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Proposals can be new features, the removal of previously-added features that have tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action is taken.
  • Voting periods last for two weeks, but can close early or be extended (see below).
  • Any autoconfirmed user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so.
  • All proposals must be approved by a majority of voters, including proposals with more than two options.
  • For past proposals, see the proposal archive and the talk page proposal archive.

If you would like to get feedback on an idea before formally proposing it here, you may do so on the proposals talk. For talk page proposals, you can discuss the changes on the talk page itself before creating the TPP there.

How to

If someone has an idea about improving the wiki or managing its community, but feel that they need community approval before acting upon that idea, they may make a proposal about it. They must have a strong argument supporting their idea and be willing to discuss it in detail with other users, who will then vote on whether or not they think the idea should be implemented. Proposals should include links to all relevant pages and writing guidelines. Proposals must include a link to the draft page. Any pages that would be largely affected by the proposal should be marked with {{proposal notice}}.

Rules

  1. Only autoconfirmed users may create or vote on proposals. Anyone is free to comment on proposals (provided that the page's protection level allows them to edit).
  2. Proposals conclude at the end of the day (23:59) two weeks after voting starts (all times GMT).
    • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, the voting starts immediately and the deadline is two weeks later on Monday, August 15, at 23:59 GMT.
  3. Users may vote for more than one option, but they may not vote for every option available.
  4. Every vote should have a strong, sensible reason accompanying it. Agreeing with a previously mentioned reason given by another user is acceptable (including "per" votes), but tangential comments, heavy sarcasm, and other misleading or irrelevant quips are just as invalid as providing no reason at all.
  5. Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. Voters can remove or rewrite their own vote(s) at any time, but the final decision to remove another user's vote lies solely with the wiki staff.
    • Users can also use the comments section to bring up any concerns or mistakes in regards to the proposal itself. In such cases, it's important the proposer addresses any concerns raised as soon as possible. Even if the supporting side might be winning by a wide margin, that should be no reason for such questions to be left unanswered. They may point out any missing details that might have been overlooked by the proposer, so it's a good idea as the proposer to check them frequently to achieve the most accurate outcome possible.
  6. If a user makes a vote and is subsequently blocked for any amount of time, their vote is removed. However, if the block ends before the proposal ends, then the user in question holds the right to re-cast their vote. If a proposer is blocked, their vote is removed and "(blocked)" is added next to their name in the "Proposer:" line of the proposal, which runs until its deadline as normal. If the proposal passes, it falls to the supporters of the idea to enact any changes in a timely manner.
  7. Proposals cannot contradict an already ongoing proposal or overturn the decision of a previous proposal that concluded less than four weeks (28 days) ago.
  8. If one week before a proposal's initial deadline, the first place option is ahead of the second place option by eight or more votes and the first place option has at least 80% approval, then the proposal concludes early. Wiki staff may tag a proposal with "Do not close early" at any time to prevent an early close, if needed.
    • Tag the proposal with {{early notice}} if it is on track for an early close. Use {{proposal check|early=yes}} to perform the check.
  9. Any proposal where none of the options have at least four votes will be extended for another week. If after three extensions, no options have at least four votes, the proposal will be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
  10. If a proposal reaches its deadline and there is a tie for first place, then the proposal is extended for another week.
  11. If a proposal reaches its deadline and the first place option is ahead of the second place option by three or more votes, then the first place option must have over 50% approval to win. If the margin is only one or two votes, then the first place option must have at least 60% approval to win. If the required approval threshold is not met, then the proposal is extended for another week.
    • Use {{proposal check}} to automate this calculation; see the template page for usage instructions and examples.
  12. Proposals can be extended a maximum of three times. If a consensus has not been reached by the fourth deadline, then the proposal fails and cannot be re-proposed until at least four weeks after the last deadline.
  13. All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of an administrator, the proposer can ask for that help.
  14. After a proposal passes, it is added to the appropriate list of "unimplemented proposals" below and is removed once it has been sufficiently implemented.
  15. If the wiki staff deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to cancel it at any time.
  16. Proposals can only be rewritten or canceled by their proposer within the first four days of their creation. However, proposers can request that their proposal be canceled by a staff member at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it. Please note that canceled proposals must also be archived.
  17. Unless there is major disagreement about whether certain content should be included, there should not be proposals about creating, expanding, rewriting, or otherwise fixing up pages. To organize efforts about improving articles on neglected or completely missing subjects, try setting up a collaboration thread on the forums.
  18. Proposals cannot be made about promotions and demotions. Staff changes are discussed internally and handled by the bureaucrats.
  19. No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.
  20. Proposals must have a status quo option (e.g. Oppose, Do nothing) unless the status quo itself violates policy.

Basic proposal formatting

Below is an example of what your proposal must look like. If you are unsure how to set up this format, simply copy the following and paste it into the fitting section. When updating the bracketed variables with actual information, be sure to replace the whole variable including the square brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information" and not "[This is the inserted information]". Proposals presenting multiple alternative courses of action can have more than two voting options, but the objective(s) of each voting option must be clearly defined. Such options should also be kept to a minimum, and if something comes up in the comments, the proposal can be amended as necessary. 

===[insert a title for your proposal here]===
[describe what issue this proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the wiki handles that issue]

'''Proposer''': {{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}}<br>
'''Deadline''': {{subst:#time:F j, Y|+2 weeks}}, 23:59 GMT

====[option title (e.g. Support, Option 1)]: [brief summary of option]====
#{{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}} [make a statement indicating that you support your proposal]

====[option title (e.g. Oppose, Option 2)]: [brief summary of option]====

====Comments ([brief proposal title])====

Autoconfirmed users will now be able to vote on your proposal. Remember that you can vote on your own proposal just like the others.

To vote for an option, just insert #{{User|[your username here]}} at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on another user's proposal. If you are voting on your own proposal, you can simply say "Per proposal".

Talk page proposals

Proposals concerning a single page or a limited group of pages are held on the most relevant talk page regarding the matter. All of the above proposal rules also apply to talk page proposals. Place {{TPP}} under the section's header, and once the proposal is over, replace the template with {{settled TPP}}. Proposals dealing with a large amount of splits, merges, or deletions across the wiki should still be held on this page.

All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom) using {{TPP discuss}}. Include a brief description of the proposal while also mentioning any pages affected by it, a link to the talk page housing the discussion, and the deadline. If the proposal involves a page that is not yet made, use {{fake link}} to communicate its title in the description. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links.

List of ongoing talk page proposals

Unimplemented proposals

Proposals

Break alphabetical order in enemy lists to list enemy variants below their base form, EvieMaybe (ended May 21, 2024)
Standardize sectioning for Super Mario series game articles, Nintendo101 (ended July 3, 2024)
^ NOTE: Not yet integrated for the Super Mario Maker titles, Super Mario Run, and Super Mario Bros. Wonder.
Create new sections for gallery pages to cover "unused/pre-release/prototype/etc." graphics separate from the ones that appear in the finalized games, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 2, 2024)
Add film and television ratings to Template:Ratings, TheUndescribableGhost (ended October 1, 2024)
Use the classic and classic-link templates when discussing classic courses in Mario Kart Tour, YoYo (ended October 2, 2024)
Clarify coverage of the Super Smash Bros. series, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended October 17, 2024)
Remove all subpage and redirect links from all navigational templates, JanMisali (ended October 31, 2024)
Prioritize MESEN/NEStopia palette for NES sprites and screenshots, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended November 3, 2024)
Stop considering reused voice clips as references (usually), Waluigi Time (ended November 8, 2024)
Allow English names from closed captions, Koopa con Carne (ended November 12, 2024)
^ NOTE: A number of names coming from closed captions are listed here.
Split off the Mario Kart Tour template(s), MightyMario (ended November 24, 2024)
Split major RPG appearances of recurring locations, EvieMaybe (ended December 16, 2024)
Stop integrating templates under the names of planets and areas in the Super Mario Galaxy games, Nintendo101 (ended December 25, 2024)

Talk page proposals

Split all the clothing, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 12, 2021)
Split machine parts, Robo-Rabbit, and flag from Super Duel Mode, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 30, 2022)
Make bestiary list pages for the Minion Quest and Bowser Jr.'s Journey modes, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended January 11, 2024)
Allow separate articles for Diddy Kong Pilot (2003)'s subjects, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended August 3, 2024)
Create articles for specified special buildings in Super Mario Run, Salmancer (ended November 15, 2024)
Expand and rename List of characters by game to List of characters by first appearance, Hewer (ended November 20, 2024)
Merge False Character and Fighting Polygon/Wireframe/Alloy/Mii Teams into List of Super Smash Bros. series bosses, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended December 2, 2024)
Make changes to List of Smash Taunt characters, Hewer (ended December 27, 2024)

List of talk page proposals

Template:TPPDiscuss Template:TPPDiscuss Template:TPPDiscuss Template:TPPDiscuss

Unimplemented proposals

# Proposal User Date
1 Create boss level articles for Donkey Kong Country and Donkey Kong Land series
Notes: The DK: King of Swing and DK: Jungle Climber boss levels, while not explicitly covered by this proposal, should receive the same treatment. All Donkey Kong Land boss levels have been created. 		Aokage (talk) January 3, 2015
2 Create a template for the Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door badge drop rates Lord Bowser (talk) August 17, 2016
3 Expand the Behemoth King article Owencrazyboy9 (talk) December 23, 2017
4 Decide how to cover recurring events in the Mario & Sonic series BBQ Turtle (talk) July 17, 2018
5 Allow ports of games with substantial new content to be split from the parent articles Waluigi Time (talk) July 23, 2018
6 Create pages with renditions of recognizable music themes Super Radio (talk) November 16, 2018
7 Create articles on Play Nintendo games Obsessive Mario Fan (talk) June 23, 2019

Writing guidelines

None at the moment.

New features

None at the moment.

Removals

None at the moment.

Changes

Merge all doctor versions of characters into their respective article (excluding Dr. Mario)

Currently, with the recent release of Dr. Mario World as well as recent information planning many more doctor variants of characters, I propose that we merge all doctor alter-egos into their respective articles. As it stands, there's going to be plenty of them, and having separate articles for all variants of each character is excessive and makes it difficult to navigate. It's also not like none of the information they have can't easily be stated in their respective articles under a respective Dr. Mario World header and adding necessary information to their respective stats pages.

Of course, Dr. Mario himself is an exception to this rule, solely because he has appeared as a separate character from Mario in the Super Smash Bros. series (and a weird obscure Kondansha's Mario manga) and considering his veteran status of appearing in multiple games of a series even named after himself, I think it's better off his page remains the way it is.

Articles affected:

  • Dr. Luigi
  • Dr. Bowser
  • Dr. Peach
  • Dr. Toad
  • Dr. Yoshi (red-linked on the Dr. Mario World page)
  • Dr. Toadette (red-linked on the Dr. Mario World page)
  • Dr. Bowser Jr. (red-linked on the Dr. Mario World page)
  • Dr. Wendy (red-linked on the Dr. Mario World page)
  • Dr Ludwig (red-linked on the Dr. Mario World page)
  • Any of the potential planned doctor characters (eg Dr. Baby Luigi)

Proposer: Baby Luigi (talk)
Deadline: July 17, 2019, 23:59 GMT

Support

  1. Baby Luigi (talk) I really just want an excuse to write Dr. Baby Luigi. Yes he's canon now.
  2. Owencrazyboy9 (talk) Per Baby Luigi. No, not this one.
  3. Alex95 (talk) - These aren't separate characters or a new power-up, it's literally the same character in a different outfit. While that and the new abilities could qualify them as a power-up, there's no "Doctor Mushroom" or anything involved here.
  4. Iceblock715 (talk) - I'm almost certain that it's just a costume intended to fit the aesthetic of the series, so full support.
  5. Trig Jegman (talk) oh no they have a different outfit, clearly we must overanalyze the same character by trying to make a new page for it. Yeah...no. As Alex said over there, there is no transformation or change here besides clothing. If we were to switch how we approach costume changes to all other games, think of how truly awful Super Mario Odyssey would be. With the exception of like...Luigi, most of those pages are short enough that an extra paragraph wouldn't hurt.
  6. TheDarkStar (talk) Per Trig Jegman.
  7. LudwigVon (talk) Per all.
  8. HEROMARIO (talk) Per Alex95 and Owencrazyboy9
  9. Obsessive Mario Fan (talk) Per all. Although, I'm wondering if Dr. Luigi should be kept because he was in other games...but that would be the only reason to keep his article.
  10. LinkTheLefty (talk) Per proposal, though if we're going to limit coverage of the doctor personas then I figure we should also add a character identifier to the current "Dr. Mario" article and make either the game or series the main article.
  11. TheFlameChomp (talk) Per all.
  12. Tails777 (talk) The moment I saw the potential for all those other Dr. characters, I immediately thought "are all these articles REALLY going to be necessary?" Heck I even thought of making a proposal myself, but you beat me too it. Either way, I fully support merging all of them into their original characters (and despite his earlier establishment, even Dr. Luigi). I also agree with Dr. Mario as the exception. Basically, you beat me to the punch so per all.
  13. Waluigi Time (talk) Yeah, my immediate thought was that this is going way overboard and only done for consistency with Dr. Mario. If there was more to say about their doctor personas, I'd think twice, but there's barely anything interesting to say about them, even Dr. Luigi.
  14. BBQ Turtle (talk) Per all, I was planning on questioning this myself anyway.
  15. Power Flotzo (talk) Sure, per all.
  16. bwburke94 (talk) Per all.
  17. Swiftie_Luma (talk) Strongly agree. These characters are clearly just the same regular ones with a coat and some sort of doctor license, they are not separate. I would argue that even if we treat Dr. Mario as separate as well due to him being in more stuff and such, he is technically just Mario in the end, just another variant and we know variants of characters can appear in the same capacity during events such as Mario Kart for example. Bottom line aside from Dr. Mario, i think others having their own page would be more confusing, messy and highly pointless.
  18. Doomhiker (talk) Per all.
  19. Mario jc (talk) Per proposal; I started having second thoughts as more doctors were announced (though I should have anticipated this with it having gacha elements and all).
  20. Yoshi the SSM (talk) Per all.
  21. FanOfYoshi (talk) That intrigued me for a while. Proof that they're separate?
  22. EDShoot (talk) Per all.
  23. Bazooka Mario (talk) Dr. Mario is a dirty doctor.
  24. Mister Wu (talk) Especially considering what is stated in the comments - that these doctors literally are just outfit changes, not even forms - and considering how many pages with little content would need to be made, it's just better to add these to the character pages
  25. Memoryman3 (talk) Agreed. Dr. Mario being the only exception because of Smash.
  26. Toadette the Achiever (talk) I would even take it a step further and simply merge all of the non-Smash Dr. Mario info into the Mario article, but this is at least a start.
  27. Niiue (talk) Per all.

Oppose

#HEROMARIO (talk) Well, For one, they are all different charaters, two, they all have different stats.

Comments

@HEROMARIO: No, they're not different characters - the opening scene after Stage 10 literally has Peach and Bowser throw on doctor clothing to help Mario stop the virus outbreak in the Mushroom Kingdom. Secondly, their stats are different? Every single Mario spin-off game has each character go through slightly different statistics each game, so that argument is also not valid at all. – Owencrazyboy9 (talk) 16:26, July 10, 2019 (EDT)

Shouldn't this be a multi-option proposal? Consistent with the Bowser forms proposal, if there is someone interested in merging everyone including Dr. Mario (which i'd prefer it stays). --Ski Yoshi FanOfYoshi A Dr. Freezegood 02:01, July 11, 2019 (EDT)
Merging Dr. Mario would be a mess, and even if it passed the page would have to remain to cover Smash. I doubt anyone would support it. And even if Dr. Mario is just Mario, there's precedent for splitting alter-egos that have enough information to warrant their own article. Besides, just because it's not an option here doesn't mean it can't be brought up as a TPP later. --Waluigi's head icon in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 13:30, July 11, 2019 (EDT)
With the "General information" section I added back on December 29, 2018 (yeah, don't ask me how I remember these dates), Dr. Mario's article would have to remain not just to cover his Smash appearances, but information relating to his design, design evolution, alternate outfits, and evolution of his portrayals. Yeah, I agree with Waluigi Time; if Mr. L and Rookie can stay, then so can D.M. MarioManiac1981 (talk) 21:26, July 14, 2019 (EST(


Add RARS to Template:Ratings

RARS is Russian Age Rating System. There are already Mario games that have been classified by this system. So why not add it to the template? Sorry for my bad English. Update: Looks like we need to add GRAC and GSRR too.

Proposer: Revilime (talk)
Deadline: July 19, 2019, 23:59 GMT

Support

  1. Revilime (talk) Per my proposal.
  2. HEROWALUIGI (talk) Per Revilime
  3. Bazooka Mario (talk) Да, we already cover other age ratings, why not this one?
  4. Delfino4 (talk) Also GRAC (S. Korea) and GSRR (Taiwan) should be added.
  5. Trig Jegman (talk) no reason not to, methinks
  6. Mister Wu (talk) Since we already cover many age ratings, it makes sense to cover this one as well
  7. Niiue (talk) Per all.
  8. TheDarkStar (talk) - Per all.
  9. Toadette the Achiever (talk) Per all, especially Delfino4.

Oppose

Comments

How isn't it distinct from it? --Ski Yoshi FanOfYoshi A Dr. Freezegood 12:12, July 12, 2019 (EDT)

Also, this is going to be very very hard to do, heres a list, don’t get mad if I miss anything or get it out of order, I am doing my best..., no dk on this list:
  • Donkey kong
  • Donkey Kong Jr.
  • Mario Bros.
  • Super Mario Bros.
  • Super Mario Bros. 2: The Lost Levels
  • (Yume Kōjō: Doki Doki Panic) Super Mario Bros. 2
  • Super Mario Bros. 2 USA
  • Super Mario Bros. 3
  • Super Mario Land.
  • Super Mario World
  • Super Mario Kart
  • Super Mario Land 2. 6 Golden Coins
  • Super Mario RPG
  • Super Mario 64
  • Paper Mario
  • Mario Kart 64
  • Mario Party
  • Mario Party 2
  • Mario Party 3
  • Luigi’s Mansion
  • Etc...
  • Do you get the point??? But, I am Joining because we need all ratings. [-]€40 vv@(talk · edits)Hyperluigi.gif 12:21, July 12, 2019 (EDT)

RARS was created in 2012. So, only games released after that have RARS rating, I think.--Luma Reviilime (talk · edits) 12:36, July 12, 2019 (EDT)

Moreover, Nintendo didn't actually localize any games into Russian until the release of the Switch. Also, the specific RARS you refer to doesn't have its own Wikipedia article, so how do you plan to rectify that issue? Toadette icon CTTT.pngFont of Archivist Toadette's signature(T|C) 12:41, July 12, 2019 (EDT)
1. Nintendo started localizing into Russian after 3DS release (SM3DL was first)
2. There's only in Russian language. Also, in Microsoft Store you need to write rating in RARS too [1]. Xbox page - [2] --Luma

Reviilime (talk · edits) 13:01, July 12, 2019 (EDT)

Create a Mario Party 11 redirect

This may sound kind of stupid, but I'm sure that there are people out there who'll automatically assume that Super Mario Party is called Mario Party 11. Super Mario Party is the eleventh Mario Party title to come out on a home console, and thus, when compared to the overall Mario Party series of 25 games, it's the 11th main game, due to the other 14 installments being either handheld or arcade. Harkening to the Mario Kart games, Super Mario Kart-Mario Kart Wii have redirects numbered 1-6. If the first six Mario Kart games warrant numbered redirects, then I really don't see why Super Mario Party cannot be treated in the same manner.

Proposer: MarioManiac1981 (talk)
Deadline: July 20, 2019, 23:59 GMT

Support

  1. MarioManiac1981 (talk) Per proposal.
  2. TheDarkStar (talk) - Per proposal.
  3. Scrooge200 (talk) - Per proposal Scrooge200 (talk) PMCS Mustard Cafe Sign.png 00:14, July 14, 2019 (EDT)
  4. Toadette the Achiever (talk) Per proposal, especially Scrooge200's findings.

Oppose

Comments

Here's the proposal in question in case anyone wants to view it before voting here. Toadette icon CTTT.pngFont of Archivist Toadette's signature(T|C) 00:08, July 14, 2019 (EDT)

Super Mario Party does refer to itself as "the 11th party" in-game. Scrooge200 (talk) PMCS Mustard Cafe Sign.png 00:14, July 14, 2019 (EDT)

Miscellaneous

None at the moment.

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