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I love those Pikmin

I'm PopitTart. I'm more of a casual here. My focus is on Pikipedia under the same username.

Proposal Draft

When going through the wiki, I often come across pages like Fwoosh that have infoboxes showing their first appearance in a game, and their latest appearance in... a port or remake of that game. Yes, Super Mario 3D All-Stars may literally be the latest release to feature it, but I feel like this misses the point of the inbobox entries. In my mind, it gives a quick look at the history of the subject. Bull's-Eye Blaster being introduced in Super Mario Bros. 3 and appearing in Super Mario Bros. Wonder quickly gives the jist that this is a historic subject that continues to see use today. Meanwhile, Bob-omb Buddy's appearances being Super Mario 64 and Super Mario 3D All-Stars just tells me that it was in 64, despite the extensive history that they actually have.

To remedy this, I propose that these infoboxes should distinguish when the latest appearance is in a reissue. When it is, the box will be split to have the reissue game displayed alongside the subject's most recent original appearance, in a fashion much like non-Super Mario characters list both their latest overall appearance and latest Super Mario appearance. This would have some caveats and nuances.

A reissue should only be noted as such if the subject also appeared in the original game. Triangular Block does not appear in Super Mario Bros. 3, so Super Mario Advance 4 is an original appearance.
Similarly, If a subject appears in new content within a reissue, then the reissue constitutes a new appearance. This would apply to Blockstepper as it appears in Bowser's Fury.
If a subject only appears in a game and its own reissue, then no note is necessary. The original game does not need to be listed twice, much like subjects that are only in one game.

Proposer: PopitTart (talk)
Deadline: N/A

Support: SM64 is not a new game

PopitTart (talk) Per proposal.

Oppose: The latest appearance is the latest appearance

Comments Deluxe HD (Nintendo Switch)

Proposal 2 Draft

Imagine, Hypothetically, if the wiki had a page called Super Mario Bros. (series). This page would act very similarly to the actual Super Mario (series) page, but it would only cover Super Mario Bros., Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels, Super Mario Bros. 3, New Super Mario Bros., New Super Mario Bros. Wii, New Super Mario Bros. U, New Super Mario Bros. 2, and Super Mario Bros. Wonder. All other games which are considered "Super Mario" games would be listed as "related" games, and otherwise simply part of the Super Mario (franchise). There is no all encompassing "Super Mario" series.

This hypothetical sounds preposterous, right? It's clear to see why. The exclusion of all the 3D games leaves a titanic gap in the timeline, and overall it clearly just paints a very incomplete picture of Mario platformers. Nintendo doesn't care about the titles literally having "Super Mario Bros." in them, NSMB builds off of ideas from SM64 which builds off of SMW which builds off of SMB3.

Well... this is exactly how the wiki treats Yoshi's Island (series). Yoshi's Story, Yoshi's Woolly World, and Yoshi's Crafted World are excluded simply on the face of not being titled "Yoshi's Island", despite clearly being closely related. Note this official ad for Yoshi's Woolly World that showcases all the YI games and Yoshi's Story as part of the game's history.

I think there are two possible ways to make this consistent. Option A: "Yoshi's Island (series)" is simply replaced with "Yoshi (series)". This would match how the Super Mario series is currently handled. Option B: institute a new "Yoshi (series)" that encompasses both the Yoshi's Island games as well as the non-Island titles. For parity, a "Super Mario Bros." series would also be established.

Proposer: PopitTart (talk)
Deadline: N/A, 23:59 GMT

Replace Yoshi's Island (series) with Yoshi (series)

PopitTart (talk) Per proposal.

Create new Yoshi (series) and Super Mario Bros. (series)

No Yoshi Change

Yoshi's Comment World

Navbox splitting

Extra Yoshi Table

Non games

Key
	Playable character	Rideable mount	Non-playable character

Media	Green	Red	Blue	Yellow	Pink	Light-Blue
colors for copypasting
Hot Wheels Mario Kart
LEGO Super Mario	^{[a 1]}	^{[a 1]}	^{[a 1]}	^{[a 1]}	^{[a 1]}	^{[a 1]}
Yoshi's Adventure
The Super Mario Bros. Movie

Notes

^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f Introduced in an update after release.

Derived Names

Preliminary list of possible derived name discussions to be had.

Note for anyone updating these links: Feel free to delete the entry from the list if it makes the derivation obsolete!

Current discussion open

Probably worth changing as-is?

Confident but to be discussed

uh oh, name overlap?

Hesitant, discuss

Shy Guy Hell

Vampire Shy Guy/Vampire Guy
Skull Shy Guy/Skull Guy
Juggling Shy Guy/Juggling Guy
Bazooka Shy Guy/Bazooka Guy
Acorn Shy Guy/Acorn Guy
Burner Shy Guy/Burner Guy - a German name of Flame Guy is listed on the page.
Submarine Shy Guy/Submarine Guy
Fly Heyho - there already are official Fly Guys and Flying Shy Guys
Rush Heyho - is rush an established prefix?
Zombie Debuho - Zombie Heyho is Zombie Guy, Debuho is Fat Guy, no way to decide which would get priority.
Relay Heihō - name suggests Relay Shy Guy or Relay Guy, but is actually a Boo Guy.

[dlc-1] ^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f Introduced in an update after release.

[a 1]

@@ Line 27: / Line 27: @@
 Well... this is exactly how the wiki treats [[Yoshi's Island (series)]]. Yoshi's Story, Yoshi's Woolly World, and Yoshi's Crafted World are excluded simply on the face of not being titled "Yoshi's Island", despite clearly being closely related. Note [https://youtu.be/3ZXxOb6S6s0?si=F-hT7CPTYJ1Vbm9e this official ad for ''Yoshi's Woolly World''] that showcases all the YI games and Yoshi's Story as part of the game's history.
-idk what to do for options...
+I think there are two possible ways to make this consistent. Option A: "Yoshi's Island (series)" is simply replaced with "Yoshi (series)". This would match how the Super Mario series is currently handled. Option B: institute a new "Yoshi (series)" that encompasses both the Yoshi's Island games as well as the non-Island titles. For parity, a "Super Mario Bros." series would also be established.
-. Create Yoshi (series) and create Super Mario Bros (series)
+'''Proposer''': {{User|PopitTart}}<br>
+'''Deadline''': N/A, 23:59 GMT
-. Create Yoshi (series) and delete Yoshi's Island (series)
+====Replace ''Yoshi's Island'' (series) with ''Yoshi'' (series)====
+#{{User|PopitTart}} Per proposal.
-. Nothing
+====Create new ''Yoshi'' (series) and ''Super Mario Bros.'' (series)====
+====No Yoshi Change====
+====Yoshi's Comment World====
 ==Navbox splitting==

Nintendo Entertainment System games
Super Mario franchise	Donkey Kong (1986) • Mario Bros. (1986) • Pinball (1985) • Golf (1986) • Wrecking Crew (1985) • Super Mario Bros. (1985) • Super Mario Bros. 2 (1988) • Super Mario Bros. 3 (1988) • Dr. Mario (1990) • NES Open Tournament Golf (1991) • Mario is Missing! (1993) • Mario's Time Machine (1994)
Donkey Kong franchise	Donkey Kong (1986) • Donkey Kong Jr. (1986) • Donkey Kong Jr. Math (1986) • Donkey Kong 3 (1986) • Donkey Kong Classics (1988)
Yoshi franchise	Yoshi (1992) • Yoshi's Cookie (1993)
Wario franchise	Wario's Woods (1994)
Miscellaneous	Nintendo World Championships 1990 (1990) • Nintendo Campus Challenge (1991)

Family Computer games
Super Mario franchise	Donkey Kong (1983) • Mario Bros. (1983) • Pinball (1984) • Golf (1984) • Family BASIC (1984) • Family BASIC V3 (1985) • Wrecking Crew (1985) • Super Mario Bros. (1985) • Super Mario Bros. 2‡ (1986) • Super Mario Bros. 3 (1988) • Dr. Mario (1990) • NES Open Tournament Golf (1991) • Super Mario USA (1992)
Donkey Kong franchise	Donkey Kong (1983) • Donkey Kong Jr. (1983) • Donkey Kong Jr. + Jr. Sansū Lesson (1983) • Donkey Kong Jr. Math (1983) • Donkey Kong 3 (1984)
Yoshi franchise	Yoshi (1991) • Yoshi's Cookie (1992)
Wario franchise	Wario's Woods (1994)
Family Computer Disk System	Golf (1986) • Super Mario Bros. (1986) • Super Mario Bros. 2‡ (1986) • I am a teacher: Super Mario Sweater‡ (1986) • All Night Nippon: Super Mario Bros.‡ (1986) • Golf: Japan Course‡ (1987) • Golf: U.S. Course‡ (1987) • Yume Kōjō: Doki Doki Panic‡ (1987) • Famicom Grand Prix: F1 Race‡ (1987) • Donkey Kong^ (1988) • Famicom Grand Prix II: 3D Hot Rally‡ (1988) • Donkey Kong Jr.^ (1988) • Mario Bros. Returns^ (1988) • Wrecking Crew^ (1989) • Pinball^ (1989)
‡ Disk System only ^ Disk Writer only

Super Mario Bros. / Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels / Super Mario Bros. Deluxe
Playable characters		Mario • Luigi
Forms		Regular Mario • Super Mario • Fiery Mario • Invincible Mario
Non-playable characters		Princess Toadstool • Mushroom retainers • Mushroom King • Miyuki^b • Takaaki^b • Noritake^b • KYON²^b • Takeshi^b • Matchan^b • Hidechan^b • Worlds A-C human^b • Boo^c • Yoshi^c
Enemies		Bloober • Bullet Bill • Buzzy Beetle • Cheep-cheep • Enemy clone^d • Hammer Brother • Koopa Paratroopa • Koopa Troopa • Lakitu • Little Goomba • OkaP^b • Pakkun OkaP^b • Piranha plant • Podoboo • Spiny • Spiny's egg
Obstacles		Current • Fire-Bar • Koopa's fire • Lava • Pit • Spike Trap^c • Turtle Cannon
Bosses		Fake Bowser • Bowser • Bowser's Brother^a
Items and power-ups		1 up mushroom • Buzzy shell • Coin • Fire Flower • Fireball • Koopa shell • Hiranya^b • Magic Mushroom • Poisonous Mushroom^a • Red Coin^c • Starman • Yoshi Egg^c
Objects		? block • 3-2-1 Block^c • Ax • Balance Lift • Beanstalk • Brick • Coral • Door^a • Dotted-Line Block^c • Face Block^c • Flagpole • Fireworks • Flimsy Lift • Horsehair plant • Island • Jumping board • Lift • Mentama Mark^b • Pipe • POW Block^d • Small cloud • Stairblock • Super Mushroom • Super Spring^a • Water • Wind^a
Locations	Worlds in Super Mario Bros.	World 1 • World 2 • World 3 • World 4 • World 5 • World 6 • World 7 • World 8
	Worlds in The Lost Levels	World 1 • World 2 • World 3 • World 4 • World 5 • World 6 • World 7 • World 8 • World 9 • World A • World B • World C • World D
	Other	Mushroom Kingdom • Bowser's Castle
Moves		Crouch • Dash • Jump • Kick • Stomp • Swim
Gameplay elements		Coin Heaven • Extra life • Game Over • Hard Mode • Minus World • Point • Sub-area • Time Limit • Warp Zone
Music compositions		"Ground BGM" • "Underground BGM" • "Underwater BGM" • "Castle BGM" • "Invincibility BGM"
Rereleases and remakes		All Night Nippon: Super Mario Bros. • BS Super Mario Collection • Game & Watch: Super Mario Bros. • Super Mario All-Stars (+ Super Mario World · Limited Edition) • Super Mario Bros. Special • VS. Super Mario Bros.
Further info		Gallery (The Lost Levels · Deluxe) • Glitches (The Lost Levels) • How to win at Super Mario Bros. • Media • Pre-release and unused content • References in later media • Staff (Deluxe) • Super Mario Bros. 25th Anniversary • Super Mario Bros. 30th Anniversary • Super Mario Bros. 35th Anniversary • Super Mario Bros.: Mario Syndrome • Super Mario Bros.: Peach-hime Kyūshutsu Dai Sakusen! • Super Mario World
^a Introduced in Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels ^b Exclusive to All Night Nippon: Super Mario Bros. ^c Exclusive to Super Mario Bros. Deluxe ^d Exclusive to Super Mario Bros. 35

Super Mario Bros. 35
Playable characters		Mario • Luigi
Forms		Regular Mario • Super Mario • Fire Mario • Invincible Mario
Enemies		Bloober • Bullet Bill • Buzzy Beetle • Cheep-cheep • Enemy clone • Hammer Bro • Koopa Paratroopa • Koopa Troopa • Lakitu • Goomba • Piranha plant • Lava Bubble • Spiny • Spiny Egg
Obstacles		Current • Fire Bar • Bowser's Flame • Lava • Pit • Bill Blaster
Bosses		Fake Bowser • Bowser
Items and power-ups		1-Up Mushroom • Buzzy Shell • Coin • Fire Flower • Fireball • Koopa Shell • Super Mushroom • Super Star
Objects		? Block • Axe • Scale Lift • Vine • Brick Block • Coral • Goal Pole • Fireworks • Flimsy Lift • Horsehair plant • Island • Trampoline • Lift • Warp Pipe • POW Block • Cloud Block • Hard Block • Mushroom Platform • Water
Locations	Worlds	World 1 • World 2 • World 3 • World 4 • World 5 • World 6 • World 7 • World 8
Locations	Other	Mushroom Kingdom • Bowser's Castle
Moves		Crouch • Dash • Jump • Kick • Stomp • Swim
Gameplay elements		Coin Heaven • Sub-area • Time Limit • Warp Zone
Music compositions		"Ground BGM" • "Underground BGM" • "Underwater BGM" • "Castle BGM" • "Invincibility BGM"