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Proposals can be new features, the removal of previously-added features that have tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action is taken.
  • Voting periods last for two weeks, but can close early or be extended (see below).
  • Any autoconfirmed user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so.
  • All proposals must be approved by a majority of voters, including proposals with more than two options.
  • For past proposals, see the proposal archive and the talk page proposal archive.

If you would like to get feedback on an idea before formally proposing it here, you may do so on the proposals talk. For talk page proposals, you can discuss the changes on the talk page itself before creating the TPP there.

How to

If someone has an idea about improving the wiki or managing its community, but feel that they need community approval before acting upon that idea, they may make a proposal about it. They must have a strong argument supporting their idea and be willing to discuss it in detail with other users, who will then vote on whether or not they think the idea should be implemented. Proposals should include links to all relevant pages and writing guidelines. Proposals must include a link to the draft page. Any pages that would be largely affected by the proposal should be marked with {{proposal notice}}.

Rules

  1. Only autoconfirmed users may create or vote on proposals. Proposals can be created by one user or co-authored by two users.
  2. Anyone is free to comment on proposals (provided that the page's protection level allows them to edit).
  3. Proposals conclude at the end of the day (23:59) two weeks after voting starts (all times GMT).
    • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, the voting starts immediately and the deadline is two weeks later on Monday, August 15, at 23:59 GMT.
  4. Users may vote for more than one option, but they may not vote for every option available.
  5. Every vote should have a strong, sensible reason accompanying it. Agreeing with a previously mentioned reason given by another user is acceptable (including "per" votes), but tangential comments, heavy sarcasm, and other misleading or irrelevant quips are just as invalid as providing no reason at all.
  6. Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. Voters can remove or rewrite their own vote(s) at any time, but the final decision to remove another user's vote lies solely with the wiki staff.
    • Users can also use the comments section to bring up any concerns or mistakes in regards to the proposal itself. In such cases, it's important the proposer addresses any concerns raised as soon as possible. Even if the supporting side might be winning by a wide margin, that should be no reason for such questions to be left unanswered. They may point out any missing details that might have been overlooked by the proposer, so it's a good idea as the proposer to check them frequently to achieve the most accurate outcome possible.
  7. If a user makes a vote and is subsequently blocked for any amount of time, their vote is removed. However, if the block ends before the proposal ends, then the user in question holds the right to re-cast their vote. If a proposer is blocked, their vote is removed and "(blocked)" is added next to their name in the "Proposer:" line of the proposal, which runs until its deadline as normal. If the proposal passes, it falls to the supporters of the idea to enact any changes in a timely manner.
  8. Proposals cannot contradict an already ongoing proposal or overturn the decision of a previous proposal that concluded less than four weeks (28 days) ago.
  9. If one week before a proposal's initial deadline, the first place option is ahead of the second place option by eight or more votes and the first place option has at least 80% approval, then the proposal concludes early. Wiki staff may tag a proposal with "Do not close early" at any time to prevent an early close, if needed.
    • Tag the proposal with {{early notice}} if it is on track for an early close. Use {{proposal check|early=yes}} to perform the check.
  10. Any proposal where none of the options have at least four votes will be extended for another week. If after three extensions, no options have at least four votes, the proposal will be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
  11. If a proposal reaches its deadline and there is a tie for first place, then the proposal is extended for another week.
  12. If a proposal reaches its deadline and the first place option is ahead of the second place option by three or more votes, then the first place option must have over 50% approval to win. If the margin is only one or two votes, then the first place option must have at least 60% approval to win. If the required approval threshold is not met, then the proposal is extended for another week.
    • Use {{proposal check}} to automate this calculation; see the template page for usage instructions and examples.
  13. Proposals can be extended a maximum of three times. If a consensus has not been reached by the fourth deadline, then the proposal fails and cannot be re-proposed until at least four weeks after the last deadline.
  14. All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of an administrator, the proposer can ask for that help.
  15. After a proposal passes, it is added to the appropriate list of "unimplemented proposals" below and is removed once it has been sufficiently implemented.
  16. If the wiki staff deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to cancel it at any time.
  17. Proposals can only be rewritten or canceled by their proposer within the first four days of their creation. However, proposers can request that their proposal be canceled by a staff member at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it. Please note that canceled proposals must also be archived.
  18. Unless there is major disagreement about whether certain content should be included, there should not be proposals about creating, expanding, rewriting, or otherwise fixing up pages. To organize efforts about improving articles on neglected or completely missing subjects, try setting up a collaboration thread on the forums.
  19. Proposals cannot be made about promotions and demotions. Staff changes are discussed internally and handled by the bureaucrats.
  20. No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.
  21. Proposals must have a status quo option (e.g. Oppose, Do nothing) unless the status quo itself violates policy.

Basic proposal formatting

Copy and paste the formatting below to get started; your username and the proposal deadline will automatically be substituted when you save the page. Update the bracketed variables with actual information, and be sure to replace the whole variable including the square brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information" and not "[This is the inserted information]". Proposals presenting multiple alternative courses of action can have more than two voting options, but the objective(s) of each voting option must be clearly defined. Such options should also be kept to a minimum, and if something comes up in the comments, the proposal can be amended as necessary. 

===[insert a title for your proposal here]===
[describe what issue this proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the wiki handles that issue]

'''Proposer''': {{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}}<br>
'''Deadline''': {{subst:#time:F j, Y|+2 weeks}}, 23:59 GMT

====[option title (e.g. Support, Option 1)]: [brief summary of option]====
#{{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}} Per proposal.

====[option title (e.g. Oppose, Option 2)]: [brief summary of option]====

====Comments ([brief proposal title])====

Autoconfirmed users will now be able to vote on your proposal. Remember that you can vote on your own proposal just like the others.

To vote for an option, just insert #{{User|[your username here]}} at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on another user's proposal. If you are voting on your own proposal, you can simply say "Per proposal."

Poll proposal formatting

As an alternative to the basic proposal format, users may choose to create a poll proposal when one larger issue can be broken down into multiple sub-issues that can be resolved independently of each other. In a poll proposal, each option is essentially its own mini-proposal with a deadline and Support/Oppose subheadings. The rules above apply to each option as if it were a its a two-option proposal: users may vote Support or Oppose on any number of options they wish, and individual options may close early or be extended separately from the rest. If an option fails to achieve quorum or reach a consensus after three extensions, then the status quo wins for that option by default. A poll proposal closes after all of its options have been settled, and no action is taken until then. If all options fail, then nothing will be done.

To create a poll proposal, copy and paste the formatting below to get started; your username and the option deadlines will automatically be substituted when you save the page. Update the bracketed variables with actual information, and be sure to replace the whole variable including the square brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information" and not "[This is the inserted information]". 

===[insert a title for your proposal here]===
[describe what issue this proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the wiki handles that issue]

'''Proposer''': {{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}}

====[option title (e.g. Option 1)]: [brief summary of option]====
'''Deadline''': {{subst:#time:F j, Y|+2 weeks}}, 23:59 GMT

;Support
#{{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}} Per proposal.

;Oppose

====[option title (e.g. Option 2)]: [brief summary of option]====
'''Deadline''': {{subst:#time:F j, Y|+2 weeks}}, 23:59 GMT

;Support
#{{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}} Per proposal.

;Oppose

====[option title (e.g. Option 3)]: [brief summary of option]====
'''Deadline''': {{subst:#time:F j, Y|+2 weeks}}, 23:59 GMT

;Support
#{{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}} Per proposal.

;Oppose

====Comments ([brief proposal title])====

A poll proposal is archived after all of its options have settled, and it is listed as one single proposal in the archive. It is considered to have "passed" if one or more options were approved by voters (resulting in a change from the status quo), and it is considered to have "failed" if all options were rejected by voters and no change in the status quo was made.

Talk page proposals

Proposals concerning a single page or a limited group of pages are held on the most relevant talk page regarding the matter. All of the above proposal rules also apply to talk page proposals. Place {{TPP}} under the section's heading, and once the proposal is over, replace the template with {{settled TPP}}. Proposals dealing with a large amount of splits, merges, or deletions across the wiki should still be held on this page.

All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom) using {{ongoing TPP}}. Include a brief description of the proposal while also mentioning any pages affected by it, a link to the talk page housing the discussion, and the deadline. If the proposal involves a page that is not yet made, use {{fake link}} to communicate its title in the description. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links.

List of ongoing talk page proposals

Unimplemented proposals

Proposals

Break alphabetical order in enemy lists to list enemy variants below their base form, EvieMaybe (ended May 21, 2024)
Standardize sectioning for Super Mario series game articles, Nintendo101 (ended July 3, 2024)
^ NOTE: Not yet integrated for the Super Mario Maker titles and Super Mario Run.
Create new sections for gallery pages to cover "unused/pre-release/prototype/etc." graphics separate from the ones that appear in the finalized games, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 2, 2024)
Use the classic and classic link templates when discussing classic courses in Mario Kart Tour, YoYo (ended October 2, 2024)
Split off the Mario Kart Tour template(s), MightyMario (ended November 24, 2024)
Split major RPG appearances of recurring locations, EvieMaybe (ended December 16, 2024)
Split Mario & Luigi badges and remaining accessories, Camwoodstock (ended February 1, 2025)
Merge Chef Torte and Apprentice (Torte), Camwoodstock (ended February 3, 2025)
Merge intro/outro sections, rename Gameplay section to "Overview" for Mario Party minigame articles, ToxBoxity64 (ended March 1, 2025)

Talk page proposals

Split all the clothing, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 12, 2021)
Split machine parts, Robo-Rabbit, and flag from Super Duel Mode, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 30, 2022)
Make bestiary list pages for the Minion Quest and Bowser Jr.'s Journey modes, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended January 11, 2024)
Allow separate articles for Diddy Kong Pilot (2003)'s subjects, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended August 3, 2024)
Create articles for specified special buildings in Super Mario Run, Salmancer (ended November 15, 2024)
Merge False Character and Fighting Polygon/Wireframe/Alloy/Mii Teams into List of Super Smash Bros. series bosses, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended December 2, 2024)
Merge Wiggler Family to Dimble Wood, Camwoodstock (ended January 11, 2025)
Create a catch-all Poltergust article, Blinker (ended January 21, 2025)
Give the Cluck-A-Pop Prizes articles, Camwoodstock (ended January 31, 2025)
Reverse the proposal to trim White Shy Guy, Waluigi Time (ended February 8, 2025)
Split Animal Crossing (game), Kaptain Skurvy (ended February 12, 2025)
Split the modes in the Battles page, Mario (ended February 15, 2025)
Count ongoing serialized comics for latest appearances, Rykitu (ended March 2, 2025)
Split Toad wearing headphones off from Jammin' Toad, PrincessPeachFan (ended March 7, 2025)
Split Super Mario Maker helmets from Buzzy Shell and Spiny Shell (red), PopitTart (ended March 12, 2025)

List of talk page proposals

  • Split into Adult Shine Block and Small Shine Block. (Discuss) Deadline: December 1, 2016, 23:59 GMT

Writing guidelines

None at the moment.

New features

None at the moment.

Removals

None at the moment.

Changes

Clarify the Wiki's policy on APNG images in .png files

The replacement of .gif files with .apng files is not yet viable due to the lack of support on the browsers that have the majority of market share. There is however, a second case which is similar but also importantly different: that of APNG images in .png files. The first frame of this kind of images is shown by all browsers that support PNG images but not APNG images. In fact, as this example shows, the Wiki infrastructure already supports them as well, to the point that the details about the animation are shown next to the image name, and there is even a warning message about the automatically generated thumbnails not being animated. The current image use policies don't forbid them either, the only way to know that they are not recommended is seeing an old proposal.

At this point, I think a final clarification on this special kind of images should be done, and since it is impossible for them to be used for all kinds of animation, I see two possible policies, beside that of not changing anything:

TOLERANCE

The APNG images in .png files should be tolerated in special cases where the first frame is already informative enough, while not being mentioned in the policies in order to avoid suggesting their use; for example, a rescaled (250px of width) version of my example image might seem viable for infoboxes (please note that it won't be actually used as such, it's just an example image!), as the first frame is already informative enough, while the animation is a welcome plus. Note that this scenario does not enforce modifying the current infrastructure to generate animated thumbnails; while this would be a welcome feature, ultimately an user using this kind of images should also take on themselves the burden of uploading and using versions of said images with appropriate width and height on the Wiki, with due notices when this needs to happen and it's not happening.

COMPLETE AVOIDANCE

The current image use policies should be updated to explicitly forbid the use of APNG images in .png files, automated measures to issue warnings on APNG images on .png files might be done as well, but they are not part of this choice, since the Wiki staff should be able to handle the few cases in which these images are uploaded already well.

Proposer: Mister Wu (talk)
Deadline: November 26, 2016, 23:59 GMT

Tolerance

  1. Mister Wu (talk) I still think that, while they cannot fully replace GIF images and they cannot even be suggested as viable format for animated images, the APNG images on .png files can be useful in cases like the one I mentioned.
  2. Yoshi the Space Station Manager (talk) For me, a static picture on my end would be better than a bad looking picture. And when the day comes that Google does support APNGs, APNGs will become more popular. Especially since GIFs are outdated a bit. I support APNGs in PNGs.
  3. Lakituthequick (talk) I've been supportive in the past of APNG's that enhance the visual experience without being required, per that. Also see my comment below.

Complete avoidance

  1. Wildgoosespeeder (talk) See my comments below.

Not changing anything

  1. Wildgoosespeeder (talk) See my comments below.

Comments

Quoting myself from here: "There is no such thing as a .apng file, in the same fashion as there isn't a .agif file. The extension is always .png, animated or not." Be mindful of this.
Bulbapedia is a good example of good use. A lot, if not most sprites are APNG's over there. They don't appear to have any form of policy that I could find on it though, everyone just seems to go with it and tag them with a template. Lakituthequick.png Lakituthequick 15:03, 19 November 2016 (EST)

Should we then create a template that highlights the nature of the APNG? The bold warning below the text may not be immediately apparent. Mario It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 19:26, 19 November 2016 (EST)
A template more or less is a must-have to avoid people replacing them with static images. Here's an example of usage. To illustrate the effect, two animated sprites are used in the template, with the warning not to replace the image if neither sprite moves. Images are also categorised. We should have a similar template to warn users to not upload static images (minus the first frame thing, as that isn't always the case). Lakituthequick.png Lakituthequick 04:04, 20 November 2016 (EST)
On a side note, the bold message is from MediaWiki:File-no-thumb-animation or MediaWiki:File-no-thumb-animation-png. These can be customized to be more prominent or suppressed in favor of a template notice. --A gossip-loving Toad (Talk) 08:53, 20 November 2016 (EST)
Thanks, though those pages are for the Wiki's main language (US English) only and won't affect users with a different display language. Lakituthequick.png Lakituthequick 16:43, 20 November 2016 (EST)

Although the quality is nice and can completely replace GIF, APNG is not a mainstream format nor is it an official format like GIF is. Internet Explorer doesn't support it and Google Chrome requires a plug-in. Also PNG Monstrous doesn't play nice with it because it removes metadata, and I think APNG's frames are metadata to the PNG format. Also what are some programs that could be used to create these APNGs? It would be much better to distinguish APNG with PNG by extension instead of a template. I think that MediaWiki can support the extension, judging by Special:MediaStatistics. MNG is being developed by the same group as PNG so there will be a distinction unlike PNG and APNG, but no MediaWiki support yet. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) (Stats - Contribs) 04:49, 20 November 2016 (EST)

MNG has already been released, but no browser development team wants to support it (Mozilla dropped support in its browsers in 2003); currently it's impossible to upload .apng images on this wiki (I tested this personally); the program you can use to create those APNG images are GIMP (I personally used it to create my example image) and VirtualDub (which I used to create this image); finally you're right, the other frames are in the ancillary chunks, meaning you should not use optimizers that get rid of ancillary chunks in these kinds of images (you should never get rid of ancillary chunks, by the way, as there are also those about gamma (gAMA chunk) and color space (cHRM, iCCP and sRGB), so you should seriously reconsider the use of these kinds of optimizations).--Mister Wu (talk) 06:26, 20 November 2016 (EST)
There is no reason to go about MNG as absolutely no support exists for it whatsoever, which isn't the case with APNG. Secondly, PNG is build around chunks, of which Mister Wu named a few. Some are indeed metadata, no problem (some of which you shouldn't delete, like author and copyright comments), others are used for the right display, gamma and animation chunks being examples. Optimisers just need to support these chucks in order to be viable, either be optimising them or ignoring them. The way PNG is build up makes the metadata-ness of a chunk up to what it does, not it's build.
Another editor to add to Mr. Wu's list is RealWorld Paint, and there are some programs you can feed separate PNG's and frame durations. Lakituthequick.png Lakituthequick 06:42, 20 November 2016 (EST)
This brings up an interesting question about how to optimize APNGs. Just like Photoshop, GIMP doesn't optimize its output if saved in the PNG format. PNG was never designed to be animated because the group thought that it would be dumb to add confusion to the format. Are there any programs that just "stitch together" PNGs to be outputted as APNG (no loading of the image to just be resaved and undo optimizations)? That's the only way I see optimization happen with APNGs. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) (Stats - Contribs)!
I think this is outside the scope of the proposal, but I believe that most outputters will only save the changed region of the image as a frame, i.e. if only a small region changes, only that region is saved. This is according to standard and is good practice anyway. A frame is saved in the exact same format as a normal PNG image (though all frames must use the same format), just named differently. You can choose to replace the entire aforementioned region, or paint over it, the latter being a good thing if the region doesn't change much, but does contain a lot of detail. Enough optimisation opportunities. Lakituthequick.png Lakituthequick 16:43, 20 November 2016 (EST)
THe APNG specification allows to code differences from previous frames using the Alpha channel, indeed, when adding the Alpha Channel in VirtualDub I obtained smaller file sizes in two cases I tested, in the case of my aforementioned example, without Alpha Channel the size is 224 MB, with Alpha Channel the size is 135 MB, so there are indeed many possible ways to optimize the output files; some of which are apparently already in use by current software.--Mister Wu (talk) 17:14, 20 November 2016 (EST)

Here's a different question; do APNGs work in iOS or Android? Also since the whole file is downloaded and nothing gets animated if it isn't supported, this could be really be detrimental to people with slow or metered connections. I'm pretty sure that GIF is massively supported and preferred in these cases. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) (Stats - Contribs) 18:24, 20 November 2016 (EST)

They work in iOS, and are even used and recommended for iMessage. They will likely be supported in Android as soon as Google Chrome supports them (this might happen earlier than expected, as development should start in Q4 of this year according to the Google Chrome staff). Regarding the concern of data use, my example, despite being formed by 7 frames at 786 × 890 resolution at 32 bits per pixel (8 bits per color channel + 8 bits Alpha channel), is still a 686 KB file, while the GIF is a 345 KB file despite being palettized; since there is a 10MB upload limit on the Wiki and due to the nature of the proposal, the APNG images would be used mostly for in-game data, which is easily compressible with the PNG format.--Mister Wu (talk) 19:03, 20 November 2016 (EST)

Redesign the Bestiaries

Following a proposal from January to redesign the RPG infoboxes and bestiaries, I propose a new way to handle bestiaries and RPG infoboxes from now on.

  1. All bestiaries will use templates rather than tables. ( look here ) - This gives a more appealing look, like an ID card, and makes it easier to fill out future bestiaries.
  2. Each template will be based on the respective RPG infobox - Doing this keeps the enemy stats consistent between the bestiary and infobox.
  3. All RPG infoboxes will use transclusion to display stats directly from the bestiary. ( look here ) - This makes distributing the infoboxes to each page easier, and ensures the infoboxes will ALWAYS have the exact same stats as the bestiary.

Now here is the code to display the Super Mario RPG bestiary template: 

<onlyinclude>
{{#ifeq:{{{transcludesection|SMRPGGoomba}}}|SMRPGGoomba|
{{<noinclude>User:Eldritchdraaks/SMRPGbestiary</noinclude>
<includeonly>smrpgenemy</includeonly>
|name=Goomba
|role=common
|image={{{image|[[File:RPGgoomba.png|120px]]}}}
|align={{{align|right}}}
|location=[[Mushroom Way]], [[Bandit's Way]], [[Pipe Vault]]
|hp=16
|atk=3
|matk=1
|def=3
|mdef=1
|speed=13
|moves=Thorn Shot
|items=None
|coins=0
|fp=100
|evade=0%
|mevade=0%
|strong=None
|weak=Fire
|exp=1
|flower=HP Max!
|cookie=Mushroom
|psychopath=Goomba gumba...phew!
}}}}</onlyinclude>

This keeps everything before it from being transcluded.
This is the label for this particular section.
This prevents the bestiary template from being transcluded.
This makes the infobox be transcluded on the target page only.
The name and the label must be the same.
(common, miniboss, boss, support, optional)
This allows the image to be changed separately in the infobox.
This allows controls of the infobox alignment. DON'T CHANGE HERE.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
This keeps everything after it from being transcluded.
Now below is the code used for placing the infobox: 
{{User:Eldritchdraaks/bestiary|transcludesection=SMRPGGoomba
|align=horizontal
}}

This will call on the section labeled on the bestiary.
This will control the alignment of the infobox.
 

Proposer: Eldritchdraaks (talk)
Deadline: November 29, 2016, 23:59 GMT

Support

  1. Eldritchdraaks (talk) per my proposal
  2. PowerKamek (talk) Looks good to me! It looks like a lot of effort was put into it.
  3. Ultimate Mr. L (talk) Per Eldritchdraaks. It would be a lot of work to implement this idea, but a lot easier in the long run.
  4. The RPG Gamer (talk) Per Eldritchdraaks.
  5. Luigi 64DD (talk) Per Eldritchdraaks.
  6. Shokora (talk) – Per proposal, this is very logical.
  7. Niiue (talk) Per all.
  8. Mister Wu (talk) This really seems to simplify the editing work and to avoid inconsistencies between bestiaries and infoboxes, so I support the idea!
  9. LudwigVon (talk) Per all.
  10. Mr Squid (talk) Per all.
  11. Yoshi the Space Station Manager (talk) It is about time I supported. I am not going to wait any longer. I didn't want to discourage other people from going first. Anyways, one of the reason why the Once and only once policy was enforced was because of the need to keep everything updated and editors may not get to all versions. This new proposal will transfer all information and even if it does break the Once and only once policy (which will most likely not happen due to the information needing to be both on the bestiary and the enemy which is part of the bestiary), it will not break the reason why it was enforced because if the bestiary is updated, the other places will automatically update and the editor won't have to worry about the other versions. And sorry if this is quite long, but I needed to say something about it kind of helping out the Once and only once policy.
  12. Count Luigi (talk) Per all.
  13. Bazooka Mario (talk) Have my support.
  14. Quizmelon (talk) Per all.
  15. A gossip-loving Toad (talk) Per all.
  16. Megadardery (talk) Per all, this is a great idea! Each game should have it's own template to transclude from as needed. I have a few further maintenance ideas that I will work on though.
  17. Zootalo (talk) Per all.

Oppose

Comments

Do the color-scheme you use for the templates here will be implement if your proposal passed? Walkazo's RPG infoboxes use the same colour-scheme as navigation templates for consistency, neatness and easy readability and in my opinion those color-scheme are better.--LudwigVon Sig.png(TALK) 12:30, 22 November 2016 (EST)

The colors I used are not set in stone. I used the header color from the tables in each bestiary. The color-scheme will not be the same as the navigation templates, rather they will be different for each game.--EldritchdraaksSig1.pngEldritchdraaksSig2.png 12:45, 22 November 2016 (EST)

It looks like you thought everything through, but do we have to use your name to use the template? That seems a little inconvenient. And I agree with Ultimate Mr. L up there; it would take a while to implement them. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 12:49, 22 November 2016 (EST)

No, you won't, don't worry. That is just temporary. That links to the bestiary page for that game, which right now is my userspace.--EldritchdraaksSig1.pngEldritchdraaksSig2.png 13:00, 22 November 2016 (EST)

This idea is fantastic, the template will indeed ensure that any stat corrections on the bestiary will automatically be corrected on the transcluded articles as well. I do have a question first: do you intend to only apply this to specific character bestiary pages, such as "List of Goomba profiles and statistics"? Or is there the potential to extend this to game bestiaries as well, such as "Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam bestiary"? – Shokora (talk · edits) 18:02, 22 November 2016 (EST)

Everything you just said is exactly what I am proposing. This applies to all.--EldritchdraaksSig1.pngEldritchdraaksSig2.png 18:26, 22 November 2016 (EST)
Great, definitely supporting. I asked because I wasn't positive that it was taken into account with the single example that you gave. – Shokora (talk · edits) 19:25, 22 November 2016 (EST)
I didn't give just a single example. I provided two links above to show the templates in use, and to show the stats transcluded to the infobox.--EldritchdraaksSig1.pngEldritchdraaksSig2.png 19:31, 22 November 2016 (EST)

Having all the data in one place is definitely good yet there remain small tables like Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time § Enemies. Any idea to make them in sync too? --A gossip-loving Toad (Talk) 04:46, 25 November 2016 (EST)

Those would likely be replaced with enemy boxes. --EldritchdraaksSig1.pngEldritchdraaksSig2.png 12:05, 25 November 2016 (EST)
And become a duplication of the bestiary? I'd like there to be another template (in addition to {{User:Eldritchdraaks/PITbestiary}} and {{pitenemy}}) that extracts the HP, EXP, coin and location and put them into the original tables, because they looks so nice, and the misc stats will be too cumbersome when folded into cards. This also makes a sortable version of the bestiary available. --A gossip-loving Toad (Talk) 03:09, 26 November 2016 (EST)
It just seems unnecessary. Actually, it should probably be removed due to the "Once and Only Once policy". Your idea for a second template like the bestiary template doesn't make sense. That template creates a nice display on the bestiary page, it doesn't affect the enemy box at all. I get what you're going for though, but I can't setup another template like you want without breaking the first the system. Still the table there should probably go, even if my proposal doesn't pass.--EldritchdraaksSig1.pngEldritchdraaksSig2.png 03:30, 26 November 2016 (EST)
If we're to remove the tables under Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time#Enemies, what should go there then? --A gossip-loving Toad (Talk) 03:40, 26 November 2016 (EST)
See Paper Mario: Color Splash#Enemies--EldritchdraaksSig1.pngEldritchdraaksSig2.png 04:22, 26 November 2016 (EST)
Worse comes to worse, if some people can't be bothered to look at previous edits of a bestiary's history when as a sortable table -- and believe me, there are folks out there that would still prefer to sort through enemies' stats, and that was my intention when making most of the bestiaries anyway -- then I suppose having an external link to such a version would be alright? --Zootalo (Talk)

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