage(?)
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Xze can be terrible sometimes
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Your brother is always ganging up on me and I hate that.
-Fg to Master Crash
Im never gonna be friends with your bro because he is not so kind to me
-Fg to Master Crash
your brother needs to be a little nicer to everyone...
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Sheesh Your brother is irriatating me on chat the other day and he definitely has an attitude.So what's up with your brother?Sorry to tell you this again but this is ticking me off...
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And Im talking about your bro X who ticks me off...
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You suck Xzelion
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You half-witted freak
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You're as bad as Wayoshi!
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Xzelion is being a jerk
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Hi Wayoshi 2
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But you know Xzelion thinks he has the power of the wiki and Im leaving because of him...And his brother master crash is WAY cooler than Xzelion.
-Fg to 3dejong
I liked you better as GG
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Okay listen Im tired of you ganging up on me and PLEASE STAY OUT OF MY LIFE AND I MEAN IT...
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Rot in hell, Xzelion
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Welcome to the Main Page talk. Feel free to discuss the main page or the wiki as a whole. Talk page proposals placed here must apply to the main page itself; for site-wide proposals, use MarioWiki:Proposals. For general questions, see the FAQ.
Proposal: Add to-do tasks on Main Page
This talk page proposal has already been settled. Please do not edit this section or its subsections. If you wish to discuss the article, please do so in a new section below the proposal.
Add to-do tasks 29-0
On nookipedia's main page they have a to-do list. I love how it lists the exact number of to-do tasks, based on the number within select maintenance categories, and the exact specifics. It seems like a perfect way to motivate people to edit and see ways how they can help. Because I think a question many ask while doing wikis is, "What do I do? Where do I start?" And having a to-do tasklist on the front page would be perfect for that. It's a lot more accessible than "Wiki maintenance" on the sidebar.
I don't have a particular visual in mind, especially images representing the maintenance categories on the front page, but I do imagine it would go right above the "Featured article" and "Mario & Nintendo news" boxes.
But what is a definite is that if this proposal passes, a to-do list similar to Nookipedia's will appear on the front page.
Proposer: Super Mario RPG (talk) Deadline: January 1, 2025, 23:59 GMT Closed early on December 25, 2024, 23:59 GMT
Sparks (talk) If it's a way to provide more motivation and encouragement, yes!
Koopa con Carne (talk) this is a productive idea. Wikis are community-developed projects. One way the Mario Wiki can drive interest in potential new contributors is promoting its areas that need improvement. If there are concerns that this would make the wiki seem lacunar to visitors, think about it this way: if this site was the perfect resource of information on the Mario series, no one would bother to build it further, no? I think the site should embrace its current incompleteness and use it to achieve even better things than it already has.
Camwoodstock (talk) ...If the fact that seeing the "This page has an unresolved talk page proposal!" on the front page caught our attention as much as it did (seriously, we physically paused seeing that, wondering what the commotion was about!), we imagine that having a dedicated section on the main page for things that need help would be noticeably impactful as well. We could even take this a step further and integrate things like the Shroom Spotlight onto it as well, maybe show recent proposals that need help being implemented... Really, the sky's the limit when adding a "things to be done" module to the front page.
Pseudo (talk) Seems useful for keeping up wiki maintenance!
Rykitu (talk) After I finish looking to see the new pages and checking my contributions, I often find myself scrolling through the wiki to find ways to improve. This will make the process much faster.
EvieMaybe (talk) while i think this proposal is currently a bit too vague regarding the execution, i agree with the idea! we need to acknowledge that the wiki is never finished and encourage people to contribute
OmegaRuby (talk) A total no-brainer to get wiki editors to find things to do. Per all.
ThePowerPlayer (talk) At this point, whenever I visit the front page of the wiki, I almost always immediately go to MarioWiki:Proposals to see what's the latest thing on the wiki that could be discussed or worked on. This feels like simply cutting out the middleman, and would no doubt encourage that productive mindset.
So, what kind of tasks do you imagine will be on the front page? What's going to determine which to-do is on the page? It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 18:57, December 18, 2024 (EST)
That's a very good question. I definitely think some of the things would be articles marked with {{rewrite}}, images marked with {{image-quality}}, articles marked with {{unreferenced}}, or a majority of articles marked with some maintenance tag at the top. And then some special pages like Special:WantedPages and Special:UnusedFiles being incorporated in some form as well. Super Mario RPG (talk) 19:05, December 18, 2024 (EST)
I think doing as Nookipedia does is a good option - they pretty much put links to articles with nearly every maintenance tag on it, as well as linking to "active discussions" which would be their version of Proposals. We could have fun with it and choose image icons for them or even draft up our own to fit with the style of the main page! Just throwing ideas out there. OmegaRuby [ Talk / Contribs ] 20:19, December 18, 2024 (EST)
Maybe I am a little late to the discussion but I would appreciate a definitive layout instead of "maybe some of those, and some others like that". It doesn't need to be unchangeable, just something like "here's what I think it should have." — Lady Sophie(T|C) 10:41, December 23, 2024 (EST)
With over 20 supporters, we'll find out soon enough. Super Mario RPG (talk) 11:03, December 23, 2024 (EST)
At the very least, we think having what Nookipedia does is a no-brainer, though as mentioned in our vote, listing passed proposals that haven't been enacted yet (either newly passed or the oldest ones, whatever people decide is more conductive) and the current Shroom Spotlights couldn't hurt. ~Camwoodstock(talk) 20:22, December 18, 2024 (EST)
It's worth noting that in recent months, Bulbapedia has introduced a Bulletin Board that's very similar to Nookipedia's to-do list in its premise. That page is part of a broader Editor's Hub, accessed by clicking "Lend a Hand" on the wiki's main page. For what this proposal outlines, maybe the to-do list could link to its own page that lists specific tasks for different categories. (This might be unrelated, but Bulbapedia's "Community editing projects" remind me of the Mario Wiki's long-deprecated PipeProjects.) ThePowerPlayer 00:48, December 19, 2024 (EST)
After reading and talking in conversations yesterday in the Discord, I realized something: Isn't this just kind of an extended concept of what 'Shroom Spotlight wants to do? Perhaps we could work in tandem with it, having an element on the to-do list be a link to the Spotlight page/current Spotlight edition, and possibly having the Spotlight mention the to-do alongside unimplemented proposals. OmegaRuby [ Talk / Contribs ] 12:20, December 19, 2024 (EST)
@OmegaRuby A good paint raised. If anything, I think this will help Shroom Spotlight because it help them access articles more easily from each of the maintenance categories. Super Mario RPG (talk) 13:40, December 19, 2024 (EST)
Would there be a way to track red links too? I think this could be very useful --Conradd (talk) 14:50, December 23, 2024 (EST)
Other changes?
Since the addition of to-do tasks is really popular, I'm prompted to bring up a few small things with the main page are visually irritating to me:
The left and right floats are separate and not merged into a single float on the left and right each, excluding the topmost float, the Shroom notice, and NIWA banner. The small, unaligned white spaces between the floats doesn't look good.
The heading colors could be worth considering, if they're too bright (especially the "MarioWiki newspaper" one, but that's for another discussion.
The social links aren't close together on the uppermost float, and may work better with a float within the uppermost float.Super Mario RPG (talk) 11:00, December 23, 2024 (EST)
I honestly feel like we'd need a visualization of this as well as your proposed to-do list if we were to go any further with this. Having a proposal passed with no clear idea of what the changes will look like doesn't prompt the changes to be put in effect nearly as fast as it would with a true visualization or example. OmegaRuby [ Talk / Contribs ] 10:30, December 24, 2024 (EST)
Pretty much why I haven't voted, even if the outcome is obviously clear at this point. — Lady Sophie(T|C) 10:57, December 24, 2024 (EST)
Yeah, I think I jumped the gun a few days ahead of time with this discussion because I wasn't expecting this to become one of the most popular proposals in presumably the site's history. I'll try and set up a sandbox for what I'm considering in a few days. Super Mario RPG (talk) 11:35, December 24, 2024 (EST)
The separate floats allow the page's layout to rearrange dynamically depending on the amount of content in them and the size of your screen, I wouldn't mess with them. --Too Bad!WaluigiTime! 11:58, December 24, 2024 (EST)
I get that. It's about the unevenness in that the end of a float on the left or right side doesn't match the same length of a float on the other side. Super Mario RPG (talk) 14:36, December 24, 2024 (EST)
Personally I like the unevenness. It is visually more interesting to me than a rigid grid.— Lady Sophie(T|C) 09:50, December 25, 2024 (EST)
@LadySophie17 Well looks like the unevenness is sort of resolved on my monitor with the implementation of the new to-do tasks. Super Mario RPG (talk) 20:17, December 25, 2024 (EST)
Another thing is that I think the navigation at the top right is limited. Though I'm aware it's only links to list pages, I think it would nice if there was a way to access all the pages for like Objects or Terms from the front page. Super Mario RPG (talk) 20:27, December 25, 2024 (EST)
An extra remark; in the current implementation, the counters are all on one row that breaks its line depending on screen width. We keep our browser window at 1280px (long story, tl;dr we have one monitor but have our windows organized accordingly) and it looks... Weird. Unused files, wanted categories, and wanted pages all take up a row all to itself, right below. Everything else. We think a more rigid, grid-like layout (like the Nookipedia one this proposal was inspired by) might help remedy this, though it will inevitably make things taller on displays that are already wide enough to display it... ~Camwoodstock(talk) 21:53, December 25, 2024 (EST)
@Camwoodstock To be honest, I like the Nookipedia main page more than this site's since there's more personality to it that's reflective of Animal Crossing, while there's a lack of Super Mario identity to the front page of this wiki. Nookipedia also has the social media links grouped together (a point I've brought up above), and I actually like how the heading floats are separate from the floats with the contents within them, since purple in a light blue float, red in a light blue float, so forth don't seem to mix well, at least from my perspective. Super Mario RPG (talk) 10:21, December 26, 2024 (EST)
MarioWiki definitely needs a kind of visual aid to accompany this to-do list just to make it easier to actually locate the category. Nookipedia at least has unified game assets from hundreds of furniture pieces to choose from. MarioWiki might actually need custom sprites or something to match this. Unless we have something??? Anyway I was hesitant to support the proposal since it lacked a solid groundwork, but it's not a big deal if we can manage. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 15:14, December 26, 2024 (EST)
@Mario There should be more than enough Super Mario assets to consider to add into the to-do tasks, but I think they have to be PNG's. Super Mario RPG (talk) 15:23, December 26, 2024 (EST)
Yes, but my concern is if have enough assets with the same art style. Nookipedia can use all its assets from one game, New Horizons (Happy Home Designer years ago). MarioWiki doesn't really have much of an equivalent. However, maybe one can first propose a set of images we can decide at least? It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 15:52, December 26, 2024 (EST)
So you're saying the images have to all be from the same game? Super Mario RPG (talk) 15:54, December 26, 2024 (EST)
I recommend they have the same style, like should we use settle on a particular sprite style or a 3d render style? Or maybe a vector style? Something to fit the tone of the Super Mario franchise. I'd like to see a preview of this first. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 15:57, December 26, 2024 (EST)
Yeah, I can try making it on my user sandbox. Super Mario RPG (talk) 16:22, December 26, 2024 (EST)
While I like the concept of the to-do list, at least in my opinion I think merging it with the announcement bar makes it feel... sidelined, in a way. The announcement gets a bit overshadowed due to being easy to overlook the pure text when it's sharing space with a bunch of boxes; I think it'd be better to split them into a separate announcement bar and to-do list bar. It wouldn't take up THAT much more vertical space and being in its own bar means the text draws notice again. Superchao (talk)
The To-do list has been updated now to separate each category into certain groups. These groups are "Community discussions", "Article maintenance", "Page maintenance" and "File maintenance". While I appreciate the changes (and thank whoever implemented it, as the layout is one I proposed), there's still a lot of room for improvement, so here are a few ideas.
Group names: We could display the names above each group. These could be the ones I proposed above, or we could discuss and change them.
Unique colors: Many of the categories here have associated colors to them, such as the {{construction}}'s orange or the {{Image-quality}}'s yellow. We could color each box with its corresponding color if it has one, and pick one if it hasnt. Additionally, we could change some existing colors to create better cohesion between them. This all requires further discussion but off the top of my head, I know {{Media-quality}} and {{Media-length}} use the {{Image-quality}}'s yellow, but the {{Media missing}} template uses purple, so perhaps that should be color for the other two media templates.
Icons: I think the use of icons is a good idea for the front page, and I agree they should be unified in design and probably not just regular shrunk renders. The issue comes in the sheer number of categories (I don't even know how many there are, since they disappear if there are zero pages that qualify for it). So instead of picking a dozen or so icons, we could just pick four for the current groups.
Sorry if this is a lot, but we can tackle everything step by step.— Lady Sophie(T|C) 17:08, December 27, 2024 (EST)
On my sandbox page, you can see a rough idea I have about grouping the social media icons together, including text of each site name, though I currently haven't figured out how to add a white bubble around them like the List pages on the left. Does anyone think this works better than the icons disorganized on the left and right? Super Mario RPG (talk) 18:10, December 27, 2024 (EST)
Update, looks like they've been added, so consider this one done. Super Mario RPG (talk) 23:16, December 27, 2024 (EST)
Actually, since we're talking about adding icons to the maintenance bubbles, I was wondering if the same could be done for bubble in the upper right, like a representative image for list of games, characters, items, merchandise, and so forth. I don't think it would make sense to add images to the maintenance categories but not an illustration per each subject. The changes have also been added to my sandbox page (though it should definitely look better than this if we're to utilize it). However, the floats will probably either have to be divided or different representative images to choose for each subject if we're to go for this idea. Super Mario RPG (talk) 18:21, December 27, 2024 (EST)
One thing we noticed is that, for some reason, the maintenance section isn't appearing on mobile. At least, not for us. We did clear our cache, and set it to browser mode, but still, nothing. Unsure if this is a "it just doesn't work on our machine" thing, or if this is a more reliable thing? Point is, we know some people edit this wiki on mobile sometimes, and if this is somehow not showing up for them, that might be a predicament. ;P ~Camwoodstock(talk) 11:02, December 29, 2024 (EST)
We figure we should ask this here, in a more "people can see it whenever" place; at one point, it was mentioned that we could give the various categories little icons, though that does raise the question of what images we use for each maintenance category (not helped by the fact that categories without images are hidden, making it annoying to find a full list of categories we need images for.) In addition, there's also the rather silly question of where exactly we put the images. We know a few images were suggested over on the Discord, though would it be worth a more concentrated effort to add these icons? ~Camwoodstock(talk) 23:07, December 29, 2024 (EST)
If it captivates the charm of the Super Mario franchise, then definitely. On another note, @Mario's okay with either standard bullet list or compact icons within the list pages to the upper right. Super Mario RPG (talk) 23:45, December 29, 2024 (EST)
Add Account services and Changing username?
I was wondering if the links to MarioWiki:Account services and MarioWiki:Changing username could be added to the main page since they appear to be used fairly often, and this may help others notice and use them, given that they abide by the guidelines, of course. Super Mario RPG (talk) 08:37, December 31, 2024 (EST)
No need since they're listed on the help contents, which is linked. --Steve (talk) 11:26, December 31, 2024 (EST)
Proposal: Remove “references” from the front page header
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Remove "references" from the front page 14-1
We’re all more than familiar with the front page of the wiki by now, including its header on the top. There, beneath our article count, one can find multiple links related to the wiki, its practices, and its extended community… with one exception: the references link.
In the context of wiki info, at first glance I would assume “references” to mean “a list of references that the wiki pulls from.” Especially next to the words “glossary” and “about”, this seems like a natural assumption. I don’t mean that as a thought experiment, either. I actually assumed that’s what the page was until I first clicked onto it, and was confused to discover that it was more information related to the franchise itself.
It feels like an odd place for a “references in other media” link to live. None of the other links there cover content related directly to the Mario franchise – that’s what the links in the righthand bubble are for. While I believe a link to “references in other media” could belong on the front page in that bubble, it’s probably better to take this step-by-step, and have our first step be removing “references” from that portion of the page. Then if that’s agreed upon, there could be a discussion of what it should replace on the right, if anything.
Proposer: Roserade (talk) Deadline: January 16th, 2025, 23:59 GMT Closed early on January 9, 2025, 23:59 GMT
Sparks (talk) Per proposal. It is strange to have this in the middle of information about the wiki.
Camwoodstock (talk) Per proposal and comments below, especially from @Mario--this feels way more fit for the bullet points on the side, not alongside things like our Help or Maintenance pages.
MarioComix (talk) Per proposal, definitely seems like an odd spot for it. If one is worried about keeping the formatting symmetrical as it is now, perhaps adding a link to Introduction would work as a replacement, since Help was telling me to go there first anyway.
PaperSplash (talk) Yeah, that is a misleading link title and odd place to put it. I'm not against it still being on the front page itself but it's definitely out of place on the header and perhaps should be given a more clear title.
Wonder Time! (talk) Per all, didn't make much sense in the first place.
Oppose
Wonder Time! (talk) I'm probably not worth listening to, but I feel that the 'References" link is nice because otherwise that page would probably be buried in the list of unused pages, anyhow, and then would be moved to deletion. Then again, if the plan is just to move it somewhere else and not remove it completely, than that might not be a good argument.
I'm not going to vote (not now at least), but maybe the "references" link is there to show how popular the Mario franchise is in real life and how culturally significant it is? Sparks (talk) 18:05, January 2, 2025 (EST)
That is definitely the function of the page overall, I just feel like its current placement of the link with its title is misleading to what the page is. Roserade (talk) 18:09, January 2, 2025 (EST)
It is strange to see it just grouped with information relating to the wiki. I feel this could be included in the bulleted list to the right of the information (where "characters", "publications" etc. are). Just a suggestion though. Sparks (talk) 18:14, January 2, 2025 (EST)
This is what I point out at the end of the proposal. I think this is viable and probably preferable, but I didn't want to muddy the choices on this initial proposal by making the question "should it go on the right, and if yes, what should it replace to maintain an even look, or does the list need to look even at all" etc etc etc Roserade (talk) 18:18, January 2, 2025 (EST)
"References", due to its placement, gives off the vibes that there are like common works MarioWiki sources from, like it's a list of resources for Mario fans. The placement is odd, and I think it would fit with the bullet list on the right. The Mario series does lend itself to plenty of cultural references and whatnot, so I still believe it should be on the front page. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 18:19, January 2, 2025 (EST)
In my mind, the stuff in the box to the right is all about our coverage of material straight from official sources. The references lists don't fall within that and are more of a "wiki project" of material that is unofficial but still of interest for us to catalog. The glossary list is a little bit similar as a project of ours but smaller in scope. --Steve (talk) 18:23, January 2, 2025 (EST)
Perhaps References could be relegated to the sidebar. Super Mario RPG (talk) 21:29, January 2, 2025 (EST)
Not against the idea of it being there, but all the other article links on the sidebar are also on the main page. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 21:36, January 2, 2025 (EST)
So, we should move it where the other links on the main page, y'know, "Games, Characters, Locations, etc." are. Wonder Time!
Regardless of outcome, having a list of regularly cited sources, perhaps a space that other users and copy and paste from for their own projects, sounds like a great idea. We should definitely have something like that. - Nintendo101 (talk) 19:13, January 2, 2025 (EST)
This was another thought I had while drafting this up. My initial assumption of what the reference page was would be a very cool feature for the wiki. Roserade (talk) 19:17, January 2, 2025 (EST)
@Wonder Time!: I don't think you understood the proposal correctly. The references pages will still be linked to in other places, and they certainly won't be deleted. This is just about removing that one specific out-of-place link on the main page. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 18:46, January 4, 2025 (EST)
You're right, I misunderstood the thing and now that I look, that IS an odd place to have it. I'm biased, 'cause I used that link a few times in my last year or so here, so being a noob I decided to vote against it. Can I change my vote retroactively? Wonder Time!
Yes, you can use the strikethrough to mark your former vote.--Platform (talk) 19:58, January 8, 2025 (EST)
Now that the proposal is over, are we going to move the "References" link to the right-hand bubble, or remove it entirely? Wonder Time!
Maintenance link
I think the to-do list is much more noticeable, does a lot more to inspire participation, and effectively makes the "Maintenance" link on the top float redundant. Not to mention it's already in the sidebar. Super Mario RPG (talk) 11:58, January 5, 2025 (EST)
So are other links on the top float. I think the maintenance page should stay, serving as an introduction of sorts to managing and maintaining the wiki - and then the to-do list serves as a hub for people who know what to do now through the maintenance page. OmegaRuby [ Talk / Contribs ] 14:11, January 6, 2025 (EST)
Main page colors
Continuing from @Mario's page per suggestion. I've recently learned of a proposal about accessibility on mainspace, which includes Main Page. I've taken a look at the five heading colors on the front page and got these results from webaim.org, with #FFF as the text color like on the Main page:
Featured article heading (#009D00). It has a contrast ratio of 3.6:1. It fails the WCAG AA and WCAG AAA tests when it's small text, but as large text it passes at WCAG AA but not WCAG AAA.
Mario & Nintendo news (#1C49FF). Contrast ratio is 6.09:1. It only fails WCAG AAA small text.
Community poll (#9B04FF). Contrast ratio is 5.44:1. It only fails WCAG AAA small text, like the aforementioned.
Did you know (#FF8000). Contrast ratio is 2.51:1. It fails both small and large WCAG AA and AAA tests.
Mushroom World Encyclopedia (#FF4868). Contrast ratio is 3.29:1. It fails both small and large AAA tests and passes only the large text AA.
The Shroom (#EC0000). Contrast ratio is 4.59:1. It only fails WCAG AAA small text.
Now granted, the border colors weren't in these tests, and they may affect the results of a few of them. But at least one of the headings is not meeting the WCAG AA guidelines, the Did you know, and two are not compliant with it as small text. Super Mario RPG (talk) 22:30, January 5, 2025 (EST)
I'm not sure if changing to fit smalltext is necessary or not, but it should be pretty easy to signal to someone to change the Did you know header slightly. OmegaRuby [ Talk / Contribs ] 13:46, January 7, 2025 (EST)
Part of me is uncertain as of what defines smalltext, since that could be relative to the screen size. I will say that I do think the darkened borders of each color heading is unnecessary. Super Mario RPG (talk) 13:49, January 7, 2025 (EST)
Darkening DYK to make sure it's complaint with WCAG AAA turns it into brown (which is really dark orange/dark red anyway); I've used #993B00. Maybe we should have black text to keep the "feel" of those colors? It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk)
Black text on the existing colors? I'd probably need to see a comparison/example as I'm uncertain about that OmegaRuby [ Talk / Contribs ] 22:39, January 7, 2025 (EST)
@Mario@OmegaRuby I think it could work, though definitely not on the existing colors (that'd definitely violate WCAG). Besides, it would look inconsistent if all the other headings use white text but then this one uses black text. On my sandbox I've tried some colors for if we're going to do black text for all of them while doing my best to capture the spirit behind the original colors. Super Mario RPG (talk) 22:55, January 7, 2025 (EST)
I think it looks good! I feel as though the removal of the borders around the colored cells is a bit off-putting in terms of consistency with the other cells on the main page. I think adding the borders would make this change perfect. OmegaRuby [ Talk / Contribs ] 07:59, January 8, 2025 (EST)
Honestly? Perfect. I would say make the borders on the colored headers darker values of the existing colors but I think it also looks good with the color used universally. I'd try and push this with a proposal explaining why the change is necessary (WCAG AA compliance for every colored header, improving accessibility). OmegaRuby [ Talk / Contribs ] 11:15, January 8, 2025 (EST)
Super Mario 64 isn't the only game with fall damage. DK64 has fall damage as well. The GBA version of Mario vs Donkey Kong also has fall damage, in which if you fall from a very high height, you lose a life (you only get stunned if you fall from a high height). Finally I don't know which other games has them.
Also ARGH I KEEP ACCIDENTALLY FORGETTING TO SIGN
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by ToadMushroom823 (talk).
I don't think the topic is broad enough to warrant a full article. Yes, fall damage is in multiple Super Mario games but I don't know if it's enough to actually need a full article. Also, I'm not sure if this is an appropriate space to suggest this - anyways, I suggest you make a proposal to have it reach more people. OmegaRuby [ Talk / Contribs ] 13:50, January 7, 2025 (EST)
Proposal: Lighten the heading colors
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canceled by proposer
This proposal continues from the discussion on an above section, where I checked the heading colors for each of the aforementioned sections and raised a concern that at least one of the headings (the Did you know) does not comply with WCAG AA, not only hindering accessibility slightly but also going against the rules established by this proposal, since the Main Page does is counted as a mainspace title. When @Mario suggested making the text colors black, I got to work on my sandbox to draft up new colors that not only has black text but tries to maintain the whimsical and colorful nature that the original colored headings had. They look much better now in my opinion.
So if this proposal passes, the heading colors will change to the ones in my sandbox. The colors and border colors could be slightly tweaked if needed.
Edit: Keep in mind for dark mode, we'd need to retain the current dark headings, or colors similar to it, to accommodate users who use dark mode. I think the CSS could make it so that light mode gets light headings whilst dark mode would consistently have dark headings.
YoYo (talk) dark mode does the inverse of what you want, you failed to take that into account.
Nintendo101 (talk) I like the vibrancy of the colors we have. Softer pastels are not really associated with Super Mario games. If the "Did You Know?" header is a legitimate issue for folks, I would recommend we just adjust that one.
Camwoodstock (talk) We don't particularly enjoy the pastels, and in the case of Dark Mode specifically, the readability for the 'Shroom header actually takes a notable hit, which is a pretty glaring oversight to us; this is the exact opposite of the intended effect!
Arend (talk) Current colors are fine; they don't hurt the eyes and are very Mario-esque in style.
MCD (talk) Per all, really don't see what the issue is with a bit of colour & agree with Camwoodstock that readability is worse on the sandbox (or the titles just don't stand out).
@YoYo I think there's CSS code that can allow colors to be inverted. Anyway, I've updated the proposal to address this. Super Mario RPG (talk) 15:08, January 8, 2025 (EST)
@Nintendo101 I don't think white on any shade of orange could meet accessibility standards, so if the black text is used for the "Did you know" that doesn't meet the WCAG AA standards, that'd make it inconsistent with the white text on other headings, and therefore look worse if it's all not consistent. Super Mario RPG (talk) 17:21, January 8, 2025 (EST)
Inconsistency is not inherently unattractive.
Does it even need to be orange? - Nintendo101 (talk) 17:52, January 8, 2025 (EST)
What other color do you suggest? Super Mario RPG (talk) 18:07, January 8, 2025 (EST)
WCAG
@OmegaRuby@Mario So with the above proposal, it's evident that the community here does not want pastel headings to remedy any potential WCAG AA accessibility problems, so I think the "Did you know" not meeting WCAG AA guidelines should be a staff decision? Super Mario RPG (talk) 12:32, January 10, 2025 (EST)
Guess so. I'm not sure what else you could do, and I don't have much ideas after the proposal failed. OmegaRuby [ Talk / Contribs ] 16:17, January 10, 2025 (EST)
What to do with References now
Making this its own talk header now that the proposal has officially wrapped up.
The question is what to do with the references link now that it's being moved. I personally hold that having it on the front page is a good call, and I would advocate for it to be relocated into the bulleted list. I also appreciate MarioComix's thought on replacing the References link with Introduction. But of course, any other suggestions would be welcome. Roserade (talk) 13:05, January 10, 2025 (EST)
The main question we have is, do we introduce a few more bullet points to go alongside References, or do we swap one of the pre-existing ones out for it? ~Camwoodstock(talk) 13:17, January 10, 2025 (EST)
I'd support more bullet points in addition to compact icons besides each of them, like Nookipedia's main page, as well as for the to-do list, but we haven't figured out the specifics for each set. Super Mario RPG (talk) 13:54, January 10, 2025 (EST)
I'm pretty torn between the two. On the one hand, I feel like all of the links currently on the front page are pretty important to have front-and-center, but on the other hand, I don't want three superfluous links tossed up front just because. Are there any other wiki pages that are in a similar "genre" to references - material that is a little on-the-edge of what's "official" Mario franchise content? Roserade (talk) 15:47, January 10, 2025 (EST)
Rename "pending" deletions/merges/moves/splits to "suggested"
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vetoed by the proprietor Slightly different version immediately put into effect
The phrasing of "pending" implies that it's already been decided and simply hasn't been implemented yet, which is inaccurate. "Suggested" conveys the point of the notice better, although I'm open to suggestions for alternate phrasings. If this passes, it would apply to both the front page template and the category names.
Proposer: EvieMaybe (talk) Deadline: January 25, 2025, 23:59 GMT
Salmancer (talk) I don't use those templates as absolutes, and neither does the text of the category pages or the templates that put articles in those categories. (The templates say they are based on the upcoming decision of a discussion/proposal, the categories say these are "requests". Best to resolve the disconnect now.
Just saying that Wapopedia changed the wiki name. You probably should change it in the main page. I mean, instead of Wapopedia, use Drawn To Life Wiki. Peace ✌️. Weegie baby (talk) 08:29, January 14, 2025 (EST)
It didn't change. It's always used multiple names. Their logo proudly mentions Wapopedia, so our main page says "Wapopedia: Drawn to Life" instead of "Drawn to Life Wiki: Drawn to Life" to get in a mention of the Wapopedia name as well. --Steve (talk) 09:25, January 14, 2025 (EST)
Proposal: Swap the spots of the To Do List and the Mushroom World Encyclopedia boxes
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do not swap 3-1-10
At least to me, it doesn't leave a good taste that one of the first things you see in the main page is a direct list of negatives/things to be fixed. That is for two reasons:
The way it's laid out at the top of the page. It was good user experience to have the news section to be immediately and largely visible right from the start, as well as the featured article as a taste of what the wiki has to offer. But now you have to scroll down a bit to see those things properly on desktop (more or less depending on zoom level and whatnot, but regardless). Now the list of stuff that is lacking feels more prominent than the content itself, and that is a bit sad.
It is plastered on there without any title, warning or introduction, almost as if it's passive-aggressively nudging whatever random reader stumbles there to just get on with fixing stuff.
And even though it was based on how Nookipedia does it, and they too have a To Do box on the top of their main page, their design and layout styles are very different from this wiki's, which, at least to me, makes it work there better than here.
The To Do List would fit nicely on the spot where the Mushroom World Encyclopedia currently is, where it is easily found but not as headline-level content, and where it could have a header like "Our To Do List". Likewise, the Mushroom World Encyclopedia section would be fitting at the spot where the To Do List is, though I'd suggest making it narrow on desktop.
Proposer: Bro Hammer (talk) Deadline: February 1, 2025, 23:59 GMT
Camwoodstock (talk) We don't see the to-do list as a "list of negatives", and it's not like it even appears if you aren't logged in anyway, so it's not really giving a poor first impression to casual browsers. If anything, it's very helpful to have a list of things that can be worked on front-and-center on the front page; having to try to scroll down to where it is would defeat a lot of the ease of use and utility purpose that the list has in the first place.
Nintendo101 (talk) Per Camwoodstock. While it may look intimidating, one is more than welcomed to help out with some of these issues if they are bothered by them. Many of them are small, bite-sized issues.
ThePowerPlayer (talk) All of the goals on the to-do list would be too cramped in the bottom right corner of the page. Conversely, the Mushroom World Encyclopedia box would have too much empty space if it was given the entire horizontal span of the page.
EvieMaybe (talk) i like having to-dos just there when i open the page, it's helpful. putting it out of the way would be counterproductive
CopyEditFlower (talk) Speaking as part of the audience of concern—I visit much more often than I edit—I didn’t even notice there was a to-do list on the main page till I saw this discussion linked at the top of that page. Maybe that’s an issue itself for the to-do list’s location, and that’s not for me to say, really. But if it’s a problem, it wouldn’t be the problem raised here.
SComic (talk) Per Camwoodstock. Also the Mushroom World Encyclopedia box is nice and cozy where it is. I don't think it should be in a big banner at the top of the screen.
Comments
@Bro Hammer btw, you forgot to add the {{TPP}} template... and to add the proposal to the list of ongoing talk page proposals — eviemaybe (talk / contributions) 23:01, January 17, 2025 (EST)
"It is plastered on there without any title, warning or introduction" ...would it help if our to-do section got a header, just like on Nookipedia? Also, we do have this to-do list only for less than a month. I think it's a bit early to tell whether or not it has intimidated anyone yet. rend(talk)(edits) 00:57, January 21, 2025 (EST)
@Arend Yeah, I think it would help a great deal if it had a header. A while ago, I went inactive (And rightfully so) on the wiki for a few months, and then came back and WOAH! There's a to-do list, except I had no clue that's what it was. Since it seems every five seconds there's a new proposal here, why not make that next? Wonder Time!
add VisualEditor to MarioWiki
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Super Mario RPG (talk) It's a good way to help familiarize newer users to editing.
Shy Guy on Wheels (talk) More options are good. If you don't like it then just don't use it once implemented.
Oppose
Camwoodstock (talk) This has been discussed on multiple occasions before, and even ignoring the hurdle of Porplemontage's approval, we can't say we're a fan of VisualEditor. It tends to yield very, very janky source that is honestly even harder to read than if it was written with the actual actual plaintext. It's a lot easier to learn how to use the basic editor than to try and make the results of VisualEditor look good, from our experience.
Wonder Time! (talk) Seems like it would be a huge impact that is just unnecessary.
Pseudo (talk) I dislike VisualEditor personally because I feel that it leads to a poorer understanding of the underlying workings of wikitext, which is very valuable to understand if you are going to be an even semi-regular editor. People should know how the site they're using works rather than relying on a janky frontend. Ultimately, I have a similar take on this to Camwoodstock.
Rykitu (talk) Per all. I joined this wiki 4 months ago and I can say it is pretty easy to understand after a couple weeks and a couple tips from the SYSOPs. Easy enough that I don't think an easier version is necessary. Also seems like there is a large hurdle towards getting Porplemontage to add one in, and I don't think it's worth the effort. Not to mention VisualEditor doesn't seem to have a good reputation.
ThePowerPlayer (talk) Pseudo has a very good point that counters the mentality of "if you don't like it, don't use it": whether or not existing users will use VisualEditor, new users would likely default to using it without understanding the intricacies of MediaWiki formatting, which makes them more likely to make formatting mistakes by accident. It's especially easier to just use the text-based editor when editing e.g. templates, tables, or adding article categories.
CopyEditFlower (talk) Offering this tool has wrecked multiple wikis. New users will use it overwhelmingly, understandably, and that will wreck multiple pages’ formatting in ways difficult to untangle later. I’ve seen it happen before.
This proposal has actually been tried a coupletimes before. The thing about this is that it's a function that can only be implemented by the wiki's proprietor (in our case, Porplemontage (talk)). rend(talk)(edits) 14:27, January 21, 2025 (EST)
Why is this proposal on the Main Page talk page even though it does not pertain to the Main Page specifically? Proposals that apply to the whole wiki should be in MarioWiki:Proposals. Jdtendo(T|C) 05:23, January 22, 2025 (EST)
I guess because the Main Page talk can be used to discuss the wiki as a whole as well, as indicated by the introduction text at the top, and this user misinterpreted it as applying to proposals as well. rend(talk)(edits) 05:27, January 22, 2025 (EST)
Not voting, but paradoxically adding this option does have a cost even if you don't use it. The cost is accidentally clicking "edit", and thus opening VisualEditor, when you intended to click "edit source". Either you wait it out or back out of the page then use "edit source", but either way time is spent. Also someone has to take time to actually implement all the templates that use parameters into Visual Editor, because Visual Editor by default is not all that good at templates with parameters. Salmancer (talk) 12:06, January 23, 2025 (EST)
Uh... can someone explain how VisualEditor is handy to use? MH:) at 03:35, February 3, 2025 (EST)
I'm abstaining for now, but some things are impossible to do in VisualEditor. --FanOfYoshi at 03:48, February 3, 2025 (EST)
In all reality, it wouldn't make sense to add this in the first time. VisualEditor would be here to help new editors, but it, theoretically, could make it super easy, so anyone can join MarioWiki and edit in large quantities, something we can't have. So, keep the traditional editing format, and if someone think's too difficult to edit, perhaps they shouldn't be here in the first place. (P.S. Not trying to newbie bash, but, still...) Wonder Time!
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Why the heck is this article so huge?! It lags like a WIKIA page! Are all of those images necessary? HavocReaper48 23:22, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
This article needs to be huge because it is a Featured Article, and this article follows everything the Featured Articles needs, huge articles need to stay that way, etc. HappyHalloween!
No, it's huge because there's a lot of info that needs to be covered. Being large isn't actually an FA requirement: as long as the article's not tiny, it's the quality that matters, not the quantity. - Walkazo 16:09, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
Split
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I say we split the music staff and voice cast sections into separate, respectful sub-articles, just like the staff and soundtracks. One reason, this article is ENORMOUS and we need to down size it a bit.
Proposer: Zero777 (talk) Proposed Deadline: April 17, 2011, 23:59 GMT Date Withdrawn: April 15, 2011
Really? All you need to do is find the time in GMT (which for you I heard you mention is +8 hours for you) then check the date. Go forward two weeks from that date and end at 23:59 or 24:00 GMT. Rule 2 on the proposal page can be a little confusing, I had to read it a few times before I got what it was saying. Bop1996(Talk) 10:34, 7 April 2011 (EDT)
I just have my date and time preferences set to the server default and look at RecentChanges to keep track of what time it is in GMT. For the deadline, I just look at a calendar and go straight down the day column two weeks; adding 14 days to the date also works if you're not crossing into another month (in this case, 3 + 14 = 17). The only potentially confusing part of Rule 2 (imho) is the stuff about rounding the voting start time, which doesn't apply to TPPs. I added specific dates to the Rule 2 example to try and make it a bit better, and I added a deadline example to TPP Rule 3 too. - Walkazo 11:13, 7 April 2011 (EDT)
That works too, my point with Rule 2 is that people seem to have a hard time applying the differences between their time and GMT. Most of the incorrect end times seem to be because people forget to convert to GMT... I think I saw a place on the wiki that listed the differences between GMT and other time zones, maybe a link to that page would help. Bop1996(Talk) 13:09, 7 April 2011 (EDT)
I think that would be a good idea, though I have one question: Why does the wiki use GMT in the first place? Mario4Ever (talk) 03:23, 8 April 2011 (EDT)
I think it's because of the time facility in Greenwich, England. They count the Earth's rotation and it's supposed to be extremely accurate. I'm not really the person to ask this, as I never cared until I came to the wiki and had to care. Bop1996(Talk) 09:12, 8 April 2011 (EDT)
No, it's because we're an International wiki, and GMT is the standard one used all over the world (hence it's the server default); we used to use EST/EDT, but that was considered too America-centric (and daylight savings time muddled the issue pretty badly). Here's the proposal that had is start using GMT. We use one time zone to regulate when voting ends so proposals don't randomly disappear all the time and confuse people; that's how it's always been done. As for people having trouble converting to GMT, it's not complicated at all: just memorize how many hours are added or removed for your time zone. For me, EST is GMT-5; the only confusing bit is when we switch to EDT, which is GMT-4, but that's why I've got my preferences set to GMT - to double-check times if I'm ever a bit unsure of myself. Daylight savings time issues aside, asking people to memorize one addition or subtraction equation is not unreasonable, and folks can just Google search "GMT" to find out their time zone's offset (the first website is a conversion page, the first image result is a map, etc.), so we shouldn't even need a page of conversions here. We could always link to one of the many Wikipedia articles dealing with time zones, tho; this one has a nice chart, for example, and this has a map, although you need to view it at full resolution in order to read it. - Walkazo 10:12, 8 April 2011 (EDT)
@Kaptain K. Rool: Yeah, I know they are part of the cast. What is the point you're trying to make. Zero777 (talk)
That they are both a part of he cast and we don't need two separate articles about the cast. Kaptain K. Rool (talk)
I was trying to make a point but his idea is better.
Is it possible for me to make changes to the proposal and to strike out everybody's vote until they revert their's for fairness? Zero777 (talk)
I'm not sure, the three day period where you are allowed to edit your proposal is up. You could ask for the proposal to be cancelled and then relist it according to how you want to change it, or you could ask a sysop what you should do... Bop1996 (talk)
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Split from Super Smash Bros. Brawl/Merge into staff sub-articles 7-0
I say we split the music staff and voice cast sections and merge them into the staff sub-articles. One reason, this article is ENORMOUS and we need to down size it a bit, and also it seems like the proposal to merge the Subspace Emissary back into the article looks like it is going to succeed and it will make the article enormous-er.
Proposer: Zero777 (talk) Deadline: May 1, 2011, 23:59 GMT
Wouldn't it be better to put the music staff with the rest of the staff? The article's current segregation and placement of those folks seems rather silly to begin with... - Walkazo 14:26, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
@Zero: You'd better change the proposal now, unless you want the proposal removed again and to re-list it... By April 32, did you mean May 2? I must've missed the universal calendar changes... Bop1996(Talk) 14:56, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
I actually changed the deadline to May 1. Using 24:00 should be perfectly fine, but if folks are going to keep changing it to 0:00 the next day (which is NOT allowed, as it messes up the nice +14 days motif), it's best to simply use 23:59. - Walkazo 15:48, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
I say we merge all of the subspace emissary levels into one article kirby9612
I'm upset with the way the merge was handled.
I've been gone from this wiki for quite a while, and I was surprised at what I found on the SSBB staff list page when I got back. I am disappointed by how the merge happened, specifically with how Walkazo handled it. This is not a "merge". This is basically just overwriting all of the work I did in compiling a list of the game's arrangers. You practically copied from the official Dojo website, which leaves out a lot of the arrangement credits. The only things you added to my original list (which is still in the page history) was the names of performers. But you also added in arrangers who were already covered in the "Music and Sound" section of the credits as they actually appear in the game on your TV screen.
For example: Kentaro Ishizaka, who was credited as one of the "Music and Sound" individuals in the credits, also arranged twelve songs, if one searches through the sound test. In the big honkin' table that was dropped on this page, Ishizaka is only listed as the "arrangement supervisor" (a term I disfavor to "arranger" or "arranged by") of two songs: "Waluigi Pinball" and "Famicon Grand Prix II: 3D Hot Rally - Title". That leaves out all his work on songs like "Corneria" and "You Call This a Utopia?!"! Then again, Ishizaka's arrangement credits were already listed by me in the "Music and Sound" section.
The original intent of the "Music Arrangement" section was to list things exactly as they were in the original, on-your-TV credits. Isn't that the point of any "/Staff" article? List the credits as they appear on screen in the same order? That's what I was trying to do with this page when I created it six months ago (with help from someone's YouTube copy of the credits). I just added in more information by my own research that made the page more useful.
In the end, I think a "merge" could be completed much better if we were to leave the "Music and Sound" section alone, and list the names in the "Music Arrangement" section in the same order that they appear in the game. List only those names, plus the performers (like James Cowan and Emily McIntosh, for example), and leave the "Music and Sound" names out of the "Music Arrangement" names. That's just my two fifty cents.
Oh! Just thought of something. The people who performed vocally on the songs should be listed under the voices, not the music arrangement credits, following the example set here: http://www.ssbwiki.com/List_of_voice_actors -Dogman15 20:19, 1 July 2011 (EDT)
wtf
My PC displays erroneously the images with some wacky and funny effects such as:
The pic of Groudon is a Trampoline.
The entire Subspace map is a soccerball, (BJAODN forward) suggesting that upon a time the entire Subspace was a soccerball. Pretty interesting.
The Kongs' emblem is Bowser. IT'S SO FREAKIN' GENIUS.
The SSBB Battlefield is Sonic. From today everyone can now battle over Sonic!
The Halberd is the Mushroomy Kingdom. Did there was a fatal merge error somewhere?!
Barrels are Wii Remotes. How can I throw my Wii Remote on the screen and assisting its transformation?
The Super Mushroom is now a Stock Ball. Wow, now I can get both an extra life and more power!
The Samurai Goroh is smoke. BREAKING NEWS!!! The Samurai Goroh has now the power to turn into colored smoke!!!
And more! The text in bold is sarcastic opinion.
--Super Famicom 64 16:59, 25 February 2012 (EST)
About 1 out of 4 times when I get a Game Over in Subspace Emissionary, the music plays before the trophies hit the ground. Could anyone explain why this is? Please?
The link to the dojo now directs you to the Smash Bros. 4 website. I think this should either be removed, or changed to one of the existing site pages. ---Skittles
Since it no longer covers Brawl, I recommend removing the link and adding a section about it to the article itself. Tacopill (talk) 18:47, 25 June 2013 (EDT)
Fun Fact: DELETE!!!!!!
When you want to delete ALL of your data, the game will ask you 3 times if you are sure.
First Time: Are you sure your want to erase data? (Erased data cannot be recovered.)
Second Time: Absoluetly sure? (No erased date can be recovered.)
Final Time: Really? (You will lose it FOREVER!)
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sugarlover (talk).
Music Links?
Something I noticed was that there were only links for a few of the songs (one or two per stage). Is this simply because the site being linked to only has those songs? If so, we could just edit in links to YouTube videos that have each song. Just seems like something to make the article a bit more user-friendly. Kathogenia (talk) 02:00, 20 January 2014 (EST)
Maybe....Ray Trace(T|C) 02:03, 20 January 2014 (EST)
Move The Subspace Emissary to a separate page
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Baby Luigi (talk) I have to agree with this proposal for a variety of reasons. One, unlike other game modes, this is a pretty damn huge game mode. It's practically its own thing and it even gets its own sections of enemies in there. Having the Subspace Emissary, a huge complex deep mode in an article that's already quite extensive enough is overkill for me. It's the same reason I made the Super Duel Mode article by itself rather than having it cluttered on the Mario Party 5 article. Coin Rush, Boost Rush, and some other modes also have their own articles too because they're quite detailed, deep, and very complex gameplay. This isn't some optional side mode like Battle Mode or Time Trials or Extras mode, it's a full on complex own thing that I feel should deserve its own article. I wouldn't completely move it to its own page, but we could leave a short section for it in the Brawl article. I think making an article focused on the Subspace Emissary is a good move and it should rightfully deserve its own page, unlike Adventure mode from Melee.
Yoshi K (talk) I have to agree with the above, because of all the other game modes that have their own page. I think The Subspace Emissary is in a similar situation as the game modes mentioned above.
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Time Turner (talk) This is the proposal that originally merged the Subspace with this article, and I agree wholeheartedly with it. The solution really shouldn't be to split the Subspace Emissary simply due to its length. Yes, it is overly long, but if the problem lies in the fact that it's long, then maybe we should try to not make it long? Besides the length, what exactly warrants for this section to be split? It's very distinctly a mode of Super Smash Bros. Brawl, which would mean that splitting it would be inconsistent (as per other proposals who merged modes). Also, the Subspace Emissary section, despite being overwhelmingly and unnecessarily long, is poorly written. There is an excellent reason for why it has that rewrite template, with lines like "On the verge of tears, while all alone," and "As Diddy stares in fear and awe," (are we writing an article or a novel?) really accentuating why it's bad. Simply put, we shouldn't just send the info off to another article; it's like we're just shoving the problem in a corner and saying, "Nope, nothing wrong here." What we should do is work to shorten, trim, and improve what's already there. Besides, if this did get split, I'd advocate for it to be deleted just because of how badly written it is.
SuperYoshiBros (talk) Per Time Turner. This is like moving the History section of Mario's page to another page because it's too long.
SeanWheeler (talk) Per Time Turner. Crossover games like Super Smash Bros. shouldn't get more special treatment than mainstream Mario games. If you want the Subspace Emissary with its own article, see Smash Wiki.
Holy constipated shit god, that plot section! Please, somebody has to reduce the writing; this is just literally too much. Once this is considered, then we can find out if there is enough information to give it a separate article. It does have its own sets of bosses and enemies, plus, a really dumb plot, though. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 23:14, 15 February 2014 (EST)
Could I cancel this proposal? Pinkie Pie (talk) 20:48, 17 February 2014 (EST)
Where are Master Hand's sounds in the sound test?--NintendoFan369 (talk) 12:25, 25 March 2014 (EDT)
The origin of Wario's victory theme in Smash Bros series: EXPLAINED
Super Smash Bros. Brawl Wario victory theme is the original track stylistically meant to match the sound/tone of WarioWare games. You should keep in mind that this jingle was created before Wario Land: Shake It actually came out or was even announced.
This melody would be repurposed for the song "Stonecavring City" in the latter game. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 93.171.13.145 (talk).
Where is an official source saying the victory theme is the original? It shouldn't be treated as a reference without confirmation, and like Ray Trace said, there's also the possibility it's the other way around since both games were developed at the same time. The interviewer in the reference on SmashWiki does claim that the fanfare is an arrangement of Shake It! (which makes me confused about the SmashWiki paragraph since it claims the opposite), but he was not involved in either game's development so I don't think this is reliable. And please sign your comments. MarioJC 11:43, October 31, 2022 (EDT)
The edvience of Stonecarving City music from Wario Land: Shake It being inspired by Wario's victory jingle in Smash Brawl is all there!
Check this link: https://archive.vgfacts.com/thread-2160.html It says that unlike everyone else's, Wario's victory flourish is completely original Untitled user (talk) 18:57, May 20, 2023 (EDT)
Template loop detected: MarioWiki:Sandbox
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Could somebody say how to unlock Dr. Mario and Luigi. YoshiFan 21:27, 4 November 2006 (EST)
For Luigi, play 800 Versus Matches. (There's another method, but it's complicated and I don't have time to explain it now.) For Dr. Mario, just beat Classic mode with Mario.Waluigi Freak 99 17:20, 28 January 2007 (EST)
Luigi is also unlockable by doing adventure mode and finishing the stage with a two in the seconds column (03:12:43). Luigi will then join the melee and kicks Mario away so he can fight you with Peach. Kill them both and Luigi's yours. But, next time, don't use the talk page for things like that on this wiki. Para YoshiWahoo! 17:27, 28 January 2007 (EST)
Rewrite
Anything still to be covered, or can the rewrite template be removed? Cobold 11:34, 14 February 2007 (EST)
food
Food is from the Kirby series! Max2 (talk) in the Kirby games Kirby could eat various foods to increase his health. IF it says SSBM we should mention Kirby.
The trophy doesn't make any mention of the Kirby series. Besides, I believe there's at least one Pokémon food in the game, so I doubt all of it came from the Kirby series. --KPH2293 19:00, 6 March 2007 (EST)
According to the guide, Food's first appearance is in SSBM. PhoenixRider
I'm just saying, some of the food (cherries, soda/syrup lookin thing) are all Kirby while others (that white and black triangle-thing) is actually Pokemon (I think, maybe the TV show...) anyway, so not all of the food is Smash Original. and, they messed up before. Max2 (talk) listening to Onett theme on loop. Yay!
Or... maybe they are just regular food from no series in particular?Knife (talk) 20:39, 6 March 2007 (EST)
Exactly! but... the Cherries and soda/syrup holder-thing are Kirby. Max2 (talk) I am currently working in Operation:Fake Isyou. see Talk:Main Page for details.
That would be my guess, Knife. I think they're just generic food. Besides, cherries were also in Super Mario Bros. 2; that doesn't prove anything. PhoenixRider
The MediaWiki software has noted that the article is too long, which may cause editing problems with some browsers. It suggests splitting the article into several sections. It would be possible splitting the level information for the adventure mode and event matches to special pages. I also propose the Marioverse Character Moves to be removed. The characters' moves can be easily seen on their corresponding pages. - Cobold
I support removing the character's move, useless.
Gofer
I feel it may be a good idea to move the special attacks to each character's respective page, under an "Attacks" section, or something of the like. --TotalSpaceshipGuy3 15:54, 8 May 2007 (EDT)
The special moves have been moved to the characters' pages. However, the article is still tagged as too long. What parts of it should be moved to special pages? (see also Special Paper Mario Pages) Event matches? - Cobold
There is no need to do anything to page. It happens to all long pages, like the Mario page. To prevent this problem, people with bad browsers should consider editing section by section.Knife (talk) 16:49, 29 July 2007 (EDT)
I agree with Knife on this one. Just edit section by section, it isn't that hard. My Bloody Valentine
Wow, didn't know how old this comment is? Of course, now I'm thinking the same way. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 03:18, 30 July 2007 (EDT)
Descriptions of Characters, Items and Stages
Currently, only the Marioverse items have a short description on this page. Shouldn't there be some kind of short description for all items, and for characters and stages, too? Their articles then can go in-depth. Something like on Super Mario Strikers was on my mind. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 09:23, 26 June 2007 (EDT)
Why does Jigglypuffs box have her japanese name? - Ultimatetoad
The images are official artwork which was most likely released on some Japanese official website. We can't edit the names now. Also look at Bowser's name (Koopa). - Cobold (talk · contribs) 09:10, 17 July 2007 (EDT)
What you see there is (if I remember right) the result of the Japanese Nintendo site's edits. We never were given a plain artwork for the secret characters. Stumpers! 03:08, 17 August 2007 (EDT)
Event Matches table
We apparently do have a MediaWiki bug in there, because the borders don't display properly. The same table looks fine when only using the Show Preview mode. Anyone have a solution? - Cobold (talk · contribs) 05:23, 9 August 2007 (EDT)
Isn't this the same thing that happened on my User Page? Well, kinda the same thing? My Bloody Valentine
There kinda the same.--Luigibros2 12:13, 25 November 2007 (EST)
New way to unlock Marth?
My friends and I were playing Super Smash when Marth suddenly came up (in VS, before Jiggs even) for no reason.
The memory was fairly new, but I think I know what happened: We got Marth by playing as all the defaults once. We played as Mario, Peach, Bowser, Yoshi, DK, Link, Zelda/Shiek, Falcon, Fox, Pika, Ness, Kirby, the Ice Climbers, and Samus.
Someone wanna test this out? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dodoman (talk).
Beating the Classic Mode with all default characters, or playing 400 VS matches.
So you didn't unlock him in one of those ways? - Cobold (talk · contribs) 07:52, 28 September 2007 (EDT)
Nopes. We had only played ten-ish matches, so I figured it was the mthod I stated above. -Dodo
It won't help us much if we don't know what caused it. Also, it sounds like a bug. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 14:28, 29 September 2007 (EDT)
Once again, the method that I stated above. If someone tried it, we'd know for sure. -User:dodoman
Wow, that's pretty neat. Probably a bug like Cobold said though, but I'll be sure to try that out. - Glitchman (talk · contribs)Glitchman
Okay, so I tried it a few times on different discs AND different Cubes (and one Wii), and it's worked each time. So, I can say that it is most definitely not a glitch. NMRodo
Why? A glitch can occur regularly and be on all discs and systems. Minus World appeared on all copies of the original Super Mario Bros. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 11:26, 23 December 2007 (EST)
Pffff, this is old new. Aside from playing a set number of VS match, you can unlock him by playing with each of the 14 starters characters at least once in VS mode, I unlocked him that way.
Blitzwing
If it's confirmed, you can add it to the section. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 13:18, 23 December 2007 (EST)
Event Articles
Umm, do you think the event matches should have their own articles? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Koopster 64 (talk).
Maybe one big article for all of them if the article gets too big? Stumpers! 15:54, 3 February 2008 (EST)
No, I don't think so. They are too minor. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 05:28, 4 February 2008 (EST)
I would agree with Stumper there. We have a List of Implied Characters about guys/creature that were only mentioned once throught the Mario series and then promplty forgotten. Since the events can sometimes feature things that are not anywhere else in the game (Dark Link for example), I think it would atleast make sense to have a list of 'em. Blitzwing (talk · gnome work)
Ehm, we do have a list of Event Matches on this very page? We already decided against creating articles on game modes (like "Classic Mode" or "Adventure Mode") because this would steal content from the pages of the games, making them superflous in the end. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 07:25, 4 February 2008 (EST)
Ah, 'K. Didn't see that list. --Blitzwing 07:30, 4 February 2008 (EST)
Stages icons
What happened to the series icons in the Stages section? --Trogga 15:45, 19 March 2008 (EDT)
I can't remember the article having them. I also don't think we should use any icons from Brawl on the Melee page. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 15:53, 19 March 2008 (EDT)
But how are we going to identify the stages' series? --Trogga 17:23, 19 March 2008 (EDT)
Is there a need for a sign? If people really don't know from what the stages are (I doubt that), they can check the stages' articles. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 17:38, 19 March 2008 (EDT)
The other lists have series identifiers. --Trogga 20:53, 19 March 2008 (EDT)
Each description of the stage in the table lists the game the stage is from, so I see no need in repeating what is already there. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 07:19, 20 March 2008 (EDT)
We could actually save some space by doing that with the characters and items, no? Stumpers! 17:15, 20 March 2008 (EDT)
Indeed we could. Would give the tables the same basic layout. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 17:21, 20 March 2008 (EDT)
Dropped Characters
I recently removed the trivia section by integrating it into the article, and that brought a bunch of source-less content to Cobold's attention. He removed it, and I just wanted to let everyone know that I have no source for it either; I was assuming that someone else would. In other words, there's nothing I can do to fix the problem, so if you believe teh information to be true, please take care of it yourself. Stumpers! 21:38, 16 April 2008 (EDT)
I don't think they should be in the article between playable characters and playable stages, which actually appear in the game. The page Beta Elements exists for that kind of content, so unless we're going to split it up, we should add the (sourced) information there, not here. There could be a shorter statement about "dropped characters" in the Trivia section, with a link to Melee's section on the Beta Elements page. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 08:40, 17 April 2008 (EDT)
Whatever works best. Hmm... I do believe this is an opportunity to hunt down some information about the game's developement and make a section about that... but I wouldn't know where to look for that kind of information. Stumpers! 17:04, 17 April 2008 (EDT)
When you say you need information about the game's development, do you mean how the game was created, who created it, when stages and characters were announced to be playable, etc.?? Glitchman (talk · contribs)
Not that in-depth in terms of revealing game elements, but more like the production schedule of the game, yeah. Like how it was created, etc. There's a little about this on the Brawl "Iwata Asks" but that's all I know of. Oh, and there's a version of the DOJO! that focused on Melee on the Japanese Nintendo website, but's in in Japanese. Stumpers! 17:23, 17 April 2008 (EDT)
OK. Well I don't know exactly where you could find that kind of info, but if you google "Super Smash Bros. Melee World", that's the website where they used to post updates on Melee, like Dojo. Then you could also see Wikipedia. Glitchman (talk · contribs)
Brawl is just an english word. I don't think a random occurance on the box, which is not done by the game's creators but by marketing experts, means anything seven years afterwards. I'd remove that trivia. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 14:47, 3 July 2008 (EDT)
I'm in the middle of making some sweeping edits to character descriptions. Character statistics (such as jumping height, weight, running speed) can generally be checked against this site. Ask me if you have any concerns, comments, and so forth. – Kamek!at the disco 15:31, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
Master Hand Glitch
Should we mention the "Master Hand Glitch" where you can play as Master Hand? Please no replys like "You can play as Master Hand?! How?!" I just want to know if we should include this and take out the Master Hand part of the debug menu in trivia. Lemmy Koopa Fan (talk)
Glitch? I thought that happens if you hack the game. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 18:21, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
I found it on SmashWiki, I tried the glitch, and it worked. I was Master Hand without hacking the game. Lemmy Koopa Fan (talk)
Hey,
do you think that the 2002 April Fools joke that Sonic and Tails were unlockable characters (for SSBM) should be mentioned in the trivia of this article? User:McAusten!·talk to me·my edits 17:59, 13 December 2011 (EST)
Ahem, guys, you are complete idiots. In my gameplay through Classic Mode, I never seen Marth at all, but I have seen Roy. I have changed the mistake, and you are welcome. Also, let me point out that Metal Link is the most common metal character in Classic Mode. SmasherLink (talk) 01:43, 23 July 2012 (EDT)SmasherLink
Since it's generally bad practice to rely on potentially opinionated written descriptions on the Mario Wiki, I was thinking that in lieu of those descriptions, we could use official descriptions of the playable characters from their [Smash] trophies, as those are the "official profiles" for each character that actually describe how they work in-game (as opposed to the non-Smash trophy, which gives a brief history lesson on each character). I was thinking we could just fit both [Smash] trophy descriptions into the playable character table, as two paragraphs. MarioComix (talk) 22:42, May 30, 2020 (EDT)
Master Hand
Did you know you can play as Master Hand using specific combination on the character select screen.The original ToadyBro (talk) 20:43, May 5, 2023 (EDT)
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All stages in the game can have their own page, according to the Importance Policy. Only info from Super Smash Bros. can be in these articles, and they must be placed in Super Smash Bros.-only categories. Remember, SSB is of secondary concern to this wiki. Mario is of primary importance. -- Son of Suns
Yes, but the Mario stage have a different look from other Mario games in this game. You didn't say anything about the images, which would be more helpful describing the stages than just words. Cobold 14:27, 10 February 2007 (EST)
Oh. Well those stages should have their own section in their respective articles (or get their own article). For example, the Peach's Castle section should have a section about SSB in the article, while the Mushroom Kingdom stage should have its own article, as the real Mushroom Kingdom is a political entity, not a level. This SSB page should probably just have links to those stage pages, instead of descriptions. The descriptions should be in the articles themselves. Images should then go in the stage articles. -- Son of Suns
Meant-to-be-in
Can someone give a source for all those characters who were meant to be in but left out? - Cobold (talk · contribs) 10:59, 12 November 2007 (EST)
King Dedede is confirmed through wikipedia. Bowser and Peach, I have no idea, but if we find Bowser, we find Peach. I don't know where the romor for Bowser and Peach is, but I know they were part of the same romour. I'll dig it up... --HyperToad 11:26, 8 December 2007 (EST)
I did here that Meowth actually was supposed to be in it. So was Mewtwo. Both removed. MegaMario9910
What's the source for the meant-to-be-in characters and the reasons for the cuts, actually? Don't cite Wikipedia, there everyone can edit, too. Beta Elements cites SmashWiki, but that's another Wiki as well. There's no source mentioned for the early voice cast, either. So, any reliable sources? By the way, Master Hand's artwork isn't from Super Smash Bros. --Grandy02 13:02, 9 December 2008 (EST)
I have added "citation needed" to several things since nobody answered. Better get reliable sources (NO wikis) or remove the info if it is false, because an article with such tags doesn't have to be featured. Also, can I remove the Kirby & The Amazing Mirror Master Hand artwork now? --Grandy02 09:14, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
List of characters
Is a complete list of the cameo characters really necessary, especially on the top of the article? We have List of Cameos for that. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 09:02, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
Such a list has been added to several articles (example). Agree with Cobold, espcially because such in-depth information shouldn't be on the top and also because it's redundant in this case. --Grandy02 13:31, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
It really doesn't make sense for the cameos in one game to be listed on two separate articles. Agree with Cobold on this one. Glitchman (talk · contribs) 12:35, 21 July 2009 (EDT)
So, can the "Characters Appearing in This Game" list just be removed? --Grandy02 16:15, 25 March 2010 (EDT)
We shouldn't get rid of the whole section, but the "Cameos and Allusions" section, I scrapped, since you can't cameo in your own series. Hello, I'm Time Turner.
I think it should go now, because every character in the list is already in another list in the article. It's simply redundant. --Grandy02 09:02, 28 April 2010 (EDT)
Delete this article?
I think we should delete this article because when you think about it, it's actually Kirby's game, not Mario. Ugozima 20:46, 13 August 2009 (EDT)
Yeah, and there's four Mario characters (If you count DK and Yoshi) and another Kirby character didn't appear until Brawl came out. The only Kirby ties are with the creator and developers excluding Kirby himself, the Dream Land stage and any Kirby items. TIMMYTIM
Just so everyone knows Metal Mario and Master Handaren't playable in super smash bros. you can only play as them with gameshark or action replay. So all those videos on how to play as them are fake.gamer2.1 (talk)
And the article says just that. Metal Mario and Master Hand aren't listed under "Playable", but under "Bosses". -
Also that goes for the fighting polygon team too. Gamer2.1
Screenshots, please.
We need more screenshots for this article. Krizzy 06:12, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Bad Grammar
I noticed that the page has had some horrible grammar for a long time. May I edit it?--MarioMaster2011 19:23, 7 July 2011 (EDT)MarioMaster2011
Of course there's no rule stating you can't. Just edit it property.
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Pit?
Was it true that Pit was meant to be one of the unlockable characters on SSB, however due to the popularity of Pokémon, Jigglypuff replaced him as a unlockable character at the end? User:McAusten!·talk to me·my edits 18:07, 13 December 2011 (EST)
Considering that there has been no response and that the only evidence I can find is that it came out after August 1999, can the date be hidden until something can collaborate this date? --Super Goku V (talk) 22:28, 9 February 2016 (EST)
I think I was about to respond, but I don't have any sources that can neither confirm nor deny it. If there isn't a source, you have to stick {{ref needed}} just to let readers know that the information is dubious. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 22:40, 9 February 2016 (EST)
Ah, thank you for responding. Based on what I can find, it definitely came out after August 4th of 1999, but dates after that get blurry quick. Currently, I would presume that the best way to confirm a date might be to find an Australian magazine that covered the game before it came out, but finding something that would help has not been going well. --Super Goku V (talk) 23:11, 10 February 2016 (EST)
Stage hazards
Regarding the stage hazards, which Pokemon were removed from in response to a recently passed proposal, I notice only a few of the stage hazards are not intrinsically linked to the Super Mario franchise. This includes Whispy Woods, Arwing, and acid. How should we go about these? Should these be listed in their respective stage descriptions too? They are all in a stage representing a different series. I could argue similar for Bumpers, but those appear in the Super Mario-themed Peach's Castle stage. Super Mario RPG (talk) 14:43, September 17, 2024 (EDT)
That inconsistency is part of why I so vehemently opposed the Pokemon proposal. There was nothing in that saying they should be removed, so they should stay - you can't add parts to a passed proposal post-facto. I'm gonna make my own proposal next week when the time is available, though. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:52, September 17, 2024 (EDT)
I'll aim to resolve the inconsistencies, then. Super Mario RPG (talk) 15:08, September 17, 2024 (EDT)
Remove the remaining non-Super Mario "stage gimmicks and hazards"
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Remove nothing 1-2-7
Following the successful proposal of removing excessive Pokemon lists to relegate into the Poke Ball and Saffron City descriptions, this left behind an inconsistency of four non-Super Mario stage hazards still being listed, as follows:
Acid, in the Planet Zebes stage (Metroid)
Arwing, in the Sector Z stage (Star Fox)
Bumper, a Super Smash Bros. object, although in a Super Mario stage
Whispy Woods, in the Dream Land stage (Kirby)
So wouldn't removing them be a straightforward reason? The four are no more intrinsically related to Super Mario than all the Pokemon that were removed. The only one I'd consider keeping is Bumper, but that's because it's in a Super Mario stage, Peach's Castle. For that reason, I'll make three options.
If this proposal passes, the mentions of acid, Arwing, and Whispy Woods will be integrated into the Planet Zebes, Sector Z, and Dream Land stage descriptions, respectively, as well as Bumper into Peach's Castle description if the option to remove all four passes.
Proposer: Super Mario RPG (talk) (banned) Deadline: October 1, 2024, 23:59 GMT
Remove all
Camwoodstock (talk) Primary option. We figure if we are going to treat the Pokemon in Saffron City this way, we might as well apply it to similar hazards.
Camwoodstock (talk) Secondary option. The Bumper is still generic enough that we can see merit in giving it increased mention when combined with its presence in a Mario-themed stage.
ThePowerPlayer (talk) Per my reasoning for splitting Meta Crystal to its own article; the Bumper is implicitly connected to a Super Mario stage in the same way that Meta Crystal's background elements connect it to Metal Mario.
Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) - They can interact with Mario characters, so that argument is flawed (especially considering that, during your Pokemon proposal, your main argument was that the entire list was non-Mario, which obviously doesn't apply here. Also, Whispy Woods has crossed over with Mario otherwise. Also, there's the deliberately forcing me to wait yet another month to make the proposal I listed above your making these proposals not 20 minutes before you did, so obviously I was going to oppose from that bit of inconsideration. But enough on that; anyone who prefers the proposal I linked should probably oppose, if they so want, as that will allow it to be proposed quicker. And of course, anyone who thinks my idea is the wrong way to go and that this proposal is better, go ahead and support.
Hewer (talk) The better way to resolve the inconsistencies caused by the Pokémon proposal is all at once in one big proposal like what Doc is planning. I'm tired of all these endless small, one-by-one Smash removal proposals. Also per Doc.
Shoey (talk) Booooo small proposal. Yay Big Proposal.
Comments
@Doc von Schmeltwick Yes, they can interact, that's true. But the point I'm making is "why remove the Pokemon but not these?" They are non-Super Mario subjects that are interactable to Super Mario fighters no more than other representatives, and on equal level as the Pokemon removed.
Also, yes, Whispy Woods did, true, but its appearance in Super Mario publication has no instrinsical or inherent connection to its appearance in Super Smash Bros. One could make the case that the 151 Pokemon were in Mario Artist as designs, so they technically "crossed over" as well. Super Mario RPG (talk) 15:23, September 17, 2024 (EDT)
Considering you know I still plan on revisiting that subject, calling precedence isn't going to work. Especially since I warned of this very eventuality in said proposal and you didn't care then. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:25, September 17, 2024 (EDT)
As for the Pokemon list, yes, I did make that argument. But this is not about this: this is about a gaping inconsistency that this proposal aims to resolve. It's not saying "remove all non-Super Mario stages, items" -- this is about resolving an inconsistency with the article in that only Pokemon gimmicks and hazards were removed but not other non-Super Mario content, which makes no sense. Super Mario RPG (talk) 15:28, September 17, 2024 (EDT)
I mean I mentioned in that proposal that it would leave random things like Bronto Burts, Arwings, and Gray Fox at a higher priority than the Pokemon with the same basic roles, which is just silly, and you didn't seem to have a problem with it then because those lists still had "some" Mario content - you were just too focused on removing the Pokemon to apparently register how that would look. (Also, considering this affects the same list and it was explicitly stated the proposal wouldn't remove anything else, this might be in violation of the same rule that keeps me from making mine... though of course, it might be perfectly fine. Depends on how the rules are interpreted.) Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:38, September 17, 2024 (EDT)
As a refresher to anyone interested, my planned alternative proposal is to give pages only to Super Mario elements, whilst covering everything else on the pages for the individual Super Smash Bros. games; unless otherwise stated, they will instead link to other wikis, be if the base series' wiki or SmashWiki. For instance, Link will remain an internal link (no pun intended) because he's crossed over otherwise, Ganondorf will link to Zeldawiki because he hasn't. Link's moves (originating from the Legend of Zelda series) will link to Zeldawiki, while Ganondorf's moves (original moves due to being based on Captain Falcon's moves) will link to Smashwiki. And as for miscellaneous details
Merge the "enemies" pages to their respective game - they're already structured like any other game's enemy tables anyway.
Merge the "Subspace Army" and "Subspace Stages" lists to each other to recreate a watered-down version of the Subspace Emissary page (to split from the Brawl page due to length and being exclusive to that campaign); it would also include a table for characters describing their role in said campaign, as well as objects/items found exclusively in it (Trophy Stands, the funny boxes, the metallic barrel cannons, etc) - once again, all except Mario-derived things will link elsewhere (mostly to Smashwiki in this case).
Section each game akin to how I had the SSB64 page as of this edit, including sections for Pokemon, Assist Trophies, Bosses, etc., and links to other wikis for subjects that we don't need pages on. Other sections can be added as needed.
Leave the lists for fighters, stages, and (series-wide) bosses alone (for now at least), as they make more sense to have a series-wide representation on here (similar to the fighters) in some capacity than the items or enemies. Also, you never know when one of them is going to cross over otherwise, like Villager, Isabelle, and Inkling suddenly joining Mario Kart, so it's good to keep that around in case a split is deemed necessary from something like that happening down the line.
Have image galleries cover everything that can reasonably be included in an image gallery for the game, regardless of origin. This includes artwork, sprites, models, screenshots, etc, for any subject - yes, including Pokemon, so that will undo that one proposal from a month ago. Just like on the game pages, the labels will link to other sites as needed.
Leave Stickers and Spirits alone, their pages are too large to merge and are fine as they are for the reasons that opposition to deleting them historically has brought up.
Include the "minigame" stages (Break the Targets, Board the Platforms, Race to the Finish, Snag Trophies, Home Run Contest, Trophy Tussle, the Melee Adventure Mode stages) in the "list of stages debuting in [game]" articles. For ones like Targets, it would just explain how it worked and then have a gallery for the different layouts rather than describing each in detail. Said minigame pages should be merged to a section in the SSB series article covering the series' minigames. The Subspace Emissary stages will get a section with a {{main}} to the stage section of the Subspace Emissary article (detailed in an above point).
Keep trophy, assist trophy, and challenge pages covering only Mario things, leave the remainder in the game gallery (fun fact: Smashwiki does not have game galleries, nor does their community want them; we can base what we could do on if other wikis do something, but not base what we cannot do from those - nothing forbids coverage from that).
I think you've linked that before on the Pokemon proposal. Super Mario RPG (talk) 21:19, September 17, 2024 (EDT)
I did. But that's been three and a half weeks or so ago and I've altered it since then, so it seemed appropriate to spell it out again to anyone who might need a refresher. ;) Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:08, September 17, 2024 (EDT)
Remove non-Super Mario "stage cameos"
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Remove nothing 2-8
Accompanying the above proposal is a proposal to remove a few "stage cameos" not linked to the Super Mario franchise. So if this proposal passes, Bronto Burt, King Dedede, Ridley, and space junk will be removed from the stage cameos section, which will then cover Super Mario cameos only. They all appear in the background and have no meaningful connection to Super Mario franchise. If Pokemon, which can actually interact with Super Mario characters (although no differently than fighters representing other series) are no longer listed as the outcome of a proposal, it definitely wouldn't make sense to list stage cameos of characters/species from non-Super Mario series and games.
Proposer: Super Mario RPG (talk) (banned) Deadline: October 1, 2024, 23:59 GMT
Support
Camwoodstock (talk) Per proposal, and our general vibe of "we should probably cut down on excess Smash content in a world with Smash Wiki in it".
Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) - No reason to cut out game sprites. Per before. (Especially since most of the things listed would later become interactable in later Smash games, sometimes as fighters... and the previous note that during your Pokemon proposal, your main argument was that the entire list was non-Mario, which obviously doesn't apply here.) Also, there's the deliberately forcing me to wait yet another month to make the proposal I listed above your making these proposals not 20 minutes before you did, so obviously I was going to oppose from that bit of inconsideration. But enough on that; anyone who prefers the proposal I linked should probably oppose, if they so want, as that will allow it to be proposed quicker. And of course, anyone who thinks my idea is the wrong way to go and that this proposal is better, go ahead and support.
Hewer (talk) Same oppose reason as the above proposal.
OmegaRuby (talk) Per Doc. I feel like it's better to see his proposal come to fruition to cover all of these mini-issues at once and wrap a little bow around the wiki's Smash coverage.
Shoey (talk) Booooo small proposal. Yay Big Proposal.
Comments
@Doc von Schmeltwick Again, this isn't a proposal about a clean sweep of all non-Super Mario content: just the stage cameos. The reason I thought to create this proposal is because stage cameos are one step below stage gimmicks, so from removing the gimmicks, it would be odd if the cameos were kept. Super Mario RPG (talk) 15:31, September 17, 2024 (EDT)
Then why did you make them as two separate proposals at the same time...? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:18, September 17, 2024 (EDT)
Because the focuses are different. This one is about stage cameos. I made another for stage gimmicks and hazards. Super Mario RPG (talk) 16:20, September 17, 2024 (EDT)
But you're comment above is acting like the other proposal has already passed when it obviously hasn't, having just been made. Imagine if one passes and one fails by a similar near-margin. Wouldn't that feel silly? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:29, September 17, 2024 (EDT)
Is there anything inherently wrong from doing the two proposals separately? If I considered proposing more features or MediaWiki extensions, let's say, I'd make the proposals separate in case there are separate arguments for each. Did you make several proposals at once before? Super Mario RPG (talk) 16:32, September 17, 2024 (EDT)
I have made up to 16 proposals at a time, but never this blatantly related. This is the kind of thing that would make more sense as a single multi-option proposal. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:33, September 17, 2024 (EDT)
Just let these two proposals run their course. It's not a big deal. Super Mario RPG (talk) 16:34, September 17, 2024 (EDT)
Easier for you to say, you're not the one being carroted along for two months XD. But I digress. I'll go ahead and see where this goes. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:09, September 17, 2024 (EDT)
@Axii Just to notify that DvS's proposal will seek to reinstate the Pokemon content as well as what this proposal is aiming to remove for consistency purposes. Super Mario RPG (talk) 15:45, September 19, 2024 (EDT)
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Could somebody say how to unlock Dr. Mario and Luigi. YoshiFan 21:27, 4 November 2006 (EST)
For Luigi, play 800 Versus Matches. (There's another method, but it's complicated and I don't have time to explain it now.) For Dr. Mario, just beat Classic mode with Mario.Waluigi Freak 99 17:20, 28 January 2007 (EST)
Luigi is also unlockable by doing adventure mode and finishing the stage with a two in the seconds column (03:12:43). Luigi will then join the melee and kicks Mario away so he can fight you with Peach. Kill them both and Luigi's yours. But, next time, don't use the talk page for things like that on this wiki. Para YoshiWahoo! 17:27, 28 January 2007 (EST)
Rewrite
Anything still to be covered, or can the rewrite template be removed? Cobold 11:34, 14 February 2007 (EST)
food
Food is from the Kirby series! Max2 (talk) in the Kirby games Kirby could eat various foods to increase his health. IF it says SSBM we should mention Kirby.
The trophy doesn't make any mention of the Kirby series. Besides, I believe there's at least one Pokémon food in the game, so I doubt all of it came from the Kirby series. --KPH2293 19:00, 6 March 2007 (EST)
According to the guide, Food's first appearance is in SSBM. PhoenixRider
I'm just saying, some of the food (cherries, soda/syrup lookin thing) are all Kirby while others (that white and black triangle-thing) is actually Pokemon (I think, maybe the TV show...) anyway, so not all of the food is Smash Original. and, they messed up before. Max2 (talk) listening to Onett theme on loop. Yay!
Or... maybe they are just regular food from no series in particular?Knife (talk) 20:39, 6 March 2007 (EST)
Exactly! but... the Cherries and soda/syrup holder-thing are Kirby. Max2 (talk) I am currently working in Operation:Fake Isyou. see Talk:Main Page for details.
That would be my guess, Knife. I think they're just generic food. Besides, cherries were also in Super Mario Bros. 2; that doesn't prove anything. PhoenixRider
The MediaWiki software has noted that the article is too long, which may cause editing problems with some browsers. It suggests splitting the article into several sections. It would be possible splitting the level information for the adventure mode and event matches to special pages. I also propose the Marioverse Character Moves to be removed. The characters' moves can be easily seen on their corresponding pages. - Cobold
I support removing the character's move, useless.
Gofer
I feel it may be a good idea to move the special attacks to each character's respective page, under an "Attacks" section, or something of the like. --TotalSpaceshipGuy3 15:54, 8 May 2007 (EDT)
The special moves have been moved to the characters' pages. However, the article is still tagged as too long. What parts of it should be moved to special pages? (see also Special Paper Mario Pages) Event matches? - Cobold
There is no need to do anything to page. It happens to all long pages, like the Mario page. To prevent this problem, people with bad browsers should consider editing section by section.Knife (talk) 16:49, 29 July 2007 (EDT)
I agree with Knife on this one. Just edit section by section, it isn't that hard. My Bloody Valentine
Wow, didn't know how old this comment is? Of course, now I'm thinking the same way. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 03:18, 30 July 2007 (EDT)
Descriptions of Characters, Items and Stages
Currently, only the Marioverse items have a short description on this page. Shouldn't there be some kind of short description for all items, and for characters and stages, too? Their articles then can go in-depth. Something like on Super Mario Strikers was on my mind. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 09:23, 26 June 2007 (EDT)
Why does Jigglypuffs box have her japanese name? - Ultimatetoad
The images are official artwork which was most likely released on some Japanese official website. We can't edit the names now. Also look at Bowser's name (Koopa). - Cobold (talk · contribs) 09:10, 17 July 2007 (EDT)
What you see there is (if I remember right) the result of the Japanese Nintendo site's edits. We never were given a plain artwork for the secret characters. Stumpers! 03:08, 17 August 2007 (EDT)
Event Matches table
We apparently do have a MediaWiki bug in there, because the borders don't display properly. The same table looks fine when only using the Show Preview mode. Anyone have a solution? - Cobold (talk · contribs) 05:23, 9 August 2007 (EDT)
Isn't this the same thing that happened on my User Page? Well, kinda the same thing? My Bloody Valentine
There kinda the same.--Luigibros2 12:13, 25 November 2007 (EST)
New way to unlock Marth?
My friends and I were playing Super Smash when Marth suddenly came up (in VS, before Jiggs even) for no reason.
The memory was fairly new, but I think I know what happened: We got Marth by playing as all the defaults once. We played as Mario, Peach, Bowser, Yoshi, DK, Link, Zelda/Shiek, Falcon, Fox, Pika, Ness, Kirby, the Ice Climbers, and Samus.
Someone wanna test this out? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dodoman (talk).
Beating the Classic Mode with all default characters, or playing 400 VS matches.
So you didn't unlock him in one of those ways? - Cobold (talk · contribs) 07:52, 28 September 2007 (EDT)
Nopes. We had only played ten-ish matches, so I figured it was the mthod I stated above. -Dodo
It won't help us much if we don't know what caused it. Also, it sounds like a bug. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 14:28, 29 September 2007 (EDT)
Once again, the method that I stated above. If someone tried it, we'd know for sure. -User:dodoman
Wow, that's pretty neat. Probably a bug like Cobold said though, but I'll be sure to try that out. - Glitchman (talk · contribs)Glitchman
Okay, so I tried it a few times on different discs AND different Cubes (and one Wii), and it's worked each time. So, I can say that it is most definitely not a glitch. NMRodo
Why? A glitch can occur regularly and be on all discs and systems. Minus World appeared on all copies of the original Super Mario Bros. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 11:26, 23 December 2007 (EST)
Pffff, this is old new. Aside from playing a set number of VS match, you can unlock him by playing with each of the 14 starters characters at least once in VS mode, I unlocked him that way.
Blitzwing
If it's confirmed, you can add it to the section. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 13:18, 23 December 2007 (EST)
Event Articles
Umm, do you think the event matches should have their own articles? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Koopster 64 (talk).
Maybe one big article for all of them if the article gets too big? Stumpers! 15:54, 3 February 2008 (EST)
No, I don't think so. They are too minor. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 05:28, 4 February 2008 (EST)
I would agree with Stumper there. We have a List of Implied Characters about guys/creature that were only mentioned once throught the Mario series and then promplty forgotten. Since the events can sometimes feature things that are not anywhere else in the game (Dark Link for example), I think it would atleast make sense to have a list of 'em. Blitzwing (talk · gnome work)
Ehm, we do have a list of Event Matches on this very page? We already decided against creating articles on game modes (like "Classic Mode" or "Adventure Mode") because this would steal content from the pages of the games, making them superflous in the end. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 07:25, 4 February 2008 (EST)
Ah, 'K. Didn't see that list. --Blitzwing 07:30, 4 February 2008 (EST)
Stages icons
What happened to the series icons in the Stages section? --Trogga 15:45, 19 March 2008 (EDT)
I can't remember the article having them. I also don't think we should use any icons from Brawl on the Melee page. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 15:53, 19 March 2008 (EDT)
But how are we going to identify the stages' series? --Trogga 17:23, 19 March 2008 (EDT)
Is there a need for a sign? If people really don't know from what the stages are (I doubt that), they can check the stages' articles. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 17:38, 19 March 2008 (EDT)
The other lists have series identifiers. --Trogga 20:53, 19 March 2008 (EDT)
Each description of the stage in the table lists the game the stage is from, so I see no need in repeating what is already there. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 07:19, 20 March 2008 (EDT)
We could actually save some space by doing that with the characters and items, no? Stumpers! 17:15, 20 March 2008 (EDT)
Indeed we could. Would give the tables the same basic layout. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 17:21, 20 March 2008 (EDT)
Dropped Characters
I recently removed the trivia section by integrating it into the article, and that brought a bunch of source-less content to Cobold's attention. He removed it, and I just wanted to let everyone know that I have no source for it either; I was assuming that someone else would. In other words, there's nothing I can do to fix the problem, so if you believe teh information to be true, please take care of it yourself. Stumpers! 21:38, 16 April 2008 (EDT)
I don't think they should be in the article between playable characters and playable stages, which actually appear in the game. The page Beta Elements exists for that kind of content, so unless we're going to split it up, we should add the (sourced) information there, not here. There could be a shorter statement about "dropped characters" in the Trivia section, with a link to Melee's section on the Beta Elements page. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 08:40, 17 April 2008 (EDT)
Whatever works best. Hmm... I do believe this is an opportunity to hunt down some information about the game's developement and make a section about that... but I wouldn't know where to look for that kind of information. Stumpers! 17:04, 17 April 2008 (EDT)
When you say you need information about the game's development, do you mean how the game was created, who created it, when stages and characters were announced to be playable, etc.?? Glitchman (talk · contribs)
Not that in-depth in terms of revealing game elements, but more like the production schedule of the game, yeah. Like how it was created, etc. There's a little about this on the Brawl "Iwata Asks" but that's all I know of. Oh, and there's a version of the DOJO! that focused on Melee on the Japanese Nintendo website, but's in in Japanese. Stumpers! 17:23, 17 April 2008 (EDT)
OK. Well I don't know exactly where you could find that kind of info, but if you google "Super Smash Bros. Melee World", that's the website where they used to post updates on Melee, like Dojo. Then you could also see Wikipedia. Glitchman (talk · contribs)
Brawl is just an english word. I don't think a random occurance on the box, which is not done by the game's creators but by marketing experts, means anything seven years afterwards. I'd remove that trivia. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 14:47, 3 July 2008 (EDT)
I'm in the middle of making some sweeping edits to character descriptions. Character statistics (such as jumping height, weight, running speed) can generally be checked against this site. Ask me if you have any concerns, comments, and so forth. – Kamek!at the disco 15:31, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
Master Hand Glitch
Should we mention the "Master Hand Glitch" where you can play as Master Hand? Please no replys like "You can play as Master Hand?! How?!" I just want to know if we should include this and take out the Master Hand part of the debug menu in trivia. Lemmy Koopa Fan (talk)
Glitch? I thought that happens if you hack the game. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 18:21, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
I found it on SmashWiki, I tried the glitch, and it worked. I was Master Hand without hacking the game. Lemmy Koopa Fan (talk)
Hey,
do you think that the 2002 April Fools joke that Sonic and Tails were unlockable characters (for SSBM) should be mentioned in the trivia of this article? User:McAusten!·talk to me·my edits 17:59, 13 December 2011 (EST)
Ahem, guys, you are complete idiots. In my gameplay through Classic Mode, I never seen Marth at all, but I have seen Roy. I have changed the mistake, and you are welcome. Also, let me point out that Metal Link is the most common metal character in Classic Mode. SmasherLink (talk) 01:43, 23 July 2012 (EDT)SmasherLink
Since it's generally bad practice to rely on potentially opinionated written descriptions on the Mario Wiki, I was thinking that in lieu of those descriptions, we could use official descriptions of the playable characters from their [Smash] trophies, as those are the "official profiles" for each character that actually describe how they work in-game (as opposed to the non-Smash trophy, which gives a brief history lesson on each character). I was thinking we could just fit both [Smash] trophy descriptions into the playable character table, as two paragraphs. MarioComix (talk) 22:42, May 30, 2020 (EDT)
Master Hand
Did you know you can play as Master Hand using specific combination on the character select screen.The original ToadyBro (talk) 20:43, May 5, 2023 (EDT)
This is a featured article!
It represents the best of the best that the Super Mario Wiki has produced. If there are any edits that would improve the article's quality even further, make them.
All stages in the game can have their own page, according to the Importance Policy. Only info from Super Smash Bros. can be in these articles, and they must be placed in Super Smash Bros.-only categories. Remember, SSB is of secondary concern to this wiki. Mario is of primary importance. -- Son of Suns
Yes, but the Mario stage have a different look from other Mario games in this game. You didn't say anything about the images, which would be more helpful describing the stages than just words. Cobold 14:27, 10 February 2007 (EST)
Oh. Well those stages should have their own section in their respective articles (or get their own article). For example, the Peach's Castle section should have a section about SSB in the article, while the Mushroom Kingdom stage should have its own article, as the real Mushroom Kingdom is a political entity, not a level. This SSB page should probably just have links to those stage pages, instead of descriptions. The descriptions should be in the articles themselves. Images should then go in the stage articles. -- Son of Suns
Meant-to-be-in
Can someone give a source for all those characters who were meant to be in but left out? - Cobold (talk · contribs) 10:59, 12 November 2007 (EST)
King Dedede is confirmed through wikipedia. Bowser and Peach, I have no idea, but if we find Bowser, we find Peach. I don't know where the romor for Bowser and Peach is, but I know they were part of the same romour. I'll dig it up... --HyperToad 11:26, 8 December 2007 (EST)
I did here that Meowth actually was supposed to be in it. So was Mewtwo. Both removed. MegaMario9910
What's the source for the meant-to-be-in characters and the reasons for the cuts, actually? Don't cite Wikipedia, there everyone can edit, too. Beta Elements cites SmashWiki, but that's another Wiki as well. There's no source mentioned for the early voice cast, either. So, any reliable sources? By the way, Master Hand's artwork isn't from Super Smash Bros. --Grandy02 13:02, 9 December 2008 (EST)
I have added "citation needed" to several things since nobody answered. Better get reliable sources (NO wikis) or remove the info if it is false, because an article with such tags doesn't have to be featured. Also, can I remove the Kirby & The Amazing Mirror Master Hand artwork now? --Grandy02 09:14, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
List of characters
Is a complete list of the cameo characters really necessary, especially on the top of the article? We have List of Cameos for that. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 09:02, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
Such a list has been added to several articles (example). Agree with Cobold, espcially because such in-depth information shouldn't be on the top and also because it's redundant in this case. --Grandy02 13:31, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
It really doesn't make sense for the cameos in one game to be listed on two separate articles. Agree with Cobold on this one. Glitchman (talk · contribs) 12:35, 21 July 2009 (EDT)
So, can the "Characters Appearing in This Game" list just be removed? --Grandy02 16:15, 25 March 2010 (EDT)
We shouldn't get rid of the whole section, but the "Cameos and Allusions" section, I scrapped, since you can't cameo in your own series. Hello, I'm Time Turner.
I think it should go now, because every character in the list is already in another list in the article. It's simply redundant. --Grandy02 09:02, 28 April 2010 (EDT)
Delete this article?
I think we should delete this article because when you think about it, it's actually Kirby's game, not Mario. Ugozima 20:46, 13 August 2009 (EDT)
Yeah, and there's four Mario characters (If you count DK and Yoshi) and another Kirby character didn't appear until Brawl came out. The only Kirby ties are with the creator and developers excluding Kirby himself, the Dream Land stage and any Kirby items. TIMMYTIM
Just so everyone knows Metal Mario and Master Handaren't playable in super smash bros. you can only play as them with gameshark or action replay. So all those videos on how to play as them are fake.gamer2.1 (talk)
And the article says just that. Metal Mario and Master Hand aren't listed under "Playable", but under "Bosses". -
Gabumon(talk) 23:30, 26 September 2009 (EDT)
Also that goes for the fighting polygon team too. Gamer2.1
Screenshots, please.
We need more screenshots for this article. Krizzy 06:12, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Bad Grammar
I noticed that the page has had some horrible grammar for a long time. May I edit it?--MarioMaster2011 19:23, 7 July 2011 (EDT)MarioMaster2011
Of course there's no rule stating you can't. Just edit it property.
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Pit?
Was it true that Pit was meant to be one of the unlockable characters on SSB, however due to the popularity of Pokémon, Jigglypuff replaced him as a unlockable character at the end? User:McAusten!·talk to me·my edits 18:07, 13 December 2011 (EST)
Considering that there has been no response and that the only evidence I can find is that it came out after August 1999, can the date be hidden until something can collaborate this date? --Super Goku V (talk) 22:28, 9 February 2016 (EST)
I think I was about to respond, but I don't have any sources that can neither confirm nor deny it. If there isn't a source, you have to stick {{ref needed}} just to let readers know that the information is dubious. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 22:40, 9 February 2016 (EST)
Ah, thank you for responding. Based on what I can find, it definitely came out after August 4th of 1999, but dates after that get blurry quick. Currently, I would presume that the best way to confirm a date might be to find an Australian magazine that covered the game before it came out, but finding something that would help has not been going well. --Super Goku V (talk) 23:11, 10 February 2016 (EST)
Stage hazards
Regarding the stage hazards, which Pokemon were removed from in response to a recently passed proposal, I notice only a few of the stage hazards are not intrinsically linked to the Super Mario franchise. This includes Whispy Woods, Arwing, and acid. How should we go about these? Should these be listed in their respective stage descriptions too? They are all in a stage representing a different series. I could argue similar for Bumpers, but those appear in the Super Mario-themed Peach's Castle stage. Super Mario RPG (talk) 14:43, September 17, 2024 (EDT)
That inconsistency is part of why I so vehemently opposed the Pokemon proposal. There was nothing in that saying they should be removed, so they should stay - you can't add parts to a passed proposal post-facto. I'm gonna make my own proposal next week when the time is available, though. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:52, September 17, 2024 (EDT)
I'll aim to resolve the inconsistencies, then. Super Mario RPG (talk) 15:08, September 17, 2024 (EDT)
Remove the remaining non-Super Mario "stage gimmicks and hazards"
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Remove nothing 1-2-7
Following the successful proposal of removing excessive Pokemon lists to relegate into the Poke Ball and Saffron City descriptions, this left behind an inconsistency of four non-Super Mario stage hazards still being listed, as follows:
Acid, in the Planet Zebes stage (Metroid)
Arwing, in the Sector Z stage (Star Fox)
Bumper, a Super Smash Bros. object, although in a Super Mario stage
Whispy Woods, in the Dream Land stage (Kirby)
So wouldn't removing them be a straightforward reason? The four are no more intrinsically related to Super Mario than all the Pokemon that were removed. The only one I'd consider keeping is Bumper, but that's because it's in a Super Mario stage, Peach's Castle. For that reason, I'll make three options.
If this proposal passes, the mentions of acid, Arwing, and Whispy Woods will be integrated into the Planet Zebes, Sector Z, and Dream Land stage descriptions, respectively, as well as Bumper into Peach's Castle description if the option to remove all four passes.
Proposer: Super Mario RPG (talk) (banned) Deadline: October 1, 2024, 23:59 GMT
Remove all
Camwoodstock (talk) Primary option. We figure if we are going to treat the Pokemon in Saffron City this way, we might as well apply it to similar hazards.
Camwoodstock (talk) Secondary option. The Bumper is still generic enough that we can see merit in giving it increased mention when combined with its presence in a Mario-themed stage.
ThePowerPlayer (talk) Per my reasoning for splitting Meta Crystal to its own article; the Bumper is implicitly connected to a Super Mario stage in the same way that Meta Crystal's background elements connect it to Metal Mario.
Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) - They can interact with Mario characters, so that argument is flawed (especially considering that, during your Pokemon proposal, your main argument was that the entire list was non-Mario, which obviously doesn't apply here. Also, Whispy Woods has crossed over with Mario otherwise. Also, there's the deliberately forcing me to wait yet another month to make the proposal I listed above your making these proposals not 20 minutes before you did, so obviously I was going to oppose from that bit of inconsideration. But enough on that; anyone who prefers the proposal I linked should probably oppose, if they so want, as that will allow it to be proposed quicker. And of course, anyone who thinks my idea is the wrong way to go and that this proposal is better, go ahead and support.
Hewer (talk) The better way to resolve the inconsistencies caused by the Pokémon proposal is all at once in one big proposal like what Doc is planning. I'm tired of all these endless small, one-by-one Smash removal proposals. Also per Doc.
Shoey (talk) Booooo small proposal. Yay Big Proposal.
Comments
@Doc von Schmeltwick Yes, they can interact, that's true. But the point I'm making is "why remove the Pokemon but not these?" They are non-Super Mario subjects that are interactable to Super Mario fighters no more than other representatives, and on equal level as the Pokemon removed.
Also, yes, Whispy Woods did, true, but its appearance in Super Mario publication has no instrinsical or inherent connection to its appearance in Super Smash Bros. One could make the case that the 151 Pokemon were in Mario Artist as designs, so they technically "crossed over" as well. Super Mario RPG (talk) 15:23, September 17, 2024 (EDT)
Considering you know I still plan on revisiting that subject, calling precedence isn't going to work. Especially since I warned of this very eventuality in said proposal and you didn't care then. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:25, September 17, 2024 (EDT)
As for the Pokemon list, yes, I did make that argument. But this is not about this: this is about a gaping inconsistency that this proposal aims to resolve. It's not saying "remove all non-Super Mario stages, items" -- this is about resolving an inconsistency with the article in that only Pokemon gimmicks and hazards were removed but not other non-Super Mario content, which makes no sense. Super Mario RPG (talk) 15:28, September 17, 2024 (EDT)
I mean I mentioned in that proposal that it would leave random things like Bronto Burts, Arwings, and Gray Fox at a higher priority than the Pokemon with the same basic roles, which is just silly, and you didn't seem to have a problem with it then because those lists still had "some" Mario content - you were just too focused on removing the Pokemon to apparently register how that would look. (Also, considering this affects the same list and it was explicitly stated the proposal wouldn't remove anything else, this might be in violation of the same rule that keeps me from making mine... though of course, it might be perfectly fine. Depends on how the rules are interpreted.) Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:38, September 17, 2024 (EDT)
As a refresher to anyone interested, my planned alternative proposal is to give pages only to Super Mario elements, whilst covering everything else on the pages for the individual Super Smash Bros. games; unless otherwise stated, they will instead link to other wikis, be if the base series' wiki or SmashWiki. For instance, Link will remain an internal link (no pun intended) because he's crossed over otherwise, Ganondorf will link to Zeldawiki because he hasn't. Link's moves (originating from the Legend of Zelda series) will link to Zeldawiki, while Ganondorf's moves (original moves due to being based on Captain Falcon's moves) will link to Smashwiki. And as for miscellaneous details
Merge the "enemies" pages to their respective game - they're already structured like any other game's enemy tables anyway.
Merge the "Subspace Army" and "Subspace Stages" lists to each other to recreate a watered-down version of the Subspace Emissary page (to split from the Brawl page due to length and being exclusive to that campaign); it would also include a table for characters describing their role in said campaign, as well as objects/items found exclusively in it (Trophy Stands, the funny boxes, the metallic barrel cannons, etc) - once again, all except Mario-derived things will link elsewhere (mostly to Smashwiki in this case).
Section each game akin to how I had the SSB64 page as of this edit, including sections for Pokemon, Assist Trophies, Bosses, etc., and links to other wikis for subjects that we don't need pages on. Other sections can be added as needed.
Leave the lists for fighters, stages, and (series-wide) bosses alone (for now at least), as they make more sense to have a series-wide representation on here (similar to the fighters) in some capacity than the items or enemies. Also, you never know when one of them is going to cross over otherwise, like Villager, Isabelle, and Inkling suddenly joining Mario Kart, so it's good to keep that around in case a split is deemed necessary from something like that happening down the line.
Have image galleries cover everything that can reasonably be included in an image gallery for the game, regardless of origin. This includes artwork, sprites, models, screenshots, etc, for any subject - yes, including Pokemon, so that will undo that one proposal from a month ago. Just like on the game pages, the labels will link to other sites as needed.
Leave Stickers and Spirits alone, their pages are too large to merge and are fine as they are for the reasons that opposition to deleting them historically has brought up.
Include the "minigame" stages (Break the Targets, Board the Platforms, Race to the Finish, Snag Trophies, Home Run Contest, Trophy Tussle, the Melee Adventure Mode stages) in the "list of stages debuting in [game]" articles. For ones like Targets, it would just explain how it worked and then have a gallery for the different layouts rather than describing each in detail. Said minigame pages should be merged to a section in the SSB series article covering the series' minigames. The Subspace Emissary stages will get a section with a {{main}} to the stage section of the Subspace Emissary article (detailed in an above point).
Keep trophy, assist trophy, and challenge pages covering only Mario things, leave the remainder in the game gallery (fun fact: Smashwiki does not have game galleries, nor does their community want them; we can base what we could do on if other wikis do something, but not base what we cannot do from those - nothing forbids coverage from that).
I think you've linked that before on the Pokemon proposal. Super Mario RPG (talk) 21:19, September 17, 2024 (EDT)
I did. But that's been three and a half weeks or so ago and I've altered it since then, so it seemed appropriate to spell it out again to anyone who might need a refresher. ;) Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:08, September 17, 2024 (EDT)
Remove non-Super Mario "stage cameos"
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Remove nothing 2-8
Accompanying the above proposal is a proposal to remove a few "stage cameos" not linked to the Super Mario franchise. So if this proposal passes, Bronto Burt, King Dedede, Ridley, and space junk will be removed from the stage cameos section, which will then cover Super Mario cameos only. They all appear in the background and have no meaningful connection to Super Mario franchise. If Pokemon, which can actually interact with Super Mario characters (although no differently than fighters representing other series) are no longer listed as the outcome of a proposal, it definitely wouldn't make sense to list stage cameos of characters/species from non-Super Mario series and games.
Proposer: Super Mario RPG (talk) (banned) Deadline: October 1, 2024, 23:59 GMT
Support
Camwoodstock (talk) Per proposal, and our general vibe of "we should probably cut down on excess Smash content in a world with Smash Wiki in it".
Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) - No reason to cut out game sprites. Per before. (Especially since most of the things listed would later become interactable in later Smash games, sometimes as fighters... and the previous note that during your Pokemon proposal, your main argument was that the entire list was non-Mario, which obviously doesn't apply here.) Also, there's the deliberately forcing me to wait yet another month to make the proposal I listed above your making these proposals not 20 minutes before you did, so obviously I was going to oppose from that bit of inconsideration. But enough on that; anyone who prefers the proposal I linked should probably oppose, if they so want, as that will allow it to be proposed quicker. And of course, anyone who thinks my idea is the wrong way to go and that this proposal is better, go ahead and support.
Hewer (talk) Same oppose reason as the above proposal.
OmegaRuby (talk) Per Doc. I feel like it's better to see his proposal come to fruition to cover all of these mini-issues at once and wrap a little bow around the wiki's Smash coverage.
Shoey (talk) Booooo small proposal. Yay Big Proposal.
Comments
@Doc von Schmeltwick Again, this isn't a proposal about a clean sweep of all non-Super Mario content: just the stage cameos. The reason I thought to create this proposal is because stage cameos are one step below stage gimmicks, so from removing the gimmicks, it would be odd if the cameos were kept. Super Mario RPG (talk) 15:31, September 17, 2024 (EDT)
Then why did you make them as two separate proposals at the same time...? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:18, September 17, 2024 (EDT)
Because the focuses are different. This one is about stage cameos. I made another for stage gimmicks and hazards. Super Mario RPG (talk) 16:20, September 17, 2024 (EDT)
But you're comment above is acting like the other proposal has already passed when it obviously hasn't, having just been made. Imagine if one passes and one fails by a similar near-margin. Wouldn't that feel silly? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:29, September 17, 2024 (EDT)
Is there anything inherently wrong from doing the two proposals separately? If I considered proposing more features or MediaWiki extensions, let's say, I'd make the proposals separate in case there are separate arguments for each. Did you make several proposals at once before? Super Mario RPG (talk) 16:32, September 17, 2024 (EDT)
I have made up to 16 proposals at a time, but never this blatantly related. This is the kind of thing that would make more sense as a single multi-option proposal. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:33, September 17, 2024 (EDT)
Just let these two proposals run their course. It's not a big deal. Super Mario RPG (talk) 16:34, September 17, 2024 (EDT)
Easier for you to say, you're not the one being carroted along for two months XD. But I digress. I'll go ahead and see where this goes. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:09, September 17, 2024 (EDT)
@Axii Just to notify that DvS's proposal will seek to reinstate the Pokemon content as well as what this proposal is aiming to remove for consistency purposes. Super Mario RPG (talk) 15:45, September 19, 2024 (EDT)
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Why Wario is a super hero if he is a very bad guy
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and this - 
now look at that, say Mario is 5'01" and tell me that doesn't sound like an insult or jab at people who are below 6 feet tall, just look at that, my calculations with heads, and the two sources I sent and tell me they didn't at the very least retcon Mario somehow being 5 feet, he's like, a little taller than a freakin' hydrant for crying out loud. Also, how is Mario being 155cm possible? I don't get it, I did all the math I could, and he's never that tall, compare him to objects and he's always shorter than 5 feet, and actually, when you pay attention, Mario's height is surprisingly consistent... with not being 5 feet, but rather, around the 3 foot mark. And with the heads thing, measuring Mario how I was told to by one of the articles "I thought that we needed a scale that was easy to understand. Users will wonder how high Mario can jump and how far he can fall. We thought that it would be easier for users to understand and relate to the world in which they actually live. Mario is a strong enough character that he fits in just fine in a realistic environment." They said for measuring his jump height, but I use that for measuring his Mario height, I compare him to the realistic people, and the realistic people happen to be 7.05 heads tall when T-Posed, I'm 7.22 heads tall, and I'm 5'05" and because of this, I must be taller than the New Donkers, and my estimate is that they're about 5'03" and I got 92cm (3'00") for Mario's height given the size in heads of myself and the New Donker, I must be taller than the New Donker, while I don't think my measurements were super efficient given I was forced to use imperial measurements because I didn't have a metric measuring tape and I don't actually know anyone who is 7.05 heads tall, but at the very least it makes more sense than saying he's 5'01" cuz statue said so, at least, that's the only source I know of that say's he's 5'01" and even then, there is a "Life Size" Mario Plush that is 48 inches, Also, I'm insulted because I'm short, I'm classified as short, and so is 5'01" because 5'05" is only like, what, 4 inches taller, 10cm taller. So yes, I'm taller, but not much, and I'm still classified as short...
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