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===List of Talk Page Proposals===
==Writing guidelines==
''None at the moment.''
''None at the moment.''


==Writing Guidelines==
==New features==
''None at the moment.''  
===Create articles for Glohm enemies or merge them with their normal counterparts===
{{early notice|November 28}}
I'm currently contributing to ''[[Mario & Luigi: Brothership]]'' content, and I'm currently creating articles for enemies in the game. It has been brought to my attention that [[Glohm]] enemies are basically stronger versions of preexisting enemies, although they have unique characteristics.
 
This proposal aims to determine whether or not Glohm enemies get their own articles. So, there are two choices for when Glohm enemy coverage eventually occurs:
 
1. '''Glohm enemies get their own articles.''' They get their own dedicated pages.


==New features==
2. '''Glohm enemy coverage is limited to the articles for their normal counterparts.''' This means all Glohm related information for them is explained for the normal versions of the enemies.
''None at the moment.''
 
Let's see what happens!
 
'''Proposer''': {{User|Sparks}}<br>
'''Deadline''': December 5, 2024, 23:59 GMT
 
====Create new articles for Glohm enemies====
#{{User|Sparks}} My preferred choice. Sure it could get repetitive and redundant, but it's worth it to document the abilities of these Glohm enemies.
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} We give articles to [[Elite Dry Bones|other stronger]] [[Shy Guy R|RPG enemy]] [[Antasma X|and boss variants]], so why should Brothership be any different?
#{{User|Tails777}} They are stronger variants with different stats to their originals, no different from every example Camwoodstock gave. Per proposal.
#{{User|DryBonesBandit}} Per all.
#{{User|Zootalo}} The Shiny Paper versions of enemies from Paper Jam have their own articles as well; this is no different. Per all.
#{{User|Nightwicked Bowser}} Probably best for overall consistancy with a game like this one.
#{{User|Technetium}} Per all.
#{{User|Cheat-master30}} Given that some of them have specific differences in attack patterns, it seems like they should probably get unique articles.
 
====Include Glohm enemy coverage on their normal counterparts' articles without creating new articles for them====
 
====Comments====
{{@|Zootalo}} The Paper Jam shiny enemies are not split, but the Sticker Star ones are. {{Unsigned|Nightwicked Bowser}}
 
Kinda torn to be honest. I voted yes because some of them have specific differences from their regular counterparts (Glohm Floopfly Rs and Glohm Soreboars always explode once defeated for example), but then we've got the weird situation of trying to figure out what exactly you'd include on a page for the enemies without these things, like the Glohm Palookas (which as far as I know, look and act almost identically to their standard counterparts). --[[User:Cheat-master30|Cheat-master30]] ([[User talk:Cheat-master30|talk]]) 22:30, November 23, 2024 (EST)
:In fairness, this could also be said about many other stronger variants of enemies. The only real difference between a Goomba and Gloomba are the color schemes, in a similar way to how the only difference between a Palooka and a Glohm Palooka is the darker coloration and Glohmy aura. It's kinda just a natural thing for most stronger variants (not all mind you, but most). {{User:Tails777/sig}}
 
===Create a template to crop images on-the-fly without having to tamper with the base file's dimensions===
So {{user|Wildgoosespeeder}} shared this nifty template that TCRF has: [[tcrf:Template:CSS image crop]], which allows images to be displayed in mainspace at a cut-out size from how they are on the image files themselves. This has two utilities: one is shrinking to a relevant entity in group textures such as {{file link|M&SatL2012OG Wii audience.png|this one}}, and the other is to avoid blank space without having to crop the raw graphic parameters - thus allowing best-of-both-worlds for the previous proposal I attempted (and failed), as it satisfies the OCD itch of avoiding bad and/or inconsistent crops on the base files without taking up unnecessary space where the images are actually used. It also removes a lot of unnecessary work actually cropping/uncropping images since you don't have to save them to a machine/web address to upload a new version - you can just put in the parameters you want and go from there.
 
'''Proposer''': {{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}}<br>
'''Deadline''': December 11, 2024, 23:59 GMT
 
====C-S-Yes====
#{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - Goes without saying I think this is a good idea.
#{{user|Super Mario RPG}} Sounds like a reasonable compromise.
#{{User|Jdtendo}} It's better to crop an existing image programmatically than having to upload a cropped version for a specific use case.
 
====No new template====
 
====Comments on CSS image crop====
This appears to be similar to [[Template:Squared icon|a template I have made]] in order to crop images to perfectly squared off icons for uses on pages such as [[Pipe Frame]] (e.g. displaying Mii Racing Suit icons in the same table as other character icons); however, the version you're presenting seems to include more options. I'm not gonna vote yet, but so far I don't see the harm to have this other template too. {{User:Arend/sig}} 06:42, November 27, 2024 (EST)
 
=== Create an article named "MarioWiki:Staff" ===
I'd like there to be an article on the staff. It should say like, the current admins, the current patrollers, the former admins and patrollers, the 'Shroom staff, the former 'Shroom staff, the forum staff and the former forum staff. I's just like to keep in mind who contributes to this wiki. I mean, like, who "officially" contributes, you know? [[User:Weegie baby|Weegie baby]] ([[User talk:Weegie baby|talk]]) 05:44, November 28, 2024 (EST)<br>
'''Proposer''': {{User|Weegie baby}}<br>
'''Deadline''': December 12, 2024, 23:59 GMT
 
====Support====
 
====Oppose====
#{{User|Altendo}} We already have dedicated staff pages for [[MarioWiki:Patrollers|patrollers]], [[MarioWiki:Administrators|administrators]], [[MarioWiki:Bureaucrats|bureaucrats]], and the [[MarioWiki:Proprietor|proprietor]]. No need for this page to be made unless all of these pages are consolidated here.
#{{User|MeritC}} Also agree with Altendo; we already have respective pages for this. Creating this "extra page" in question would be nothing more than a waste of time and server resources/space for this site.
#{{User|Sparks}} Per all. The links to the current staff are found in the recent changes.
#{{User|Technetium}} Per all. As for retired staff members, you can find them by looking at the autopatrolled users page.
#{{User|Hewer}} The idea that only admins "officially contribute" to the wiki is very flawed. The point of admins isn't to boast that they're "better" contributors than other users.
 
====Comments====


==Removals==
==Removals==
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==Changes==
==Changes==
===Create articles for the assist trophy characters===
===Tag images of bind-posing models for reuploading===
With the influx of SSB4 articles coming in, it needs to be decided now more than ever what to do with the [[Assist Trophy]] article. There are a lot of new assist trophies in the newest installment, and that's resulting in more names being added to the ever-growing list. It's gotten to the point where having a list covering all of them simply isn't enough. There are so many avenues of information that could be covered: relevant information on their original seires, their trophy and sticker descriptions, more detailed explanations of their abilities and interactions in fights (especially when some of the new ones basically act as CPU fighters)... These are all things that could easily be done if they were given separate articles. Besides that, there's one thing I'd like to mention.
It's been two years since [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/69#Do not use t-posing models as infobox images|the previous proposal]] had passed. Now let's talk about tagging images of bind-posing models for reuploading. Take [https://www.models-resource.com/resources/big_icons/4/3950.png?updated=1673644745 this image] for example. As you can see, this image is a bind-posing model. Once this proposal passes, we'll be able to tag every bind-posing model with this:


To put it succinctly, we're giving articles to nearly every other character in the Smash series: the Adventure Mode enemies like [[Topi]]s and [[Like Like]]s, the Subspace Emissary enemies like [[Mizzo]]s and [[Floow]]s, the Smash Run enemies like [[Cucco]]s and [[Darknut]]s, and pretty much every boss that isn't "this character +1 height" ([[Duon]], [[Giga Bowser]], [[Yellow Devil]], etc). They range from being mindless with a single attack to requiring strategies to dodge around their attacks. The assist trophies, on the other hand, encompass all of that and have the added bonus of being items. If we're going by wiki standard, that's two reasons in one why they should have articles.
{{tem|image-quality|Bind-posing model; should be replaced with a rendered game model}}


Judging by the archive of proposals, there's always been a... worry, for lack of a decent word, about covering Smash Bros. articles. There have been proposals to [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive_10#Species_from_Adventure_Mode_In_Melee|merge]] and [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive_27#SmashWiki|remove]] and [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive_12#Split_Adventure_Mode_Enemies_.28SSBM.29_and_Subspace_Army_into_individual_articles|split]] and [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive_10#Removal.2FMerging_of_non-Mario_articles|delete]], all with varying results and decisions, but all arriving to the generally same conclusion: we should cover the Smash series, but within reason. With that said, our standards for what is "within reason" change. There are two proposals up there for not having articles for the Adventure Mode and Subspace Emissary enemies (that have passed, mind you), and yet, there have been [[Talk:Subspace_Army#Create_separate_articles_for_Subspace_Army_enemies|recent]] [[Talk:List_of_Adventure_Mode_enemies#Create_separate_articles_for_the_Adventure_Mode_enemies|proposals]] overriding them. What we can accept for articles has changed, and having articles for the assist trophies is definitely something that we could accept.
That way, if a bind-posing model is reuploaded as a rendered game model that serves as a replacement, we'll be able to reuse it as an infobox image.


'''Proposer''': {{User|Time Turner}}<br>
'''Proposer''': {{User|GuntherBayBeee}}<br>
'''Deadline''': October 18, 2014, 23:59 GMT
'''Deadline''': November 29, 2024, 23:59 GMT


====Create the articles====
====Support====
#{{User|Time Turner}} I support my proposal..
#{{User|GuntherBayBeee}} Per proposal
#{{User|Tsunami}} Per proposal. I know we have SmashWiki and stuff, but all those elements appeared at least once in the Mario series: because of this, they need coverage. What about items then? I remember when I linked the page to another wiki to not display a red link, but got changed because there was need of a page. Why items get this nice treatment and Assist Trophies not? Having info about them is good, especially because some of them may have got a strange behavior (I didn't understand Kawashima at all). Also, per policy, thus Walkazo and Yoshi876 in the comments, plus Time Turner.
<s>#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Like I said in the other proposal, T-poses are generally not how characters are supposed to look. If [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/70#Prioritize MESEN/NEStopia palette for NES sprites and screenshots|this]] is any indication, the wiki should favor game accuracy in images.</s>
#{{User|Sonic98}} Per all.
#{{User|Toadbrigade5}} Finally. Yeah. I want this since they appear in mario game, and I don't care how minor they are. Many, like Mother Brain, already recieved mentions in mario series, like samus's qoute from SMRPG and Woster's list of people who think mushroom king is idiot. So this is good idea.
#{{User|Randombob-omb4761}} Per Proposal.
#{{User|The Mario Gamer}} Per proposal.


====Do not create the articles====
====Oppose====
#{{User|Nintendo101}} I think it is great when users replace images of bind-posed (or "t-posed") models with organically rendered ones. It is a practice I personally encourage and welcome. However, I do think there [[:File:PiantissimoUnmasked.png|can be educational and illustrative purposes to bind-posed models]], and I think a blanket rule would put unnecessary pressure on the users of this site to render models when a bind-posed one can be more than serviceable, and may even discourage the cataloging of 3D assets in the future if a user cannot render them. Rendering models is a very time-consuming process, and I think it is healthier to just allow users to replace the bind-posed images we have ''if'' they can. Not require them to. Perfection is the enemy of the good.
#{{User|EvieMaybe}} this seems better handled on a case-by-case basis rather than a full sweep
#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per all.
#{{User|Hewer}} Per all, a hard rule isn't necessary here.
#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Per all.
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} Per all, especially Nintendo101. Given there ''are'' scenarios where bind-posed/T-posed models are actually more illustrative than properly rigged alternatives, we should probably handle these on a case-by-case basis.
#{{User|Mario}} Tag them if they're bad quality, not because they're t-posed.


====Comments====
====Comments====
Then what about Pokémon? They should be treated the same way as the Assist Trophy characters. [[User:Aokage|Aokage]] ([[User talk:Aokage|talk]]) 14:38, 11 October 2014 (EDT)
Wording should be changed to "bind pose" since not all characters are T-posed, especially non-bipeds ([https://www.models-resource.com/resources/big_icons/4/3950.png?updated=1673644745 like Yoshi from Super Smash Bros. Melee or Brawl], Wiggler, Buzzy Beetles, Piranha Plants, and more) and A-pose exists as a default pose too. In addition, models technically aren't "t-posing", they're modeled this way before animations and a rig are applied to them, the wording makes them look like they're animating when they're not. {{User:Ray Trace/sig}} 20:36, November 15, 2024 (EST)
:The Assist Trophies alone are a huge step, after many proposals have tussled about it. We'll start off here and then, depending on how this goes, we can move on to the Pokemon. {{User:Time Turner/sig}}
::I highly dunno: however, I still think they should get the same treatment of everthing else. {{User:Tsunami/sig}}
 
How about special moves? How are we going to deal with the currently spotty coverage of it? {{User:Mario/sig}} 15:17, 11 October 2014 (EDT)
:One major issue about a crossover series that's been argued about for years at a time, please. {{User:Time Turner/sig}}
::This is SmashWiki stuff in my opinion. Unless we don't merge it with MarioWiki (very likely it will never happen) we should have the basic coverage about it and lead to SmashWiki. {{User:Tsunami/sig}}
 
This is something I can't decide on. I won't vote (for now) but I'm curious to see how this ends. {{User:BabyLuigi64/sig}}
 
:::What other NIWA wikis cover doesn't really matter: all our DK info's also being covered by the DK Wiki, but that doesn't mean we should chop it out of our coverage. In fact, according to [[MarioWiki:Coverage#Crossovers|our coverage policy]]:
:::<blockquote>''even series that can stand alone as their own series ('''i.e. SSB''') are considered to be partner series of the Mario games. Therefore, all these crossovers are given full coverage: '''everything appearing in the games gets articles'''.''</blockquote>
:::Bolded for emphasis to show that, technically, the Assist trophies already could (should?) be given pages within the wiki's official coverage scope. We just haven't gotten around to it yet for one reason or another, but now's as good a time as ever to address the issue, and doing it by proposal is the best way to make a solid decision on it given the back-and-forth history we've had with our ''SSB'' content. - {{User|Walkazo}}
::::Again, another subject, but what about something more abstract, like special moves? {{User:Mario/sig}} 18:41, 12 October 2014 (EDT)
:::::What did we do with moves? If we start making moves articles, we should make some for knockback, shield... doing so means we would include '''everything''' in SmashWiki. And SmashWiki's method to explain things is different from ours: SmashWiki '''really looks like a straegy guide''', while MarioWiki '''is againist looking like a guide'''. I find good what we're doing already: give some coverage on the moves and giving the main link to SmashWiki. {{User:Tsunami/sig}}


What would be the point of this? Are we giving any other real information other than who they are and what they do in the game? - {{User:Ninelevendo/sig}} 01:26, 13 October 2014 (EDT)
Does this proposal advocate replacing these ripped models with ones that are posed from a screenshot or posed in a 3d program with ripped animation files? Not all models are ripped with animations, so it's a bit of a task to undertake if you really want models with animations AND a rig (let's not get started in lighting, which is a separate skillset that's demanded from renderers; not many people get the lighting very good, no offense!); a chunk of models tend to not have a rig, much less an animation. Additionally, some t-posed models are great to use when comparing models or viewing models ''as they are''. [[:File:MLNPC.png]] is an example where it's easy to compare the proportions of Mario, PC Luigi, and NPC Luigi. Sure, you can probably put them all in a orthographic lineup in the same keyframe of a shared animation, but due to the arms, legs, spine, and head all straightened out, it's better to illustrate in T-pose imo. {{User:Mario/sig}} 21:00, November 15, 2024 (EST)
:Looks like not making them is breaking policy. This is the point of making them: they appear in Mario media, and we must cover them. Those info are enough. {{User:Tsunami/sig}}
::But what he's saying is that they're very minor. Just saying "Oh, they appear in games that prominently enough feature Mario, so let's make an article" isn't good enough. {{User:BabyLuigi64/sig}}
:::And? Certain enemies in the ''Mario'' series are minor, should we delete them? No, policy states that the ''Super Smash Bros.'' series gets full coverage, which would mean making articles for things relevant to it, like the Assist Trophies. {{User|Yoshi876}}
::::I'm... not exactly sure what part of this you're questioning. I already gave plenty of examples about what could be included in their articles, and they'd follow the standard used for nearly every other Smash-centric character, which I also mentioned. Who they are and what they do is also the kind of information we would include in any other article, regardless of who the character is, so... help me out here, Ninelevendo. {{User:Time Turner/sig}}
:::::@BabyLuigi64 '''Minor?''' Wait, what? They're not minor at all. The only circumstance where something is minor enough to not deserve an article is [[List of Super Mario Sunshine beta elements#Unused Hirokuri enemy|a beta SMS enemy]]: it never appeared anywhere but in a beta. In my opinion, everything that has a relevance higher than never appeared/not-Mario element that only made 1-3 cameos deserves an article: basically, everyone ever appeared prominently enough in a Mario game. Assist Throphies are prominent enough, or I'm totally wrong? {{User:Tsunami/sig}}
::::::What I mean is, these are trophies that you pick up, throw, and then summon some random who-knows-what that attacks for a few seconds, and then vanishes. How isn't it? These also aren't enemies ([[Waluigi|in]] [[zeldawiki:Tingle|many]] [[zeldawiki:Skull Kid|cases]], they're not items (they spawn from). They're minor for Smash Bros. at least to me. {{User:BabyLuigi64/sig}}
:::::::That's the definition of at least half of the wiki's items and special moves (hyperbole, but it's not far off), and no matter how obscure the character itself may be, and most of them are certainly ''not'', and no matter how much of an actual enemy they still are, they are still there, doing things, and because they have a presence and they do things, they deserve articles. Look at the NPCs frolicking around in [[Flipside]] like [[Harold]] or [[Puck]]. These guys do absolutely nothing but act as background, scenery so that the player doesn't think the area looks bare. Yet, they have names, so they have articles. Here, the assist trophies are individually collected and activated, all have varied and practical uses, and all make a difference in the fight. Yet, we don't have articles for them. Even in the grand scheme of Smash Bros., they are certainly not minor, and I could point you to a thousand examples of what is truly minor. {{User:Time Turner/sig}}


==Miscellaneous==
==Miscellaneous==
''None at the moment.''
''None at the moment.''

Latest revision as of 07:37, November 28, 2024

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Proposals can be new features, the removal of previously-added features that have tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action is taken.
  • Voting periods last for two weeks, but can close early or be extended (see below).
  • Any autoconfirmed user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so.
  • All proposals must be approved by a majority of voters, including proposals with more than two options.
  • For past proposals, see the proposal archive and the talk page proposal archive.

A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code {{User|User name}}.

How to

If someone has an idea about improving the wiki or managing its community, but feel that they need community approval before acting upon that idea, they may make a proposal about it. They must have a strong argument supporting their idea and be willing to discuss it in detail with other users, who will then vote on whether or not they think the idea should be implemented. Proposals should include links to all relevant pages and writing guidelines. Proposals must include a link to the draft page. Any pages that would be largely affected by the proposal should be marked with {{proposal notice}}.

Rules

  1. Only autoconfirmed users may create or vote on proposals. Anyone is free to comment on proposals (provided that the page's protection level allows them to edit).
  2. Proposals conclude at the end of the day (23:59) two weeks after voting starts (all times GMT).
    • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, the voting starts immediately and the deadline is two weeks later on Monday, August 15, at 23:59 GMT.
  3. Users may vote for more than one option, but they may not vote for every option available.
  4. Every vote should have a strong, sensible reason accompanying it. Agreeing with a previously mentioned reason given by another user is accepted (including "per" votes), but tangential comments, heavy sarcasm, and other misleading or irrelevant quips are just as invalid as providing no reason at all.
  5. Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. Voters can remove or rewrite their own vote(s) at any time, but the final decision to remove another user's vote lies solely with the wiki staff.
    • Users can also use the comments section to bring up any concerns or mistakes in regards to the proposal itself. In such cases, it's important the proposer addresses any concerns raised as soon as possible. Even if the supporting side might be winning by a wide margin, that should be no reason for such questions to be left unanswered. They may point out any missing details that might have been overlooked by the proposer, so it's a good idea as the proposer to check them frequently to achieve the most accurate outcome possible.
  6. If a user makes a vote and is subsequently blocked for any amount of time, their vote is removed. However, if the block ends before the proposal ends, then the user in question holds the right to re-cast their vote. If a proposer is blocked, their vote is removed and "(blocked)" is added next to their name in the "Proposer:" line of the proposal, which runs until its deadline as normal. If the proposal passes, it falls to the supporters of the idea to enact any changes in a timely manner.
  7. Proposals cannot contradict an already ongoing proposal or overturn the decision of a previous proposal that concluded less than four weeks (28 days) ago.
  8. If one week before a proposal's initial deadline, the first place option is ahead of the second place option by eight or more votes and the first place option has at least 80% approval, then the proposal concludes early. Wiki staff may tag a proposal with "Do not close early" at any time to prevent an early close, if needed.
    • Tag the proposal with {{early notice}} if it is on track for an early close. Use {{proposal check|early=yes}} to perform the check.
  9. Any proposal where none of the options have at least four votes will be extended for another week. If after three extensions, no options have at least four votes, the proposal will be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
  10. If a proposal reaches its deadline and there is a tie for first place, then the proposal is extended for another week.
  11. If a proposal reaches its deadline and the first place option is ahead of the second place option by three or more votes, then the first place option must have over 50% approval to win. If the margin is only one or two votes, then the first place option must have at least 60% approval to win. If the required approval threshold is not met, then the proposal is extended for another week.
    • Use {{proposal check}} to automate this calculation; see the template page for usage instructions and examples.
  12. Proposals can be extended a maximum of three times. If a consensus has not been reached by the fourth deadline, then the proposal fails and cannot be re-proposed until at least four weeks after the last deadline.
  13. All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of an administrator, the proposer can ask for that help.
  14. After a proposal passes, it is added to the appropriate list of "unimplemented proposals" below and is removed once it has been sufficiently implemented.
  15. If the wiki staff deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to cancel it at any time.
  16. Proposals can only be rewritten or canceled by their proposer within the first four days of their creation. However, proposers can request that their proposal be canceled by a staff member at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it. Please note that canceled proposals must also be archived.
  17. Unless there is major disagreement about whether certain content should be included, there should not be proposals about creating, expanding, rewriting, or otherwise fixing up pages. To organize efforts about improving articles on neglected or completely missing subjects, try setting up a collaboration thread on the forums.
  18. Proposals cannot be made about promotions and demotions. Staff changes are discussed internally and handled by the bureaucrats.
  19. No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.
  20. Proposals must have a status quo option (e.g. Oppose, Do nothing) unless the status quo itself violates policy.

Basic proposal and support/oppose format

This is an example of what your proposal must look like, if you want it to be acknowledged. If you are inexperienced or unsure how to set up this format, simply copy the following and paste it into the fitting section. Then replace the [subject] - variables with information to customize your proposal, so it says what you wish. If you insert the information, be sure to replace the whole variable including the squared brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information", not "[This is the inserted information]". Proposals presenting multiple alternative courses of action can have more than two voting options, but what each voting section is supporting must be clearly defined. Such options should also be kept to a minimum, and if something comes up in the comments, the proposal can be amended as necessary.

===[insert a title for your proposal here]===
[describe what issue this proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the wiki handles that issue]

'''Proposer''': {{User|[enter your username here]}}<br>
'''Deadline''': [insert a deadline here, 14 days after the proposal was created, at 23:59 GMT, in the format: "November 28, 2024, 23:59 GMT"]

====Support====
#{{User|[enter your username here]}} [make a statement indicating that you support your proposal]

====Oppose====

====Comments====

Users will now be able to vote on your proposal, until the set deadline is reached. Remember, you are a user as well, so you can vote on your own proposal just like the others.

To support, or oppose, just insert "#{{User|[add your username here]}}" at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on another user's proposal. If you are voting on your own proposal, you can just say "Per my proposal".

Talk page proposals

Proposals concerning a single page or a limited group of pages are held on the most relevant talk page regarding the matter. All of the above proposal rules also apply to talk page proposals. Place {{TPP}} under the section's header, and once the proposal is over, replace the template with {{settled TPP}}. Proposals dealing with a large amount of splits, merges, or deletions across the wiki should still be held on this page.

All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom) using {{TPP discuss}}. Include a brief description of the proposal while also mentioning any pages affected by it, a link to the talk page housing the discussion, and the deadline. If the proposal involves a page that is not yet made, use {{fake link}} to communicate its title in the description. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links.

List of ongoing talk page proposals

  • Determine how to handle the Tattle Log images from Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door (Nintendo Switch) (discuss) Deadline: November 30, 2024, 23:59 GMT
  • Merge False Character and the Fighting Polygon/Wireframe/Alloy/Mii Teams to List of Super Smash Bros. series bosses (discuss) Deadline: December 2, 2024, 23:59 GMT
  • Move Kolorado's father to Richard (discuss) Deadline: December 11, 2024, 23:59 GMT

Unimplemented proposals

Proposals

Break alphabetical order in enemy lists to list enemy variants below their base form, EvieMaybe (ended May 21, 2024)
Standardize sectioning for Super Mario series game articles, Nintendo101 (ended July 3, 2024)
^ NOTE: Not yet integrated for the Super Mario Maker titles, Super Mario Run, and Super Mario Bros. Wonder.
Create new sections for gallery pages to cover "unused/pre-release/prototype/etc." graphics separate from the ones that appear in the finalized games, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 2, 2024)
Add film and television ratings to Template:Ratings, TheUndescribableGhost (ended October 1, 2024)
Use the classic and classic-link templates when discussing classic courses in Mario Kart Tour, YoYo (ended October 2, 2024)
Split articles for the alternate-named reskins from All Night Nippon: Super Mario Bros., Doc von Schmeltwick (ended October 3, 2024)
Clarify coverage of the Super Smash Bros. series, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended October 17, 2024)
Remove all subpage and redirect links from all navigational templates, JanMisali (ended October 31, 2024)
Prioritize MESEN/NEStopia palette for NES sprites and screenshots, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended November 3, 2024)
Stop considering reused voice clips as references (usually), Waluigi Time (ended November 8, 2024)
Allow English names from closed captions, Koopa con Carne (ended November 12, 2024)
^ NOTE: A number of names coming from closed captions are listed here.
Split off the Mario Kart Tour template(s), MightyMario (ended November 24, 2024)

Talk page proposals

Split all the clothing, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 12, 2021)
Split machine parts, Robo-Rabbit, and flag from Super Duel Mode, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 30, 2022)
Make bestiary list pages for the Minion Quest and Bowser Jr.'s Journey modes, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended January 11, 2024)
Allow separate articles for Diddy Kong Pilot (2003)'s subjects, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended August 3, 2024)
Split Banana Peel from Banana, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 18, 2024)
Merge Spiked Thwomp with Thwomp, Blinker (ended November 2, 2024)
Create articles for specified special buildings in Super Mario Run, Salmancer (ended November 15, 2024)
Expand and rename List of characters by game to List of characters by first appearance, Hewer (ended November 20, 2024)
Create articles for "Ashita ni Nattara" and "Banana Tengoku" or list them in List of Donkey Kong Country (television series) songs, Starluxe (ended November 23, 2024)

Writing guidelines

None at the moment.

New features

Create articles for Glohm enemies or merge them with their normal counterparts

Based on the early vote, this proposal may be eligible to close one week early. Please use {{proposal check|early=yes}} on November 28 at 23:59 GMT and close the proposal if applicable.

I'm currently contributing to Mario & Luigi: Brothership content, and I'm currently creating articles for enemies in the game. It has been brought to my attention that Glohm enemies are basically stronger versions of preexisting enemies, although they have unique characteristics.

This proposal aims to determine whether or not Glohm enemies get their own articles. So, there are two choices for when Glohm enemy coverage eventually occurs:

1. Glohm enemies get their own articles. They get their own dedicated pages.

2. Glohm enemy coverage is limited to the articles for their normal counterparts. This means all Glohm related information for them is explained for the normal versions of the enemies.

Let's see what happens!

Proposer: Sparks (talk)
Deadline: December 5, 2024, 23:59 GMT

Create new articles for Glohm enemies

  1. Sparks (talk) My preferred choice. Sure it could get repetitive and redundant, but it's worth it to document the abilities of these Glohm enemies.
  2. Camwoodstock (talk) We give articles to other stronger RPG enemy and boss variants, so why should Brothership be any different?
  3. Tails777 (talk) They are stronger variants with different stats to their originals, no different from every example Camwoodstock gave. Per proposal.
  4. DryBonesBandit (talk) Per all.
  5. Zootalo (talk) The Shiny Paper versions of enemies from Paper Jam have their own articles as well; this is no different. Per all.
  6. Nightwicked Bowser (talk) Probably best for overall consistancy with a game like this one.
  7. Technetium (talk) Per all.
  8. Cheat-master30 (talk) Given that some of them have specific differences in attack patterns, it seems like they should probably get unique articles.

Include Glohm enemy coverage on their normal counterparts' articles without creating new articles for them

Comments

@Zootalo The Paper Jam shiny enemies are not split, but the Sticker Star ones are.
The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nightwicked Bowser (talk).

Kinda torn to be honest. I voted yes because some of them have specific differences from their regular counterparts (Glohm Floopfly Rs and Glohm Soreboars always explode once defeated for example), but then we've got the weird situation of trying to figure out what exactly you'd include on a page for the enemies without these things, like the Glohm Palookas (which as far as I know, look and act almost identically to their standard counterparts). --Cheat-master30 (talk) 22:30, November 23, 2024 (EST)

In fairness, this could also be said about many other stronger variants of enemies. The only real difference between a Goomba and Gloomba are the color schemes, in a similar way to how the only difference between a Palooka and a Glohm Palooka is the darker coloration and Glohmy aura. It's kinda just a natural thing for most stronger variants (not all mind you, but most). Sprite of Yoshi's stock icon from Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Tails777 Talk to me!Sprite of Daisy's stock icon from Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

Create a template to crop images on-the-fly without having to tamper with the base file's dimensions

So Wildgoosespeeder (talk) shared this nifty template that TCRF has: tcrf:Template:CSS image crop, which allows images to be displayed in mainspace at a cut-out size from how they are on the image files themselves. This has two utilities: one is shrinking to a relevant entity in group textures such as this oneMedia:M&SatL2012OG Wii audience.png, and the other is to avoid blank space without having to crop the raw graphic parameters - thus allowing best-of-both-worlds for the previous proposal I attempted (and failed), as it satisfies the OCD itch of avoiding bad and/or inconsistent crops on the base files without taking up unnecessary space where the images are actually used. It also removes a lot of unnecessary work actually cropping/uncropping images since you don't have to save them to a machine/web address to upload a new version - you can just put in the parameters you want and go from there.

Proposer: Doc von Schmeltwick (talk)
Deadline: December 11, 2024, 23:59 GMT

C-S-Yes

  1. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) - Goes without saying I think this is a good idea.
  2. Super Mario RPG (talk) Sounds like a reasonable compromise.
  3. Jdtendo (talk) It's better to crop an existing image programmatically than having to upload a cropped version for a specific use case.

No new template

Comments on CSS image crop

This appears to be similar to a template I have made in order to crop images to perfectly squared off icons for uses on pages such as Pipe Frame (e.g. displaying Mii Racing Suit icons in the same table as other character icons); however, the version you're presenting seems to include more options. I'm not gonna vote yet, but so far I don't see the harm to have this other template too. ArendLogoTransparent.pngrend (talk) (edits) 06:42, November 27, 2024 (EST)

Create an article named "MarioWiki:Staff"

I'd like there to be an article on the staff. It should say like, the current admins, the current patrollers, the former admins and patrollers, the 'Shroom staff, the former 'Shroom staff, the forum staff and the former forum staff. I's just like to keep in mind who contributes to this wiki. I mean, like, who "officially" contributes, you know? Weegie baby (talk) 05:44, November 28, 2024 (EST)
Proposer: Weegie baby (talk)
Deadline: December 12, 2024, 23:59 GMT

Support

Oppose

  1. Altendo (talk) We already have dedicated staff pages for patrollers, administrators, bureaucrats, and the proprietor. No need for this page to be made unless all of these pages are consolidated here.
  2. MeritC (talk) Also agree with Altendo; we already have respective pages for this. Creating this "extra page" in question would be nothing more than a waste of time and server resources/space for this site.
  3. Sparks (talk) Per all. The links to the current staff are found in the recent changes.
  4. Technetium (talk) Per all. As for retired staff members, you can find them by looking at the autopatrolled users page.
  5. Hewer (talk) The idea that only admins "officially contribute" to the wiki is very flawed. The point of admins isn't to boast that they're "better" contributors than other users.

Comments

Removals

None at the moment.

Changes

Tag images of bind-posing models for reuploading

It's been two years since the previous proposal had passed. Now let's talk about tagging images of bind-posing models for reuploading. Take this image for example. As you can see, this image is a bind-posing model. Once this proposal passes, we'll be able to tag every bind-posing model with this:

{{image-quality|Bind-posing model; should be replaced with a rendered game model}}

That way, if a bind-posing model is reuploaded as a rendered game model that serves as a replacement, we'll be able to reuse it as an infobox image.

Proposer: GuntherBayBeee (talk)
Deadline: November 29, 2024, 23:59 GMT

Support

  1. GuntherBayBeee (talk) Per proposal

#ThePowerPlayer (talk) Like I said in the other proposal, T-poses are generally not how characters are supposed to look. If this is any indication, the wiki should favor game accuracy in images.

Oppose

  1. Nintendo101 (talk) I think it is great when users replace images of bind-posed (or "t-posed") models with organically rendered ones. It is a practice I personally encourage and welcome. However, I do think there can be educational and illustrative purposes to bind-posed models, and I think a blanket rule would put unnecessary pressure on the users of this site to render models when a bind-posed one can be more than serviceable, and may even discourage the cataloging of 3D assets in the future if a user cannot render them. Rendering models is a very time-consuming process, and I think it is healthier to just allow users to replace the bind-posed images we have if they can. Not require them to. Perfection is the enemy of the good.
  2. EvieMaybe (talk) this seems better handled on a case-by-case basis rather than a full sweep
  3. Waluigi Time (talk) Per all.
  4. Hewer (talk) Per all, a hard rule isn't necessary here.
  5. ThePowerPlayer (talk) Per all.
  6. Camwoodstock (talk) Per all, especially Nintendo101. Given there are scenarios where bind-posed/T-posed models are actually more illustrative than properly rigged alternatives, we should probably handle these on a case-by-case basis.
  7. Mario (talk) Tag them if they're bad quality, not because they're t-posed.

Comments

Wording should be changed to "bind pose" since not all characters are T-posed, especially non-bipeds (like Yoshi from Super Smash Bros. Melee or Brawl, Wiggler, Buzzy Beetles, Piranha Plants, and more) and A-pose exists as a default pose too. In addition, models technically aren't "t-posing", they're modeled this way before animations and a rig are applied to them, the wording makes them look like they're animating when they're not. BabyLuigiFire.pngRay Trace(T|C) 20:36, November 15, 2024 (EST)

Does this proposal advocate replacing these ripped models with ones that are posed from a screenshot or posed in a 3d program with ripped animation files? Not all models are ripped with animations, so it's a bit of a task to undertake if you really want models with animations AND a rig (let's not get started in lighting, which is a separate skillset that's demanded from renderers; not many people get the lighting very good, no offense!); a chunk of models tend to not have a rig, much less an animation. Additionally, some t-posed models are great to use when comparing models or viewing models as they are. File:MLNPC.png is an example where it's easy to compare the proportions of Mario, PC Luigi, and NPC Luigi. Sure, you can probably put them all in a orthographic lineup in the same keyframe of a shared animation, but due to the arms, legs, spine, and head all straightened out, it's better to illustrate in T-pose imo. Icon showing how many lives Mario has left. From Super Mario 64 DS. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 21:00, November 15, 2024 (EST)

Miscellaneous

None at the moment.

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