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I love those Pikmin

I'm PopitTart. I'm more of a casual here. My focus is on Pikipedia under the same username.

Proposal Draft

When going through the wiki, I often come across pages like Fwoosh that have infoboxes showing their first appearance in a game, and their latest appearance in... a port or remake of that game. Yes, Super Mario 3D All-Stars may literally be the latest release to feature it, but I feel like this misses the point of the inbobox entries. In my mind, it gives a quick look at the history of the subject. Bull's-Eye Blaster being introduced in Super Mario Bros. 3 and appearing in Super Mario Bros. Wonder quickly gives the jist that this is a historic subject that continues to see use today. Meanwhile, Bob-omb Buddy's appearances being Super Mario 64 and Super Mario 3D All-Stars just tells me that it was in 64, despite the extensive history that they actually have.

To remedy this, I propose that these infoboxes should distinguish when the latest appearance is in a reissue. When it is, the box will be split to have the reissue game displayed alongside the subject's most recent original appearance, in a fashion much like non-Super Mario characters list both their latest overall appearance and latest Super Mario appearance. This would have some caveats and nuances.

A reissue should only be noted as such if the subject also appeared in the original game. Triangular Block does not appear in Super Mario Bros. 3, so Super Mario Advance 4 is an original appearance.
Similarly, If a subject appears in new content within a reissue, then the reissue constitutes a new appearance. This would apply to Blockstepper as it appears in Bowser's Fury.
If a subject only appears in a game and its own reissue, then no note is necessary. The original game does not need to be listed twice, much like subjects that are only in one game.

Proposer: PopitTart (talk)
Deadline: N/A

Support: SM64 is not a new game

PopitTart (talk) Per proposal.

Oppose: The latest appearance is the latest appearance

Comments Deluxe HD (Nintendo Switch)

Proposal 2 Draft

The wiki currently recognizes only a Yoshi's Island series, to which Yoshi's Story, Yoshi's Woolly World, and the other platformers without "Island" in their names are merely related to, but not actually part of the same series. I think this is a pedantic view of the Yoshi games, and it's inconsistent with how the wider Super Mario games are treated.

Imagine if the wiki had a page called Super Mario Bros. (series) instead of the actual Super Mario (series) page. It would only cover the 2D platformers which have "Super Mario Bros." in their titles. Everything else is just games in Super Mario (franchise). That would be a bit silly, right? Just because they lack the word "Bros.", doesn't mean Super Mario World, Super Mario 64, and the rest are any less significant as Mario platformers.

Well, that's how Yoshi games are treated. Yoshi's Woolly World clearly takes a lot from Yoshi's Island, including but not limited to: a structure consisting of six worlds, each with 8 levels, the fourth and eighth of each being a fortress and castle respectively; the Flutter Jump, Ground Pound, and Egg Throw moves; Smiley Flower, Egg Block, Winged Cloud objects in levels; Shy Guy, Tap-Tap, and Burt enemies; I could go on for a long while. So why aren't the part of the same series in the wiki's eyes? Because Baby Mario isn't there? I think that's a quite small thing to be stuck on considering all the other ways these 2D platformers are comparable. I recently edited Template:Yoshi forms to categorize the various forms by source, and having forms from Super Mario Run and Super Mario Galaxy 2 link to Super Mario (series) while forms from Yoshi's New Island and Yoshi's Woolly World link to Yoshi (franchise) seems just plain inconsistent. I should also make note of this official ad for Yoshi's Woolly World that showcases all the Yoshi's Island games and Yoshi's Story as part of the game's history.

I propose that Yoshi's Island (series) be dismantled and turned into Yoshi (series). It would consist of the following games:

Yoshi Topsy-Turvy and Yoshi Touch & Go are... edge cases. They're certainly closer to these games than they are to Yoshi's Safari, but are still somewhat distinct, and particularly not included in the aformentioned Woolly World ad. I think they should count as much as Super Mario Run is a mainline Super Mario game, but I can see both sides.

Wording around the wiki would also be changed to match this perspective. There would no longer be recognition of a specific Yoshi's Island series, instead described more like the Super Mario Galaxy games are.

Proposer: PopitTart (talk)
Deadline: N/A, 23:59 GMT

Support: Replace with Yoshi (series) and consider Topsy-Turvy and Touch & Go to be spinoffs

PopitTart (talk) Second choice, Per proposal.

Support: Replace with Yoshi (series) and consider Topsy-Turvy and Touch & Go to be mainline

PopitTart (talk) First choice, Per proposal.

Oppose: Keep Yoshi's Island (series)

Yoshi's Comment World

Navbox splitting

Extra Yoshi Table

Non games

Key
	Playable character	Rideable mount	Non-playable character

Media	Green	Red	Blue	Yellow	Pink	Light-Blue
colors for copypasting
Hot Wheels Mario Kart
LEGO Super Mario	^{[a 1]}	^{[a 1]}	^{[a 1]}	^{[a 1]}	^{[a 1]}	^{[a 1]}
Yoshi's Adventure
The Super Mario Bros. Movie

Notes

^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f Introduced in an update after release.

Derived Names

Preliminary list of possible derived name discussions to be had.

Note for anyone updating these links: Feel free to delete the entry from the list if it makes the derivation obsolete!

Current discussion open

Probably worth changing as-is?

Confident but to be discussed

uh oh, name overlap?

Hesitant, discuss

Shy Guy Hell

Vampire Shy Guy/Vampire Guy
Skull Shy Guy/Skull Guy
Juggling Shy Guy/Juggling Guy
Bazooka Shy Guy/Bazooka Guy
Acorn Shy Guy/Acorn Guy
Burner Shy Guy/Burner Guy - a German name of Flame Guy is listed on the page.
Submarine Shy Guy/Submarine Guy
Fly Heyho - there already are official Fly Guys and Flying Shy Guys
Rush Heyho - is rush an established prefix?
Zombie Debuho - Zombie Heyho is Zombie Guy, Debuho is Fat Guy, no way to decide which would get priority.
Relay Heihō - name suggests Relay Shy Guy or Relay Guy, but is actually a Boo Guy.

[dlc-1] ^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f Introduced in an update after release.

[a 1]

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 ====Comments Deluxe HD (Nintendo Switch)====
+==Proposal 2 Draft==
+The wiki currently recognizes only a ''Yoshi's Island'' series, to which ''[[Yoshi's Story]]'', ''[[Yoshi's Woolly World]]'', and the other platformers without "Island" in their names are merely related to, but not actually part of the same series. I think this is a pedantic view of the Yoshi games, and it's inconsistent with how the wider Super Mario games are treated.
+Imagine if the wiki had a page called {{Fake link|Super Mario Bros. (series)}} instead of the actual [[Super Mario (series)]] page. It would only cover the 2D platformers which have "Super Mario Bros." in their titles. Everything else is just games in [[Super Mario (franchise)]]. That would be a bit silly, right? Just because they lack the word "Bros.", doesn't mean ''[[Super Mario World]]'', ''[[Super Mario 64]]'', and the rest are any ''less'' significant as Mario platformers.
+Well, that's how Yoshi games are treated. ''Yoshi's Woolly World'' clearly takes a '''''lot''''' from ''Yoshi's Island'', including but not limited to: a structure consisting of six worlds, each with 8 levels, the fourth and eighth of each being a fortress and castle respectively; the [[Flutter Jump]], [[Ground Pound]], and [[Egg Throw]] moves; [[Smiley Flower]], [[Egg Block]], [[Winged Cloud]] objects in levels; [[Shy Guy]], [[Tap-Tap]], and [[Burt]] enemies; I could go on for a long while. So why aren't the part of the same series in the wiki's eyes? Because Baby Mario isn't there? I think that's a quite small thing to be stuck on considering all the other ways these 2D platformers are comparable. I recently edited [[Template:Yoshi forms]] to categorize the various forms by source, and having forms from ''Super Mario Run'' and ''Super Mario Galaxy 2'' link to [[Super Mario (series)]] while forms from ''Yoshi's New Island'' and ''Yoshi's Woolly World'' link to [[Yoshi (franchise)]] seems just plain inconsistent. I should also make note of [https://youtu.be/3ZXxOb6S6s0?si=F-hT7CPTYJ1Vbm9e this official ad for ''Yoshi's Woolly World''] that showcases all the ''Yoshi's Island'' games and ''Yoshi's Story'' as part of the game's history.
+I propose that [[Yoshi's Island (series)]] be dismantled and turned into {{Fake link|Yoshi (series)}}. It would consist of the following games:
+*''[[Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island]]''
+*''[[Yoshi's Story]]''
+*''[[Yoshi's Island DS]]''
+*''[[Yoshi's New Island]]''
+*''[[Yoshi's Woolly World]]''
+*''[[Yoshi's Crafted World]]''
+''[[Yoshi Topsy-Turvy]]'' and ''[[Yoshi Touch & Go]]'' are... edge cases. They're certainly closer to these games than they are to ''[[Yoshi's Safari]]'', but are still somewhat distinct, and particularly not included in the aformentioned ''Woolly World'' ad. I think they should count as much as ''[[Super Mario Run]]'' is a mainline ''Super Mario'' game, but I can see both sides.
+Wording around the wiki would also be changed to match this perspective. There would no longer be recognition of a specific ''Yoshi's Island'' series, instead described more like the ''Super Mario Galaxy'' games are.
+'''Proposer''': {{User|PopitTart}}<br>
+'''Deadline''': N/A, 23:59 GMT
+====Support: Replace with ''Yoshi'' (series) and consider ''Topsy-Turvy'' and ''Touch & Go'' to be spinoffs====
+#{{User|PopitTart}} Second choice, Per proposal.
+====Support: Replace with ''Yoshi'' (series) and consider ''Topsy-Turvy'' and ''Touch & Go'' to be mainline====
+#{{User|PopitTart}} First choice, Per proposal.
+====Oppose: Keep ''Yoshi's Island'' (series)====
+====Yoshi's Comment World====
 ==Navbox splitting==
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 |[[Gallery:Bowser's Fury|Gallery]]
 |}
+==Extra Yoshi Table==
+Non games
+{|class="wikitable"
+|-
+!Key
+![[File:SMW2YI - Yoshi Egg.png|16px]]||[[File:Super Star.PNG|16px]]||[[File:SMW2 Wingless Cloud.png|16px]]
+|-
+!
+|Playable character||Rideable mount||Non-playable character
+|}
+{|class="wikitable sortable"style="border-collapse:collapse; text-align:center;"
+|-
+!Media||style="width:50px"|Green||style="width:50px"|Red||style="width:50px"|Blue||style="width:50px"|Yellow||style="width:50px"|Pink||style="width:50px"|Light-Blue||style="width:50px"|Purple||style="width:50px"|Orange||style="width:50px"|Black||style="width:50px"|White||Notes
+|-
+! colors for copypasting
+|style="background:#df8;--darkbg:#340"|
+|style="background:#d88;--darkbg:#722"|
+|style="background:#abf;--darkbg:#015"|
+|style="background:#ffa;--darkbg:#770"|
+|style="background:#fbf;--darkbg:#707"|
+|style="background:#adf;--darkbg:#066"|
+|style="background:#c9f;--darkbg:#307"|
+|style="background:#fc8;--darkbg:#950"|
+|style="background:#888;--darkbg:#222"|
+|style="background:#eee;--darkbg:#888"|
+|
+|-
+! [[Hot Wheels]] ''Mario Kart''
+|style="background:#df8;--darkbg:#340"|[[File:SMW2YI - Yoshi Egg.png|16px]]
+|style="background:#d88;--darkbg:#722"|[[File:SMW2YI - Yoshi Egg.png|16px]]
+|style="background:#abf;--darkbg:#015"|[[File:SMW2YI - Yoshi Egg.png|16px]]
+|
+|
+|style="background:#adf;--darkbg:#066"|[[File:SMW2YI - Yoshi Egg.png|16px]]
+|
+|style="background:#fc8;--darkbg:#950"|[[File:SMW2YI - Yoshi Egg.png|16px]]
+|style="background:#888;--darkbg:#222"|[[File:SMW2YI - Yoshi Egg.png|16px]]
+|
+|
+|-
+!''[[LEGO Super Mario]]''
+|style="background:#df8;--darkbg:#340"|[[File:SMW2 Wingless Cloud.png|16px]]<ref group="a" name="dlc">Introduced in an update after release.</ref>
+|style="background:#d88;--darkbg:#722"|[[File:SMW2 Wingless Cloud.png|16px]]<ref group="a" name="dlc"/>
+|style="background:#abf;--darkbg:#015"|[[File:SMW2 Wingless Cloud.png|16px]]<ref group="a" name="dlc"/>
+|style="background:#ffa;--darkbg:#770"|[[File:SMW2 Wingless Cloud.png|16px]]<ref group="a" name="dlc"/>
+|style="background:#fbf;--darkbg:#707"|[[File:SMW2 Wingless Cloud.png|16px]]<ref group="a" name="dlc"/>
+|style="background:#adf;--darkbg:#066"|[[File:SMW2 Wingless Cloud.png|16px]]<ref group="a" name="dlc"/>
+|
+|
+|
+|
+|
+|-
+! ''[[Yoshi's Adventure]]''
+|style="background:#df8;--darkbg:#340"|[[File:Super Star.PNG|16px]][[File:SMW2 Wingless Cloud.png|16px]]
+|style="background:#d88;--darkbg:#722"|[[File:Super Star.PNG|16px]]
+|style="background:#abf;--darkbg:#015"|[[File:SMW2 Wingless Cloud.png|16px]]
+|style="background:#ffa;--darkbg:#770"|[[File:Super Star.PNG|16px]][[File:SMW2 Wingless Cloud.png|16px]]
+|style="background:#fbf;--darkbg:#707"|[[File:Super Star.PNG|16px]][[File:SMW2 Wingless Cloud.png|16px]]
+|style="background:#adf;--darkbg:#066"|[[File:Super Star.PNG|16px]]
+|style="background:#c9f;--darkbg:#307"|[[File:Super Star.PNG|16px]]
+|style="background:#fc8;--darkbg:#950"|[[File:Super Star.PNG|16px]][[File:SMW2 Wingless Cloud.png|16px]]
+|
+|
+|
+|-
+! ''[[The Super Mario Bros. Movie]]''
+|
+|style="background:#d88;--darkbg:#722"|[[File:SMW2 Wingless Cloud.png|16px]]
+|
+|style="background:#ffa;--darkbg:#770"|[[File:SMW2 Wingless Cloud.png|16px]]
+|style="background:#fbf;--darkbg:#707"|[[File:SMW2 Wingless Cloud.png|16px]]
+|style="background:#adf;--darkbg:#066"|[[File:SMW2 Wingless Cloud.png|16px]]
+|
+|
+|style="background:#888;--darkbg:#222"|[[File:SMW2 Wingless Cloud.png|16px]]
+|
+|
+|-
+|}
+===Notes===
+<references group="a" />
 ==Derived Names==

Nintendo Entertainment System games
Super Mario franchise	Donkey Kong (1986) • Mario Bros. (1986) • Pinball (1985) • Golf (1986) • Wrecking Crew (1985) • Super Mario Bros. (1985) • Super Mario Bros. 2 (1988) • Super Mario Bros. 3 (1988) • Dr. Mario (1990) • NES Open Tournament Golf (1991) • Mario is Missing! (1993) • Mario's Time Machine (1994)
Donkey Kong franchise	Donkey Kong (1986) • Donkey Kong Jr. (1986) • Donkey Kong Jr. Math (1986) • Donkey Kong 3 (1986) • Donkey Kong Classics (1988)
Yoshi franchise	Yoshi (1992) • Yoshi's Cookie (1993)
Wario franchise	Wario's Woods (1994)
Miscellaneous	Nintendo World Championships 1990 (1990) • Nintendo Campus Challenge (1991)

Family Computer games
Super Mario franchise	Donkey Kong (1983) • Mario Bros. (1983) • Pinball (1984) • Golf (1984) • Family BASIC (1984) • Family BASIC V3 (1985) • Wrecking Crew (1985) • Super Mario Bros. (1985) • Super Mario Bros. 2‡ (1986) • Super Mario Bros. 3 (1988) • Dr. Mario (1990) • NES Open Tournament Golf (1991) • Super Mario USA (1992)
Donkey Kong franchise	Donkey Kong (1983) • Donkey Kong Jr. (1983) • Donkey Kong Jr. + Jr. Sansū Lesson (1983) • Donkey Kong Jr. Math (1983) • Donkey Kong 3 (1984)
Yoshi franchise	Yoshi (1991) • Yoshi's Cookie (1992)
Wario franchise	Wario's Woods (1994)
Family Computer Disk System	Golf (1986) • Super Mario Bros. (1986) • Super Mario Bros. 2‡ (1986) • I am a teacher: Super Mario Sweater‡ (1986) • All Night Nippon: Super Mario Bros.‡ (1986) • Golf: Japan Course‡ (1987) • Golf: U.S. Course‡ (1987) • Yume Kōjō: Doki Doki Panic‡ (1987) • Famicom Grand Prix: F1 Race‡ (1987) • Donkey Kong^ (1988) • Famicom Grand Prix II: 3D Hot Rally‡ (1988) • Donkey Kong Jr.^ (1988) • Mario Bros. Returns^ (1988) • Wrecking Crew^ (1989) • Pinball^ (1989)
‡ Disk System only ^ Disk Writer only

Super Mario Bros. / Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels / Super Mario Bros. Deluxe
Playable characters		Mario • Luigi
Forms		Regular Mario • Super Mario • Fiery Mario • Invincible Mario
Non-playable characters		Princess Toadstool • Mushroom retainers • Mushroom King • Miyuki^b • Takaaki^b • Noritake^b • KYON²^b • Takeshi^b • Matchan^b • Hidechan^b • Worlds A-C human^b • Boo^c • Yoshi^c
Enemies		Bloober • Bullet Bill • Buzzy Beetle • Cheep-cheep • Enemy clone^d • Hammer Brother • Koopa Paratroopa • Koopa Troopa • Lakitu • Little Goomba • OkaP^b • Pakkun OkaP^b • Piranha plant • Podoboo • Spiny • Spiny's egg
Obstacles		Current • Fire-Bar • Koopa's fire • Lava • Pit • Spike Trap^c • Turtle Cannon
Bosses		Fake Bowser • Bowser • Bowser's Brother^a
Items and power-ups		1 up mushroom • Buzzy shell • Coin • Fire Flower • Fireball • Koopa shell • Hiranya^b • Magic Mushroom • Poisonous Mushroom^a • Red Coin^c • Starman • Yoshi Egg^c
Objects		? block • 3-2-1 Block^c • Ax • Balance Lift • Beanstalk • Brick • Coral • Door^a • Dotted-Line Block^c • Face Block^c • Flagpole • Fireworks • Flimsy Lift • Horsehair plant • Island • Jumping board • Lift • Mentama Mark^b • Pipe • POW Block^d • Small cloud • Stairblock • Super Mushroom • Super Spring^a • Water • Wind^a
Locations	Worlds in Super Mario Bros.	World 1 • World 2 • World 3 • World 4 • World 5 • World 6 • World 7 • World 8
	Worlds in The Lost Levels	World 1 • World 2 • World 3 • World 4 • World 5 • World 6 • World 7 • World 8 • World 9 • World A • World B • World C • World D
	Other	Mushroom Kingdom • Bowser's Castle
Moves		Crouch • Dash • Jump • Kick • Stomp • Swim
Gameplay elements		Coin Heaven • Extra life • Game Over • Hard Mode • Minus World • Point • Sub-area • Time Limit • Warp Zone
Music compositions		"Ground BGM" • "Underground BGM" • "Underwater BGM" • "Castle BGM" • "Invincibility BGM"
Rereleases and remakes		All Night Nippon: Super Mario Bros. • BS Super Mario Collection • Game & Watch: Super Mario Bros. • Super Mario All-Stars (+ Super Mario World · Limited Edition) • Super Mario Bros. Special • VS. Super Mario Bros.
Further info		Gallery (The Lost Levels · Deluxe) • Glitches (The Lost Levels) • How to win at Super Mario Bros. • Media • Pre-release and unused content • References in later media • Staff (Deluxe) • Super Mario Bros. 25th Anniversary • Super Mario Bros. 30th Anniversary • Super Mario Bros. 35th Anniversary • Super Mario Bros.: Mario Syndrome • Super Mario Bros.: Peach-hime Kyūshutsu Dai Sakusen! • Super Mario World
^a Introduced in Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels ^b Exclusive to All Night Nippon: Super Mario Bros. ^c Exclusive to Super Mario Bros. Deluxe ^d Exclusive to Super Mario Bros. 35

Super Mario Bros. 35
Playable characters		Mario • Luigi
Forms		Regular Mario • Super Mario • Fire Mario • Invincible Mario
Enemies		Bloober • Bullet Bill • Buzzy Beetle • Cheep-cheep • Enemy clone • Hammer Bro • Koopa Paratroopa • Koopa Troopa • Lakitu • Goomba • Piranha plant • Lava Bubble • Spiny • Spiny Egg
Obstacles		Current • Fire Bar • Bowser's Flame • Lava • Pit • Bill Blaster
Bosses		Fake Bowser • Bowser
Items and power-ups		1-Up Mushroom • Buzzy Shell • Coin • Fire Flower • Fireball • Koopa Shell • Super Mushroom • Super Star
Objects		? Block • Axe • Scale Lift • Vine • Brick Block • Coral • Goal Pole • Fireworks • Flimsy Lift • Horsehair plant • Island • Trampoline • Lift • Warp Pipe • POW Block • Cloud Block • Hard Block • Mushroom Platform • Water
Locations	Worlds	World 1 • World 2 • World 3 • World 4 • World 5 • World 6 • World 7 • World 8
Locations	Other	Mushroom Kingdom • Bowser's Castle
Moves		Crouch • Dash • Jump • Kick • Stomp • Swim
Gameplay elements		Coin Heaven • Sub-area • Time Limit • Warp Zone
Music compositions		"Ground BGM" • "Underground BGM" • "Underwater BGM" • "Castle BGM" • "Invincibility BGM"