User:PopitTart
I'm PopitTart. I'm more of a casual here. My focus is on Pikipedia under the same username.
Proposal Draft
Recently, Mario Portal updated to cover enemies from New Super Mario Bros., New Super Mario Bros. 2, Super Mario 3D Land, and Super Mario Bros. Wonder which is a great boon for enemy documentation, but there is another thing that changed with this update. Namely, nearly every instance of enemies being named titles like "Mega Koopa Troopa (Red)" or "Cataquack (Blue)" has been changed to "Red Mega Koopa Troopa" and "Blue Cataquack" across the entire series. Enemies which have distinct behavior depending on their coloration now have fully distinct names, rather than parenthetical disambiguators. This begs the question: Should Super Mario Wiki follow suit? After all, what is different between Goomba and Mega Goomba that doesn't also apply to the difference between Red Koopa Troopa and Green Koopa Troopa? What makes Gold Koopa adequately distinct and not Red and Green?
This proposal aims to recognize these variants on equal ground as other variants that the wiki splits. This would necessarily mean that every single instance of a colored Shy Guy or Yoshi gets an entirely distinct page, heaven forbid. Just that enemies that are distinguished by color scheme should be considered on par with size variants and the rest.
For most enemies, this would create an "umbrella" article, such as Koopa Troopa over Red Koopa Troopa and Green Koopa Troopa. This article would document games where a distinction between Red Koopas and Green Koopas is either irrelevant or nonexistent, such as Super Mario Land 2, Super Mario 64, and the Mario Kart games. For reference, see the relationship between Koopa Shell, Green Shell, and Red Shell.Some enemies would not get "umbrella articles", such as Trompette. There currently only exist Brown Trompette and Purple Trompette in the same game, so there is no such general "Trompette". These cases would receive a disambiguation page with some brief information shared between the variants it provides, similarly to Tileoid.
What enemies would this apply to? Well, Here's a list of color-distinguished enemies listed in the Mario Portal (and a couple more from some deeper research) sorted into categories based on how they differ.
- Green Koopa Troopa/Red Koopa Troopa
- Red Shy Guy/Pink Shy Guy (SMB2)
- Red Snifit/Pink Snifit (SMB2)
- Important to note for the above two that the Pink enemies were made blue in Super Mario All-Stars and Super Mario Advance. Despite this, the Nintendo Player's Guide for All-Stars still calls them "Shyguy Pink" and "Pink Snifit". The Super Mario Advance manual uses "Blue Snifit". In total, it seems like there would need to be Red, Pink, and Blue pages? Discussion certainly open.
- giant Red Shy Guy/giant Blue Shy Guy (SMA)
- Green Big Koopa Troopa/Red Big Koopa Troopa
- Brown Trompette/Purple Trompette
- Green Gamboo/Purple Gamboo
- Gold Metal Gamboo/Silver Metal Gamboo
- Movement Differences - These enemies seem to be distinguished by how they behave in other ways.
- Green Koopa Paratroopa/Red Koopa Paratroopa
- Red Cheep Cheep/Gray Cheep Cheep (SMB1, the latter is also faster)
- Piranha Plant/Red Piranha Plant (SMBLL, the latter is also faster)
- Green Mega Piranha Plant/Red Mega Piranha Plant
- Spiny Egg/Green Spiny Egg
- Paragoomba/Red Paragoomba
- Cheep Cheep/Green Cheep Cheep (SMB3)
- Yellow Koopa Troopa
- Yellow Koopa Paratroopa
- Blue Swipin' Stu/Green Swipin' Stu
- Gray Beezo/Red Beezo
- Ninji Ａ/Ninji B (Not actually different colors, but conceptually related.)
- Gray Panser/Pink Panser/Red Panser
- Gray Snifit
- Bullet Bill/Blue Bullet Bill/Purple Bullet Bill
- Blue Electro-Koopa/Red Electro-Koopa
- Blue Cataquack/Red Cataquack
- King Kaliente/Black King Kaliente
- Dino Piranha/Black Dino Piranha
- Blue Crabber/Red Crabber
- Lava Bubble/Blue Lava Bubble
- Speed - These enemies behave mostly the same, but one is faster.
- Green Climbing Koopa/Red Climbing Koopa
- Blue Koopa Troopa
- Green Sugarstar/ Purple Sugarstar
- Red Pokipede/Green Pokipede
- Other
- Yellow Konk/Blue Konk (Different colors based on their direction)
- Green Bloomp/Purple Bloomp/gray Bloomp (Purples are spawned repeatedly from blasters, grays don't move)
| Nintendo Entertainment System games | |
|---|---|
| Super Mario franchise | Donkey Kong (1986) • Mario Bros. (1986) • Pinball (1985) • Golf (1986) • Wrecking Crew (1985) • Super Mario Bros. (1985) • Super Mario Bros. 2 (1988) • Super Mario Bros. 3 (1988) • Dr. Mario (1990) • NES Open Tournament Golf (1991) • Mario is Missing! (1993) • Mario's Time Machine (1994) |
| Donkey Kong franchise | Donkey Kong (1986) • Donkey Kong Jr. (1986) • Donkey Kong Jr. Math (1986) • Donkey Kong 3 (1986) • Donkey Kong Classics (1988) |
| Yoshi franchise | Yoshi (1992) • Yoshi's Cookie (1993) |
| Wario franchise | Wario's Woods (1994) |
| Miscellaneous | Nintendo World Championships 1990 (1990) • Nintendo Campus Challenge (1991) |
Derived Names
Preliminary list of possible derived name discussions to be had.
Current discussion open
Probably worth changing as-is?
Confident but to be discussed
- Disaster Cat
- Cat Parent
- Robo Kikki - the base form is named Monkikki, is this considered an intended name difference or a filename shortening?
- Slave Basa - the base form is named Basabasa, same as above
uh oh, name overlap?
- Senchō Kinopio - find reliability of Senchō, compare Captain Toad and Sea Captain Toad.
- Prof. Kinopio - compare Professor Toad
- Chef Kinopio - compare Chef Toad.
- ? Kinoko - compare Mystery Mushroom
- Mecha Nokonoko - compare Mechakoopa.
Hesitant, discuss
- Uproot Generate Point
- Fire Incoming Chomp
- Giga Snaggles
- Jewel Goob
- Propeller Snifit
- Kinoko Gummy
- Tane Pakkun
Shy Guy Hell
- Vampire Shy Guy/Vampire Guy
- Skull Shy Guy/Skull Guy
- Juggling Shy Guy/Juggling Guy
- Bazooka Shy Guy/Bazooka Guy
- Acorn Shy Guy/Acorn Guy
- Burner Shy Guy/Burner Guy - a German name of Flame Guy is listed on the page.
- Door Shy Guy/Door Guy
- Submarine Shy Guy/Submarine Guy
- Tree Shy Guy/Tree Guy
- Fly Heyho - there already are official Fly Guys and Flying Shy Guys
- Rush Heyho - is rush an established prefix?
- Zombie Debuho - Zombie Heyho is Zombie Guy, Debuho is Fat Guy, no way to decide which would get priority.
- Relay Heihō - name suggests Relay Shy Guy or Relay Guy, but is actually a Boo Guy.
Yoshi table
Games with only green Yoshi are excluded.
Playable
Rideable
Nonplayable
b Added in a Post-launch update.
