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==Writing guidelines==
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===Use the cross-generation data for the video game console generation label===
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It's been three months, seven weeks, and three days since the [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/71#Remove video game console generations|last proposal]] was vetoed by the staff. Just as [[User:Bro3256|Bro3256]] said, the video game console generations are categorized as follows within the scope of Nintendo's video game systems:
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|'''Proposals''' can be new features (such as an extension), removal of a previously added feature that has tired out, or new policies that must be approved via [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] before any action(s) are done.
*Any user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so, not, e.g., "I like this idea!"
*"Vote" periods last for one week.
*All past proposals are [[/Archive|archived]].
|}
A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code <nowiki>{{user|</nowiki>''User name''<nowiki>}}</nowiki>. '''Signing with the signature code <nowiki>~~~(~)</nowiki> is not allowed''' due to technical issues.


<h2 style="color:black">How To</h2>
;{{wp|First generation of video game consoles|First generation}}: {{iw|nwiki|Color TV-Game}}
#Actions that users feel are appropriate to have community approval first can be added by anyone, but they must have a strong argument.
;{{wp|Second generation of video game consoles|Second generation}}: [[Game & Watch]]
#Users then vote and discuss on the issue during that week. The "deadline" for the proposal is one week from posting at:
;{{wp|Third generation of video game consoles|Third generation}}: [[Family Computer]] / [[Nintendo Entertainment System]]
##Monday to Thursday: 17:00 (5pm)
;{{wp|Fourth generation of video game consoles|Fourth generation}}: [[Super Famicom]] / [[Super Nintendo Entertainment System]]; [[Game Boy]]
##Friday and Saturday: 20:00 (8pm)
;{{wp|Fifth generation of video game consoles|Fifth generation}}: [[Virtual Boy]]; [[Nintendo 64]]; [[Game Boy Color]]
##Sunday: 15:00 (3pm)
;{{wp|Sixth generation of video game consoles|Sixth generation}}: [[Game Boy Advance]]; [[Nintendo GameCube]]
#Every vote should have a reason accompanying it.
;{{wp|Seventh generation of video game consoles|Seventh generation}}: [[Nintendo DS]]; [[Wii]]
#At any time a vote may be rejected if at least '''three''' active users believe the vote truly has no merit or was cast in bad faith. However, there must be strong reasons supporting the invalidation.
;{{wp|Eighth generation of video game consoles|Eighth generation}}: [[Nintendo 3DS]]; [[Wii U]]; [[Nintendo Switch]]
#"<nowiki>#&nbsp;</nowiki>" should be added under the last vote of each support/oppose section to show another blank line.
;{{wp|Ninth generation of video game consoles|Ninth generation}}: Nintendo Switch; [[Nintendo Switch 2]]
#Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "[[Wikipedia:Quorum|NO QUORUM]]." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
#All proposals are archived. The original proposer must '''''take action''''' accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of a sysop, the proposer can ask for that help.
#There are two topics that cannot be decided on through a proposal: the first is sysop promotions and demotions, which are decided by [[MarioWiki:Bureaucrats|Bureaucrats]].  Secondly, no proposals calling for the creation of Banjo, Conker or Sonic series articles are allowed (several proposals supporting them have failed in recent history).


The times are in EDT, and are set so that the user is more likely to be online at those times (after work/school, weekend nights).  If a proposal is added on Saturday night at 11:59 PM EDT, the deadline is the next Saturday night at 8:00 PM. If it is a minute later, the deadline is a day plus 15 hours (Sunday), as opposed to a day minus 4 hours.
This proposal adds the Nintendo Switch 2 to the scope of the video game consoles by generation.


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The real solution is that we will be able to add the <code>generation2</code> parameter to the {{tem|system infobox}} template.


<center><span style="font-size:200%">CURRENTLY: '''{{LOCALTIME}}, {{LOCALDAY}} {{LOCALMONTHNAME}} {{LOCALYEAR}} (EDT)'''</span></center>
This is what the <code>generation</code> parameter reads as follows:


==New Features==
<pre>
''None at the moment.
{{#if:{{{generation|}}}|
{{!}} '''Generation'''
{{!}} {{wp|{{{generation}}} generation of video game consoles|{{{generation}}} generation}}
}}
</pre>


==Removals==
Once this proposal passes, then this is what the <code>generation</code> parameter will read as follows:
''None at the moment.
 
<pre>
{{#if:{{{generation|}}}|
{{!}} '''Generation'''
{{!}} {{#if:{{{generation2}}}|Cross-generation ({{wp|{{{generation}}} generation of video game consoles|{{{generation}}}}} – {{wp|{{{generation2}}} generation of video game consoles|{{{generation2}}}}})|{{wp|{{{generation}}} generation of video game consoles|{{{generation}}} generation}}}}
}}
</pre>
 
If we use the <code>generation2</code> parameter to the Nintendo Switch page, we'll need to use this:
 
<pre>
|generation=eighth
|generation=ninth
</pre>
 
This will read as follows:
 
<blockquote>
Cross-generation ({{wp|eighth generation of video game consoles|eighth}} – {{wp|ninth generation of video game consoles|ninth}})
</blockquote>
 
Now all of that will be the solution if the <code>generation2</code> parameter was added to the <nowiki>{{system infobox}}</nowiki> template. It's so easy to understand which generations a video game system are part of. When it comes to the Switch being a cross-generation video game console, we all know that the work needed will add an extra generation.
 
'''Proposer''': {{User|GuntherBayBeee}}<br>
'''Deadline''': April 12, 2025, 23:59 GMT
 
====Support: We're crossing over!====
#{{User|GuntherBayBeee}} Per proposal.
 
====Oppose: We should cross it out...====
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} The amount of things that would properly qualify for being "cross-generation", unless you decide to count the entirety of the Switch or Switch 2 as being "cross-generation" (don't) or include re-releases as being "cross-generation" (''please'' don't) are very few and far between. Off the cuff, we think it literally might just the "New Play Control!" ports, [[Skylanders: SuperChargers]], and [[Nintendo Campus Challenge]], which is going to be split soon anyways... by console generation. Furthermore, and far more pressing, none of these are consoles, they are individual video games; and this proposal specifically is targeting the system infobox. In the absence of anything compelling to use it on for systems themselves, and how niche this would be even if it was expanded to include games (something that would require us to specify a game's given console generation in the first place, which we don't currently do), we can't really see the reason to add this parameter.
#{{User|Ahemtoday}} If we really wanted to mark consoles as cross-generational... just make it so we can put that information in the "generation" field. We would have to change the field a bit and move information out from the template itself into the arguments on the articles, but that would honestly be fine — as it stands, the field is a bit hyperspecialized and inflexible. Instead of doing that, this proposal is about creating a second inflexible and '''even more hyperspecialized''' field and adding it to {{tem|system infobox}}, for use on... [[Nintendo Switch|exactly one article]]. It's not a sensible way of solving this problem at all.
 
====Cross-comments====
To clarify, the original proposal was vetoed by staff because the original proposer requested it to be (it was too late for them to cancel it themselves). As such, I'm not sure if Bro3256 still agrees with these arguments. [[User:Technetium|Technetium]] ([[User talk:Technetium|talk]]) 12:30, March 29, 2025 (EDT)
:Actually, aside from the subject, Bro3256's proposal is entirely irrelevant to what GuntherBaybee is proposing, if I'm reading this correctly:
:*Bro3256 proposed to ''entirely remove video game console generations'' and redefine it by home console and handheld console (and, for reasons I ''still'' don't understand to this day, ''not count the Virtual Boy at all'').
:*GuntherBayBee instead proposes to add a <code>generation2</code> parameter to {{tem|System infobox}}, to account for the fact that the [[Nintendo Switch]] is a cross-generational system. It's not about removing or redefining the console generations at all: it's just ''about'' the console generations.
:{{User:Arend/sig}} 12:48, March 29, 2025 (EDT)
 
:::So let me get this out of the way first, I did not purposely not count the [[Virtual Boy]], that was an oversight when I made the initial proposal and I do apologize. The main reason I pulled the initial proposal was due to the confusion it left on some users and I feel that partially had to do with how I presented said proposal. I am considering redoing the proposal at another time. In regards to this proposal, I just don't see the point in doing this. I do want to remind users that the current video game console generation system that is used was [https://www.timeextension.com/features/is-wikipedia-really-to-blame-for-video-game-console-generations invented by Wikipedia users in the 2000s]. The concept of video game console generations had been a thing before this but it wasn't until Wikipedia that we see the system that's used to this day. The system is arbitrary even more so now than back when it was created. The [[Nintendo Switch]] for example is categorized on Wikipedia under {{wp|Nintendo Switch|8th and 9th}}
:::*''"The Switch has been compared and considered to compete with consoles of both the eighth and ninth generation by sources."''.
 
:::How can a video game platform be in two different console generations? If the Nintendo Switch can be in two console generations, what about other video game platforms? What the heck is a video game console generation? That last question should be quite simple to answer but frankly there is a good chance you will get a differing answer in both what it's supposed to categorize and how it's categorized. Super Mario Wiki is already an example of such an occurrence only labeling the Nintendo Switch in the 8th. I still stand by the idea about getting rid of the video game console generation system on Super Mario Wiki but I'll leave discussing that for any future proposal made in regards to this specific topic. --[[User:Bro3256|Bro3256]] ([[User talk:Bro3256|talk]]) 08:47, March 31, 2025 (EDT)


==Splits & Merges==
Are you sure the Switch 2 is a cross-generation system, instead of just a gen 10 console? Remember that the Switch 1 has been on the market for over 8 years now, which is far longer than a regular console has lasted before a successor has been released. {{User:Arend/sig}} 12:48, March 29, 2025 (EDT)
:I'm sure that the Switch 2 will be a cross-generation system if Sony and Microsoft officially announce the tenth-generation successors to the PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X|S respectively. {{User:GuntherBayBeee/sig}} 13:45, March 29, 2025 (EDT)
::No, I mean, the Switch 2 probably is ''not'' a gen 9 console. Obviously it will be competing with the successors of the PS5 and Xbox Series X, but I doubt it will compete with the PS5 and Xbox Series X ''themselves''. {{User:Arend/sig}} 13:53, March 29, 2025 (EDT)


=== PM: Minor Items ===
I recommend your proposals in the future to be much clearer in the problems identified and what the solutions are. Your proposals have been constantly running into the issues where people, getting swamped by verbiage and code block dumps, simply cannot comprehend what's the problem and the solutions to these. {{User:Mario/sig}} 18:51, March 31, 2025 (EDT)


I've been looking at the Paper Mario series articles lately and found that due to the massive amount of recovery and side-quest items there are a LOT of tiny stublets related to these items. I think that all these pages should be merged and all the links go to their spot in that page. To merge or not to merge?
==New features==
===Create an article for Character Icons===
Since [[Emblem|emblems]] have an article, I think character icons should have an article too. I was thinking it could be a gallery. There are just so many character icons for just one character (just see how many Mario’s had)! It could anlso have the same structure as [[Gallery:Emblem]]. And it wouldn’t be the first gallery to not have an article talking about the subject. Take “[[Gallery:Orange Yoshi]]” as an example.<br>
EDIT: To answer [[User:EvieMaybe|EvieMaybe]], this is a character icon...
[[File:SM3DWBF Bowser Jr Icon.png]]<br>
...and we would benefit from this article the same way we benefit from the emblems article: organized "images" (I have O.C.D., so that's why I want it organized.)


'''Proposer''': {{User|Gyroid X}}<br>
'''Proposer''': {{User|Weegie baby}}<br>
'''Deadline''': October 29, 2008, 17:00
'''Deadline''': April 9, 2025, 23:59 GMT
====Support====


====Merge====
====Oppose====
#{{User|Tucayo}} To merge, its horrible to have to look on thousands of stubs
#{{User|Shadow2}} I don't even think we need the [[Emblem]] page, to be honest. That page already has very vague interpretations about what is and is not an emblem, and I think that vagueness would get even worse with a Character Icons page.
====No Merge====
#{{User|Mario}} I understand that some users want a place to have all particular style of UI elements in a page, but "emblem" is nebulously defined in this proposal (and the term may be prone to deprecation in the future as Nintendo may adopt another style or alter the style, such as gradients or doing something similar to Super Mario Party Jamboree stickers) and people who want to organize these icons are better off finding the respective game and character galleries and collaging these icons as they please.
#{{User|Stumpers}} - While it is true that there are many stubs, the more major subjects still deserve articles.  For example, [[Yakkey]] is a character, [[Peach Doll]] has since appeared in multiple sources, [[Sneaky Parasol]] plays a very major role in the story... etc. etc. etc.  This proposal isn't even fleshed out enough to define which ''Paper Mario'' special items we'd be merging.
#{{User|MCD}} I can sort of understand why the emblem page exists (sometimes a bit abstract, often shared between games, can crop up in a number of places during gameplay such as on a kart or a tennis racket, etc) though maybe it does need a bit of a cleanup. On the other hand, character icons are basically self explanatory - I can't think of any games where they're used as flexibly as emblems, so the only real thing a specific page could offer would be a gallery, and that just feels redundant when games and characters already have their own galleries which contain all of their character icons.
#{{User|Dom}} - Stumpers, stop stealing my words! You always make excellent points, as you do here.
#{{User|Power Flotzo}} Per all.
#{{User|Super-Yoshi}} - Per Stumpers.
#{{User|Jdtendo}} Per all.
#{{User|Princess Grapes Butterfly}} Per Stumpers
#{{User|Stooben Rooben}} - Per Stumpers.
#{{User|Magitroopa}} - Per all.


====Comments====
====Comments====
You're going to be a little more specific on which items you want to merge.  I believe you're referring to those in categories such as [[:Category:Paper Mario Special Items]] correct?  I think you may need to make your proposal more specific... what would be the name of the new article, would we have one for each game, etc. {{User|Stumpers}}
please elaborate more on your proposal. what exactly do you mean by "character icons"? can you give examples? what benefit would this article have? {{User:EvieMaybe/sig}} 17:14, March 26, 2025 (EDT)
:And if you'd like, I can make an example of what it would look like, if you were to be more specific. {{User|Stooben Rooben}}
:I'll try to answer that. [[User:Weegie baby|Weegie baby]] ([[User talk:Weegie baby|talk]]) 11:14, March 28, 2025 (EDT)
::i still don't really see the benefit of it. maybe you should draft an article {{User:EvieMaybe/sig}} 12:12, March 28, 2025 (EDT)
:::By "drafting" you mean make a small article to show what it would be like, right? I've already made it, but I haven't saved it. I'll just leave it in my computer until I have an answer. [[User:Weegie baby|Weegie baby]] ([[User talk:Weegie baby|talk]]) 08:16, March 30, 2025 (EDT)
::::Y'know, I'll just put it here (the "sub-heading 3" parts will be "heading" in the article):
 
''This is a gallery featuring images of character icons.''
 
=====''Super Mario 3D Wrold''=====
<gallery>
Marioicon sm3dw.png|''[[Mario]]'s selected character icon''
Mario icon un.png|''Mario's unselected character icon''
Luigiicon sm3dw.png|''[[Luigi]]'s selected character icon''
Luigi icon un.png|''Luigi's unselected character icon''
Peachicon.png|''[[Princess Peach|Peach]]'s selected character icon''
Peach icon un.png|''Peach's unselected character icon''
Toadicon.png|''[[Toad]]'s selected character icon''
Toad icon un.png|''Toad's unselected character icon''
Rosalina icon.png|''[[Rosalina]]'s selected character icon''
Rosalina icon un.png|''Rosalina's unselected character icon''
</gallery>
 
=====''Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker''=====
<gallery>
CaptainToad icon.png|''[[Captain Toad]]'s character icon''
Toadette icon CTTT.png|''[[Toadette]]'s character icon''
CTTT Purple Captain Toad Icon.png|''[[Captain Toad#Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker|Purple Captain Toad]]'s character icon''
</gallery>
 
::::So, yeah. [[User:Weegie baby|Weegie baby]] ([[User talk:Weegie baby|talk]]) 11:52, March 30, 2025 (EDT)
 
I could see utility in a gallery for them (I've uploaded a lot myself, after all), but I'm not so sure about an actual article page. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:39, March 28, 2025 (EDT)


Would you be merging [[Yakkey]]? {{User|Stumpers}}
So will the criteria be a cropped and framed iteration of 2D vector images? I'm wondering why these qualify and not [[:File:Mpsrart18.png]], apparently. {{User:Mario/sig}} 17:09, March 30, 2025 (EDT)
:Thanks, Dom. :D {{User|Stumpers}}
:And what about [[List of Super Nintendo World stamps|Super Nintendo World stamps]] that are in the same style? {{User:LadySophie17/sig}} 08:58, March 31, 2025 (EDT)
<gallery>
SNWGCC.png|Goomba Crazy Crank
SNWKTPP.png|Koopa Troopa POWer Punch
SNWPPNM.png|Piranha Plant Nap Mishap
SNWTPPIcon.png|Thwomp Panel Panic
SNWBKR.png|Bob-omb Kaboom Room
</gallery>
::Answering Mario: they qualify because they’re 2D (I think) and, honestly, I would never see the 3D “icons” as character icons. Answering Lady Sophie: yes, they count as character icons (even though they’re species’.) [[User:Weegie baby|Weegie baby]] ([[User talk:Weegie baby|talk]]) 14:20, March 31, 2025 (EDT)


::This proposal needs to be more specific. While it is annoying to load up about a hundred three lined pages, there are some that are important and need to stay. Some articles should should definite by merged, while some need to stay separate. {{User|Knife}} 20:14, 25 October 2008 (EDT)
...is it JUST about the 2D character icon artworks in the modern 2D artstyle? Because I don't see the point of a gallery for such a thing as that. Might as well place them all on the artist's gallery page alongside all the other 2D art they made.<br>Now, if it were about ''character HUD icons'' (or even ''character minimap icons'', which one could argue is also part if a game's HUD), THAT'S a different story, albeit slightly, since that's actually a recurring thing throughout the entire franchise, starting as early as ''[[Mario Bros. (game)|Mario Bros.]]'' {{User:Arend/sig}} 13:18, April 1, 2025 (EDT)
:I would presume things like selection screen icons as far back as the N64 era, and HUD icons as back as the beginning. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:19, April 1, 2025 (EDT)


:I was actually talking about all the recipes and recovery items and whatnot, not key items. I think [[Yakkey]] counts as a key item. :P {{User|Gyroid X}}
===Make a page for [[Nintendo Switch 2 Welcome Tour]]===
{{Early notice|April 10, 2025}}
You know that "game" announced to act as an interactive manual for the new console? The one that should be a free pack-in like ''Astro's Playroom'' and ''Wii Sports'', but for $ome rea$on isn't? That one.


===Rating Companies===
Today's Treehouse gameplay [https://youtu.be/MkNm2wmpyto?t=6977 showcased] a segment of the software where you play World 1-1 from ''Super Mario Bros.'' mapped pixel-to-pixel within the console's 4K screen. You're even given challenges to tick off beside simply reaching the level's finish. I'd say this pretty clearly [[MarioWiki:Coverage#Guest appearances|constitutes a guest appearance according to the coverage policy]], meaning the game should have a page that discusses this particular feature. But the policy says I need to make a proposal for it, so.
The rating companies doesn't really have have a effect on any video games left alone Mario games.The only time we need to keep it in as it's own article if it's a item,place,game,Characters,Enemy,kart,block.The rating companies doesn't fit any of them.The only effect it has is which people play the game and the front of the box =P.So I think we should merge it.


'''Proposer''': {{User|Dark Lakitu 789}}<br>
'''Proposer''': {{User|Koopa con Carne}}<br>
'''Deadline''': October 29, 2008, 17:00
'''Deadline''': April 17, 2025, 23:59 GMT


====Merge====
====Support: Make page for the Nintendo Switch 2 Welcome Tour(TM)====
#{{user|Dark Lakitu 789}} Per myself above
#{{User|Koopa con Carne}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Booster}}-- They're pretty pointless here.
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} We're not entirely sure this actually needs a proposal. Given ''[[Art Style: PiCTOBiTS]]'' has an article without any real contention when that lets you use Mario items, having a section where you're in [[World 1-1 (Super Mario Bros.)]] and ''play as [[Mario]]'' is a no-brainer.
#{{user|Phailure}}-- Per Booster.
#{{User|EvieMaybe}} per Camwoodstock
#{{User|Rykitu}} Per all.
#{{User|PopitTart}} Per proposal in 4K.
#{{User|Tails777}} Per all... how much will it cost me to support this proposal?
#{{User|Nelsonic}} Per proposal 2.
#{{User|Power Flotzo}} Per all.
#{{User|Killer Moth}} Per all.
#{{User|Kaptain Skurvy}} Per propo$al.


====Don't Merge====
====Oppose: Don't make page for the Nintendo Switch 2 Welcome Tour(TM)====
#{{User|Stumpers}} - Merges should occur when (1) We are trying to decrease our emphasis on a subject, ie ''Super Smash Bros.'' and/or (2) When an article has been expanded completely and it is still short.  Neither of these conditions are true.  This Wiki is just as much about the real history of the ''Mario'' series as it is the in-universe content, and as I noted below, two of the articles are definitely not stubs and the others have yet to be expanded completely.
#{{User|Stooben Rooben}} - Per Stumpers. Also, the rating companies are what deem ''Mario'' and all related games 'kid-friendly', so they do have an actual effect on the ''Mario'' series, despite the fact that they make no in-game appearances.
#{{User|Princess Grapes Butterfly}} Per Stumpers. (BTW would the page look messy?)
#{{User|Nerdy Guy}}Per all. expicely Stooben Rooben.


====Comments====
====Comments about wiki coverage of the Nintendo Switch 2 Welcome Tour(TM)====
Why don't people bother using links and proper grammar in their proposals anymore? Anyway, to save everyone else the hassle of tracking down the articles themselves, I'm ''assuming'' "Rating Companies" refers to [[Entertainment Software Rating Board]] (ESRB), [[Pan-European Game Information]] (PEGI), [[Computer Entertainment Rating Organization]] (CERO), and [[Office of Film and Literature Classification]] (OFLC). - {{User|Walkazo}}
@Camwoodstock, the policy I quoted should probably be reworded a little to be more of a recommendation than a requirement. Cases like this one where a non-Mario game lets you take control of Mario, interacting with coins, Goombas, and pipes, indeed shouldn't require a proposal to receive coverage. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 18:10, April 3, 2025 (EDT)
:I think the goal is to make sure everyone's on the same page, so I would be worried about how broad this statement is. Remember, we don't give crossover characters articles just for being playable in a ''WarioWare'' microgame; ergo there is a minimum bar of involvement a game would have to pass to get to the "guest appearance: rank. I would prefer something along the lines of, "A ''Super Mario'' game or portion of a ''Super Mario'' game embedded in a second game means the second game is a guest appearance at minimum", because it is more specific. [[User:Salmancer|Salmancer]] ([[User talk:Salmancer|talk]]) 07:11, April 4, 2025 (EDT)


:I don't get it... some of those are pretty good, and only PEGI and CERO are currently stubs.  What's being lost because the articles are separate? {{User|Stumpers}}
==Removals==
::I don't see a point in targeting only one group of companies either. (Not that I'm dismissing the validity of your proposal.) {{User|Stooben Rooben}}
''None at the moment.''
:::Did you know that I created the OFLC article!? Pretty impressive, huh? I hope Stumpers was referring to my article when he said 'pretty good'! BTW, I've noticed everything minor seems to be getting merged these days - isn't there a point of having individual articles? {{User|Dom}}
::::I was referring to that, actually. :)  Yes, there is a point to individual articles: it increases the emphasis on the subject and allows us to completely expand on the topic more easily.  It's like when Wikipedia splits... say banana into "banana" and "history of banana".  They do that because they feel the subject is so important that it deserves more than one article.  Merging means that the subject is so ''un''important that it doesn't even deserve one whole article.  It's all about the amount of info we can say on the subject without overstepping the boundaries of what we cover. {{User|Stumpers}}


==Changes==
==Changes==
===Change the moon icon for Dark Mode===
'''''NOTE:''' Yes, we see what day it is. No, this is ''not'' a prank proposal! The fact this is actually coherent should've told you that much, but in case you couldn't tell, we are being genuine about this one. However, given how silly the subject matter is, we couldn't resist.''
In case you somehow missed it, fairly recently, a proper dark mode was added to the wiki. You can enable it by clicking the moon icon on the top of the page; it's black on light mode, and yellow on dark mode. This ''works.'' This is adequate. We won't say it's bad by any stretch of the imagination. But look at the iconography all around it! The background has assorted icons, the wiki logo and favicon is a mushroom, and heck, for as long as we can remember, a mushroom sprite has been next to the username bar! While the alert bell and inbox icons are both a rather understandable grey, the moon actively changes colors and is positioned right next to that mushroom sprite in the username bar, which begs the question why it's like that.
[[File:Camwoodstock Dark Mode Icon Proposal Sprites.png|thumb|right]]
Having asked on the Discord, we've come up with 3 possible changes to make, displayed to the right there:
*'''Both Light and Dark Mode use a [[3-Up Moon]]''': Self-explanatory. Light Mode would be a white recoloring of the original ''SMW'' sprite, whereas dark mode would use the original yellow sprite.
*'''Light Mode has a [[Shine Sprite]], Dark Mode uses a [[Power Moon]]''': Similar concept, but with more modern day collectibles. We've made some edited sprites to use for this (using sprites from ''Bowser's Inside Story'' and ''Odyssey'' as a basis), but we'd be open to improvements.
*'''Do nothing:''' Light Mode uses a black crescent, dark mode uses a yellow crescent. Simple-as.
In addition, if there's genuine interest in doing so, we could perhaps make proposals to change the alert bell and notice inbox icons as well. For now, though, we'd like to keep it to the Dark Mode moon, as it's both new enough, and also it has the (dis)advantage of being juxtaposed directly with the mushroom next to the username, so it sticks out more to us.
'''Proposer''': {{User|Camwoodstock}}
====Which one for light mode?====
'''Deadline''': April 15, 2025, 23:59 GMT
;White 3-Up Moon
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} Secondary option. It's parity with the dark mode button, though we feel like making the light mode option a moon like the dark mode one is a missed opportunity.
#{{User|Nintendo101}} I like how it matches the Mushroom it is next too. The Shine Sprite and Power Moon are too contemporary in aesthetics. However, I wonder if porplemontage uses the moon symbol across the wikis he manages, like SmashWiki and the like. This is speculative, but it may not be technically possible to update the moon on Super Mario Wiki and not for other wikis that share its infrastructure. But if it ''is'' possible, this is the direction I would go with.
#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Better aesthetic, in my opinion. The alternative sticks out like a sore thumb.
#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Simple, clean, and fits with the Mushroom sprite perfectly.
;Shine Sprite
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} Primary option. While we stand firmly by the 3-Up Moon for dark mode, Shine Sprites are far more unique silhouette-wise.
;Black Crescent (status quo)
====Which one for dark mode?====
'''Deadline''': April 15, 2025, 23:59 GMT


''No proposals at the moment.''
;Yellow 3-Up Moon
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} This one's our ride-or-die option. Ever since we saw the original icon, we've kinda been hoping it'd get to be a 3-Up Moon to go alongside the ''SMB3'' Mushroom.
#{{User|Nintendo101}} Per my vote above. I like how it compliments the Mushroom sprite it is next to aesthetically.
#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} I like the sprites being the same, just palette-swapped, for the toggle. Simple's good.
#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Per my other vote.
 
;Power Moon
 
;Yellow Crescent (status quo)
 
====Comments (the sun & moon are fighting!)====
The sun and moon are fighting, eh? [http://brawlinthefamily.keenspot.com/comic/82-superstar/ I have a solution for that...]
 
In all seriousness, I'm not entirely decided on my vote, but I feel like it would be better to have an different icon from the moon for light mode. That's just my 5 cents though. [[User:BMfan08|BMfan08]] ([[User talk:BMfan08|talk]]) 20:27, March 31, 2025 (EDT)
 
Im not sure making this a poll proposal is a good idea because the icon options are quite different stylistically. Imagine, for example, the detailed Shine Sprite sprite being used alongside the minimalistic yellow moon icon. Additionally, the Shine Sprite/Power Moon options could stand to be a little more cohesive between each other, mainly regarding the outline, but also the shading to some extent. {{User:LadySophie17/sig}} 20:35, March 31, 2025 (EDT)
:We're well aware, don't worry; we'd be fine to tweak the actual images as need be, such as reducing the shading on the Shine Sprite if it wins alongside the 3-Up Moon. The images are just our little concept pieces to illustrate the point. {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 20:38, March 31, 2025 (EDT)
 
I'm surprised [[Angry Sun]]/[[Moon (Super Mario Maker 2)|Moon]] aren't here. There's even the perfect quote in the latter article. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 21:28, March 31, 2025 (EDT)
:Your honor... 1. ''we forgor'' 2. We weren't really confident in our ability to sprite a 16x16 Angry Sun that actually looks good by the time we remembered--let alone a ''SMM2'' moon. Those sprites are larger for a reason! {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 14:23, April 1, 2025 (EDT)
::Fair enough. By the way, if the 3-Up Moons pass, it'd look cute if the toggle was moved a little closer to the mushroom icon - since the sprite faces the other way, it'd seem like the moon's leaning against it. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 03:19, April 2, 2025 (EDT)


==Miscellaneous==
==Miscellaneous==
===Article Organization Standard===
===What is a game?===
For quite some time now, we have given guidelines as to article formatting, but we have not set a single standard.  This has caused many problems for the Wiki, including the conflicts over the formatting of the [[Mario]] and [[Daisy]] articles. Our previous formatting ideas came from the idea that certain sources were of a higher canon than others and thus should be separated from lower canon sources in the articles. This was detailed in [[MarioWiki:Canonicity]] prior to its recent rewrite which removed that speculation. Unfortunately, that means that our primary article organization is based off of fanon.  For example, our section on video game appearances is called “Biography,” implying that none of the sports spin-offs and alternate media sources “happened” in a character's life. Whether we believe this to be true or not, it is not the Wiki's place to make such speculation.
Per {{@|Camwoodstock}}'s comments on the ongoing [[Talk:List of games#A location for the water games, pocket pinball machines, Water Teaser, and other similar items|electronic water-related proposal on the list of games]]. The way that a game is considered a game is currently arbitrary, with board games being split to one list, card games being relegated elsewhere, [[Play Nintendo]] getting its own list, and [[Nintendo Today!]] quizzes all being merged into the app's article. This proposal aims to decide what gets on the [[list of games]] article, since there isn't anything on that page that explicitly states that the games listed have to be video games (minus the text "organized by video game system", but this can be changed). To note, this proposal is not suggesting that anything should be removed from the list, the goal of this proposal is to figure out whether or not anything should be added to the list of games.
 
'''Proposer''': {{User|Nelsonic}}
 
====Do board games move to the list?====
'''Deadline''': April 19, 2025, 23:59 GMT
 
;Yes
#{{User|Nelsonic}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} Per ourselves in the original comments; this feels like kind of a no-brainer, and we're surprised these have been excluded from the Games list for as long as they have been. Board games are like, a known concept, they've been around for millennia, and heck, games like [[Mario Party-e]] exist as a hybrid board game/video game. Excluding board games feels very arbitrary, just because they aren't "video" games, but we've included the ''Game & Watch'' titles for forever, with basically no contention whatsoever, despite those not technically meeting the definition of being a "video" game.
 
;No
#{{User|Nintendo101}} This is not to disparage board games or other types of media of this nature, but I think it would be healthier for our site to have distinction between a "video game" and "promotional tie-in media and products." I do not think being interactive is enough for it count as a "game" within the context of a video game-oriented franchise, in the same way I would not include instruction booklets in a list of books because they have readable text. This kind of stuff should be supported on the site, but not here.
 
====Do card games move to the list?====
'''Deadline''': April 19, 2025, 23:59 GMT
 
;Yes
#{{User|Nelsonic}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} Per ourselves in the original comments, and the same rationale behind board games. Sure, it's not a "video" game, but this is List of Games, not List of Video Games.
 
;No
#{{User|Nintendo101}} per my board game vote.
 
====Do party games (i.e. Jenga) move to the list?====
'''Deadline''': April 19, 2025, 23:59 GMT
 
;Yes
#{{User|Nelsonic}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} Per ourselves in the original comments, and the rationale behind board games. This is gonna be appearing a few more times...
 
;No
#{{User|Nintendo101}} per my board game vote. (You also do not italicize Jenga.)


This presents us with a unique opportunity to kill two birds with one stone: if we establish a standard for article organization that is not based on speculation, the speculation will be removed from our articles AND the argument as to how articles should be organized will be settled.
====Do physical games (i.e. ''Barrel of Monkeys''-style things with physical characters and pieces) move to the list?====
'''Deadline''': April 19, 2025, 23:59 GMT


I propose that we give each individual source a section of its own.  Then, each section would be placed within its respective medium. We would have a separate section for video games, television shows, comics, the movie, etc.  Furthermore, each of these sections would have subsections for each series.  The central ''[[Mario (series)|Mario]]'' platforming series would have a section, as would ''[[Mario Kart (series)|Mario Kart]]'', ''[[Paper Mario (series)|Paper Mario]]'', etc.  For titles that do not fall into a series, they would be placed in a section called "Individual Titles" or some equivalent.  Each of these sections and sub-sections will be organized by release date.  So, for Mario, you would first have the video game section, which starts with the ''[[Donkey Kong (series)|Donkey Kong]]'' series, then moves to the ''Mario'' series, and so on and so forth. However, when the events of a title has ''explicitly'' occurred prior to those released earlier in its section, such as ''[[Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island]]'' in the ''Mario'' section, it can be listed earlier.  Another example would be ''[[Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins]]'', which can be listed just after ''[[Super Mario Land]]''.
;Yes
#{{User|Nelsonic}} Per proposal.  
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} Per ourselves in the original comments, and the rationale behind board games. You get it, right?


For those who are confused, I am willing to make a mock-up of this concept.  For those who still want to see the video game sources lined up in the way they currently are, please remember that [[MarioWiki:Chronology]] was designed just for you.
;No
#{{User|Nintendo101}} per my board game vote.


Why does this idea benefit the Wiki?
====Does ''Super Mario Ride'' move to the list?====
#Removes speculation: Organizing by media and series is an objective concept that Nintendo often uses itself.  Compare this to our current method: trying to organize events in the order that WE believe them to have happened, something that Nintendo has never done.
'''Deadline''': April 19, 2025, 23:59 GMT
#Creates a standard: now that MarioWiki:Canonicity has been rewritten, we need a new standard.  I also want us to have a standard that we all agree on, not one that a sysop back from the early days of the Wiki created before we had the proposals page.
#Frees us from having to connect storylines.  If each appearance has a different section, we do not need to speculate and claim that "After doing this, the character did that," or worry about balancing the inconsistencies such as those between ''Yoshi's Island'', ''[[The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!]]'' and the [[Nintendo Comics System]].
#Allows for expansion of alternate media appearances, such as those from ''The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!'' It is very difficult to write about the entire series in a paragraph of a subsection in the alternate media sections as our current organization has us doing.


'''Proposer:''' {{User|Stumpers}} (with input from Cobold, Blitzwing, Ghost Jam, and Rooben Stooben among others.)<br>
;Yes
'''Deadline:''' November 3rd, 17:00
#{{User|Nelsonic}} Per proposal. It is currently listed under "Other Super Mario-themed games" on the [[list of merchandise]].


====Support====
;No
#{{User|Stumpers}} - My reasons are detailed above.
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} From the looks of it, those are toy cars; those are toys, not games. Them being listed as "other Super Mario-themed games" feels like a bit of a misnomer.
#{{User|Cobold}} - I think that the current way the articles are structured is rather random and not really official. The change is necessary.
 
#{{User|Stooben Rooben}} - Per Stumpers, all the way. This should finally help get articles in order &ndash; the way they should always be.
====Do ''Play Nintendo'' games move to the list?====
#{{User|Blitzwing}} - Per Stumpers.
'''Deadline''': April 19, 2025, 23:59 GMT
#{{User|Tucayo}} - Per Stumpers, he got inspired
 
;Yes
#{{User|Nelsonic}} Per proposal. There's a dedicated HTML section now.
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} With an HTML section in tow, we feel it's only fair.
 
;No
 
====Does ''Nintendo Today!'' move to the list?====
'''Deadline''': April 19, 2025, 23:59 GMT
 
;Yes
#{{User|Nelsonic}} Per proposal. It has many interactive elements, such as quizzes.
 
;No
#{{User|1468z}} The only thing that comes the closest to the definition of game and is related to ''Mario'' is the silhouette quizzes, which despite their name are actually just articles with a profile of a character without any interactive elements. It's not that different from something you would find on Nintendo's website.
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} To be honest, we're a bit on the fence, but we're leaning on this for now. Maybe if there were more active game elements to them, but as it stands, these are ''just'' articles at the moment with no real interactive elements aside from. Clicking it and reading it.
#{{User|Nintendo101}} per my board game vote.
#{{User|Hewer}} Per Shinya Takahashi ("[https://www.youtube.com/live/9OqoRxXUjGA?t=34m58s <nowiki>[Nintendo Today]</nowiki> is something a little different that's not a game]").
 
====Does ''[[Super Mario World: Mario to Yoshi no Bōken Land]]'' move to the list?====
'''Deadline''': April 19, 2025, 23:59 GMT
 
;Yes
#{{User|Nelsonic}} Per proposal. It was an interactive VHS tape that required the user to press buttons at certain points.
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} By our own definition of it being an "interactive game", yes, even if it's just a VHS analogue to those Play Nintendo quizzes, you can get a question wrong and stuff will still happen.
 
;No
#{{User|Nintendo101}} per my board game vote.
 
====Do [[Gallery:Miscellaneous_merchandise#Rides|rides]] move to the list?====
'''Deadline''': April 19, 2025, 23:59 GMT
 
;Yes
#{{User|Nelsonic}} Per proposal. They were made by [[Banpresto]], usable in arcades, and required money to play.
 
;No
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} You don't really interact with it aside from sitting on it; if there was a more game-ified aspect to it, kinda like Waku Waku Sonic Patrol Car, maybe? But as it stands, this is a little too non-interactive.
#{{User|Nintendo101}} per my board game vote.
 
====Do the remaining water games on the list of merchandise move to the list?====
'''Deadline''': April 19, 2025, 23:59 GMT


====Oppose====
;Yes
#{{User|Nelsonic}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} Per ourselves in the original proposal's comments; they are interactive games with a blatant physical, mechanical element to them. The lack of "video" isn't a hurdle so long as the ''Game & Watch'' games exist.


====Comments====
;No
Thanks, Tucayo, but I gotta give credit to the other sysops as well - it was really a group effort.  I just nailed down the specifics. {{User|Stumpers}}
#{{User|Nintendo101}} per my board game vote. This is not comparable to Game & Watch.


I still think dividing the video games by individual series is too much. Yes, those of us who do want to see the strictly chronological order ''can'' look on [[MarioWiki:Chronology]], but you could just as easily say the people who want to see the series' history can look on the Series' Pages (i.e. [[Mario & Luigi (series)]]). Plus, casual Users and Guests may not know enough to go searching the MarioWiki pages; whereas the Series Pages are mainspace and (should be) linked to on the articles themselves. Even then, all the Chronology page gives us is a list, and if we want to find out about what Mario does from game to game, we'd have to go from game to game; whereas the Series Pages offer a bit more up front. Plus, it's not rocket science to figure out ''[[Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door]]'' is the sequel to ''[[Paper Mario]]''; so if someone did want to find out what Mario did in respects to the [[Paper Mario (series)|''Paper Mario'' series]] only, they'd just have to scroll down the chronologically-organized biography looking for the "Paper Mario" titles. But it doesn't go both ways: as they are now, most biography sections don't include dates; and even if they do in the future, it's harder to look around for the first thing to come after "September 1993" than the next 3-D "Super Mario...". True, that's when you'd whip out MW:Chronology; but it seems like too much hassle for half of us just to spare the other half a fraction of the time and frustration. What I'm trying to say is that we ''already have'' the option to read history by series, and we always will, so what ''need'' is there for this extra step? I agree with the proposal otherwise, so I'm not voting against it - the Wiki needs change, just not '''that''' much. - {{User|Walkazo}}
====The Comment Games====
:Something that I was considering while writing this proposal was that, even if this isn't the ultimate fix we find, it's a good one for right now.  If you can think of a better way, please, PLEASE make a proposal.  We've been banging our heads trying to figure out how to not follow any fanon while still acknowledging the fact that the overall Mario series does appear to have a continuity within it, just not a very well defined one. {{User|Stumpers}}
{{@|Nintendo101}}, unless us and everyone we know has been using it ''very'' wrong, we don't really see how the board game vote applies to [[Nintendo Today!]]... ;P <s>not that it matters, as we agree that Nintendo Today! would be overkill to include either way unless they were more interactive, but y'know,</s> {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 20:23, April 5, 2025 (EDT)
:Also, Wikipedia does italicise ''{{wp|Jenga}}''. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 20:30, April 5, 2025 (EDT)


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If we decide to keep the non-video games off the list of games, I feel like a name change to "List of video games" might be a good idea (though the link on the main page can keep it shortened to "Games" for simplicity if need be). {{User:Hewer/sig}} 20:43, April 5, 2025 (EDT)

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Proposals can be new features, the removal of previously-added features that have tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action is taken.
  • Voting periods last for two weeks, but can close early or be extended (see below).
  • Any autoconfirmed user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so.
  • All proposals must be approved by a majority of voters, including proposals with more than two options.
  • For past proposals, see the proposal archive and the talk page proposal archive.

If you would like to get feedback on an idea before formally proposing it here, you may do so on the proposals talk. For talk page proposals, you can discuss the changes on the talk page itself before creating the TPP there.

How to

If someone has an idea about improving the wiki or managing its community, but feel that they need community approval before acting upon that idea, they may make a proposal about it. They must have a strong argument supporting their idea and be willing to discuss it in detail with other users, who will then vote on whether or not they think the idea should be implemented. Proposals should include links to all relevant pages and writing guidelines. Proposals must include a link to the draft page. Any pages that would be largely affected by the proposal should be marked with {{proposal notice}}.

Rules

  1. Only autoconfirmed users may create or vote on proposals. Proposals can be created by one user or co-authored by two users.
  2. A given user may author/co-author up to five ongoing proposals. Any additional proposals will be immediately canceled.
  3. Anyone is free to comment on proposals (provided that the page's protection level allows them to edit).
  4. Proposals conclude at the end of the day (23:59) two weeks after voting starts (all times GMT).
    • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, the voting starts immediately and the deadline is two weeks later on Monday, August 15, at 23:59 GMT.
  5. Users may vote for more than one option, but they may not vote for every option available. Keep in mind that we use approval voting, so all of your votes count equally regardless of preferred order.
  6. Every vote should have a strong, sensible reason accompanying it. Agreeing with a previously mentioned reason given by another user is acceptable (including "per" votes), but tangential comments, heavy sarcasm, and other misleading or irrelevant quips are just as invalid as providing no reason at all.
  7. Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. Voters can remove or rewrite their own vote(s) at any time, but the final decision to remove another user's vote lies solely with the wiki staff.
    • Users can also use the comments section to bring up any concerns or mistakes in regards to the proposal itself. In such cases, it's important the proposer addresses any concerns raised as soon as possible. Even if the supporting side might be winning by a wide margin, that should be no reason for such questions to be left unanswered. They may point out any missing details that might have been overlooked by the proposer, so it's a good idea as the proposer to check them frequently to achieve the most accurate outcome possible.
  8. If a user makes a vote and is subsequently blocked for any amount of time, their vote is removed. However, if the block ends before the proposal ends, then the user in question holds the right to re-cast their vote. If a proposer is blocked, their vote is removed and "(blocked)" is added next to their name in the "Proposer:" line of the proposal, which runs until its deadline as normal. If the proposal passes, it falls to the supporters of the idea to enact any changes in a timely manner.
  9. Proposals cannot contradict an already ongoing proposal or overturn the decision of a previous proposal that concluded less than four weeks (28 days) ago.
  10. If one week before a proposal's initial deadline, the first place option is ahead of the second place option by eight or more votes and the first place option has at least 80% approval, then the proposal concludes early. Wiki staff may tag a proposal with "Do not close early" at any time to prevent an early close, if needed.
    • Tag the proposal with {{early notice}} if it is on track for an early close. Use {{proposal check|early=yes}} to perform the check.
  11. Any proposal where none of the options have at least four votes will be extended for another week. If after three extensions, no options have at least four votes, the proposal will be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
  12. If a proposal reaches its deadline and there is a tie for first place, then the proposal is extended for another week.
  13. If a proposal reaches its deadline and the first place option is ahead of the second place option by three or more votes, then the first place option must have over 50% approval to win. If the margin is only one or two votes, then the first place option must have at least 60% approval to win. If the required approval threshold is not met, then the proposal is extended for another week.
    • Use {{proposal check}} to automate this calculation; see the template page for usage instructions and examples.
  14. Proposals can be extended a maximum of three times. If a consensus has not been reached by the fourth deadline, then the proposal fails and cannot be re-proposed until at least four weeks after the last deadline.
  15. All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of an administrator, the proposer can ask for that help.
  16. After a proposal passes, it is added to the appropriate list of "unimplemented proposals" below and is removed once it has been sufficiently implemented.
  17. If the wiki staff deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to cancel it at any time.
  18. Proposals can only be rewritten or canceled by their proposer within the first four days of their creation. However, proposers can request that their proposal be canceled by a staff member at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it. Please note that canceled proposals must also be archived.
  19. Unless there is major disagreement about whether certain content should be included, there should not be proposals about creating, expanding, rewriting, or otherwise fixing up pages. To organize efforts about improving articles on neglected or completely missing subjects, try setting up a collaboration thread on the forums.
  20. Proposals cannot be made about promotions and demotions. Staff changes are discussed internally and handled by the bureaucrats.
  21. No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.
  22. Proposals must have a status quo option (e.g. Oppose, Do nothing) unless the status quo itself violates policy.

Basic proposal formatting

Copy and paste the formatting below to get started; your username and the proposal deadline will automatically be substituted when you save the page. Update the bracketed variables with actual information, and be sure to replace the whole variable including the square brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information" and not "[This is the inserted information]". Proposals presenting multiple alternative courses of action can have more than two voting options, but the objective(s) of each voting option must be clearly defined. Such options should also be kept to a minimum, and if something comes up in the comments, the proposal can be amended as necessary. 

===[insert a title for your proposal here]===
[describe what issue this proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the wiki handles that issue]

'''Proposer''': {{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}}<br>
'''Deadline''': {{subst:#time:F j, Y|+2 weeks}}, 23:59 GMT

====[option title (e.g. Support, Option 1)]: [brief summary of option]====
#{{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}} Per proposal.

====[option title (e.g. Oppose, Option 2)]: [brief summary of option]====

====Comments ([brief proposal title])====

Autoconfirmed users will now be able to vote on your proposal. Remember that you can vote on your own proposal just like the others.

To vote for an option, just insert #{{User|[your username here]}} at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on another user's proposal. If you are voting on your own proposal, you can simply say "Per proposal."

Poll proposal formatting

As an alternative to the basic proposal format, users may choose to create a poll proposal when one larger issue can be broken down into multiple subissues that can be resolved independently of each other. In a poll proposal, each option is essentially its own mini-proposal with a deadline and suboption headings. The rules above apply to each option as if it were its own proposal: users may vote on any number of options they wish, and individual options may close early or be extended separately from the rest. If an option fails to achieve quorum or reach a consensus after three extensions, then the status quo wins for that option by default. If all options fail, then nothing will be done.

To create a poll proposal, copy and paste the formatting below to get started; your username and the option deadlines will automatically be substituted when you save the page. Update the bracketed variables with actual information, and be sure to replace the whole variable including the square brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information" and not "[This is the inserted information]". 

===[insert a title for your proposal here]===
[describe what issue this proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the wiki handles that issue]

'''Proposer''': {{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}}

====[option title (e.g. Option 1)]: [brief summary of option]====
'''Deadline''': {{subst:#time:F j, Y|+2 weeks}}, 23:59 GMT

;Support
#{{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}} Per proposal.

;Oppose

====[option title (e.g. Option 2)]: [brief summary of option]====
'''Deadline''': {{subst:#time:F j, Y|+2 weeks}}, 23:59 GMT

;Support
#{{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}} Per proposal.

;Oppose

====[option title (e.g. Option 3)]: [brief summary of option]====
'''Deadline''': {{subst:#time:F j, Y|+2 weeks}}, 23:59 GMT

;Support
#{{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}} Per proposal.

;Oppose

====Comments ([brief proposal title])====

For the purposes of the ongoing proposals list, a poll proposal's deadline is the latest deadline of any ongoing option(s). A poll proposal is archived after all of its options have settled, and it is listed as one single proposal in the archive. It is considered to have "passed" if one or more options were approved by voters (resulting in a change from the status quo), and it is considered to have "failed" if all options were rejected by voters and no change in the status quo was made.

Talk page proposals

Proposals concerning a single page or a limited group of pages are held on the most relevant talk page regarding the matter. All of the above proposal rules also apply to talk page proposals. Place {{TPP}} under the section's heading, and once the proposal is over, replace the template with {{settled TPP}}. Proposals dealing with a large amount of splits, merges, or deletions across the wiki should still be held on this page.

All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom) using {{ongoing TPP}}. Include a brief description of the proposal while also mentioning any pages affected by it, a link to the talk page housing the discussion, and the deadline. If the proposal involves a page that is not yet made, use {{fake link}} to communicate its title in the description. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links.

List of ongoing talk page proposals

Unimplemented proposals

Proposals

Break alphabetical order in enemy lists to list enemy variants below their base form, EvieMaybe (ended May 21, 2024)
Standardize sectioning for Super Mario series game articles, Nintendo101 (ended July 3, 2024)
^ NOTE: Not yet integrated for the Super Mario Maker titles and Super Mario Run.
Create new sections for gallery pages to cover "unused/pre-release/prototype/etc." graphics separate from the ones that appear in the finalized games, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 2, 2024)
Use the classic and classic link templates when discussing classic courses in Mario Kart Tour, YoYo (ended October 2, 2024)
Split off the Mario Kart Tour template(s), MightyMario (ended November 24, 2024)
Split major RPG appearances of recurring locations, EvieMaybe (ended December 16, 2024)
Split Mario & Luigi badges and remaining accessories, Camwoodstock (ended February 1, 2025)
Merge Chef Torte and Apprentice (Torte), Camwoodstock (ended February 3, 2025)
Merge intro/outro sections, rename Gameplay section to "Overview" for Mario Party minigame articles, ToxBoxity64 (ended March 1, 2025)
Allow English Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia names to be mentioned on articles where they are not the title, Hewer (ended March 27, 2025)
Create pages for the Captain N episodes where Donkey Kong is a central character, Glowsquid (ended April 1, 2025)

Talk page proposals

Split all the clothing, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 12, 2021)
Split machine parts, Robo-Rabbit, and flag from Super Duel Mode, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 30, 2022)
Make bestiary list pages for the Minion Quest and Bowser Jr.'s Journey modes, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended January 11, 2024)
Allow separate articles for Diddy Kong Pilot (2003)'s subjects, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended August 3, 2024)
Create articles for specified special buildings in Super Mario Run, Salmancer (ended November 15, 2024)
Merge False Character and Fighting Polygon/Wireframe/Alloy/Mii Teams into List of Super Smash Bros. series bosses, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended December 2, 2024)
Merge Wiggler Family to Dimble Wood, Camwoodstock (ended January 11, 2025)
Create a catch-all Poltergust article, Blinker (ended January 21, 2025)
Give the Cluck-A-Pop Prizes articles, Camwoodstock (ended January 31, 2025)
Reverse the proposal to trim White Shy Guy, Waluigi Time (ended February 8, 2025)
Split Animal Crossing (game), Kaptain Skurvy (ended February 12, 2025)
Split the modes in the Battles page, Mario (ended February 15, 2025)
Count ongoing serialized comics for latest appearances, Rykitu (ended March 2, 2025)
Split Super Mario Maker helmets from Buzzy Shell and Spiny Shell (red), PopitTart (ended March 12, 2025)
Restructure Yoshi's Island (series) into Yoshi (series), PopitTart (ended March 19, 2025)
Merge Beanbean Coin to Coin, PrincessPeachFan (ended March 22, 2025)
Merge Mario Party 4 hosts with their species, Kirby the Formling (ended March 23, 2025)
Split the enemy/obstacle ice block of Yoshi's Woolly World from Ice Block, Sorbetti (ended March 29, 2025)
Split Super Luigi subjects into a dedicated list article, EvieMaybe (ended April 3, 2025)
Refocus the Papa Mario and Mama Mario articles as "Mario's dad" and "Mario's mom", Superstarxalien169 (ended April 4, 2025, 23:59 GMT)

Writing guidelines

Use the cross-generation data for the video game console generation label

It's been three months, seven weeks, and three days since the last proposal was vetoed by the staff. Just as Bro3256 said, the video game console generations are categorized as follows within the scope of Nintendo's video game systems:

First generation
Color TV-Game
Second generation
Game & Watch
Third generation
Family Computer / Nintendo Entertainment System
Fourth generation
Super Famicom / Super Nintendo Entertainment System; Game Boy
Fifth generation
Virtual Boy; Nintendo 64; Game Boy Color
Sixth generation
Game Boy Advance; Nintendo GameCube
Seventh generation
Nintendo DS; Wii
Eighth generation
Nintendo 3DS; Wii U; Nintendo Switch
Ninth generation
Nintendo Switch; Nintendo Switch 2

This proposal adds the Nintendo Switch 2 to the scope of the video game consoles by generation.

The real solution is that we will be able to add the generation2 parameter to the {{system infobox}} template.

This is what the generation parameter reads as follows: 

{{#if:{{{generation|}}}|
{{!}} '''Generation'''
{{!}} {{wp|{{{generation}}} generation of video game consoles|{{{generation}}} generation}}
}}

Once this proposal passes, then this is what the generation parameter will read as follows: 

{{#if:{{{generation|}}}|
{{!}} '''Generation'''
{{!}} {{#if:{{{generation2}}}|Cross-generation ({{wp|{{{generation}}} generation of video game consoles|{{{generation}}}}} – {{wp|{{{generation2}}} generation of video game consoles|{{{generation2}}}}})|{{wp|{{{generation}}} generation of video game consoles|{{{generation}}} generation}}}}
}}

If we use the generation2 parameter to the Nintendo Switch page, we'll need to use this: 

|generation=eighth
|generation=ninth

This will read as follows:

Cross-generation (eighth – ninth)

Now all of that will be the solution if the generation2 parameter was added to the {{system infobox}} template. It's so easy to understand which generations a video game system are part of. When it comes to the Switch being a cross-generation video game console, we all know that the work needed will add an extra generation.

Proposer: GuntherBayBeee (talk)
Deadline: April 12, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Support: We're crossing over!

  1. GuntherBayBeee (talk) Per proposal.

Oppose: We should cross it out...

  1. Camwoodstock (talk) The amount of things that would properly qualify for being "cross-generation", unless you decide to count the entirety of the Switch or Switch 2 as being "cross-generation" (don't) or include re-releases as being "cross-generation" (please don't) are very few and far between. Off the cuff, we think it literally might just the "New Play Control!" ports, Skylanders: SuperChargers, and Nintendo Campus Challenge, which is going to be split soon anyways... by console generation. Furthermore, and far more pressing, none of these are consoles, they are individual video games; and this proposal specifically is targeting the system infobox. In the absence of anything compelling to use it on for systems themselves, and how niche this would be even if it was expanded to include games (something that would require us to specify a game's given console generation in the first place, which we don't currently do), we can't really see the reason to add this parameter.
  2. Ahemtoday (talk) If we really wanted to mark consoles as cross-generational... just make it so we can put that information in the "generation" field. We would have to change the field a bit and move information out from the template itself into the arguments on the articles, but that would honestly be fine — as it stands, the field is a bit hyperspecialized and inflexible. Instead of doing that, this proposal is about creating a second inflexible and even more hyperspecialized field and adding it to {{system infobox}}, for use on... exactly one article. It's not a sensible way of solving this problem at all.

Cross-comments

To clarify, the original proposal was vetoed by staff because the original proposer requested it to be (it was too late for them to cancel it themselves). As such, I'm not sure if Bro3256 still agrees with these arguments. Technetium (talk) 12:30, March 29, 2025 (EDT)

Actually, aside from the subject, Bro3256's proposal is entirely irrelevant to what GuntherBaybee is proposing, if I'm reading this correctly:
  • Bro3256 proposed to entirely remove video game console generations and redefine it by home console and handheld console (and, for reasons I still don't understand to this day, not count the Virtual Boy at all).
  • GuntherBayBee instead proposes to add a generation2 parameter to {{System infobox}}, to account for the fact that the Nintendo Switch is a cross-generational system. It's not about removing or redefining the console generations at all: it's just about the console generations.
ArendLogoTransparent.pngrend (talk) (edits) 12:48, March 29, 2025 (EDT)
So let me get this out of the way first, I did not purposely not count the Virtual Boy, that was an oversight when I made the initial proposal and I do apologize. The main reason I pulled the initial proposal was due to the confusion it left on some users and I feel that partially had to do with how I presented said proposal. I am considering redoing the proposal at another time. In regards to this proposal, I just don't see the point in doing this. I do want to remind users that the current video game console generation system that is used was invented by Wikipedia users in the 2000s. The concept of video game console generations had been a thing before this but it wasn't until Wikipedia that we see the system that's used to this day. The system is arbitrary even more so now than back when it was created. The Nintendo Switch for example is categorized on Wikipedia under 8th and 9th
  • "The Switch has been compared and considered to compete with consoles of both the eighth and ninth generation by sources.".
How can a video game platform be in two different console generations? If the Nintendo Switch can be in two console generations, what about other video game platforms? What the heck is a video game console generation? That last question should be quite simple to answer but frankly there is a good chance you will get a differing answer in both what it's supposed to categorize and how it's categorized. Super Mario Wiki is already an example of such an occurrence only labeling the Nintendo Switch in the 8th. I still stand by the idea about getting rid of the video game console generation system on Super Mario Wiki but I'll leave discussing that for any future proposal made in regards to this specific topic. --Bro3256 (talk) 08:47, March 31, 2025 (EDT)

Are you sure the Switch 2 is a cross-generation system, instead of just a gen 10 console? Remember that the Switch 1 has been on the market for over 8 years now, which is far longer than a regular console has lasted before a successor has been released. ArendLogoTransparent.pngrend (talk) (edits) 12:48, March 29, 2025 (EDT)

I'm sure that the Switch 2 will be a cross-generation system if Sony and Microsoft officially announce the tenth-generation successors to the PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X|S respectively. GuntherBayBeee.jpgGuntherBayBeeeGravity Rush Kat.png 13:45, March 29, 2025 (EDT)
No, I mean, the Switch 2 probably is not a gen 9 console. Obviously it will be competing with the successors of the PS5 and Xbox Series X, but I doubt it will compete with the PS5 and Xbox Series X themselves. ArendLogoTransparent.pngrend (talk) (edits) 13:53, March 29, 2025 (EDT)

I recommend your proposals in the future to be much clearer in the problems identified and what the solutions are. Your proposals have been constantly running into the issues where people, getting swamped by verbiage and code block dumps, simply cannot comprehend what's the problem and the solutions to these. Mario It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 18:51, March 31, 2025 (EDT)

New features

Create an article for Character Icons

Since emblems have an article, I think character icons should have an article too. I was thinking it could be a gallery. There are just so many character icons for just one character (just see how many Mario’s had)! It could anlso have the same structure as Gallery:Emblem. And it wouldn’t be the first gallery to not have an article talking about the subject. Take “Gallery:Orange Yoshi” as an example.
EDIT: To answer EvieMaybe, this is a character icon... Bowser Jr. player icon sprite in Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury
...and we would benefit from this article the same way we benefit from the emblems article: organized "images" (I have O.C.D., so that's why I want it organized.)

Proposer: Weegie baby (talk)
Deadline: April 9, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Support

Oppose

  1. Shadow2 (talk) I don't even think we need the Emblem page, to be honest. That page already has very vague interpretations about what is and is not an emblem, and I think that vagueness would get even worse with a Character Icons page.
  2. Mario (talk) I understand that some users want a place to have all particular style of UI elements in a page, but "emblem" is nebulously defined in this proposal (and the term may be prone to deprecation in the future as Nintendo may adopt another style or alter the style, such as gradients or doing something similar to Super Mario Party Jamboree stickers) and people who want to organize these icons are better off finding the respective game and character galleries and collaging these icons as they please.
  3. MCD (talk) I can sort of understand why the emblem page exists (sometimes a bit abstract, often shared between games, can crop up in a number of places during gameplay such as on a kart or a tennis racket, etc) though maybe it does need a bit of a cleanup. On the other hand, character icons are basically self explanatory - I can't think of any games where they're used as flexibly as emblems, so the only real thing a specific page could offer would be a gallery, and that just feels redundant when games and characters already have their own galleries which contain all of their character icons.
  4. Power Flotzo (talk) Per all.
  5. Jdtendo (talk) Per all.

Comments

please elaborate more on your proposal. what exactly do you mean by "character icons"? can you give examples? what benefit would this article have? — Super Leaf stamp from Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury.eviemaybe (talk / contributions) 17:14, March 26, 2025 (EDT)

I'll try to answer that. Weegie baby (talk) 11:14, March 28, 2025 (EDT)
i still don't really see the benefit of it. maybe you should draft an article — Super Leaf stamp from Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury.eviemaybe (talk / contributions) 12:12, March 28, 2025 (EDT)
By "drafting" you mean make a small article to show what it would be like, right? I've already made it, but I haven't saved it. I'll just leave it in my computer until I have an answer. Weegie baby (talk) 08:16, March 30, 2025 (EDT)
Y'know, I'll just put it here (the "sub-heading 3" parts will be "heading" in the article):

This is a gallery featuring images of character icons.

Super Mario 3D Wrold
  • Mario's selected character icon

    Mario's selected character icon

  • Mario's unselected character icon

    Mario's unselected character icon

  • Luigi's selected character icon

    Luigi's selected character icon

  • Luigi's unselected character icon

    Luigi's unselected character icon

  • Peach's selected character icon

    Peach's selected character icon

  • Peach's unselected character icon

    Peach's unselected character icon

  • Toad's selected character icon

    Toad's selected character icon

  • Toad's unselected character icon

    Toad's unselected character icon

  • Rosalina's selected character icon

    Rosalina's selected character icon

  • Rosalina's unselected character icon

    Rosalina's unselected character icon

Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker
So, yeah. Weegie baby (talk) 11:52, March 30, 2025 (EDT)

I could see utility in a gallery for them (I've uploaded a lot myself, after all), but I'm not so sure about an actual article page. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:39, March 28, 2025 (EDT)

So will the criteria be a cropped and framed iteration of 2D vector images? I'm wondering why these qualify and not File:Mpsrart18.png, apparently. Mario It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 17:09, March 30, 2025 (EDT)

And what about Super Nintendo World stamps that are in the same style? — Lady Sophie Wiggler Sophie.png (T|C) 08:58, March 31, 2025 (EDT)
  • Goomba Crazy Crank

    Goomba Crazy Crank

  • Koopa Troopa POWer Punch

    Koopa Troopa POWer Punch

  • Piranha Plant Nap Mishap

    Piranha Plant Nap Mishap

  • Thwomp Panel Panic

    Thwomp Panel Panic

  • Bob-omb Kaboom Room

    Bob-omb Kaboom Room

Answering Mario: they qualify because they’re 2D (I think) and, honestly, I would never see the 3D “icons” as character icons. Answering Lady Sophie: yes, they count as character icons (even though they’re species’.) Weegie baby (talk) 14:20, March 31, 2025 (EDT)

...is it JUST about the 2D character icon artworks in the modern 2D artstyle? Because I don't see the point of a gallery for such a thing as that. Might as well place them all on the artist's gallery page alongside all the other 2D art they made.
Now, if it were about character HUD icons (or even character minimap icons, which one could argue is also part if a game's HUD), THAT'S a different story, albeit slightly, since that's actually a recurring thing throughout the entire franchise, starting as early as Mario Bros. ArendLogoTransparent.pngrend (talk) (edits) 13:18, April 1, 2025 (EDT)

I would presume things like selection screen icons as far back as the N64 era, and HUD icons as back as the beginning. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:19, April 1, 2025 (EDT)

Make a page for Nintendo Switch 2 Welcome Tour

Based on the vote so far, this proposal may be eligible to close one week early. Please use {{proposal check|early=yes}} on April 10, 2025 at 23:59 GMT and close the proposal if applicable.

You know that "game" announced to act as an interactive manual for the new console? The one that should be a free pack-in like Astro's Playroom and Wii Sports, but for $ome rea$on isn't? That one.

Today's Treehouse gameplay showcased a segment of the software where you play World 1-1 from Super Mario Bros. mapped pixel-to-pixel within the console's 4K screen. You're even given challenges to tick off beside simply reaching the level's finish. I'd say this pretty clearly constitutes a guest appearance according to the coverage policy, meaning the game should have a page that discusses this particular feature. But the policy says I need to make a proposal for it, so.

Proposer: Koopa con Carne (talk)
Deadline: April 17, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Support: Make page for the Nintendo Switch 2 Welcome Tour(TM)

  1. Koopa con Carne (talk) Per proposal.
  2. Camwoodstock (talk) We're not entirely sure this actually needs a proposal. Given Art Style: PiCTOBiTS has an article without any real contention when that lets you use Mario items, having a section where you're in World 1-1 (Super Mario Bros.) and play as Mario is a no-brainer.
  3. EvieMaybe (talk) per Camwoodstock
  4. Rykitu (talk) Per all.
  5. PopitTart (talk) Per proposal in 4K.
  6. Tails777 (talk) Per all... how much will it cost me to support this proposal?
  7. Nelsonic (talk) Per proposal 2.
  8. Power Flotzo (talk) Per all.
  9. Killer Moth (talk) Per all.
  10. Kaptain Skurvy (talk) Per propo$al.

Oppose: Don't make page for the Nintendo Switch 2 Welcome Tour(TM)

Comments about wiki coverage of the Nintendo Switch 2 Welcome Tour(TM)

@Camwoodstock, the policy I quoted should probably be reworded a little to be more of a recommendation than a requirement. Cases like this one where a non-Mario game lets you take control of Mario, interacting with coins, Goombas, and pipes, indeed shouldn't require a proposal to receive coverage. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 18:10, April 3, 2025 (EDT)

I think the goal is to make sure everyone's on the same page, so I would be worried about how broad this statement is. Remember, we don't give crossover characters articles just for being playable in a WarioWare microgame; ergo there is a minimum bar of involvement a game would have to pass to get to the "guest appearance: rank. I would prefer something along the lines of, "A Super Mario game or portion of a Super Mario game embedded in a second game means the second game is a guest appearance at minimum", because it is more specific. Salmancer (talk) 07:11, April 4, 2025 (EDT)

Removals

None at the moment.

Changes

Change the moon icon for Dark Mode

NOTE: Yes, we see what day it is. No, this is not a prank proposal! The fact this is actually coherent should've told you that much, but in case you couldn't tell, we are being genuine about this one. However, given how silly the subject matter is, we couldn't resist.

In case you somehow missed it, fairly recently, a proper dark mode was added to the wiki. You can enable it by clicking the moon icon on the top of the page; it's black on light mode, and yellow on dark mode. This works. This is adequate. We won't say it's bad by any stretch of the imagination. But look at the iconography all around it! The background has assorted icons, the wiki logo and favicon is a mushroom, and heck, for as long as we can remember, a mushroom sprite has been next to the username bar! While the alert bell and inbox icons are both a rather understandable grey, the moon actively changes colors and is positioned right next to that mushroom sprite in the username bar, which begs the question why it's like that.

Three candidates for Dark Mode toggle icons, used in a proposal.

Having asked on the Discord, we've come up with 3 possible changes to make, displayed to the right there:

  • Both Light and Dark Mode use a 3-Up Moon: Self-explanatory. Light Mode would be a white recoloring of the original SMW sprite, whereas dark mode would use the original yellow sprite.
  • Light Mode has a Shine Sprite, Dark Mode uses a Power Moon: Similar concept, but with more modern day collectibles. We've made some edited sprites to use for this (using sprites from Bowser's Inside Story and Odyssey as a basis), but we'd be open to improvements.
  • Do nothing: Light Mode uses a black crescent, dark mode uses a yellow crescent. Simple-as.

In addition, if there's genuine interest in doing so, we could perhaps make proposals to change the alert bell and notice inbox icons as well. For now, though, we'd like to keep it to the Dark Mode moon, as it's both new enough, and also it has the (dis)advantage of being juxtaposed directly with the mushroom next to the username, so it sticks out more to us.

Proposer: Camwoodstock (talk)

Which one for light mode?

Deadline: April 15, 2025, 23:59 GMT

White 3-Up Moon
  1. Camwoodstock (talk) Secondary option. It's parity with the dark mode button, though we feel like making the light mode option a moon like the dark mode one is a missed opportunity.
  2. Nintendo101 (talk) I like how it matches the Mushroom it is next too. The Shine Sprite and Power Moon are too contemporary in aesthetics. However, I wonder if porplemontage uses the moon symbol across the wikis he manages, like SmashWiki and the like. This is speculative, but it may not be technically possible to update the moon on Super Mario Wiki and not for other wikis that share its infrastructure. But if it is possible, this is the direction I would go with.
  3. LinkTheLefty (talk) Better aesthetic, in my opinion. The alternative sticks out like a sore thumb.
  4. ThePowerPlayer (talk) Simple, clean, and fits with the Mushroom sprite perfectly.
Shine Sprite
  1. Camwoodstock (talk) Primary option. While we stand firmly by the 3-Up Moon for dark mode, Shine Sprites are far more unique silhouette-wise.
Black Crescent (status quo)

Which one for dark mode?

Deadline: April 15, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Yellow 3-Up Moon
  1. Camwoodstock (talk) This one's our ride-or-die option. Ever since we saw the original icon, we've kinda been hoping it'd get to be a 3-Up Moon to go alongside the SMB3 Mushroom.
  2. Nintendo101 (talk) Per my vote above. I like how it compliments the Mushroom sprite it is next to aesthetically.
  3. LinkTheLefty (talk) I like the sprites being the same, just palette-swapped, for the toggle. Simple's good.
  4. ThePowerPlayer (talk) Per my other vote.
Power Moon
Yellow Crescent (status quo)

Comments (the sun & moon are fighting!)

The sun and moon are fighting, eh? I have a solution for that...

In all seriousness, I'm not entirely decided on my vote, but I feel like it would be better to have an different icon from the moon for light mode. That's just my 5 cents though. BMfan08 (talk) 20:27, March 31, 2025 (EDT)

Im not sure making this a poll proposal is a good idea because the icon options are quite different stylistically. Imagine, for example, the detailed Shine Sprite sprite being used alongside the minimalistic yellow moon icon. Additionally, the Shine Sprite/Power Moon options could stand to be a little more cohesive between each other, mainly regarding the outline, but also the shading to some extent. — Lady Sophie Wiggler Sophie.png (T|C) 20:35, March 31, 2025 (EDT)

We're well aware, don't worry; we'd be fine to tweak the actual images as need be, such as reducing the shading on the Shine Sprite if it wins alongside the 3-Up Moon. The images are just our little concept pieces to illustrate the point. Camwoodstock-sigicon.png~Camwoodstock ( talk • contribs ) Camwoodstock-sigicon2.png 20:38, March 31, 2025 (EDT)

I'm surprised Angry Sun/Moon aren't here. There's even the perfect quote in the latter article. LinkTheLefty (talk) 21:28, March 31, 2025 (EDT)

Your honor... 1. we forgor 2. We weren't really confident in our ability to sprite a 16x16 Angry Sun that actually looks good by the time we remembered--let alone a SMM2 moon. Those sprites are larger for a reason! Camwoodstock-sigicon.png~Camwoodstock ( talk • contribs ) Camwoodstock-sigicon2.png 14:23, April 1, 2025 (EDT)
Fair enough. By the way, if the 3-Up Moons pass, it'd look cute if the toggle was moved a little closer to the mushroom icon - since the sprite faces the other way, it'd seem like the moon's leaning against it. LinkTheLefty (talk) 03:19, April 2, 2025 (EDT)

Miscellaneous

What is a game?

Per @Camwoodstock's comments on the ongoing electronic water-related proposal on the list of games. The way that a game is considered a game is currently arbitrary, with board games being split to one list, card games being relegated elsewhere, Play Nintendo getting its own list, and Nintendo Today! quizzes all being merged into the app's article. This proposal aims to decide what gets on the list of games article, since there isn't anything on that page that explicitly states that the games listed have to be video games (minus the text "organized by video game system", but this can be changed). To note, this proposal is not suggesting that anything should be removed from the list, the goal of this proposal is to figure out whether or not anything should be added to the list of games.

Proposer: Nelsonic (talk)

Do board games move to the list?

Deadline: April 19, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Yes
  1. Nelsonic (talk) Per proposal.
  2. Camwoodstock (talk) Per ourselves in the original comments; this feels like kind of a no-brainer, and we're surprised these have been excluded from the Games list for as long as they have been. Board games are like, a known concept, they've been around for millennia, and heck, games like Mario Party-e exist as a hybrid board game/video game. Excluding board games feels very arbitrary, just because they aren't "video" games, but we've included the Game & Watch titles for forever, with basically no contention whatsoever, despite those not technically meeting the definition of being a "video" game.
No
  1. Nintendo101 (talk) This is not to disparage board games or other types of media of this nature, but I think it would be healthier for our site to have distinction between a "video game" and "promotional tie-in media and products." I do not think being interactive is enough for it count as a "game" within the context of a video game-oriented franchise, in the same way I would not include instruction booklets in a list of books because they have readable text. This kind of stuff should be supported on the site, but not here.

Do card games move to the list?

Deadline: April 19, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Yes
  1. Nelsonic (talk) Per proposal.
  2. Camwoodstock (talk) Per ourselves in the original comments, and the same rationale behind board games. Sure, it's not a "video" game, but this is List of Games, not List of Video Games.
No
  1. Nintendo101 (talk) per my board game vote.

Do party games (i.e. Jenga) move to the list?

Deadline: April 19, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Yes
  1. Nelsonic (talk) Per proposal.
  2. Camwoodstock (talk) Per ourselves in the original comments, and the rationale behind board games. This is gonna be appearing a few more times...
No
  1. Nintendo101 (talk) per my board game vote. (You also do not italicize Jenga.)

Do physical games (i.e. Barrel of Monkeys-style things with physical characters and pieces) move to the list?

Deadline: April 19, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Yes
  1. Nelsonic (talk) Per proposal.
  2. Camwoodstock (talk) Per ourselves in the original comments, and the rationale behind board games. You get it, right?
No
  1. Nintendo101 (talk) per my board game vote.

Does Super Mario Ride move to the list?

Deadline: April 19, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Yes
  1. Nelsonic (talk) Per proposal. It is currently listed under "Other Super Mario-themed games" on the list of merchandise.
No
  1. Camwoodstock (talk) From the looks of it, those are toy cars; those are toys, not games. Them being listed as "other Super Mario-themed games" feels like a bit of a misnomer.

Do Play Nintendo games move to the list?

Deadline: April 19, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Yes
  1. Nelsonic (talk) Per proposal. There's a dedicated HTML section now.
  2. Camwoodstock (talk) With an HTML section in tow, we feel it's only fair.
No

Does Nintendo Today! move to the list?

Deadline: April 19, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Yes
  1. Nelsonic (talk) Per proposal. It has many interactive elements, such as quizzes.
No
  1. 1468z (talk) The only thing that comes the closest to the definition of game and is related to Mario is the silhouette quizzes, which despite their name are actually just articles with a profile of a character without any interactive elements. It's not that different from something you would find on Nintendo's website.
  2. Camwoodstock (talk) To be honest, we're a bit on the fence, but we're leaning on this for now. Maybe if there were more active game elements to them, but as it stands, these are just articles at the moment with no real interactive elements aside from. Clicking it and reading it.
  3. Nintendo101 (talk) per my board game vote.
  4. Hewer (talk) Per Shinya Takahashi ("[Nintendo Today] is something a little different that's not a game").

Does Super Mario World: Mario to Yoshi no Bōken Land move to the list?

Deadline: April 19, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Yes
  1. Nelsonic (talk) Per proposal. It was an interactive VHS tape that required the user to press buttons at certain points.
  2. Camwoodstock (talk) By our own definition of it being an "interactive game", yes, even if it's just a VHS analogue to those Play Nintendo quizzes, you can get a question wrong and stuff will still happen.
No
  1. Nintendo101 (talk) per my board game vote.

Do rides move to the list?

Deadline: April 19, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Yes
  1. Nelsonic (talk) Per proposal. They were made by Banpresto, usable in arcades, and required money to play.
No
  1. Camwoodstock (talk) You don't really interact with it aside from sitting on it; if there was a more game-ified aspect to it, kinda like Waku Waku Sonic Patrol Car, maybe? But as it stands, this is a little too non-interactive.
  2. Nintendo101 (talk) per my board game vote.

Do the remaining water games on the list of merchandise move to the list?

Deadline: April 19, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Yes
  1. Nelsonic (talk) Per proposal.
  2. Camwoodstock (talk) Per ourselves in the original proposal's comments; they are interactive games with a blatant physical, mechanical element to them. The lack of "video" isn't a hurdle so long as the Game & Watch games exist.
No
  1. Nintendo101 (talk) per my board game vote. This is not comparable to Game & Watch.

The Comment Games

@Nintendo101, unless us and everyone we know has been using it very wrong, we don't really see how the board game vote applies to Nintendo Today!... ;P not that it matters, as we agree that Nintendo Today! would be overkill to include either way unless they were more interactive, but y'know, Camwoodstock-sigicon.png~Camwoodstock ( talk • contribs ) Camwoodstock-sigicon2.png 20:23, April 5, 2025 (EDT)

Also, Wikipedia does italicise Jenga. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 20:30, April 5, 2025 (EDT)

If we decide to keep the non-video games off the list of games, I feel like a name change to "List of video games" might be a good idea (though the link on the main page can keep it shortened to "Games" for simplicity if need be). Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 20:43, April 5, 2025 (EDT)

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