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#{{User|Chat Man}} Per All, Don von Schmeltwick is a vocabulary whiz, I'm gonna go with him. (You guys too).
#{{User|Chat Man}} Per All, Don von Schmeltwick is a vocabulary whiz, I'm gonna go with him. (You guys too).
#{{User|Baby Luigi}} Although I do agree that "they" does not agree with first person nouns, no matter how "progressive" and people use the "language is changing" argument to assert their still technically grammatically incorrect view, I don't think having a rule against it is a right thing to do nor is it particularly enforceable. I'd encourage writing "the player" into "players" instead (ie changing the awkward use of "they" in "The player must tap their character" to "Players must tap their character" - "The player must press their button" to "The player must press a button") and avoid using personal pronouns as much as possible.
#{{User|Baby Luigi}} Although I do agree that "they" does not agree with first person nouns, no matter how "progressive" and people use the "language is changing" argument to assert their still technically grammatically incorrect view, I don't think having a rule against it is a right thing to do nor is it particularly enforceable. I'd encourage writing "the player" into "players" instead (ie changing the awkward use of "they" in "The player must tap their character" to "Players must tap their character" - "The player must press their button" to "The player must press a button") and avoid using personal pronouns as much as possible.
#{{User|Wariopicross}} Per All; "They/Their" is a much safer and easier way to refer to a character or person you don't know the gender of, and there is precedence for singular "they"; reading "he or she" every time in the place of "they" is just tedious and annoying.


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Proposals can be new features, the removal of previously-added features that have tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action is taken.
  • Voting periods last for two weeks, but can close early or be extended (see below).
  • Any autoconfirmed user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so.
  • All proposals must be approved by a majority of voters, including proposals with more than two options.
  • For past proposals, see the proposal archive and the talk page proposal archive.

If you would like to get feedback on an idea before formally proposing it here, you may do so on the proposals talk. For talk page proposals, you can discuss the changes on the talk page itself before creating the TPP there.

How to

If someone has an idea about improving the wiki or managing its community, but feel that they need community approval before acting upon that idea, they may make a proposal about it. They must have a strong argument supporting their idea and be willing to discuss it in detail with other users, who will then vote on whether or not they think the idea should be implemented. Proposals should include links to all relevant pages and writing guidelines. Proposals must include a link to the draft page. Any pages that would be largely affected by the proposal should be marked with {{proposal notice}}.

Rules

  1. Only autoconfirmed users may create or vote on proposals. Anyone is free to comment on proposals (provided that the page's protection level allows them to edit).
  2. Proposals conclude at the end of the day (23:59) two weeks after voting starts (all times GMT).
    • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, the voting starts immediately and the deadline is two weeks later on Monday, August 15, at 23:59 GMT.
  3. Users may vote for more than one option, but they may not vote for every option available.
  4. Every vote should have a strong, sensible reason accompanying it. Agreeing with a previously mentioned reason given by another user is acceptable (including "per" votes), but tangential comments, heavy sarcasm, and other misleading or irrelevant quips are just as invalid as providing no reason at all.
  5. Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. Voters can remove or rewrite their own vote(s) at any time, but the final decision to remove another user's vote lies solely with the wiki staff.
    • Users can also use the comments section to bring up any concerns or mistakes in regards to the proposal itself. In such cases, it's important the proposer addresses any concerns raised as soon as possible. Even if the supporting side might be winning by a wide margin, that should be no reason for such questions to be left unanswered. They may point out any missing details that might have been overlooked by the proposer, so it's a good idea as the proposer to check them frequently to achieve the most accurate outcome possible.
  6. If a user makes a vote and is subsequently blocked for any amount of time, their vote is removed. However, if the block ends before the proposal ends, then the user in question holds the right to re-cast their vote. If a proposer is blocked, their vote is removed and "(blocked)" is added next to their name in the "Proposer:" line of the proposal, which runs until its deadline as normal. If the proposal passes, it falls to the supporters of the idea to enact any changes in a timely manner.
  7. Proposals cannot contradict an already ongoing proposal or overturn the decision of a previous proposal that concluded less than four weeks (28 days) ago.
  8. If one week before a proposal's initial deadline, the first place option is ahead of the second place option by eight or more votes and the first place option has at least 80% approval, then the proposal concludes early. Wiki staff may tag a proposal with "Do not close early" at any time to prevent an early close, if needed.
    • Tag the proposal with {{early notice}} if it is on track for an early close. Use {{proposal check|early=yes}} to perform the check.
  9. Any proposal where none of the options have at least four votes will be extended for another week. If after three extensions, no options have at least four votes, the proposal will be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
  10. If a proposal reaches its deadline and there is a tie for first place, then the proposal is extended for another week.
  11. If a proposal reaches its deadline and the first place option is ahead of the second place option by three or more votes, then the first place option must have over 50% approval to win. If the margin is only one or two votes, then the first place option must have at least 60% approval to win. If the required approval threshold is not met, then the proposal is extended for another week.
    • Use {{proposal check}} to automate this calculation; see the template page for usage instructions and examples.
  12. Proposals can be extended a maximum of three times. If a consensus has not been reached by the fourth deadline, then the proposal fails and cannot be re-proposed until at least four weeks after the last deadline.
  13. All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of an administrator, the proposer can ask for that help.
  14. After a proposal passes, it is added to the appropriate list of "unimplemented proposals" below and is removed once it has been sufficiently implemented.
  15. If the wiki staff deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to cancel it at any time.
  16. Proposals can only be rewritten or canceled by their proposer within the first four days of their creation. However, proposers can request that their proposal be canceled by a staff member at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it. Please note that canceled proposals must also be archived.
  17. Unless there is major disagreement about whether certain content should be included, there should not be proposals about creating, expanding, rewriting, or otherwise fixing up pages. To organize efforts about improving articles on neglected or completely missing subjects, try setting up a collaboration thread on the forums.
  18. Proposals cannot be made about promotions and demotions. Staff changes are discussed internally and handled by the bureaucrats.
  19. No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.
  20. Proposals must have a status quo option (e.g. Oppose, Do nothing) unless the status quo itself violates policy.

Basic proposal formatting

Below is an example of what your proposal must look like. If you are unsure how to set up this format, simply copy the following and paste it into the fitting section. When updating the bracketed variables with actual information, be sure to replace the whole variable including the square brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information" and not "[This is the inserted information]". Proposals presenting multiple alternative courses of action can have more than two voting options, but the objective(s) of each voting option must be clearly defined. Such options should also be kept to a minimum, and if something comes up in the comments, the proposal can be amended as necessary. 

===[insert a title for your proposal here]===
[describe what issue this proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the wiki handles that issue]

'''Proposer''': {{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}}<br>
'''Deadline''': {{subst:#time:F j, Y|+2 weeks}}, 23:59 GMT

====[option title (e.g. Support, Option 1)]: [brief summary of option]====
#{{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}} [make a statement indicating that you support your proposal]

====[option title (e.g. Oppose, Option 2)]: [brief summary of option]====

====Comments ([brief proposal title])====

Autoconfirmed users will now be able to vote on your proposal. Remember that you can vote on your own proposal just like the others.

To vote for an option, just insert #{{User|[your username here]}} at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on another user's proposal. If you are voting on your own proposal, you can simply say "Per proposal".

Talk page proposals

Proposals concerning a single page or a limited group of pages are held on the most relevant talk page regarding the matter. All of the above proposal rules also apply to talk page proposals. Place {{TPP}} under the section's header, and once the proposal is over, replace the template with {{settled TPP}}. Proposals dealing with a large amount of splits, merges, or deletions across the wiki should still be held on this page.

All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom) using {{TPP discuss}}. Include a brief description of the proposal while also mentioning any pages affected by it, a link to the talk page housing the discussion, and the deadline. If the proposal involves a page that is not yet made, use {{fake link}} to communicate its title in the description. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links.

List of ongoing talk page proposals

Unimplemented proposals

Proposals

Break alphabetical order in enemy lists to list enemy variants below their base form, EvieMaybe (ended May 21, 2024)
Standardize sectioning for Super Mario series game articles, Nintendo101 (ended July 3, 2024)
^ NOTE: Not yet integrated for the Super Mario Maker titles, Super Mario Run, and Super Mario Bros. Wonder.
Create new sections for gallery pages to cover "unused/pre-release/prototype/etc." graphics separate from the ones that appear in the finalized games, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 2, 2024)
Add film and television ratings to Template:Ratings, TheUndescribableGhost (ended October 1, 2024)
Use the classic and classic-link templates when discussing classic courses in Mario Kart Tour, YoYo (ended October 2, 2024)
Clarify coverage of the Super Smash Bros. series, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended October 17, 2024)
Remove all subpage and redirect links from all navigational templates, JanMisali (ended October 31, 2024)
Prioritize MESEN/NEStopia palette for NES sprites and screenshots, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended November 3, 2024)
Stop considering reused voice clips as references (usually), Waluigi Time (ended November 8, 2024)
Allow English names from closed captions, Koopa con Carne (ended November 12, 2024)
^ NOTE: A number of names coming from closed captions are listed here.
Split off the Mario Kart Tour template(s), MightyMario (ended November 24, 2024)
Split major RPG appearances of recurring locations, EvieMaybe (ended December 16, 2024)
Stop integrating templates under the names of planets and areas in the Super Mario Galaxy games, Nintendo101 (ended December 25, 2024)

Talk page proposals

Split all the clothing, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 12, 2021)
Split machine parts, Robo-Rabbit, and flag from Super Duel Mode, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 30, 2022)
Make bestiary list pages for the Minion Quest and Bowser Jr.'s Journey modes, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended January 11, 2024)
Allow separate articles for Diddy Kong Pilot (2003)'s subjects, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended August 3, 2024)
Create articles for specified special buildings in Super Mario Run, Salmancer (ended November 15, 2024)
Expand and rename List of characters by game to List of characters by first appearance, Hewer (ended November 20, 2024)
Merge False Character and Fighting Polygon/Wireframe/Alloy/Mii Teams into List of Super Smash Bros. series bosses, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended December 2, 2024)
Make changes to List of Smash Taunt characters, Hewer (ended December 27, 2024)
Merge the list of show hosts in All Night Nippon: Super Mario Bros., Axii (ended December 28, 2024)

List of talk page proposals

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Writing guidelines

Discourage use of the singular "they"

I'll start with this: it really annoys me when I see the word "they" used in the singular. In many places I see the words "she" and "they" used in the singular when gender is unknown. This does not annoy me because I am male, but because I know it is grammatically incorrect! I actually had a conversation with Alex95 (talk) the other day on MarioWiki talk:Proposals/Header, and you know what he said? "'Their' is used when gender is indeterminable, so there's nothing wrong here." Look at this Wikipedia article on the singular "they". Notice that not once does it mention that "they" has not been officially accepted as a singular word! Gender and sex are two different things, gender being a grammatical term and sex being a biological term; they are only connected in English. This is a common misunderstanding among society which led to the creation of the informal word "themself"! My computer, in fact, does not like me using that word and underlines it in red! In grammatical terms (don't call me sexist because of what I'm about to say!), masculine is superior and feminine is inferior; hence, we use masculine words for the unknown gender. There is no reason we should use plural, feminine, or neuter words for the unknown gender. However, the MarioWiki: Manual of Style encourages such informal grammar! We are a wiki; hence, we use proper grammar. "You" has been accepted as a singular word; "they" has not. So which should we prioritize: grammatical correctness or gender neutrality?
Proposer: YoshiFlutterJump (talk)
Deadline: November 26, 2017, 23:59 GMT

Support

  1. YoshiFlutterJump (talk) As a wiki and encyclopedia, grammatical correctness takes priority. Per my proposal.

Oppose

  1. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) You want us....to refer to the player.....as "he or she"......every single time? Sorry, gotta oppose. Not to mention all the ambiguously-gendered characters that are just awkward to refer to as "it."
  2. Alex95 (talk) - We can't determine the gender of the reader, so "they", a mention of the character's name, or "the player" is best used instead. It has nothing to do with offending anyone or not doing so, we just shouldn't assume that everybody that reads the Bob-omb Battlefield article for example is male or female.
  3. Time Turner (talk) Your link to Wikipedia literally has a sentence about its acceptance. The singular they is perfectly acceptable and has historical basis, and you ignore it at your own peril. Also, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about when it comes to gender pronouns. "Masculine is superior and feminine is inferior" is junk especially in English, and I'm saying this as someone who's fluent in a language that relies on gender pronouns.
  4. Chat Man (talk) Per All, Don von Schmeltwick is a vocabulary whiz, I'm gonna go with him. (You guys too).
  5. Baby Luigi (talk) Although I do agree that "they" does not agree with first person nouns, no matter how "progressive" and people use the "language is changing" argument to assert their still technically grammatically incorrect view, I don't think having a rule against it is a right thing to do nor is it particularly enforceable. I'd encourage writing "the player" into "players" instead (ie changing the awkward use of "they" in "The player must tap their character" to "Players must tap their character" - "The player must press their button" to "The player must press a button") and avoid using personal pronouns as much as possible.
  6. Wariopicross (talk) Per All; "They/Their" is a much safer and easier way to refer to a character or person you don't know the gender of, and there is precedence for singular "they"; reading "he or she" every time in the place of "they" is just tedious and annoying.

Comments

@Doc: No, I am proposing that we just use "he". Using "he or she" is ugly and wrong; so is "they" in the singular. The word "themself" in itself is especially annoying. -YFJ (talk · edits) 22:46, 19 November 2017 (EST)

And that's assuming gender of players. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:47, 19 November 2017 (EST)
Did you read my proposal...at all? "He" is either masculine or gender neutral, and "masculine" and "male" are two different words. -YFJ (talk · edits) 22:50, 19 November 2017 (EST)
Not in this day, age, and universe it's not. Either way, not everyone reading would be masculine. I'm quite feminine, myself. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:53, 19 November 2017 (EST)

@BLOF: There's literal historical precedence for the singular they. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 22:54, 19 November 2017 (EST)

It still sounds awkward and something I want to avoid using as much as possible. BabyLuigiFire.pngRay Trace(T|C) 23:03, 19 November 2017 (EST)
And I think that it sounds perfectly natural, especially when the gender of the subject is unknown. What then? Hello, I'm Time Turner. 23:05, 19 November 2017 (EST)

On the record: My argument has nothing to do with "progressive" garbage. It's just unwise to use "he" when girls read this place too. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:55, 19 November 2017 (EST)

@Baby Luigi: It's not just that it's wrong, but the Manual of Style supports it! When I say "discourage", I simply mean that the Super Mario Wiki should stop supporting it! -YFJ (talk · edits) 22:59, 19 November 2017 (EST)

I don't entirely want to remove it altogether because some situations it's less jarring than others. BabyLuigiFire.pngRay Trace(T|C) 23:03, 19 November 2017 (EST)

New features

None at the moment.

Removals

None at the moment.

Changes

Remove the Mario & Sonic header templates

There are seven templates that are used exclusively for events in Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games: M&S-Athletics, M&S-Aquatics, M&S-Archery, M&S-Gymnastics, M&S-Rowing, M&S-Tennis, and M&S-Skeet. All of them are 100% pointless and should be dealt with. For starters, Fencing is completely missing from this deal for no explainable reason. If you say that's because Fencing only has one event tied to it, then automatically, the majority of the templates would also be deleted, since they too only cover a single event. Athletics, Aquatics, and Gymnastics are the only ones that cover multiple events, and even then, Gymnastics has a grand total of two. You don't need an entirely separate template for two articles. This is to say nothing of how none of the other games in the series have these templates or anything that resembles them, and really, they shouldn't. They only add an image to the top-right corner (which also creates ugly overlap with the FA template), which then links to the appropriate event category, and that's it. The categories are already on the pages in the first place, and the infoboxes already mention what kind of event it is. There is nothing to be gained from these templates, especially when they cover so few pages.

The most obvious solution (and most preferable, to me) would be to simply remove them, and have our readers actually look at the article for information rather than a small image in an obtuse location. While it would be possible to merge the templates into one (somewhat similar to Template:Button), which would solve the problem of having a bunch of scattered templates covering so few pages, they would still be wholly redundant and pointless. If someone thinks that the images are crucial to the articles, then they can be worked into the infoboxes, but otherwise, they're just wastes of space.

Proposer: Time Turner (talk)
Deadline: November 26, 2017, 23:59 GMT

Support

  1. Time Turner (talk) Per proposal.
  2. YoshiFlutterJump (talk) Per proposal.
  3. Alex95 (talk) - Never once had a reason to use them. Per proposal.

Oppose

Comments

Shouldn't this be a multi-option proposal, since you mentioned maybe working the templates into the infoboxes? Toadette icon CTTT.pngFont of Archivist Toadette's signature(T|C) 12:57, 19 November 2017 (EST)

I mentioned including the images into the infobox. I don't see why we can't both do that and delete the templates. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 13:07, 19 November 2017 (EST)
Maybe someone else can :T Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:45, 19 November 2017 (EST)

Overlapping abbreviations in navigation templates

In the previous proposal about navigation templates, I noticed Template:G&Wario and how its name is totally inconsistent with every other name. It was presumably named that because "Template:G&W" could be confused with Template:Game & Watch, but that's not how we resolve overlaps. For example, since "SMS" could refer to either Super Mario Sunshine or Super Mario Strikers, their corresponding templates are written out in full, as Template:Super Mario Sunshine and Template:Super Mario Strikers. There are very few examples of this on the wiki, but in almost every case besides G&W, each name is written in full (the other exception being Template:WWS). With that in mind, "G&Wario" should be moved to Game & Wario to resolve the inconsistency.

However, a while back (in another proposal that involved standardizing names), I actually suggested doing what G&Wario's doing now, with the last word being written in full while the rest of the name is abbreviated. It was shot down in a later discussion by an admin, but now that we have an inconsistency to resolve, I thought that it would be worth bringing it up again. Using the half-abbreviated approach saves on space while still preventing confusion, but at the same time, it's kind of unwieldy and isn't particularly intuitive. With all of this in mind, there are three options: move G&Wario to follow the other templates' examples (option 1), move the other templates to follow G&Wario's example (option 2), and do nothing (option 3). We definitely shouldn't do nothing, since that would leave us with an inconsistency for no good reason, but beyond that, the other options are open for all.

Proposer: Time Turner (talk)
Deadline: November 27, 2017, 23:59 GMT

Option 1: Only move G&Wario

  1. Alex95 (talk) - Per proposal. This should set a standard as well, with any templates being similarly abbreviated being moved to the games' full name.

Option 2: Half-abbreviate the other templates

Option 3: Do nothing

Comments

Affected templates:

What about Template:WWS? That's for Wario's Woods, and it's also inconsistent with everything (Template:WW is for Wario World). Dark BonesSig.png 19:51, 19 November 2017 (EST)

I didn't even know about that one. Into the pile it goes! Hello, I'm Time Turner. 19:55, 19 November 2017 (EST)

I want to vote option 1, but what about future similarly abbreviated templates in the future? Should this set a standard of some kind? Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 22:54, 19 November 2017 (EST)

However this ends, it'll be a signal for future editors on what they should do, just like my previous templates about colons and ampersands. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 22:58, 19 November 2017 (EST)

Miscellaneous

Bring back game-similarity charts

Okay, so anyone reading this probably doesn't know what I'm talking about. Let me give you an example. This was my first edit on the wiki. I fixed the chart under "gameplay menus". But now this chart and the other one are both gone. The editor that removed the charts gave a one-word summary: "Unnecessary". It has happened with Mario Golf (series), Mario Tennis (series), Mario Party (series), and several others. Why? "Unnecessary" is an unacceptable reason to remove such charts. As an encyclopedia and a wiki, we should never remove info because we classify it "unnecessary". An encyclopedia includes all obtainable information, necessary or unnecessary. Therefore we should stop the removal of these charts and bring them back.

Proposer: YoshiFlutterJump (talk)
Deadline: November 20, 2017, 23:59 GMT

Support

  1. YoshiFlutterJump (talk) Per proposal.

Oppose

  1. Ultimate Mr. L (talk) Those charts don't give any information, they only show similarities between games. I don't see how they help to convey information and agree that they are (apologies in advance) unnecessary. If you can tell me how they are useful, I'll consider changing my vote.
  2. Baby Luigi (talk) These charts are incredibly unwieldy and they make a shoddy attempt at comparing two different types of gameplay. It's uninformative, a messy way to organize comparisons, and simply writing similarities and comparisons in prose format is far more useful to the leader than creating a confusing table that lists elements that do not have anything in common with each other at all. Our gameplay sections in the way the articles are written are fine and are better than what they used to be.
  3. TheFlameChomp (talk) Per Baby Luigi.
  4. Camwood777 (talk) - These doesn't really seem useful in the least.

Comments

Your edit link is fouled up. To get it to display the word This, remove the | and replace it with a space. Right now, the link not only looks wrong, it doesn't work right.
Ultimate Mr. L without the emblem behind him (for my signature) Ultimate Mr. L (Talk-Contribs-Stats) 15:55, 13 November 2017 (EST)
P.S. I noticed that your were trying to fix the ====Comments==== issue. That's a glitch that shows up all the time. To fix it, just throw some sort of code under the header. A colon works nicely, since it then doesn't actually show up on the page, but the header works right.

I kind of get why someone would want a quick 'n' easy way to check which Mario Tennis games (for an off-the-cuff example) allow mirro matches, but man, not like this. Ugly, IMAX-wide charts that only get uglier and bigger the more games are released. --Glowsquid (talk) 21:05, 13 November 2017 (EST)

Online Flash games

We currently have little coverage on official Flash-powered games used by Nintendo to promote their games in the past. In fact, the only relevant thing here is the Barrel-Blastapalooza page, which I wrote and nobody seemed to mind, but when a bunch of other games were added to the Mario games nav template, they got removed by someone stating that they need to be discussed first.

Many of these games were listed in a selection on Nintendo's website (link: https://web.archive.org/web/20070911004647/http://www.nintendo.com/arcade).

Under Glowsquid (talk)'s guidance, I decided to make a proposal dedicated to the matter. Should we give official Flash games the same treatment as full-fledged games? Should there be a separate template to include them all?

I visualise three options:

  1. Each Flash game could receive its own page. I strongly recommend this to be done because I consider these games to be games after all, no matter if they are mere advertisments. Donkey Kong Country: Barrel Maze is an example of a game that seems to stand on its own without a relation to a particular game, and if it is to have an article, the other games should too.
  2. Info on Flash games could simply be incorporated in one big article. This would mean merging Barrel-Blastapalooza with said article. I'm not keen on the idea, but it could be a workaround for games that have become unavailable, whereabout information is scarce.
  3. The Flash games should not be covered. I obviously don't agree with this option, since we're talking official material.

Proposer: Super Radio (talk)
Deadline: November 25, 2017 23:59 GMT

Make separate pages for Flash games

  1. Super Radio (talk) per proposal.
  2. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) Per proposal.
  3. TheFlameChomp (talk) Per proposal.
  4. Toadette the Achiever (talk) I don't see why we shouldn't cover them, so per proposal.
  5. Baby Luigi (talk) Per all.
  6. YoshiFlutterJump (talk) They're games. They're official. Hence, we cover them. Per all.
  7. Mister Wu (talk) Some of them might look simple and thin in content when compared to other videogames, but they're still games licensed by Nintendo and I guess the content there should be anyway enough to make a page for each one of them, as Barrel-Blastapalooza showed.
  8. Ultimate Mr. L (talk) Per all. (I had no idea that Nintendo used Flash games.)
  9. Niiue (talk) Per all.

Present the games in a comprehensive article

  1. Ultimate Mr. L (talk) Considering Flash games are smaller than full-fledged games, this seems like a workable option.
  2. YoshiFlutterJump (talk) This isn't a bad choice either. After all, it still covers the information.

Don't cover Flash games

Comments

@Super Radio: My suggestion to make a proposal wasn't over wheter the flash games should get their own pages (it's offishul material and nobody has objected) but rather wheter they should be listed alongside "real" games on templates or rounded up in their own ghetto (personally I favor the later solution). --Glowsquid (talk) 19:15, 18 November 2017 (EST)

I'd personally vouch for them appearing on Template:MarioGames and the like. If they're official, we might as well treat them officially (and if the Donkey Kong slot machine is already on the template, I think they'll be in good company). At the very least, we could have a computer games template and lump in the edutainment games with the flash games. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 22:00, 18 November 2017 (EST)
@Glowsquid: I know, and I did ask in this proposal if web games should have their separate template. However, I wanted a proposal to discuss the whole matter of Flash games, as it was requested by Lindsay151 to happen. I agree with Time Turner; there should be a template with all PC games like Mario's Time Machine and Mario's Missing, which could include Flash-based games. Although Flash is a computing platform in itself, similar to any OS, the games in question were only meant to be playable on a PC via web browser (any sort of emulation notwithstanding). -- -- KOOPA CON CARNE 05:02, 19 November 2017 (EST)

One thing I am not sure of is what genres are some of these games fit in. DK: King of Swing -- Hurling for Distance, for example: it plays very similarly to the Yetisports games, if anyone's ever heard of them, but I can't find a professional term to describe this particular genre, other than "distance games". Are they just called action games? Well, you certainly can't compare them to these. What do you think? -- -- KOOPA CON CARNE 07:57, 19 November 2017 (EST)

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