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|'''Proposals''' can be new features (such as an extension), removal of a previously added feature that has tired out, or new policies that must be approved via [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] before any action(s) are done.
*Any user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so, not, e.g., "I like this idea!"
*"Vote" periods last for one week.
*All past proposals are [[/Archive|archived]].
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A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code <nowiki>{{User|</nowiki>''User name''<nowiki>}}</nowiki>.


This page observes the [[MarioWiki:No-Signature Policy|No-Signature Policy]].
==Writing guidelines==
===Add identifiers to near-identical titles===
Current MarioWiki writing guidelines state that articles with shared titles recieve an identifier to disambiguate between them (see: [[Mark (Mario Tennis series)|Mark (''Mario Tennis'' series)]] and [[Mark (NES Open Tournament Golf)|Mark (''NES Open Tournament Golf'')]]). However, this currently relies on the articles sharing an identical, character-by-character name. This means [[Color coin]] (''Super Mario Run'') and [[Colored coin]] (''Wario Land 3'') do not recieve identifiers, despite sharing functionally identical titles. Other sets of articles with the same dilemma include [[Secret Course 1]] (''Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins'') and [[Secret Course 01]] (''Super Mario Run''), [[Spyguy]] (''Mario vs. Donkey Kong 2: March of the Minis'') and [[Spy Guy]] (''Paper Mario''), and [[Rollin' Down the River]] (''Yoshi's Woolly World'') and [[Rolling Down the River]] (''The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!'').  


<h2 style="color:black">How To</h2>
This proposal aims to amend [[MarioWiki:Naming]] to consider near-identical titles like these as "shared titles", and thus qualify for recieving an identifier according to the established criteria. This is already applied in some articles, but this proposal aims to formalize it as part of the naming rules.
#If users have an idea about improving the wiki or managing its community, but feel that they need community approval before acting upon that idea, they may make a proposal about it. They must have a strong argument supporting their idea and be willing to discuss it in detail with the other users, who will then vote about whether or not they think the idea should be used. Proposals should include links to all relevant pages and [[MarioWiki:Writing Guideline|Writing Guideline]] proposals ''must'' include a link to the draft page.
#Proposals end at the end of the day (23:59) one week after voting starts, except for Writing Guidelines and Talk Page Proposals, which run for two weeks. ('''All times GMT.''')
#*For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, the voting starts immediately and the deadline is one week later on Monday, August 8, at 23:59 GMT.
#Every vote should have a reason accompanying it. Agreeing with or seconding a previously mentioned reason given by another user is accepted.
#Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the Comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may '''not''' remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. Voters can remove or rewrite their own vote at any time, but the final decision to remove another user's vote lies solely with the [[MarioWiki:Administrators|administrators]].
#If a user makes a vote and is subsequently blocked for any amount of time, their vote is removed. However, if the block ends before the proposal ends, then the user in question holds the right to re-cast their vote.
#No proposal can overturn the decision of a previous proposal that is less than '''4 weeks''' ('''28 days''') old.
#Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "[[Wikipedia:Quorum|NO QUORUM]]." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
#All proposals that end up in a tie will be extended for another week.
#If a proposal has more than ten votes, it can only pass or fail by a margin of '''three''' votes. If a proposal reaches the deadline and the total number of votes for each option differ by two or less votes, the deadline will be extended for another week.
#Proposals can only be extended up to three times. If a consensus has not been reached by the fourth deadline, the proposal fails and can only be re-proposed after four weeks, at the earliest.
#All proposals are archived. The original proposer must '''''take action''''' accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of an administrator, the proposer can ask for that help.
#Proposals can only be rewritten or deleted by their proposer within the first three days of their creation. However, proposers can request that their proposal be deleted by an [[MarioWiki:Administrators|administrator]] at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it. Please note that cancelled proposals must also be archived.
#If the administrators deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to remove it at any time.
#There should not be proposals about creating articles on an underrepresented or completely absent subject, unless there is major disagreement about whether the content should be included. To organize efforts about completing articles on missing subjects, try creating a [[MarioWiki:PipeProject|PipeProject]].
#Proposals cannot be made about promotions and demotions. Users can only be promoted and demoted by the will of the [[MarioWiki:Administrators|administration]].
#No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.


<h3 style="color:black">Basic Proposal and Support/Oppose Format</h3>
Note that this proposal only covers names that are '''semantically identical''', and only differ in formatting or minor word choices. [[Buzzar]] and [[Buzzer]] have extremely similar names, but they aren't semantically identical. [[Balloon Boo]] and [[Boo Balloon]] are extremely similar as well, but the word order sets them apart.
This is an example of what your proposal should look like, if you want it to be acknowledged. If you are inexperienced or unsure how to set up this format, simply copy the following and paste it into the fitting section. Then replace the [subject] - variables with information to customize your proposal, so it says what you wish. If you insert the information, be sure to <u>replace the whole variable including the squared brackets</u>, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information", not "[This is the inserted information]".
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<nowiki>===[insert a title for your Proposal here]===</nowiki><br>
<nowiki>[describe what issue this Proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the Wiki handles that issue]</nowiki>


<nowiki>'''Proposer''': {{User|[enter your username here]}}<br></nowiki><br>
'''Edit:''' Per Hewer's question and my comment below, I'd like to point out MarioWiki already does this sometimes. Pairs of near-identical names with identifiers include [[Family Basic (microgame)]] and [[Family BASIC]] (as ruled by [[Talk:Family_Basic_(microgame)#Moving_the_page|a proposal]]), [[Hot Air Balloon (Donkey Kong franchise)|Hot Air Balloon (''Donkey Kong'' franchise)]] and [[Hot-air balloon]], [[Finish line (object)]] and [[Finish Line (microgame)]], and [[Avalanche (obstacle)]] and both [[Avalanche! (Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix)|Avalanche! (''Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix'')]] and [[Avalanche! (Mario Party 4)|Avalanche! (''Mario Party 4'')]]. If this proposal doesn't pass, all of these would get their identifiers removed.
<nowiki>'''Deadline''': [insert a deadline here, 7 days after the proposal was created, at 23:59 GMT.]</nowiki>


<nowiki>====Support====</nowiki><br>
'''Proposer''': {{User|EvieMaybe}}<br>
<nowiki>#{{User|[enter your username here]}} [make a statement indicating that you support your proposal]</nowiki>
'''Deadline''': November 26, 2024, 23:59 GMT


<nowiki>====Oppose====</nowiki>
====Support====
#{{User|EvieMaybe}} per.
#{{User|Super Mario RPG}} Per proposal.


<nowiki>====Comments====</nowiki>
====Oppose====
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#{{User|Altendo}} I don't see a need for this. If the names are similar, tophats containing the other pages can be placed on the pages with similar names. Identifiers are used to identify subjects with ''identical names'', not similar names.
Users will now be able to vote on your Proposal, until the set deadline is reached. Remember, you are a user as well, so you can vote on your own Proposal just like the others.
#{{User|Hewer}} Per Altendo, this is what [[Template:Distinguish]] is for. We have to use identifiers for identical titles because the wiki can't have multiple pages with the same title, but that limitation doesn't exist if the titles are just similar. This would make the titles longer than they need to be, and I could also see this leading to disagreements about what's similar enough to count, if the examples are anything to go by. Easier to stick to the objectivity of only giving identical names identifiers. The proposal also doesn't specify what the "some articles" are where this has already been done, but I'm assuming they should be changed.
#{{User|Ray Trace}} Per Hewer.
#{{User|Dine2017}} Per Hewer & I'd like to see the use of identifier kept to a minimum because it simplifies typing (URL, wikicode, etc.)
#{{User|SeanWheeler}} Per Hewer. No need to extend the title just because of a couple letter difference. The identifiers are there for identical titles because it's impossible for wikipages to have the same name.
#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Per Hewer. Making this change would only cause more confusion, not less.


To support, or oppose, just insert "<nowiki>#{{User|[add your username here]}}</nowiki> at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on another user's Proposal. If you are voting on your own Proposal, you can just say "Per my Proposal".
====Comments====
I'm not sure why this is a problem in the first place, can you please elaborate? --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 12:13, November 11, 2024 (EST)
:i just find it a bit unreasonable to expect people to remember the difference between two names that are identical in all but formatting, or essentially irrelevant word choice differences (in the case of Color coin and Colored coin, which have also been). this is especially true while editing; i had to verify whether Secret Course 1 was the SML2 one or the SMR one when writing the [[Secret exit]] article. without resorting to a literal, robotic interpretation of the rules, all of the articles i mentioned have functionally "the same name" as their pair, and there is precedent for adding identifiers to article names like these. [[Family Basic (microgame)]] recieved a differentiatior because a mere capitalization difference from [[Family BASIC]] [[Talk:Family_Basic_(microgame)#Moving_the_page|was deemed unreasonable]]. folks in the MarioWiki Discord server agreed with me when i asked if i should rename [[Hot Air Balloon (Donkey Kong franchise)]] (previously just "Hot Air Balloon", with no hyphen and Air capitalized) to differentiate it from [[Hot-air balloon]]. [[Avalanche (obstacle)]] has an identifier to separate it from [[Avalanche! (Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix)]] and [[Avalanche! (Mario Party 4)]], even though both of them have exclamation marks. [[Finish line (object)]] and [[Finish Line (microgame)]] get identifiers, even though they're capitalized differently. this is something we already do, the aim here is just to formalize it. [[User:EvieMaybe|EvieMaybe]] ([[User talk:EvieMaybe|talk]]) 14:51, November 11, 2024 (EST)
::This proposal passing wouldn't mean you no longer have to check whether it's Secret Course 1 or 01, it'd just mean you now have to type an unnecessary identifier and pipe link it as well. I'd say it's different for finish line and Family BASIC where the only difference between titles is casing, as the search function on the wiki is case insensitive (and also, that proposal made [[Family Basic]] a redirect to [[Family BASIC]], so an identifier is still needed to distinguish from that). But in the other cases, we don't need the identifier. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 15:49, November 11, 2024 (EST)


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==New features==
===Create articles for Glohm enemies or merge them with their normal counterparts===
{{early notice|November 28}}
I'm currently contributing to ''[[Mario & Luigi: Brothership]]'' content, and I'm currently creating articles for enemies in the game. It has been brought to my attention that [[Glohm]] enemies are basically stronger versions of preexisting enemies, although they have unique characteristics.


<center><span style="font-size:200%">CURRENTLY: '''{{#time: H:i, d M Y}} (GMT)'''</span></center>
This proposal aims to determine whether or not Glohm enemies get their own articles. So, there are two choices for when Glohm enemy coverage eventually occurs:


1. '''Glohm enemies get their own articles.''' They get their own dedicated pages.


2. '''Glohm enemy coverage is limited to the articles for their normal counterparts.''' This means all Glohm related information for them is explained for the normal versions of the enemies.


<br>
Let's see what happens!
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<h2 style="color:black">Talk Page Proposals</h2>
'''Proposer''': {{User|Sparks}}<br>
All proposals dealing with a single article or a specific group of articles are held on the talk page of one of the articles in question. Proposals dealing with massive amounts of splits, merges or deletions across the Wiki should still be held on this page.
'''Deadline''': December 5, 2024, 23:59 GMT


:''For a list of all settled Talk Page Proposals, see [[:Category:Settled Talk Page Proposals|here]].''
====Create new articles for Glohm enemies====
#{{User|Sparks}} My preferred choice. Sure it could get repetitive and redundant, but it's worth it to document the abilities of these Glohm enemies.
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} We give articles to [[Elite Dry Bones|other stronger]] [[Shy Guy R|RPG enemy]] [[Antasma X|and boss variants]], so why should Brothership be any different?
#{{User|Tails777}} They are stronger variants with different stats to their originals, no different from every example Camwoodstock gave. Per proposal.
#{{User|DryBonesBandit}} Per all.
#{{User|Zootalo}} The Shiny Paper versions of enemies from Paper Jam have their own articles as well; this is no different. Per all.
#{{User|Nightwicked Bowser}} Probably best for overall consistancy with a game like this one.
#{{User|Technetium}} Per all.
#{{User|Cheat-master30}} Given that some of them have specific differences in attack patterns, it seems like they should probably get unique articles.


<h3 style="color:black">How To</h3>
====Include Glohm enemy coverage on their normal counterparts' articles without creating new articles for them====
#All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom). All pages affected must be mentioned in the ''brief'' description, with the talk page housing the discussion linked to directly via "({{fakelink|Discuss}})". If the proposal involved a page that is not yet made, use {{tem|fakelink}} to communicate its title. The '''Deadline''' must also be included in the entry. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links. Place {{tem|TPP}} under the heading.
#All rules for talk page proposals are the same as mainspace proposals (see the "How To" section above), with the exceptions made by Rules 3 and 4 as follows:
#Voting in talk page proposals will be open for two weeks, not one. ('''All times GMT.''')
#*For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, it ends two weeks later on Monday, August 15, 2011, at 23:59 GMT.
#Talk page proposals may be closed by the proposer at any time if both the support ''and'' the oppose sides each have fewer than five votes.
#The talk page proposal '''must''' pertain to the article it is posted on.


===List of Talk Page Proposals===
====Comments====
*Make pages for beta items in Paper Mario/Beta elements ([[Talk:Paper Mario/Beta elements#Proposal: Make pages for beta items.|Discuss]]) '''Deadline''': August 15, 2011, 23:59 GMT
{{@|Zootalo}} The Paper Jam shiny enemies are not split, but the Sticker Star ones are. {{Unsigned|Nightwicked Bowser}}
*Move [[Red and Green (Super Paper Mario)]] to Red and Green ([[Talk:Red and Green (Super Paper Mario)|Discuss]]) '''Deadline''': August 16, 2011, 23:59 GMT
*Move [[Wii]] to [[Nintendo Wii]] ([[Talk:Wii|Discuss]]) '''Deadline''': August 18, 2011, 23:59 GMT
*Split Cursed Jar from [[Lucky Jar]] ([[Talk:Lucky Jar|Discuss]]) <s>'''Deadline''': August 4, 2011, 23:59 GMT</s> '''Extended''': <s>August 11, 2011, 23:59 GMT</s> August 18, 2011 23:59 GMT
*Merge [[Bomb Seed]] with [[Feed and Seed]] ([[Talk:Bomb Seed|Discuss]]) '''Deadline''': August 26, 2011, 23:59 GMT
*Delete and/or Merge [[Mario's Glove]] ([[Talk:Mario's Glove|Discuss]]) '''Deadline''': August 26, 2011, 23:59 GMT


==Writing Guidelines==
Kinda torn to be honest. I voted yes because some of them have specific differences from their regular counterparts (Glohm Floopfly Rs and Glohm Soreboars always explode once defeated for example), but then we've got the weird situation of trying to figure out what exactly you'd include on a page for the enemies without these things, like the Glohm Palookas (which as far as I know, look and act almost identically to their standard counterparts). --[[User:Cheat-master30|Cheat-master30]] ([[User talk:Cheat-master30|talk]]) 22:30, November 23, 2024 (EST)
''None at the moment.
:In fairness, this could also be said about many other stronger variants of enemies. The only real difference between a Goomba and Gloomba are the color schemes, in a similar way to how the only difference between a Palooka and a Glohm Palooka is the darker coloration and Glohmy aura. It's kinda just a natural thing for most stronger variants (not all mind you, but most). {{User:Tails777/sig}}
 
==New Features==
''None at the moment.


==Removals==
==Removals==
''None at the moment.
''None at the moment.''


==Changes==
==Changes==
===SmashWiki===
===Tag images of bind-posing models for reuploading===
Since the game Super Smash Bros. has a similar name with Super Mario Bros., people thought it was a Mario title. So people created a Super Smash Bros. page on MarioWiki. Then someone created a number of useless articles such as [[Zelda]] and [[Lucario]]. MarioWiki should not have articles about Pokemon and Zelda, that is the work of Bulbapedia and ZeldaWiki.  There is even a SmashWiki to hold Super Smash Bros. information. All of the info in MarioWiki on Super Smash Bros. should be about Mario characters only. We should remove all Pokemon and Zelda articles.
It's been two years since [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/69#Do not use t-posing models as infobox images|the previous proposal]] had passed. Now let's talk about tagging images of bind-posing models for reuploading. Take [https://www.models-resource.com/resources/big_icons/4/3950.png?updated=1673644745 this image] for example. As you can see, this image is a bind-posing model. Once this proposal passes, we'll be able to tag every bind-posing model with this:


'''Proposer''': {{User|leetc}}<br>
{{tem|image-quality|Bind-posing model; should be replaced with a rendered game model}}
'''Deadline''': August 19, 2011, 23:59 GMT


====Support====
That way, if a bind-posing model is reuploaded as a rendered game model that serves as a replacement, we'll be able to reuse it as an infobox image.
#{{User|Leetc}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Wii Fan}} Per Proposal.
 
====Oppose====
#{{User|Goomba's Shoe15}} We have these articles cause their mandated by are coverage policy which i believe calls the Super Smash Bros. series a spin off of the Mario Series. And we've had this conversation before both on this wiki and on the NIWA forums themselves and we always come to the same decision so per those fights and per our coverage policy
#{{User|Zero777}} One, offensive, two, I think the Smash Wiki copied and altered the info originally from the Mario Wiki, and your proposal isn't done right, and three, Per Goomba's Shoe15.
#{{User|Lakituthequick}} The Super Smash Bros. series are sort of spin off, and for that reason all the characters have to be on THIS site too. Per first two.
#{{User|Yoshiwaker}} - Per above and the opposers of [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive#DK_Wiki|this proposal]], since these are basically the same proposal with different targets.
#{{User|Superfiremario}} SSB includes Mario, plus we cover Zelda, Pokemon and that stuff.
#{{User|Super Mario Bros.}} &ndash; To remove our ''Super Smash Bros.'' content is to remove our status as a wiki aiming to completely cover the ''Mario'' franchise. The ''Super Smash Bros.'' series is a crossover of many games: we do not have complete coverage on the characters that are not a part of the general ''Mario'' series, but our [[MarioWiki:Coverage|Coverage Policy]] clearly dictates that we cover crossover games that feature ''Mario'', ''Donkey Kong'', ''Yoshi'', and/or ''Wario'' characters in them. SmashWiki is likely to cover ''Super Smash Bros.'' far more in-depth than we do, and we even link to them in our articles (and will continue to link to them as they are a [[MarioWiki:Nintendo Independent Wiki Alliance|Nintendo Independent Wiki Alliance]] member). There is then no need to remove our coverage, as we do reference a better source for the series throughout our wiki, yet that does not compromise our mission to completely cover our stuff. It has worked fine, and will continue to work fine.
#{{User|Reddragon19k}} I'm going with SMB on this one. If we remove that, it is all gone so, let's keep it there!
#{{User|Walkazo}} - Per SMB. Crossovers count as ''Mario'' games; we have to talk about their non-''Mario'' content as it pertains to those crossover games or we'd be missing valuable information about our series' subjects. We don't write about what goes on in the non-''Mario'' subjects' parent series (that's what interwiki linking and NIWA is for), so that shouldn't be a problem to start with. Organization-wise, I personally don't consider crossovers to be on the same tier as the overall ''Mario'', ''Yoshi'', ''Donkey Kong'' or ''Wario'' series, but the individual crossover series are just as important as the sub-series that come from these "big 4", just as alternate media is as important as games. It doesn't matter if it's a ''Super Smash Bros.'' game or a ''Paper Mario'' game or an episode of ''The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!'': if it involves ''Mario'' content, it's part of ''our'' content.
#{{User|Knife}} &ndash; We treat the SSB series just like we do the the other crossover games, which all have their own character articles as well (see: [[Knuckles]] and [[Slime]]). We can't not cover something just because we are affiliated with other wikis that cover the same subjects.
#{{User|Mariomario64}} &ndash; Per all.
#{{User|Toad85}} Have you noticed, by chance, that all of the info on the crossover pages deal with the crossovers and crossovers only?  We don't cover the series that they came from.  Per all.
#{{User|Supremo78}} - I don't know why you haven't noticed, but we cover crossovers like these.
#{{User|M&SG}} - Ditto to all statements above.
#{{User|Mario4Ever}} Per all.
#{{User|GameZone}} Um... this would be saying that we would have to remove Mario's, Dr. Mario's, Luigi's, Peach's, Donkey Kong's, Diddy Kong's, Bowser's, Yoshi's, Wario's, Mr. Game Watch's, and Sonic's Super Smash Bros. information, which all 11 characters are part of this wiki. We would also have remove stage information about (Princess) Peach's Castle, (Super Mario World:) Yoshi's Island(: Yoshi's Story), Kongo Jungle, Mushroom(y) Kingdom (II), Rainbow Cruise, Jungle Japes, Flat Zone (2), Delfino Plaza, Mario Circuit, Rumble Falls, WarioWare Inc., Smashville, PictoChat, Luigi's Mansion, 75m, Mario Bros., and Green Hill Zone, which are also important to this wiki. Oh, and we would have to remove Smash Bros. item info about Bob-ombs, Fire Flowers, Green Shells, Hammers, Red Shells, Starmen, Barrel Cannons, Flippers, Freezies, Metal Boxes, Poison Mushrooms, Super Mushroom, Bike Pieces, Golden Hammers, Hotheads, Lightning, Pitfall Seeds, Soccer Balls, Springs, and Super Scopes, as they are just as important, too. Oh, and, we would have to remove the Smash Bros. information on the Assist Trophies: Hammer Bro., Kat and Ana, Lakitu and Spinies, Little Mac, Nintendog, Shadow the Hedgehog, Stafy, and Waluigi, which are ALSO important to this wiki. So, that "upgrade" would ruin the wiki. If you want to troll, go to the StrategyWiki.
#{{User|Jazama}} Per all
#{{User|Tails777}} This is almost no different than the [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive#DK_Wiki|DK Wiki proposal]] so I'm saying the same thing here that I did on that proposal. Per all here and all the opposers of the DK proposal.
#{{User|DK and Diddy Kong vs Bowser and Bowser Jr.}} Per all.
#{{User|BoygeyMario}} Per all!


====Comments====
'''Proposer''': {{User|GuntherBayBeee}}<br>
Learn to format proposals correctly, please. - {{User|Walkazo}}
'''Deadline''': November 29, 2024, 23:59 GMT
 
'''@SFM:''' What are you talking about? We don't cover Zelda or Pokemon. {{User|Yoshiwaker}}
 
'''@Yoshiwakerwaker:''' Yes we do. We have character articles for characters from those series. {{User|Smileymiley5001}}
:We have articles for the characters who appear in the SSB games, but covering a series means having extensive information on them, like Bulbapedia and Zeldawiki with Pokemon and Legend of Zelda. {{User|Yoshiwaker}}
'''@GameZone''' we would still cover information that is about Mario in the Smash series we just wouldn't have articles on characters like Ike or Meta Knight we would keep any article that was impacted by or directly from the Mario series. Also this mans not a troll some people do not believe we should cover the Smash Bros. series and he's got every right to propose we don't with out being called a troll just like how we as a wiki have every right to decide we do want to cover the Smash Bros. series with out being called trolls {{User|Goomba's Shoe15}}
 
'''@Leetc''' I will not remove Super Smash Bros. info on Mario characters. I will only remove Super Smash Bros. info on [[Pokemon]] and [[Zelda]].
 
{{unsigned|leetc}}
 
And why?
 
{{User|DK and Diddy Kong vs Bowser and Bowser Jr.}}
:You know, that's an even worse idea than removing SSB from our coverage. If we're going to cover SSB in the character articles, we'd then make the game article, then we'd make articles for the other playable characters. {{User|Yoshiwaker}}
 
I'm going to quote this comment:
 
 
'''@Leetc''' I will not remove Super Smash Bros. info on Mario characters. I will only remove Super Smash Bros. info on [[Pokemon]] and [[Zelda]].
 
Well that just made this proposal look even worse. You won't remove Metroid series games info, Pikmin info, and F-Zero info. That's very inconsistent. {{User|Supremo78}}
 
===Using Another Country's Boxart===
As you can see, many articles such as (''[[New Super Mario Bros. Wii]]'', ''[[Mario Smash Football]]'', ''[[Mario Strikers Charged Football]]'') and many more game articles are using other country's boxart and naming them as in that country such as ''Mario Strikers Charged Football'' even though in America we call it (''Mario Strikers Charged'') '''No Football''' I understand that the first English country goes first but I think we should make it the American verison instead and am not saying that we take off all the information from another country but just to change the name of the game by the American verison and change the boxart of the game to the American verison only not much more if possible. 
 
'''Proposer''': {{User|Jjrapper100}}<br>
'''Deadline''': August 15, 2011, 23:59 GMT


====Support====
====Support====
#{{User|Jjrapper100}} Per my Proposal.
#{{User|GuntherBayBeee}} Per proposal
#{{User|TyphlosionBlaze}} It's confusing to American users, and see my note below for my second reason.
<s>#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Like I said in the other proposal, T-poses are generally not how characters are supposed to look. If [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/70#Prioritize MESEN/NEStopia palette for NES sprites and screenshots|this]] is any indication, the wiki should favor game accuracy in images.</s>
#{{User|Wii Fan}} Per Proposal.


====Oppose====
====Oppose====
#{{User|YoshiGo99}} We should still have some stuff about the games from different countries. It isn't completely an American wiki.
#{{User|Nintendo101}} I think it is great when users replace images of bind-posed (or "t-posed") models with organically rendered ones. It is a practice I personally encourage and welcome. However, I do think there [[:File:PiantissimoUnmasked.png|can be educational and illustrative purposes to bind-posed models]], and I think a blanket rule would put unnecessary pressure on the users of this site to render models when a bind-posed one can be more than serviceable, and may even discourage the cataloging of 3D assets in the future if a user cannot render them. Rendering models is a very time-consuming process, and I think it is healthier to just allow users to replace the bind-posed images we have ''if'' they can. Not require them to. Perfection is the enemy of the good.
#{{User|Zero777}} There's some pretty good logic why we are using the European boxart and name instead of the American, and also I believe that the other countries' boxarts are in the gallery section.
#{{User|EvieMaybe}} this seems better handled on a case-by-case basis rather than a full sweep
#{{User|Goomba's Shoe15}} per all
#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per all.
#{{User|J991}} Certainly Not! I have to agree with everyone else. This isn't ''totally'' an American wiki. Is it?
#{{User|Hewer}} Per all, a hard rule isn't necessary here.
#{{User|Lemmy Koopa617}} per all
#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Per all.
#{{User|BabyLuigiOnFire}} Our policy states that we take the first, English boxart released, which could even mean in Australia or Europe. I don't think there's anything wrong with that policy. It's not like the USA is the only English speaking country you know?
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} Per all, especially Nintendo101. Given there ''are'' scenarios where bind-posed/T-posed models are actually more illustrative than properly rigged alternatives, we should probably handle these on a case-by-case basis.
#{{User|ThirdMarioBro}} Per BLOF. <s>By the way, this proposal is better off on the Mariowiki: Proposals page.</s> Never mind, Walkazo fixed that.
#{{User|Mario}} Tag them if they're bad quality, not because they're t-posed.
#{{User|BoygeyMario}} Per All. This wiki has a lot of European users & guests.
#{{User|Jazama}}Per all. I have seen attempts like this at other wikis and they always fail because people from from around the world use the internet.
#{{User|Mario4Ever}} Per all. If you want a wiki based solely on North American naming and writing standards, go elsewhere.
#{{User|Walkazo}} - While there ''are'' organizational pros to only using one region for naming stuff, the issue keeps being turned into a political one, which just makes me shake my head. In my opinion, both Americanism and Anti-Americanism should be kept off the wiki; a purely International approach (including how we use both American and British spelling, grammar and punctuation conventions) is, plain and simply, the best way to keep things nice and unbiasedly inclusive towards ''everyone''. So, in the absence of any strong organizational/comprehensiveness-based reasoning behind such a controversial and major upheaval of our fundamental policies (as is the case here), it's best to adhere to that Internationalism - that status quo that has been serving us perfectly well for years.
#{{User|Fawfulfury65}} Per Walkazo.
#{{User|Superfiremario}} This isn't an American wiki. It's an international wiki.
#{{User|Toad85}}Per anyone who did not just say "per all".  Wikipedia uses the British spellings, why should we just use the American?  There are international users on this site.
#{{User|Super Yoshi Bros. 3}} Can you think of the time it would take to carry this out? Per all.
#{{User|Mariomario64}} &ndash; Per all, especially BabyLuigiOnFire, BogeyMario, and Walkazo. I don't see what's wrong with this.
#{{user|SWFlash}} Per [[MarioWiki:Naming]].
#{{user|Conanshinichi}} I think that is should be the boxart of the first Country that it comes out it English. Because that would make sense.
#{{User|M&SG}} - Refer to my comment below.
#{{User|Bowser's luma}} Per all.
#{{User|Reddragon19k}} Per everyone who oppose this!
#{{User|GameZone}} I have two questions about this proposal. One: '''Why on earth would you want those names changed, as all countries are different?''' Two: No one other than you would post an proposal like this. Are you ''against'' other countries? AND I shall Per Toad85.
#{{User|TurniPowerup}}Um... This wiki is international, and let's keep it that way. Per all, especially Walkazo,Toad85,BLOF,Game Zone and BogeyMario!
#{{User|Leetc}} Per all.
#{{User|Smileymiley5001}}Per all, especially BLOF.
#{{User|Paper Yoshi}} - Per Walkazo and BLOF. It keeps happening.
#{{User|Mariofanatic64}} I just find this whole proposal ignorant and America-centric. This is after all an international website.
#{{User|Tyler2513}} Per all
#{{User|MrConcreteDonkey}} - Per all. I'm British, and I'm very opposed to a completely American Wiki.
#{{User|Yoshidude99}}I'm Brtish and it would be confusing for me.


====Comments====
====Comments====
I moved this here from [[Talk:New_Super_Mario_Bros._Wii#Discuss|talk:SNMBWii]] because it is, in no way, a TPP: it is proposing we change our naming conventions, which is affects the entire database, not just that one article. I also fixed the deadline (it was originally 10 days, which isn't the proper length for TPPs or normal Proposals). The title should also be changed, since it is a misnomer: this is not just about which boxart we should use, this is about the names of our articles. - {{User|Walkazo}}
Wording should be changed to "bind pose" since not all characters are T-posed, especially non-bipeds ([https://www.models-resource.com/resources/big_icons/4/3950.png?updated=1673644745 like Yoshi from Super Smash Bros. Melee or Brawl], Wiggler, Buzzy Beetles, Piranha Plants, and more) and A-pose exists as a default pose too. In addition, models technically aren't "t-posing", they're modeled this way before animations and a rig are applied to them, the wording makes them look like they're animating when they're not. {{User:Ray Trace/sig}} 20:36, November 15, 2024 (EST)
 
@BabyLuigiOnFire<br>Where does it says that we should use the first internationl english boxart? We have no polices about it as far as I know. {{user|SWFlash}}
:We take the first English game released to be put up on the template. {{User|BabyLuigiOnFire}}
::Well, you (SWFlash) helpfully put it on [[Template:Infobox]] a couple months ago (and I tweaked the wording a bit): "''|image= Box art of the game (take the first released English-language box art)''". Also, when the First English Name proposal was enacted, replacing the images was part of the changes made to the articles that were renamed from NA titles to PAL. I'm not sure if it was said that we ''had'' to do it anywhere, but it made sense for the image to match the title, and for consistency, using the first English language boxart simply became the way things were done even if the names were the same (although I am not aware of how long that took or how many pages were updated and whatnot). - {{User|Walkazo}}
 
In order to be fair to the regions who speak English outside of North America, if a game gets released in the PAL region first, we use the PAL names.  If a game gets released in the NTSC-U region first, we use the NTSC-U names.  Since ''Mario Kart Wii'' was released in the PAL region first, we use the PAL names and PAL boxarts, while the NTSC-U names are redirects; Ex.: Flame Runner redirects to Bowser Bike.  Likewise, ''Wario Land: Shake It!'' was released in the NTSC-U region first, so we use the NTSC-U names and NTSC-U boxarts, while the PAL names are redirects. {{User|M&SG}}
 
People often use the term PAL to refer to both Europe and Australia, because the European game names, boxarts etc. are often the same as the one from Australia, but not always. In the case of [[WarioWare: Smooth Moves]], Europe got a Yellow box and Australia a Pink box. Because it released first in Europe, the European box should be used on top of the page. Don't mix it up with the Australian, just because the box also has the word PAL on it. Also don't forget that terms like PAL and NTSC only occur for home-consoles and ''not'' handhelds, since PAL and NTSC are analog television colour encoding systems. {{User|Arend}}
 
Thanks for "Per-ing" me, TurniPowerup. That was very generous and thoughtful of you. As soon as you have a page, I would like to be friends with you. :) {{User|GameZone}}
 
We could make the PAL name a redirect to the English page, and just note its PAL name in the first sentence. {{User|TyphlosionBlaze}}
:No we can't it's against are policy to do that {{User|Goomba's Shoe15}}
 
@TyphlosionBlaze: Confusing to American users? If this proposal passes, imagine how confusing it's going to be to non-American users (which is basically most of the rest of the world). {{User|MrConcreteDonkey}}
 
===Super Mario Advanced===
We have articles for [[Super Mario 64 DS]] and [[Super Mario Bros. Deluxe]] and even [[Donkey Kong Original Edition]].But why not any gamein the Super Mario Advance (series). Alot of theses games are alot diffrent than the originals. Espically the 4th.Something nees to be done.Either delete DK:The Original Edition of do whats mentioned above.Thank you.
 
'''Proposer''': {{User|Ryandavhet}}<br>
'''Deadline''':August 30, 2011, 23:59 GMT
 
====Support====
 
====Oppose====


====Comment====
Does this proposal advocate replacing these ripped models with ones that are posed from a screenshot or posed in a 3d program with ripped animation files? Not all models are ripped with animations, so it's a bit of a task to undertake if you really want models with animations AND a rig (let's not get started in lighting, which is a separate skillset that's demanded from renderers; not many people get the lighting very good, no offense!); a chunk of models tend to not have a rig, much less an animation. Additionally, some t-posed models are great to use when comparing models or viewing models ''as they are''. [[:File:MLNPC.png]] is an example where it's easy to compare the proportions of Mario, PC Luigi, and NPC Luigi. Sure, you can probably put them all in a orthographic lineup in the same keyframe of a shared animation, but due to the arms, legs, spine, and head all straightened out, it's better to illustrate in T-pose imo. {{User:Mario/sig}} 21:00, November 15, 2024 (EST)
I might be willing to support if the articles you linked to weren't red links. {{User|Reversinator}}


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Rules

  1. If users have an idea about improving the wiki or managing its community, but feel that they need community approval before acting upon that idea, they may make a proposal about it. They must have a strong argument supporting their idea and be willing to discuss it in detail with the other users, who will then vote about whether or not they think the idea should be used. Proposals should include links to all relevant pages and writing guidelines. Proposals must include a link to the draft page. Any pages that would be largely affected by the proposal should be marked with {{proposal notice}}.
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  3. Proposals end at the end of the day (23:59) two weeks after voting starts (all times GMT).
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  5. Every vote should have a strong, sensible reason accompanying it. Agreeing with a previously mentioned reason given by another user is accepted (including "per" votes), but tangential comments, heavy sarcasm, and other misleading or irrelevant quips are just as invalid as providing no reason at all.
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  7. If a user makes a vote and is subsequently blocked for any amount of time, their vote is removed. However, if the block ends before the proposal ends, then the user in question holds the right to re-cast their vote. If a proposer is blocked, their vote is removed and "(banned)" is added next to their name in the "Proposer:" line of the proposal, which runs until its deadline as normal. If the proposal passes, it falls to the supporters of the idea to enact any changes in a timely manner.
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  11. If a proposal reaches its deadline and there is a tie for first place, then the proposal is extended for another week.
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Basic proposal and support/oppose format

This is an example of what your proposal must look like, if you want it to be acknowledged. If you are inexperienced or unsure how to set up this format, simply copy the following and paste it into the fitting section. Then replace the [subject] - variables with information to customize your proposal, so it says what you wish. If you insert the information, be sure to replace the whole variable including the squared brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information", not "[This is the inserted information]". Proposals presenting multiple alternative courses of action can have more than two voting options, but what each voting section is supporting must be clearly defined. Such options should also be kept to a minimum, and if something comes up in the comments, the proposal can be amended as necessary.

===[insert a title for your proposal here]===
[describe what issue this proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the wiki handles that issue]

'''Proposer''': {{User|[enter your username here]}}<br>
'''Deadline''': [insert a deadline here, 14 days after the proposal was created, at 23:59 GMT, in the format: "November 26, 2024, 23:59 GMT"]

====Support====
#{{User|[enter your username here]}} [make a statement indicating that you support your proposal]

====Oppose====

====Comments====

Users will now be able to vote on your proposal, until the set deadline is reached. Remember, you are a user as well, so you can vote on your own proposal just like the others.

To support, or oppose, just insert "#{{User|[add your username here]}}" at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on another user's proposal. If you are voting on your own proposal, you can just say "Per my proposal".

Talk page proposals

Proposals concerning a single page or a limited group of pages are held on the most relevant talk page regarding the matter. Place {{TPP}} under the section's header, and once the proposal is over, replace the template with {{settled TPP}}. Proposals dealing with a large amount of splits, merges, or deletions across the wiki should still be held on this page.

All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom) using {{TPP discuss}}. Include a brief description of the proposal while also mentioning any pages affected by it, a link to the talk page housing the discussion, and the deadline. If the proposal involves a page that is not yet made, use {{fake link}} to communicate its title in the description. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links.

List of ongoing talk page proposals

Unimplemented proposals

Proposals

Break alphabetical order in enemy lists to list enemy variants below their base form, EvieMaybe (ended May 21, 2024)
Standardize sectioning for Super Mario series game articles, Nintendo101 (ended July 3, 2024)
^ NOTE: Not yet integrated for the Super Mario Maker titles, Super Mario Run, and Super Mario Bros. Wonder.
Create new sections for gallery pages to cover "unused/pre-release/prototype/etc." graphics separate from the ones that appear in the finalized games, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 2, 2024)
Add film and television ratings to Template:Ratings, TheUndescribableGhost (ended October 1, 2024)
Use the classic and classic-link templates when discussing classic courses in Mario Kart Tour, YoYo (ended October 2, 2024)
Split articles for the alternate-named reskins from All Night Nippon: Super Mario Bros., Doc von Schmeltwick (ended October 3, 2024)
Clarify coverage of the Super Smash Bros. series, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended October 17, 2024)
Remove all subpage and redirect links from all navigational templates, JanMisali (ended October 31, 2024)
Prioritize MESEN/NEStopia palette for NES sprites and screenshots, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended November 3, 2024)
Stop considering reused voice clips as references (usually), Waluigi Time (ended November 8, 2024)
Allow English names from closed captions, Koopa con Carne (ended November 12, 2024)
^ NOTE: A number of names coming from closed captions are listed here.
Split off the Mario Kart Tour template(s), MightyMario (ended November 24, 2024)

Talk page proposals

Split all the clothing, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 12, 2021)
Split machine parts, Robo-Rabbit, and flag from Super Duel Mode, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 30, 2022)
Make bestiary list pages for the Minion Quest and Bowser Jr.'s Journey modes, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended January 11, 2024)
Allow separate articles for Diddy Kong Pilot (2003)'s subjects, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended August 3, 2024)
Split Banana Peel from Banana, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 18, 2024)
Merge Spiked Thwomp with Thwomp, Blinker (ended November 2, 2024)
Create articles for specified special buildings in Super Mario Run, Salmancer (ended November 15, 2024)
Expand and rename List of characters by game to List of characters by first appearance, Hewer (ended November 20, 2024)
Create articles for "Ashita ni Nattara" and "Banana Tengoku" or list them in List of Donkey Kong Country (television series) songs, Starluxe (ended November 23, 2024)

Writing guidelines

Add identifiers to near-identical titles

Current MarioWiki writing guidelines state that articles with shared titles recieve an identifier to disambiguate between them (see: Mark (Mario Tennis series) and Mark (NES Open Tournament Golf)). However, this currently relies on the articles sharing an identical, character-by-character name. This means Color coin (Super Mario Run) and Colored coin (Wario Land 3) do not recieve identifiers, despite sharing functionally identical titles. Other sets of articles with the same dilemma include Secret Course 1 (Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins) and Secret Course 01 (Super Mario Run), Spyguy (Mario vs. Donkey Kong 2: March of the Minis) and Spy Guy (Paper Mario), and Rollin' Down the River (Yoshi's Woolly World) and Rolling Down the River (The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!).

This proposal aims to amend MarioWiki:Naming to consider near-identical titles like these as "shared titles", and thus qualify for recieving an identifier according to the established criteria. This is already applied in some articles, but this proposal aims to formalize it as part of the naming rules.

Note that this proposal only covers names that are semantically identical, and only differ in formatting or minor word choices. Buzzar and Buzzer have extremely similar names, but they aren't semantically identical. Balloon Boo and Boo Balloon are extremely similar as well, but the word order sets them apart.

Edit: Per Hewer's question and my comment below, I'd like to point out MarioWiki already does this sometimes. Pairs of near-identical names with identifiers include Family Basic (microgame) and Family BASIC (as ruled by a proposal), Hot Air Balloon (Donkey Kong franchise) and Hot-air balloon, Finish line (object) and Finish Line (microgame), and Avalanche (obstacle) and both Avalanche! (Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix) and Avalanche! (Mario Party 4). If this proposal doesn't pass, all of these would get their identifiers removed.

Proposer: EvieMaybe (talk)
Deadline: November 26, 2024, 23:59 GMT

Support

  1. EvieMaybe (talk) per.
  2. Super Mario RPG (talk) Per proposal.

Oppose

  1. Altendo (talk) I don't see a need for this. If the names are similar, tophats containing the other pages can be placed on the pages with similar names. Identifiers are used to identify subjects with identical names, not similar names.
  2. Hewer (talk) Per Altendo, this is what Template:Distinguish is for. We have to use identifiers for identical titles because the wiki can't have multiple pages with the same title, but that limitation doesn't exist if the titles are just similar. This would make the titles longer than they need to be, and I could also see this leading to disagreements about what's similar enough to count, if the examples are anything to go by. Easier to stick to the objectivity of only giving identical names identifiers. The proposal also doesn't specify what the "some articles" are where this has already been done, but I'm assuming they should be changed.
  3. Ray Trace (talk) Per Hewer.
  4. Dine2017 (talk) Per Hewer & I'd like to see the use of identifier kept to a minimum because it simplifies typing (URL, wikicode, etc.)
  5. SeanWheeler (talk) Per Hewer. No need to extend the title just because of a couple letter difference. The identifiers are there for identical titles because it's impossible for wikipages to have the same name.
  6. ThePowerPlayer (talk) Per Hewer. Making this change would only cause more confusion, not less.

Comments

I'm not sure why this is a problem in the first place, can you please elaborate? --Waluigi's head icon in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 12:13, November 11, 2024 (EST)

i just find it a bit unreasonable to expect people to remember the difference between two names that are identical in all but formatting, or essentially irrelevant word choice differences (in the case of Color coin and Colored coin, which have also been). this is especially true while editing; i had to verify whether Secret Course 1 was the SML2 one or the SMR one when writing the Secret exit article. without resorting to a literal, robotic interpretation of the rules, all of the articles i mentioned have functionally "the same name" as their pair, and there is precedent for adding identifiers to article names like these. Family Basic (microgame) recieved a differentiatior because a mere capitalization difference from Family BASIC was deemed unreasonable. folks in the MarioWiki Discord server agreed with me when i asked if i should rename Hot Air Balloon (Donkey Kong franchise) (previously just "Hot Air Balloon", with no hyphen and Air capitalized) to differentiate it from Hot-air balloon. Avalanche (obstacle) has an identifier to separate it from Avalanche! (Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix) and Avalanche! (Mario Party 4), even though both of them have exclamation marks. Finish line (object) and Finish Line (microgame) get identifiers, even though they're capitalized differently. this is something we already do, the aim here is just to formalize it. EvieMaybe (talk) 14:51, November 11, 2024 (EST)
This proposal passing wouldn't mean you no longer have to check whether it's Secret Course 1 or 01, it'd just mean you now have to type an unnecessary identifier and pipe link it as well. I'd say it's different for finish line and Family BASIC where the only difference between titles is casing, as the search function on the wiki is case insensitive (and also, that proposal made Family Basic a redirect to Family BASIC, so an identifier is still needed to distinguish from that). But in the other cases, we don't need the identifier. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 15:49, November 11, 2024 (EST)

New features

Create articles for Glohm enemies or merge them with their normal counterparts

Based on the early vote, this proposal may be eligible to close one week early. Please use {{proposal check|early=yes}} on November 28 at 23:59 GMT and close the proposal if applicable.

I'm currently contributing to Mario & Luigi: Brothership content, and I'm currently creating articles for enemies in the game. It has been brought to my attention that Glohm enemies are basically stronger versions of preexisting enemies, although they have unique characteristics.

This proposal aims to determine whether or not Glohm enemies get their own articles. So, there are two choices for when Glohm enemy coverage eventually occurs:

1. Glohm enemies get their own articles. They get their own dedicated pages.

2. Glohm enemy coverage is limited to the articles for their normal counterparts. This means all Glohm related information for them is explained for the normal versions of the enemies.

Let's see what happens!

Proposer: Sparks (talk)
Deadline: December 5, 2024, 23:59 GMT

Create new articles for Glohm enemies

  1. Sparks (talk) My preferred choice. Sure it could get repetitive and redundant, but it's worth it to document the abilities of these Glohm enemies.
  2. Camwoodstock (talk) We give articles to other stronger RPG enemy and boss variants, so why should Brothership be any different?
  3. Tails777 (talk) They are stronger variants with different stats to their originals, no different from every example Camwoodstock gave. Per proposal.
  4. DryBonesBandit (talk) Per all.
  5. Zootalo (talk) The Shiny Paper versions of enemies from Paper Jam have their own articles as well; this is no different. Per all.
  6. Nightwicked Bowser (talk) Probably best for overall consistancy with a game like this one.
  7. Technetium (talk) Per all.
  8. Cheat-master30 (talk) Given that some of them have specific differences in attack patterns, it seems like they should probably get unique articles.

Include Glohm enemy coverage on their normal counterparts' articles without creating new articles for them

Comments

@Zootalo The Paper Jam shiny enemies are not split, but the Sticker Star ones are.
The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nightwicked Bowser (talk).

Kinda torn to be honest. I voted yes because some of them have specific differences from their regular counterparts (Glohm Floopfly Rs and Glohm Soreboars always explode once defeated for example), but then we've got the weird situation of trying to figure out what exactly you'd include on a page for the enemies without these things, like the Glohm Palookas (which as far as I know, look and act almost identically to their standard counterparts). --Cheat-master30 (talk) 22:30, November 23, 2024 (EST)

In fairness, this could also be said about many other stronger variants of enemies. The only real difference between a Goomba and Gloomba are the color schemes, in a similar way to how the only difference between a Palooka and a Glohm Palooka is the darker coloration and Glohmy aura. It's kinda just a natural thing for most stronger variants (not all mind you, but most). Sprite of Yoshi's stock icon from Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Tails777 Talk to me!Sprite of Daisy's stock icon from Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

Removals

None at the moment.

Changes

Tag images of bind-posing models for reuploading

It's been two years since the previous proposal had passed. Now let's talk about tagging images of bind-posing models for reuploading. Take this image for example. As you can see, this image is a bind-posing model. Once this proposal passes, we'll be able to tag every bind-posing model with this:

{{image-quality|Bind-posing model; should be replaced with a rendered game model}}

That way, if a bind-posing model is reuploaded as a rendered game model that serves as a replacement, we'll be able to reuse it as an infobox image.

Proposer: GuntherBayBeee (talk)
Deadline: November 29, 2024, 23:59 GMT

Support

  1. GuntherBayBeee (talk) Per proposal

#ThePowerPlayer (talk) Like I said in the other proposal, T-poses are generally not how characters are supposed to look. If this is any indication, the wiki should favor game accuracy in images.

Oppose

  1. Nintendo101 (talk) I think it is great when users replace images of bind-posed (or "t-posed") models with organically rendered ones. It is a practice I personally encourage and welcome. However, I do think there can be educational and illustrative purposes to bind-posed models, and I think a blanket rule would put unnecessary pressure on the users of this site to render models when a bind-posed one can be more than serviceable, and may even discourage the cataloging of 3D assets in the future if a user cannot render them. Rendering models is a very time-consuming process, and I think it is healthier to just allow users to replace the bind-posed images we have if they can. Not require them to. Perfection is the enemy of the good.
  2. EvieMaybe (talk) this seems better handled on a case-by-case basis rather than a full sweep
  3. Waluigi Time (talk) Per all.
  4. Hewer (talk) Per all, a hard rule isn't necessary here.
  5. ThePowerPlayer (talk) Per all.
  6. Camwoodstock (talk) Per all, especially Nintendo101. Given there are scenarios where bind-posed/T-posed models are actually more illustrative than properly rigged alternatives, we should probably handle these on a case-by-case basis.
  7. Mario (talk) Tag them if they're bad quality, not because they're t-posed.

Comments

Wording should be changed to "bind pose" since not all characters are T-posed, especially non-bipeds (like Yoshi from Super Smash Bros. Melee or Brawl, Wiggler, Buzzy Beetles, Piranha Plants, and more) and A-pose exists as a default pose too. In addition, models technically aren't "t-posing", they're modeled this way before animations and a rig are applied to them, the wording makes them look like they're animating when they're not. BabyLuigiFire.pngRay Trace(T|C) 20:36, November 15, 2024 (EST)

Does this proposal advocate replacing these ripped models with ones that are posed from a screenshot or posed in a 3d program with ripped animation files? Not all models are ripped with animations, so it's a bit of a task to undertake if you really want models with animations AND a rig (let's not get started in lighting, which is a separate skillset that's demanded from renderers; not many people get the lighting very good, no offense!); a chunk of models tend to not have a rig, much less an animation. Additionally, some t-posed models are great to use when comparing models or viewing models as they are. File:MLNPC.png is an example where it's easy to compare the proportions of Mario, PC Luigi, and NPC Luigi. Sure, you can probably put them all in a orthographic lineup in the same keyframe of a shared animation, but due to the arms, legs, spine, and head all straightened out, it's better to illustrate in T-pose imo. Icon showing how many lives Mario has left. From Super Mario 64 DS. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 21:00, November 15, 2024 (EST)

Miscellaneous

None at the moment.

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