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Musical themes that don't qualify for articles yet
Per this proposal, musical themes must appear in at least 8 pieces of Super Mario-related media, not counting appearances of the theme in retro services, to have an article created about them.
Appearances that do not count towards the article creation threshold should still be noted that within the recurring theme's article, such as appearances in retro services and non-Super Mario-related media.
Here are examples of what would and would not count towards the “8 pieces of media” threshold:
- Counts towards the threshold:
- Any form of a theme in the original game.
- Any form of a theme in a remake of the original game.
- Any form of a theme in another game.
- Any form of a theme in a remake of another game.
- Any form of a theme in any other type of Super Mario-related piece of media.
- Doesn't count towards the threshold:
- Any form of a theme in a retro service.
- Any form of a theme in a piece of non-Super Mario-related media.
All themes in green qualify for articles.
HELP: Easy places to look for reuses and arrangements: Crossover game series (Super Smash Bros.; Mario & Sonic...); Donkey Konga series; Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix; remakes, reissues and ports; established game series (Super Mario; Mario Kart...); Albums; TV/film adaptations.
Super Mario Bros. series
VS. Super Mario Bros.
- "Business-Use Mario Name Entry" (NB: On its own, not counting Ground Theme from Super Mario Bros.)
Yume Kōjō: Doki Doki Panic / Super Mario Bros. 2
- "Player Select"
- 1. Yume Kōjō: Doki Doki Panic
- 2. Super Mario Bros. 2
- 3. The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!
- 4. Super Mario All-Stars / Super Mario All-Stars + Super Mario World / Super Mario All-Stars Limited Edition
- 5. Super Mario Advance
- 6. Super Mario 3D World / Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury
- 7. Super Mario Maker 2
(Might be in BS Super Mario USA. Also, under the proposal, this should be in the template. --SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 09:30, May 10, 2024 (EDT))
- "Underground Theme"
(Might be in BS Super Mario USA. This fits the template, but only just BARELY.--SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 09:30, May 10, 2024 (EDT))
- "Boss Theme"
- 1. Yume Kōjō: Doki Doki Panic
- 2. Super Mario Bros. 2
- 3. The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!
- 4. Super Mario All-Stars
- 5. Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (Could only find in Ultimate via List of Super Smash Bros. Ultimate in-game music by series (A–M).)
- 6. Super Mario Advance
- 7. Mario vs. Donkey Kong: Mini-Land Mayhem!
- 8. Super Mario Maker 2
(Might be in BS Super Mario USA. Also, this should be in the template. --SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 09:30, May 10, 2024 (EDT))
- "Slot Machine"
- "Slot Winner"
- "Lose a Life (Super Mario Bros. 2)"
- "Game Over (Super Mario Bros. 2)"
- "World Clear (Super Mario Bros. 2)"
- "Wart Battle"
- "Ending (Super Mario Bros. 2)"
Super Mario Bros. 3
- "Fortress"
- "Map 2 World
- "Dark Land"
- 1. Super Mario Bros. 3
- 2. The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3
- 3. Mario Party
- 4. Super Mario All-Stars / Super Mario All-Stars + Super Mario World / Super Mario All-Stars Limited Edition
- 5. Super Mario Advance 4: Super Mario Bros. 3
- 6. Mario Kart DS
- 7. Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
- 8. Mario Party Superstars
- "Demon King Koopa"
- 1. Super Mario Bros. 3
- 2. Fantasic World of Super Mario Bros. 3
- 3. Super Mario All-Stars / Super Mario All-Stars + Super Mario World / Super Mario All-Stars Limited Edition
- 4. Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars
- 5. Super Mario Advance 4: Super Mario Bros. 3
- 6. Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
- 7. Super Mario RPG (Nintendo Switch)
- "Map 4 World"
- "Map 5 World"
- "Map 6 World"
- "Map 7 World"
- "Underwater Theme (Super Mario Bros. 3)"
- "Warp Zone Theme"
- "Warp Whistle Theme"
- "Victory Fanfare"
- "Restored Fanfare"
- "Clear Fanfare"
- "Lose a Life (Super Mario Bros. 3)"
- "Game Over (Super Mario Bros. 3)"
- "Ending (Super Mario Bros. 3)" (NB: On its own, not counting Ending from Super Mario Bros.)
Super Mario Land
- "Underground Theme / Easton Kingdom"
- 1. Super Mario Land / Game Boy Graffiti
- 2. Super Mario Land (album)
- 3. Super Smash Bros. Brawl
- 4. Super Mario Run
Super Mario World
- "Fortress Boss (Super Mario World)"
- "The Evil King Koopa, Bowser" (NB: On its own, not counting the "Castle" theme from Super Mario World)
- "P Switch (Super Mario World theme)"
- "Star World"
- 1. Super Mario World / Super Mario All-Stars + Super Mario World
- 2. Mario is Missing! (MS-DOS)
- 3. Mario is Missing! (SNES)
- 4. Mario's Time Machine (MS-DOS)
- 5. Super Mario World: Super Mario Advance 2
- 6. Super Smash Bros. for Wii U / Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
- 7. Mini Mario & Friends: amiibo Challenge
Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins
- "Star Maze"
Super Mario 64
- "Dire, Dire Docks"
- "Merry-Go-Round"
New Super Mario Bros.
- "Castle Theme"
- "P Switch (New Super Mario Bros. theme)"
- 1. New Super Mario Bros.
- 2. New Super Mario Bros. Wii / New Super Mario Bros. 2 / New Super Mario Bros. U / New Super Luigi U / New Super Mario Bros. U + New Super Luigi U / Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS / Super Mario Maker / Super Mario Maker for Nintendo 3DS / Super Smash Bros. Ultimate / New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe / Super Mario Maker 2
Super Mario Galaxy
- "Luma"
- "Waltz of the Boos"
- "Enter Bowser Jr.!"
New Super Mario Bros. Wii
- "Title Theme"
- "Tower"
Super Mario Maker
- "Title Theme"
- "Airship" (SMB style)
Mario Kart series
Super Mario Kart
- "Donut Plains"
- "Choco Island"
- "Koopa Beach"
- "Vanilla Lake"
- "Battle Course"
Mario Kart 64
- "Moo Moo Farm / Yoshi Valley"
- "Koopa Troopa Beach" (arrangement of Choco Island?)
- 1. Mario Kart 64
- 2. Mario Kart 7 / Mario Kart Tour
- "Kalimari Desert"
- "Toad's Turnpike"
- "Frappe Snowland / Sherbet Land"
- 1. Mario Kart 64 / Mario Kart Tour
- 2. Mario Kart DS
- 3. Mario Kart Wii
- "Choco Mountain / Block Fort / Double Deck"
- "Bowser's Castle"
- "DK's Jungle Parkway"
- 1. Mario Kart 64
- 2. Mario Kart Wii
- "Banshee Boardwalk"
- 1. Mario Kart 64
- 2. Mario Kart DS
- "Big Donut / Skyscraper"
- 1. Mario Kart 64
- 2. Mario Kart Wii / Mario Kart 7
Mario Kart: Super Circuit
- "Peach Circuit / Mario Circuit / Luigi Circuit" (NB: Mario Kart 8 / Mario Kart 8 Deluxe uses an earlier version of this theme)
- "Shy Guy Beach / Cheep-Cheep Island"
- "Riverside Park"
- "Bowser Castle" (NB: On its own, not counting Koopa's Theme from Super Mario 64)
- "Boo Lake / Broken Pier" (NB: On its own, not counting Obake Yashiki BGM from Super Mario World)
- "Cheese Land"
- "Sky Garden"
- "Sunset Wilds"
- "Snow Land"
- "Ribbon Road"
- "Yoshi Desert"
- "Lakeside Park"
- "Rainbow Road"
- 1. Mario Kart: Super Circuit (NB: On its own, not counting Rainbow Road from Super Mario Kart or Rainbow Road from Mario Kart 64)
- 2. Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS / Super Smash Bros. for Wii U / Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
- "Battle Course"
- "Peach Circuit / Mario Circuit / Luigi Circuit" (Early)
Mario Kart: Double Dash!!
- "Peach Beach / Daisy Cruiser"
- "Baby Park / Tilt-a-Kart" (NB: On its own, not counting Ground Theme from Super Mario Bros.)
- "Dry Dry Desert"
- "Mushroom Bridge / Mushroom City"
- "Waluigi Stadium / Wario Colosseum"
- "Sherbet Land"
- "DK Mountain"
- "Bowser's Castle / Luigi's Mansion"
- "Rainbow Road" (NB: On its own, not counting Rainbow Road from Super Mario Kart or Rainbow Road from Mario Kart 64)
Mario Kart Arcade GP
- "Main Menu"
- "Mario Cup" (Mario Highway / Mario Beach)
- "DK Cup" (DK Jungle / Bananan Ruins)
- "Pac-Man Cup" (Pac Mountain / Pac Labyrinth)
- "Bowser Cup" (Bowser's Castle / Castle Wall)
- "Rainbow Cup" (Rainbow Coaster / Rainbow Downhill)
- "Challenge Mode"
Mario Kart DS
- "Figure-8 Circuit / Mario Circuit"
- "Yoshi Falls"
- "Cheep Cheep Beach"
- "Luigi's Mansion"
- "Desert Hills"
- "Delfino Square"
- "Shroom Ridge"
- "DK Pass"
- 1. Mario Kart DS
- 2. Mario Kart 7 / Mario Kart Tour
- "Tick-Tock Clock"
- "Airship Fortress"
- 1. Mario Kart DS
- 2. Mario Kart 7 / Mario Kart Tour
- "Wario Stadium"
- "Peach Gardens"
- "Rainbow Road" (NB: On its own, not counting Rainbow Road from Super Mario Kart or Rainbow Road from Mario Kart 64)
- "Nintendo DS / Twilight House / Palm Shore / Tart Top"
- 1. Mario Kart DS
- 2. Mario Kart Wii / Mario Kart 7
Mario Kart Wii
- "Moo Moo Meadows"
- "Mushroom Gorge"
- "DK Summit"
- "Wario's Gold Mine"
- "Daisy Circuit"
- "Koopa Cape" (all versions)
- "Maple Treeway"
- "Grumble Volcano"
- "Dry Dry Ruins"
- 1. Mario Kart Wii / Mario Kart Tour (presumably)
- "Moonview Highway"
- "Rainbow Road" (NB: On its own, not counting Rainbow Road from Super Mario Kart)
Mario Kart 7
- "Toad Circuit / Mario Circuit"
- "Daisy Hills"
- "Cheep Cheep Lagoon" (NB: On its own, not counting Peach Beach / Daisy Cruiser from Mario Kart: Double Dash!!)
- "Shy Guy Bazaar"
- "Music Park"
- "Rock Rock Mountain"
- "Piranha Plant Slide" (NB: On its own, not counting Ground Theme or Underground Theme from Super Mario Bros.)
- "Wario Shipyard" (NB: On its own, not counting Main Theme from Wario Land: Super Mario Land 3 or Main Theme from WarioWare, Inc.: Mega Microgame$!)
- "Neo Bowser City" (NB: On its own, not counting Toad's Turnpike from Mario Kart 64 or Luigi Circuit / Mario Circuit from Mario Kart Wii)
- "DK Jungle" (NB: On its own, not counting DK Island Swing from Donkey Kong Country)
- "Rosalina's Ice World"
- "Bowser's Castle" (NB: On its own, not counting Bowser's Castle from Mario Kart: Double Dash!!)
- 1. Mario Kart 7 / Mario Kart Tour (presumably)
- "Rainbow Road" (NB: On its own, not counting Rainbow Road from Super Mario Kart or Rainbow Road from Mario Kart 64)
Mario Kart 8
- "Mario Kart Stadium"
- "Water Park"
- "Sweet Sweet Canyon"
- "Thwomp Ruins"
- "Mario Circuit"
- "Toad Harbor"
- "Twisted Mansion"
- "Shy Guy Falls"
- "Sunshine Airport"
- "Dolphin Shoals"
- "Electrodrome"
- "Mount Wario"
- "Cloudtop Cruise"
- "Bone-Dry Dunes"
- "Bowser's Castle"
- "Rainbow Road"
- "Dragon Driftway"
- "Ice Ice Outpost"
- "Wild Woods"
- "Super Bell Subway"
Mario Kart Tour + Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
- "New York Minute"
- "Tokyo Blur"
- "Paris Promenade"
- "London Loop"
- "Vancouver Velocity"
- "Los Angeles Laps"
- "Merry Mountain"
- "Berlin Byways"
- "Ninja Hideaway"
- "Sydney Sprint"
- "Singapore Speedway"
- "Amsterdam Drift"
- "Bangkok Rush"
- "Sky-High Sundae"
- "Piranha Plant Cove"
- "Yoshi's Island"
- "Athens Dash"
- "Rome Avanti"
- "Squeaky Clean Sprint"
- "Madrid Drive"
Role-playing games
Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars
- "Hello, Happy Kingdom"
- 1. Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars / Super Mario RPG Original Sound Version / Super Mario RPG (Nintendo Switch)
- 2. Super Mario Advance 4: Super Mario Bros. 3
- 3. Itadaki Street DS
- 4. Fortune Street
- 5. The Super Mario Bros. Movie
- 6. Super Mario RPG (Nintendo Switch)
Mario Discovery series
Mario is Missing! (MS-DOS)
- "Mexico City, Athens / Buenos Aires, Rio de Janeiro" (NB: On its own, not counting the "Super Star" theme from Super Mario Bros. or the Star World theme from Super Mario World)
- 1. Mario is Missing! (MS-DOS)
- 2. Mario is Missing! (SNES)
- 3. Mario's Time Machine (MS-DOS)
Mario is Missing! (NES)
- "Title Theme"
- 1. Mario is Missing! (NES) / Mario's Time Machine (NES)
- "World Map"
- 1. Mario is Missing! (NES) / Mario's Time Machine (NES)
- "Boss Battle"
- 1. Mario is Missing! (NES) / Mario's Time Machine (NES)
- "Rome, Italy / Montreal, Canada"
- 1. Mario is Missing! (NES) / Mario's Time Machine (NES)
Donkey Kong series
Donkey Kong
- "Game Kaishi"
- 1. Donkey Kong
- 2. Donkey Kong (Game Boy)
- 3. Mario Tennis
- 4. Mario vs. Donkey Kong
- 5. Mario Power Tennis
- 6. Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix
- 7. Mario vs. Donkey Kong 2: March of the Minis
- 8. Super Smash Bros. Brawl / Super Smash Bros. for Wii U
- 9. Mario vs. Donkey Kong: Mini-Land Mayhem!
- 10. Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
- 11. The Super Mario Bros. Movie
- 12. Mario vs. Donkey Kong (Nintendo Switch)
Donkey Kong Jr.
- "Stage 1"
- "Ending"
Donkey Kong Country
- "Simian Segue"
- "Bonus Room Blitz"
Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest
- "Stickerbush Symphony"
Wrecking Crew series
Wrecking Crew
- "Golden Hammer Theme"
- 1.
Appear in: Wrecking Crew / Wrecking Crew '98 / Super Smash Bros. Brawl / Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS / Super Smash Bros. for Wii U / Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Yoshi's Island series
Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
- "Story Music Box"
- "Yoshi's Island" (title theme)
Wario Land series
Wario World
- "Courtyard"
- "Greenhorn Forest"
Wario Land: Shake It!
- "Stonecarving City"
WarioWare series
WarioWare, Inc.: Mega Microgame$!
- Unnamed theme used in cutscenes and in Dr. Crygor (theme)
- 1. WarioWare, Inc.: Mega Microgame$!
- 2. WarioWare, Inc.: Mega Party Game$!
- 3. Super Smash Bros. Brawl / Super Smash Bros. for Wii U / Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (WarioWare, Inc. Medley)
- 4. WarioWare: D.I.Y. (as Dr. Crygor's theme)
- 5. WarioWare: D.I.Y. Showcase (as Dr. Crygor's theme)
- 6. WarioWare: Get It Together! (in the WarioWare microgame)
- "Pyoro"
- 1. WarioWare, Inc.: Mega Microgame$!
- 2. WarioWare: Twisted!
- 3. WarioWare: Smooth Moves
- 4. WarioWare Gold
- 5. WarioWare: Get It Together! (in the credits)
- 6. WarioWare: Move It!
Mario vs. Donkey Kong series
Mario vs. Donkey Kong
- "Mini Mario Stage"
- "Donkey Kong Jungle 3"
- "Spooky House 1"
- "Bonus Game"
Wii Sports Resort
- 1. Wii Sports Resort
- 2. Mario Kart 7
- 3. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe / Mario Kart Live: Home Circuit
- 4. Super Smash Bros. for Wii U / Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Legend of Zelda
- "Overworld Theme"
- 1. Super Smash Bros. (series) (which ones?)
- 2. Donkey Konga (series) (which ones?)
- 3. Tetris DS
- 4. Super Mario 3D World / Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury
- 5. Mario Kart 8 / Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
- 6. Tetris 99
F-Zero
Splatoon
Excitebike
Flipnote Studio
- "The Mario Drawing Song"
- 1. Flipnote Studio
- 2. Super Mario 3D Land
Other
- "Game Start (Donkey Kong Jr.)" / "Toccata and Fugue in D minor, BWV 565"
- 1. Donkey Kong Jr. / Donkey Kong/Donkey Kong Jr./Mario Bros.
- 2. Donkey Kong Jr. (Game & Watch, Table Top) / Donkey Kong Jr. (Game & Watch, Panorama Screen)
- 3. Donkey Kong Jr. (Atari 2600)
- 4. Donkey Kong Jr. (Intellivision)
- 5. Donkey Kong Jr. (Coleco Adam)
- 6. Donkey Kong Jr. (FDS) / Donkey Kong Jr. (NES) / Donkey Kong Jr. + Jr. Sansū Lesson / Donkey Kong Jr. Math / Donkey Kong Classics / Famicom Music / Nintendo FAMICOM MUSIC / Donkey Kong Jr.-e
- 7. Donkey Kong Jr. (BBC Micro) (unreleased)
- 8. Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker (Retro Ramp-Up)
- "Le Galop infernal d'Orphée aux Enfers"
- 1. Donkey Kong Jr. / Donkey Kong/Donkey Kong Jr./Mario Bros. (presumably)
- 2. Donkey Kong Jr. (Game & Watch, Table Top) / Donkey Kong Jr. (Game & Watch, Panorama Screen)
- 3. Donkey Kong Jr. (Coleco Adam)
- 4. Super Mario Land / Game Boy Graffiti / WarioWare: Get It Together! (different from the original?)
- 5. Super Mario Land (album)
- 6. Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars / Super Mario RPG Original Sound Version / Super Mario RPG (Nintendo Switch)
- 7. Super Mario RPG (Nintendo Switch)
- "Pop Goes the Weasel"
- "Go Go Mario!!"
- 1. Mario no Daibōken / Go Go Mario!! (single)
- 2. Mario & Zelda Big Band Live
Actual talking
Unnamed theme used in cutscenes and in Dr. Crygor (theme)
(Potentially more. Should the usages/remixes/... be counted here? Both Lost a Life & Game Over (theme) are counted with Ground Theme (Super Mario Bros.), so maybe. --SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 10:28, May 10, 2024 (EDT))
- My understanding is that a different version of the same theme only counts towards the threshold if it's in a different game; multiple versions in the same game only count as one (while still being notable enough for an article). The version of this theme used in the Reality stage is itself reused as Dr. Crygor (theme), but most of the instances of that theme specifically use a melody line that's not featured in the version of the theme found elsewhere in Mega Microgame$!. jan Misali (talk · contributions) 10:37, May 10, 2024 (EDT)
- I brought up Lost a Life & Game Over (theme) because they are different versions of Ground Theme (Super Mario Bros.), but they are counted separately. That's what I'm talking about. Different versions in the same game, not re-uses. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 11:48, May 10, 2024 (EDT)
- I know. I'm saying that my understanding is that those don't count towards the threshold. They count as examples of the theme, but they do not count as additional uses for the sake of reaching the threshold for notability. jan Misali (talk · contributions) 12:05, May 10, 2024 (EDT)
- Well, the top of the page itself says this for what counts: "Any form of a theme in the original game." SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 12:25, May 10, 2024 (EDT)
- It says "appear in at least 8 pieces of Super Mario-related media", not "appear at least 8 times in Super Mario-related media". jan Misali (talk · contributions) 12:30, May 10, 2024 (EDT)
- The full section itself:
- Counts towards the threshold:
- Any form of a theme in the original game.
- Any form of a theme in a remake of the original game.
- Any form of a theme in another game.
- Any form of a theme in a remake of another game.
- Any form of a theme in any other type of Super Mario-related piece of media.
- Doesn't count towards the threshold:
- Any form of a theme in a retro service.
- Any form of a theme in a piece of non-Super Mario-related media.
- Hope that clears things up. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 12:33, May 10, 2024 (EDT)
- That's not the whole section. The thing I quoted is immediately before that, the part where it says "8 pieces of media". Yes, all of these count as appearances, but if more than one of these is in the same piece of media that doesn't count as an additional piece of media. Sorry for being unclear. jan Misali (talk · contributions) 12:37, May 10, 2024 (EDT)
- Then why does it say Any form of a theme then? Is that false? Cause if it is, it would need to be removed. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 12:40, May 10, 2024 (EDT)
- It says "any form of a theme" counts towards the threshold of appearing in "8 pieces of media". As in, any form of a theme appearing in a piece of media counts for that piece of media. jan Misali (talk · contributions) 12:43, May 10, 2024 (EDT)
- Ugh, only the 1st part made sense for me. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 12:46, May 10, 2024 (EDT)
- It says "any form of a theme" counts towards the threshold of appearing in "8 pieces of media". As in, any form of a theme appearing in a piece of media counts for that piece of media. jan Misali (talk · contributions) 12:43, May 10, 2024 (EDT)
- Then why does it say Any form of a theme then? Is that false? Cause if it is, it would need to be removed. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 12:40, May 10, 2024 (EDT)
- That's not the whole section. The thing I quoted is immediately before that, the part where it says "8 pieces of media". Yes, all of these count as appearances, but if more than one of these is in the same piece of media that doesn't count as an additional piece of media. Sorry for being unclear. jan Misali (talk · contributions) 12:37, May 10, 2024 (EDT)
- It says "appear in at least 8 pieces of Super Mario-related media", not "appear at least 8 times in Super Mario-related media". jan Misali (talk · contributions) 12:30, May 10, 2024 (EDT)
- Well, the top of the page itself says this for what counts: "Any form of a theme in the original game." SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 12:25, May 10, 2024 (EDT)
- I know. I'm saying that my understanding is that those don't count towards the threshold. They count as examples of the theme, but they do not count as additional uses for the sake of reaching the threshold for notability. jan Misali (talk · contributions) 12:05, May 10, 2024 (EDT)
- I brought up Lost a Life & Game Over (theme) because they are different versions of Ground Theme (Super Mario Bros.), but they are counted separately. That's what I'm talking about. Different versions in the same game, not re-uses. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 11:48, May 10, 2024 (EDT)
Mario Land 2 motif in Wario Land?
Should that count?: https://twitter.com/PRINGLE2612/status/1617609014719975425. I would naively be inclined to say yes, but what do you think? --Conradd (talk) 10:24, May 11, 2024 (EDT)
- It sounds similar enough that it could be intentional, but the "inverted harmony" version isn't an exact match. The 3D Land theme doesn't appear to be counted as a version of the ground theme from Super Mario Bros. 3, so I don't think a song being intentionally somewhat similar (but not quite the same) is enough. jan Misali (talk · contributions) 10:32, May 11, 2024 (EDT)
- I can give an analogy. When I saw a few SMB movie trailers (2020, not the old one), the end would play a version of the SMB ground theme, but it wasn't exact. It had an ending, which the OG version didn't. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 12:48, May 11, 2024 (EDT)
Super Mario Land Ending & Mario Kart: Double Dash!! Rainbow Road
Probably a coincidence, but fun nonetheless.:
- First, the original from Super Mario Land:
- Then, the arrangement from the Super Mario Land album:
- And finally, the Rainbow Road theme from Mario Kart: Double Dash!!:
--Conradd (talk) 09:12, May 12, 2024 (EDT)
- I can definitely hear the similarities. I can also hear similarities between the OG ending and the Ground Theme from Super Mario Bros. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 09:18, May 13, 2024 (EDT)
Composers subsection
Lately, I've had an idea. How do you guys feel about adding a Composers subsection in the Recurring themes template? The idea is to have dedicated articles about Mario composers, with breakdowns/analyses on how they've composed their music over the years, their habits, the music concepts they've put on the table, etc...etc... You know... what makes their music theirs and not someone else's. To gives you an idea:
| Recurring themes |
|---|
| usual stuff... |
| Composers |
| Grant Kirkhope • Takashi Koiwa • Koji Kondo • Naoto Kubo • Takashi Kouga • Rei Kondoh... (you get the idea) |
--Conradd (talk) 16:34, May 13, 2024 (EDT)
- Yeah, that would be fine with me. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 08:42, May 14, 2024 (EDT)
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This talk page section contains an unresolved talk page proposal. Please try to help and resolve the issue by voting or leaving a comment. |
Current time: Sunday, November 3, 2024, 10:39 GMT
Proposer: Conradd (talk)
Deadline: May 28, 2024, 23:59 GMT
Support
- Conradd (talk) per proposal.
- SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) Per proposal & @Conradd.
Oppose
- Hewer (talk) We already have Template:People, so this is redundant and also kinda off-topic for the themes navbox. Should we include game developers in the games navbox, for instance?
- JanMisali (talk) Per Hewer. Seems redundant and off-topic.
Comments
Would the composers be recurring as well, or is it just having composers in general be included? Because if it's the latter, then I don't see how that would fit on a nav template called Recurring themes - especially if the composer only worked on one game. Might as well introduce a separate nav template for composers, which would be redundant given that {{People}} already has a subsection for composers and sound engineers. 
rend (talk) (edits) 13:13, May 14, 2024 (EDT)
- Good point. @Conradd? Anything to answer this question? SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 13:45, May 14, 2024 (EDT)
@Hewer I'm not seeing any redundancy here. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 14:09, May 14, 2024 (EDT)
- Template:People has a whole section for "Composers and sound engineers". Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 14:15, May 14, 2024 (EDT)
- To quote from the original post, "The idea is to have dedicated articles about Mario composers, with breakdowns/analyses on how they've composed their music over the years, their habits, the music concepts they've put on the table, etc...etc... You know... what makes their music theirs and not someone else's." SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 14:17, May 14, 2024 (EDT)
- Well, we already do have dedicated articles about those composers, and there already is a navigational template that has a directory of those articles. jan Misali (talk · contributions) 14:22, May 14, 2024 (EDT)
- But do those articles have anything listed in that quote I put? SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 14:25, May 14, 2024 (EDT)
- Well, the thing is, the ideas Conradd had in mind for these composer pages could simply be added on the already existing articles without the need to unnecessarily add all the composers on the Themes template. In fact, if the idea was to create dedicated articles for these composers, then this proposal to add them to this template is not even necessary? It's merely tangential to Conradd's idea and only seems to have been made because a nav template for composers is useful. But given this concept-turned proposal despite {{People}} already including composers, and the fact that Conradd seems to speak as if not a single composer has a dedicated article yet, speaks to me that, while their ideas for these articles are good, Conradd had done some poorly executed research - if any - on the wiki to come to this conclusion. All you had to do was look up Koji Kondo in the wiki's search engine. rend (talk) (edits) 15:08, May 14, 2024 (EDT)
- (shrug) Well, I don't really know anymore, but I'm still supporting. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 15:11, May 14, 2024 (EDT)
- Well, the thing is, the ideas Conradd had in mind for these composer pages could simply be added on the already existing articles without the need to unnecessarily add all the composers on the Themes template. In fact, if the idea was to create dedicated articles for these composers, then this proposal to add them to this template is not even necessary? It's merely tangential to Conradd's idea and only seems to have been made because a nav template for composers is useful. But given this concept-turned proposal despite {{People}} already including composers, and the fact that Conradd seems to speak as if not a single composer has a dedicated article yet, speaks to me that, while their ideas for these articles are good, Conradd had done some poorly executed research - if any - on the wiki to come to this conclusion. All you had to do was look up Koji Kondo in the wiki's search engine.
- But do those articles have anything listed in that quote I put? SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 14:25, May 14, 2024 (EDT)
- Well, we already do have dedicated articles about those composers, and there already is a navigational template that has a directory of those articles. jan Misali (talk · contributions) 14:22, May 14, 2024 (EDT)
- To quote from the original post, "The idea is to have dedicated articles about Mario composers, with breakdowns/analyses on how they've composed their music over the years, their habits, the music concepts they've put on the table, etc...etc... You know... what makes their music theirs and not someone else's." SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 14:17, May 14, 2024 (EDT)
