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Mario's Last Name

I would argue that the source for Mario's last name also being Mario is false. Miyamoto's quote clearly leaves Mario and Luigi's last name ambiguous, equating it to Mickey Mouse not really having a last name. https://nintendoeverything.com/miyamoto-says-marios-full-name-is-mario-mario/ --Seandwalsh (talk) 10:28, 20 November 2018 (EST)

That was back in 2012. Miyamoto has embraced the last name since 2015, even joking more recently that Link's full name is just like Mario's: Link Link. LinkTheLefty (talk) 10:42, 20 November 2018 (EST)

I'd argue that just because Miyamoto says Mario has a last name doesn't mean it's true. It's like how J.K. Rowling said Hermione was black even though the books (she wrote) clearly stated that she had white skin. Miyamoto says Mario has a last name but none of the games back up this claim. The only real source for Mario having a last name is the 1993 Mario Movie and that is shown to not be canon to the games.--Pizza Master (talk) 19:08, August 6, 2023 (EDT)

Except that nothing in the games contradicts Mario being the last name, so we have no reason to not trust Miyamoto on the subject. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 19:38, August 15, 2023 (EDT)

If Miyamoto flip-flops between whether they do or don't have a last name, can we really trust that they do? What if he flip-flops back to saying they (Mario and Luigi) don't have last names? Also, though the games don't contradict Miyamoto they also don't support Miyamoto either. I think we should leave the last name blank because there has yet to be confirmation from the games on the subject.-- Pizza Master 17:22, August 16, 2023 (EDT)

If he changes his mind again then we'll reflect that, but he hasn't done so since 2015, and he only changed his mind once anyway. And if we were to remove information on the basis of not being confirmed nor denied by the games, the wiki would be pretty different (there's plenty of enemies that are unnamed in the games and use their names from guides, books, websites, emails, etc.). Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 08:43, August 17, 2023 (EDT)

Fair enough. Though, I do think that Mario having the same first and last name is pretty dumb. It makes me wonder; Is Wario's full name Wario Wario?-- Pizza Master 16:03, August 17, 2023 (EDT)

If that were the case, Waluigi's full name would be "Waluigi Wario". However, Wario and Waluigi's last names weren't confirmed by Nintendo, only Mario's full name was confirmed to be "Mario Mario"; also making Luigi's full name "Luigi Mario". Jake Lugo (talk) 10:08, March 9, 2024 (EST)

The writing is AWFUL

I needed something to listen to while I worked on something, so I had text-to-speech read out this article because I was curious. Most of the article is fine, but the "History" section is a complete and utter mess. Tons of poor grammar, spelling and grammatical errors, missing words, nonsensical statements, unnecessary information, and unrelated tangents. Everything beyond the History section is competently written, so it's just the big section that goes over all the games Mario has been in.

I'm afraid I don't have the time to fix it, but I thought I would at least bring it up here. 96.48.239.44 07:34, 19 January 2019 (EST)

You mean you can't? Yes, it is protected. You have to create an account first, make at least 5 edits on pages, during 4 days, and you'd be autoconfirmed to edit the page. -- FanOfYoshi at 07:46, 19 January 2019 (EST)

Uhh... No, I said "I don't have the time" because I don't have the time. 96.48.239.44 20:43, 19 January 2019 (EST)

Okay... Can you provide a few examples of the "awful" writing? ^(T|C) 02:57, 20 January 2019 (EST)

Please just remove Mario's dang height....

There is no confirmation on what Mario's "canon" height is as far as I'm aware and saying Mario's canon height is 155cm just because a Statue that said "Life Size" on it exists is an outright stupid reason to say he's over 5 feet, and it's outright insane to think he's somehow 155cm, it makes no sense whatsoever and it's offensive to short people such as myself, because I stand at 165cm and I will never grow a bit anymore. And when someone says stubby freakin' Mario is 155cm, I find that so insulting, especially when Mario Odyssey gameplay depicts Mario just a tiny bit taller than a freaking Fire Hydrant, which Hydrants are standardized at around 2 feet, and when I measured a Fire Hydrant height, it was 2'06" not to mention I measured my own head at 9 inches, and doing the math with a ripped model (from a Gmod Addon) of the New Donk Male Citizen, measured the height in heads (removing the head from the rest of the mesh and stacking the heads on top of each other), the height in heads was 7.05, I took my own height (65 inches) and divided it by 9, and I got 7.22, which means I must be taller than the New Donk City male citizen, if anything, Mario stands at 3'00" (92cm) not to mention he displays common complications of Dwarfism, for instance, he's usually bow legged and has a slight hunch back. And, I mean, unlike people who claim Mario is 155cm, at the very least I can show my work that shows how I got my answer for Mario's height, and essentially show prove, and evidence of Mario's height being otherwise - https://ibb.co/WKMm22j and to think, people have yet to convince me Mario is somehow 5 feet, and honestly, I'll probably never believe it, because it's so outlandish and stupid to think, want to know why using that "Life Size" statue is so stupid? - https://us.amazon.com/Authentic-Nintendo-Licensed-Super-Collectible/dp/B01IGY1AFA it is apparently a "Life Size" Mario plush... yet it's a completely different number in height from the dang statue... And Let's be honest, I have more evidence on my side, Against calculations? Rather have officials say so? Welp, here ya go - https://gonintendo.com/stories/293589-super-mario-odyssey-director-explains-why-new-donk-city-takes-a-r, Want More? Take more - https://www.dualshockers.com/miyamoto-explains-initially-worried-super-mario-odyssey/, notice that our key words on that second one are "Miyamoto" and "Normal People" Mario just can't be 5 feet, it makes no sense, and, well, this is probably a stupider reason I have to disbelieve it, but wouldn't it look so dang weird if a 155cm Mario were next to any anime girl of the height of 5 feet, like a lot of them are?

If you aren't mad at me for making this message and trying to defend my short height of 165cm (in imperial terms, that's 5'05"), and if you decided to take the time to look at my calculations and my points rather than outright say "UR RAWNG! UR RAWNG! IGNURINCE" or nailing me to a cross and burning it to the ground for saying Mario isn't over 5 feet tall, Thank You. GoldyFish110 (talk) 21 June 2019

Sorry I don't think you can delete information from an article (ESPECIALLY not Mario's) without a proposal. I'manumber1 (talk) 13:42, October 31, 2021 (EDT)

Sigh... I didn't wanna ask this again, but

Please remove a certain something from this quote I put here "Mario wears a trademark cap, brown hair (although the DiC cartoons sometimes depict it as black), a black or dark-brown mustache, and overalls and is 155 cm (5 ft, 1 in) tall.[24]" That certain something is "and is 155 cm (5 ft, 1 in) tall.[24]" Please, that is false information, and completely unconfirmed. Not to mention I personally find it very insulting, as a 165cm guy, so not only is this false information, but it's insulting and a mockery toward short people. If you aren't gonna respond to my first comment where I link several sources to debunk 155cm Mario as well as showing my math, then I have only few things to assume, either you don't care about short people's feelings and think this is a canon thing just cuz Matpat said so, or no one saw my last comment. Now don't get after me for being peeved when making this comment, ya didn't respond to the last in anyway, either show me an actually valid source that isn't the stupid statue, or get rid of that one quote. Please please please please please, It's soooooo annoying when people say Mario is 155cm, and the fact the freakin' Mario wiki is saying this, I'm not surprised, they got Larry's height way wrong, and I had to go in there and fix it and state that Larry is actually shorter than Mario and is in no way the same size as freakin' Peach, which was the dumbest oversight I've seen. I'm not trying to be mean or rude, I'm just peeved that "and is 155 cm (5ft, 1 in) tall." remains on Mario's page, and the fact I was never given any response for my last comment, what, you want to keep claiming Mario is 5 feet yet at the same time, you know my math and my sources probably debunk that by a landslide? Oh dear I really apologize about the anger on this... GoldyFish110 (talk) 23? I think, I forgot to change the day so I guess I won't know, June 2019

First of all, if you feel insulted by a fictional character's height, yet you are taller yourself and people can actually be shorter, you might need to rethink something. People can be various heights, and Mario's 5'1" is certainly possible. There's nothing insulting here in the slightest.

Second, yes, the only source we have for that statement is a Kotaku article, which isn't the most credible source. Not only that, but the page being referenced is actually dead! If you can find something better, that would help.

Third, Mario is, again, a fictional character. His height fluctuates based on the game. Sonic is confirmed to be 3'3", yet Mario can stand about the same height in the Olympic Games. Even if he has a confirmed height or not, it doesn't really matter in terms of gameplay. 11:24, June 24, 2019 (EDT)

I agree with Alex95! It's subjective! -- FanOfYoshi at 12:32, June 24, 2019 (EDT)

Well, 165cm is 5'05" and that is short, and yes, it's taller than 5'01" but how much taller? And it must be worse for people who are also full grown adults, but shorter than me, right, because of a certain reason, Honestly... I feel insulted by a fictional character's height being claimed to be over 5 feet because of how Mario was depicted next to realistic people, so this is why I feel insulted by that - and this - now look at that, say Mario is 5'01" and tell me that doesn't sound like an insult or jab at people who are below 6 feet tall, just look at that, my calculations with heads, and the two sources I sent and tell me they didn't at the very least retcon Mario somehow being 5 feet, he's like, a little taller than a freakin' hydrant for crying out loud. Also, how is Mario being 155cm possible? I don't get it, I did all the math I could, and he's never that tall, compare him to objects and he's always shorter than 5 feet, and actually, when you pay attention, Mario's height is surprisingly consistent... with not being 5 feet, but rather, around the 3 foot mark. And with the heads thing, measuring Mario how I was told to by one of the articles "I thought that we needed a scale that was easy to understand. Users will wonder how high Mario can jump and how far he can fall. We thought that it would be easier for users to understand and relate to the world in which they actually live. Mario is a strong enough character that he fits in just fine in a realistic environment." They said for measuring his jump height, but I use that for measuring his Mario height, I compare him to the realistic people, and the realistic people happen to be 7.05 heads tall when T-Posed, I'm 7.22 heads tall, and I'm 5'05" and because of this, I must be taller than the New Donkers, and my estimate is that they're about 5'03" and I got 92cm (3'00") for Mario's height given the size in heads of myself and the New Donker, I must be taller than the New Donker, while I don't think my measurements were super efficient given I was forced to use imperial measurements because I didn't have a metric measuring tape and I don't actually know anyone who is 7.05 heads tall, but at the very least it makes more sense than saying he's 5'01" cuz statue said so, at least, that's the only source I know of that say's he's 5'01" and even then, there is a "Life Size" Mario Plush that is 48 inches, Also, I'm insulted because I'm short, I'm classified as short, and so is 5'01" because 5'05" is only like, what, 4 inches taller, 10cm taller. So yes, I'm taller, but not much, and I'm still classified as short...

And well, about finding something better, I did find something better, but it doesn't really confirm Mario's height, it just confirms he isn't 5 feet, it was those two sources... And I apologize for making a large comment, I can't freaking stand this, and I really don't think there is any "confirmation" and if that article said anything, can you tell me who said the supposed height of Mario?

Okay EDIT: I took a look at the dead link's name (as in, hovered the mouse over it) and SIGH, that's just the "Life-Sized" Mario statue, and as I said before, "Life-Sized" Mario plush, and it's a completely different height, as far as I'm aware, Mario doesn't have an officially canon height, but is likely around 3 feet tall, as I calculated him to be 92cm tall. GoldyFish110 (talk) 24 June 2019

I don't see how this is insulting, it's more supposed to be humorous. Mario's always been on the short side, but I don't really know why they went with realistic proportions for the New Donkers. Probably because of Pauline (it also resembles Sonic '06). The Mario world is weird, there's no real set canon height for anything.

As for where the claim initially came from... Only thing coming to mind is Game Theory. I don't know what the Kotaku article said, or if they had an official story. Searching "Mario's official height" in Google doesn't help, neither does Wikipedia. I'm leaving the dead link template next to the source anyway, in hopes it can be replaced or updated later.

I don't think 5'5" is short, I think that's pretty average. 14:30, June 24, 2019 (EDT)

Actually, one of the articles I sent explains why they went with the realistic proportions for the New Donkers, I'll link it again - https://gonintendo.com/stories/293589-super-mario-odyssey-director-explains-why-new-donk-city-takes-a-r and there is this source too, but it doesn't explain anything - https://gamerant.com/super-mario-odyssey-miyamoto-worry-new-donk-city/ where Miyamoto says "Where Mario is THIS Tall and Normal People are just a little bit taller" Though perhaps you aren't listening to them because they're bad sources? Tell me, do these sources seem valid? I decided to never go with Nintendo Life sources, however, because they tried to trick people into thinking the next Cuphead game was gonna be in an anime art style. And this - https://www.ebay.com/p/Nintendo-Licensed-Giant-Life-Size-Super-Mario-48-4ft-Plush-Doll-Toy-Very-RARE/2256117198 just sort of shows why it's a bad idea to go with the statue height thing, heheh. And to be honest, what I was thinking about when people say Mario is 5'01" and I look at New Donk City, I think about a Theadore Roosevelt political cartoon drawing where for some reason they depicted him as being way cartoonishly short, and I didn't find it funny. Also, I think my height, being 165cm, it is actually short, at least in America, where I lived all my life, until now (I'm Finally free) I was much shorter than everyone there, though I didn't look too much shorter or feel too much shorter, I was just short, and I mostly only ever compared to the girls in height, even then they were taller than me for the most part, oh, and American School was the same place the teacher showed me that political art, where everyone was taller than me and I noticed it much more, and the political art making fun of short heights, that got to me, and currently living in Czech, my height doesn't feel much different around people at stores and such, I still feel like a short stack. Also, I did my calculations, and this is my math I did - https://ibb.co/WKMm22j and to be honest, with no actual confirmation on the character's height, does the height really need to be on the page? It really isn't true as far as I'm aware, and I also had problems a while back with people claiming Larry Koopa was the same size as Princess Peach, arguing with the Larry Koopa fan who probably knew what he was talking about when saying that Larry is actually shorter than Mario, from what I calculated, Larry seems to be around 74cm, or 2'05" (with pixel measurements in the 3DS Mario and Luigi games given those are my favorite games and I gave up long ago trying to calculate every single height, and I only really need one Larry Koopa height for my fan game starring Larry given I want to put him next to anime characters who have confirmed heights of their own, I even got Ludwig's official voice actor from Mario Kart 8 in it, and it was cool), and yeah, about Game Theory, that made it worse actually, and it made me miserable for a while debating the height, because people would toss my calculations aside and tell me "YA DIDN'T EVEN TRY ONLY HATIN ON MATPAT CUZ NO ONE BUT MATPAT CAN DO MATH" "U RUSHED THAT CUZ MATPAT'S IQ OF 140 PROVES HE'S RIGHT ABOUT EVERY SINGLE THING OF ALL TIME AND UR POSSIBLE IQ OF 118 DOESN'T COMPARE" and so on, though I can tell them just because Matpat is smart doesn't mean he can't make a mistake, I even more than triple-check my work and they accuse me of rushing it, lol. I actually feel like I legit want to call Miyamoto on a phone or something and ask him myself how tall is Mario, just to end the debates, lol, though perhaps that's going too far, and I don't even know if Miyamoto can speak English. Though the rest of that stuff aside, the political cartoon, sometimes jokes are funny, but I don't see how this is, it's just saying "look, see that dwarf, he's 5 feet, just like you short people! hahahaha!" maybe they should make a tall person joke and say "he's over 6 feet tall" yet display him as around twice the normal people's sizes.

GoldyFish110 (talk) 24 June 2019

Yeah, interviews are proper sources. I don't believe the Game Theory (or any of the theories), but it's popular. See this for example. It gets around.

Anyway, your point is completely lost on me here in the midst of this large wall of text. I already agreed what we have on Mario's height is debatable, but I'd rather we find a new source that confirms something than outright remove the one we already have. New Donk isn't the first time Mario's stepped into realistic worlds, either; take the various episodes of The Super Mario Bros. Super Show and The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3.

Miyamoto knows some English, but not a lot. I think he can understand it, but can't really hold a conversation with it. 15:37, June 24, 2019 (EDT)

oh, I apologize for making it so large, heheh, though I think that if Mario doesn't have a confirmed height, why bother put his height on the page to begin with, heheh, is it really nessessary? and not to mention the dead link, it used the statue as the source (some vandalizer that watches Game Theory must have put it there if you don't know anything about it), and the statue can easily be proven to be a really bad source because of this - https://www.ebay.com/p/Nintendo-Licensed-Giant-Life-Size-Super-Mario-48-4ft-Plush-Doll-Toy-Very-RARE/2256117198 also, the TV shows aren't really canon, so I don't count them, heheh. And I did calculations using the two sources, this is what I got for Mario's accurate height - https://ibb.co/WKMm22j and I would like to ask Miyamoto if this is correct, heheh, and just simply that. Also, I became so obsessed with Mario character heights because of both Game Theory making a horrible theory on New Donk City and I'm making a fangame starring Larry Koopa, and I needed an actual height for Larry, given I'm going to put him next to anime characters with confirmed heights of their own, and he'd look bizarre at around 4 feet, not to mention I don't believe Mario is 5 feet to begin with, oh, and also, I managed to get Ludwig's official Mario Kart 8 voice actor in my fan game to voice Ludwig, and it was cool, and very fun. GoldyFish110 (talk) 24 June 2019

Looking at the reason why you're asking, I can assure you that Mario's height is the least concern. You can draw or model Larry as being as tall as Mario and you'd still agree with official material or you can go overboard and you'd still agree with concept artMedia:NSMBW_Bosses_Concept_Art.jpg. If anything, New Donk City and Mario & Sonic reconfirmed how relatively important is Mario's size.--Mister Wu (talk) 17:12, June 24, 2019 (EDT)

I'm not sure what's to get so worked up on a source. Maybe we should change the language to "Mario's height is suggested to be 5'1'' tall, but other sources have a disparity on the height, such as the comic of a guy smacking a small Mario around, Mario being really short to New Donkers, and Mario being more 'normal' in cartoon". Mario's height is similar to its relationship to Bowser's height, being wildly inconsistent. But what is established in official bios is that Mario is intended to be shorter than normal, such as the reference to "little Mario" in the original Donkey Kong, Mei Ling referring to Mario on "the short side", the cartoon bio calling him the "the shortest, chubbiest, most comedic-looking superhero ever to have his own show," and likely more that I missed, such as the "shorty" insults. Also, we don't dismiss sources for not being "canon", Mario has no canon, so official information should always be taken into account. Not arguing that the cartoon sources are the de facto information, but if they do list a specific height for him, we have to document it. Calculations in of themselves require a lot of assumptions to be made (such as when calculating a New Donker height) and you also had to ad hoc assumptions about the possibility of a statue being vandalized, which is not good thinking. The best way to go around, IMO, is to just apply Occam's Razor and document size disparities, rewrite the sentence that implies that Mario's height is confirmed 155cm and just way it's one of the few precise sources but most are ambiguous and inconsistent like Bowser's height in relation to Mario's. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 18:02, June 24, 2019 (EDT)

Okay, I apologize if I seemed too direct and mean, I really don't want to be, I just want to get my point across, just saying, you should still dismiss all "Life Size" Statues, figures, whatever, because as I've said before, there is a "Life Size" Mario Plush that stands at 4 Feet tall, and none of those statues seem to be the same height, heck, I even found a 4 foot Mario statue, a really old one, and it still says "Life Size" heheh. I think that "Life Size" in statues just means that it's a large size, like, Human-sized. And, while yes, I did have to assume the New Donker's heads were also roughly 9 inches, the assumption didn't inherently ruin the calculations, because while yes, the head size was assumed, but if they are around 7.05 heads tall, and I'm around 7.22 heads tall, and I'm 165cm, shouldn't the New Donker's NOT be taller than me? And 9 inches would be a very close head size for them when they have a very close height in heads to what I have. Given it takes less of their own head to make their full height, very slightly less of their own head than for me, but less of their own head nonetheless, and shouldn't their head size be a fraction smaller than my own if anything? My calculations would have been better if I knew someone just a little shorter than me with a height of 7.05 heads, but I mean, they aren't terrible, of course, I'm not asking to say Mario's height is what I calculated, because I'm aware that it is unconfirmed, I'm asking that Mario's height is removed entirely (and as I explained, the plush is also "Life Size" so Life Size in merch probably just means large sized and like a human in height)and if Mario's height is really something inconsistent, why have a height for him on the page? Ah well, I think I can edit this page now, probably because I was annoying about it (I apologize for being annoying about it, but thanks for granting me access to editing the page, I saw what was done there, the statue was swapped in for a different one that was close in size, but as I explained before, the plush, but is it okay if I just, remove Mario's height entirely, I really don't think that "Life Size" is meant to be taken literally, and is it okay if I just remove it myself now? I just wanna make sure I'm not doing anyone wrong by removing it) GoldyFish110 (talk) 25 June 2019

Mister Wu, I mean, if I said that if I made Larry 4 feet, it'll look bizarre, why would I make him 5 feet or bigger, that'll look worse, heheh, not trying to be rude or anything, just saying, and going "underboard" would not agree with official material, now would it. He mostly is shorter than Mario on average with most of his heights, so I'm just gonna say shorter than Mario, though it would be a great idea to calculate all his heights and figure out which one is the average, actually, then I'll change his height again in my fan game, I think Color Splash is the only exception to that rule actually (and the concept art, but he's smaller in the actual game), but that's Paper Larry, heheh, and Paper Jam pretty much established that the Paper characters are completely different from the regular characters, and even then, the sprite size is shorter, so I don't exactly know how tall Color Splash Larry is because Paper Mario decided to do me dirty by re-sizing the plane, lol. And if Mario doesn't have a truly canon height (which I agree with), why would I use a height that is around 5 feet? Just because there are statues around 5 feet? But there is a Plush that is around 4 feet. Yeah, Mario has no canon, but I still think there are standards, such as things that Nintendo have very little involvement with should not be included (this includes the cartoons) and you shouldn't take a statue height seriously. EDIT: Also, How is the height the least of my concern when I'm putting Larry next to anime characters with confirmed heights to begin with? I can't just slap 'im in there and put him at whatever random height he ends up being, I'll end up with inconsistency, and that's the last thing I'd want to deal with, heheh. GoldyFish110 (talk) 25 June 2019

And oh dear, I apologize for all this writing. GoldyFish110 (talk) 25 June 2019

See, you're making assumptions on how tall a New Donker is (no, seriously, you don't actually know how truly tall a New Donker is; relative sizes are only part of the picture) and then working on their proportions without knowing how tall they actually are. I think life-size isn't just large, it's supposed to be how Mario is sized in real life. If there are several officially licensed products disagreeing with each other, we should mention it in the article. Again, the entire point is to show that Mario's height is inconsistent, and the evidence provided reinforces that point more. My solution was to change the writing that's at odds with conflicting sources to be more line with the conflicting sources. Don't remove the source, add others and rewrite the section. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 14:39, June 25, 2019 (EDT)

Thing is, I have a T-posed model of the New Donker, so I wasn't just using screenshots, and I ripped the New Donker from a Gmod addon and I worked on their proportions and made an estimate (or an educated guess, I think) of how tall they are based on their size in heads, and my own size in head, it's not a perfect estimate, but I personally don't think it's that bad given the head size would have to be such a small difference. I also found two interviews, one where Yoshiaki Koizumi was interviewed, and one where Shigeru Miyamoto was interviewed, and Yoshiaki Koizumi flat out says that New Donk City was realistic because they thought it would be easier on the user to measure how high Mario can jump and how far he can fall when compared to the people that the users live around, implying that they definitely payed close attention to how tall they were making the people and their realistic proportions so that users can get an idea of how high Mario's jump is, and it isn't far off to use this for his own height, right, which is what I did, otherwise, if they just didn't care, slap Mario into the realistic world, then they probably wouldn't tell us to compare him to the realistic humans. Yes, Mario's height is usually inconsistent, and they usually don't care about how tall they make Mario, just as long as he fits, but this time, I think they did care, This time, I think they cared because they wanted to show off Mario's true abilities, I apologize if I sound rude or anything, I don't want to be. I should probably link some more new found sources of "Life Size" Mario's, heheh, since I found a bunch - https://www.ebay.com/itm/Deluxe-Super-Mario-Nintendo-Statue-Figur-1-1-Replica-Life-Size-ca-50-cm/113736739548?epid=1633578282&hash=item1a7b3ceadc:g:gJwAAOSwCkZZTNOD I also found this - https://www.ebay.com/itm/Giant-Life-Size-Super-Mario-Plush-Soft-Toy-Around-3ft-Tall-Jumbo-Gamer-Gift-NWT/143216777245?hash=item215862981d:g:zHwAAOSwRXhctOyN, and, I mean, I'm not the type who will completely emit all information that goes against me saying he's below 5 feet, I just don't think he's 5 feet or taller, but - https://www.ebay.com/itm/MARIO-MARIO-BROTHERS-65-Tall-Life-Size-CARDBOARD-CUTOUT-Standee/333126264095?hash=item4d8fdf651f:g:PTIAAOSwGFZck--B (And it's the most insulting height I've seen for Mario), it's the exact same height as myself (165cm) Though I did see the latest edit on the page, and thank you for acknowledging the 4 foot tall plush, but I guess since I'm found all this, and may find more, would it be okay if I just, put all the "Life Size" merch on the physical description, say "According to the height of his life-size figure, he is 150 cm (4 ft, 11 in) tall,[24] though other life-size merchandise depict Mario as shorter at 122 cm (4 feet tall)[source for the 4 foot tall plush], though it doesn't end there as there is also other life size merchandise that seem to imply all kinds of different heights, such as 50 cm (1 ft, 7.6in)[source of 50 cm figure] (Oh my gosh, this one's ridiculous, about as ridiculous as the 5 foot Marios, I mean, I believe he's under 5 feet and abnormally short, but not this short, heheh, I do have standards), 3 feet [source of the 3 foot tall plush] (Perfect, because 3 feet is 92 cm, and as I calculated...), 155cm [I'll try to find a new source for this](the most popular height, and I don't like it), and 65 inches (5 ft, 5 in)[source of cutout](ouch), Though official interviews seem to imply that New Donk City was made realistic so that players can measure Mario's abilities by comparison to the people they live around[source of the Why New Donk City took a realistic approach source I sent], even one debunking a popular fan theory [link to Super Mario Odyssey's GIANT Problem, by game theory] by implying that the New Donkers are "Normal People"[source of the Miyamoto was worried about how players would react to seeing New Donk City that I sent], which, in theory, should possibly put Mario at about 3 feet tall in Super Mario Odyssey." So, without all my comments, how's this? Eeeh, I just think adding that he is depicted as 50cm in a life size merch just isn't right, while saying he's over 5 feet is weird in my opinion, saying he's 50 cm is also so weird, and I can't stop questioning this. And I really feel like that source may come off as mocking, but I'm really not trying to be, and I apologize greatly if it does come off as mocking, I really am not trying to mock anyone, it's just, it says "Life Size" on it, and it's 50 cm, and ehhhh, okay I should stop typing, and I apologize for the lengthy comment... Oh, but about Smash Bros, I think no one is to scale compared to characters that are not from the same series, I mean, look at Kirby, he was confirmed to be 20cm (8 inches) yet he's not really tiny by comparison to other characters, and again, I apologize for the lengthy comment, should I make the edit as the quote I made, and any suggestions on wording things differently? GoldyFish110 (talk) 25 June 2019

Let's put it clearly: trying to find a common height from the games for your own works isMedia:SMG Talking to Captain Toad.png pointlessMedia:Captain toad odyssey.jpg. The size of Mario and the others vary from game to game, you can't extrapolate some kind of "right" height, not even in relative terms. You just need to do what Nintendo does, adapting the height to what you are making so that it works best. Of course, you might want to use the official height chartsMedia:Mario 3DS chart.png and theMedia:Kansai Group Artwork.jpg artworkMedia:Nintendo JP Twitter million followers.jpg, but Nintendo couldn't care less about following these if they go against what they are doing (mostly, if they negatively affect gameplay or the animations). You absolutely need not to worry about this, it's a non-exisitng problem. As far as the main page is concerned, considering the great variability in the height of the life-size statues, that case was just one among many different ones that got picked up because of gaming journalism. If you really want to keep that kind of info, list the minimum height and maximum height found for those life-size figures, with references, but I wouldn't go beyond that, it would really clutter the page with what is basically trivia outside of the trivia section.--Mister Wu (talk) 21:19, June 25, 2019 (EDT)

It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 23:56, June 25, 2019 (EDT)

Ok, I know this isn't the place to ask this but...

I'm new to this wiki, how do I create a page? Do I have to earn those rights? Please help.
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by KrazyKaos42212 (talk).

You will become autoconfirmed after you make 10 edits and have an account for at least 7 days. --Super Mario Fan ⁶⁷ (T•C•S) 15:13, July 14, 2019 (EDT)

Re: Mario's Playschool

While searching for proof that the name was used as an alternate release name for Mario's Early Years! Preschool Fun, I thought of something: Would the international release having a different name count as a separate entry, or would it be possible to combine the entries somehow? -- Lord G. matters. 00:42, July 22, 2019 (EDT)

Especially in the past, it wasn't unusual that the Japanese names of the "Mario" games were different from the corresponding Western names (e.g. Yoshi's Road Hunting, Super Mario Collection, Mario Story, Mario & Luigi RPG), this alone didn't warrant a separate entry. If there are significant differences in terms of content, then I think a new entry can be considered.--Mister Wu (talk) 12:18, July 22, 2019 (EDT)

Flappy Bird

It is recommended to add his appearance in Flappy Bird. He only shows up when you get a score of 999.
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gogogomario (talk).

He doesn't, that's from a fake video. Mario JC 21:18, February 15, 2020 (EST)

Yeah. The guy had just used Super Mario™ pipes and similar ground tiles which just annoyed Nintendo but had Dong Nguyen actually put Mario in the game Nintendo would've noticed since the game was a huge success and they would've sued and removed the game from the app store. I'manumber1 (talk) 17:32, December 7, 2021 (EST)

Religion

I recommend that we should add that Mario is a Muslim. Miyamoto specifically said that Mario was a Muslim when he was interviewed by the king of Saudi Arabia on his trip to Mecca. Please add this!!!
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by 108.6.241.194 (talk).

Please provide a source for this claim. ^(T|C) 20:26, May 4, 2020 (EDT)

That is definitely just a stupid meme, but apparently he is ACTUALLY Christian, Jewish, and Muslim according to the Mario Quiz Cards. Grandet Omate (talk) 22:21, July 26, 2020 (EDT)

Wait I'm confused? Didn't Miyamoto say that Mario was "Homo Nintendous"? I'manumber1 (talk) 13:45, October 31, 2021 (EDT)

Mario's hair

Hey, um, I've been reading all this info, and this probably isn't a big deal, but I'm curious why in the section describing Mario's physical appearance it doesn't mention him gaining realistic hair in games starting with Super Mario Odyssey. It it because of how the level of detail to his har still is different between appearance, or is this just something that's never been brought up?--70.126.227.39 16:04, May 6, 2020 (EDT)

The thing is that Mario still has the exact same hairstyle, except now much more realistic in Odyssey. Then you come to the issue that Odyssey is actually the only game to have that level of detail in Mario's artwork. Mario Tennis Aces and Super Mario Party artwork gives Mario more detailed hair than normal, but nowhere near to Odyssey. Even that seems like it's mostly been dropped, with NSMBU Deluxe and Mario Maker 2 returning to the old level of detail. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 17:46, May 6, 2020 (EDT)

Okay, in U Deluxe and Maker 2, that seems to be more of a case to keep consistent with the original games (or in Maker 2's case, the in-game models) than because it's been dropped, because Nintendo is still using the detailed hair in newer, marketing artwork and games like Tokyo 2020. But thank you for explaining why the information isn't listed in the wiki page, I've been curious on it for a while!--70.126.227.39 18:29, May 6, 2020 (EDT)

You're welcome - for what it's worth, Mario only has the somewhat more detailed hair in the artwork used on the game's cover but none of his other artwork for that game. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 19:05, May 6, 2020 (EDT)

To be fair, SMM2 uses the same model he had in NSMBW, over 10 years ago. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:17, May 6, 2020 (EDT)

split.

jumpman is not mario
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by FatYoshi (talk).

He absolutely is. The arcade flyer called him Mario, as did home port manuals. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:27, June 6, 2020 (EDT)

That's just Game Theory nonsense. Miyamoto confirmed that Jumpman is Mario. Always has been. I'manumber1 (talk) 13:48, October 31, 2021 (EDT) Jumpman is the same guy as Mario. Gandalf (talk) 12:12, March 12, 2023

"Vulgar Tendencies"

Listen, there's just something that strikes me a little odd under the Personality section. There is a moderately long list of "vulgar" actions Mario has taken throughout his portrayals. These include urinating on Yoshi, passing gas, but smack dab in the middle of this list is "cross-dressing several times". Is this referring to his dress in Odyssey? This implies it's some kind of Super Mario Perversion or something and the way it's put right between farting and pissing is just kind of insulting. I know this will be written off as meaningless offence taken by something inconspicuous, but you have to admit the way it's put is insulting and can be taken as transphobic. Mario wears it like any other outfit, how exactly is that vulgar? It's not even displayed as a joke in-game, he's just doing it because he thinks it looks neat. I can't think of any other times he's been drawn in feminine clothing but they were probably just cliche guy-in-women's-clothing jokes, and I can't imagine they'd be canon. --75.185.75.178 21:57, July 26, 2020 (EDT)

I don't know what you’re trying to say, but there is this: [1] Grandet Omate (talk) 22:12, July 26, 2020 (EDT)

That one was unintentional. The actual reference is to the Kodansha Manga, which had him dressing as Sailor Moon characters while dirty jokes are going on, among other things. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:27, July 27, 2020 (EDT)

Okay that's great and all now go ahead and erase it please. I'd think more effort would be put into making this article more professional since it's about the mascot of the entire series but whatever 75.185.75.178 22:24, July 28, 2020 (EDT)

Mario's latest appearance

It says Mario's Most recent appearance was Paper Mario: The Origami King, But actually it was Tetris 99 (TETRIS x Paper Mario: The Origami King event and cameo) (2020)
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by PROPLAYEN (talk).

Technically Mario already appeared in the game through the SMB and Donkey Kong themes, so a second/third/etc. appearance in the same game doesn't count. Mario JC 02:54, August 2, 2020 (EDT)

Proposal to Add Citation to Mario#Personality

Towards the top of Personality's content (4.1), there's a missing citation. I'm requesting we cite an interview regarding Mario's 20th Anniversary, where Miyamoto provides the uncited information.

Here's the URL: http://shmuplations.com/mario20th/

...and here's a quote from the interview:

—How do you think Mario has become such a big phenomenon?

Miyamoto: I think it was fortuitous that we didn’t put any restrictions on Mario as a character. Normally when you create a character and present him to the world, all the details get filled in: what’s his favorite color? what kind of food does he like to eat? But with Mario, aside from the fact that he’s about 24-25 years old, we didn’t define anything else. The reason why is that we wanted to be able to use Mario in later games, and that wouldn’t work so well if he had characteristics that interfered with a given game’s story. When we make a game we take care not to add incongruencies to that game’s world. With that caveat in mind, I’d like to keep using Mario in future games.

Thanks in advance!

OneShookBoi (talk) 11:43, 29 October 2020 (CST)

Added, thank you! 17:16, October 29, 2020 (EDT)

I'm unable to edit this page myself, sooo...

Since I am still unable to edit Mario's page (I think I was told I had to make 10 edits or something before I could) I still think that "According to the height of his life-size figure, he is 150 cm (4 ft 11 in.) tall,[24] though other life-size merchandise depict Mario as shorter at 122 cm (4 ft) tall.[citation needed]" (as for citations on that, there are multiple - https://www.mercari.com/us/item/m40074925704/ and - https://www.ebay.com/i/163892265533?rt=nc&_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D20160908110712%26meid%3Dbc1e3505ec894f1e99e9ba8096433bc2%26pid%3D100677%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D30%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D193151746661%26itm%3D163892265533%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2386202%26algv%3DDefaultOrganic%26brand%3DNintendo and - https://www.ebay.com/i/193151746661?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28) should not be present on the page. (If you guys REALLY think it's worth taking literally and documenting, I'd say for the least false information spread, that you put it on trivia, or something, but I don't like when this wiki has something wrong, because then people keep spouting it over and over, like, I kept constantly hearing "Larry is the same size as Princess Peach" even though I've counted across multiple games that Larry is consistently always shorter than Mario, though how much shorter fluctuates) Because as I've said before, this is the Mario wiki, and it shouldn't be treating those statues like it's Mario's actual height, that's like saying the 3 foot Life Size Pooh Bear plush is Pooh Bear's canon height as well as the 48 inch Life Size cardboard cutout of Pooh Bear and the 60 inch Life Size cardboard cutout of Pooh Bear, and then claiming Pooh Bear's height is inconsistent and should not be accounted for (when someone needs Pooh Bear's height to actually have a scale for something that isn't up and down all over the place, like, I don't think the people here understand how that works in game development, you literally need a scale to work with for what I'm doing) for the reason of taking "Life Size" in all that literally. Especially when these - https://gonintendo.com/stories/293589-super-mario-odyssey-director-explains-why-new-donk-city-takes-a-r and - https://gamingbolt.com/super-mario-odyssey-miyamoto-was-worried-about-initial-reaction are much better sources, sure, they never reveal the exact number for Mario's height, but they imply that Mario is likely around the size of Sonic. (And they should be documented on this page) Obviously I'm not asking to document any of my calculations, since they are not official sources, but my calcs on New Donk City - https://ibb.co/RCmmMT4 and there is this, which flat out uses the centimeters in Origami King - https://twitter.com/LarryKoopaBest/status/1290236094911361024/photo/1) And as for Mario and Sonic models, at least the Tokyo 2020, I compared Mario to Sonic making Mario 103.3cm, which is very close to what I calculated with the Monster Fish of the Great Sea (Albeit the Monster Fish of the Great Sea was not a good source of measurement considering the Monster Fish of Shogan Studios using the same fish size and is labelled 300cm instead of 400cm, and the little ones are not to scale with each other, but it's just as bad a source as using the meter count to scale Mario's height, my calcs there are also badly measured too, since I didn't have any exacts to compare) I'm sorry for bothering you guys about this, it bothers me so much, and I guess I can't really let it go. (Due to covid19, I am even more unable to book a flight to Japan to ask Miyamoto what Mario's height is, and probably explain why it matters to me, lol) But the reason this continues to bother me is because of when this wiki spreads false information and people constantly flock to it. Mario's height was never revealed and there should be nothing but those interviews written about it, say, the following interviews with Kenta Motokura and Shigeru Miyamoto imply Mario is a pretty short person, or something... And yes, this bothers me partially because of my own height "Look at Mario, he's on the shorter end of 5 feet tall, just like you! Look at him next to those normal 6 foot people!" and I see Mario in New Donk City half the size of the people. But regardless of my own height, which people that aren't kids over 5 and a half feet couldn't possibly understand, the thing that bothers me more is the spread of misinformation and people constantly flocking to this and game theory when saying my calculations are bad, and I mean, they aren't perfect, but claiming they're terrible cuz I didn't say Mario is five feet cuz this and game theory bothers me so much. (GT mostly)

~ Goldyfish110

He has an "official" height, though. In the games, it's just as inconsistent as anyone else's, but his "base" height used for miscellaneous materials is relatively constant. Also, your message was long enough without going on a random tangent to Mr. Bear. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:26, November 5, 2020 (EST)

To be fair though, that life size adjective was very likely referring to the merchandise being near the height of the child owning it, not a statement that the merchandise is the exact size of Mario. I'd be fine with removing the information about Mario's "canonical" height in feet/centimeters.--Mister Wu (talk) 13:50, November 5, 2020 (EST)

Thank you, that's what I've been trying to say this whole time. They mean "Life Size" in that it is a big size almost the size of the child or whoever that it's made to be around, so it's "Life like" Also, Doc von Schemltwick, what is Mario's "official" height in games? I thought his height was never specified as any number. I do know they make him 1.53 units in Odyssey and 1.60 units in Smash 3DS, and then there are others I haven't specified, but Sonic is officially stated as 1 meter yet he's 1.50 units in Mario and Sonic, if I remember correctly. I also don't think the units should count as centimeters, and just using units for scale doesn't work with trying to scale Mario characters next to non-Mario characters, I'd rather scale non-Mario characters by comparison to Larry himself, who currently I have at a 78.7cm height in my game. However, if you need me to quote the interviews since I saw someone quoting an interview earlier.

Kenta Motokura (talking about New Donk City): I thought that we needed a scale that was easy to understand. Users will wonder how high Mario can jump and how far he can fall. We thought that it would be easier for users to understand and relate to the world in which they actually live. Mario is a strong enough character that he fits in just fine in a realistic environment.

Shigeru Miyamoto (talking about New Donk City): I was worried about how players would react to being in a world where Mario is this tall and normal people are a little bit taller. Or the fact that people don’t get mad at Mario when he’s jumping up and down all over the place. But with all that said, I think I realized that the character Pauline has already existed, and the idea of this game taking place in the city worked out really well. And so we ran with it.

I personally think the following interview answers have more validity as sources to them than the statues do.

--GoldyFish110 (talk) 14:07, November 5, 2020 (EST)

When I said that, I was referring primarily to the materials Nintendo gives to third parties when said third parties develop games, like that one relative height chart. The "official height" and "in the games" were two separate thoughts. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:46, November 5, 2020 (EST)

Then again, that is only Mario characters by comparison to each other, and I guess they don't need any particular numbers to make Mario characters by comparison to each other, but Madoka has an officially listed height of 152cm and I was wanting to scale Larry Koopa by comparison to Madoka accurate to the both them. https://youtu.be/jJOEvjtOp3k?t=47 So I hope maybe this helps you understand why I am wanting Mario's height in number, however, the entire time I've been here, I'm really not wanting to debate Mario's height, considering I already have my idea, All I'm asking is that the "Life Size" isn't taken literally and be removed from the page, because it is spreading false information and people flock to it without second thought because I guess that's just how the masses work for some reason. (They kept doing this constantly with "Larry is the same size as Princess Peach" until I finally came in and edited it) And I don't think the meter counts or even the Monster Fish of the Great Sea had any thought for scale put into them (Mario and Sonic probably did, however, because of Bowser in Wreck-it Ralph, Miyamoto, I believe, asked that Bowser's height be changed in the Wreck-it Ralph scene he was in) they're just numbers to be displayed on the screen. And for games created by a team, I doubt the whole team knows what Mario's height is nor even cares. But since I'm doing LarryDS mostly alone, I care.--GoldyFish110 (talk) 15:15, November 5, 2020 (EST)

I already agreed to remove it last time you brought this up, if our only available sources are third-party whatevers, so I'm for doing it now. Not sure why it wasn't already. And, again, you seem to be taking this way too personally. He's also the about the same height as Sonic, who is 3'3". 16:38, November 5, 2020 (EST)

Oh yeah, there is that too, but literally all I'm asking is Mario's height (the statues) to be removed. Because the definition of life size in that case isn't literal. And to say Mario is around 5 feet tall doesn't make sense with the interview on why New Donk City was designed to be realistic. Those other things such as Mario and Sonic or Smash Bros or Mario Odyssey can all stay, but the statues should go due to not actually being literal. I'm trying to be as non personal as possible with this response, I hope I'm not being too personal just by saying the statues should go...

Nevermind this whole thing, I was just able to edit the page. I'm sorry for starting this up, I was just being stupid, lol, I guess I am an auto-confirmed user, but I swear it didn't let me save my changes earlier. I'm sorry for all the this conversation and kinda wasting everyone's time, lmao!--GoldyFish110 (talk) 17:15, November 5, 2020 (EST)

Those statues are not a valid reference. As I've said time after time again, Life Size, in this context, is not literal and does not mean the official true height of Mario. What they mean by Life Size is that the size that it is for it's target audience is Life Like in size as it is big, almost like the person that owns it. People are brainless, they're gonna see that number and talk as if it's absolute fact, just like the "Larry is the same size as Princess Peach" thing that came from this wiki, people told me, the Larry fan, that I'm wrong because this wiki said otherwise, despite the fact that what I said is in their faces. (regardless of the "Mario does not have a specified height" you added. I am not satisfied with the current revision. Like I said, if those statues (which Life Size means nothing in them) HAVE to be documented, I'd say trivia, and it should be done alongside every other "Life Size" Mario merch, carefully researched to show that the fluctuation is way bigger than that (Life Size 50cm Mario figure), where it's out of the way, because those statues are called "Life Size" because they're big sized, not because they're supposedly other heights for Mario, is the best place to put it. (I can't believe the Mario wiki can't seem to grasp this simple concept that "Life Size" in this context is not literal) There is so much varying sizes in merchandise that it is simply ridiculous to list all as sources for Mario's height and as "proof" that Mario doesn't have a consistent height. Sure Mario's height isn't super consistent, but "Life Size" merchandise is not a valid source ever, and does not serve as a source for what Mario's height is or how inconsistent Mario's height is, as it is really more consistent than anyone gives it credit for, and the interviews on New Donk City only add to that. How about at LEAST documenting the interviews, and put it right in the physical description saying it implies Mario's height is around the size of Sonic, because that is where the "Life Size" merch is documented, and obviously if I make another edit, then I'm doing something wrong, because statue good because statue say "Life Size" or something.--GoldyFish110 (talk) 20:09, November 5, 2020 (EST)

Out of curiosity, what does the description actually say? Does it specifically say Mario is 150 cm tall or is that just the height of the product? I think we should still mention it, but if the description doesn't actually say that's how tall Mario is, we should reword the description to reflect that. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 13:00, November 6, 2020 (EST)

The description says "According to an Amazon listing for the height of his life-size figure, he is 150 cm (4 ft 11 in.) tall.[24]" implying that according to the statue, that is how tall Mario is. But I believe it should at least not say "he is 150cm tall" because people are gonna think that is how tall Mario is, and I've gotten into debates over whether or not Larry was the same size as Princess Peach because this wiki claimed he was, even though he is not. Especially with that kind of source, no one really knows if "Life Size" in that context is literal or not, but I'm pretty sure it isn't, and I think it's rather inappropriate to be assuming it's literal without knowing for sure, because people are going to automatically assume it's 100% factual. I also believe that this wiki really should document the two interviews on New Donk City in the physical description saying that they imply Mario is around the size of Sonic or something, and according to Mario and Sonic, Mario is specifically 103.3cm (3ft 4inch tall) however, maybe I got that wrong. --GoldyFish110 (talk) 20:02, November 6, 2020 (EST)

Do I have permission to change this? I just want to make sure because it continues to bother me being on a wiki page...

Hi, is it okay that I change this

"While Mario is consistently portrayed as a short character, his precise height and proportions vary across media. According to an Amazon listing for the height of his life-size figure, he is 150 cm (4 ft 11 in.) tall.[27] Crossover artwork featuring Mario and Sonic the Hedgehog (who stands at 1 m / 3 ft 3 in.) shows Mario at around the same height as him, if not two or three inches shorter due to Sonic's quills. Mario's height relationship with other humans has been varied. Some media, such as Super Mario Odyssey and Mario's Time Machine, show Mario as much shorter than a realistic human, while others, including Mario Golf, the cartoons, and Super Smash Bros., show Mario's height closer relative to other humans. As far as in game information or other official materials are concerned, Mario does not have a specified height. "

Into this

"While Mario is consistently portrayed as a short character, his precise height and proportions vary across media. There is an amazon listing for a statue of Mario that is 150 cm (4 ft 11 in.) tall.[27] Although it says it's "Life Size" it is unclear if they mean it is just a big size by comparison to the buyer so it's life like or if it is actually meant to be Mario's height. Crossover artwork featuring Mario and Sonic the Hedgehog (who stands at 1 m / 3 ft 3 in.) shows Mario at around the same height as him, if not two or three inches shorter due to Sonic's quills. Although when models for Mario and Sonic at the Tokyo 2020 Olympic games are T-posed, Mario is a little bit taller than Sonic. Mario's height relationship with other humans has been varied. Some media, such as Super Mario Odyssey and Mario's Time Machine, show Mario as much shorter than a realistic human, while others, including Mario Golf, the cartoons, and Super Smash Bros., show Mario's height closer relative to other humans. While an interview with Odyssey's Director implies New Donk City was made for scaling Mario and his abilities while another interview with Miyamoto implies that the humans of New Donk City are normal people, this still does not directly confirm what Mario's height is, so as far as in game information or other official materials are concerned, Mario does not have a specified height. "

I know it's probably bothersome to the moderators and admin for me to ask this, but the Mario wiki REALLY can't be going around having information on their pages like the statue claiming to be directly confirmed as actual sources for Mario's height, and it also really should be documenting the interviews as they are actual sources that imply Mario's height, that's the way I see it. No, I'm not trying to be rude, no I'm not trying to be aggravated, no I'm not trying to be personal about it. --GoldyFish110 (talk) 01:12, November 12, 2020 (EST)

Think it's a good idea to condense plot summary

I've condensed the plot summary for Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga and I just linked for readers more interested in the plot to the main article. Does anyone find this a good way to trim the meat of these kinds of articles? Or should this go through a potential proposal process first? It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 02:14, November 26, 2020 (EST)

I've pretty much done the same thing in Baby Luigi's article, but without the main template. I really don't think you need every single nitty gritty involvement with the plot, just an overview of what they do, what their gameplay quirks are, and anything else. Ray Trace^(T|C) 02:19, November 26, 2020 (EST)

Should this standardization be wiki wide? I can try to run through a proposal if that's needed. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 02:21, November 26, 2020 (EST)

It would definitely be helpful, for sure! GloverMist (talk) 14:22, November 26, 2020 (EST)

Agreed, we don't need to write every single thing a character does throughout the game, especially for major characters like Mario or Bowser who are obviously going to have a lot of information if we go that route. The plot section on the game's page should suffice. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 14:29, November 26, 2020 (EST)

It is almost like rewriting the plot section of a game page. At best, there should be a brief mention of the plot and Mario's role, while mainly covering his abilities in said game (not going into too much detail about returning abilities however). Also, this page loads a lot slower than most other pages on this wiki. Nightwicked Bowser

Yeah, the page is a bandwidth hog. At some point, we're going to have to split off sections of their articles, Wikipedia-style, because at some point, it's going to be unsustainable to keep everything in one. Ray Trace^(T|C) 14:43, November 26, 2020 (EST)

I think that's definitely going to have to happen for some of these characters at some point. There's more trimming on history sections that can be done to shorten it a little, but Mario obviously appears in nearly every piece of media related to the franchise and it's not going to be getting any smaller. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 14:47, November 26, 2020 (EST)

(edit conflict) All right. One thing I want to do is make a template, though. In the Superstar Saga section, the content looks like this.

<span style="font-style:italic">For a complete plot summary, see the main article: [[Mario %26 Luigi: Superstar Saga#Story]]</span>

One of my issues is the possible repetitive links to the main page for the plot or if such a template is even needed (but I want to make it clear the plot has much more information in the main page). But yeah I think this does fall right in recommended by policy, so I hope I'm not, like, strong-arming whatever I think is appropriate through.😅

Also, splitting off the page has been suggested by policy itself, see MarioWiki:Article size. However, there's no specific process outlined above when a page gets too long, and the sheer overwhelming size of the page probably makes it a mammoth task, which is probably why there's a contradiction between that policy and these pages. I think the history section would be a contender to get split from the page, but this is an unprecedented move and might require a proposal. We don't have to suggest a specific byte size but there probably is a reasonable range to go through and we could at least show this and other major characters' articles as examples to judge by as well as visible impact on loading time they have. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 14:55, November 26, 2020 (EST)

I don't think that main template is necessary, since the section would already link to the main game article anyway. Ray Trace^(T|C) 14:59, November 26, 2020 (EST)

I'm not sure if this edit seems like one that matters, but

Is it okay that I change "The director of Super Mario Odyssey, Kenta Motokura, stated in an interview that New Donk City was scaled to showcase the extent of Mario's abilities in a realistic environment" into "The director of Super Mario Odyssey, Kenta Motokura, stated in an interview that New Donk City was realistic to showcase the extent of Mario's abilities in a realistic environment for a scale that is easy to understand" I feel that my reworded version makes more sense with the interview, because it was the reason why New Donk City was made realistic, not the reason why they scaled the humans and the environment the way they did around Mario. I didn't think my OG interpretation seemed off as it feels similar to the current one, although the current one has better wording, but I feel my reworded thing I came up with is more accurate wording since the current one seems to make it look like they only made Mario short to showcase his abilities more realistically rather than the reason why they made New Donk City realistic was so they can showcase Mario's abilities with an easy to understand scale... All in all, I don't have much problems with the page anymore (other than the fact the statue is still there, however, the wording for referring to the statue is much better than it was before) just think it can be better, but regardless I'm glad the interviews are finally documented. --GoldyFish110 (talk) 20:48, November 29, 2020 (EST)

No one ever talks to me on here unless they have something to fault me for or say I'm in the wrong for and then they'll jump at the chance to tell me I'm wrong for whatever I said, Sorry to bother by asking this again, is my idea of re-wording the interview's part a better way to interpret it? I think it is because the interview didn't explain why they scaled it the way they did, they explained why New Donk City was made to be realistic. If I get no response again, I'll just make the edit and see what happens I guess... --GoldyFish110 (talk) 13:06, December 3, 2020 (EST)

I think it should be fine to change it. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 14:10, December 3, 2020 (EST)

That's awesome, heheh, I just did, and thanks for letting me know, heheh. --GoldyFish110 (talk) 12:52, December 6, 2020 (EST)

I'll get back to you when I actually measure this at Super Nintendo World, but

I think Super Nintendo World is another source that puts Mario at a shorter than the typical human scale (plus, it's like a better version of the "Life Size" statue source, which I don't think meant literally, but this could be taken the same way) so for Mario's height being unspecified, I think Super Nintendo World could be documented. (I'd say whenever we have a definitive answer on how big the blocks are in Super Nintendo World, so probably not now, I want to go with a measuring tape, lmao!) --GoldyFish110 (talk) 02:39, December 19, 2020 (EST)

I edited the comment above to remove my Twitter link because I just realized this is probably why I'm getting so many people harassing me on Twitter over Mario supposedly being 155cm that Nintendo apparently confirmed it... Not saying the people who exist here are horrible, just people who happen to view the Mario wiki which is probably a lot of people... But while yeah, Super Nintendo World is probably a horrible source, so is the statue, using Super Nintendo World as a "source" is like using the statues... I'll add several imgbblinksinsteadfor all I want to link on this wiki from now on, nothing from my Twitter anymore... I hope anyone understands my reasoning for that although I highly doubt anyone here cares, lmao! But I linked screenshots of the four foot plush and 50cm figure, the 50cm figure, although labelled "Life Size" is unrealistic, but does anyone want to document the four foot plush just for the heck of it since the 150cm (4'11") statue is on here? --GoldyFish110 (talk) 22:46, December 27, 2020 (EST)

New Apparence in a game

I cannot edit the page, but I want to say Mario and others Nintendo characters appears in Super Fighters M All Stars, released on mobile in 2020.

90.4.136.102 07:05, December 27, 2020 (EST)

That's not an official game, that's an app that steals assets from Nintendo games without permission. Mario JC 07:30, December 27, 2020 (EST)

Vulgar Nonsense

Where the heck did anyone get that vulgar nonsense? Please provide some proof or it will be deleted. I'manumber1 (talk) 14:05, October 31, 2021 (EDT)

Just to be clear by the way I'm talking about the Satellaview magazine section as that's the only thing in this article that doesn't have official references or proof. I'manumber1 (talk) 14:12, October 31, 2021 (EDT)

No proof? Then it should be deleted immediately. I'manumber1 (talk) 19:39, November 10, 2021 (EST)

The sources can be found on the Shitamachi Ninjō Gekijō article. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 19:44, November 10, 2021 (EST)

P3 & P4

I don't know if this is the place to ask this but should I create articles for P3 & P4 from the Mario Bros. remake present in M&L SS and all the Mario Advance games? I know you could say there's not enough info on them but they are playable and are officially named. My source is https://www.suppermariobroth.com/post/157350665210/sprites-of-the-two-additional-brothers-from-the.
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by I'manumber1 (talk).

Don't think so, imo. This is like making the colored Luigis from Luigi's Mansion their own articles. Keep in mind that I'm also not quite fond of junior II's article either, memed as it may be. Ray Trace^(T|C) 16:44, January 1, 2022 (EST)

Well this is different. All the Luigi's don't have names. These two do. I don't know if that makes much of a difference but I just wanted to get that out there. I'manumber1 (talk) 19:32, January 1, 2022 (EST)

I agree with Ray Trace, they look like they were just created to be palette swaps for additional players which would be too minor of a subject to have an article for. Nightwicked Bowser 19:59, January 1, 2022 (EST)

Is the Mario page still not well put together?

So i was scrolling throught the disscusion page on Mario and while scrolling i noticed quite few people saying that the Mario page was not "great". Like for example the history page having tons of grammatical errors. Now of course these disscusions are sort of old but anyways, is the Mario page fixed now or does it still have errors?

I mean... I did notice ONE error, that being how on the appearence page, Mario Party Superstars is not present
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shadic 34 (talk).

I've probably given the history section quite a few proofreading sweeps over my long stay at this wiki. I don't think the grammar errors are as present as before, and the most constant pressing issue for this page is the history section: mammoth coverage that's likely not complete as well as some unnecessary story details from the MaRPGs. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 20:00, January 19, 2022 (EST)

Jumpman only in Japanese Donkey Kong?

If I remember correctly, Mario is only called Jumpman in official Donkey Kong arcade cabinets and ports in Japan. Should the article be changed to reflect this?
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by 136.56.161.47 (talk).

No, Jumpman was used only in the English language arcade instructions (and its Arcade Archives re-release instructions). They were printed before he was officially named "Mario" in the American arcade flyer. In the Japanese arcade instructions, he is a nameless player character simply known as the "player"「プレイヤ」. He was still the nameless "rescue man" in the Japanese instructions for the Game & Watch version which came out in June 1982. Two months later, Nintendo of Japan used Mario when they released Donkey Kong Jr., which made it official in all locations.--Platform (talk) 08:55, November 9, 2022 (EST)

Article size policy

• MarioWiki:Article size

"The section then remains on the original article, the {{main}} template is used to link to the new article, and a much more top-level summary is given in that section of the original article. For example, summarizing the "History" section of Mario to give a much more top-level overview and using {{main}} to link to a new page entitled "History of Mario". "

Shouldn't we be making an article titled History of Mario? It's spelled right there in our example! It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 01:00, November 11, 2022 (EST)

It's about time that we started splitting off these massive history sections, let's do it. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 18:40, January 27, 2023 (EST)

Support! -- KOOPA CON CARNE 18:51, January 27, 2023 (EST)

All right. What do you think should be changed for this new page? Maybe readd the images I removed back? Maybe we can have more plot details? It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 19:04, January 27, 2023 (EST)

Something closer to pre-trim is probably the way to go, since that information was only reduced in the first place because of the article's length. I still think we should be more selective with images though, since there can be a tendency to go overboard with them which just doesn't look nice if there's not enough text there. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 19:08, January 27, 2023 (EST)

Proper Catchphrase for Mario

I believe that a more proper catchphrase at the top of the page would be "Let's-a go!" from Super Mario 64. Mario uses this phrase way more often, and I don't remember Mario ever saying "It's-a me" outside of Super Mario 64 releases. But what do you guys think? TomAndTheCats (talk) 17:52, February 2, 2023 (EST)

Mario says "It's-a me" in Battle League, one of the latest Mario games. He also says "It's-a me, Mario" or "It's-a me" in Mario Tennis 64, Mario Teaches Typing 2, Mario Super Sluggers (when calling to plants), Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour, and when he gets a Double Cherry in Super Mario 3D World! Wario even riffs on it saying "It's a Wii, Wario" for a Wii-related WarioWare game. That's likely not an exhaustive list but "It's-a me, Mario" is uniquely Mario; a lot of other characters do say "Let's go". That's not to say "Let's-a go" is a bad choice, but I just think "It's-a me" is better. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 22:14, February 2, 2023 (EST)

Early sources for Mario's occupations

An overwhelming amount of Japanese websites believe Mario became established as a plumber in the 1993 American live-action film. According to them, the character's occupation simply varied from game to game and he was more of a generic everyman hero before the movie. So I went over a lot of the early official materials in Japanese and English. In Japan, Donkey Kong for the arcade had a threadbare description. The anonymous player character needs to rescue Lady from Kong. That's it. It was the American flyer that presented Mario his name and occupation as a carpenter. While the Famicom port uses Mario's name, there is no mention of him being a carpenter. The Japanese weren't aware he was ever a carpenter until much later through staff interviews.

Contrary to popular belief, Mario Bros. did not make him a plumber. The brothers are simply removing pests from their home's pipes. Mario was still described as a carpenter in Atari's MB manuals. The closest reference is in the back of the 1986 NES port's box which describes them as "plumbing", but does not explicitly state that it is their profession. It seems more of a case of home repair than paid labor.

The earliest source I could find is not in a game but from official media. The American Super Show! from 1989 unambiguously makes the brothers professional plumbers with their own company. This explains the crux of the divide. While Japan and the US share the same corpus of mainline games, official media is almost entirely segregated. Japan has its anime and manga, while the US has its comics, cartoons, and activity books which were exported to many countries but not to Japan. The characters' personalities are markedly different from each side of the Pacific. In the West, the heroes are sanitized E for Everyone but in Japan they can be crass and vulgar. For example, manga Peach can get extremely violent, jealous, and petty. This can be witnessed in the audio drama of BS Super Mario USA and Collection. The 1993 film was one of the few instances that crossed the cultural gap and introduced the concept that they are professional plumbers to Japan.

If you can find an earlier source stating Mario as a plumber, please let us know.--Platform (talk) 13:37, April 22, 2023 (EDT)

Is there any promotional material that says anything relevant? It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 14:03, April 22, 2023 (EDT)

There was a promotional interview released for Odyssey that brings up "plumber" as one of Mario's professions if that counts. Plus, them removing pests from their home's pipes was made up for the Atari version. An interview with Shigeru Miyamoto explicitly sets the game within New York's plumbing system. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 09:20, May 10, 2023 (EDT)

I see. I know that later material does more firmly establish this fact, but I was wondering how early the whole "Mario is a plumber" part happened. The discussion above suggests that the film is first to establish this, so I was asking for any material that possibly predates this movie claiming that. Mario is a plumber rather than just every day hero. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 22:43, May 10, 2023 (EDT)

I'm not sure, honestly. I think it was one of those things the American translators came up with (given it was established as early as Mario Bros.) and Japan decided to adopt later. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 11:02, May 11, 2023 (EDT)

Nintendo Power issue 6 page 19Media:Nintendo Power issue 6 image 1.png calls Mario a plumber in regards to SMB2. That pushed it back to a few months before the Super Show!.--Platform (talk) 07:17, May 14, 2023 (EDT)

We do have artwork of Mario and Luigi as plumbersMedia:MB_Mario_and_Luigi_with_Plumbing_Supplies_Artwork.jpg, the problem is when this was drawn. The specific scan is from a year 1993 rerelease, while in terms of Japanese material I saw it in the year 1994 Super Mario Bros. Daizukan, but it might have been an earlier artwork. In any case it is referred to the original Mario Bros., so the idea that they were plumbers there was definitely around. Actually, this year 2010 interview is pretty telling:

Now with Mario, I think with Mario Bros. we had a setting of course that was underground, so I just decided Mario is a plumber. Let’s put him in New York and he can be Italian.

So, according to Miyamoto, Mario was indeed intended to be a plumber in Mario Bros..—-Mister Wu (talk) 10:11, May 14, 2023 (EDT)

That's besides the point. While Mario was intended to be a plumber during the development of MB, if nothing was published to the general public (that I'm aware of), no one would know what his job was. Atari still called him a carpenter in their MB ports. What I'm looking for is the earliest official sources stating that he is a plumber to the public. So far, I've pushed it back to mid-'89.--Platform (talk) 11:11, May 14, 2023 (EDT)

Mario's Species

I thought Mario's species was confirmed to be "Homo Nintendous", why is it labeled as human? I'manumber1 (talk) 03:29, June 8, 2023 (EDT)

Do you have a source for that? He's referred to as a human in the movie at least, can't remember other exact instances. Nightwicked Bowser 04:15, June 8, 2023 (EDT)

"Homo Nintendous" was a one-off joke from a non-retail character manual from the late 80s-early 90s, not a serious indication that he wasn't a human. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 07:01, June 8, 2023 (EDT)

Oh, it was just a joke, well-then I guess he should continue to be called Human then. I'manumber1 (talk) 16:28, June 8, 2023 (EDT)

Mario's species is Mario It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 17:16, June 8, 2023 (EDT)

New Image

Should we update the character image with the file:///MarioSMBW.png one?
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Violetmushroom (talk).

We'll do that when the game releases. Nightwicked Bowser 21:20, October 13, 2023 (EDT)

Okay, but which one? The one I mentioned above of him holding the wonder flower, or the one of him jumping? I’m thinking we should use the latter for the Super Mario (form) page.
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Violetmushroom (talk).

The one without the Wonder Flower should be the one used here, you may want to look at Template:Character infobox. Nightwicked Bowser 11:03, October 14, 2023 (EDT)

Disambiguation page

So I was editing pages, as one does, and I realize that I accidentally added a page to the meta category "articles with too many about links." I fix it, realise the Dash page is in said category, suggest to add a disambiguation page for that, the page is created, all is well. But then I realized that this article was on the page. Not good. Now, I know it was removed from that meta category, but this article still fits said criteria. Such is why I propose the idea of making a Mario disambiguation page: include the links to Super Mario (franchise), Mario (film character), Baby Mario and the character from The Super Mario Bros. Movie, if he ever gets added or not. That way, we can have the disambiguation page, and keep the "'Jumpman' redirects here" section, as the criteria for the meta category is to have more than 3 about links. --JoeCool (talk) 12:42, October 16, 2023 (EDT)

Is the Super Mario Bros. Movie set in the same world as the games?

Because on Mario's page it uses Mario reuniting with Luigi in the movie as an example of their family bond. Isn't the movie set in a different canon than the games? And yes, I'm aware the Mario series doesn't have an official canon. I think. -- FanOfRosalina2007 (talk) 14:18, November 12, 2023 (EST)

You answered your own question. There is no canon, so everything "is canon", meaning the wiki treats the Mario movie the same way it treats any other Mario media. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 15:21, November 12, 2023 (EST)

Yeah, so if the movie shows an example, we document it. How we decide to cover it is dependent on how illustrative it is. The movie's entire plot is based on Mario's rescuing Luigi so I think it's a good example to support a summary of their relationship. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 15:40, November 12, 2023 (EST)

Oh, okay! For some reason I didn't realize that. Good to know! -- FanOfRosalina2007 (talk) 22:22, November 12, 2023 (EST)

Role Section

I was thinking about adding a role section to the "List of game appearances" section that indicates what role he played in each game, like as a playable character or an antagonist or a non-playable character or a protagonist and stuff like that.
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wonderman23 (talk).

I encourage it! The list of game appearances needs an overhaul to fit other character pages, see Princess Daisy. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 17:41, December 2, 2023 (EST)

I'm seeing the edits. Thank you very much for working on it. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 17:53, December 2, 2023 (EST)

Add rowspanning to the List of appearances section?

Should I add rowspanning to the table in List of appearances? So many rows have the same text so it would make the table look more organized.

Here's an example of what I'm talking about:

Header text	Header text	Header text
Example	Example	Example
Example
Example	Example

Would this be worth doing, or is the section fine how it currently is? Yours truly, RetroNintendo2008. 07:23, December 3, 2023 (EST)

No, because it would end up looking like this chart on the right. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 07:40, December 3, 2023 (EST)

No, I don't recommend rowspanning. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 21:38, December 4, 2023 (EST)

Category:Parents

So, there's this manga where Mario has a descendant named "Ima no Mario" and that means that Mario is a parent. And also, in that manga they mention that Luigi has descendants too. So, shouldn't they be put in Category:Parents? Just sayin'... Weegie baby (talk)

... That sounds a little freaky, but truth be told, the wiki observes other wacky manga stuff. I think it should... maybe??? Wonder Time!

Great, then it's settled: Mario, Luigi and Peach (I found out she has descendance in another manga) are in Category:Parents from now on! And don't forget to sign with ~~~~~ after your sig. Like, just write ~~~~~ after it and the date of your edit will appear. Weegie baby (talk) 10:26, November 9, 2024 (EST)

Regarding Mario's game appearances

Hi, I can't edit this page possibly because of the 10 edits rule but I'll post this here for those who can.

In the game appearances section of Mario, there are things that needs to be tweaked and added, more specifically the year 1999.

1. Mario Party 2 should be placed at the end of that year as it was the last 1999 Mario game to be released, releasing 6 days after Mario Artist: Paint Studio on 17th of December.

2. Add Donkey Kong 64 to the list as you get to play the original 1981 in the game and even plays a major part to get golden banana that is used to progress in the game, thus making Mario one of the playable characters (well, only in that section specifically). Place it after Mario Golf (Game Boy Color) and before Mario Artist: Paint Studio, as DK64 was released in November of that year between these two games.

Thank you for reading Jaccblacc203 (talk) 07:57, October 25, 2024 (EDT)

Why doesn’t the main character of the franchise have a trivia section?

Seriously wtf? There’s more obscure Mario trivia than there is for any other character in the series! Him not having a trivia section is criminal!
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thekingdomofwah (talk).

Trivia sections are generally for information that is relevant, yet not really suited for any particular section within the article. Perhaps there just isn't any random information to warrant a trivia section. Sure, sounds unlikely, but guess it's just packed in well enough. Tails777 Talk to me!17:51, November 27, 2024 (EST)

Might also be scattered across different pages (say, specific games and what not). Technetium (talk) 17:53, November 27, 2024 (EST)

I always have the opinion that trivia sections are to be avoided at all costs. Ray Trace^(T|C) 20:51, November 27, 2024 (EST)

Mario's height

See the first argument that appears here and tell me your thoughts. Weegie baby (talk) 14:47, December 24, 2024 (EST)

The first argument has no source backing it up, so it is irrelevant. The other arguments are using in-game measurements and model data, making them not suitable for the Mario Wiki. That page is only a theory and should remain as such. — Lady Sophie ^(T|C) 14:56, December 24, 2024 (EST)

Yeah that wiki is host to wild speculation such as this one[2], claiming itself to be "high consensus", that tries to measure the chemical composition of the sun in a video game game skybox to be 73.46% hydrogen by using a photo filter and matching the color of it to the emission spectrum of hydrogen. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 15:39, December 24, 2024 (EST)

In my defense (as one of the contributors to that community), "high consensus" is specifically within our community, and that wiki itself is very outdated, especially regarding some of those pages. I personally disagree with the one you mentioned for example, but that's neither here nor there.— Lady Sophie ^(T|C) 16:23, December 24, 2024 (EST)

Yes I figured that statement wasn't an actual endorsement by the editors, but to the unitiated, it's not as easy to ascertain. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk)

Editing

Quick Question, how do you add citations?
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by GeniusChase (talk).

Everything you need to know about citations can be found at mariowiki:Citations! Sparks (talk) 15:48, March 24, 2025 (EDT)

Archive Current talk page Archive-1 Archive-2 Archive-3 Archive-4 Archive-5 Archive-6 Archive-7 Archive-8 Archive-9 Archive-10 Archive-11 Archive-12 Archive-13 Archive-14 Archive-15 Archive-16 Archive-17 Archive-18 Welcome to my talk page. Leave me a message and i'll answer as soon as possible. Whoa, you did archive I'm pretty good. School's almost over... Whatcha been up to? Plumber 01:09, 11 May 2011 (EDT) Oh HEY :o Long time no see! What's new? Bean 01:12, 11 May 2011 (EDT) Don't wast your time with that nonsense^. I just woke up from a meganap but I'm pretty tired again... Plumber 01:15, 11 May 2011 (EDT) What? Bean 01:19, 11 May 2011 (EDT) Ah, sorry to bother you at such a late hour. D: I'm all right; high school's nice, almost the end of my freshman year. It's been fast, actually. :o Bean 01:19, 11 May 2011 (EDT) Hope to talk to ya soon. By the way, do you or your bros have Skypes or Steam accounts? 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I figured that asking a forum admin would be a good way to get my account back. My display name is "Allan" on the forums. My username is "The Cosmic Vin" (as long as I'm here, can you change that to Vinnie?) Vinnie Friends Hi, i'm User:SombreroGuy. Want to be friends? copy my user box , then i can copy yours! This user is a good friend of SombreroGuy. Sprites. Hey, you still do sprites? I would like some done. See here for details. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 12:23, May 15, 2024 (EDT) Princess Daisy Discussion Archives Archive 1 More Like De-Organizing I'm aware this page doesn't dit the same format as all other character pages, but it's not like the other characte rpages aren't messe dup. This isn't messed up so mutch as it is different. Which makes sense considering the character doesn't appear in that many main story games. I thought there was some specific in place that allowed the page to be different becaus eof her vast spin-off appearances. Same with Waluigi and so on. Also, if any pages need re-organizing someone should fix the more important pages like Mario and Peaches first. Aaand, this whole site sitll needs overhall, bluntly. Panchito We have a policy regarding this, see here. Please don't undo edits that follow this policy. If you don't like it, you should discuss the policy itself. But the point is, each of Daisy's appearances is just as valid as the game appearances, so they all belong in the History section. Time Questions 14:35, 19 November 2009 (EST) Time Q, as far as I remember the Daisy page was given special reason to stay like this, which DID have a lot to do with her appearances. Also, you didn't even reorganize it well. And, why are you even editing Daisy's page? You should know that I have this page covered. Another question as to why you are editing her page, uhm Peach's page is a ridiculous pile of mess. This just feels like you got your way by reverting my proposal and now you're ruining the only page I care about, which has been in this format for months, regardless of that link. You're basically trying to thwart anything I do. Is there a reason you're editing Daisy's page and not anyone else's? Because it's not in the right format? No, because neither are other pages which seem like they should be more relevance to you. This is ridiculous. FD09 Hm, honestly..Princess Daisy's page was one of the few pages that was absolutely fine. Maybe you should spend your efforts fixing pages that are actually in need of fixing, like Mario's for instance. Your changes were quite useless and just made everything jumbled together. Toadine So pretty much I'm going to change it back soon. If TimeQ cares he would show up before I revert the page to talk about it here, if not it's obvious he was just waiting for someone to edit the page again. I have already contacted multiple others about his actions. It is clear this isn't about the format of her page so much as it is getting his own way when other pages are in far more need than Daisy's. Also, like I said, he didn't even do it correctly. So I will give it more time but I think others can see what's going on here. I can help make the page right, but that's only going to happen when we have the right standards (not atm) and other pages are fixed first, per walkazo.FD09 To clarify a few things. 1) NOTHING of what I do is to upset you, so please stop thinking I have anything against you. 2) The reason I edited this page is that I searched for "Appearances in Other Media" in the searchbox. Articles with those sections are not organized according to our policy, because we don't separate appearances in "games" and "other media". Daisy was one of the first pages that showed up in the search, so I edited it. I also edited Beanstalk, so please don't think I chose this one to upset you. 3) Obviously it is me who is in the right in this matter, because I think I did organize everything correct according to our policies. 4) What did I do wrong in your opinion? 5) Who said there was a "special reason" for Daisy to stay in the incorrect form? Time Questions 15:50, 19 November 2009 (EST) Two more things: You have no right to be the only person to cover this article. If you want this, make your own wiki and protect the article from all other editors. Super Mario Wiki is community work, and if you publish something, you agree that it may be edited by others. And secondly, I have no time to edit each and every article here. The reason I chose this one is that it was already organized in great parts, I just needed to incorporate a few more sections into the History section. Time Questions 15:58, 19 November 2009 (EST) Clearly you can see how it's noticeable that regardless of the excuses you seem to have come up with, you appear to be attacking my personal preferences and actions. As it is true the wiki's standard was not being followed, I find it interesting that you just happened to run into the problems on this page instead of the other pages like mentioned. I didn't mean to imply I was the only one who could edit this page, but I did mean to imply that your edits were unneeded. Still, one day I will get this format to change, and I WILL have my way. Nothing personal. Oh, and also, I'm going to show you exactly what you did wrong. You'll see, or you won't. Just leave me be and be happy with the fact you're basically still getting your way. I hope you're happy. FD09 Also, maybe you should check the contribution. I would say by logic I could be the only person allowed to edit this page, but that's irrelevant to the point. FD09 This is really getting personal here and I think we should continue this discussion on our user talk pages. But let me assure you that I do NOT intend to attack your personal preferences and actions. I'm sorry if I seem to be, and I admit that it looks like it from your point of view. First the proposal, now this, of course it looks to you like I am attacking you. But believe me, when I edited this article, I didn't even think about you. I already explained how I came to edit this article rather than Mario's or some other. So much for the personal issue. As a matter of fact, I'm in the right here. I followed the wiki policies, while the article's form you're defending does not. So the question can't be whether I had the "right" to edit the article; of course I had. The question is if it was something personal against you, and only I know that, and I assure you that it was not. Of course I can't prove that, I can just ask you to believe me. Completely apart from that, I don't like you're attitude towards the wiki. No, you're NOT the only person allowed to edit this page, and you're NOT the only one to decide over the fate of the wiki. Time Questions 16:31, 19 November 2009 (EST) Maybe you should read more carefully. I said I COULD be the only person allowed to, not that I should or even at all that I am. Also, maybe you should go fix Luigi's or Toad's pages. They have other media sections but I checked recently and you haven't done anything there. Also, I don't like YOUR attitude to this wiki. Regardless of the fact a page might be better in a format that breaks the standard ( A BROKEN STANDARD ), you want it to follow that broken standard. FD09 All the time you failed to explain why you think the standard is broken. It's obvious that you don't like it, but what are your reasons? You should read more carefully too, I already explained why I haven't fixed Luigi's or Toad's pages. And I know you said you COULD be the only person allowed to edit the page, but assuming that is ridiculous enough. This is community work. Time Questions 17:06, 19 November 2009 (EST) All the time you failed to explain why you think the standard is broken. It's obvious that you don't like it, but what are your reasons? You should read more carefully too, I already explained why I haven't fixed Luigi's or Toad's pages. And I know you said you COULD be the only person allowed to edit the page, but assuming that is ridiculous enough. This is community work. Time Questions 17:06, 19 November 2009 (EST) Failed to explain to you why the standard is broken? For starters that was largely covered in the proposal you seemed to think you know so much about. If you recall the reason the proposal was taken away was because of the BROKEN STANDARD. How can you even act like the standard is not broken? Just go to my talk page and see what walkazo said. There's your explanation. Ridiculous huh? Regardless of the fact this is a community wiki and a group effort, "I" "ME" "FOREVERDAISY09" am largely and "majorly" responsible for this page and many others relating to it in many manners of speaking. I have hundreds more contributions to this article than even the next user. AND, the idea that you don't understand why this standard is broken is literally laughable. I'm done discussing this with you, as long as we're pretty clear on our differences, and of course, the things you don't understand. FD09 I think both of you need to calm down, I mean seriously. It's quite obvious that you two have some type of personal conflict or whatever and if this edit that mashed all of the information into a complete pile of mess was just out of spite then, TimeQ, you really need to grow up (If your feud is in fact the cause). Anyway, I will agree with FD09 that your changes to follow such an unorganised standard of character page layouts was an extremely poor decision, especially considering Princess Daisy's page was laid out in an extremely well-structured manner prior to today's edit. FD09, I think your sense of ownership over this page is causing you to overreact somewhat so maybe you should just cool off for a while..? I mean, you don't really own this page. The wiki community has every right to edit it. To wrap things up, this entire Wiki in general is a mess and I think, TimeQ, that you and the other Admins/Mods/whatever you are need to really come up with a good, and organised method of arranging these pages. FD09's proposal was a great idea and I don't know why it was revoked but this place needs to change. I am willing to offer my complete assistance if it's ever needed for restructuring if there is ever a decision to change the format. Toadine As far as I recall the Proposal was nullified not because the idea was bad, but because we already had many structure-changing proposals over the time, which causes the wiki to follow four different organisation methods. The editors' concerns should be to uniformate all articles to one standard, rather than adding a fifth organisation pattern into the mess. If I remember this correctly, then that was what caused the proposal's reversion. - Gabumon(talk) 17:23, 19 November 2009 (EST) If you need your memory jotted, go to my talk page and walkazo's talk page and look at the discussion about it. I'm literally right now trying to tell walkazo that we need to make a new standard that does make everything work. That's what I've BEEN saying. I easily agreed to work on it, and that it could be done. FD09 I will not continue this discussion here. It has nothing to do with this specific article anymore. We should move it to the forums or our talk pages. Time Questions 17:19, 19 November 2009 (EST) Wait a minute. Since when did the Manual of Style become an enforced policy?--Knife (talk) 18:14, 19 November 2009 (EST) If the Manual of Style is not an enforced policy, what is it then? Anyway, what is written in the Manual of Style was decided through a proposal, so basically it is an enforced policy. (Edit: Now I see what you meant. Still, the proposal still counts, so it's policy.) Time Questions 18:17, 19 November 2009 (EST) Shouldn't we create separate page for organization, since that part is enforced?--Knife (talk) 18:49, 19 November 2009 (EST) Hm, I think so... or just make the Manual of Style an enforced policy. I was surprised to read that it wasn't already enforced. Time Questions 19:00, 19 November 2009 (EST) Cultural impact I see that section incomplete with a under-construction label on it. It has passed a long time for somebody to help us with this and if we cannot fill that section then, I-ma afraid I gonna to unfeature the article by having a single section empty! D: ¢oincoll€ctor Pft, what? You'd have to unfeature it for having a single section that's incomplete? Regardless, it would be pretty stupid, no offense, to unfeature the article rather than temporarily remove the section. I'm just taking my time is all. There'll be some stuff there soon. FD09 Stupid? not sir, A featured article MUST not include any improvement label on it like rewrite, stubs, picture-needed or under-construction, meaning that the article is incomplete of sort. We have enough time to complete that info, but leaving it long enough, it is likely I have to unfeature the article for a single but significant defect. ¢oincoll€ctor Okay, you clearly don't get it. It would be silly to remove her article from featured status, temporarily even, just because one section is presently flawed. The point isn't even that though, the point is you could simply remove this section temporarily so as to solve this minor issue. Yet you seem to think going as far as removing the article from featured status is the answer. Do you get it? Look, just contact me if you plan to do something "brash" and make sure I get back to you on it first, because I'll remove it myself for the time being if that's what it takes to satisfy your reasoning. FD09 What about this issue now? The discussion has died, yet the problem remains. - Gabumon(talk) 10:22, 5 February 2010 (EST) Well now the section is finished so. ForeverDaisy09 03:24, 16 March 2010 (EDT) Quotes section for Daisy's article I've been checking through this section of the article, and with all due respect - I find it to be overly long. Before I attempt to do maintenance on this, aren't a majority of those same quotes on other "List of Quotes" articles for the Mario game articles themselves here? --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 14:32, 11 December 2009 (EST) I wouldn't really know consideirng those articles "suck" and last time I checked them they didn't have Daisy's quotes. lol Explain this to me though, since when did you figure there was a limit to the size of the quotes section? User:ForeverDaisy09 I didn't say there was a limit; I was hoping to keep the "more memorable" ones in regards to Daisy's persona. And there are a few that need to be spared, obviously. Right now, it's like a HUGE database of every single quote that Daisy has said in the game installments, the majority being something that just about any character in the Mario series would say. --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 21:30, 11 December 2009 (EST) Alright, as long as the articles actually have the quotes you remove and you keep the good ones I don't see an issue. User:ForeverDaisy09 Remark I'd like a remark made that, despite being a regular character in spinoffs, Daisy has not been in a regular Mario game since Super Mario Land. WarioLand 17:55, 19 January 2010 (EST) No duh, what's your point? She's doing a lot more in the spin-offs than she would be if she randomly appeared as an NPC in a mainstream game. FD09 I've got to disagree, she's pretty regular. If she didn't appear in a spinoff, there would be some question of why, since she's been a playable character in some many for awhile now. That's what we mean when we say 'regular'. If you want her to get kidnapped again, if that's what you mean, then no, she's not regular, but we're refering to the spinoffs. Daisyisbetter Stronger than Mario I was playing Mario Party 3 and I noticed somthing.Before you enter a duel with Daisy,Bowser appears to steal the stamps.But then,Daisy takes Bowser by the tail with one hand and throw him far away.But,in SM64,Mario has to take him by the tail with two hands to throw him.Does that mean Daisy is stronger than Mario?Count Bonsula I need blood... It's variable. Daisy is stronger than Mario depending on the sport, and same with Mario. It's not something you can just say Daisy is stronger than Mario though. Unlike with Mario and Luigi Daisy hasn't been stated to be stronger than Mario and vice versa. So it's as of now for the player to form an opinion on. ForeverDaisy09 08:05, 28 March 2010 (EDT) Yeah, plus Daisy hasn't been kidnapped since Super Mario Land and we don't know why that is (my theory is she keeps sports equipment in her closet), and she also only appears in Mario spin-offs so we don't know if she does any training. J-Yoshi64 (talk) I Weigh How Much? So this has bothered me for a while. I have seen places say that in Mario Kart DS Daisy is a medium as well as places that say she is a light. This is confusing because when I checked the stats of her cars they were qualifiable to the lightweight category, and they might have been lighter than Peach's if I remember correctly. But why is it even on unofficial Japanese translations it has been said she was in the medium class. Facts people? ForeverDaisy09 07:51, 20 June 2010 (UTC) Nintendo can't make their mind up.--Launchballer 07:59, 20 June 2010 (UTC) Well, her acceleration, speed, and weight are around the same stats if you look in the game. I checked, and she wasn't exceptionally well at anything except for drifting. Two of her kart's stats in acceleration, speed, and weight are in about the same area. Her stats seem to be a little bit lower than Mario and Luigi's but she has high drifting. Also, the reason I said speed, acceleration, and weight is because those stats differentiate between classes majorly, but not drifting and items. I'm not sure about handling, but I think Lightweights get the better handling. Ray Trace(T|C) She is a middleweight character. I saw via MKDS japanese website... ¢oincoll€ctor Light characters has a light color tone, medium a medium tone, and heavy a strong tone. I assume you're referring to Nintendo Japan's website for Mario Kart DS? Because I surely overlooked that part. --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 16:59, 21 June 2010 (UTC) In GameFAQs, I saw at least two FAQs that stated that Daisy is a middle-weight character. Usually, the person who writes the FAQ is correct. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 22:08, 21 June 2010 (UTC) Actually those faq tend to make mistakes, but people have already explained an official source listed her as medium so no one really needs reply anymore. ForeverDaisy09 03:09, 22 June 2010 (UTC) Movie I cant edit this page for some reasons but I just want to point out there is no section about her movie appearance. She plays quite a large part in the Super Mario Bros. Movie I'm surprised its not here especially when characters like Yoshi have sections on it Don Lark Kiin 21:49, 4 July 2010 (UTC) The article has been protected so that only autoconfirmed users (users some number of days old) can edit it. And as to the section, it is located at Princess Daisy (film) - there was a proposal to split it. Marioguy1 (talk) Maybe a small section using the main article template should be added because I think this page is where people would go if they wanted information on the character (god knows why anyone would though) Don Lark Kiin 13:29, 5 July 2010 (UTC) A bit late but I wanted to point out that the film's Princess Daisy is the counterpart to the video game Princess Toadstool. Having spoken with the actual writer for the film I can confirm this. So a small section would do well on Princess Peach's article, but I don't think a mention is merited here. Redstar 23:30, 6 November 2010 (UTC) Problem is that said info would be under "Other Media" -- and the Princess Peach article is mainly to target Peach's involvement in the main Mario series itself. However, I don't think it would hurt to place it in the movie article if it hasn't been mentioned already. --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 01:36, 7 November 2010 (UTC) I don't think it would hurt to write about her appearance in the movie; she still has the same name and in the movie her and Luigi are in love like in the regular games (although more Luigi than her) so it's not entirely pointless. Mario Sports Mix (Princess Daisy's involvement) Okay, so we know that Mario Sports Mix just got released in Japan; I just made changes to existing info so that it can reflect this release in regards to Daisy. However, is anyone on the case of getting the Japan version so that we can get the rest of the facts so that we can add the respective section about Daisy's participation in Mario Sports Mix itself? Let's get to it! --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 19:41, 22 November 2010 (UTC) Mario Hoops 3-on-3 alternate outfit Shouldn't we add something abourt Daisy's alternate outfit from Mario Hoops 3-on-3 under the clothing section? Tails777 I don't think we should; it's best to stick with the main outfits she wears in sports installments. It's fine as it is. --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 21:18, 3 February 2011 (EST) Actually, I meant kinda merge it into her sports outfit rather than a new section. I know that it would be useless to make a whole new section on an outfit she only wore once. So what I'm saying is to put a little info about it under the sports outfit. Scince it also appears in Mario Sports Mix, I think we should add it under the sports outfit section. Tails777 (talk) Hm, I THOUGHT this outfit was described on her page. The mention must've gotten removed somewhere between updating her outfit info. I'll add info about it. UhHuhAlrightDaisy 14:38, 17 February 2011 (EST) Daisy's Trivia The Birthstone on the Trivia, are you sure about that? I was born in April myself and I'm pretty sure the gem is Diamond. Sapphire is for September, and well, sapphire is incredibly blue. The emblem's like blue-green (turqoise w/e). — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lavender (talk). Well it said it was talking about the earlier games, where it wasn't green but blue, but you're right it's a diamond for April. UhHuhAlrightDaisy 00:09, 16 February 2011 (EST) Tomboy I'm not sure she can be described as a tomboy. She does have a lot of energy, but she is much more girly then boyish. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by John Galt (talk). No. First of all that is your personal opinion. Secondly it has been a stated fact since her debut that she is a tomboy. UhHuhAlrightDaisy 04:57, 16 May 2011 (EDT) Statues Should we add to the "Luigi" section of "Relationships with Other Characters" that there is a statue of Daisy and Luigi dancing, as well as another with their baby counterparts? As the course is owned by Daisy, it proves that not only does Luigi show feelings for Daisy, she does the same for him. Seems quite notable to me. YL 03:55, 2 July 2011 (EDT) Not really. It's implied that Daisy is to Luigi but is not 100% confirmed. The statue features Daisy and Luigi dancing but apparently not in love, the same with Baby Daisy with Baby Luigi, but this doesn't go to the case because we're talking about adult Daisy here. ¢oincoll€ctor Shouldn't be changed that Daisy is the sister or cousin of Peach, because it does say on the offical Nintendo Mario Kart Wii guide that Daisy is the sister of Peach. Also I do agree with YL that Daisy and Luigi do have a strong relationship it's exactly like Mario and Peach's relationship. It doesn't really work for their baby counterparts. Why won't Nintendo admit that; they should really stop hateing on Luigi. User:NintendoLuigiGuy 00:24, 21 September 2011 (EDT) It does not say she is the sister. It says she is her cousin though. Which I thought I saw a mention of? Tomba 15:09, 16 July 2012 (EDT) Mario is Missing! Media:Example.ogv in the game, there is an unknown women who resembles Daisy quite a bit so that might be worth writting about. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Supergoomba (talk). First off, why did you post Media:Example.ogv? 64Fan (Discussion) Lol I didn't mean to, it just appeared there so just forget about it, I don't even know what it is. I think it might be best to write it down in the trivia section along with the provided image. While the woman strongly resembles Daisy, we have no proof as to saying whether it actually is her (for all we know it can be just be an incorrectly coloured Peach). Her similarity to the character is best worth noting down in the trivia (even with no provided evidence). Propeller Toad (talk) 13:30, 13 November 2011 (EDT) well i want to add it to trivia, but the page doesn't allow editing >:o I added the information into the trivia along with a proper uploaded version of the image. Propeller Toad (talk) 17:37, 13 November 2011 (EDT) It is possible that it is Daisy. I've played the game and I saw another information girl that looked like Princess Peach. Tails777 Talk to me! Lol, well yeah it might be her. That's kinda what we were just talking about. I've heard about the Peach thing too and saw a picture of her. Man, there is QUITE a resemblance isn't there? I think that maybe we should list it as a cameo, and put the picture in her gallery? Makes sense to me since it's CLEARLY a Daisy cameo! --Girls rule, for pink is a manly color! Pichi-Hime6!(talk · edits) 11:09, 19 November 2011 (EST) I believe this specific screen was edited. I think the original had the woman in a blue dress. However, that does match the coloration Daisy was limited to in NES Open Tournament Golf. Tomba 15:08, 16 July 2012 (EDT) It looks a lot like Daisy. Hmmmmmmm......Try going to Mario is Missing! and see what clues are there.. -DaisyLuigi (Talk to me!) We've got a "Latest Game Appearance" problem here... Okay, heads-up to all of us who are supporters of Daisy for this article -- we've got a conflict. In Japan, we've got two installments that have been released at the same time for Peach, appearance wise -- Mario Kart 7 and Fortune Street. Question is, do we put in MK7, Fortune Street, or both? Let discuss this so that we can figure out what to do in regards to the Latest Game Appearance change for our lead Mario girl here. Thanks! --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 22:10, 30 November 2011 (EST) Could we put both appearances there? Tails777 Talk to me! That's what I'm leaning toward, but let wait for more input from other Daisy supporters of this article before I proceed with the change (if not tonight, then during the course of tomorrow). --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 22:13, 30 November 2011 (EST) All right, the change has now been done; just snagged the time to do this. Issue now closed. --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 11:11, 1 December 2011 (EST) Retro Crown Color Other than we know that Daisy now wears a golden crown like Peach as of Mario Party 4 when they had a major redesign (though Peach's major redesign was first in Super Mario Sunshine, but without the sleeves in that game), when we're talking about her retro design before Mario Party 4, saying that her crown was red......well since crowns are metallic and of crystalline substances, I think it makes better sense to say that her crown in her retro design was ruby, which we know is metallic/crystalline red color or tone. --PrincessDaisyFanatic3883 02:26, 29 February 2012 (EST) Well, we really have no evidence that her crown was made out of ruby. So it is better to just say it was red. Besides, I don't think it matters what the crown was made of. it's color is red, so we say it's red. --Girls rule, for pink is a manly color! Pichi-Hime6!(talk · edits) 18:31, 2 March 2012 (EST) Per this, plus I don't think is really is that important to have that difference mentioned in the article itself, even though the details mentioned are possibly valid based on images of Daisy I've seen. --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 22:05, 2 March 2012 (EST) Daisy power in Mario Golf Toadstool Tour It is stated in the article that in her star form, Daisy has a distance of 275 yards, but actually it is 270. Cirdec (talk) 09:24, 26 August 2012 (EDT) Wrong Chinese name The Chinese company attached to Nintendo, iQue gave the Chinese traslation "菊花公主" (Jú Huā Gōng Zhǔ)， not 公主雏菊 Gōng Zhǔ Chú Jú Youquzhiji (talk) I want to discuss it out I got my edit undone by MeritC and Marshall Dan Troop because it seemed awkwardly placed and should go on Baby Daisy's page. I want to know why it was awkward. --APA TKB 17:29, 12 July 2013 (EDT) Voice Actor in her voice actor sextion it says deanna mustard voiced her after mario golf toadstool tour. this is wrong, deanna mustard did not voice her in Mario Party 5 which came after toadstool tour. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 99.90.61.135 (talk). Daisy in Mario Kart 8 If you go to the Mario Kart 8 page gallery, you can see her in the background in some pictures. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.190.239.18 (talk). She's confirmed ever since Mario Kart 8 is unveiled. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 15:00, 6 January 2014 (EST) Another Cameo???!!!?? Listen guys, I found this picture of what is believed to be Rosalina and Princess Daisy in the animated film, Wreck it Ralph. Anyone see anything familiar?? I dunno. It might just be a rumor. -DaisyLuigi (Talk to me!) Well, they don't look alike. They probably made those character's up for the movie. Does anyone know if those "princesses" are real video game character's?--CastleResearch (talk) 11:39, 4 March 2014 (EST) By the way, you could upload better image of that screenshot like say in HD quality to know for sure who those characters are since this one is not very good as you can barely see their faces. Just a thought...--CastleResearch (talk) 15:44, 4 March 2014 (EST) Clothing It says that her crown's jewels in the back and front are red. Doesn't her crown have her motifs in the front and back while in the sideways have two rubies(or red, whatever...) — The preceding unsigned comment was added by CastleResearch (talk). Yep, you are right. What is the section stating the crown?I can fix it Ashley(and Red) The clothing section, please.--CastleResearch (talk) 14:29, 6 March 2014 (EST) Please remove the code box. it stretches the page and is uneccessary. also, put in trivia dihso was in nintendo's mario golf world tour video BY HERSELF What code box? Are you Michaeloll from GameFAQs???? Ray Trace(T|C) 14:38, 13 March 2014 (EDT) Daisy's Talking "A unique trait she retains is using slang and speaking with various accents. She has repeatedly used one-liners like, "yeah-hoo," said in dixie accent, and even, "yo," in an urban accent. She also has a sassy side and tends to stand idle with arms-akimbo. She is prone to air-kisses coupled with uttering, "mwah," during victory celebrations, and in the past has shown-off to get her way." I don't agree that these sentences should stay because it's really over-analyzing. "Dixie" accent? "Urban" accent? These don't sound like accents; they sound like just little noises Daisy makes, and assuming that Daisy speaks with several accents just because of those little interjections is thinking too much. "Arms-akimbo"? That doesn't say anything about her personality, although gestures such as crossing-arms, hands clutched and behind the body, can tell about the feelings, but it still doesn't show personality anyhow. Again, I don't think this information should stay. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 22:26, 4 April 2014 (EDT) If it stays, it'll need much better wording. Lord G. matters. 01:32, 5 April 2014 (EDT) I'm trying to not engage in an edit war here, but I don't like it in its current state. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 02:41, 5 April 2014 (EDT) See this is the thing that I mentioned before, though. She doesn't just do this in the form of interjections. The thing was, though, that just because you don't know of the situations that display these traits, doesn't mean it isn't so. And the problem is, the small points used are all this wiki appropriately allows for. The one-liners DO contribute to this because of the fact there are more detailed ways she has done it that can't be drawn out in the description because that would be over-explaining and putting too much detail into it. I could show you this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89Q-YTY7H9c In this video you can see her displaying the Urban slang "Uh-huh, alright, DAISY" while brushing off her shoulders, acting sassy, "Hot stuff!" she feels the heat of herself and exclaims "yyeah!" And how she stands and gestures has A LOT to do with her personality, because her demeanor is all about what her personality reads and how she evokes that. She is common to have her hands on her hips, to gesture a certain way that shows off all the aspects of her personality even in a still artwork as used in the section. But to over-explain it like I'm doing now in the article itself is just inappropriate for the wiki, so instead it's written as a concise, short list of minor examples because it's not there to prove a point or to convince you of anything. It shouldn't have to because it's only there to state something based on these facts, not restate and reverify them for you personally. On one hand you say it's over-analyzing, on the other there isn't enough reasoning there for you to consider it valid. You are contradicting yourself, so it just seems like you have a problem with the very idea the article gets to say she has a personality or something. "bite me if you dare?" Go bite yourself. UhHuhAlrightDaisy (talk) 15:17, 24 May 2014 (EDT) Bringing this up again, this statement is problematic: "A unique trait she retains is using various American English accents and slang. She has repeatedly used one-liners said in a Dixie accent, Valleyspeak, and even Ebonics." This qualifies as confusing jargon, which is generally discouraged (even though it's not specifically outlined in MarioWiki:Good writing, but I'd still say it's flirting with "reading between the lines"). The most we can conclude from her interjections alone is that she's excitable and loud, that's really all there is to her speech. There's no need to add that she has an American accent because Peach probably has one too and same thing for anyone who is in the Mario cartoons. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 16:21, 20 August 2015 (EDT) Update: It's been removed. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 21:53, 20 August 2015 (EDT) Re-feature? So we've edited most of the details, pictures, sections, breaks, and flowery fluff that was needed for Daisy's requirements. She was recently unfeatured. I know we just changed it, but can we re-feature this article? The article cannot be improved because that would be straying into the precious, exclusive property of one particular user. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 03:18, 16 May 2014 (EDT) So who was the numb skull who decided to revert Daisy's main picture as that derpy af old looking one? AT LEAST put back up the mario party 8 artwork or even the mario kart 7 portrait of her! Or even a DIHSO instead of her in that old dress. long storybook short [rosalina's sucks], daisys picture should be more modern than this eye-sore ancient piece of crap image — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.120.191.43 (talk). Boo-hoo. And what the f*ck is a "DIHSO"? It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 03:18, 16 May 2014 (EDT) I think it stands for "Daisy In Her Sports Outfit"... LinkTheLefty (talk) 08:16, 16 May 2014 (EDT) Give me a break. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 19:03, 16 May 2014 (EDT) If you want it changed, create a ---ing account and get it autoconfirmed and discuss it because bitching and moaning about minor changes like this won't get you anywhere. Ray Trace(T|C) 20:08, 16 May 2014 (EDT) It don't matter because the edits are going to be reverted anyway. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 20:09, 16 May 2014 (EDT) Why Daisy's Main Page artwork is still Outdated? Daisy's artwork was updated way back in 2011 (Mario Kart 7) to Match the current Renders of the rest of the characters. This artwork has a solo version (Without the car) that has been used in tons of promotionals and most recently , in MP10 that was released just yesterday. So Why Daisy's artwork is still MP8'S While , Mario , Luigi , Peach and even Toadette have their MP10 Artwork now?--Swiftie Luma (talk) 13:36, 12 March 2015 (EDT)--Swiftie Luma (talk) 13:36, 12 March 2015 (EDT) Princess Daisy was NEVER voiced by Kate Flemming with proof It was actually Jessica Chisum who originally voiced Daisy She was credited for her. Sources http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0276320/?ref_=nm_knf_i1 http://toposwopetalent.com/talent/7604/jessica-chisum/ — The preceding unsigned comment was added by WaluigiWarrior (talk). It was corrected in the List of Mario Tennis (Nintendo 64) staff page, like two years ago. Good thing that you updated this in the "Portrayals" section recently. - Infinite8 03:46, 9 June 2017 (EDT) MKA:GP DX The section for Daisy in Mario Kart Arcade GP DX is missing. Can someone add it? B ron 3000 22:22, 6 August 2017 (EDT) Hey i found a grammar error and Daisy doesn't deserve that can someone please edit it see it should say "where there is" not "where is" please edit this daisy deserves proper grammar on her page 14:16, 17 October 2017 (EDT)Celastrina (talk) 14:16, 17 October 2017 (EDT)celastrina Fixed it. --TheFlameChomp (talk) 14:18, 17 October 2017 (EDT) With all due respect, there was nothing stopping you from editing it yourself. That's what wikis are for...anyone can edit. You could have fixed it yourself, just so you know. Also, with further respect, is saying things like "deserves proper grammar" even necessary? It doesn't seem to achieve anything. CrashBash (talk) 15:36, 17 October 2017 (EDT) The page is protected against non-autoconfirmed users. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 15:39, 17 October 2017 (EDT) Oh, OK. Still doesn't explain the "deserves proper grammar" part. CrashBash (talk) 10:17, 18 October 2017 (EDT) Don't all the pages on the wiki deserve proper grammar? They're clearly a Daisy fan. Nothin' wrong with that. UhHuhAlrightDaisy (talk) 10:37, 18 October 2017 (EDT) Where did this came from? In the personality section, it says "Daisy is portrayed as willing to put friendships and other interests aside when it comes to sports and competitions; she also hates losing and trains hard to win. She likes to go shopping and dine at fine restaurants but gladly passes up such enjoyments to train, instead." Althought I know for sure the first part is partially true (various of her losing animations in sports games shows her angry at losing), I cant remember where the rest of the info came from. I dont remember any in-game statement of she liking to dine at restaurants and even less of giving up on it for training. User:Ashley anEoTselkie/sig 08:20, 26 January 2018 (EST) One of the Olympic games. From the official profiles sub-page: Flag Description (Wii U version) Daisy The peppy princess of Sarasaland is having a blast at the Olympic Games! In her downtime, she plans to chow down at fine restaurants and maybe get a little shopping in with Peach. And there you have it. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 08:42, 26 January 2018 (EST) Oh, thanks for the info! Didnt know that.User:Ashley anEoTselkie/sig information We Don't have. There's some Offical info on a Different Which has info about Princess Daisy's Relationships (Mainly about Luigi) That We Don't have. am i allowed To Put The Wiki's Link Here or is that only For Wikis that are Related To this one Like Donkey Kong Wiki and SmashWiki? LUIGIRULES71 (talk) 23:57, 3 February 2018 (EST) What's the link? Mario JC 00:45, 4 February 2018 (EST) To The Wiki? LUIGIRULES71 (talk) 04:35, 4 February 2018 (EST) Unless you're referring to a different link, yes. Mario JC 07:06, 4 February 2018 (EST) Here. http://we-are-daisy.wikia.com/wiki/Daisy%27s_Relationships LUIGIRULES71 (talk) 07:49, 4 February 2018 (EST) That is a fan wiki and is not a reliable source of information, though much of it is derived from in-game content and descriptions, and any information like that can simply be added to the article, so linking/referencing this is unnecessary anyway. And you don't need to sign your name three times. Mario JC 08:29, 4 February 2018 (EST) Oh Really? i Thought it Was interesting Because it had information about The Nintendo World Store in 2013 Where Luigi Was asked about Daisy. {{|LUIGIRULES71}} LUIGIRULES71 (talk) 19:59, 5 February 2018 (EST) How many games Daisy has appeared in doesn't matter Statements such as "With the frequent release of Mario installments, Daisy has been in over 60 video games so far, the most of any female character besides Princess Peach." in the intro are meaningless without any further context. Daisy having the second most appearances in video games for a female character is not an important statement to make, since this statement ultimately conflates that her playable character roster role in many small subseries has any sort of meaningful legacy and impact as video games as a whole-this statement in the intro does make a comparison with other female characters in the video games in the first place-when arguably Daisy's appearances as part of a character roster in a Mario spin-off does not. The only reason Peach has this statement is because she's an iconic, recognizable video game icon who has the history behind her to justify statements of her appearances in video game titles. You can essentially make the same statement with Donkey Kong is the most playable gorilla, Yoshi is the most playable dinosaur, etc; all which are technically accurate, but nothing noteworthy in an article. Ray Trace(T|C) 15:00, 16 March 2018 (EDT) I think it's worth mentioning, because Daisy has not just appeared in just a lot of games, she has appeared in a variety of them. This includes being playable in large blockbuster titles such as Smash Bros and Mario Kart and Mario Party etc. for years, and she complements Peach like Luigi does Mario, offering a different personality. --Memoryman3 (talk) 10:59, 14 February 2019 (EST) Remove the Peach is Daisy's cousin part in the wiki A lot of controversy has happened regarding Peach and Daisy due to Prima's misinformation of Daisy being Peach's cousin being in their books. Oddly, this information has been stuck on the wiki without ever being verified, but I have took time to purchase one of these books. The page number is 29 from the Double Dash strategy book, BUT... the first page of this strategy guide says as follows "The first page has a disclaimer: "the publisher makes no warranty, either expressed or implied, as to the *ACCURACY*, effectiveness, or completeness of the material in THIS book; nor ... assume liability for damages, ..., that may result from using information this book." Basically, they're saying that misinformation can appear in the book and they will not be held accountable for them. So I think it's best if the misinformation would be removed to prevent further confusion. If you need picture proof, you can find it here: https://twitter.com/taddlelegacy/status/1011749866509295616 Ilovecrt (talk) 19:22, 26 June 2018 (EDT) While true they got it wrong, we still make a note of it...because they got it wrong. Wiki article even says that this hasn't been confirmed, but should still be noted regardless. Thanks for providing a reference for this, though, it was asking for one! 19:27, 26 June 2018 (EDT) Anyways, Nintendo Power has proven worse in this sort of regard anyways (NSMB guide, anyone?), so don't act like Prima's the ultimate evil or whatever. I am sick of people doing that. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:34, 26 June 2018 (EDT) What's wrong with the NSMB guide? 19:39, 26 June 2018 (EDT) No idea I didn't see this until now, but it started a long string of misnaming "Sledge Bro" as "Sumo Bro" among other stupid mistakes. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 06:02, 8 March 2019 (EST) Regarding the Princess Daisy promo picture for Super Mario Party Yeah, I think that we are in a predicament here in terms of the newest promo artwork picture that just surfaced involving Daisy for Super Mario Party. Although the wiki's policy says that we aren't to change the infobox picture to the latest "standard" picture of said character until the game is released, would an exception be placed here (because in this one, Daisy is also winking; and in my honest opinion, the one for Mario Party 10 is still worth having active in the infobox because both of her eyes are open). Other than that, I still do believe this qualifies to be placed in the main article itself when the time comes, especially in the Personality section, perhaps. --M. C. - Profile | Talk Page 12:45, 14 September 2018 (EDT) No need to change it right now. New picture can remain in the Gallery for the time being. Though, tbh, the Mario Party section could probably be reworked. 15:24, 14 September 2018 (EDT) Uh, I was referring to when the Super Mario Party game itself gets released early next month; that's when we have to decide on if the current infobox picture still stays, or if the majority opinion says it needs to be changed. --M. C. - Profile | Talk Page 12:35, 15 September 2018 (EDT) I don't see how a wink negates it being good new main art when the previous one is from 2011. It's way too old, so when the game comes out, we should really replace it with this new one. UhHuhAlrightDaisy (talk) 18:06, 14 September 2018 (EDT) The thing is that the one we've got now it still a great "standard picture" in terms of representing Daisy herself, so I still think an exception should be made in this case in terms of having that be kept on the article. If anything, though, when the time comes after Super Mario Party gets released, the respective art for Daisy needs to be put someone on the article page itself (I'm still thinking it definitely qualifies for the "Gallery" preview section here). --M. C. - Profile | Talk Page 18:26, 3 October 2018 (EDT) I don't see why this is a problem. It's a wink. If anything, it shows her character more. 18:32, 3 October 2018 (EDT) @Alex95 and UhHuhAlrightDaisy - I rest my case; upon closer inspection it seems that this said picture is way better than her other "standard" one for the infobox. And I see that someone has just changed it already, infobox wise. But I still think the other picture still qualifies for the gallery preview section; will check into that momentarily. --M. C. - Profile | Talk Page 21:21, 4 October 2018 (EDT) Smash Bros Ultimate Since Smash Bros. came out, I think the Powers and Abilities section probably needs revising - since we have confirmation that the powers she displayed needed to be approved from the Mario IP team. Daisy was shown to float using her dress in that game. Also, can we remove the hurt-box altering thing? It's so trivial and negligible that it doesn't affect how she plays at all. --Memoryman3 (talk) 15:16, 13 February 2019 (EST) Mario IP team? And the differing hurtboxes should stay, as it's one of the few differences she had between her and Peach. 15:18, 13 February 2019 (EST) Yes. There's an IP team that oversees the character handling and more, for all games a character appears in. It has been mentioned in several interviews, from the Mario and Rabbids team, to Alphadream's lack of original characters in some Mario games, to Camelot talking about how they weren't free to portray Waluigi in any way they like, and even the Smash Bros team. As for the hurtbox thing, it's so trivial that it doesn't affect gameplay 99.9% of the time. It's just a result of the differing animations which I already covered in my last revision. --Memoryman3 (talk) 10:54, 14 February 2019 (EST) Luigi's Mansion 3 Hello, I was just seeing this page about Daisy and when I scrolled to the list of appearances I saw something very strange, it says that Daisy appear as an artwork for Luigi's Mansion 3 and I was like "WHAT?" I never heard anything about Daisy been referenced in any way in Luigi's Mansion 3. I search this on google and I found nothing, I also went in the gallery and this artwork wasnt there, that makes me think that this might be fake because why this was just labeled in this list in the end of the page, instead of doing a proper paragraph? Princess Daisy is underappreciated character that I personally like very much, if she was referenced in Luigi's Mansion 3 this would be a major thing that needs to be written in this page, so anyone can check about this? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.95.221.72 (talk). If anything, the artwork would be in the Paranormal Productions area, where there's references to other series like Punch-Out and Metroid. But I'm not sure. 13:56, July 17, 2020 (EDT) From the source that I found for the Daisy appearance (https://mobile.twitter.com/MarioBrothBlog/status/1229877802729660417/photo/1) this is as much of an appearance for Daisy as it is for Wario, Waluigi and Donkey Kong... I really don't think it should count. Exodecai We don't have this artwork on the wiki, is it directly pulled from Strikers Charged or is it new artwork created as a reference to the game? If it's the latter then it should probably be noted for all of them as they intentionally were included. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 11:47, August 3, 2021 (EDT) Changing the current Daisy artwork used on the Mario Wiki Let me explain: So basically i didn't really like the MPSS artwork being used as the main Daisy article image, so i wanted to change it to another artwork from MPSS (specifically the one where she happily jumps) but since you can't edit Daisy's article page i can't do that... So if anyone can, could you change the artwork for me? Please? Thank you. Shadic 34 (talk) 12:31, January 19, 2022 (EST) It chalks down to personal preference but I still think Super Mario Party art generally wins out (I'm not fond of the posing of the current one). If you want to change the art, I think you have to first try to get a talk page consensus. If that doesn't settle it, we usually do talk page proposal, such as here or here. I think one reason we're not using the jumping one is that her eyes are closed and the posing a little too dynamic, probably why Bowser Jr. doesn't use his handstanding art. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 19:46, January 19, 2022 (EST) Mario Party Superstars appearance? The section for her appearances in the Mario Party series still list her latest appearance as Super Mario Party, even though Mario Party Superstars is listed in her appearances by date. Should this be fixed? KRcanondorf (talk) 14:55, March 24, 2022 (EDT) Absoloutely. Nightwicked Bowser 15:12, March 24, 2022 (EDT) Looks like this still hasn't been updated, I'd make the change myself but I don't have edit permissions for the page. KRcanondorf (talk) 16:00, April 19, 2022 (EDT) I'm not sure what you're referring to. The "Mario Party series" and "List of appearances by date" sections and the infobox all mention Superstars' appearance. Mario JC 07:23, April 20, 2022 (EDT) I asked this on April 19th, the 'Mario Party' section was updated on April 20th. It's resolved now so ignore my previous comment :) KRcanondorf (talk) 00:40, April 24, 2022 (EDT) Oh I didn't even see Tails777's edit, ignore mine too then. Mario JC 01:12, April 24, 2022 (EDT) GBA Appearances Does she have any appearances in the Game Boy Advance platform? I couldn't find any specific information about her appearance in the GBA. Mario Tennis GBC had her, but Power Tour didn't. Windy (talk) 07:37, May 1, 2022 (EDT) Only games with GBA in a cartridge are listed. Windy (talk) 05:46, May 25, 2022 (EDT) If you can't find mentions of her appearance in cartridge GBA games (which excludes Mario Party-e) in any capacity, it means she hasn't made an appearance in GBA games any capacity. It sure makes for a fun fact though! Try it with your fellow Mario fans! It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 21:10, May 25, 2022 (EDT) After all, she never physically appeared in cartridge GBA games. She didn't appear as a playable character on a handheld console until NDS. In addition, she was nothing different than a spin-off only character until 2015. Windy (talk) 22:48, May 25, 2022 (EDT) aniwotawiki said GBA has no appearance. Windy (talk) 17:27, June 4, 2022 (EDT) New artwork for Daisy’s profile? This talk page proposal has already been settled. Please do not edit this section or its subsections. If you wish to discuss the article, please do so in a new section below the proposal. vetoed by the administrators This is not something that requires a proposal. The artwork will definitely be used, but the rule is that the infobox isn't updated until the related game is released. Hello! Since we have a brand new artwork for Daisy from the upcoming game Super Mario Bros. Wonder, I think it quite fits for her as her profile artwork for the following reasons: 1. it’s from a mainline game, 2. it’s more recent, 3. it is (or,it will be) higher quality than her MPS artwork. What do you think? Mario Party Superstars, current profile Super Mario Bros. Wonder artwork Proposer: Wallowigi (talk) Deadline: July 6, 2023, 23:59 GMT Support Oppose Swallow (talk) Per Template:Character infobox, the artwork can only be updated after the game's release. Comments Regarding Daisy's physical appearance Not wanting to be rude, but that section of Daisy's page has so much mess going on. Other members of the wiki explicitly stated to not fill the princesses' pages with fan-worship cruft and have trimmed their physical appearance sections (I did it as well), yet some editors here continue doing so. I recommend protecting Daisy's page, or making a disclaimer about it, as I do not want to make edit wars by undoing other users' edits to watch them be brought back. Honestly, seeing every small detail of Daisy's appearance and highlighting how tan her skin is when it's actually really inconsistent from game to game and even between artworks of the same game (she has always ranged from very pale to being just as "tan" as the male characters) is all but encyclopedic. Please stay actually true to sources and avoid POV. Wallowigi (talk) 13:00, October 13, 2023 (EDT) other appearances I wanted to discuss about it since it's a major change, but this section feels a little messy. Shouldn't the Arcade GP 1/2 section go under Mario kart instead of being here? The Mario Movie reference is very minor and feels like it belongs there more than the previous one does. PrincessDaisyForever Move to "Daisy" This talk page proposal has already been settled. Please do not edit this section or its subsections. If you wish to discuss the article, please do so in a new section below the proposal. do not move 15-18 This is a big one. The Super Mario Wiki's naming policy suggests that an article should use the most common English name for a subject, with in-game names having priority over all other names. Somewhat recently, a proposal that I wrote was passed to move "Baby Donkey Kong" to "Baby DK", on the grounds that using a common in-game name takes priority over using the "full name". This same idea, I believe, is also relevant with Princess Daisy. While "Princess Daisy" is her full title, and it appears somewhat often in paratext and in in-game dialogue, to my knowledge, there has never been a game where Daisy is called "Princess Daisy" in-game as her primary name. The use of the title "Princess Daisy" is about on par with how often Bowser is called variations of "King Bowser". For the sake of completeness, here is every game I'm aware of where Daisy is called "Princess Daisy" in-game (and not just in associated paratext): Super Mario Bros. Print World, which also uses "Daisy" to refer to one image of Princess Peach Mario Superstar Baseball and Mario Super Sluggers, where "Daisy" is used as her primary name but she's called both "Daisy" and "Princess Daisy" in dialogue, depending on who's referring to her Fortune Street, in the same situation as the baseball games Super Mario Run, where "Daisy" is her primary name but both "Daisy" and "Princess Daisy" are used in different in-game descriptions of Remix 10 Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, where she's called "Daisy" except once during Palutena's Guidance While I doubt this is truly a comprehensive list, I spent the past few hours checking this for every single game Daisy has ever appeared in, and I can confirm that "Daisy" is and always has been her most commonly used in-game English name, ever since Super Mario Land's "Oh! Daisy". A very similar argument could theoretically be made for Princess Peach, but I believe that the case for moving "Princess Daisy" to "Daisy" is much stronger. The full title "Princess Peach" is prominently featured in some games in a way that "Princess Daisy" seemingly never has been, and since Peach's official English name has changed over time anyway it's not as simple to check what version of her name has been used more often. As such, this proposal only concerns Daisy, and additional research would be necessary to determine if it would make sense to suggest the same thing for Peach or not. Proposer: JanMisali (talk) Deadline: July 14, 2024, 23:59 GMT Move to "Daisy" JanMisali (talk) As proposer. LinkTheLefty (talk) It's been a long time coming. Cadrega86 (talk) per proposal Hewer (talk) This is long overdue, per all. Super Mario RPG (talk) Per all. Camwoodstock (talk) At first, we were honestly kinda skeptical, but after reading the proposal... Wow, they really avoid using "Princess Daisy", huh? We don't see any particular reason not to go with this. Per proposal. Tails777 (talk) Oh believe me, this has been on my mind for ages. And you even have the whole King Bowser comparison that's ALSO been on my mind when thinking about this. Per proposal! SolemnStormcloud (talk) Per all. Pseudo (talk) Per all – seems really similar to King Bowser. Jazama (talk) Per all Koopa con Carne (talk) Per proposal. Peach and Daisy are different characters and the way one is treated should have no bearing on the other. Shy Guy on Wheels (talk) Per proposal. This page being titled 'Princess Daisy' feels like something from years ago that people haven't questioned because it seems like it makes sense, but this proposal shows that her name just being "Daisy" is very a intentional and consistent choice. Blinker (talk) I think the "keep names short" explanation stops making sense when the same games that use stuff like "Daisy" and "Larry" also have names like "Mr. Game & Watch" and "Light-blue Shy Guy (Explorer)". Per all. WayslideCool (talk) Per all. Krizzy (talk) Per all, particularly Pseudo. Keep as "Princess Daisy" DrBaskerville (talk) While the proposal makes a compelling argument and isn't wrong in any of its assertions, Peach and Daisy share so many similarities in so many different regards that unless we're changing the name of Peach's page, which I don't think we should and which you acknowledge would be a harder case to sell, then I think both should include "Princess" in their page names. I consider "Princess" as much a part of Daisy's name as "Prince" is to Prince Mush, Princess Shroob, Queen Bean, Princess Lipid, King Bob-omb, King K. Rool, Queen Bee, Queen Nimbus, King Nimbus, or King Boo, etc. (and believe me the list goes on), not just a title that is oftentimes associated with her, like referenced in the "King Bowser" example in the comments. While the naming policy discourages titles in article names, we can hardly rename King Boo's article to "Boo", King Bob-omb to "Bob-omb", Queen Bean to "Bean", Queen Shroob to "Shroob", etc. There are sometimes when exceptions need to be made, including in cases wherein the titles essentially become their "main" names, which I think includes the cases of Daisy and Peach. PrincessPeachFan (talk): Shall we move all the other articles to not use royalty titles. TheUndescribableGhost (talk) The princess name is still pretty common. I mean sure, Daisy is pretty unprincess-like, but it's not like that title is as rare as Princess Rosalina is. It's like if the SpongeBob wiki went to change Patrick Star's name to Patrick, because it's more common to call him by his first name. I mean, it's not like I don't don't that on Lumpypedia where where Russell the Pirate and Splendid the Flying Squirrel use shorthand names, but that was because of how quickly they were retired while Princess still has enough. It reminds me of the Koopaling situation. Nintendo101 (talk) I think the arguments raised about other characters are a little dishonest - Daisy is a way more ubiquitous character in the franchise than King Boo or Queen Bee, and the point of this proposal is just that "Daisy" is more commonly used in isolation. That is never done with any of these other characters, and it is silly to suggest that this proposal would lead to all characters with royal monikers being truncated. However, I would not be comfortable with a rename like this unless one was also raised for Princess Peach. If this proposal was adjusted to allow for that as options, I may change my vote. Ahemtoday (talk) The inconsistency between Peach and Daisy's articles would just bug me. Frankly, I feel like they should both get the "Princess" lopped off. Technetium (talk) Per Nintendo101 and Ahemtoday’s comments. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) - She's only really called "Daisy" in the games where Peach is just called "Peach," which appears to be mainly an attempt to keep the names short (like how many of those same games call Donkey Kong "DK"). The only difference here is that that makes up most of Daisy's appearances, but it's still used otherwise. Granted, I can see it going either way, but reminder that the proposal to move the Koopalings to their more common short names failed. FanOfYoshi (talk) Per all. Sdman213 (talk) Per all. Wallowigi (talk) Her title is central to her identity, especially since all of her game profiles point out that her character conflicts with the (inconfutable) fact she is a princess. Bowser and Rosalina are bad comparison; the former is seldom called a king (and is generally portrayed as the leader of a population, rather than the ruler of a physical place; he does not even wear a crown, thus he’ll be almost always called just Bowser, as if he was just an army general), while Rosalina’s nobility status is ambiguous. It has always been implied she is royalty (why would she wear a crown after all?) but has never been called a princess in-game, while Daisy has, and multiple times at that. SeanWheeler (talk) Per all. Shoey (talk) Per all. MCD (talk) - Per all. SmokedChili (talk) Per all. Like with the Koopalings' full names, "Princess Daisy" as an article title has innate disambiguation in case an object or another character named "Daisy" appears and gets coverage on this wiki, so I see keeping this as it is as a long-term failsafe. Windy (talk) Per Doc von Schmeltwick. Shadow2 (talk) This'll just lead to a weird, distracting inconsistency and won't really solve any issues. Shadow2 (talk) 16:46, July 10, 2024 (EDT) FanOfRosalina2007 (talk) Per Wallowigi and Doc von Schmeltwick. We might as well rename Princess Peach to just Peach if we do this, and that's even less needed in my opinion. Sparks (talk) Per all. Comments Even official material outside of games may prefer using "Daisy" without "princess". Take this puzzle activity on play.nintendo.com, where Daisy is very specifically called just that in the activity's description and the completion message (even though the former also mentions her ruling Sarasaland), whereas Peach is consistently referred to with her full title. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 17:13, June 30, 2024 (EDT) Would we move "Princess Peach" to "Peach" at some point? Because I'm fairly certain that name sees greater use than the full "Princess Peach" across her game appearances. - Nintendo101 (talk) 22:23, June 30, 2024 (EDT) @Nintendo101 I wouldn't be opposed to such a move. I generally don't like characters' full names in page titles, since that's basically duplicating the intent behind the full_name parameter in the character infobox. Perhaps the Koopalings can be renamed too. Super Mario RPG (talk) 22:29, June 30, 2024 (EDT) FWIW I'd support renaming the Koopalings, not so sure about Peach though.--Cadrega86 (talk) 17:53, July 1, 2024 (EDT) Seconded. The last attempt to rename the Koopalings failed, but given there's now more precedent (and that the last proposal's failure was due in part to a strange division of the support option), it might be worth another shot. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 18:58, July 1, 2024 (EDT) @DrBaskerville: I don't believe the naming policy "discourages titles", it's just a matter of using the most common name for the character, which in this case (and not in the other cases you mention) is inarguably just Daisy. Peach is Princess Peach far more often than Daisy is Princess Daisy, hence we should handle these case-by-case. If it's a precedent you want though, there's Princess Rosalina. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 03:33, July 1, 2024 (EDT) I agree that it should be evaluated on a case-by-case basis, and thank you for the clarification on the naming policy. As I said in my response by acknowledging the validity of the proposal, I don't disagree that Daisy is more commonly used; I do, however, think that "Princess Daisy" remains the best title for the page given how closely tied she is to Princess Peach. Rosalina was a good counterexample. You have me there, but, again, case-by-case basis. Dr. Baskerville 04:10, July 1, 2024 (EDT) So, shall we do things like move King Boo to just Boo or King Bob-Omb to just Bob-omb? PrincessPeachFan (talk) 12:47, July 1, 2024 (EDT) No. This proposal is not that we shouldn't use royal titles in general. The question is about the primary name of the subject, and to my knowledge there has never been a game where "Princess Daisy" is used as Daisy's primary name. We don't call Princess Rosalina or King Bowser by their royal titles in their article names either. jan Misali (talk · contributions) 12:50, July 1, 2024 (EDT) I guess if I can keep expanding on my arguments, we also have cases such as Eric Cartman, where the character's name is typically Cartman. The other South Park boys are called by their first names typically, Stan Marsh, Kyle Broflovski, and Kenny McCormick. Sure, wikis don't use Eric Theodore Cartman, but they at least use Eric Cartman, because that is occasionally said. Kenny also has a full name, but it just uses these two names. It's also noteworthy, because Daisy isn't the only fictional character named Daisy. Heck, we have another character in the series named Daisy! And of course, the Crazee Dayzees. This isn't really the Princess Rosalina situation. TheUndescribableGhost (talk) 20:46, July 1, 2024 (EDT) ...What? We aren't a South Park wiki or a SpongeBob wiki or anything else, we're a Mario wiki. It doesn't matter if other wikis would handle this differently, they're entirely separate wikis with their own policies. This kinda is the Princess Rosalina situation - it's a full name that's occasionally but not regularly used. And what do other characters named Daisy have to with anything? "Daisy" on its own is already a redirect to the princess. I'm struggling to make sense of your argument. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 06:05, July 2, 2024 (EDT) I agree with Hewer that the policies of other wikis don't generally advise Mario's Wiki's policies, so I would recommend against using other wikis as examples. My favorite part of your argument is reference to similarly named characters, like Crazee Dayzee and Creeper Launcher Daisy. Will we have to add a disambiguation to the renamed Daisy page to be "Daisy (Princess)"? That would defeat the whole purpose of the proposal in the first place. We can be fairly assured Nintendo won't release another character named "Princess Daisy", but, as seen with CLD, they're apparently not opposed to using the "Daisy" name altogether. I think that's just another reason to leave things as they currently are. Dr. Baskerville 13:56, July 2, 2024 (EDT) We do not need to use an identifier because people who look up "Daisy" are so very overwhelmingly more likely to be looking for the princess than the ghost. In fact, click this Daisy link and see where it takes you. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 16:14, July 2, 2024 (EDT) @Nintendo101 and Ahemtoday: As pointed out in the proposal (and Koopa con Carne's comment above), "Princess Peach" is used more often than "Princess Daisy", so they aren't in the same situation snd should thus be viewed as two separate cases. "Inconsistencies" like these aren't unprecedented - there's Donkey Kong but Baby DK, Mini-Mario and Jimmy P. (with punctuation) but Mini Luigi and Jimmy T (without), and we already don't use "Princess Rosalina". Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 05:30, July 4, 2024 (EDT) "Princess Peach" is used, but it is worth scrutinizing if "Peach" in isolation sees greater use. I have never personally felt convinced about the "Princess Rosalina" argument because it is a much more subdued element of that character, to the point that, growing up, I only learned she was occasionally referred to as "Princess Rosalina" through the references cited on this wiki. Her being a princess is essentially trivial. That is not the case for Peach and Daisy, who in nearly every in-game and paratextual bio are conveyed as rulers of a named land and look the part (from a Western pop culture perspective). The concept of them as true princesses is much more opaque than it ever was with Rosalina. - Nintendo101 (talk) 23:54, July 4, 2024 (EDT) Sure Peach's name is worth scrutinizing, but that's still a separate discussion that I don't think has much reason to be linked to Daisy, where the long name is more obviously less common than the shortened one. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 01:57, July 5, 2024 (EDT) A few people have brought this up now so I should elaborate on this point. I agree that it could also make sense to move "Princess Peach" to "Peach". However, that is not part of this proposal; it would be a separate proposal. Even though the arguments for moving the two articles are similar, the main point I have for why "Daisy" is a better name for this article than "Princess Daisy" ("Princess Daisy" has never been her primary in-game name) does not apply to Peach, so even if these two things were combined into one proposal, they would still functionally be two independent proposals that people would have to develop opinions on separately regardless. I do not consider "I agree that the thing this proposal suggests should happen, but I also think a different thing that isn't part of this proposal should happen too" to be a sensible reason to vote against this proposal. jan Misali (talk · contributions) 10:35, July 5, 2024 (EDT) I understand your reasoning. I personally remain unsupportive of a name-change proposal that only addresses Daisy and not Peach. The inconsistency would bother me if only one was changed, in the same way a name-change proposal for Luigi that would also be potentially applicable to Mario would bother me. I would only support a proposal of this nature if it addressed both of them. Sorry. - Nintendo101 (talk) 15:54, July 5, 2024 (EDT) To ask this question in zero uncertain terms, out of our own morbid curiosity: if someone made a proposal to do the same to Peach mid-this proposal, regardless of who made it, would the existence of that proposal--and only the existence of that proposal, this is ignoring how the Peach proposal would actually go--change your vote here? ~Camwoodstock ( talk ☼ contribs ) 19:18, July 5, 2024 (EDT) Maybe? Depends on what this other proposal looks like. I personally think it'd be healthier to make one proposal discussing the merits of both and delineating the options as "Remove 'Princess' from the titles for Peach and Daisy", "Only move Princess Peach to Peach", "Only move Princess Daisy to Daisy", "Leave them as is." That's what I would've done at least. - Nintendo101 (talk) 14:14, July 6, 2024 (EDT) What is the functional difference between that and two separate proposals? The only thing I can think of is that it would be harder for a joint proposal covering two independent changes to reach a majority vote than two separate proposals, but I'm sure that can't be the reason you'd prefer the two princesses to be covered by the same proposal. jan Misali (talk · contributions) 16:48, July 6, 2024 (EDT) Quite a few of the arguments for one are applicable to both, and more importantly (for me at least), if the proposal passes, it means they would be changed at the same time so there is no prolonged period of time where one is called "Princess Peach" while the other is just called "Daisy". - Nintendo101 (talk) 17:42, July 6, 2024 (EDT) As pointed out by Koopa con Carne at the top of this comment section, official sources aren't averse to doing exactly that. And again, I raise Jimmy T vs P., Mini-Mario vs Mini Luigi, and Donkey Kong vs Baby DK - why so much concern about consistency between two separate characters with separate appearances and separate names? Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 18:08, July 6, 2024 (EDT) It just bothers me. Do I need a deeper reason? Others are welcomed to disagree. - Nintendo101 (talk) 19:53, July 6, 2024 (EDT) MarioWiki:Proposals suggests that a user "must have a strong reason" for their vote, and that other users can "call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning". jan Misali (talk · contributions) 13:15, July 7, 2024 (EDT) I thought my vote would be received as understandable and innocuous, not as controversial or unsubstantiated. Perhaps that was naïve of me. Allow me to further substantiate my vote. In the language (citing this article on film for context on what I am referring to – I do not mean literal written text) of nearly all of the games in which they both appear, Peach and Daisy are intended to mirror each other, and it has been that case for multiple decades and as recently as the latest mainline game entry in 2023. The relationship between these two as presented is comparable to that of Mario and Luigi, and I think to suggest that is unreasonable or subjective is not substantiated by the games they appear in together. Consequently, I think to change the name of one character (Daisy) while leaving the other the same (Princess Peach), not only looks imbalanced, but also artificially trivializes their long-standing relationship by passively suggesting that Daisy is a wholistically different (and potentially even lesser) character to Peach. We as users may understand that to not be the case, but I uncritically felt that would be part of the impression to readers with a change for one without the other, in the same way a change of a name proposal affecting Luigi without Mario would be similarly received. Maybe that doesn’t matter to other users, and that’s fine. But it bothers me. Why is this different from characters like Baby DK or Jimmy P. and their respective counterparts? It is readily obvious. It is because these characters are far less significant. Peach and Daisy are among the most prolific and recurring characters in the entire media franchise. I think Baby DK has appeared in two games. The name discrepancy between him and the adult Donkey Kong is fundamentally unimportant with regards to how they are perceived, and it is silly to suggest it is an analogous situation. - Nintendo101 (talk) 19:39, July 7, 2024 (EDT) I think I understand your position now (Thank you for clarifying! It's very helpful, genuinely.), but I still don't understand why that position means you're voting against the change this proposal suggests. Imagine if I had made a version of the proposal where moving this article and moving "Princess Peach" to "Peach" are presented as two independent options. I'll assume that moving Peach would be about as controversial as this suggestion to move Daisy has been, but that having a "move both Peach and Daisy" option would sway a significant number of people would otherwise not want to move Princess Daisy to Daisy. I'd expect the end result of that to be something around one third of people suggesting to move both Peach and Daisy, one third of people suggesting to only move Daisy, and one third of people suggesting not to move either article. None of these options reach a majority vote, so the proposal is delayed multiple times until it eventually it ends without any consensus, and by default nothing happens and neither article is moved. Alternatively, if moving both articles does get a majority vote, fully implementing the change would take longer for "Princess Peach" than it would for "Princess Daisy", so there would still be an awkward transitional period where we have "Daisy" and "Princess Peach". In what way would this address your concerns here that wouldn't be better handled by two separate proposals? jan Misali (talk · contributions) 10:26, July 8, 2024 (EDT) A proposal covering multiple articles at the same time doesn't mean the articles will be changed simultaneously. Goomba (film species) was merged about two months after Snifit (film species) even though they were decided by the same proposal, because those changes involved different amounts of work and were done by different editors. Changing "Princess Peach" to "Peach" site-wide would probably happen a little while after changing "Princess Daisy" to "Daisy" even if the two changes were approved simultaneously. jan Misali (talk · contributions) 18:35, July 6, 2024 (EDT) People keep bringing up Rosalina, but has she ever been treated as a "princess" in-game at any time? From what I've seen, she's usually treated as more of a queen, but it seems to be deliberately left vague. Much unlike Daisy. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:38, July 6, 2024 (EDT) To my knowledge, Rosalina has never been directly called a princess in-game (only in paratext), but I'm also unaware of anything outside of paratext saying directly that she's royalty of any kind, and I don't know what "usually treated as more of a queen" is supposed to be referring to. Regardless, the example I used in the proposal itself ("King Bowser") is a better comparison, I think. Daisy is almost never called Princess Daisy, but it's not a strictly paratext-exclusive title like "Princess Rosalina". jan Misali (talk · contributions) 16:41, July 6, 2024 (EDT) Well, from what I can gather, it's sometimes unclear what kind of leader Bowser is anyway. In a lot of the more recent games, his minions (including the Koopalings) address him as Lord Bowser. I'm pretty sure "lord" is not the same thing as "king". Yet, Super Mario Party Jamboree has King Bowser's Keep as a board? As for Rosalina, confusion about the Princess title existed before the game came out too. Apparently, back when the article was created on July 19 2007 under the name "Princess Rosetta", it was stated that the name came from a GoNintendo article around the time. They got the "Rosetta" name from a Famitsu article which they also posted; however, said Famitsu article never referred Rosetta as a princess, instead calling her a "mysterious woman" (謎の女性); the "princess" part came from GoNintendo, as they initially assumed Rosalina to be Peach before they found out the other princess's name is Rosetta, then wondered if Mario would be meeting other princesses in Galaxy. The only other official material I can find is the Prima Guide, which has "Not much is known about Rosalina, the lonely princess who wanders the cosmos in the Comet Observatory [...]" in her cast description. Buuuut Prima tends to get things wrong: the very same guide claims that Koopas like Bowser and Bowser Jr. are based on the kappa. If you're asking me, people outside of Nintendo simply assumed Rosalina is a princess, just because she looks a lot like Peach, who is a princess; but these assumptions were never confirmed to be true by Nintendo. That's very different from Daisy, who has been officially confirmed a princess on several occasions as early as the Super Mario Land manual and box art. rend (talk) (edits) 17:49, July 6, 2024 (EDT) "Lord" is probably just being used in a non-technical sense to show Bowser's minions' deference to him, and the other three sources for "princess" in the infobox on Rosalina's article come straight from Nintendo. Either way though, I think we're losing track a bit of the point of this proposal - we aren't debating whether Daisy is a princess, we're debating whether she should be referred to by the name "Princess Daisy" or the name "Daisy", and the latter name is more common regardless of her royal status. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 18:02, July 6, 2024 (EDT) Rosalina's thing makes me think more of Disney's "Princess" brand, wherein most are not actually princesses, and many aren't even royalty. My point is that Rosalina's a bad example. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:39, July 6, 2024 (EDT) @Doc von Schmeltwick: One of the proposal's main points is that there has never been a game in which she's primarily called "Princess Daisy". This isn't just "most of Daisy's appearances", it's all of Daisy's appearances. The "other" cases where "Princess Daisy" is used are in the minority. The Koopalings proposal may have failed, but as I brought up above, it's now contrasted with several successful name shortening proposals, and honestly the Koopalings should be next in line. And do you have an example of the DK thing? Because I've played my share of Mario spin-offs and can't think of one where the primary names for these characters weren't "Peach", "Daisy", and "Donkey Kong". Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 17:44, July 6, 2024 (EDT) Every N64-era spinoff just called him "DK" on the select screen and often elsewhere. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:39, July 6, 2024 (EDT) Well, it's not the N64 era anymore. He's been "Donkey Kong" in every Mario Kart game since Double Dash, every Mario Tennis game except the first one, every Mario Golf game since Toadstool Tour, every Baseball, Strikers, and Party game, every Mario & Sonic game... and in all of these games, Daisy is just Daisy. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 19:23, July 6, 2024 (EDT) @Wallowigi This proposal is not suggesting that the wiki should stop referring to Daisy as a princess. It is suggesting that the wiki should not use "Princess Daisy" as the name of this article. Regardless of what royal titles Bowser may or may not hold, he is called "King Bowser" (or other similar things) about as often as Daisy is called "Princess Daisy". jan Misali (talk · contributions) 16:15, July 7, 2024 (EDT) I know. The problem here is that Princess Daisy is indeed an official name that reflects Daisy's princess status; the fact that she is called just "Daisy" more often does not go against that "Princess Daisy" is her full "name". If anything, I'd bring the outfit matter as comparison: Daisy has worn her sports outfit in more games than she has her dress as of now, but her picture is (rightfully) portraying a render of her with a dress. I think both this and the name matter make clear that she is a princess first and foremost, with her “casualness” being a secondary trait. Going by the logic of the proposal, that values the number of occurrences rather than their importance, Daisy's profile picture should be changed to one in her sports outfit. Of course, that's not my only reason to oppose the proposal; I think I should have added a “per all, but also” at the start. My actual main concern is the discrepancy with Peach's article title, since it can lead to misconceptions for both new wiki users and newbies with the Mario series- they'd understand that the character is just a casual girl who so happens to be a princess, despite her having been created as a stand-in for Peach itself, thus as the princess of her kingdom, which is the setting of the game itself. The Mario fandom is already chock full of misconceptions (terminally online fans like me know), and the thought of Daisy as being this casual tomboy who is probably not even a princess is already widespread. Changing only Daisy's title and not Peach's despite the two having been created for the same purpose would only bring these misconceptions further. If anything, I would only be in favor of moving "Princess Daisy" to "Daisy" if "Princess Peach" is also moved to "Peach".Wallowigi (talk) No need to list every single trait that makes Daisy royalty, we know she is royalty. The proposal isn't about discounting Daisy's overall status as a princess, it's about dropping the "Princess" qualifier in the title of her article. "Princess Daisy" may be an official title, as the proposal points out, but the short version "Daisy" is used infinitely more across the franchise, even as far back as her debut appearance. Professor E. Gadd's page isn't called "Professor Elvin Gadd" for a very similar reason: his full name may be Elvin Gadd, but the shortened form sees much more use. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 17:46, July 7, 2024 (EDT) The problem is that I don't think how changing the title of the article just for the number of occurrences of "Daisy" compared to "Princess Daisy" is a benefit for the wiki and/or the fandom in any way. Just re-read what I've said about her outfit. I've been a bit on the long side with words, but basically what I meant to say is "she’s Princess Daisy who occasionally wears sports clothes and is called just Daisy, not the contrary despite the effective number of occurrences of her titled name (and dress) are actually less". Calling the article "Daisy", or swapping her picture from her dress to her sports outfit just because of the number of appearances, would imply the character's royalty status is just an occasional persona of her. Wallowigi (talk) Her outfit is completely irrelevant to the proposal and what it seeks to accomplish. You're the first one to bring up her physical appearance. "Calling the article 'Daisy' [...] would imply the character's royalty status is just an occasional persona of her." Then again, we can't tell that Mario is a hero or plumber, that Rosalina is the protector of the cosmos, or that Donkey Kong is the leader of the Kong family from their page titles alone. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 18:15, July 7, 2024 (EDT) I'm a bit confused by your dismissal of how much the name is used, and your earlier allusion to "importance" of appearances being a factor. What's an "important" appearance? And more importantly, how does that matter, considering that none of Daisy's appearances have primarily called her "Princess Daisy"? Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 19:02, July 7, 2024 (EDT) @Koopa con Carne the outfit thing is to make a comparison, with the priority to number of appearances and all. If the title of a page should reflect the most used name for a character, why shouldn't the profile picture reflect the most common physical appearance of them? That's why the proposal seems flawed to me. Also I'm pretty sure Peach has been also called just Peach in more games than she has Princess Peach, so I really don't understand why change Daisy and not her as well (or, for the matter, add "King" to Bowser's page title). @Hewer none? :/ Not even Super Mario Land, where she is called "Daisy Princess" (a misnomer, but still “princess Daisy” backwards)? My "dismissal" of the number of appearances of a name, I've pointed out that just above with the case of Peach. Wallowigi (talk) She isn't called "Daisy Princess" or "Princess Daisy" in SML, she's just called "Daisy". What you're referring to is the game's manual, which is a tier lower than the game itself according to the source priority policy. "If the title of a page should reflect the most used name for a character, why shouldn't the profile picture reflect the most common physical appearance of them?" Because the infobox picture and the article's title are two completely distinct aspects of this character and one of them had never once been mentioned in the proposal or the ensuing 30-comment discussion until you did. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 19:24, July 7, 2024 (EDT) The game manual is still an acceptable source, as it has not been made by Prima. It's official Nintendo material. Also, given the canonicity policy, the name "Princess Daisy" is just as canon as Daisy is. It is not obsolete (see "Toadstool" for Peach, which has never been in use since the latter's confirmation), nor it has ever been retconned (heck, they still refer to her as Princess Daisy and mention Sarasaland when it could have been retconned a long time ago). In regards of the infobox, I don't see what is so different when the policies for the title to give an article and for the picture to be put in it are pretty much the same ([element] that is used the most/being judged the most representative of a character). Plus, do you really have to be so heated over a comment I haven't even made, but answered? AND reply to the point I've given in response to Hewer? We're not having a fight or a trial here. There's no "wrong" and "right", and you should expect opposition. After all, if you really put it in teams (which is petty and childish if you ask me), we're 13 to 13, so this proposal might even fail. Don't hold your hopes that much high for something that is not even that serious. Wallowigi (talk) "Canon" isn't in question here. As the proposal acknowledges, Princess Daisy is her full title. This is about the naming policy, which recommends using the most common in-game English name for a subject, and in this case that's "Daisy". jan Misali (talk · contributions) 19:55, July 7, 2024 (EDT) If you're sure you're trying to adhere to a policy that reportedly states what you've said, why make a proposal, then? :/ If you've made a proposal, you should expect at least some disagreement, as I've said before. I'm also not the only lone contrarian to disagree with your proposal, as there are other 12 people who have their own reasons to (as I've said, we're not "teams", nor do I consider them my "allies" since it’s not war), but they still are a considerable number of people. You could have just changed the article name to have your "victory" (at least before somebody would have probably reverted it back).Wallowigi (talk) What point are you trying to make? Who are you replying to with the "we're not teams" thing? Nobody before you framed it in that way. I'm not trying to win an argument; I'm trying to correct what appear to be misunderstandings of what this proposal is suggesting and the reasons it has for suggesting it. Part of the responsibility of making a proposal is to clear up things like that when they happen. jan Misali (talk · contributions) 20:27, July 7, 2024 (EDT) No one except you ever said that they expected no opposition, that you are a "lone contrarian", that we're "teams" in a "war", or that we're trying to achieve "victory". You appear to have made up all that pretence for the sake of your strawman argument. (Also, in response to what you said earlier, people can respond to each other's points in a conversation without implying a division of "teams" or a "wrong and right", I'm not really sure what you're trying to get at here.) Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 05:31, July 8, 2024 (EDT) I'm not heated at all. Methinks you're doing a wee bit of projection lol -- KOOPA CON CARNE 02:29, July 8, 2024 (EDT) @SmokedChili I don't think that's completely fair. Using the Koopalings as an example, another Mario character named Roy has an article, but Roy still redirects to the Koopaling. Even if another Daisy is introduced, it is very unlikely that Princess Daisy would stop being the primary "Daisy" people associate with the greater Super Mario franchise, for the same reason the several pieces of media called Super Mario Bros. don't mean we have to move Super Mario Bros. to "Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo Entertainment System)". jan Misali (talk · contributions) 09:04, July 8, 2024 (EDT) That SMB example requires an identifier courtesy of us, try more like Super Mario RPG. With Roy redirecting to Roy Koopa and Daisy to Princess Daisy, I see no problem with an exception for shortened name used as a shortcut for a full name. And now that I checked, we're actually late on another "Daisy" article. SmokedChili (talk) 18:10, July 8, 2024 (EDT) I don't think I understand this response. The point of the SMB example is that, like Daisy, it doesn't require an identifier, not that it does. And what makes the shortened names acceptable as redirects but not article titles? And are you really suggesting the big daisies in Smash that show up for a few seconds at a time and aren't even notable enough for their own page could have any chance at taking priority over the major recurring character (the very character who produces them) for the "Daisy" name? Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 15:08, July 9, 2024 (EDT) @FanOfRosalina2007 This proposal is not about Princess Peach. That would be a separate proposal. jan Misali (talk · contributions) 08:49, July 12, 2024 (EDT) @JanMisali: Okay, I used the wrong wording there. I am completely aware that this is a separate proposal. I didn't express my opinion correctly, but I can't think of any other way to put it. I'll go ahead and remove that statement. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by FanOfRosalina2007 (talk). Other people have used Peach as an argument in this proposal. I don't see anything wrong with your statement. SeanWheeler (talk) 03:01, July 14, 2024 (EDT) If Daisy gets voiced by Deanna Mustard again in Super Mario Party Jamboree, do we change the latest portrayal to Deanna Mustard? Since it’s not a port, it seems like this issue will probably come up. Giselle might have it better listed as a 2023 only portrayal until (maybe) she officially comes back. Like how Kerri Kane did one game and then Laura Faye Smith became Rosalina’s voice actress, but it went right back to Kerri after for Mario Kart Arcade GP DX, Mario Golf: World Tour, and Super Smash Bros. 3DS. 47.223.58.232 07:51, July 29, 2024 (EDT) Has it been confirmed anywhere, though? Wallowigi (talk) Confirmed to changed to new voice actors, including Waluigi. Windy (talk) 12:02, October 16, 2024 (EDT) I have a small piece of missing information for Daisy's article, but her article is protected. Daisy's article features a relationship section. When it's stated that Luigi has a crush on Daisy in Mario Party 4's strategy guide, there is a citation that the page number is missing. I've found that this information is on page 6. I'm not very familiar with wiki stuff or article editing, so I might just be oblivious to a policy of referencing official scans on strategy guides. Toon, Toon (talk) Split Warudeijī from Daisy This talk page proposal has already been settled. Please do not edit this section or its subsections. If you wish to discuss the article, please do so in a new section below the proposal. Split 8-0 Warudeijī is Daisy's evil alter ego after being brainwashed by Wario in the Super Mario Kodansha manga. When she transforms into Warudeijī, her appearance and personality change like when Luigi transforms into Mr. L. I see no reason why this hasn't already been split seeing as there are separate articles for Bowser's alter egos from the Mario Land 2 Kodansha manga like King Tetris and Golf Daiō. Proposer: Pizza Master (talk) Deadline: January 29, 2025, 23:59 GMT Support Pizza Master (talk) Per. Rykitu (talk) Per proposal Camwoodstock (talk) Makes sense to us. Per proposal. MeritC (talk) Per proposal. Killer Moth (talk) Per proposal LinkTheLefty (talk) This one's the most split-worthy since she becomes Wario's right-hand for a while and is more of a driving force in the plot. Power Flotzo (talk) Per all. SComic (talk) Per proposal Oppose Comments Okay, but more characters were corrupted in that storyline. Why stop at Waldaisy when there's also (not the same) Waluigi and (an attempt at) Walpeach? EDIT: Didn't see your other proposal. Still, could "derived names" apply here if you wanted to use the name "Waldaisy" instead, going by Waluigi/Walpeach naming conventions? LinkTheLefty (talk) 11:05, January 17, 2025 (EST) Where is the Warupīchi proposal, anyway? If I remember what I've heard from the Kodansha manga correctly, first Wario corrupts Daisy into Warudeīji, then he and Warudeīji corrupt Peach into Warupīchi, and then Warudeīji seduces Luigi into Waruīji, but it looks like Warupīchi is being skipped. I guess because we don't have an image of Warupīchi on Gallery:Super Mario (Kodansha manga) yet (which talk page the other proposal takes place on), but still. rend (talk) (edits) 11:59, January 17, 2025 (EST) She's a tiny gag because she doesn't have enough badness in her heart to turn evil or something. I think she just flips Waldaisy's dress and runs away giggling like that was the most naughty she can do. LinkTheLefty (talk) 12:04, January 17, 2025 (EST) I see. Still deserves an image at the very least, which I think is easily attainable from the same sources as the Warudeīji and Waruīji panels. EDIT: done. rend (talk) (edits) 12:12, January 17, 2025 (EST) Does Peach actually transform into Warupīchi? I was under the assumption that Warudeīji tries but fails to transform her because of the goodness in her heart.-- Pizza Master 17:39, January 17, 2025 (EST) I mean, Peach's crown and lower portion of her dress do change color to black after Warudeīji corrupts her, and her behavior does seem to have changed a little, and Peach even calls herself Warupīchi. rend (talk) (edits) 17:51, January 17, 2025 (EST) In that case, I'll create a proposal for Warupīchi as well.-- Pizza Master 18:04, January 17, 2025 (EST) If memory serves, the normal Daisy and Peach have a love-rivalry over Mario in the manga, so Waldaisy looks at Walpeach as if thinking, 'why is she annoying me even more than before?' LinkTheLefty (talk) 08:28, January 18, 2025 (EST) I need a lot more information for this proposal before proceeding like this. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 18:42, January 17, 2025 (EST) Changed the proposal reasoning to clarify better who the character is.-- Pizza Master 19:01, January 17, 2025 (EST) Sandbox has been blocked indefinitely from editing the Super Mario Wiki for sockpuppeting. See the block log. Welcome to my talk page, please address me as RapidRocker or RR and not dummmmmmy because that is my old name. User talk:dummmmmmy/archive1 User talk:dummmmmmy/archive2 Remember that when you create user sub-pages (like a talk archive), you have to add a link to them somewhere on your user or talk page. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 11:59, 24 December 2007 (EST) When you want to delete articles or merge them with others, provide reasons. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 12:03, 24 December 2007 (EST) Just a friendly reminder Before you process to merge an article with another one (Like you did with Ax), I think you should first discusss on the concerned article talkpage, not everyone might agree with you and it will avoid the sysops pointless deleting work that could have be easily avoid with a discussion. If another user disagree, but you still think your stance is valid, you can run a Proposal to see what the community point of view is. Blitzwing "Point of view" was only a way of speaking. If you make a proposal about the merge, users will vote on it. If at least 3 users support your proposal and that there is not an equal/superior number of users opposing it, the article will be merged after the proposal pass. If the opposite happen, well, the article won't be merged. Blitzwing, understand? Hello. Knife suited me better, right?Knife (talk) 12:36, 24 December 2007 (EST) Impersonation Thanks for impersonating me on Userpedia today! But CheckUser tells no lies. Wa TC@Y 15:52, 3 January 2008 (EST) Game I'm in your game? Cool. F g Make me. GrodenE T C El Leave me along I got things to do. User:Minimariolover10/imanidiotwhodriesforhismomma Like not ask dumb questions -_-' YA THANKS FOR TELLING ME GrodenE T C El Dummmmmmy, you should've just left me alone when I added you to my enemy's list. Besides, you have a lot others, like I dared to tramp you -_-' User:Crypt raider/sig Warning This is a warning to stop your inappropriate behavior (Flaming other users) on the Super Mario Wiki. Please adhere to the rules or you will be blocked from editing this site. If you feel this warning was undeserved, you may appeal it. XzelionETC [5] XzelionETC You ever heard of making a new e-mail account -_-' GrodenE T C El This is your last warning. The next time you break the rules in any way, you will be blocked from editing the Super Mario Wiki. If you feel this last warning was undeserved, you may appeal it. XzelionETC A warning for Intimidating behaviour/harassment Plus, I'm only 3 years younger -_- User:Crypt raider/sig And my bro's e-mail is sony_sgea_nintendo@yahoo.com you happy? He won't give a rat's hat about be flamed, because they're always in our spam folder. You know, I wasn't being a coward, I don't want to be annoyed. And why do you vandilize random sites? It's not cool. And I have a userbox for you, on my userpage. I think you should add it to your userpage/ GrodenE T C El Name Change Please see the page MarioWiki:Changing username for any business of changing your name. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 15:30, 14 January 2008 (EST) The page User:Dummmmmmy/retiering is currently not linked from your user page. If you don't need it any more, I can delete it. If you're depending on it, you should put a link to it somewhere. "Secret" subpages are not allowed. Your User:Dummmmmmy/sig, User:Dummmmmmy/welcome and User:Dummmmmmy/humorteamsignup should also be linked. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 05:35, 26 January 2008 (EST) Hey I'm...I'm sorry I hated you so much. I didn't know you had autism. My brother has it. But I think it's a different kind. So I just wanted to apoligize. GrodenE T C El That's what my bro has! GrodenE T C El is being st00pid right now Can you please chill out? I don't hate you. HyperToad you have asperger's syndrome? cool! me too Bigger sid 11:20, 23 February 2008 (EST) its true. you would enjot [6] because its an asperger's community.--RapidRocker Brawl FC:4296-2708-0195 17:58, 1 April 2008 (EDT) hi hey isn't your user account InuYashaZero --User:Hemu/sig Moved Talk Archives I moved your talk archives because you were Dummmmmmy, and then now you're RapidRocker. MEGAMUSHROOM82 DUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMY This user has been blocked for over four years... Master R.O.B. (First topic) "However if a baby Waluigi doesnt appear soon, it will be clear cut proof that Waluigi is indeed Foreman Spike." And this is logical . . . how? Sure, they have the same nose, but, one look and you can tell they're not the same. Waluigi's a skinny, tall guy. Foreman Spike is this fat slob. Waluigi Freak 99 17:40, 28 August 2006 (EDT) This is true.HK-47w4z h3R3 at 17:47, 28 August 2006 (EDT) I think it should be noted that Foreman Spike resembles Wario more than he does resemble Waluigi. --Triforce of PowerFile:Mlsswario.PNGIt's-a-Wii,Wario! 16:20, 5 January 2008 (EST) well waluigi has many references to foreman spike like Mario kart ds when he has a truck that looks like his and ddr Mario mix his theme is from wrecking crew-rickmaster Collaboration (10/28 to 11/11) Talk about anything with other users working on the collaboration here. :) Wa TC@Y 23:15, 28 October 2006 (EDT) Quote We should cite where the quote came from, right by the speaker's name (just like in the Bowser article). -- Son of Suns Wario World's inside handbook, You guys know how he talks in his guides WarioLoaf (talk) Images No offense, but I think there are a bit too many images than the article needs here. -- Sir Grodus That's the gallery. I can clean the article images, though. WarioLoaf (talk) Daisy has too much images as well. I say all of the Big Eight character shoulds get a giant gallery. Paper Jorge I'll work on that WarioLoaf (talk) I'm not sure if a gallery of images is legal. Images are supposed to be used to enhance the information in the article, to provide a visual representation to help our understanding. There must be commentary. I believe a bunch of images in a gallery is a violation of copyright law. -- Son of Suns Untrue, my uncle's an atterny. He knows the inns and outs of Copyrights. This Wiki is based off of hundreds of Copy righted characters (Mario, Wario , Luigi, Boo, ect). The Gallerey represents the various looks of the Purple Plumber for the last decade or so. It's nothing illegal. WarioLoaf (talk) For once, SoS, I think you're in the wrong here. Galleries give readers even more insight on, in this case, Wario's appearances and roles in the different variety of games he's included in. A gallery like this should be done for all of the Big Eight. Wa TC@Y 22:21, 8 December 2006 (EST) I agree with Warioloaf and Wayoshi. You are wrong SoS. O_o First time you're wrong right? Paper Jorge To tell everyone, yes all the big eight is GONNA GET A GALLERY. just I've been real busy with the Piantas, Mario sunshine, and Mario Kart stuff WarioLoaf (talk) I'm justing getting my info from the wiki's character image policy: This image is an illustration of a character in a video game, comic book, or animated television program or film. The copyright for it is most likely owned by either the publisher/producer and/or artist(s) producing the work in question. It is believed that the use of low-resolution images of character artwork for commentary on the character in question qualifies as fair use under United States copyright law. See Wikipedia:Fair use for more information. If we can legitimately argue that the image is being used for commentary on the character, then we can keep the gallery. However, does a gallery provide commentary? -- Son of Suns It comments on how the character is presented in other games and in which games the character appears in. Wa TC@Y 17:23, 10 December 2006 (EST) Same here, dude. It practicly shows Wario's carreir turn-about. From Hard hat and long sleeves to Bowler cap and short sleeves. let it go. WarioLoaf (talk) Okay. Cool. Just wanted to make sure everyone was aware of the copyright policy and that the community feels we are obeying that policy. -- Son of Suns Well, it was a responsible thing you brought it up :) WarioLoaf (talk) You keep saying that I am a great member in this community, but you never credit yourself. This was a good argument to bring up. ^_^ Wa TC@Y 18:04, 10 December 2006 (EST) The last time I looked at the article, there was an image of Baby Wario on Light Blue Yoshi; now it's gone. Super Griffin (talk) 08:43, 16 February 2017 (EST) Trophy Info I've copied down the information from Wario's trophy in SSB:M. Where should I put it? Usually, I'd just put it where ever I felt like, but since this is a Big Eight article, I thought I'd ask first. Wanderingshadow 12:02, 19 December 2006 (EST) You need to create a new section in Games for the SSB series. Then, put it. It's a good thing that you asked this time. Wa TC@Y 15:04, 19 December 2006 (EST) Plus, no matter if it's a Big Eight Article, put the info down and we can work to fit it in with the pattern of images and such WarioLoaf (talk) Vote for quote As the title says, this is a vote to decide the main quote. --KPH2293 16:34, 1 February 2007 (EST) Option 1 “It's-a Wii! Wario!” —Wario, WarioWare: Smooth Moves Option 2 “So admit it..... Don't I look cool in the game screens? Those long, muscular legs on my sturdy toned frame.... I'm the perfect specimen of a man..... What!?!? You say I look fat and my quadruple chin looks like a waterfall of flab? Shut up! That's just because you have your television set up on widescreen display!” —Wario, Wario World Option 1 It worked for mario. - Hyper Mushroom That's a classic quote from SM64, however. Wario copying it in Smooth Moves doesn't seem right. Wa TC@Y 17:10, 2 February 2007 (EST) Option 2 Quote 2 tells more about Wario's character from the gecko than Quote 1. Wa TC@Y 15:02, 1 February 2007 (EST) Per Wayoshi. --KPH2293 16:33, 1 February 2007 (EST) Same as above. YoshiFan 22:45, 2 February 2007 (EST)YoshiFan This quote I always found funny. lol. pain to write, though. -- WarioLoaf (talk) 00:59, 3 February 2007 (EST) Kinda long but better... User:Knife/sig1 Way funnier and original Plumber, darkgreen I'm all for lenghy quotes. ;D This one's more original, and shows off who Wario is. I prefer it. :) (And, I only just got why Quote #1 was funny. xD It's-a Lii! Luigi hc! See, not original. ;P) ~ Luigi hc I like the second quote better, even it is kind of long... --Triforce of PowerFile:Mlsswario.PNGIt's-a-Wii,Wario! Per Wayoshi.--Smileymiley5001 13:49, 16 May 2011 (EDT) just sounds better. TheWho Loves Dots... Expandment Requirements For it to be a FA Please bring up any other comments on the FA Nomination Page Quality of writing is low. Grammar needs major work. Need to figure out if Wario hired Tatanga to kidnap Daisy. We need to detail Wario’s battles in Super Mario Land 2. Game sections in the biography can be expanded and clarified. What are some of the gameplay mechanics related to Wario, what’s the story, etc. Settings and items need to be clarified: where did Wario go in Wario Land II?; what kind of statue did Wario acquire in Wario Land? The Wario Land 4 section does not even name the Final Boss! There are just too many holes in the biographies. It needs a major rewriting. Wario World section needs to be greatly expanded, as well as WarioWare titles (some are not even named). “You”s need to be removed. Powers and abilities can be expanded. Key Relationships should be expanded (such as Mario and Waluigi) while others (like DK, Bowser, Peach, etc.) should be removed. -- Son of Suns Ditto. It needs a lot of cleanup and has a lot of misspellings... which I corrected here. This isn't good enough to be featured yet. --TheYellowDart—(T/C) 20:13, 7 April 2007 (EDT) And too many images. It sandwiches text, a lot of these images are extraneous, and it's too hard on 56kers. - A Link to the Past 00:53, 10 May 2007 (EDT) May I also add that most of the images lack both a source and an explanation as to why they are necessary? For instance, the Wario Blast one - I see nothing to say why it can be used or why it needs to be used, and even though it obviously came from somewhere, its origin is a mystery. - A Link to the Past 00:56, 10 May 2007 (EDT) They are there to give an image description to readers who are more visual learners. Plumber And they lack source and any good reason why we need those exact images. Oh, wow, the Wario Blast image tells the reader that... um, Wario looks exactly the same as he usually does. Very informative. Excessive image count + no reason for many of the images + no source for the images (which is implied as claiming ownership of the images) = remove many of the images. - A Link to the Past 04:28, 11 May 2007 (EDT) Please bring up any other comments on the FA Nomination Page Vote For Main Image Normal wario.jpg Option 1 Option 2 Option 1 Option 2 XzelionETC KPH2293 Even thought I like option 1 better, this one show Wario greedy nature. Gofer, who think the Mario Party 8 artwork stink. Glitchman (talk · contribs) No voting was really needed, we use the current main artwork as main images anyway. --WarioLoaf (talk) 21:46, 9 June 2007 (EDT) SSBB Pics Does anyone think that we have too many SSBB Pics of Wario on this page? I think we should only have one pic of him in SSBB (Excluding Official Art). Anyone else think so? My Bloody Valentine I would also like to point out my comment at Princess Daisy regarding Notable Screenshots sections. Because not all screenshots are notable. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 04:17, 22 August 2007 (EDT) Mario and Wario, cousins? When I fist joined I read the Wario article. It said that Wario and Mario were cousins, and it was confirmed by NOE. Now I can't see this info anymore. Was it true? Why did it got deleted? Shrooby The Wario fan here wanna know. -sigh- Oh boy. Mario and Wario were cousins in a nintendo power comic. This may have been removed because the comics aren't canon, but Mario barely has an understandable canon, so who knows whats canon or not. Canon should just be shot from a cannon. |:( GreenKoopa - Comments or questions? · Your face is a {{SUBST:pagename}}! Top Quote Why has the top quote been changed to a much shorter one? Before the change, there was a much longer quote, which was even voted for on this talk page. The long one really tells more about Wario's character than the current one. --Grandy02 09:20, 3 June 2008 (EDT) Plumber? Has it ever been explicitly stated that Wario's a plumber? Or are people just assuming he is because he's Mario's "evil twin"-type rival, and dresses like Mario (wearing overalls does not make you a plumber). Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall Wario ever doing anything plumbing-related... - Walkazo 19:59, 22 December 2008 (EST) Not to the best of my knowledge. Perhaps people are thinking of his "appearance" in "Plumbers Academy," where a character slightly resembling him was going to school to be a plumber, but even if that was Wario, that doesn't prove that he IS a plumber. Stumpers! 18:59, 23 December 2008 (EST) Okay, that's what I figured too (dunno why I didn't mention "Plumbers Academy" in my first post, though). Anyway, thanks for your imput! - Walkazo 19:27, 23 December 2008 (EST) Image The image that was shown as MP5 (until I corrected it) is actually from MP4. Could someone please get an image from MP5? Transcript 00:47, 8 February 2009 (EST) quote change The quote has been changed.... Was this decided anyware? I personally think the last one showed more about the character of wario, and this ones way too long. Should I change it back? Luigfreak Mai talk Creator of Wario As much as I admire the work of Gunpei Yokoi, but where was it stated that he created Wario (plus Daisy and Pit)? He was the producer of SML2, but this doesn't mean he created Wario, the Samus character was also not created by Yokoi, even if he produced the original Metroid. --Grandy02 09:13, 2 July 2009 (EDT) I'm not sure if IGN is a reputable source, but according to them, Hiroji Kiyotake designed Wario (Second paragraph, second sentence). --Knife (talk) 16:42, 16 October 2009 (EDT) In most cases IGN is reputable I think. But what you mentioned is already known for sure. In the article on Hiroji Kiyotake, the staff credits of WarioWare, Inc. are cited, which list his name under "Original Wario Design." However, my question is about the creator, who is not necessary also the character's designer. The article says Gunpei Yokoi, but I haven't found a reliable source. If there isn't any, we have to live with the fact that the name of the creator of Wario, Daisy and Pit has just not been confirmed so far. --Grandy02 17:15, 16 October 2009 (EDT) What makes you the creator of Wario, then? --Zelderu Maryoto 21:37, 19 December 2009 (EDT) Basically the person who thought up Wario. The designer, Kiyotake in this case, is not necessarily the creator, as he could also have made a character design based on the more or less detailed instructions of the character's creator, whoever that was. --Grandy02 14:49, 27 January 2010 (EST) Wario Waft In Brawl, is that affected by eating food? Purplebackpack89 18:55, 18 November 2009 (EST) Nope. Hello, I'm Time Turner. Wario and Mona? Wait what? Wario and Mona have a romantic interest? Where's that stated?I know it wasen't stated in WWTouched and WWTwisted, the first warioware game and warioware diy.Count Bonsula I need blood... Mona's Mega Party Game$! profile states "For some reason, she's a little smitten with Wario." And in one of the break scenes of Wario's second stage in the first WarioWare, Inc., Wario dreams of Mona and says "How cute" or something. Well, this is basically all I know about this "romantic interest." --Grandy02 13:22, 30 June 2010 (UTC) Quote to long I think the quote is to long. there must be a shorter one for the top of the page... — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lu-igi board (talk). It may be long, but it fits the character's personality. Also, please sign your comments.Count Bonsula I need blood... New Wario image? In the newest issue of Nintendo Power under an article about famous videogame couples, they had a sidebar with dateless gaming stars with an image of Wario that I have never seen before. The picture was of Wario reclining on his side picking his ear with his finger. The render however seems to be a recent CGI image of Wario more than likely from the recent games due to the quality and model. Does anyone have a large image of it anywhere and if so, do they know which game it was from? I have scoured the internet and my vast Mario library at home looking for some information.--Lord Robotnik 22:50, 20 January 2011 (EST) Could you scan this image and post it here? --Reversinator 13:51, 16 May 2011 (EDT) Wario World Quote In Wario's quote in the game Wario World for the Gamecube I say..he looks fat and his quadruple chin looks like a waterfall of flab! MEGAMUSHROOM82 Super Cute Toad paper mario badge Wario make a very small cameo in Paper mario ttyd. The w-emblem badge allows mario dress up as wario. That is an obious reference to wario. World 6 21:03, 28 September 2012 (EDT) superstar saga, another appearence i'm not sure, because anyone can make an internet page, but... http://sm128c.com/april2005/ It's fake. The sprite here is from Wario Land 4. Shokora (talk · edits) 07:19, 16 March 2013 (EDT) Yup, it's fake. Actually, Wario was about to be a cameo and he even has his own sprite, which further makes the information fake. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 14:20, 17 March 2013 (EDT) The website even says "April Fools Day", so... Ray Trace(T|C) partners in time (cameo) in PIT, Mario and Luigi are brought aboard, where Toadsworth disregards their story, thinking that they were not right in the head. The heroes, both past and present, then witness what has happened to Peach's Castle. It has been turned into Shroob Castle, with a giant Princess Shroob statue in the center. Mario and the others in the Koopa Cruiser.Suddenly, a figure appears above the Koopa Cruiser. It is Princess Shroob, who launches a missile at them, taking down their engine. while this is happening, the upper- screen flashes red, and luigi and baby luigi get, while the screen is red, a yellow cap and a purple shirt, what references to wario. a example for this is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRNjduIAHxg at 8:02 Introduction sentence Was seeing this on the main page and am thinking the first sentence of this article could use some rewriting, though I don't want to mess with it due to the featured status. It seems clumsy with two clauses starting with "and" in a row (mayhap it can be split into two sentences?) and isn't clear on the character's status as an anti-hero (it first implies it as his core role, then contradicts itself in stating that he is only "occasionally an anti-hero" later in the same sentence).--vellidragon (talk) 17:10, 21 July 2013 (EDT) Profiles and Statistics page I'm adding this here because if I add this to the Profiles and Statistics page it won't be seen. For some reason, on that page, nearly everything is italicized; everything except the title and the opening sentence. All of the parts that shouldn't be italicized (headers, character names) are in italics, and even the article, discussion, edit, history, move, watch, and user panel parts are italicized! I'm not sure who to direct this to so I'm just writing this here instead. MarioComix (talk) 01:27, 6 April 2014 (EDT) The Super Mario Bros Super Show I heard something stating that Wario and Waluigi were actually in The episode Plumbers academy. Was it really Wario and Waluigi, or was it just a Wario and Waluigi look alike. I'm not sure if it was them or not can someone confirm ? About Wario Stealing Koopa's Kart in MK64 The article states that Wario is said to have stolen Koopa Troopa's kart in the MK64 instruction manual. But I've been looking through the manual over and over again and I can't see anything about Koopa Troopa or his stolen kart anywhere. So where exactly is this information stated? Did I miss it somehwow? Or is it in a different region's manual? Or maybe it was actually in a players guide? Whatever the case, I think this bit of information should be cited. Buddy Christ (talk) I swear I removed that one before. Anyway, I've checked copies of both the NA and PAL manual and neither of them state such a thing, so I removed it. If that information is added back, it better be sourced. --Glowsquid (talk) 20:52, 18 October 2014 (EDT) Out of curiosity, I went through the history and found that it was added back in January... of 2007. Here's the particular revision, and as far as I can tell, it's always been there. Hello, I'm Time Turner. It is in the Nintendo Power Magazine article that we can see that he stole the kart of a Koopa Troopa, as you can se here https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvBF-CDXMAE30Ae?format=jpg&name=large — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 176.165.136.20 (talk). That quote is WAY too long Yeah, I'm going to change the quote to something a LOT little shorter. No it isn't: First: A quote isn't determined by length, but by how much it represents charecter. Its ok to have long quote, but it has to represent him. It's good. And you can't just change a quote without agreement (TPP) I think.Toadbrigade5 (talk) 21:22, 18 November 2014 (EST) The "Every Copy of SM64 is personalized" rumor. Should we mention the Wario Apparation rumor or not? I understand Wikipedias do not add rumors, but would a mention in the Trivia section count as addable? - Bowser64 (Talk - Sandbox) 19:50, October 30, 2021 (EDT) It's more of a meme than an actual rumor and we don't really talk about that. Ray Trace(T|C) 19:53, October 30, 2021 (EDT) I see. - Bowser64 (Talk - Sandbox) 19:55, October 30, 2021 (EDT) It probably belongs in this article though. Ray Trace(T|C) 19:56, October 30, 2021 (EDT) Errors under certain sections Under Mario Tennis's "Mario Tennis" subheading, Wario is described as having 'long sleeves despite that in his artwork and the game's title screen, he is shown wearing long sleeves' which is incorrect and makes no sense. Wario has short sleeves in-game, but the cover art depicts him with long sleeves, which is what I believe the author was trying to say. Under Super Smash Bros. Ultimate's subheading "Classic Mode", there is a spelling error: 'siganture' instead of the word 'signature'. I can't edit these so I'm posting them here for someone who can. Thanks. K1NGSH0RTIE The corrections have been applied. Thank you! It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 14:31, April 22, 2023 (EDT) Primary image Wario has two main outfits: the "plumber" outfit used in the Super Mario franchise and most Wario Land games, and the "biker" outfit used in the WarioWare and Smash Bros. series. The standard practice for primary images on this wiki is to use official artwork from the most recently-released game that uses the character's main design (without any game-specific outfit or aesthetic differences). However, for Wario in particular, there is a strong argument to be made that the "biker" outfit is one of his main designs. My question is: should Wario's WarioWare design be considered a primary-enough design to allow its use as the main image for the article? Does WarioWare: Get It Together! (2021) count as a more recently-released game than Super Mario Party (2018) with official art that doesn't have any game-specific design details? If not, why not? jan Misali (talk · contributions) 16:03, March 30, 2024 (EDT) The WarioWare design appears to be series specific which we generally don't use for infobox images. It's also why we don't use King Boo's Luigi's Mansion design for his infobox image, even when Luigi's Mansion 3 was his latest appearance. Nightwicked Bowser 16:27, March 30, 2024 (EDT) Well, it's mostly series-specific. It is also used in Smash as his default outfit, and appears in Super Mario Maker and Yoshi's Woolly World as costumes. Regardless, that does make sense. The "plumber" design is used in a wider variety of Mario media, so I suppose it is reasonable to prioritize it for that reason. Thanks for clearing that up! jan Misali (talk · contributions) 16:37, March 30, 2024 (EDT) I would say this could be worthy of something like the Thwomp proposal, because I do think both designs are about equally important to Wario as a character.— Lady Sophie (T|C) 18:45, March 30, 2024 (EDT) I kinda agree with LadySophie. While Wario's overalls design is the most common and notable appearance, his biker appearance is just as noteworthy and important to his character. King Boo's Luigi's Mansion design I could also say is in a similar boat, maybe to a lesser extent, as it's not nearly as frequent as the main design, but even that feels notable enough to King Boo's character portrayal in Luigi's Mansion. Regardless, a proposal concerning such things doesn't sound like a bad idea. Tails777 Talk to me! I would say the plumber one takes priority and the WarioWare outfit, while important, doesn't come close to the visibility of the overalls outfit that it needs to be in the infobox too. Thwomp's case has been generally going back and forth pretty freely; this one is more primary-secondary. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) Easter Egg :D Can we change the words "gluttony" and "gluttonous" to be spelled "glutonny" and "glutonnous" as a little hint towards the best Wario player in smash bros? I think it would be a really niche, neat easter egg for anyone keeping an eye out, and a tribute to the GOAT of ultimate. Dogmccheese (talk) No. The Mario Wiki is meant to be professional, and is not biased. Sparks (talk) 23:21, November 30, 2024 (EST) and now it's long!