MarioWiki:Proposals

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Proposals can be new features, the removal of previously-added features that have tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action is taken.
  • Voting periods last for two weeks, but can close early or be extended (see below).
  • Any autoconfirmed user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so.
  • All proposals must be approved by a majority of voters, including proposals with more than two options.
  • For past proposals, see the proposal archive and the talk page proposal archive.

If you would like to get feedback on an idea before formally proposing it here, you may do so on the proposals talk. For talk page proposals, you can discuss the changes on the talk page itself before creating the TPP there.

How to

If someone has an idea about improving the wiki or managing its community, but feel that they need community approval before acting upon that idea, they may make a proposal about it. They must have a strong argument supporting their idea and be willing to discuss it in detail with other users, who will then vote on whether or not they think the idea should be implemented. Proposals should include links to all relevant pages and writing guidelines. Proposals must include a link to the draft page. Any pages that would be largely affected by the proposal should be marked with {{proposal notice}}.

Rules

  1. Only autoconfirmed users may create or vote on proposals. Anyone is free to comment on proposals (provided that the page's protection level allows them to edit).
  2. Proposals conclude at the end of the day (23:59) two weeks after voting starts (all times GMT).
    • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, the voting starts immediately and the deadline is two weeks later on Monday, August 15, at 23:59 GMT.
  3. Users may vote for more than one option, but they may not vote for every option available.
  4. Every vote should have a strong, sensible reason accompanying it. Agreeing with a previously mentioned reason given by another user is acceptable (including "per" votes), but tangential comments, heavy sarcasm, and other misleading or irrelevant quips are just as invalid as providing no reason at all.
  5. Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. Voters can remove or rewrite their own vote(s) at any time, but the final decision to remove another user's vote lies solely with the wiki staff.
    • Users can also use the comments section to bring up any concerns or mistakes in regards to the proposal itself. In such cases, it's important the proposer addresses any concerns raised as soon as possible. Even if the supporting side might be winning by a wide margin, that should be no reason for such questions to be left unanswered. They may point out any missing details that might have been overlooked by the proposer, so it's a good idea as the proposer to check them frequently to achieve the most accurate outcome possible.
  6. If a user makes a vote and is subsequently blocked for any amount of time, their vote is removed. However, if the block ends before the proposal ends, then the user in question holds the right to re-cast their vote. If a proposer is blocked, their vote is removed and "(blocked)" is added next to their name in the "Proposer:" line of the proposal, which runs until its deadline as normal. If the proposal passes, it falls to the supporters of the idea to enact any changes in a timely manner.
  7. Proposals cannot contradict an already ongoing proposal or overturn the decision of a previous proposal that concluded less than four weeks (28 days) ago.
  8. If one week before a proposal's initial deadline, the first place option is ahead of the second place option by eight or more votes and the first place option has at least 80% approval, then the proposal concludes early. Wiki staff may tag a proposal with "Do not close early" at any time to prevent an early close, if needed.
    • Tag the proposal with {{early notice}} if it is on track for an early close. Use {{proposal check|early=yes}} to perform the check.
  9. Any proposal where none of the options have at least four votes will be extended for another week. If after three extensions, no options have at least four votes, the proposal will be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
  10. If a proposal reaches its deadline and there is a tie for first place, then the proposal is extended for another week.
  11. If a proposal reaches its deadline and the first place option is ahead of the second place option by three or more votes, then the first place option must have over 50% approval to win. If the margin is only one or two votes, then the first place option must have at least 60% approval to win. If the required approval threshold is not met, then the proposal is extended for another week.
    • Use {{proposal check}} to automate this calculation; see the template page for usage instructions and examples.
  12. Proposals can be extended a maximum of three times. If a consensus has not been reached by the fourth deadline, then the proposal fails and cannot be re-proposed until at least four weeks after the last deadline.
  13. All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of an administrator, the proposer can ask for that help.
  14. After a proposal passes, it is added to the appropriate list of "unimplemented proposals" below and is removed once it has been sufficiently implemented.
  15. If the wiki staff deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to cancel it at any time.
  16. Proposals can only be rewritten or canceled by their proposer within the first four days of their creation. However, proposers can request that their proposal be canceled by a staff member at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it. Please note that canceled proposals must also be archived.
  17. Unless there is major disagreement about whether certain content should be included, there should not be proposals about creating, expanding, rewriting, or otherwise fixing up pages. To organize efforts about improving articles on neglected or completely missing subjects, try setting up a collaboration thread on the forums.
  18. Proposals cannot be made about promotions and demotions. Staff changes are discussed internally and handled by the bureaucrats.
  19. No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.
  20. Proposals must have a status quo option (e.g. Oppose, Do nothing) unless the status quo itself violates policy.

Basic proposal formatting

Below is an example of what your proposal must look like. If you are unsure how to set up this format, simply copy the following and paste it into the fitting section. When updating the bracketed variables with actual information, be sure to replace the whole variable including the square brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information" and not "[This is the inserted information]". Proposals presenting multiple alternative courses of action can have more than two voting options, but the objective(s) of each voting option must be clearly defined. Such options should also be kept to a minimum, and if something comes up in the comments, the proposal can be amended as necessary. 

===[insert a title for your proposal here]===
[describe what issue this proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the wiki handles that issue]

'''Proposer''': {{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}}<br>
'''Deadline''': {{subst:#time:F j, Y|+2 weeks}}, 23:59 GMT

====[option title (e.g. Support, Option 1)]: [brief summary of option]====
#{{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}} [make a statement indicating that you support your proposal]

====[option title (e.g. Oppose, Option 2)]: [brief summary of option]====

====Comments ([brief proposal title])====

Autoconfirmed users will now be able to vote on your proposal. Remember that you can vote on your own proposal just like the others.

To vote for an option, just insert #{{User|[your username here]}} at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on another user's proposal. If you are voting on your own proposal, you can simply say "Per proposal".

Talk page proposals

Proposals concerning a single page or a limited group of pages are held on the most relevant talk page regarding the matter. All of the above proposal rules also apply to talk page proposals. Place {{TPP}} under the section's header, and once the proposal is over, replace the template with {{settled TPP}}. Proposals dealing with a large amount of splits, merges, or deletions across the wiki should still be held on this page.

All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom) using {{TPP discuss}}. Include a brief description of the proposal while also mentioning any pages affected by it, a link to the talk page housing the discussion, and the deadline. If the proposal involves a page that is not yet made, use {{fake link}} to communicate its title in the description. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links.

List of ongoing talk page proposals

Unimplemented proposals

Proposals

Break alphabetical order in enemy lists to list enemy variants below their base form, EvieMaybe (ended May 21, 2024)
Standardize sectioning for Super Mario series game articles, Nintendo101 (ended July 3, 2024)
^ NOTE: Not yet integrated for the Super Mario Maker titles, Super Mario Run, and Super Mario Bros. Wonder.
Create new sections for gallery pages to cover "unused/pre-release/prototype/etc." graphics separate from the ones that appear in the finalized games, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 2, 2024)
Add film and television ratings to Template:Ratings, TheUndescribableGhost (ended October 1, 2024)
Use the classic and classic link templates when discussing classic courses in Mario Kart Tour, YoYo (ended October 2, 2024)
Clarify coverage of the Super Smash Bros. series, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended October 17, 2024)
Remove all subpage and redirect links from all navigational templates, JanMisali (ended October 31, 2024)
Prioritize MESEN/NEStopia palette for NES sprites and screenshots, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended November 3, 2024)
Stop considering reused voice clips as references (usually), Waluigi Time (ended November 8, 2024)
Allow English names from closed captions, Koopa con Carne (ended November 12, 2024)
^ NOTE: A number of names coming from closed captions are listed here.
Split off the Mario Kart Tour template(s), MightyMario (ended November 24, 2024)
Split major RPG appearances of recurring locations, EvieMaybe (ended December 16, 2024)
Stop integrating templates under the names of planets and areas in the Super Mario Galaxy games, Nintendo101 (ended December 25, 2024)

Talk page proposals

Split all the clothing, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 12, 2021)
Split machine parts, Robo-Rabbit, and flag from Super Duel Mode, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 30, 2022)
Make bestiary list pages for the Minion Quest and Bowser Jr.'s Journey modes, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended January 11, 2024)
Allow separate articles for Diddy Kong Pilot (2003)'s subjects, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended August 3, 2024)
Create articles for specified special buildings in Super Mario Run, Salmancer (ended November 15, 2024)
Expand and rename List of characters by game to List of characters by first appearance, Hewer (ended November 20, 2024)
Merge False Character and Fighting Polygon/Wireframe/Alloy/Mii Teams into List of Super Smash Bros. series bosses, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended December 2, 2024)
Make changes to List of Smash Taunt characters, Hewer (ended December 27, 2024)
Merge Candy Block with Hard Block, Nintendo101 (ended December 31, 2024)
Merge ON/OFF Conveyor Belt with Conveyor Belt, PopitTart (ended January 1, 2025)

List of talk page proposals

  • Make an article for Giant Bowser of Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story (discuss) Deadline: November 3, 2016, 23:59 (GMT)

Writing guidelines

None at the moment.

New features

None at the moment.

Removals

None at the moment.

Changes

Prohibit the use of {{color}}, {{color-link}}, {{color-link-piped}} and {{Color-link-external}} other than for legibility reasons

I just got done de-{{color-link}}ing the various Mario Party series templates (e.g. {{MP1}}), because the character names were picked out in "relevant" colours (e.g., Mario in red). Not only was this inconsistent with basically every other series template, but a lot of the uses were at best borderline illegible, with colours like yellow, gold and limegreen against light yellow. This isn't the only example of colours like those being used across MarioWiki, and it's always random and frequently hard-to-read. Not to mention that picking out a {{color-link}} in red breaks one of the most basic wiki precepts, since "redlinks" are empty/uncreated pages.

So I'm suggesting that it's just stopped. The only valid use of these templates should be where the default text colour would be hard (or impossible) to read against a background - e.g., the SMM3DS link in the footer of {{SMM}} against the dark red, the external links in the right column of List of official Super Mario Maker courses against the SMB sky blue (since it was decided that would be the best colour to put the costume sprites against on Costume Mario) or a couple of the rows in the table on Crystal Stars. No "...while limegreen jumps higher..." stuff any more.

EDIT: This will not apply to Template:Fakelink or Template:Fakelink pages (including non-mainspace talk).

EDIT2: Okay, I think some further clarification is needed - I'm not suggesting removing all coloured text or backgrounds from the wiki as certain users seem to think. What I *am* saying is that links or text should not be coloured using these templates in Skittles-like fashion. It looks unprofessional, removes a degree of Wiki functionality, is frequently near-illegible and could cause further legibility problems if a "dark mode" is ever created (as is occasionally requested), whereupon the legibility problem would flip for those users such that dark colours specified in ordinary text with these templates would be illegible to them. They're a blunt instrument that isn't particularly well-suited to anything except colouring text in tables, navboxes and infoboxes - and in the latter cases, the colours should probably be specified with CSS site-wide rather than template-by-template (in the same way they already are to some extent for navigation templates), and in the former case they should be primarily specified alongside the table background (and if there's no background specified, that's bad for the same reason it's bad in text).

Proposer: Reboot (talk)
Deadline: November 1, 2016 23:59 GMT

Support

  1. Reboot (talk) Per me.

Oppose

  1. 3D Player 2010 (talk) This proposal, as it is worded, will apply to more than just template and mainspace articles, but also to userpages, signatures, and not just arbitrary uses, but also to lists where coloring is used to signify categories of some kind, for example. This proposal is simply way too broad in application by word of suggestion, that I cannot support it.
  2. Yoshi the Space Station Manager (talk) {A Toad says, “Hey! Mario! Hurry! Hurry!” Mario jumps into the castle then says Luigi out loud. Luigi walks into the castle finishing getting ready. A Toad says, “It’s a meeting! Big meeting! You’ve gotta hurry, please! Everyone’s wating, Mario! In the conference hall! …Oh. Luigi came too. Super...."} Bowser's Inside Story with commentary from me. If games do this, why does this wiki don't do this? Makes no sense to me. Oppose.
  3. The RPG Gamer (talk) Per Yoshi the SSM.
  4. Luigi 64DD (talk) Coloring should not be used in navigation templates or sentences like the proposal's example about Luigi jumping. However, it should be used in situations like the two examples Megadardery put below. This proposal is too general for me to support for the reasons in the first two sentences.
  5. SuperYoshi1234 (talk) Per all.

Comments

Regardless of the side implications that this proposal may include, it seems that it is just a shot in the foot. Although I might agree on that some applications of the colors are terrible, others are pleasant, because the characters were depicted with these colors in-game. There is absolutely no need to outright ban them.--

User:MegadarderyUser talk:MegadarderyDashbot signature

18:21, 25 October 2016 (EDT)

And yet, in your "pleasant" example, "Princess Daisy" is only barely legible. I very much doubt a light-orange/yellow on white is in the game. - Reboot (talk) 18:35, 25 October 2016 (EDT)
To be honest, I think the colors on Mario Kart 64#Drivers are fine, because they are used to present information categories that, in my opinion, could not be presented any better than the way it is now. 3D Player 2010 18:31, 25 October 2016 (EDT)
Like the vast majority of examples. With a background colour, or with text. Which wouldn't invoke red/green colourblindness problems. (I have, however, clarified above regarding User & Talk pages, since it wasn't my intent to change anything regarding those). - Reboot (talk) 18:35, 25 October 2016 (EDT)


@Yoshi the Space Station Manager: So, what about the redlink problem? And are you planning to go through the whole wiki and colour every "Mario" red? - Reboot (talk) 18:40, 25 October 2016 (EDT)

No, I am not going to change every instance of Mario to red. The redlink problem you're talking about; MarioWiki:Maintenance has a place to find redlinks. There is also a problem with your plan. I was looking at a userbox colored black. If it didn't have white words, one would have to highlight it to read it. Probably very limited that there is black places (more than just userboxes), but I want you to be aware of this. Red Yoshi in a construction hat walking Yoshi the SSM (talk) 18:49, 25 October 2016 (EDT)
And the vast majority of users will never look at Special:Wantedpages. But they will read articles, and if they see a red link, if they're at all familiar with Wikipedia, MarioWiki, etc they'll realise it's a "dead" link and possibly be tempted to fill it out if they're familiar with the topic. The more links that don't follow the standard colour coding, the less chance that has of happening. It actively harms the wiki. - Reboot (talk) 19:27, 25 October 2016 (EDT)
I find it interesting that you don't like red links, yet you have red links all over the place. A simple fix would be to create a userpage for your red links that you have. Any reason why you haven't created a userpage? Red Yoshi in a construction hat walking Yoshi the SSM (talk) 20:28, 25 October 2016 (EDT)
I don't see the need for one. My userspace isn't in the encyclopaedic portion of MW, and I'd rather not waste the site's bandwidth & CPU with a bunch of userboxes that serve no purpose. - Reboot (talk) 20:31, 25 October 2016 (EDT)
I doesn't have to be very long. Look at Steve's. Red Yoshi in a construction hat walking Yoshi the SSM (talk) 20:34, 25 October 2016 (EDT)
@YTSSM: Reboot clarified above that he didn't intend this proposal to cascade onto userspace pages, so userboxes aren't an issue to be concerned about here. – YoshiKong (talk) 18:54, 25 October 2016 (EDT)
@YoshiKong: I said after that more than just userboxes. Red Yoshi in a construction hat walking Yoshi the SSM (talk) 19:04, 25 October 2016 (EDT)
...do you know what "for legibility reasons" means? If you don't, you should withdraw your vote. - Reboot (talk) 19:27, 25 October 2016 (EDT)
@Reboot: There is another problem which new users will have. New users don't know how to color code yet, so they will be putting down blue links instead of black links. As a matter of fact, I learned how to color code when I wrote my oppose vote. Red Yoshi in a construction hat walking Yoshi the SSM (talk) 19:20, 25 October 2016 (EDT)
And they SHOULD be putting down blue links! That is, as they say, not a bug but a feature. - Reboot (talk) 19:27, 25 October 2016 (EDT)
Let me quote you: "the external links in the right column of List of official Super Mario Maker courses against the SMB sky blue (since it was decided that would be the best colour to put the costume sprites against on Costume Mario)". You intend to make them a different color. That would mean that you want all links to be the same. At least, that is what is implied. The most obvious choice of color would be black since it is the default color of regular text. Red Yoshi in a construction hat walking Yoshi the SSM (talk) 19:33, 25 October 2016 (EDT)
Actually, that relates (1) to external links, since the external link colour is very nearly the same colour as the background there, so the redlink thing doesn't apply and (2) easily falls under "for legibility reasons" in the same way that text on a black background should not be black. - Reboot (talk) 19:59, 25 October 2016 (EDT)

The Mario Party 3 example looks mostly fine to me, and frankly, Princess Daisy was only made a little harder to read. But if there is a color coding that makes it incredibly hard to read, it should be removed. I disapprove of YSSM's idea because, while it may be good for in game text, it's not good for Mario Wiki's encyclopedic appearance. Lastly, I think color coding should be removed from navigation templates and generally from paragraphs in articles, but situations like the MP3 example are fine. --Luigi 64DD.png (talk · edits) 18:58, 25 October 2016 (EDT)

@Luigi 64DD: I did not suggest that we should change the coding one bit. Here for clarification for others too. Red Yoshi in a construction hat walking Yoshi the SSM (talk) 19:04, 25 October 2016 (EDT)
@YSSM I think you misunderstood me. I'm not talking about coding. I'm talking about this: "In Luigi's Mansion, Mario's Cap is one of the five items that Mario lost, and Luigi must bring it to Madame Clairvoya to receive information regarding Mario's whereabouts." That example is from Mario's Cap article. I added colors to it to demonstrate. If that is what you are saying, then I disagree with it. --Luigi 64DD.png (talk · edits) 19:10, 25 October 2016 (EDT)
@Luigi 64DD: Like I said, I don't plan on changing every instance of Mario to red. For starters, that will be ridicules. Secondly, that is not what I suggested (as you can see Mario and Luigi not having color all the time in the passage). Red Yoshi in a construction hat walking Yoshi the SSM (talk) 19:15, 25 October 2016 (EDT)
Then what are you suggesting? Having coloring for quotes that had coloring in the games? --Luigi 64DD.png (talk · edits) 19:18, 25 October 2016 (EDT)
To keep color coding how it is. Not to go around every article and change every color code to black. Direct quotes don't have to be color coded as the text in game. Red Yoshi in a construction hat walking Yoshi the SSM (talk) 19:21, 25 October 2016 (EDT)
There are very few at the moment. Partly because most of them have been killed over time. Hence why stamping it out entirely is an option. - Reboot (talk) 19:27, 25 October 2016 (EDT)
@YSSM Oh...The quote you put is misleading, because coloring is not used in sentences on this wiki. The quote made me think you were suggesting doing that. That's also why Reboot thought you wanted to change every instance of Mario to red before you clarified. --Luigi 64DD.png (talk · edits) 19:31, 25 October 2016 (EDT)

Bottom line is: I can't support this since the implied statements. And now that I started using color coding, I don't think that a hard time reading may be a bad idea. Except in cases where it is impossible. Do that (and not near impossible), and I might accept. Also, don't have any implied statements. Red Yoshi in a construction hat walking Yoshi the SSM (talk) 19:39, 25 October 2016 (EDT) Actually, I don't think it should happen because I like it how some things are colored. I not going to support something that will get rid of it even at a small level. It will lead to many things. Red Yoshi in a construction hat walking Yoshi the SSM (talk) 19:47, 25 October 2016 (EDT)

Concerning EDIT2: Seeing as the examples that I do not think the color should be removed in use the templates, I am not changing my vote.--Luigi 64DD.png (talk · edits) 20:08, 25 October 2016 (EDT)

While I do agree that anyone who ever coded in css yellow text against the white wiki background should be shot, I also believe that parts of this proposal isn't needed and writing a proposal to end the trend of specific cases here and there isn't wieldly, especially when all the formatting you suggested should already be inline with the common rules of color theory and design and it's simply because people who edit this wiki either didn't caught up with color design, were ignorant of it, or just didn't care about it. Your "legibility" reasons, it's incredibly broad and vague. Define what it means. Does it mean a certain degree of readability, or does it mean passing the contrast test? To me, deep gold on yellow isn't that illegible, and it's easily fixable to by using an even deeper orange or a darker yellow, something that is compromisable. I don't think the colors should be used in navtemplates (like entries such as "Mario" and whatever), but I do believe they should be kept on the Mario Party character gallery pages, as well as the color formatting used in the Mario Kart 8 article. I'd also argue for some cases of using red-text: in Mario's case, where red text is most commonly used, of course people would know Mario's page is already created, and while people on mobile suffer from this as they can't hover over the link, if you hover over a dead link, it links to something different than a real link, which is how I even learned red links are dead in the first place.

ie I think this is a complex problem that a proposal itself isn't the best tool for deciding on an entirely black or white basis. I feel like more discussion should have been made before you jumped to making a proposal abolishing this and that color links which have their uses, especially when used to highlight differences between such and such so people can more easily identify what is what. BabyLuigiFire.pngRay Trace(T|C) 21:35, 25 October 2016 (EDT)

I don't support the blanket thrust this proposal has (mainly because it may have unforeseen effects), but I'm for limiting color use a bit. I don't think there's really a need to give those links a different color, but this proposal's provisions can cover aspects not intended (would List of Mario Party 5 minigames be affected?). Anyhow, copying game text detail-by-detail which includes the colors such as in Yoshi the Space Station Manager's example or in areas like Speak Up bonus panels text doesn't translate well at all since they're two very different media. The game needs to highlight such text for purely gameplay reasons, to highlight important information for the player. For an example, check this revision in WiKirby. This text is colored exactly how it appears in game, but this is garish in the wiki and greatly hinders legibility. On the other hand, it might be helpful to color some quotes by, say, Fawful to fully understand the context. Some words he says are either red or green. For example, "You have readiness for red" If these words don't have a random color (such as THIS always being red), then it would make sense to give those words a color. Finally, I don't find color text too harmful on the eyes, though gold-yellow and light gray contrast very poorly with white. While Mario Party and Super Mario 3D World somewhat has some reason for its colors, since those colors are assigned and used, there is little reason we should give color links to characters in Mario Kart games. However, those color links aren't even necessary or even good in the 3D World example I gave because the contrast is very poor and we already have color codes in the form of background color. I think in the end, we'll have to decide a case-by-case rather than impose a blanket removal. In the end, I do support removing some color links and probably just replacing them with something more appropriate like a table with color-coded pastel backgrounds when possible. That means rearranging the character lists in the Mario Party articles (the one Megadardery (talk) provided can be easily changed into a colorful table while we nix the color links or at least adjust them to make them legible in the color table), removing the character-specific color links in the navigation template, removing most color links in flavor text, and keeping the color links that do serve a purpose (such as in List of Mario Party 5 minigames and potentially in Fawful quotes and other quotes that use colors for context reasons) intact. Mario It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 21:44, 25 October 2016 (EDT)

I'd also say that sometimes you need to use color links in the case of tables but again, it's supposed to be part of the "legibility" part of the proposal which is so broadly and vaguely defined that I feel like it was slapped in as a side-note merely to address comments that may bring it up as a legit criticism of this proposal rather than specify what will be done about them. Which all turns around to my case-by-case argument again. BabyLuigiFire.pngRay Trace(T|C) 22:03, 25 October 2016 (EDT)

Miscellaneous

None at the moment.

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