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''None at the moment.''
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|'''Proposals''' can be new features (such as an extension), removal of a previously added feature that has tired out, or new policies that must be approved via [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] before any action(s) are done.
*Any user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so, not, e.g., "I like this idea!"
*"Vote" periods last for one week.
*All past proposals are [[/Archive|archived]].
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A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed with the signature code <nowiki>~~~(~)</nowiki>.


<h2 style="color:black">How To</h2>
==New features==
#Actions that users feel are appropriate to have community approval first can be added by anyone, but they must have a strong argument.
''None at the moment.''
#Users then vote and discuss on the issue during that week. The "deadline" for the proposal is one week from posting at:
##Monday to Thursday: 17:00 (5pm)
##Friday and Saturday: 20:00 (8pm)
##Sunday: 15:00 (3pm)
#Every vote should have a reason accompanying it.
#At any time a vote may be rejected if at least '''three''' active users believe the vote truly has no merit or was cast in bad faith. However, there must be strong reasons supporting the invalidation.
#"<nowiki>#&nbsp;</nowiki>" should be added under the last vote of each support/oppose section to show another blank line.
#At the deadline, the validity of each vote and the discussion is reviewed by the community.
#Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "[[Wikipedia:Quorum|NO QUORUM]]"
#All proposals are archived. The original proposer must '''''take action''''' accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of a sysop, the proposer can ask for that help.


The times are in EDT, and are set so that the user is more likely to be online at those times (after school, weekend nights).
==Removals==
''None at the moment.''


So for example, if a proposal is added on Saturday night at 11:59 PM EDT, the deadline is the next Saturday night at 8:00 PM. If it is indeed a minute later, the deadline is a day plus 15 hours (Sunday), as opposed to a day minus 4 hours.
==Changes==
===Include italics for category page titles for media that normally uses it===
Shouldn't category pages for media that uses italics (such as games, shows, movies, etc.) use italics for their category pages? I did start adding it to some pages already, but I thought it was worth proposing about it, possibly to make it policy. I feel like italics should be used though, as it is used everywhere else. For example, the page titled [[:Category:Donkey Kong 64]] should be [[:Category:Donkey Kong 64|Category:''Donkey Kong 64'']].


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'''Proposer''': {{User|Kaptain Skurvy}}<br>'''Deadline''': February 20, 2025, 23:59 GMT


<center><span style="font-size:200%">CURRENTLY: '''{{LOCALTIME}}, {{LOCALDAY}} {{LOCALMONTHNAME}} {{LOCALYEAR}} (EDT)'''</span></center>
====Support====
#{{User|Kaptain Skurvy}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} Wait, this isn't already policy??? We think this lack of parity speaks a lot to how neglected categories can be in some regards. While yes, the category description isn't really meant to be the main point, we don't think ''slightly slanted text'' is distracting from the actual list of articles in the category, and just because categories are more utility than text doesn't excuse the text that ''is'' there looking below the standard of a usual article for being "lesser".
#{{User|Super Mario RPG}} Nothing wrong with having more consistency around the wiki.
#{{User|GuntherBayBeee}} Per all.
#{{User|Salmancer}} It is easier to figure out what the standards are from context alone when the standards are applied in every instance.


== New Features ==
====Oppose====
#{{User|Nintendo101}} Categories are supposed to provide simple, direct, and utilitarian functions, not something to be read or presented to readers. I don't think italicizing them is necessary and would detract from their simplicity.
#{{User|Sparks}} Per Nintendo101. It doesn't feel necessary.
#{{User|OmegaRuby}} What is this supposed to change, exactly? Yes, it's in line with how pages about games are to have the subject italicized, but the change feels unneeded and especially arduous to implement for pretty much no reason. Per Nintendo101.
#{{User|SolemnStormcloud}} Per all.
#{{User|Rykitu}} Per Nintendo101


''None at the moment.''
====Comments====
@Nintendo101: In that case, why do we italicise game titles in category descriptions? (Genuine question, I'm undecided on this proposal.) {{User:Hewer/sig}} 08:58, February 7, 2025 (EST)
:Because that is a proper sentence. It is not the tool itself. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 20:15, February 7, 2025 (EST)
::We mean... Wiki policy is to italicize game titles on their articles' names using <nowiki>{{Italic title}}</nowiki>, too, and those aren't proper sentences. They're article names. {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 19:00, February 8, 2025 (EST)
:::That's not the same situation in my eyes because the articles are what the site is for. That is what we are writing and presenting to the public. Of course we would italicize those. The categories are a tool, chiefly for site editors, not readers. We do not really gain anything from italicizing their titles. If anything, I worry this would lead to a lot of work to implement, either burdening site editors, porplemontage, or both. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 16:05, February 9, 2025 (EST)
::::So category names are just tools not meant for readers, but category descriptions aren't? {{User:Hewer/sig}} 18:08, February 9, 2025 (EST)
:::::The descriptions are just sentences, and I feel inclined to render those they way we would a sentence anywhere else on the site, be it on articles or in the description for image files. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 19:49, February 9, 2025 (EST)
::::We disagree with the notion categories are more for editors and not readers; while yes, all of the categories on the front page are maintenance categories from the to-do list, the sheer quantity of proposals for categories wouldn't make sense if they were moreso for editors, rather than your average reader; moves such as the reforms for the Look-alikes categories or the Thieves category wouldn't make sense if these weren't meant to be public-facing. And of course, there are the various categories that exist for users, but do ''not'' serve a utility purpose, such as the [[:Category:User es|various "users that know a given language" categories]].<br>As for difficulty implementing, considering the recent success stories with images without descriptions and categories without descriptions having gone from 4000+ and ≈100, to 0 and 0 respectively, we have it in good faith that this wouldn't be ''that'' hard to implement. Monotonous? Yes. But difficult? It's nothing a bit of caffeine and music can't solve. {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 18:22, February 9, 2025 (EST)
:::::Not only for editors, but chiefly for them. I don't exclude the idea of more curious readers utilizing them, but I suspect they are exceptions. I maintain that their ease of implementation is more important to the site than the formatting inconsistency. Like, are we to be expected to format category ourselves as "<nowiki>[[Category:Super Mario World screenshots|Category:''Super Mario World'' screenshots]]</nowiki>" instead of just "<nowiki>[[Category:Super Mario World screenshots]]</nowiki>" going forward? Would we do this for the articles that are in dozens of categories? Why? I would not want to do that, and I don't find the inconsistency a good enough reason to roll something like that out, and only brings downsides. It makes the tool where one types "<nowiki>[[Category:</nowiki>" almost entirely moot because we would still need to write out the whole name just to format it this way. Others are welcomed to think differently, but I personally think the way we format these names now in categories is perfectly fine. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 19:49, February 9, 2025 (EST)
even if this proposal doesn't pass, i think we should use [[Template:Italic title]] in the category pages. {{User:EvieMaybe/sig}} 10:16, February 12, 2025 (EST)
:I thought that was the whole proposal. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 03:32, February 13, 2025 (EST)


== Removals ==
===Split the image quality category===
'''Issue 1:''' [[:Category:Images to be reuploaded with higher quality]] is a very big category, with nearly 4,000 images in it right now. Even if it's something you can help with, it's very difficult to actually find anything in here. '''Issue 2:''' All other things being equal, some types of images require specific methods or skills to get that all users may not have or be comfortable with. To aid in the overall usability of this category and make it easier for skilled users to find things they can help with, I'm proposing the following two subcategories:
*'''Screenshots to be uploaded with higher quality''' - Most Nintendo consoles don't have the ability to take native screenshots. That's all I'll say about that.
*'''Assets to be uploaded with higher quality''' - Sites like The Spriters Resource are helpful, but they don't have everything. Getting higher quality images requires being able to extract them from the game files and/or the ability to manipulate them afterwards. This will also include images that are currently screenshots meant to demonstrate an asset, such as [[:File:DKCTF Donkey Icon.png]].
Additionally, [[Template:Image-quality]] will be modified with an extra parameter to mark the image as a screenshot or asset and categorize them appropriately. Considering we already have the rewrite and stub categories organized for better navigation, I don't see this as an issue.


''None at the moment''
'''Proposer''': {{User|Waluigi Time}}<br>
'''Deadline''': February 20, 2025, 23:59 GMT


==Splits & Merges==
====Split both====
#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Category:Votes to be reuploaded with a better reason
#{{User|Technetium}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} We're a little surprised a split like this hasn't happened sooner, honestly; if for no other reason than it would be nice to have it organized. Per proposal.
#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Nintendo101}} Per proposal.
#{{User|LadySophie17}} Per all, which is mostly "per proposal"s anyway
#{{User|EvieMaybe}} makes perfect sense


=== The [[Centurion]] article. ===
====Only split screenshots====


I think we should merge that article. These guys are simply the componement of [[Palutena Army|some attack]]. If we allow an article on these guy, we should also allow articles on the various [[Pokemon]] and [[Assist Trophy]].
====Only split assets====


'''Proposer''' {{User:Blitzwing/sig}} <br>
====Leave image quality alone====
'''Deadline:''' February 8, 2008, 20:00


==== Merge Centurion with Palutena Army ====
====Comments on image quality proposal====
Silly question; will images that are of neither screenshots nor assets that have the image-quality tag, like scans, character art/renders, or merchandise, just remain as-is? There are already a few examples of those that are all presently tagged with image-quality, like so:
<gallery>
File:Mk64mario.png|Scan of 3D render, colors are washed out.
File:BIS Fawflopper Prima.png|Muddy scan of 2D illustration, and background cropped.
File:Mariocrouch2Dshade.png|Photoshop upscaled 2D promo art.
File:BulletBillTSHIRT.jpg|Too small image of merchandise.
</gallery>{{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 15:30, February 6, 2025 (EST)
:Yes, anything that doesn't fall into either of the two subcategories will stay in the main one for now. I suppose we can look into splitting it further down the road, but I singled these two out because of the higher barrier to entry and also that they seem to be the bulk of the category's contents right now. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 15:37, February 6, 2025 (EST)
::I think this category should also be split by the media that it appears in (e.g: {{fake link|Category:Game screenshots to be reuploaded with higher quality}}. Something similar should also be done for the [[:Category:Articles with unsourced foreign names|Articles with unsourced foreign names category]]. [[User:Apikachu68|Apikachu68]] ([[User talk:Apikachu68|talk]]) 19:50, February 6, 2025 (EST)
:::Almost all of the screenshots in the category right now are from games so I don't think it needs to be narrowed down further just yet. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 20:09, February 6, 2025 (EST)


#{{User:Blitzwing/sig}}  - We had a proposal to get rid of all Smash Bros. article, while it didn't pass, it was right about the wiki putting too much focus on the Smash Bros. article. The existence of this article is a good proof of it.
===Change "(game)" identifier to "(arcade)" on the articles of ''[[Donkey Kong (game)|Donkey Kong]]'', ''[[Donkey Kong Jr. (game)|Donkey Kong Jr.]]'' and ''[[Mario Bros. (game)|Mario Bros.]]''===
#{{User:InfectedShroom/sig}}  With the Wing that Blitzes I argree.
I wouldn't consider "game" to be the best identifier for the arcade games ''Donkey Kong'', ''Donkey Kong Jr.'' and ''Mario Bros''. There's already a [[Donkey Kong (Game & Watch)|Game]] [[Donkey Kong Jr. (Game & Watch)|and]] [[Mario Bros. (Game & Watch)|Watch]] game that shares its title with each of the arcade games, but "''Donkey Kong''" is the name of various other games too! There's [[Donkey Kong (tabletop arcade game)|the tabletop game]], [[Donkey Kong (Game Boy)|the Game Boy game]], [[Donkey Kong (Nelsonic Game Watch)|the Nelsonic Game Watch game]] and [[Donkey Kong (slot machine)|the slot machine]]. I know the slot machine is technically an arcade game, but it's not a standard cabinet like the 1981 arcade game. "Game" is a broad identifier, especially for ''Donkey Kong''. Shouldn't a "game" identifier only be used if there's no other game with the same name? That's why we use consoles for identifiers instead, such as [[Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games (Wii)|''Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games'' (Wii)]] and [[Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games (Nintendo DS)|''Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games'' (Nintendo DS)]].
#{{User:Cobold/sig}} - Too minor element to warrant its own article.
#[[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] - Per all; but [[Palutena]] will stay seeing as she's an actual character and part of the [[Subspace Emissary]] plot, right?
#{{User:Knife/sig}} 17:12, 1 February 2008 (EST) Per Blitz
#{{User:Mr. Guy/sig}} They're just apart of the attack
#Kamicciolo - There isn't enough information for it


==== Keep Separate ====
'''Proposer''': {{User|Kaptain Skurvy}}<br>'''Deadline''': February 22, 2025, 23:59 GMT
#{{User:Stumpers/sig}} 15:50, 1 February 2008 (EST) I would think we'd want to wait until we see if they have any role in the Subspace Emmissary.  If someone knows that they do not, let me know.
#[[User:HyperToad|HyperToad]] Per Stumpers


==== Comments ====
====Support====
Walkazo: Yep. --[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 17:30, 1 February 2008 (EST)
#{{User|Kaptain Skurvy}} Per proposal.
:'Figued that. Thanks. - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]]


On a similar note, wouldn't we also want to merge articles like [[Waddle Dee]], [[Waddle Doo]] and [[Gordo]] with [[Waddle Dee Toss]] - Kamicciolo
====Oppose====
#{{User|Nintendo101}} Those articles also cover the game's release on Famicom, NES, Atari, etc., so "arcade" would not be a holistically accurate identifier.
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} Per Nintendo101; "arcade" is kind of a misnomer when the non-arcade ports are covered on them.
#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Per Nintendo101.
#{{User|PaperSplash}} Per ThePowerPlayer's comment.
#{{User|Rykitu}} Per all


==Changes==
====Comments====
''None at the moment.''
Maybe "arcade game" would be a decent compromise? [[User:PaperSplash|PaperSplash]] ([[User talk:PaperSplash|talk]]) 18:02, February 8, 2025 (EST)


==Miscellaneous==
What about [[Dr. Mario (game)|''Dr. Mario'']]? That game also has a [[Dr. Mario (Gamewatch Boy)|separate release also called ''Dr. Mario'']].--[[User:PopitTart|PopitTart]] ([[User talk:PopitTart|talk]]) 18:24, February 8, 2025 (EST)
===Latest Appearance ===
::The reason why the games ''Donkey Kong'' and ''Dr. Mario'' should keep their identifier of "(game)" is because those are by far the most popular and commonly thought-of games under their respective titles; the other articles (aside from ''Donkey Kong'' on the Game Boy) are on much more obscure devices while being clearly separate from the original game. To put it another way, "''Dr. Mario'' (game)" is what people are looking for when they think about "the game featuring Dr. Mario"; meanwhile, you'd be forgiven for not knowing that the Gamewatch Boy game even exists at all. {{User:ThePowerPlayer/sig}} 22:15, February 8, 2025 (EST)
On the [[template:character-infobox|character-infobox]] template, there is a section for "Latest Appearance". I'd like to establish a consensus on what this means: should this apply solely to released titles or should announced titles have precedence?  We must also decide how to deal with multiple release dates. Please be sure to mention in your vote how you'd like to deal with this second issue and we can have another proposal if there is not a clear consensus.


'''Proposer:''' {{User:Stumpers/sig}} (writer) and {{User:Master Crash/sig}} (advice)<br>
what about Donkey Kong (1981)? {{User:EvieMaybe/sig}} 18:39, February 9, 2025 (EST)
'''Deadline:''' February 7, 2008, 17:00 (5:00p)
:That would work for ''Donkey Kong'', but the original ''Mario Bros.'' and the arcade game of the same title were both released in 1983. {{User:JanMisali/sig}} 12:49, February 12, 2025 (EST)


====Put the Latest ''Released'' Appearance====
===Standardize the use of "English", "English (United States)" and/or "English (United Kingdom)" as languages in game infoboxes===
#{{User:Stumpers/sig}} 19:58, 31 January 2008 (EST) For the reasons above.  I feel that the earliest release date for a title (ie, Japanese release date for Brawl) should be used to determine which appearance we use.
So far, the use of "English (United States)" and "English (United Kingdom)" as language identifiers in game infoboxes on this wiki has been rather inconsistent and arbitrary, to say the least. While Nintendo is typically known for providing distinct English localizations for the United States (and other English-speaking territories in the Americas) and the United Kingdom (and other territories where Commonwealth English is standard, apart from Canada), the actual differences between them, if any, have varied over time.
#{{User:Master Crash/sig}} Per Stumpers and I
#{{User:Mr. Guy/sig}} Per the Stumping Guy above
#[[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] - Per All.
#{{User:Storm Yoshi/sig}} Per Stumpers and MC
#[[User:SiFi|SiFi]] - This has been confusing me for a while.
#{{User:Pokemon DP/sig}} Per Stumpers and Crash.
#{{User:Cobold/sig}} - "Latest" implies that something has already happened, so it can't be in the future. And we should use the first release in any region, that's Japan for most games, but also Europe for [[Super Mario Strikers]].
#{{User:InfectedShroom/sig}} I concur with Stumpers.
#{{User:Time Q/sig}} I agree with Cobold in both points.
#Per ALL [[User:HyperToad|HyperToad]]
#{{User:BlueYoshter/sig|per all}}
#{{User:McDimentio/sig|per all}}
#{{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} per all
#[[User:MarioGalaxy2433g5|MarioGalaxy2433g5]] The newest announced appearance might change. The character could get removed from the game. Toadette 4evur, I stumped you.
#{{User:Glitchman/sig2}} Per all.
#[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] - Per all again.
# [[User:Lules|Lules]] Until the game is released, the character might not appear anymore. If he/she does, it's just a matter of changing the date and name of the game in the character-infobox.  Monday, 12:44 am
# {{User:Smiddle/sig}} Per them.


====Put the Latest ''Announced'' Appearance====
Historically, many Nintendo games have featured minor English text differences between their releases in the Americas and Europe/Oceania; however, these were typically not wholly separate localizations to account for the differences between American and British (or Commonwealth) English – they tended to follow American English conventions for the most part regardless. Rather, they were simple amendments made by Nintendo of Europe to Nintendo of America's existing English scripts, usually either to rectify perceived shortcomings or to modify certain terminology based on internal preferences. These versions were typically stored separately on region-specific cartridges or discs, with occasional differences in how they were labeled in internal data.
#I think making it the latest announce appearance make makes more sense because latest appearance means the last time the character was seen, it has nothing to do with the fact that an event already happened. If a game is in development that means it's happening, and if the character is confirmed that means that they appear in the game. Can't stump me here! >=)[[User:Toadette 4evur|Toadette 4evur]] 12:47, 3 February 2008 (EST) *go me!*


====Comments====
Later, during the DS, Wii, 3DS and Wii U eras, more distinct localizations specifically for the United States and United Kingdom that also accounted for regional language differences became more commonplace. However, all of the aforementioned practices have largely faded with the advent of the region-free Nintendo Switch, where games now typically release simultaneously worldwide on identical cartridges. As a result, English scripts are now more often than not also identical across regions (or at most contain only very minor differences, such as the date format used; in many cases, the date format is the ''only'' difference), though they are still almost always stored and labeled separately in internal data, typically alongside each other.
I don't believe that this was needed to be a ''proposal'', but it DID have to be delt with. [[User:HyperToad|HyperToad]]
:I was pretty sure there would be a concensus, but I just thought: "We have this system, and there is no possible conflict if we use this system, so...." Oh, by the way, I was wondering how you guys would feel if we mentioned the latest appearance in each region, so it would be something like this:
::'''JP''': ''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]''
::'''US''': ''[[Mario Party DS]]''
::'''PAL''': ''[[Mario Party DS]]''
::'''AU''': ''[[Mario Party DS]]''
:::{{User:Stumpers/sig}} 14:35, 1 February 2008 (EST)
:::Just asking, what's the difference between EUR and PAL? PAL is the name for the video standard used in Europe. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 14:37, 1 February 2008 (EST)
::::Sorry, I meant '''AU'''.  I have a beast of a cold right now.  I've made the corrections.  Anyway, there are some games with different release dates for PAL and AU, I found out.  Thanks for catching that. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 15:31, 1 February 2008 (EST)
:::::Cobold, "latest appearance" means the last time the character was seen. It has nothing to do with if an event already happened or not. *I ROCK at this! =)* [[User:Toadette 4evur|Toadette 4evur]] 15:29, 3 February 2008 (EST)


I was just starting to wonder if my name makes people combative... guess it does... :*( Does it?  Toadette, my responce to your position is that some games are cancled, etc.  Plus, how do you know which future release to put there? Sometimes there are more than one appearance scheduled as TBA or TBA 2009, etc.  Anyway, my apologies for all of the trouble that you and other users have had with this arguement. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 15:32, 3 February 2008 (EST)
This proposal aims to determine how we should handle cases of identical or nearly identical (American) English scripts between regions when identifying languages in game infoboxes. Should we list them both as "English (United States)", simply as "English" or adhere to how they are distinguished in internal data, even when actual differences are minimal?


Yeah, they're really gonna remove Mario/Luigi/Peach/Bowser from a misc. game. See? You can't stump me. [[User:Toadette 4evur|Toadette 4evur]] 17:04, 3 February 2008 (EST) ps- I didn't mean for you to think your username is combative, sorry.
'''Proposer''': {{User|PaperSplash}}<br>
'''Deadline''': February 23, 2025, 23:59 GMT


Stumpers, when it comes to future releases, you can just contact the companies when the game is waiting to be released about any questions you have regaurding the release date. [[User:Toadette 4evur|Toadette 4evur]] 17:08, 3 February 2008 (EST)
====Option 1: List largely identical American English localizations only as "English (United States)"====
:Don't double post, and that sounds like WAY too much hastle. Besides, we don't need to directly ask ''Nintendo'' because they tell the public the release dates on their own, and when those dates bounce around (like for ''SSB Brawl'') its because ''Nintendo'' is doing it. Using the actual release dates is simpler, and it's gonna be more useful to Joe Public, who won't care that - for example - ''Brawl'' was due out late 2007, only that it came out in 2008. And if they ''do'' wanna hear about how much it's tentative dates were moved around, they can simply visit ''Brawl'''s article. - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]]
#{{User|PaperSplash}} My third choice. I mean, when it really is just American English, I can see the argument.


Toadette: Thanks for letting me know that it's your catchphrase.  You are right about removing characters, but the thing is that until the economic quarter games are going to be released in, their release is still up in the air -- either to be jumbled or to be canceled entirely.  It seems like we're just asking for confusion and controversy when we put down a game that is labeled "Q4 2008" instead of another game also labeled "Q4 2008". Just as a side note, you were talking about events already having happened or happening right now, etc.  The thing is, the release of games has nothing to do with that. Think about Yoshi's Island DS. We've had it as Baby Mario's latest appearance since the game came out, right?  But, the events of YIDS happened before those of Mario Kart: Double Dash!!  Yet, YIDS is the latest appearance.  Latest appearance has nothing to do with game timelines or what is happening in the world right now or anything like that because the timeline is messy that way.  It would be weird to assume that YIDS didn't happen until it was announced in the real world, right? {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 21:35, 3 February 2008 (EST)
====Option 2: List largely identical American English localizations as simply "English"====
#{{User|PaperSplash}} My first choice. I think it's the best compromise that makes the most sense, all things considered.
#{{User|Hewer}} I feel like this way is the most straightforward and accurate.
#{{User|CarlosYoshiBoi}} I mean, if it’s just the same thing and no changes (assuming it doesn’t include dates for save files), then I guess this one makes the most sense.
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} Primary option. It's the simplest, it seems reasonable enough, and is applicable across the board; while it isn't exactly in-line with how Nintendo is handling things as of the Switch era, it's reasonable ''enough'' and can easily account for pre-Switch cases very well.
#{{User|Jdtendo}} Per all. Especially if that means that we will stop using "English (United States)" for games that use a variety of English that is not specifically American and weren't even released in America such as ''[[Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels|SMBTLL]]'' or ''[[Mario & Wario]]''.


===Bob Hoskins Quote===
====Option 3: List both "English (United States)" and "English (United Kingdom)" if distinguished in internal data, otherwise simply list "English"====
This was brought up by the [[Bob Hoskins]] article, which has the "F-Word" written three times in a quote that supposedly came from the guy himself. It has been a huge contreversy, and has been argued back and forth. I propose we censor it. Yes, yes, I know, I've changed my mind a lot, but putting F---ing or f***ing is better.
#{{User|PaperSplash}} My second choice. When internal data classifies them that way, it ''could'' make sense to follow suit...
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} Secondary choice, as this seems to be Nintendo's official methodology as of the Switch; however, this ''exact'' rationale doesn't account for situations like, say, [[Mario Party 8]] and its infamous recall in the UK, which predates Nintendo's official distinguishing of NA English and UK English from the Switch era, leaving us at a bit of a loss for how to handle it exactly.
#{{User|CarlosYoshiBoi}} This option could also work if date formatting is different despite the game itself using the same script for the US and UK/Australia, like Mario & Luigi: Brothership.


'''Proposers:''' {{User:InfectedShroom/sig}} and [[User:Glitchman|Glitchman]]
====Option 4: Do nothing====
#{{User|CarlosYoshiBoi}} I’m actually surprised no one put anything in this option kind of like the title mentions “Do nothing.”


'''Deadline:''' Sunday, February 10, 15:00
====Comments====
For better accuracy, "British English" should probably be "Commonwealth English." [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:13, February 8, 2025 (EST)


====Get Rid of It====
:Noted. Though I decided to focus mainly on the terminology used in game infoboxes, as I realized this wiki's use of the term "British English" is effectively its own can of worms... [[User:PaperSplash|PaperSplash]] ([[User talk:PaperSplash|talk]]) 15:35, February 9, 2025 (EST)
#{{User:Mr. Guy/sig}} Per InfectedShroom
#[[User:MarioGalaxy2433g5|MarioGalaxy2433g5]] I hear too many cuss words at school.... make it stop!!!!!
#{{User:Glitchman/sig2}} Per InfectedShroom and myself.  Also, see my comment below.
#{{User:Crypt Raider/sig}} Little kids view this wiki!
#[[User:HyperToad|HyperToad]] Per Crypt


====Use f*** or f---====
I'm a bit confused what this proposal is trying to change. Is it just about terminology used in game infoboxes? {{User:Hewer/sig}} 11:31, February 9, 2025 (EST)
#{{User:Stumpers/sig}} Sorry to make another section, but I feel both sides are incorrect: we should not be prohibited from including applicable information, but we also must allow everyone to enjoy this site, including those still under the watchful eye of parents.
#One day some innocent first grader comes to that page and sees that quote and starts dropping the F-Bomb all the time. Do we want that? No, we should censor the quote so kids can't read the word. [[User:Toadette 4evur|Toadette 4evur]] 17:00, 3 February 2008 (EST)*I love this idea!*
#{{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} Per Stumpers! People finally understand me! It's MARIO wiki, we should keep it clean (as in nothing inaproppriate). It's not even really aproppriate for me, I'm in middle school, and I'm a user! See my comment below too. And good example, Toadette4evur. I don't get why everyone's saying we can't censor. I think it's for a serious reason, and we can make an exception since it's MARIO wiki.
#{{User:BlueYoshter/sig|we  censor it, at least. don't you see that kids surf this site? i saw it. i'm 9 years old. i wont say it. some kids, unknowingly, start using that word. DO YOU WANT KIDS TRASH-TALKIN'? nooo. so plz censor it. at least do something. JUST DON'T LET KIDS SAY IT!!!1!!!!one also per Toadette 4evur}}
#[[User:Fixitup|Fixitup]] Use it censored, but as f--- not f***


====Keep It There====
:In hindsight, I realized this proposal was trying to change too many things at once, so I decided to tidy things up and focus on just the game infobox terminology for now. [[User:PaperSplash|PaperSplash]] ([[User talk:PaperSplash|talk]]) 15:35, February 9, 2025 (EST)
#I don't care about it {{User:McDimentio/sig}}
#This is an encyclopedia, we don't censor things. --{{User:KPH2293/Signature}}
#Censoring an encyclopedia is one of the absurdest things you can do. It is ''fact'' that Hoskins used this word to describe his feelings, and there is no sense in changing that on this wiki. Once we start to censor, when is there an end? Are we gonna ban the phrase "what the heck" tomorrow? That's ridiculous. {{User:Time Q/sig}} 13:58, 3 February 2008 (EST)
# [[User:Ultimatetoad|Ultimatetoad]] per everyone else.
#{{User:Blitzwing/sig}} Per Time Q. In paper Encyclopedia, do you see things like "BECAUSE IT MAY BE OFFENDING TO YOUNGER READER, THE FOLLOWING DEPICTION OF HUMAN GENITALIA HAVE BEEN CENSORED"? No. It's a fact that Bob Hoskin used the F-bomb, we shouldn't remove it because Kids are browsing the wiki.
#[[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] - Per everyone. All this pussyfooting around it tiresome.
#[[User talk:Threegee]] Keep it.
#{{User:Pokemon DP/sig}} Per all, but I seriously think we need some sort of Mature Template.
#{{User:Cobold/sig}} - It's what he said, it shouldn't be altered. All I can think of is a show/hide template for the quote.
#{{User:Uniju :D/sig}}Per all, except for Pokemon DP.
#{{User:Smiddle/sig}} 09:07, 5 February 2008 (EST) Per Uniju.


====Comments====
Realistically even though Canadian English does use British/Commonwealth spelling most of the time, they just get US English spelling in games as Nintendo groups Canada with North America and their English is pretty similar to English in the US, so Nintendo products in Canada are just the same as in the US.


Blag, I am more than tired of this whole ordeal. Why we just don't remove the farking quote already? All it do is cause problem. --[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 12:52, 3 February 2008 (EST)
In this case why don’t we also just group American English and Canadian English into one and call it "North American English" even if it’s moreso mainly American English? [[User:CarlosYoshiBoi|CarlosYoshiBoi]] ([[User talk:CarlosYoshiBoi|talk]]) 10:45, February 11, 2025 (PST)
:Then just say you want to get rid of it. Please. {{User:InfectedShroom/sig}}


InfectedShroom: What do you suggest to do if the community decided to "get rid of it"? Remove it completely or censor that bad, bad word? {{User:Time Q/sig}} 14:01, 3 February 2008 (EST)
:I'm not quite sure exactly what point you're trying to make here, but per [[Template:Languages/doc|the documentation for the "languages" template]], the reason they're labeled the way they currently are in game infoboxes is because they're the primary markets American English and British/Commonwealth English localizations are made for. And for what it's worth, whenever Nintendo specifically labels "North American English" as a selectable language whether in-game or in internal data, they usually refer to the United States or US specifically, not North America/NA as a whole. [[User:PaperSplash|PaperSplash]] ([[User talk:PaperSplash|talk]]) 16:27, February 11, 2025 (EST)
:Lemme rephrase the whole thing. Better? {{User:InfectedShroom/sig}}
::Thanks, that's more explicit. {{User:Time Q/sig}} 14:31, 3 February 2008 (EST)


Think of the children who use this site. Do they really want to see that?{{User:Mcoolister/sig}}
::I think I’m going with the fact that the English (United States) language for Nintendo is also intended for Canada (and it’s also applied onto the "Japan" and "Hong Kong/Taiwan/South Korea" regions on the Switch) despite just using American English. Kinda like with European French where although it’s just moreso referring to Standard French/French from France, it’s intended for all French-speaking regions in Europe (France, Belgium and Switzerland). [[User:CarlosYoshiBoi|CarlosYoshiBoi]] ([[User talk:CarlosYoshiBoi|talk]]) 14:58, February 11, 2025 (PST)
:Like InfectedShroom said: They see it everyday, everywhere. And: This is no children's wiki, this is Mario Wiki. An encyclopedia that covers everything about Mario. Even this quote. Mario content doesn't imply that everything is safe for children. Kids do also watch the news, which contain much violence. Should news be censored, just because children are watching? {{User:Time Q/sig}} 15:20, 3 February 2008 (EST)


Just a question: why can't we just use "f***ing" and stuff like that?  If I were a parent and found that on this Wiki, I wouldn't allow my kids to come here.  Also, the arguement about the news: those shows censore out the f-bomb and don't show blood and gore, so in a sence just staring out the u, c, k would make us more news-ish than if we kept it here. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 15:40, 3 February 2008 (EST)
If Nintendo is also still adding English (United Kingdom) for their games despite there being almost no differences from the North American English versions aside from date or other words if needed, why do they keep American spelling? Wouldn’t it make more sense for British English spelling to be used even if it’s one of the only differences between English (United States) and English (United Kingdom)? [[User:CarlosYoshiBoi|CarlosYoshiBoi]] ([[User talk:CarlosYoshiBoi|talk]]) 22:00, February 12, 2025 (PST)
::I believe that InfectedShroom (and myself) was right.  Not only has this lone quote caused much controversy in the Mariowiki world, but this obscene word has been added to the quote not once, not twice, but THREE times.  The Mariowiki was created as an encyclopedia to the Marioverse for kids and young adults, and why do you need to have a quote like that on any site, much less one for young people?!  That movie not only sucked, it has very little to do with the Marioverse at all.  I'm not saying that the article should be deleted, but the quote should be removed.  Or at least, have users be warned of the cursing in the quote.  Stumpers also has a good point. {{User:Glitchman/sig2}}


:::Ummm.... Glitchman, are you going to vote on your (I mean both you and InfectedShroom) proposal? [[User:MarioGalaxy2433g5|MarioGalaxy2433g5]] 15:55, 3 February 2008 (EST)
:Less work for something ultimately unimportant, I guess? It's not like American spelling is unintelligible to non-Americans. Anyway, what does this have to do with the proposal? {{User:Hewer/sig}} 03:39, February 13, 2025 (EST)
:Yes, I did just now. {{User:Glitchman/sig2}}
Stumpers: I suggested that in the first place. But removing the thing entirely makes the contreversy end entirely. {{User:InfectedShroom/sig}}
::Hm.  I'll remove my vote for know I think then.  I don't think we should loose that bit of history about the movie.  It's one of the few bits we have about the production of it.  Censoring, I'm for, but avoiding news isn't our job as an encyclopedia.  I'm sorry... :( {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 16:09, 3 February 2008 (EST)
:::DANGIT. I can't help both sides, though. DANGIT AGAIN. {{User:InfectedShroom/sig}}


Crypt Raider: Yeah, and little kids also read dictionaries. And those contain all the bad words. And why? Because they're ''neutral'', descriptive, and not prescriptive. This is how encyclopedias should work. If we censor words, this is some form of POV - which we don't want to have here. So, basically, I don't get your "children" argument, sorry. {{User:Time Q/sig}} 16:27, 3 February 2008 (EST)
::Just came up to me somehow on the topic of American English and British English. Not as big of a problem anyways but just hit me. [[User:CarlosYoshiBoi|CarlosYoshiBoi]] ([[User talk:CarlosYoshiBoi|talk]]) 7:37, February 12, 2025 (PST)
:But it isn't the job of an encyclopedia to teach you words. Dictionaries contain every word of every language, even curse words, because '''THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO TEACH YOU WORDS.'''[[User:Toadette 4evur|Toadette 4evur]] 22:46, 3 February 2008 (EST) *I'm so smart!*
::It isn't the job of an encyclopedia to teach you words, that's correct. But it ''is'' the job of an encyclopedia to inform you. Censoring words is just the opposite: By doing this, we ''hide'' information, we keep the reader in the dark - the worst thing an encyclopedia can do. And it is another job of an encyclopedia to stay neutral and descriptive, both of which is violated by censoring. {{User:Time Q/sig}} 05:49, 4 February 2008 (EST)
:::The point of THIS encyclopedia is to teach you about a freaken' video game series for kids! [[User:Toadette 4evur|Toadette 4evur]] 18:52, 4 February 2008 (EST) *Yes, I do have a colorful vocabualry*
::::I doubt that. See below. {{User:Time Q/sig}} 18:55, 4 February 2008 (EST)


I support this proposal entirely. But if any of you care, I have a similar idea. "The worst thing I ever did? Super Mario Brothers... The whole experience was a nightmare." And also cut off that part at the end. Anyone want to do that? We're not taking away any information. {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}}
:I don't work for Nintendo nor do I know anyone personally who does, so I can't exactly say for sure. But my best guess is that they simply don't feel like they need to anymore. The main problem with Nintendo not having separate US and UK English localizations before was that certain words considered offensive in the UK but not the US would show up in Nintendo of America's localizations that were also going to be largely reused in Europe, as seen with ''[[Mario Party 8]]'' and ''[[Super Paper Mario]]''. But now such words appear to get caught and edited out during Nintendo of America's initial English localization pass, like "[[wiktionary:welcher|welcher]]" in ''[[Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions]]'', "[[wiktionary:bugger|bugger]]" in ''[[Super Mario RPG (Nintendo Switch)|Super Mario RPG]]'' and "[[wiktionary:bummer#Noun 3|bummer]]" in ''[[Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door (Nintendo Switch)|Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door]]''. Also, it seems that ever since at least ''[[Paper Mario: Color Splash]]'' or so, Nintendo of America and Nintendo of Europe have been working together more closely on English localizations from the start, as a couple English localization staff at NoE are now often also credited on NoA localizations and vice versa. With any potentially problematic words (regionally or otherwise) now seemingly being addressed much earlier on, there's no longer a really good reason they ''need'' to otherwise address differences between American English and British English during the localization process that would justify the extra time, effort and pay. While I'm sure it was appreciated by some, as Hewer mentioned, most people in the UK are used to reading and hearing US English and can understand it just fine (and the same goes vice versa to a lesser extent). It's not like Spanish where many Latin Americans genuinely struggle with understanding Spaniard slang and sometimes vice versa. As for why they still store UK or “EU” English scripts separately from the US ones in internal data despite being them being almost or outright entirely identical now, I think part of that is a remnant of the previous generation where more distinct localizations stored in folders labeled by both region and language was the standard (and it makes it easier for them to port over the more distinct localizations from older games whenever they bother doing so, like ''[[Mario Kart 8]]'''s for ''[[Mario Kart 8 Deluxe]]''). But I think the other reason is to make it easy just in case something actually still needs changing between regions, most commonly the aforementioned date formats. Because that can be legitimately confusing, since they would essentially be backwards otherwise by the other region’s standards. [[User:PaperSplash|PaperSplash]] ([[User talk:PaperSplash|talk]]) 19:56, February 14, 2025 (EST)
:Because that would be both censoring and a misquote. The latter of which we could get in serious trouble for. '''[[User:Infecto|InfectedShroom.]]'''[[Image:infectoicon.png]]


Time Q, answer to me directly on this: If you were a parent and saw that on this site what would you do? Would you say "I THOUGHT THIS WAS A KID-FRIENDLY SITE?!?!?!?!" or would you say "Whatever."? [[User:Toadette 4evur|Toadette 4evur]] 17:26, 3 February 2008 (EST)
===Make Dark Mode available to everyone===
:I wouldn't care, really. I don't care about the word showing up in every single dictionary, and thus I wouldn't care seeing it in an encyclopedia like the Mario Wiki. {{User:Time Q/sig}} 17:30, 3 February 2008 (EST)
Dark Mode is available to users with an account under preferences but it should be a toggle-able option for all users, even if they're not an editor. Wikipedia allows everyone regardless of role to toggle Dark Mode, so I don't see why [[Super Mario Wiki|this wiki]] shouldn't follow suit.
::Yeah, so if you were a parent and your kid started saying the F-Bomb all the time and he/she tells you they read it off this site you wouldn't care. Ok... *Steps backwards slowly* [[User:Toadette 4evur|Toadette 4evur]] 17:36, 3 February 2008 (EST)
:::Don't try to be smart, I just said what I'd do if I saw the word on the page. If my kid started to use the word, just because he or she read it here, I would 1) be sceptical (why should he/she use ''this'' of all words? There are many on the pages), and 2) talk to my child. It'd be ''my'' problem then. The Mario Wiki isn't there to educate my kids. The Mario Wiki is there for people who wish to get informed about Mario. The one who educates my kids is ME, not a random website. {{User:Time Q/sig}} 17:46, 3 February 2008 (EST)
::::I hate to break this too you but for some kid, I'm pretty smart(and sly, too). >=P [[User:Toadette 4evur|Toadette 4evur]] 17:49, 3 February 2008 (EST)
:Crystal Yoshi and Toadette 4evur have very good points.  To do what Crystal Yoshi is saying is not a misquote.  It's not even taking a quote out of context. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 17:44, 3 February 2008 (EST)
::It kind of is... How 'bout this: "The worst thing I ever did? Super Mario Brothers... The whole expirience was a nightmare. It had a husband-and-wife team directing, whose arrogance had been mistaken for talent. After so many weeks their own agent told them to get off the set!" And just leave it at that?
{{User:InfectedShroom/sig}}


:::No. That's even worse than writing "f***ng" or something. Hoskins didn't leave out the F words when he said that, so he/we shouldn't leave them out here. At the very most, we could put "[...]" where he said that, but then we could also use "f***ing". And I stated several times why I don't think this is a good idea. {{User:Time Q/sig}} 17:58, 3 February 2008 (EST)
'''Proposer''': {{User|Pizza Master}}<br>
::::Fine, let's not do the ... if no one likes it. Out of removing the quote or not removing it, I choose remove it. NO one's changing my mind. Toadette 4evur has some '''great''' points (but it's a little weird how he keeps saying he's so smart.){{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}}
'''Deadline''': February 27, 2025, 23:59 GMT


Time Q, can't we just censor it and go on with our lives? [[User:Toadette 4evur|Toadette 4evur]] 18:00, 3 February 2008 (EST)
====Support====
:Toadette, can't we just leave the word as it is and go on with our lives? If you don't care about the topic, just remove your vote and leave the discussion. (Or, feel free to discuss it with me and every other member, but please stay seriously and leave out that stumping stuff.) {{User:Time Q/sig}} 18:06, 3 February 2008 (EST)
#{{User|Pizza Master}} per.
::You wanna argue? Well I'm Mr. Argue. The word is bad and you know it. Bad words should be censored (or removed if it is used multiple times like it is here). Maybe THIS quote is why all the 6th graders at my school drop the F-Bomb everyday. [[User:Toadette 4evur|Toadette 4evur]] 18:12, 3 February 2008 (EST) Stumped ya! P.S.-That's one of my catch phrases and I use them alot, Time Q.
#{{User|Nintendo101}} nice idea, <s>though I would prefer if Light Mode was called "Ground Mode" and Dark Mode was called "Underground Mode" for our site.</s>
:::"The word is bad." Says who? Words aren't bad. Words are words, the matter is how we use them. And in this context, we don't use the word because we are swearing, but we use it because we ''depict'' what Bob Hoskins has said. "Bad words should be censored." Says who?? I don't. If you're able to disprove my argument about the word showing up in dictionaries, I'll immediately remove my vote. But I'm pretty sure this cannot be disproven. {{User:Time Q/sig}} 18:19, 3 February 2008 (EST)
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} Wait, theme changes are unavailable to users not logged in? Just, at all? It's not just dark mode, it's ''any'' theme, since it's all on Preferences. This feels like something that, if it's possible, it shouldn't even be a proposal, it should just be added outright without vote. This is a very obvious quality-of-life change for users that don't happen to be logged in.
:::: Says me! Duh! [[User:Toadette 4evur|Toadette 4evur]] 18:22, 3 February 2008 (EST) *Stumped ya!*
#{{User|Mushroom Head}}Why do we still need to create an account just to not torture your eyes when we use this wiki at night? It literally has zero effect to the users who are always logged in anyways.
:::::Oh yeah. Great. And you are the chosen one to decide about this wiki's destiny. Luckily you're not. Btw, I'm not arguing with you because I think I can change your mind. I'm pretty sure I can't. I'm arguing with you because of the possibility that some people might understand my point and think about the matter before simply saying "ZOMG!!!11 this words so ev1l!! c3nsoR!!!" {{User:Time Q/sig}} 18:26, 3 February 2008 (EST)
#{{User|Rykitu}} Per all
::::::Yeah, bad impersonation of me. I don't talk like that. And I NEVER said i decide the wiki's destiny (although every once in a while I wish I could). [[User:Toadette 4evur|Toadette 4evur]] 18:37, 3 February 2008 (EST) *Stumped ya!*
#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} The fact that this wiki has a Dark Mode and it ''still'' isn't available to everyone who uses the site is a crime.
:::::::Time Q, Toadette 4evur, you argue in a weird way. I agree with Toadette 4evur's side, but I'm sorry to say, I don't think he's really proving his case the right way (why do you keep saying, "stumped ya"? It's kind of freaking me out). Anyway, my argument: Dictionaries are NOT worldwide-acessible online databases about a video game series FOR KIDS. The point of dictionaries is to teach words, and if someone wants to learn that word, they can. {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} p.s. Stumpers is right below-- don't get all angry at each other, we can have a discussion about this but I don't want you to get all angry about this. But censoring some letters isn't much better than leaving it in, people still know what it says, still might give some people the impression we don't care.
::::::::But who says that the ''Mario'' series is a series for kids? The movie proves this claim just wrong. As we are the "Mario Wiki" and not the "Mario minus the non-children-safe stuff Wiki", it is our task to cover everything about Mario, even if it's more adult stuff. Yeah, of course games like ''Super Mario World'' are mostly played by kids. But then, kids will mostly visit articles about just these "children-safe" games. And these articles will of course stay free of "bad words" <small>(I still don't think that any word is bad, but that's a different issue.)</small>. {{User:Time Q/sig}} 05:49, 4 February 2008 (EST)
:::::::::Time Q has a point, no word is bad, but, people used them to insult people way back when the the word was thought as indecent ever since. [[User:Toadette 4evur|Toadette 4evur]] 21:57, 4 February 2008 (EST) *Stumped ya!*
Time Q: I left out the part where he said "It was a f-ing nightmare." and put [...] there. Bah, nevermind this whole thing. I have better things to do. {{User:InfectedShroom/sig}}


Time Q and Toadette: please don't flame each other... not to take sides or anything.  You're both very good users and you both have the same thing in mind: the good of the Wiki.  What won't be good for the Wiki is if a sysop blocks both of you for a while.  Censoring is find from a journalism standpoint as long as someone who knows the word could figure out that it was in there.  However, omiting parts of a quote is something completely different.  Please, let's all just take a step back here.  What does the Wiki GAIN from that quote?  Proof that Hopskins hated working on the movie.  It's important info.  What does the Wiki LOSE from censoring the f-bombs, like the two at the end?  NOTHING... and we might prevent ourselves from losing maybe one viewer.  So, why are we getting worked up over this?  If we can take our feelings about what people censore on the radio and TV (because I know that this is what some of us are upset about) and think about what needs to be on this Wiki, it's pretty obvious that using f*** or f--- is the way to go.  Seriously, this isn't a political forum, this is the Super Mario Wiki.  And right now, this Wiki enjoys having it's user base and editor base being everyone from 9 y/o to at least 23 y/o if not more.  Do we need to give more ammo to people who don't like their children going online?  Besides, we could get banned from parental controls.  We're here to provide information about the Mario series to everyone, not everyone whose authority figures don't care about a few f-bombs. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 19:15, 3 February 2008 (EST)
====Oppose====
:I'll stop arguing, but the F-Bomb is the mother of dirty words, so personally, we should at least censor it, 'cause you're right, that's important info. =)[[User:Toadette 4evur|Toadette 4evur]] 19:23, 3 February 2008 (EST) *I love it here!*


Alright, I edited the description again. {{User:InfectedShroom/sig}}
====Comments====
:I'll merge Toadette and my votes accordingly. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 20:06, 3 February 2008 (EST)
My question is: is it possible to enable this feature for non-logged-in visitors? I'm asking this because Dark Mode is considered a "[[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets|Gadget]]", and not a regular MediaWiki feature. They work with JavaScript though, so I suppose it ''could'' work in some way (given we have [[MediaWiki:Common.js]] and all), but I would still ask {{user|Porplemontage}} if a toggleable, easily accessible Dark Mode for everyone (including non-users) is possible, if I were you. {{User:Arend/sig}} 17:33, February 13, 2025 (EST)
::If we censor it, could we censor it so it looks like ****in' or something, 'cause if we only block a couple letters, people will still know what the word is. [[User:Toadette 4evur|Toadette 4evur]] 20:13, 3 February 2008 (EST)
:::So? We want people to know what Bob Hoskins said because that's good (and interesting) information. Plus, if the kiddies knew that we were bleeping the f-word it'd help enforce the fact that it's a "bad word". Anyway, this whole argument is irritating, we'd be stupid to delete the quote and lose that info, but nomatter which way we censor it people are gonna be unhappy. Anyway, I asked my parents and they said they'd prefer f--- but wouldn't get overly freaked about the actual word. Kids pick up these swears from their parents or other kids who learned it from their parents, etc.; not from ''Mario'' websites. When I was little I'd always ask my parents what a new word meant when I read it, but not neccesarily the ones I heard used. For instance, I learned the f-word in Grade 3 from my deskmate (who also told me he wanted to be a cerial killer), but the first time I used it at home I got chastised and told that the word wasn't politically correct, so I stopped using it. As TimeQ said, it's the parents' responsibility to teach their kids right from wrong, not ours. - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]]
::::Look, you made someone feel bad! [[User:Toadette 4evur|Toadette 4evur]] 22:12, 3 February 2008 (EST) *How rude!* P.S.- Walkazo, tell that to Crystal Yoshi.
:::::Oh, great, now I'm gonna be known as that idiot who made that stupid proposal... That's a nice thought... -_- {{User:InfectedShroom/sig|Please don't reply to me and make me feel even worse. -_-}}
::::::No, no. I'm glad you made this proposal to finally stop all this reverting on the Bob Hoskins page. =) {{User:Time Q/sig}} 05:49, 4 February 2008 (EST)
:::::::Walkazo: When kids know there's a bad word, it actually makes them ''want'' to say it. But censoring is better than nothing, I guess. Hmmm... should I move my vote to censoring, of leave it for removing the quote? Can't decide. {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}}


Censorship-10, leave it the way it is-6. [[User:Toadette 4evur|Toadette 4evur]] 22:14, 3 February 2008 (EST) *Yes!*
:I've asked [[User:Porplemontage|Porple]] on his talk page, so we'll see when he answers. [[User:Pizza Master|Pizza Master]] ([[User talk:Pizza Master|talk]]) 17:40, February 13, 2025 (EST)
:Just based on past experiences... gloating doesn't help your side. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 22:24, 3 February 2008 (EST)
::I know, but I just had to do that. (It was killing me) [[User:Toadette 4evur|Toadette 4evur]] 22:40, 3 February 2008 (EST) *I hope we win*


Uhm, merging the "censor the word" and "remove the quote" votes isn't okay, I think. That's just biased. Every one of the three options should get the same chances. {{User:Time Q/sig}} 05:49, 4 February 2008 (EST)
::Porple's response on his talk page seems to imply that it might be possible. [[User:Pizza Master|Pizza Master]] ([[User talk:Pizza Master|talk]])


Hey, why don't we do what Cobold suggested? A template in place of the quote that says something like, "Notice: This quote is hidden because contains swearing." And they can click show to see the quote. {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}}
===Make about templates on ''New Super Mario Bros. U'' courses and ''New Super Luigi U'' courses link to each other instead of a disambiguation page, but keep the disambiguation page===
:Not a bad idea. I would still find it somehow absurd (imagine a paper encyclopedia that says "Be careful, if you turn this page, you will find a swearword"), but it'd be a hundred times better than censoring. And a thousand times better than removing the quote. {{User:Time Q/sig}} 16:30, 4 February 2008 (EST)
"Where is that Star Coin in [[Jungle of the Giants]]? Oh, I’ll use Super Mario Wiki. Wait, I’m playing ''[[New Super Luigi U]]'' so it’s the counterpart [[Giant Swing-Along]]. How do I get from the Jungle’s page to Swing Along’s page? The about template should take me to… a [[Soda Jungle-1|disambig]]?"
::Wikipedia (Well, the french one anyway) do have a template warning the reader that the content of an article might be offending. If Wikipedia do that, why shouldn't we? --[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 16:33, 4 February 2008 (EST)
Yeah, if Wikipedia does it, let's do it. Pokemon DP and Cobold might want to also. Should we make a new category? {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}}
:No, last time this issue appeared the template was ''suggested'' but never made. We should just vote for the quote to be left as is for now and then have another vote about the template only, making sure it's actually remembered if/when the proposal passes (in fact, someone could always make a draft of the new template ''before'' the new proposal is made insuring the result of the proposal will be enacted and giving people a chance to see what it would look like so they know '''exactly what they're voting for'''). Also, Toadette, who were you talking about when you said I made someone feel bad? - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]]
:Maybe Infected Shroom. (Look at the reply quote (s)he gave you above)[[User:Toadette 4evur|Toadette 4evur]] 18:22, 4 February 2008 (EST) *Go censorship/template!*
::If censoring doesn't go through, could you guys help me start a new proposal for that? I mean, it's better than censoring. People who seriously want to know what he said can see it.  Kids surfing on the site won't see it because it's hidden (unless they're bad kids and they want to learn bad words). It works just as well as censoring if not better. It's true that kids are on the wiki, and they shouldn't see it. But Time Q has a point: it's still important information people might want to learn. This way, everyone gets what they want. So don't you think it's worthy of a proposal (if this doesnt pass)? {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} P.S. If everyone who voted "remove the quote" moves their vote to "censor", it'll win.
:I'd like to help if you do that. I won't stop fighting until that page (and every other questionable pages) is kid friendly. [[User:Toadette 4evur|Toadette 4evur]] 17:24, 5 February 2008 (EST) *Fight! Fight! FIIIIIIIIIIGHT!*
::Good. We'd have to be really convincing, 'cause a lot of people are tired of this issue and don't care (they really should care, the fate of the site depends on this!) {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}}
:::It certainly doesn't. But if we do censor, that would be a big step away from an informative, neutral encyclopedia. {{User:Time Q/sig}} 18:39, 5 February 2008 (EST)
Yes, Time Q, I'm gonna make a proposal to ban the phrase "What the heck" because the word "what" is in it. Pfffffft. [[User:Toadette 4evur|Toadette 4evur]] 18:49, 4 February 2008 (EST) *I'm the king of sarcasm*


I'm gonna leave if you guys alow this. I don't want to be apart of an evil site.{{User:Mcoolister/sig}}
What the hypothetical person above said. There’s only two courses with the code [[Soda Jungle-1]], and since Nintendo does not reuse worlds in other games in the same role as worlds, the odds of there ever being a third Soda Jungle-1 are 0%. Given this is the case, if a user does go to a [[New Super Mario Bros. U|Mario U]] course when they meant a Luigi U course, having the about template point to a disambiguation page for a whopping two articles means the user has to click two times to reach the corresponding article for Luigi U. While this is a minor issue, there's a whole [[MarioWiki:Naming#Shared titles|paragraph]] in [[MarioWiki:Naming]] dedicated to saving readers the clicks when searching for the most obvious topic of a group of topics that share a name. I think that philosophy should be extended to this curiosity.


The word is, it shouldn't have been made in the first place.{{User:Mcoolister/sig}}
We should carve out a special exception regarding the About template for this pair of games. About templates for levels from ''[[New Super Mario Bros. U]]'' and ''New Super Luigi U'' simply link to the other article, even though the articles in question do not share a name. The disambiguation page remains, because neither Soda Jungle-1 is more prominent than the other. (It also matches the relationship between ''Donkey Kong Country'' levels to ''Donkey Kong Land'' levels) As a result, this:
:OIC. [[User:Toadette 4evur|Toadette 4evur]] 22:28, 4 February 2008 (EST) *I'll remove my other comment*
*"This article is about Jungle of the Giants, a level in ''New Super Mario Bros. U''. For other uses, see Soda Jungle-1."
becomes this:
*"This article is about Jungle of the Giants, a level in ''New Super Mario Bros. U''. For its ''New Super Luigi U'' counterpart, see Giant Swing-Along."


Here is my brief summary of what will happen if we keep the quote: Kid sees quote, kid says bad word frequently, parents say kids can't visit, members get mad and leave, due to lack of people the site shuts down. We don't want that. [[User:Toadette 4evur|Toadette 4evur]] 22:44, 4 February 2008 (EST) *Save the site!*
And so on and so forth for all... 90 or so courses.
:I really doubt that would ever happen.  What's the likelyhood that a kid will see that page anyway?  The youngin's don't care about that movie unfortunately... it's all about them newfangled things!
Toadette 4evur is right. If this site had a rating (like for a game), it ''would'' be just E or maybe E10, but becuase of that one word, it's M. But I also want to know how people feel about the "this quote is hidden becuase it contains swearing click show to show quote" idea. And I understand Mcoolister.{{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}}
{{User:Stumpers/sig}} 23:57, 4 February 2008 (EST)
::You don't ban out the word by censoring it. Kids know that the word exists anyway. It is up to the parents to teach their kids not to use it, not to us. Also, the word doesn't hurt anyone. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 05:18, 5 February 2008 (EST)
:::Well who could care about a stupid movie like that anyway? [[User:Toadette 4evur|Toadette 4evur]] 17:13, 5 February 2008 (EST) *Yes, I did use a, well, meaner word there*


'''Proposer''': {{User|Salmancer}}<br>
'''Deadline''': February 28, 2025, 23:59 GMT


what is the difference of F--- and f-word?. Everybody knows F--- is the f-word. And, Blue Yoshter, that is the way we have parents, kthx {{User:McDimentio/sig}}
====Support: Link the corresponding courses together with the about template====
#{{User|Salmancer}} I only have 100 seconds to beat the Luigi courses, for the love of hammers save me the click when I put in a Mario course by accident!
#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} If there are two and only two levels that correspond to the same world name and level number (e.g. "Soda Jungle-1"), then one should just immediately link to the other, just like pages that use the <nowiki>{{distinguish}}</nowiki> template such as [[Slug]] and [[Vine Slime]]. Seeing the disambiguation page should only be necessary if someone thinks to visit "Soda Jungle-1" first without remembering the level's exact name.
#{{User|EvieMaybe}} one of those changes so obvious you question why they weren't done that way in the first place. per proposal!
#{{User|Rykitu}} Per all
#{{User|Ahemtoday}} Very sensible change to make.


:Yeah, McDimentio has a point. That's why I'd prefer a hiding the quote and having the option to show it. {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}}
====Oppose: Status quo, about templates go to disambiguations.====


We didn't remove [[Reggie Fils-Aime|Teh Reggienator's]] quote. And tha's all I have ta' say 'bout tha'. {{User:Smiddle/sig}} 09:10, 5 February 2008 (EST)
====Comments (Use <nowiki>{{about}}</nowiki> to cross-link Mario/Luigi U courses)====
I know I'm on about swapping from "level" to "course". That's for another day, which is why the example doesn't change the word choice. [[User:Salmancer|Salmancer]] ([[User talk:Salmancer|talk]]) 18:54, February 14, 2025 (EST)


:You want to censor that, too? Fine, censor it. There's no point in saying we can't censor Bob Hoskins cause another guy said a bad word (which isn't as bad.) If you want to do the same. do the same. {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}}
==Miscellaneous==
::Censored. [[User:Toadette 4evur|Toadette 4evur]] 18:22, 5 February 2008 (EST) *NO foul language should be on the wiki*
''None at the moment.''
 
I never knew about that word until I was 12. Most cursing words actually.{{User:Mcoolister/sig}}
:LOL, really? {{User:McDimentio/sig}}
 
Stumpers raise a good point here. The 90's movie is pretty much unknow by the newer fanbase or universally reviled by the older fans, plus, I don't really think you would come to the MarioWIki to read about an obscure actor. --[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 17:31, 5 February 2008 (EST)

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Proposals can be new features, the removal of previously-added features that have tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action is taken.
  • Voting periods last for two weeks, but can close early or be extended (see below).
  • Any autoconfirmed user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so.
  • All proposals must be approved by a majority of voters, including proposals with more than two options.
  • For past proposals, see the proposal archive and the talk page proposal archive.

If you would like to get feedback on an idea before formally proposing it here, you may do so on the proposals talk. For talk page proposals, you can discuss the changes on the talk page itself before creating the TPP there.

How to

If someone has an idea about improving the wiki or managing its community, but feel that they need community approval before acting upon that idea, they may make a proposal about it. They must have a strong argument supporting their idea and be willing to discuss it in detail with other users, who will then vote on whether or not they think the idea should be implemented. Proposals should include links to all relevant pages and writing guidelines. Proposals must include a link to the draft page. Any pages that would be largely affected by the proposal should be marked with {{proposal notice}}.

Rules

  1. Only autoconfirmed users may create or vote on proposals. Proposals can be created by one user or co-authored by two users.
  2. Anyone is free to comment on proposals (provided that the page's protection level allows them to edit).
  3. Proposals conclude at the end of the day (23:59) two weeks after voting starts (all times GMT).
    • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, the voting starts immediately and the deadline is two weeks later on Monday, August 15, at 23:59 GMT.
  4. Users may vote for more than one option, but they may not vote for every option available.
  5. Every vote should have a strong, sensible reason accompanying it. Agreeing with a previously mentioned reason given by another user is acceptable (including "per" votes), but tangential comments, heavy sarcasm, and other misleading or irrelevant quips are just as invalid as providing no reason at all.
  6. Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. Voters can remove or rewrite their own vote(s) at any time, but the final decision to remove another user's vote lies solely with the wiki staff.
    • Users can also use the comments section to bring up any concerns or mistakes in regards to the proposal itself. In such cases, it's important the proposer addresses any concerns raised as soon as possible. Even if the supporting side might be winning by a wide margin, that should be no reason for such questions to be left unanswered. They may point out any missing details that might have been overlooked by the proposer, so it's a good idea as the proposer to check them frequently to achieve the most accurate outcome possible.
  7. If a user makes a vote and is subsequently blocked for any amount of time, their vote is removed. However, if the block ends before the proposal ends, then the user in question holds the right to re-cast their vote. If a proposer is blocked, their vote is removed and "(blocked)" is added next to their name in the "Proposer:" line of the proposal, which runs until its deadline as normal. If the proposal passes, it falls to the supporters of the idea to enact any changes in a timely manner.
  8. Proposals cannot contradict an already ongoing proposal or overturn the decision of a previous proposal that concluded less than four weeks (28 days) ago.
  9. If one week before a proposal's initial deadline, the first place option is ahead of the second place option by eight or more votes and the first place option has at least 80% approval, then the proposal concludes early. Wiki staff may tag a proposal with "Do not close early" at any time to prevent an early close, if needed.
    • Tag the proposal with {{early notice}} if it is on track for an early close. Use {{proposal check|early=yes}} to perform the check.
  10. Any proposal where none of the options have at least four votes will be extended for another week. If after three extensions, no options have at least four votes, the proposal will be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
  11. If a proposal reaches its deadline and there is a tie for first place, then the proposal is extended for another week.
  12. If a proposal reaches its deadline and the first place option is ahead of the second place option by three or more votes, then the first place option must have over 50% approval to win. If the margin is only one or two votes, then the first place option must have at least 60% approval to win. If the required approval threshold is not met, then the proposal is extended for another week.
    • Use {{proposal check}} to automate this calculation; see the template page for usage instructions and examples.
  13. Proposals can be extended a maximum of three times. If a consensus has not been reached by the fourth deadline, then the proposal fails and cannot be re-proposed until at least four weeks after the last deadline.
  14. All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of an administrator, the proposer can ask for that help.
  15. After a proposal passes, it is added to the appropriate list of "unimplemented proposals" below and is removed once it has been sufficiently implemented.
  16. If the wiki staff deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to cancel it at any time.
  17. Proposals can only be rewritten or canceled by their proposer within the first four days of their creation. However, proposers can request that their proposal be canceled by a staff member at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it. Please note that canceled proposals must also be archived.
  18. Unless there is major disagreement about whether certain content should be included, there should not be proposals about creating, expanding, rewriting, or otherwise fixing up pages. To organize efforts about improving articles on neglected or completely missing subjects, try setting up a collaboration thread on the forums.
  19. Proposals cannot be made about promotions and demotions. Staff changes are discussed internally and handled by the bureaucrats.
  20. No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.
  21. Proposals must have a status quo option (e.g. Oppose, Do nothing) unless the status quo itself violates policy.

Basic proposal formatting

Copy and paste the formatting below to get started; your username and the proposal deadline will automatically be substituted when you save the page. Update the bracketed variables with actual information, and be sure to replace the whole variable including the square brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information" and not "[This is the inserted information]". Proposals presenting multiple alternative courses of action can have more than two voting options, but the objective(s) of each voting option must be clearly defined. Such options should also be kept to a minimum, and if something comes up in the comments, the proposal can be amended as necessary. 

===[insert a title for your proposal here]===
[describe what issue this proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the wiki handles that issue]

'''Proposer''': {{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}}<br>
'''Deadline''': {{subst:#time:F j, Y|+2 weeks}}, 23:59 GMT

====[option title (e.g. Support, Option 1)]: [brief summary of option]====
#{{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}} Per proposal.

====[option title (e.g. Oppose, Option 2)]: [brief summary of option]====

====Comments ([brief proposal title])====

Autoconfirmed users will now be able to vote on your proposal. Remember that you can vote on your own proposal just like the others.

To vote for an option, just insert #{{User|[your username here]}} at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on another user's proposal. If you are voting on your own proposal, you can simply say "Per proposal."

Poll proposal formatting

As an alternative to the basic proposal format, users may choose to create a poll proposal when one larger issue can be broken down into multiple sub-issues that can be resolved independently of each other. In a poll proposal, each option is its own mini-proposal with a deadline and Support/Oppose subheadings. The rules above apply to each option as if it were a its own two-option proposal: users may vote Support or Oppose on any number of options they wish, and individual options may close early or be extended separately from the rest. If an option fails to achieve quorum or reach a consensus after three extensions, then "Oppose" wins for that option by default. A poll proposal closes after all of its options have been settled, and no action is taken until then. If all options fail, then nothing will be done.

To create a poll proposal, copy and paste the formatting below to get started; your username and the option deadlines will automatically be substituted when you save the page. Update the bracketed variables with actual information, and be sure to replace the whole variable including the square brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information" and not "[This is the inserted information]". 

===[insert a title for your proposal here]===
[describe what issue this proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the wiki handles that issue]

'''Proposer''': {{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}}

====[option title (e.g. Option 1)]: [brief summary of option]====
'''Deadline''': {{subst:#time:F j, Y|+2 weeks}}, 23:59 GMT

=====Support=====
#{{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}} Per proposal.

=====Oppose=====

====[option title (e.g. Option 2)]: [brief summary of option]====
'''Deadline''': {{subst:#time:F j, Y|+2 weeks}}, 23:59 GMT

=====Support=====
#{{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}} Per proposal.

=====Oppose=====

====[option title (e.g. Option 3)]: [brief summary of option]====
'''Deadline''': {{subst:#time:F j, Y|+2 weeks}}, 23:59 GMT

=====Support=====
#{{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}} Per proposal.

=====Oppose=====

====Comments ([brief proposal title])====

Talk page proposals

Proposals concerning a single page or a limited group of pages are held on the most relevant talk page regarding the matter. All of the above proposal rules also apply to talk page proposals. Place {{TPP}} under the section's heading, and once the proposal is over, replace the template with {{settled TPP}}. Proposals dealing with a large amount of splits, merges, or deletions across the wiki should still be held on this page.

All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom) using {{ongoing TPP}}. Include a brief description of the proposal while also mentioning any pages affected by it, a link to the talk page housing the discussion, and the deadline. If the proposal involves a page that is not yet made, use {{fake link}} to communicate its title in the description. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links.

List of ongoing talk page proposals

Unimplemented proposals

Proposals

Break alphabetical order in enemy lists to list enemy variants below their base form, EvieMaybe (ended May 21, 2024)
Standardize sectioning for Super Mario series game articles, Nintendo101 (ended July 3, 2024)
^ NOTE: Not yet integrated for the Super Mario Maker titles and Super Mario Run.
Create new sections for gallery pages to cover "unused/pre-release/prototype/etc." graphics separate from the ones that appear in the finalized games, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 2, 2024)
Add film and television ratings to Template:Ratings, TheUndescribableGhost (ended October 1, 2024)
Use the classic and classic link templates when discussing classic courses in Mario Kart Tour, YoYo (ended October 2, 2024)
Clarify coverage of the Super Smash Bros. series, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended October 17, 2024)
Remove all subpage and redirect links from all navigational templates, JanMisali (ended October 31, 2024)
Prioritize MESEN/NEStopia palette for NES sprites and screenshots, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended November 3, 2024)
Allow English names from closed captions, Koopa con Carne (ended November 12, 2024)
^ NOTE: A number of names coming from closed captions are listed here.
Split off the Mario Kart Tour template(s), MightyMario (ended November 24, 2024)
Split major RPG appearances of recurring locations, EvieMaybe (ended December 16, 2024)
Organize "List of implied" articles, EvieMaybe (ended January 12, 2025)
Split Mario & Luigi badges and remaining accessories, Camwoodstock (ended February 1, 2025)
Merge Chef Torte and Apprentice (Torte), Camwoodstock (ended February 3, 2025)
Merge the Ancient Beanbean Civilizations to List of implied species, Camwoodstock (ended February 13, 2025)

Talk page proposals

Split all the clothing, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 12, 2021)
Split machine parts, Robo-Rabbit, and flag from Super Duel Mode, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 30, 2022)
Make bestiary list pages for the Minion Quest and Bowser Jr.'s Journey modes, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended January 11, 2024)
Allow separate articles for Diddy Kong Pilot (2003)'s subjects, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended August 3, 2024)
Create articles for specified special buildings in Super Mario Run, Salmancer (ended November 15, 2024)
Expand and rename List of characters by game to List of characters by first appearance, Hewer (ended November 20, 2024)
Merge False Character and Fighting Polygon/Wireframe/Alloy/Mii Teams into List of Super Smash Bros. series bosses, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended December 2, 2024)
Merge Wiggler Family to Dimble Wood, Camwoodstock (ended January 11, 2025)
Split the Ink Bomb, Camwoodstock (ended January 12, 2025)
Create a catch-all Poltergust article, Blinker (ended January 21, 2025)
Merge the two Clawing for More articles, Salmancer (ended January 27, 2025)
Merge Dangan Mario to Invincible Mario, PrincessPeachFan (ended January 30, 2025)
Give the Cluck-A-Pop Prizes articles, Camwoodstock (ended January 31, 2025)
Reverse the proposal to trim White Shy Guy, Waluigi Time (ended February 8, 2025)
Split Animal Crossing (game), Kaptain Skurvy (ended February 12, 2025)

Writing guidelines

None at the moment.

New features

None at the moment.

Removals

None at the moment.

Changes

Include italics for category page titles for media that normally uses it

Shouldn't category pages for media that uses italics (such as games, shows, movies, etc.) use italics for their category pages? I did start adding it to some pages already, but I thought it was worth proposing about it, possibly to make it policy. I feel like italics should be used though, as it is used everywhere else. For example, the page titled Category:Donkey Kong 64 should be Category:Donkey Kong 64.

Proposer: Kaptain Skurvy (talk)
Deadline: February 20, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Support

  1. Kaptain Skurvy (talk) Per proposal.
  2. Camwoodstock (talk) Wait, this isn't already policy??? We think this lack of parity speaks a lot to how neglected categories can be in some regards. While yes, the category description isn't really meant to be the main point, we don't think slightly slanted text is distracting from the actual list of articles in the category, and just because categories are more utility than text doesn't excuse the text that is there looking below the standard of a usual article for being "lesser".
  3. Super Mario RPG (talk) Nothing wrong with having more consistency around the wiki.
  4. GuntherBayBeee (talk) Per all.
  5. Salmancer (talk) It is easier to figure out what the standards are from context alone when the standards are applied in every instance.

Oppose

  1. Nintendo101 (talk) Categories are supposed to provide simple, direct, and utilitarian functions, not something to be read or presented to readers. I don't think italicizing them is necessary and would detract from their simplicity.
  2. Sparks (talk) Per Nintendo101. It doesn't feel necessary.
  3. OmegaRuby (talk) What is this supposed to change, exactly? Yes, it's in line with how pages about games are to have the subject italicized, but the change feels unneeded and especially arduous to implement for pretty much no reason. Per Nintendo101.
  4. SolemnStormcloud (talk) Per all.
  5. Rykitu (talk) Per Nintendo101

Comments

@Nintendo101: In that case, why do we italicise game titles in category descriptions? (Genuine question, I'm undecided on this proposal.) Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 08:58, February 7, 2025 (EST)

Because that is a proper sentence. It is not the tool itself. - Nintendo101 (talk) 20:15, February 7, 2025 (EST)
We mean... Wiki policy is to italicize game titles on their articles' names using {{Italic title}}, too, and those aren't proper sentences. They're article names. Camwoodstock-sigicon.png~Camwoodstock (talk) 19:00, February 8, 2025 (EST)
That's not the same situation in my eyes because the articles are what the site is for. That is what we are writing and presenting to the public. Of course we would italicize those. The categories are a tool, chiefly for site editors, not readers. We do not really gain anything from italicizing their titles. If anything, I worry this would lead to a lot of work to implement, either burdening site editors, porplemontage, or both. - Nintendo101 (talk) 16:05, February 9, 2025 (EST)
So category names are just tools not meant for readers, but category descriptions aren't? Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 18:08, February 9, 2025 (EST)
The descriptions are just sentences, and I feel inclined to render those they way we would a sentence anywhere else on the site, be it on articles or in the description for image files. - Nintendo101 (talk) 19:49, February 9, 2025 (EST)
We disagree with the notion categories are more for editors and not readers; while yes, all of the categories on the front page are maintenance categories from the to-do list, the sheer quantity of proposals for categories wouldn't make sense if they were moreso for editors, rather than your average reader; moves such as the reforms for the Look-alikes categories or the Thieves category wouldn't make sense if these weren't meant to be public-facing. And of course, there are the various categories that exist for users, but do not serve a utility purpose, such as the various "users that know a given language" categories.
As for difficulty implementing, considering the recent success stories with images without descriptions and categories without descriptions having gone from 4000+ and ≈100, to 0 and 0 respectively, we have it in good faith that this wouldn't be that hard to implement. Monotonous? Yes. But difficult? It's nothing a bit of caffeine and music can't solve. Camwoodstock-sigicon.png~Camwoodstock (talk) 18:22, February 9, 2025 (EST)
Not only for editors, but chiefly for them. I don't exclude the idea of more curious readers utilizing them, but I suspect they are exceptions. I maintain that their ease of implementation is more important to the site than the formatting inconsistency. Like, are we to be expected to format category ourselves as "[[Category:Super Mario World screenshots|Category:''Super Mario World'' screenshots]]" instead of just "[[Category:Super Mario World screenshots]]" going forward? Would we do this for the articles that are in dozens of categories? Why? I would not want to do that, and I don't find the inconsistency a good enough reason to roll something like that out, and only brings downsides. It makes the tool where one types "[[Category:" almost entirely moot because we would still need to write out the whole name just to format it this way. Others are welcomed to think differently, but I personally think the way we format these names now in categories is perfectly fine. - Nintendo101 (talk) 19:49, February 9, 2025 (EST)

even if this proposal doesn't pass, i think we should use Template:Italic title in the category pages. — Super Leaf stamp from Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury.eviemaybe (talk / contributions) 10:16, February 12, 2025 (EST)

I thought that was the whole proposal. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 03:32, February 13, 2025 (EST)

Split the image quality category

Issue 1: Category:Images to be reuploaded with higher quality is a very big category, with nearly 4,000 images in it right now. Even if it's something you can help with, it's very difficult to actually find anything in here. Issue 2: All other things being equal, some types of images require specific methods or skills to get that all users may not have or be comfortable with. To aid in the overall usability of this category and make it easier for skilled users to find things they can help with, I'm proposing the following two subcategories:

  • Screenshots to be uploaded with higher quality - Most Nintendo consoles don't have the ability to take native screenshots. That's all I'll say about that.
  • Assets to be uploaded with higher quality - Sites like The Spriters Resource are helpful, but they don't have everything. Getting higher quality images requires being able to extract them from the game files and/or the ability to manipulate them afterwards. This will also include images that are currently screenshots meant to demonstrate an asset, such as File:DKCTF Donkey Icon.png.

Additionally, Template:Image-quality will be modified with an extra parameter to mark the image as a screenshot or asset and categorize them appropriately. Considering we already have the rewrite and stub categories organized for better navigation, I don't see this as an issue.

Proposer: Waluigi Time (talk)
Deadline: February 20, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Split both

  1. Waluigi Time (talk) Category:Votes to be reuploaded with a better reason
  2. Technetium (talk) Per proposal.
  3. Camwoodstock (talk) We're a little surprised a split like this hasn't happened sooner, honestly; if for no other reason than it would be nice to have it organized. Per proposal.
  4. ThePowerPlayer (talk) Per proposal.
  5. Nintendo101 (talk) Per proposal.
  6. LadySophie17 (talk) Per all, which is mostly "per proposal"s anyway
  7. EvieMaybe (talk) makes perfect sense

Only split screenshots

Only split assets

Leave image quality alone

Comments on image quality proposal

Silly question; will images that are of neither screenshots nor assets that have the image-quality tag, like scans, character art/renders, or merchandise, just remain as-is? There are already a few examples of those that are all presently tagged with image-quality, like so:

  • Scan of 3D render, colors are washed out.

    Scan of 3D render, colors are washed out.

  • Muddy scan of 2D illustration, and background cropped.

    Muddy scan of 2D illustration, and background cropped.

  • Photoshop upscaled 2D promo art.

    Photoshop upscaled 2D promo art.

  • Too small image of merchandise.

    Too small image of merchandise.

Camwoodstock-sigicon.png~Camwoodstock (talk) 15:30, February 6, 2025 (EST)

Yes, anything that doesn't fall into either of the two subcategories will stay in the main one for now. I suppose we can look into splitting it further down the road, but I singled these two out because of the higher barrier to entry and also that they seem to be the bulk of the category's contents right now. --Waluigi's head icon in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 15:37, February 6, 2025 (EST)
I think this category should also be split by the media that it appears in (e.g: Category:Game screenshots to be reuploaded with higher quality. Something similar should also be done for the Articles with unsourced foreign names category. Apikachu68 (talk) 19:50, February 6, 2025 (EST)
Almost all of the screenshots in the category right now are from games so I don't think it needs to be narrowed down further just yet. --Waluigi's head icon in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 20:09, February 6, 2025 (EST)

Change "(game)" identifier to "(arcade)" on the articles of Donkey Kong, Donkey Kong Jr. and Mario Bros.

I wouldn't consider "game" to be the best identifier for the arcade games Donkey Kong, Donkey Kong Jr. and Mario Bros. There's already a Game and Watch game that shares its title with each of the arcade games, but "Donkey Kong" is the name of various other games too! There's the tabletop game, the Game Boy game, the Nelsonic Game Watch game and the slot machine. I know the slot machine is technically an arcade game, but it's not a standard cabinet like the 1981 arcade game. "Game" is a broad identifier, especially for Donkey Kong. Shouldn't a "game" identifier only be used if there's no other game with the same name? That's why we use consoles for identifiers instead, such as Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games (Wii) and Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games (Nintendo DS).

Proposer: Kaptain Skurvy (talk)
Deadline: February 22, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Support

  1. Kaptain Skurvy (talk) Per proposal.

Oppose

  1. Nintendo101 (talk) Those articles also cover the game's release on Famicom, NES, Atari, etc., so "arcade" would not be a holistically accurate identifier.
  2. Camwoodstock (talk) Per Nintendo101; "arcade" is kind of a misnomer when the non-arcade ports are covered on them.
  3. ThePowerPlayer (talk) Per Nintendo101.
  4. PaperSplash (talk) Per ThePowerPlayer's comment.
  5. Rykitu (talk) Per all

Comments

Maybe "arcade game" would be a decent compromise? PaperSplash (talk) 18:02, February 8, 2025 (EST)

What about Dr. Mario? That game also has a separate release also called Dr. Mario.--PopitTart (talk) 18:24, February 8, 2025 (EST)

The reason why the games Donkey Kong and Dr. Mario should keep their identifier of "(game)" is because those are by far the most popular and commonly thought-of games under their respective titles; the other articles (aside from Donkey Kong on the Game Boy) are on much more obscure devices while being clearly separate from the original game. To put it another way, "Dr. Mario (game)" is what people are looking for when they think about "the game featuring Dr. Mario"; meanwhile, you'd be forgiven for not knowing that the Gamewatch Boy game even exists at all. ThePowerPlayer Slug.png ThePowerPlayer 22:15, February 8, 2025 (EST)

what about Donkey Kong (1981)? — Super Leaf stamp from Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury.eviemaybe (talk / contributions) 18:39, February 9, 2025 (EST)

That would work for Donkey Kong, but the original Mario Bros. and the arcade game of the same title were both released in 1983. jan Misali (talk · contributions) 12:49, February 12, 2025 (EST)

Standardize the use of "English", "English (United States)" and/or "English (United Kingdom)" as languages in game infoboxes

So far, the use of "English (United States)" and "English (United Kingdom)" as language identifiers in game infoboxes on this wiki has been rather inconsistent and arbitrary, to say the least. While Nintendo is typically known for providing distinct English localizations for the United States (and other English-speaking territories in the Americas) and the United Kingdom (and other territories where Commonwealth English is standard, apart from Canada), the actual differences between them, if any, have varied over time.

Historically, many Nintendo games have featured minor English text differences between their releases in the Americas and Europe/Oceania; however, these were typically not wholly separate localizations to account for the differences between American and British (or Commonwealth) English – they tended to follow American English conventions for the most part regardless. Rather, they were simple amendments made by Nintendo of Europe to Nintendo of America's existing English scripts, usually either to rectify perceived shortcomings or to modify certain terminology based on internal preferences. These versions were typically stored separately on region-specific cartridges or discs, with occasional differences in how they were labeled in internal data.

Later, during the DS, Wii, 3DS and Wii U eras, more distinct localizations specifically for the United States and United Kingdom that also accounted for regional language differences became more commonplace. However, all of the aforementioned practices have largely faded with the advent of the region-free Nintendo Switch, where games now typically release simultaneously worldwide on identical cartridges. As a result, English scripts are now more often than not also identical across regions (or at most contain only very minor differences, such as the date format used; in many cases, the date format is the only difference), though they are still almost always stored and labeled separately in internal data, typically alongside each other.

This proposal aims to determine how we should handle cases of identical or nearly identical (American) English scripts between regions when identifying languages in game infoboxes. Should we list them both as "English (United States)", simply as "English" or adhere to how they are distinguished in internal data, even when actual differences are minimal?

Proposer: PaperSplash (talk)
Deadline: February 23, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Option 1: List largely identical American English localizations only as "English (United States)"

  1. PaperSplash (talk) My third choice. I mean, when it really is just American English, I can see the argument.

Option 2: List largely identical American English localizations as simply "English"

  1. PaperSplash (talk) My first choice. I think it's the best compromise that makes the most sense, all things considered.
  2. Hewer (talk) I feel like this way is the most straightforward and accurate.
  3. CarlosYoshiBoi (talk) I mean, if it’s just the same thing and no changes (assuming it doesn’t include dates for save files), then I guess this one makes the most sense.
  4. Camwoodstock (talk) Primary option. It's the simplest, it seems reasonable enough, and is applicable across the board; while it isn't exactly in-line with how Nintendo is handling things as of the Switch era, it's reasonable enough and can easily account for pre-Switch cases very well.
  5. Jdtendo (talk) Per all. Especially if that means that we will stop using "English (United States)" for games that use a variety of English that is not specifically American and weren't even released in America such as SMBTLL or Mario & Wario.

Option 3: List both "English (United States)" and "English (United Kingdom)" if distinguished in internal data, otherwise simply list "English"

  1. PaperSplash (talk) My second choice. When internal data classifies them that way, it could make sense to follow suit...
  2. Camwoodstock (talk) Secondary choice, as this seems to be Nintendo's official methodology as of the Switch; however, this exact rationale doesn't account for situations like, say, Mario Party 8 and its infamous recall in the UK, which predates Nintendo's official distinguishing of NA English and UK English from the Switch era, leaving us at a bit of a loss for how to handle it exactly.
  3. CarlosYoshiBoi (talk) This option could also work if date formatting is different despite the game itself using the same script for the US and UK/Australia, like Mario & Luigi: Brothership.

Option 4: Do nothing

  1. CarlosYoshiBoi (talk) I’m actually surprised no one put anything in this option kind of like the title mentions “Do nothing.”

Comments

For better accuracy, "British English" should probably be "Commonwealth English." Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:13, February 8, 2025 (EST)

Noted. Though I decided to focus mainly on the terminology used in game infoboxes, as I realized this wiki's use of the term "British English" is effectively its own can of worms... PaperSplash (talk) 15:35, February 9, 2025 (EST)

I'm a bit confused what this proposal is trying to change. Is it just about terminology used in game infoboxes? Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 11:31, February 9, 2025 (EST)

In hindsight, I realized this proposal was trying to change too many things at once, so I decided to tidy things up and focus on just the game infobox terminology for now. PaperSplash (talk) 15:35, February 9, 2025 (EST)

Realistically even though Canadian English does use British/Commonwealth spelling most of the time, they just get US English spelling in games as Nintendo groups Canada with North America and their English is pretty similar to English in the US, so Nintendo products in Canada are just the same as in the US.

In this case why don’t we also just group American English and Canadian English into one and call it "North American English" even if it’s moreso mainly American English? CarlosYoshiBoi (talk) 10:45, February 11, 2025 (PST)

I'm not quite sure exactly what point you're trying to make here, but per the documentation for the "languages" template, the reason they're labeled the way they currently are in game infoboxes is because they're the primary markets American English and British/Commonwealth English localizations are made for. And for what it's worth, whenever Nintendo specifically labels "North American English" as a selectable language whether in-game or in internal data, they usually refer to the United States or US specifically, not North America/NA as a whole. PaperSplash (talk) 16:27, February 11, 2025 (EST)
I think I’m going with the fact that the English (United States) language for Nintendo is also intended for Canada (and it’s also applied onto the "Japan" and "Hong Kong/Taiwan/South Korea" regions on the Switch) despite just using American English. Kinda like with European French where although it’s just moreso referring to Standard French/French from France, it’s intended for all French-speaking regions in Europe (France, Belgium and Switzerland). CarlosYoshiBoi (talk) 14:58, February 11, 2025 (PST)

If Nintendo is also still adding English (United Kingdom) for their games despite there being almost no differences from the North American English versions aside from date or other words if needed, why do they keep American spelling? Wouldn’t it make more sense for British English spelling to be used even if it’s one of the only differences between English (United States) and English (United Kingdom)? CarlosYoshiBoi (talk) 22:00, February 12, 2025 (PST)

Less work for something ultimately unimportant, I guess? It's not like American spelling is unintelligible to non-Americans. Anyway, what does this have to do with the proposal? Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 03:39, February 13, 2025 (EST)
Just came up to me somehow on the topic of American English and British English. Not as big of a problem anyways but just hit me. CarlosYoshiBoi (talk) 7:37, February 12, 2025 (PST)
I don't work for Nintendo nor do I know anyone personally who does, so I can't exactly say for sure. But my best guess is that they simply don't feel like they need to anymore. The main problem with Nintendo not having separate US and UK English localizations before was that certain words considered offensive in the UK but not the US would show up in Nintendo of America's localizations that were also going to be largely reused in Europe, as seen with Mario Party 8 and Super Paper Mario. But now such words appear to get caught and edited out during Nintendo of America's initial English localization pass, like "welcher" in Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions, "bugger" in Super Mario RPG and "bummer" in Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door. Also, it seems that ever since at least Paper Mario: Color Splash or so, Nintendo of America and Nintendo of Europe have been working together more closely on English localizations from the start, as a couple English localization staff at NoE are now often also credited on NoA localizations and vice versa. With any potentially problematic words (regionally or otherwise) now seemingly being addressed much earlier on, there's no longer a really good reason they need to otherwise address differences between American English and British English during the localization process that would justify the extra time, effort and pay. While I'm sure it was appreciated by some, as Hewer mentioned, most people in the UK are used to reading and hearing US English and can understand it just fine (and the same goes vice versa to a lesser extent). It's not like Spanish where many Latin Americans genuinely struggle with understanding Spaniard slang and sometimes vice versa. As for why they still store UK or “EU” English scripts separately from the US ones in internal data despite being them being almost or outright entirely identical now, I think part of that is a remnant of the previous generation where more distinct localizations stored in folders labeled by both region and language was the standard (and it makes it easier for them to port over the more distinct localizations from older games whenever they bother doing so, like Mario Kart 8's for Mario Kart 8 Deluxe). But I think the other reason is to make it easy just in case something actually still needs changing between regions, most commonly the aforementioned date formats. Because that can be legitimately confusing, since they would essentially be backwards otherwise by the other region’s standards. PaperSplash (talk) 19:56, February 14, 2025 (EST)

Make Dark Mode available to everyone

Dark Mode is available to users with an account under preferences but it should be a toggle-able option for all users, even if they're not an editor. Wikipedia allows everyone regardless of role to toggle Dark Mode, so I don't see why this wiki shouldn't follow suit.

Proposer: Pizza Master (talk)
Deadline: February 27, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Support

  1. Pizza Master (talk) per.
  2. Nintendo101 (talk) nice idea, though I would prefer if Light Mode was called "Ground Mode" and Dark Mode was called "Underground Mode" for our site.
  3. Camwoodstock (talk) Wait, theme changes are unavailable to users not logged in? Just, at all? It's not just dark mode, it's any theme, since it's all on Preferences. This feels like something that, if it's possible, it shouldn't even be a proposal, it should just be added outright without vote. This is a very obvious quality-of-life change for users that don't happen to be logged in.
  4. Mushroom Head (talk)Why do we still need to create an account just to not torture your eyes when we use this wiki at night? It literally has zero effect to the users who are always logged in anyways.
  5. Rykitu (talk) Per all
  6. ThePowerPlayer (talk) The fact that this wiki has a Dark Mode and it still isn't available to everyone who uses the site is a crime.

Oppose

Comments

My question is: is it possible to enable this feature for non-logged-in visitors? I'm asking this because Dark Mode is considered a "Gadget", and not a regular MediaWiki feature. They work with JavaScript though, so I suppose it could work in some way (given we have MediaWiki:Common.js and all), but I would still ask Porplemontage (talk) if a toggleable, easily accessible Dark Mode for everyone (including non-users) is possible, if I were you. ArendLogoTransparent.pngrend (talk) (edits) 17:33, February 13, 2025 (EST)

I've asked Porple on his talk page, so we'll see when he answers. Pizza Master (talk) 17:40, February 13, 2025 (EST)
Porple's response on his talk page seems to imply that it might be possible. Pizza Master (talk)

Make about templates on New Super Mario Bros. U courses and New Super Luigi U courses link to each other instead of a disambiguation page, but keep the disambiguation page

"Where is that Star Coin in Jungle of the Giants? Oh, I’ll use Super Mario Wiki. Wait, I’m playing New Super Luigi U so it’s the counterpart Giant Swing-Along. How do I get from the Jungle’s page to Swing Along’s page? The about template should take me to… a disambig?"

What the hypothetical person above said. There’s only two courses with the code Soda Jungle-1, and since Nintendo does not reuse worlds in other games in the same role as worlds, the odds of there ever being a third Soda Jungle-1 are 0%. Given this is the case, if a user does go to a Mario U course when they meant a Luigi U course, having the about template point to a disambiguation page for a whopping two articles means the user has to click two times to reach the corresponding article for Luigi U. While this is a minor issue, there's a whole paragraph in MarioWiki:Naming dedicated to saving readers the clicks when searching for the most obvious topic of a group of topics that share a name. I think that philosophy should be extended to this curiosity.

We should carve out a special exception regarding the About template for this pair of games. About templates for levels from New Super Mario Bros. U and New Super Luigi U simply link to the other article, even though the articles in question do not share a name. The disambiguation page remains, because neither Soda Jungle-1 is more prominent than the other. (It also matches the relationship between Donkey Kong Country levels to Donkey Kong Land levels) As a result, this:

  • "This article is about Jungle of the Giants, a level in New Super Mario Bros. U. For other uses, see Soda Jungle-1."

becomes this:

  • "This article is about Jungle of the Giants, a level in New Super Mario Bros. U. For its New Super Luigi U counterpart, see Giant Swing-Along."

And so on and so forth for all... 90 or so courses.

Proposer: Salmancer (talk)
Deadline: February 28, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Support: Link the corresponding courses together with the about template

  1. Salmancer (talk) I only have 100 seconds to beat the Luigi courses, for the love of hammers save me the click when I put in a Mario course by accident!
  2. ThePowerPlayer (talk) If there are two and only two levels that correspond to the same world name and level number (e.g. "Soda Jungle-1"), then one should just immediately link to the other, just like pages that use the {{distinguish}} template such as Slug and Vine Slime. Seeing the disambiguation page should only be necessary if someone thinks to visit "Soda Jungle-1" first without remembering the level's exact name.
  3. EvieMaybe (talk) one of those changes so obvious you question why they weren't done that way in the first place. per proposal!
  4. Rykitu (talk) Per all
  5. Ahemtoday (talk) Very sensible change to make.

Oppose: Status quo, about templates go to disambiguations.

Comments (Use {{about}} to cross-link Mario/Luigi U courses)

I know I'm on about swapping from "level" to "course". That's for another day, which is why the example doesn't change the word choice. Salmancer (talk) 18:54, February 14, 2025 (EST)

Miscellaneous

None at the moment.

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