Talk:Luigi

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'Negative' Impact

I recently added to the abilities section a mention on the Negative Zone final smash and its possible corelation to his becoming Mr. L in SPM. But I just now found it to be removed. If someone could tell me if it is because it is merely a theory, or if it was because of something else, that'd be helpful. User:BoomOfThe4thWall

it's just a theory, otherwise the game would mention it somewhere.
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Luigi time! (talk).

Age

Is it possible that Mario and Luigi are twins, but Mario is older by X minutes? HK

Yes. It's possible. --Son of Suns 13:33, 29 June 2006 (EDT)

Im just thinking that that is how is they how they are twins, AND one is older. (This previously unsigned comment was made by HK-47.)

Well, the Mario games don't exactly have perfect continuity. For one thing, Shy Guys, Bob-ombs, and Birdos were both dreams in SMB2, but they're real in other games. (Most likely, Mario knew about them before his dream, and that's why he dreamed about them.)

For this one, the theories are that: a) Baby Mario & Baby Luigi are different from Mario & Luigi. Highly unlikely.

b) Mario's older by a few minutes. More likely.

c) Nintendo retconned the info seen in Yoshi's Island, or forgot all about it when they described Luigi as the younger. Likely, but not as likely as B.

So, either B or C. Waluigi Freak 99 14:45, 9 September 2006 (EDT)

Well, Mario did encounter those enemies as a baby in Yoshi's Island, so it is logical that he would dream about them. Also, Nintendo did retcon Yoshi's Island in the GBA release. In the beginning of the game, instead of refering to Mario and Luigi as twins (like in SNES version), Mario and Luigi are simply called brothers. -- Son of Suns

Funny how people don't realise that twins can't be born at the exact same time. Of course one is older than the other. It can be by minutes or hours.
- Yoshi Master It doesn't seem like they could be twins. BulletBill 12:56, 7 November 2011 (EST) In my opinion, I think Nintendo made a mistake when they said they were twins. Paper Jorge

I think so too. In the Japanese games, it clearly states Mario is older that Luigi, and most likely not twins. Marcelagus (T • C • E)

And then there is every game out there that retcons what you just said. Angry Sun 15:00, 13 May 2007 (EDT)

I think... That if they were teins they would be called the mario twins... User:Remiel

If you had a twin, wouldn't he still be your brother? Mumbles 23:48, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

I will believe what Luigi's trophy states in SSBB: "Mario's YOUNGER TWIN brother..." WK

OMG I don't really care because Luigi ROX!
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In Yoshi's Island, they were carried by the stork at the same time, so they probably are twins. Mario certainly is some minutes older than Luigi. I think in one of the episodes of "The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3", Luigi says it. --Xeze 13:43, 21 November 2008 (EST)

Mario is about 27. Luigi is about 25. Luigi is the younger one. --Jayt55 16:38, 30 November 2008 (EST)

At the end of Chapter 7-1 in Super Paper Mario, Luvbi says to Tippi "Dost thou pine for yonder hairy twins?" But then again, I just watched one episode of the Super Mario Bros. Super Show and they celebrate Luigi's birthday without celebrating Mario's. WK

In Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga, a character who did not no them referred to them as "middle-aged." Stumpers! 23:17, 1 December 2008 (EST)

I always thought Mario is 31 and Luigi is 28. So that would mean Mario is older than Luigi by a few years. But Mario just seems older to me for some reason. User:Lemmy Koopa Fan

It doesn't seem like they could be twins. BulletBill 12:57, 7 November 2011 (EST)

I always thought that Mario & Luigi were twins, and that Mario was older by 30 minuets. Plus, Super Mario BROS sounds better than Super Mario TWINS, so they probably are twins and not just bros. Plus they look almost exactly the same. Even though they're bros they wouldn't look THAT closely alike unless they were twins!

--Girls rule, for pink is a manly color! Pichi-Hime6!(talk · edits) 14:44, 7 November 2011 (EST)

They don't look that much alike. In some games if you look really closely, you'll notice that Luigi's overalls are a slightly darker shade than Mario's, and Luigi wears green and Mario wears red, the each have their own symbol (a red M for Mario and a green L for Luigi), Luigi is slightly taller and thinner and even their mustaches are different. Also, Mario and Luigi don't usually speak like other characters, but Luigi does it a bit more than Mario, as only Luigi would speak English in Super Paper Mario. They also weren't born at the same time. And twins don't have to look alike. Just because Mario and Luigi look alike doesn't mean they're twins!M&L Beware my fury! 12:49, 30 January 2012 (EST)

Well, of course they're gonna wear different outfits! And unless they're IDENTICAL twins, their physical features would always look a little different. How do you know they weren't born at the same time? Plus, doesn't Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games say they're twins? Plus, Luvbi says they're twins in SPM. All the signs point to them being twins, so until Nintendo gives info that says otherwise, I say they're twins.
P.S.: They were carried by the stork at the same time in Yoshi's Island, and their bond was so strong that Baby Mario new where Baby Luigi was when Kamek kidnapped Baby Luigi.

--Girls rule, for pink is a manly color! Pichi-Hime6!(talk · edits) 20:32, 30 January 2012 (EST)

I'm agree that he is Mario's Twin Brother. Talk less, read more. You better read the wiki page carefully before asking. 180.254.179.58 23:42, 22 August 2014 (EDT)

You do realize you're responding to a 2 year old message, right? Ray Trace^(T|C) 23:44, 22 August 2014 (EDT)

Okay, i am gonna forget about this. I only want to say that they should see the wiki page carefully. 180.254.179.58 23:50, 22 August 2014 (EDT)

"Yeah it's likely that Luigi is just Mario's younger twin! I'm a younger twin by two minutes...But many years older Mario fandom wise!" -Luigidude17, twin brother of Luigigirl17(not a real user, just my sister's nickname.)

SMB Wonder is another canonical (in-game text!) mention of his "twin but younger twin" status. Could this go in the article’s Age section? Pichugetic (talk) 18:33, March 21, 2024 (EDT)

Images

If anyone can help finding images, I will be happy :). Paper Jorge

Mr. L Merge

Go here ^Plumber

AnimeLuigi.jpg - deleted?

Why has this picture been deleted?? --Grandy02 06:56, 22 June 2007 (EDT)

I myself am not sure. According to the deletion log, KPH2293 (talk), who is VERY trustworthy and all that, deleted it on the claims that it was unused, despite the fact that the page links to it even now. It's no problem, though; I'll just re-upload the image. (And by the way, KPH also deleted Image:Staringcontest?.gif and Image:Luigitennis.jpeg on the same terms; both of these images are still linked through from the article. I'll ask him why he did this...) YELLOWYOSHI398

Just so you know, I noticed many Luigi Pictures that are on Luigi's page that say "No pages Link to this file". However, they are on Luigi's page, yet they the image says that they are not on this page. Something might be wrong with this page, but I don't know. My Bloody Valentine

Hmm... Currently, all surviving images linked to this page state that they are indeed linked to this page. I dunno; what you said still could've been what caused it... YELLOWYOSHI398

If something like this happens again, slap the images on your talk page in a gallery, it works all the time ;) Xzelion^ETC

Super Mario 64 DS

May I ask why the Super Mario 64 DS section is placed after Paper Mario? Isn't it a remake of Super Mario 64, and thus occupies the same spot in the timeline? Dinosaur bob 13:27, 1 July 2007 (EDT)

• Actually it's matter of opinion. I personally think the "remake" is in the same continuity as the original and they both happened at different times. the DS adventure could have happened after Paper Mario and the original happened before for all we know. -- WarioLoaf (talk) 01:37, 8 September 2007 (EDT)

According to MarioWiki: Chronology, remakes should be listed in a biography in the same section the original would occupy. This is an official policy. -- Son of Suns

Question

Why was most of the Pics removed? Xzelion^ETC

I don't know, but somebody has to put them here before deletion. PP

Well I might not know Why, but I know who. It was This guy. Anonymouspp

Some of the Pics were reused from some of the same games, plus there was too many of them getting in the way, I didn't change much to the gallery, but please, no more in the main article! I mean, talk a look at the Part talking about Mr L, we got too many pics at that point, I think we can put of of those in the gallery. Luigi 7

Can someone explain to me what is meant when Mario tells Luigi good job but then steps on his foot in Mario Power Tennis?
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Spring Cleaning!

THIS has a few broken links and stuff. Can someone go over it so it looks like a great Featured Article? I saw a broken link and I see too many red links. Minimariolover10

It is gonna take a lot of work to get this article to FA status. It will take many users, and probably many months for that to happen. -- Son of Suns

Well at least fix the link. Minimariolover10

And put the Images back on! PP

We're too late. PP

Quote

I think "I hope she made us lotsa of spaghetti!" from Hotel Mario would make a much better main quote, anyone agree? Glowsquid

I reckon I'm-a Luigi umber one! is betterSuper Yoshi10Lookey This

I disagree because it's more of a...well, it's a quote from an unpopular game and people just like it because they use it in a lot of Youtube Poop. Paper Jorge ( Talk·Contributions)·

Oh, I don't know, all I know is Luigi is so not respected enough.
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Wanting lotsa spaghetti reflects well on Luigi's personality better. --Koopapoopa 00:43, 18 May 2010 (EDT)

And plus, The famous "Mama Luigi" quote is used on the article, too. YTP or not, it's still a "famous" quote. Maybe it should be mentioned. Moshata 18:38, 20 July 2011 (EDT)

I think that the quotes should mention how Luigi often speaks in Italian in the Mario & Luigi series- RPG Gamer.

Relationships

I've removed Donkey Kong and added E. Gadd instead, I know there's more to it, but can someone add to it?
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I edited the relationship between him and King Boo a bit I will see what I can find more on E Gadd.
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Add some stuff about Luigi's "element!"

On Wikipeda, they mention Luigi's thunder-hand from M&L:SS and how his symbol in Strikers was a thunder-bolt. Add this in! (Without taking the exact text of course) Klaus Kratchet In Mario Super Sluggers, Luigi has tornado when pitching/batting. This could mean he has air powers.

Vote for the Main Quote

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change to option 1 3-1-1
As the title says, this is a vote to decide the main quote. I want to change it, but I suppose I should bring this here before making any change. Blitzwing

Option 1

“I'm-a Luigi, number one!”

—Luigi, Mario Kart 64

Option 2

“I hope she made us lot's of spaghetti!”

—Luigi, Hotel Mario

Option 3

“That's Mama Luigi to you Mario!”

—Luigi, Super Mario World (TV series)

Option 1

Knife (talk) 13:56, 15 December 2007 (EST) Quote from a better known game

SiFi, Youtube poops mean nothing on this wiki. Though I always thought "I'm my bro's bro." was a good one.

Lavender, "I'm my bro's bro" is from Super Paper Mario. Not youtube. And, "that's mama luigi to you mario" was actually in the show, there may be a lot of youtube poops for that episode, but Luigi really says that.

Option 2

Oppose. More people know this quote from the intro to Garfield and Friends than from Hotel Mario. Besides, it's already the quote on Spaghetti by now. --Tepples 17:44, 21 March 2009 (EDT)

Support. So? It still reflects Luigi's personality.--Koopapoopa 00:55, 18 May 2010 (EDT)

Option 3

I think this option should be because: 1.)mario could just change Luigi to mario and 2.)Mario could have easily said te same thing. in fact, both of them could have said it-Chandud

vote for the Main quote

I think that "I'm my bro's bro" from super paper mario is a better one, because it shows luigi's personality, in every game i've played luigi calls mario "bro". option one is from mario kart and crossovers, option two sounds more like mario then luigi, and option 3 only applies to one episode of super mario world.
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Super Mario Galaxy

Where are images of him playable in that game?(Super F22 Pilot 04:09, 8 January 2008 (EST))

There aren't very many images of the playable Luigi around. (DarkZero)

Well please upload the image if you at least find any. Also I did was able to play as Luigi by collecting all 120 Stars and switched from Mario to Luigi but then you have to start all the way to the beginning.(Super F22 Pilot 03:37, 10 January 2008 (EST))

"Paper" Luigi...

Luigi's image in the TTYD section looks shopped. His mustache doesn't part from his nose and his eyes are too close together. NMRodo I remember a similar issue with Tayce T.

Dodo's right, it could possibly just be fan artwork (The uploader...) Mr. Guy the Guy Talk!^E

Yeah, it's quite obviously a fake. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 11:10, 21 January 2008 (EST)

It is if you look closely the bold line looks thin. And his overalls are light blue! (Aren't they suppose to be jean coloured) File:LuigiPM2.PNG Princess Grapes Butterfly 20:59, 15 February 2008 (EST) (And his ear is all mess up.)

Luigi's Final Smash

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=LckvnqXmujc Its strange, but it still deserves a mention and article.
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Mention: Yes. Article: No. HyperToad

Where does he get that smash from anyway?
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apparently it's because of his dislike from being in his bro's shadow.
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Early artwork

Is there any artwork of Luigi from an early game, like Super Mario Bros. 2, or Super Mario World, or something? I want to see what he originally looked like in one of those platformers. Is there any on the wiki? If it's not in this article, probably not. (I know there is artwork of him from SMB2, because there is of the other characters... where do images like that come from?) CrystalYoshi 19:11, 27 February 2008 (EST)

You can find a lot by looking at the artwork for the remake (Super Mario Advance). There's one of him running, pulling up a turnip, and maybe one more. Now, whether these were the original artwork, I don't know. Stumpers! 23:13, 27 February 2008 (EST)

The manuals also have artwork of Luigi. See here for SMB2 and here for SMW. Time Questions 06:22, 28 February 2008 (EST)

Is there any website that shows the artwork? It should be uploaded. CrystalYoshi 18:36, 29 February 2008 (EST)

Your best bet is Gamehiker. I forget the URL, so please search for "Gamehiker". The site has a gallery sorted by video games. Stumpers! 20:08, 29 February 2008 (EST)

Well, can I just download the picture and click "upload file"? Is it that easy? If I just do that, will I get arrested for not scaling down the image or something? I'm a little confused about that. 20:32, 29 February 2008 (EST)

Never mind, they didn't have the one I wanted. (I wanted the one that was part of this picture. Maybe it's from Super Mario Advance, but they didn't have artwork from that game.) CrystalYoshi

That's the biggest version of the picture I know of. You can chop out Luigi using Paint if you want to. In regards to being arrested: just read the appropriate template for your image (ie, screenshot, artwork, etc.) and see that you hold true to the criteria. Stumpers! 10:27, 1 March 2008 (EST)

Mr L

Shouldn't we create a separate page for Mr L? --Mario was defeated by Bowser. Peach Cried.

Actually, I was thinking about that earlier. Maybe, but there might not be too much to say about Mr. L, in which case it's a good idea to keep him part of this article to avoid having a stub. CrystalYoshi

It would be nice for someone looking for stats or tips not to have to discover his true identity by finding it only on the Luigi page. Plus, we have Bowletta, Fire Mario, etc. Stumpers! 17:38, 6 March 2008 (EST)

You're right. The aticle would mention in the first few sentences that it was really Luigi, but it's pretty obvious. (Actually, when I saw Mr. L, I wasn't sure if it was Luigi after being hypnotized, or some sort of clone or evil twin of Luigi.) But that doesn't really matter, there's a ton of spoilers on the wiki and not much to do about it. But a Mr. L article sounds like a good idea to me. Anyone want to make it? Pseudo-dino first mentioned it, does he want to make it? CrystalYoshi

A Mr. L article would definatly work. His millions of appearances throughout the game, information about his HP and battle technices (Shroom Shake!), a quote of his, how Luigi turned into Mr. L after he tried to escape, how he joined Bleck, how he got turned back into Luigi after bieng "killed", how they later found out who he really was and his mention in Brawl. Sounds article worthy. Paper Jorge ( Talk·Contributions)·

Out of Order Pictures

I think the official images on this article should be in date order. Does anyone agree/disagree? EnPeached 21:18, 29 April 2008 (EDT) Yup.[Yoshitheawesome]

Melee

how do you unlock luigi in meleeP&F911 18:56, 24 May 2008 (EDT)P&F911

I won't even bother saying to go to the forums. You need to play 800 vs. matches or finish the first stage in Adventure mode when a digit of the time is 7. I'm sure someone can explain the second part of that better.Knife (talk) 13:10, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

Pizza!

From Wikipedia:

"In accordance with Nintendo's marketing policy of naming and promoting individual characters,[2] the new character was given the name Luigi, which was inspired by a pizza parlor near Nintendo of America's headquarters in Redmond, Washington, called "Mario & Luigi's".[4]".

I don't see this anywhere in the history or current version. Should be added, yeah? -- Chris 20:09, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

I'll go on the record saying this is a perfect example of how canon has replaced history on this Wiki. Stumpers! 15:24, 30 August 2008 (EDT)

Luigi Mario?

OK, I found some new evidence on the Bros.' last name. It's in some issue of Nintendo Power, a Super Mario Sunshine article. Mario addresses a postcard to a certain "Luigi Mario." Whaddaya think? I can scan the article or whatever. BLOC PARTIER.

Sounds good - if you give us the issue number, page number, article title, and author we can do a proper citation and you won't have to scan - but scans are appreciated, too! Stumpers! 15:18, 30 August 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, I'd rather scan it, considering it's part of a poster that I already took out of the magazine. If I was lucky, it'd only take a couple minutes to find, but if not... It could take well over an hour. :O BLOC PARTIER.

Oh, I know that feeling. Good luck and may both of us one day find enough space for all of our stuff so that it is organized. :P Stumpers! 01:25, 31 August 2008 (EDT)

I always thought Luigi Mario was his real name, and that's why they're called theMario bros..

Interactions with other characters

I think that instead of King boo being under interactions with other characters, ghosts should be stated. Because since Luigi's Manison, Luigi has had a connection with not just King Boo, but with ghosts in general. An example would be that Luigi was trapped in the Ghostly Galaxy in Super Mario Galaxy. I would have went ahead and changed it, but I thought that some people might prefer that a specific individual be listed instead of a species. I just wanted to get some opinions on this. WK

But, that would be like saying "Mario has an interaction with Koopas" in general. Just because Luigi fights them, doesn't mean they have a connection. Marcelagus (T • C • E)

In Mario Superstar Baseball, Luigi shares bad chemistry with not just King Boo, but also with Boo. Where as Mario doesn't share bad chemistry with Koopas or Goombas. WK

The chemistry does not determine all relationships. (Goomba with a good chemsitry with Diddy Kong??) Anyway, I just noticed... Daisy has a bad chemistry with Waluigi. Does this support the Daisy-Luigi relationship, perhaps? o_0 Marcelagus (T • C • E)

I certainly think so. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 13:15, December 19, 2022 (CST)

Possibly...
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King Boo is basically the guy that hates Weege the most, kind of like goomboss/bowser and Mario. King Boo captured Weege in Mario 64 DS, and Goomboss captured mario. I think maybe an interaction with ghosts in general and a subheading with King Boo.--Koopapoopa 00:50, 18 May 2010 (EDT)

the thing in mario superstar baseball is because luigi is scared of ghosts and mario isn't scared of koopas or goombas (or anything =P). and koopapoopa, it's spelled "weegee".
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The one with Wario and Rosalina are both a bit pointless (mainly the Wario one) since he's more of a rival with Waluigi, and he really and truly only doesn't really interact with Rosalina apart from when you can play as him and his ending photo. AzelfandQuilava 17:39, 12 October 2012 (EDT)

?

why is he in the police catagory?
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Because of this comic. --Grandy02 13:57, 21 November 2008 (EST)

Personality

"When Luigi finally went on a quest of his own in Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, he's presented as be more arrogant and somewhat of a liar, as he changes the stories of his adventure to make himself look better;"

Isn't that a little too harsh? Sure he changed some things in his story but I think he only did this to make his brother proud of him.

And as for his novel: It can not undoubtedly be confirmed that Luigi made that exaggerated edits. It might have been the author as well in an attempt to make his story sound more read-worthy.

Edofenrir 07:25, 20 August 2009 (EDT)

Younger twin brother?

I'm confused. Hello, I'm Time Turner.

How are you confused? Even in the case of twins, they're not born the same moment, if that's what you're wondering. One is still older than the other. --Garlic Man (talk)

Well, how do we know if Luigi's younger? Hello, I'm Time Turner.

Read Luigi#Luigi's Age for details. --Garlic Man (talk)

Tanned

Should we mention in his physicl description that in some games Luigi has paler skin than Mario? if yall never noticed look at the Mario & Luigi sprites real close like. [[User:Clarkmaster|Clarkmaster[[UserTalk:Clarkmaster|Southern Voice!]]]] 17:11, 31 January 2010 (EST)

That's kinda minor information, since I only noticed a tiny difference if I looked really closely and made sure that they use different colors. And it's only in a few games as well. Ray Trace^(T|C)

Yes, but Roy Campbell said: "Look at that pale skin!"...--Green Thunder 11:36, 19 March 2011 (EDT)

I agree with BabyLuigiOnFire, I only noticed when I heard the codec, and it was very hard to see. L-ater!

Meaning

I was doing a little research, and I found out that the meaning of "Luigi" is "famous fighter", something that Luigi is definately not. Should that go in trivia, starting with "ironically" or "coincedentially?" (<-- probably not spelt right, but who cares.) Lemmy Koopa Fan 22:45, 8 March 2010 (EST)

Where did you get that information from? Ray Trace^(T|C)

Ah, one of those "meaning of names" sites. I'm pretty sure it was true, because that's what it said on other sites too. (Wow, I have such weird hobbies...) Lemmy Koopa Fan 17:12, 9 March 2010 (EST)

...The meaning of "Luigi" is "Glorious in battle" (according to the Junior Woodchucks' manual... =P)...--Green Thunder 11:36, 19 March 2011 (EDT)

Luigi in Brawl

I've seen pictures and videos of Luigi in Brawl as Mr.L,a few websites say stuff about this (eye problems and not being able to get the bandana on him.)MegaClaws 11:30, 9 March 2010 (EST)

The pictures were edited and the videos were the result of a hack. I know because there is no way possible to play as Mr. L in Super Smash Bros. Brawl. Lemmy Koopa Fan 17:15, 9 March 2010 (EST)

Weegee

I think we should have more information about the name "weegee", and maybe even an image of what "weegee" looks like. --Koopapoopa 00:53, 18 May 2010 (EDT)

-_-' Please nothing about YouTube poops or other crap from other meme places...--FREAK ~Game Freak~ OUT!

I just mean basic information about him, such as the fact that it's from the DOS version and that his sprite is infamous for its staring, stuff like that. --Koopapoopa 01:02, 18 May 2010 (EDT)

Yes, and let's put it in the trivia section. --Click to enter my domain! 21:52, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

information actually about Luigi

In the sections for various games, it just says things like, "mario and luigi travelled through 8 worlds, blah blah blah..." and doesn't give that much information about Luigi himself, like how he throws the shell on the title screen of Mario 3,etc. --Koopapoopa 01:02, 18 May 2010 (EDT)

That's one of the reasons why the article has a rewrite template. Feel free to help improve the article by adding more facts actually related to Luigi and removing unrelated information; if the article talks about things unrelated to the subject, that's only because nobody has taken the time to rewrite those sections yet. Keep in mind when adding things though that the style used for most of the article is not conform to the current quality standards; information should be written in the present tense, speculation, fanon and dramatic writing styles should be absent.--vellidragon 15:15, 18 May 2010 (EDT)

Different in SMB3?

The article currently says that Luigi controls differently in Super Mario Bros. 3 (as he does in some other games). I have never heard such a thing (aside from Super Mario Advance 4, of course) but am in no position to test, currently. Does anyone have any evidence that this is the case? --HeroicJay 06:44, 25 May 2010 (EDT)

I'm pretty sure that Luigi plays exactly the same as Mario in SMB3. --Grandy02 06:56, 25 May 2010 (EDT)

So am I, but like I said, unable to test, myself, currently. --HeroicJay 13:25, 25 May 2010 (EDT)

No, really, does anyone have any evidence of this? I'm really thinking that it was added by someone who owns SMA4 and got confused. --HeroicJay 02:20, 31 May 2010 (EDT)

I have SMA4. Only reason I edited that Luigi controls differently is because another editor said so and I'm sorta more Sonic-ish than Mario-ish... but I've seen some videos on Youtube and in the original SMB3, Luigi didn't seem to slip or slide any more than Mario did, and I'm pretty sure jump height is the same. I'll try to get it for the Virtual Console and see if I spot any differences. Sorry if I began (or continued...) any confusion. --SuperSonicRider 22:37, 31 May 2010 (EDT)

2 Sections

How come there are 2 sections named "Super Mario World"? I think one of them has to be renamed. Happy Halloween!

There are two sections because there are two things named 'Super Mario World". The sub-sections of History that they are listed under make it pretty clear which one's which: the one in the "Super Mario series" section is about the game Super Mario World and the other one, in the "DIC cartoons" section, is about the cartoon Super Mario World. It doesn't disrupt wiki navigation either (if you want to link straight to the second one, type Luigi#Super_Mario_World_2, while Luigi#Super_Mario_World goes to the first; the TOC works fine as well). It's not a problem and no renaming is necessary. - Walkazo 23:12, 15 January 2011 (EST)

Merge Casanova Koopa with Luigi

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merge 6-1
This proposal is to merge Cassanova Koopa with Luigi. I tried this a couple weeks ago, but it was confusing. But I got the hang of it. Anyway, I think we should merge these two pages because if Kootie Pie's human form should be put in Wendy O's page than so should Cassanova Koopa with Luigi.

Proposer:Tails777 (talk)
Deadline: February 16, 2011, 23:59 GMT

Support

1. Zero777 (talk) I am Zero! Yeah, why was that removed, anyways, per proposal. Zero signing out.
2. Marioguy1 (talk) - Casanova Koopa is not notable enough to get its own article when there is an alternative way to do this.
3. Supremo78 (talk) If Casanova Koopa is a form of Luigi that was used, it should be included in his article, just like Mr. L is included in Luigi's article.
4. SWFlash (talk) Per Marioguy.
5. Walkazo (talk) - Per all. We merged Leo Luster, so we should merge this too.
6. Pokémon Trainer Mario (talk) - Per all. It's a stub that someone forgot to stub.

Oppose

1. Bowser's luma (talk) Leo Luster was just whichever Kong who's name escapes me in a costume. If I'm not mistaken, Casanova Koopa is Luigi in a magical transformation.

Comments

I put it in the wrong place. Tails777 (talk)

Where's the Cassanova Koopa article? I can't find it ._. Marioguy1 (talk)

I am Zero! I also tried to look for Casanova Koopa.... Zero signing out. Zero777 (talk)

I might have mispelled the word. I have bad spelling. Sorry. And if Casanova Koopa and Luigi are different, why isn't there a page for Kootie Pie's human form?Tails777 (talk)

I am Zero! @AnimalCrossingCool Please specify that a little more or else the vote is invalid. Zero signing out. Zero777 (talk)

Robo Koopa. It's a featured article, and an alter-ego. If we have that article, why can't we have this one? And for an example with Luigi, Mr. L. Hello, I'm Time Turner.

It's probably going by the logic that merged Leo Luster with Bluster Kong. I personally would love to see all those personae merged into King Koopa's alter egos (but maybe give the chart a "summary" section to briefly describe each alter-ego and its role in the corresponding episode). Most of them don't have articles yet anyway, and I feel that lengthy summaries like on Robo Koopa are a bit unnecessary: people can just read the episode summaries. Video game alter-egos have a bit more to stand on, seeing as their summaries aren't just rehashing a single game's summary, in most cases, but I'd be fine with merging things like Dark Fawful, Bowletta, Shrowser and possibly even Mr. L, although given the fact that "Mr. L" played such an important role in SPM, I'd also be fine with that article staying. Same deal with Dr. Mario: he's not a one-hit wonder, and not giving him his own page would look like an omission on our part. - Walkazo 10:40, 4 February 2011 (EST)

In my opinion, Robo Koopa should be merged as it is not notable enough to warrant its own article. But Bowletta, Dark Fawful (don't know who Shrowser is) and Mr. L are all main villains of a game. Robo Koopa appeared as the villain during one episode of a TV show. Bowletta, Dark Fawful, etc. are the main villains of their own games. They should remain split (IMO). Marioguy1 (talk)

Slitghly off topic, but King Koopa has quite a few pages on his alter-egos. We even listed them: King Koopa's alter egos. Since this will pass, should we delete/merge these alter-egos? Hello, I'm Time Turner.

I am Zero! @Bowser'sLuma What difference does that make? They're both just changing their look. Your vote in invalid. Zero signing out. Zero777 (talk)

Parent category

Luigi is listed under the Parents category. Did I miss or just forget about something? --Dus T. 16:14, 29 November 2011 (EST)

I believe the category is for maternal or paternal relationships, not just biological parenthood, so that's probably it. Bop1996 _(Talk)

In the super mario world tv show he was Yoshis adopted Mama/father Raven Effect (talk)

Luigi isn't really a parent because he isn't married and Yoshi calls him "mama Lugi" because Luigi found himWorld 6 (talk) 05:04, 29 August 2012 (EDT)

Quote

I think we should change the current quote with a different one. My personal suggestion is "I'm my bro's bro!". If anyone either supports or opposes this, or has a different suggestion, please comment below.{{User:M&LM&L Baby_mario.gif 22:27, 16 January 2012 (EST)}}

• "And that's Mama Luigi to you, Mario!"
• "I hope she makes us lotsa spaghetti!"
• "Lucky I found a magic balloon!'"

Nope...they probably won't work. {{subst:nosubst|User:YL/sig}} 06:53, 20 April 2012 (EDT)

Artwork

Perhaps [1] this one? And it doesn't matter that he is holding coins because we used Wario's MP8 artwork for awhile which had him holding coins.
Plus, it would go with Mario's well.
YoshiCookie (talk) 10:15, 10 December 2015 (EST)

Split a SMG Luigi into a new article

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split neither 0-5-14
This kinda came up incidentally in a discussion on Boom Boom's talk page, and I think it's a valid point. There are two Luigis in Super Mario Galaxy, and they look different. Therefore, one of them should be split to a different page, Luigi (Super Mario Galaxy), kinda like the Pink Donkey Kong Jr. article, though the differences are far more drastic there. I think the important question is which one, however.

Proposer: 1337star (talk)
Deadline: January 15, 2013, 23:59 GMT.

Split the NPC Luigi

1. Walkazo (talk) - They look different (not as different than Pink DKJr., but it's better than nothing), talk to each other, and Rosalina calls the extra one Luigi's "twin". Yeah, the game doesn't really get into it much beyond that, but like we always say, there's nothing wrong with a short article if there's not much info to go on. Speculating about the how and why of the Luigi twin would be wrong, but we don't have to do that to get an article out of the subject. Plus, as we've seen with the recent pushes for level articles and whatnot, it's good to have lots of articles - as long as they're about worthwhile subjects, and this little quirk seems worthy to me (and maybe other people think it's interesting too, and try to look up info about it on Google). Regarding some of the opposition (not including the votes that don't know what the TPP is even about), like I said on the Boom Boom talk page, comparing SSB game mechanics to the Super Mario series is apples and oranges: it doesn't matter what your in-universe beliefs are, this matter simply isn't anything like the duplicate fighters of SSB. This also doesn't mean something must be done about the extra Mario in DKJr., because again, it's not the same situation: SMG treats the extra Luigi as an extra Luigi, but to my knowledge, DKJr. doesn't treat the other Mario as... anything, really, so even asserting that it is meant to be a second Mario would be speculation - unlike the extra Luigi, there isn't really anything that could be cobbled together into a factual article, AFAIK: no dialogue, no difference in appearance, no lampshade-hanging, no nothing. But this? This has stuff to go on, and we should, y'know, go on it.
2. Pokémon Trainer Red (talk) Per Walkazo
3. Mario4Ever (talk) Per Walkazo.
4. Tails777 (talk) Per Walkazo
5. Aokage (talk) Per Walkazo.

Split neither (a.k.a. do nothing)

1. Brock (talk) Oppose: there is no reason to split a single character by game. He is still the same character. If you must, you can create a paragraph referring to said character on his character page referring to any differences in personality/characterization/etc on his page. Anything specific to the games belongs in the games articles themselves, not on a separate character page. ~Brock.
2. Marshal Dan Troop (talk) No what's next splitting paper mario because he looks different, splitting the Mario in DKJR because there are two of them, splitting Luigi in Wrecking Crew because he's purple, creating a Mario (species) page again because there's multiple Mario's in smash bros. I guess what i'm saying is that I oppose because Nintendo gives no confirmation that they are different characters.
3. RandomYoshi (talk) — They are still the same character. Luigi is an NPC in many, many games. Does that mean that every time he is an NPC, the page should be split? No, it doesn't. Just as long as we have it confirmed that it's Luigi, which we in fact have in this case, it should stay on the same page.
4. Bop1996 (talk) Per all
5. Smasher (talk) - Per all.
6. Sunscreen (talk) - Per all.
7. World10 (talk) Per all.
8. 1337star (talk) Whatever, I don't care anymore. I still feel that they are separate characters, and the game itself says this, but this proposal obviously won't go anywhere. Per all, I guess.
9. Zero777 (talk) Oppose, and not for any of the above reasons, which I believe are wrong, except for one. I believe splitting it up will make the SMG Luigi article very unprofessional, with little info on it besides cosmetic differences; it's not article-worthy is basically what I am saying. This kind of information belongs in a small explanation on Luigi's article and/or the SMG article.
10. BowserJunior (talk) Per all.
11. BabyLuigiOnFire (talk) Per all
12. NewSMBU (talk) Are you sure the two Luigis are so different because they talk to each other and Rosalina calls the clone Luigi's twin, so they must be split?
13. MegaKoopa (talk) They're almost the same one...
14. Gamefreak75 (talk) Per all.

Comments

To the (surprisingly numerous in quite a short span of time!) people opposing: how do you account for the fact that dialogue supports that the two Luigis are different people? Or that the two Luigis look different? -- 1337star ^{(Mailbox SP)} 14:38, 1 January 2013 (EST)

Well, 1337star, how do you define that they look different? Doesn't the Luigi from Super Mario Bros. look different from the Luigi found in Paper Mario, for example? Should they then be split into different articles, as well? RandomYoshi^{(Talk • PMs • C)} 14:48, 1 January 2013 (EST)

But those Luigis aren't in the same game at the same time. These are. And, to stem off the Super Smash Bros. argument, those aren't the actual characters, but toys (the first game) or trophies (Melee and Brawl), rather than real, flesh-and-blood people. -- 1337star ^{(Mailbox SP)} 14:56, 1 January 2013 (EST)

To my understanding, you think that splitting this article because something you, a fan, saw that is not confirmed by any official source ever from Nintendo, where this Wiki takes all of its information from and considers canotial information. There is no policy backing up your claims here. We cannot conclude that they are different characters until Nintendo has confirmed the opposite, so for now we'll let this article be. RandomYoshi^{(Talk • PMs • C)} 15:01, 1 January 2013 (EST)

No 1337 you are wrong according to the wiki Smash Bros. is canon therefore those are in fact Luigi's that you are fighting. Marshal Dan Troop (talk)

I didn't say Super Smash Bros. isn't canon. I said that the Luigi (and other characters) in that game aren't the same as in the main Mario series, by the simple fact that he's a toy/trophy and not a real human being (and no, I don't think the Smash Bros. info should be split. Trophy!Luigi and real!Luigi don't appear in the same game.) I'm pretty sure there's something somewhere on the Dojo that says something to this effect, though I don't feel like looking due to this not being all that relevant here. -- 1337star ^{(Mailbox SP)} 15:32, 1 January 2013 (EST)

The thing is, the game doesn't offer any reason why there are two Luigis there at all, so there's not really anything we can say to claim anything other than there's a Luigi in exactly the same place and situations the Luigi in Mario's SMG storyline is, which is what we already do. It's almost impossible to claim anything else about the two Luigis without falling into speculation simply because of how lightly the game treats the subject, and that's really all there is to it. Bop1996 _(Talk)

I personally don't see how this situation is different than Donkey Kong Jr./Pink Donkey Kong Jr., but whatever. Consensus is obviously against this, so I'm unofficially withdrawing it (can't officially withdraw it because there's too many votes). -- 1337star ^{(Mailbox SP)} 15:32, 1 January 2013 (EST)

I think most of the people didn't understand the proposal. In Super Mario Galaxy, we can see two different Luigi at the same time. They even talk to each other. They look a bit different. The proposal is not "Well, in SMG Luigi is a bit different so we should split" but "Well, in SMG there are two Luigis different, so we should split".
Banon (talk · edits) 15:52, 1 January 2013 (EST)

1337star, you could just delete this or ask an admin to, since you're even voting against your own proposal. Aokage (talk) 16:29, 1 January 2013 (EST)

"To the (surprisingly numerous in quite a short span of time!)"

Looking at the voters, what probably happened is that someone on the chat dropped a link here based on the title and the usual suspects voted en masse without actually bothering to read the description. Business as usual.

Anyway, I'll just echo what Bop1996 said, I don't feel a split is necessary as what you can essentialy say about the 2nd Luigi is "There's a 2nd Luigi in some missions in Super Mario Galaxy. He has slightly different textures and the game treat him as a separate character". Nothing that isn't already stated with enough depth in the SMG section of this article, imo. --Glowsquid (talk) 16:37, 1 January 2013 (EST)

An admin should remove most the oppose votes. They clearly didn't understand this proposal. Aokage (talk) 14:48, 4 January 2013 (EST)

Or how about we still disagree with Walkazo. Just because we have a different opinion on this doesn't mean we should go on the same side as you. Ray Trace^(T|C)

People didn't read the proposal and thought this was about splitting the galaxy Luigi because he's NPC or something (see Brock and RandomYoshi; others just went "Per all"). No. This about splitting the other Luigi because there's TWO LUIGIS. They should atleast read the proposal and clarify their opinion. Aokage (talk) 14:10, 5 January 2013 (EST)

Even so, I still believe the article is fine the way it is Ray Trace^(T|C) 16:52, 6 January 2013 (EST)

Luigi's Mansion

Hey I have a question. Is Luigi's Mansion considered a series? Pokebub (talk) 00:05, 8 April 2013 (EDT)

More of a sequel.

--L151 00:10, 8 April 2013 (EDT)

A sequel to what, exactly? SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 13:19, December 19, 2022 (CST)

Year of Luigi

Should there be a separate page for Year of Luigi? The page could keep track of all the games released for Luigi and info about year of luigi. Pokebub (talk) 17:43, 17 April 2013 (EDT)

Year of the Luigi sounds as an informal name Nintendo conceived. Mario^-HOHO! (Talk / Stalk) 00:07, 18 April 2013 (EDT)

New picture for info box

I personally think we should change it to the artwork for Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon. First of all it's Luigi's most recent new artwork and second it's from a game where Luigi is the main star. Tails777 Talk to me!

I think we should let it stay, since the art style for Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon depicts Luigi as a clay model or something, and I don't think other Luigi artwork will adopt that texture.

Mario^-HOHO! (Talk / Stalk) 21:38, 24 April 2013 (EDT)

Typo in Luigi's description

In the last paragraph of "Creation and Development", it states that the Year of Luigi is celebrating his thirteenth anniversary. It should actually say thirtieth.

With this typo, it seems as if Luigi was created in 2000 instead of 1983. That's a little funny, actually...

--108.74.227.102 20:30, 29 July 2013 (EDT) Connor the Pegasus

Thanks M a r i oredgoldred 20:33, 29 July 2013 (EDT)

Parents?

Luigi has the Parents category on his article... Explain to me exactly when Luigi was shown to have children? -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 21:49, 13 August 2013 (EDT)

"Thats Mama Luigi to you" Taken out of contex I'd expect.-----
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.19.157.227 (talk).

Trivia on the recent Q&A with Luigi

Should we add trivia about questioned answered during the recent Q&A with Luigi where Luigi answered questions in real time? Some of those answers pretty interesting like the fact that hes kept of every coin he's collected over his adventures (782,942,872,943) and others are about his relations with daisy and how he thinks Pikachu is a cute pokemon. Since the person answering for luigi was the voice actor I'm pretty sure we can't accept things as cannon but that doesn't mean we can't have it in the trivia section.--75.19.157.227 01:19, 22 October 2013 (EDT)

Link to this? Ray Trace^(T|C) 02:16, 22 October 2013 (EDT)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwfC9_AgDnQ --75.20.190.208 13:52, 28 October 2013 (EDT)

Oh! This is really cool! Mind if I use this video to add some quotes to the Luigi quote page? I've never seen Luigi talk before, so yes, this will reveal quite some of his personality. Mario^-HOHO! (Talk / Stalk) 00:07, 30 October 2013 (EDT)

First appearance

Shouldn't it be DKjr, not Mario Bros? Granted in DKjr he didn't have his trademark green clothes yet, instead dressing identically to Mario, but who else could it possibly have been helping Mario with the captured Donkey Kong? Then when they made Mario Bros and brought him back they had to make him look different since it was 2 player simultaneous and players had to know who was who, so they changed his coloring, but he definitely had to be the "2nd Mario" in DKjr even if all his trademark characteristics hadn't been ironed out yet (sort of how Mario was called Jumpman in the first DK, but it's still Mario's first appearance).76.226.130.212 20:41, 17 January 2014 (EST)

Unfortunately, we don't have enough evidence to prove that the Mario clone is the biological clone (aka twin brother Luigi). Nintendo has also asserted multiple times that Mario Bros. is Luigi's first appearance as well, from trophy descriptions to Year of the Luigi itself. Mario^-HOHO! (Talk / Stalk) 20:49, 17 January 2014 (EST)

Perhaps, if the Mario from DK & DK Jr. is Mario(the plumber)'s father, the other Mario is his father(Mario(the plumber)'s grandfather). SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 1:53, December 9, 2022 (CST)

Adding E. Gadd to Luigi's friends

Should E. Gadd be somewhere in there? I mean in the 2 major games they appear in together, they seem to act as close friends. Tails777 Talk to me!

Well, I don't know, but E. Gadd seems to trust and look up to Luigi. I'd say that it's more of a trusted worker-boss relationship. Mario^-HOHO! (Talk / Stalk) 00:27, 10 February 2014 (EST)

"I hope she made us lotsa spaghetti" is a better quote

Its a better quote - SamanthaJohnson

From the cartoons - SamanthaJohnson

Please use or respond - SamanthaJohnson

• It's popular just because it's a cheesy meme.
• It's not from the cartoons.
• We won't use it.

Mario^-HOHO! (Talk / Stalk) 19:49, 14 April 2014 (EDT)

It's actually from Hotel Mario, not any of the cartoons. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 13:54, December 9, 2022 (CST)

Hello

Hello guys, i don't understand why i can't edit. In the section "Nicknames" say "Luigi is unknown", apparently somebody edited their research original, Luigi is the icon sidekick in Mario franchise... can someone fixed that, because their wiki looks poor and edited by haters, and i think in the wiki's image, Mario and Luigi are the stars, and together are one of the most famous videogames characters. Thanks. Please fix that. Jola (talk) 22:22, 8 June 2014 (EDT)

Paper Mario

At the end of Paper Mario, when the brothers go to Peach's Castle again, Luigi goes first and say it's top secret. Is that notable? 122.189.240.166 03:58, 28 July 2014 (EDT)

He was hiding the fact that he was going to lead the parade. That's not really that notable. - 04:28, 28 July 2014 (EDT)

Luigi's Death Stare

I heard about Luigi staring at his victims in Mario Kart 8. If you want talk about this, feel free to edit. 180.254.179.58

First, nix the font changers. Second, we are NOT going to cover that in Mario Wiki. Ray Trace^(T|C) 23:38, 22 August 2014 (EDT)

Oops! Sorry for the formatting. I just watch a video about this meme in Youtube. 180.254.179.58 23:45, 22 August 2014 (EDT)

Btw, why have we got coverage on "Weegee" but not the Death stare? - 02:37, 23 August 2014 (EDT)

Because "Weegee" is a classic. Still, not too fond of internet memes. Personally, I think the page should stick to Mario games. Sudowoodo(talk) 04:31, 23 August 2014 (EDT)

But it is the history of LUIGI! AND, the page also covers non-game appearances. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 13:56, December 9, 2022 (CST)

Problem

There is a white line through the first sentence, is that just my device? -Cool190 (Talk · Contribs)

it is. -Cool190 (Talk · Contribs)22:18, 17 June 2015 (EDT)

Quote

I think Luigi deserves a better highlighted quote than the one posted already. What about one of his lines from Mario Kart 64? How about more recent ones such as "Oh yeah, Luigi like-a that!" from Mario Party 7, or even his first line in Super Maio 3D World where he ends it with "Go Green"? They sound much better than the quote from Fortune Street and Luigi has famous lines just as good as Mario's It's a me, Mario! Marino13 (talk) 04:26, 17 March 2016 (EDT)

We're not using this quote because it's "famous". We're using it because it gives some insight into Luigi's character and personality, which is probably what I should have said in the edit summary, but oh well.

-Toa 95 (talk)

The Number 2 Guy

Is it appropriate to say that Luigi is the deuteragonist of the Mario franchise, since he's considered to be number 2 to the main guy Mario? (talk)

No, but deuterprotagonist is okay. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 13:57, December 9, 2022 (CST)

Luigi is silent

Okay, guys, I am very much convinced that Luigi is overall a silent character just like Mario, and for the most part, he's only a little bit more talkative than Mario. The only games where he really speaks are the Mario Galaxy games and the first three Paper Mario games. Other than that, he just speaks like Mario: silent, gibberish, grunts and yells, or not at all. Because of this, he should have a "silent" quote just like Mario does. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 21:49, 14 December 2017 (EST)

I don't follow that logic.

Ultimate Mr. L (Talk-Contribs-Stats) 23:14, 14 December 2017 (EST)

What do you mean, you don't follow that logic? What logic do you follow then? Or better yet, what's wrong with my logic in the first place? I hope you answer me correctly, or else you run the risk of getting jumbled up with Dimentio again! :) Lcrossmk8 (talk) 00:09, 18 December 2017 (EST)

lolwut.....anyways, he's silent in games where everyone pantomimes everything, but he's by far the more vocal of the two. Also, you leave out the first Luigi's Mansion, and even then, most games in the series have the main protagonist(s) not say all that much. He also talks in many of the older instruction manuals, especially for Super Mario RPG. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:19, 18 December 2017 (EST)

What I don't follow is why we need to have a shallow quote just because Luigi doesn't talk as much as other characters. Barely anyone talks at all in the 2D platformers, but that doesn't affect anything. Toad's quote isn't "Oh no!" The whole point of the quote to give a bit of insight into the character's personality and a shallow, generic-sounding quote doesn't do that.

Ultimate Mr. L (Talk-Contribs-Stats) 00:21, 18 December 2017 (EST)

@Doc von Schmeltwick: Yeah, I know, but that's it. Other than that, he talks just like Mario. It's not that much of a gap at all. And besides, we're only counting games here, not instruction manuals. Yeah, I know, but if the character doesn't talk in the game, then he or she just doesn't talk in that game. And Black Lightning, if that is the case, then why do we have a silent quote for Mario? Is it because he doesn't have a personality at all? That's just bull right there. He does have a personality, it's just very simple and not expanded not very much. I feel like Luigi, although being more human and distinct, is just like Mario for the most part. After all, the Mario Bros are twins, after all. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 00:30, 18 December 2017 (EST)

Because Mario never gets deep dialog outside of supplemental material, which takes a backseat regarding what is the "main" interpretation by creators. Also, twins can (obviosuly) have extremely different personalities, or even amounts thereof. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:35, 18 December 2017 (EST)

I am a twin, an identical twin nonetheless raised in the same house, can speak for myself that my personality is very distinct from my twin, despite also sharing some similarities. Ray Trace^(T|C) 00:59, 18 December 2017 (EST)

Here's my two cents: You can't say Luigi is 100% silent (we're talking Link silent) if he talks in Paper Mario. One can say whenever you play as Luigi, he qualifies as a silent protagonist, but when you hear about his adventures in The Thousand-Year Door or hear him mumbling about furniture in the original Luigi's Mansion, or all those lines in Fortune Street, I guess, you cannot say Luigi is just one of Nintendo's silent protagonists. - AwdryFan1997(Talk)

Mario + Rabbids not on here

Where is the section for Mario + Rabbids? Wariopig (talk) 15:17, 13 January 2018 (EST)Wariopig

Mario and Luigi

On Mario’s page it mentions that his species is Homo Nintendonus. By this logic Luigi’s page should be altered to reflect their shared species as they are brother who presumably share parents.

Additionally we should change all humans in the Mario and Luigi series to H. Nitendonus (or however it is spelled in the booklet that the Mario page is referencing) as this would better reflect the canon of the Mario Brothers. Fallennorth (talk) 04:33, November 22, 2019 (EST)

Yeah, about that whole canon thing...

Besides, such a reference to Mario's 'species' comes from an old character bible used by Nintendo of America specifically; it was written and used for an internal reference in 1993, and nothing has been mentioned of it since then, and I'd imagine there's at least more stuff referring to Mario as human in comparison. It makes little sense to speculate as a result, especially with such a rarely used and outdated source. -- Lord G. matters. 04:40, November 22, 2019 (EST)

Indeed, that source wasn’t from Nintendo in Japan, and Nintendo of America itself didn’t use its content at all to create bios and the like, ignoring it if it creates inconsistencies would be fine actually.—Mister Wu (talk) 06:20, November 22, 2019 (EST)

Only Appearance

The part that says that Hotel Mario was Luigi's only appearance on the CD-I should be changed because Hotel Mario was the only Mario game to be released for the system. Mario Takes America & Super Mario's Wacky Worlds were both cancelled. I'manumber1 (talk) 17:40, February 6, 2022 (EST)

This is probably just a joke but...

In this issue of Nintendo Power it says Luigi was "too busy tinkering on his kart" to appear in Mario 64. It's probably just a joke but maybe we could add it? https://preview.redd.it/bqlpxw2ju0e51.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=aa3efabe7f89e5498806cec483189fe7827e0e28 I'manumber1 (talk) 15:42, February 9, 2022 (EST)

(Golddude64) Wasn’t he in Mario kart 64?

Super Mario 64, not Mario Kart 64. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:52, May 30, 2024 (EDT)

Could someone please add this to the Trivia section about Luigi’s name being the Italian form of Ludwig? Since well there is a Koopaling with the name Ludwig

It’s true I found this out not to long ago here’s the source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luigi_(name)) I just want someone to add this line (Coincidentally Luigi’s name is the Italian form of the name Ludwig meaning technically speaking Luigi and Ludwig share the same name) I have already added this to Ludwig Von Koopa’s article and I would do the same here but of course I cannot do that myself. 35.137.237.68 (talk)

It's just a coincidence as you said, and not notable enough to include on the article. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 13:26, September 30, 2022 (EDT)

Grammatical error in Family BASIC

"While Luigi is not included as one the usable sprites" should be "While Luigi is not included as one of the usable sprites". 93.115.28.181 18:41, November 12, 2022 (EST)

Thank you. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 11:39, May 08, 2023 (CST)

Appearences by Date

I would be nice to give Luigi a "List of appearences by date" section like his brother.
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wonderman23 (talk).

No Appearances List?

Why doesn't Luigi have an appearances list yet? I mean, Mario, Bowser, Princess Peach, Princess Daisy, Wario, Waluigi, Toad, Yoshi and Birdo all have one, why doesn't Luigi?

I say we should start making one! Beefhead (talk · edits)

Then go ahead. Mario JC 12:22, March 26, 2024 (EDT)

HUGE image...

So I tried putting Luigi's artwork from Super Mario Party Jamboree in place of his Mario Party Superstars artwork, and the image is so big that the article can't even show a quarter of it in one screen. Is there any way I can fix this?

Edit: I fixed it by adding "|250px" at the end of the file name.

Its-A-Me-Austin (talk) 18:27, September 12, 2024 (EDT)

Split Luigi's Twin from Luigi

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Do not split Luigi's Twin from Luigi 2-3-17
This split was brought up more than a decade ago in this proposal but the proposer failed to clarify what he meant and it was misinterpreted by those who opposed it. When playing as Luigi in Super Mario Galaxy, the NPC Luigi that you'd normally rescue when playing as Mario still shows up and has completely different dialogue when speaking to the playable Luigi. Rosalina refers to the NPC Luigi as the playable Luigi's "twin". This would mean the inverse would be true as well; The playable Luigi is the NPC Luigi's twin. For those who opposed in the past proposal on this topic, this proposal would not be splitting every appearance of Luigi into different articles, it would only be splitting the Luigi who quite literally appears in the same room as the playable Luigi. The playable and NPC Luigi have different heights and one is silent and is more brave and courageous whereas the other is more cautious and has a lot to say. Regarding which Luigi to split into the Luigi's Twin article, we could split either into the article since there is not confirmation on which is the real Luigi and which is the impostor. However, I would consider the playable Luigi to be the "twin" since the NPC Luigi's actions are much more accurate to Luigi's character and we see Luigi show up in Super Mario Galaxy 2 as an NPC before said NPC is later unlocked as a playable character.

Proposer: Pizza Master (talk)
Deadline: October 13, 2024, 23:59 GMT

Support (Split playable Luigi from "Super Luigi Galaxy" campaign as Luigi's Twin)

1. Pizza Master (talk) Per my proposal.
2. FanOfYoshi (talk) Per proposal.

Support (Split NPC Luigi as Luigi's Twin)

1. Pizza Master (talk) Secondary choice.
2. Camwoodstock (talk) This makes more sense to us, personally. The idea seems to be that the NPC Luigi is the "Twin", while the Luigi you play as is just Luigi. The memetic pop-up does say "You can now play as Luigi", after all, not "You can now play as Luigi's Twin" or anything like that. If we have to give this weird phenomenon an article (and to be honest here, we think it has some merit covering this weirdness in its own article), this feels like the simpler--and probably more logical--split to make.
3. FanOfYoshi (talk) Secondary choice, per all.

Oppose

1. Nintendo101 (talk) This proposal misapplies a narrative framing device in Super Mario Galaxy made by the developers to justify the inclusion of a playable Luigi - a decision made when the game was nearly completed, with the original intent being that the NPC Luigi would be the only Luigi - to suggest one of these Luigis is a discrete character from the other. This is not the case. It is not supported in the game's script or its paratext (guidebook, booklet, interview, encyclopedia, official websites, etc.), and does not consider the fact that there have been multiple iterations of the same character on screen throughout the franchise's history — from Donkey Kong Jr. to the ScareScraper mode in Luigi's Mansion 3. Both playable and non-playable iterations of Luigi in Super Mario Galaxy are the same character, and neither should receive a dedicated article from the other.
2. Hewer (talk) From what I can gather, the game treats them both as Luigi and is very vague about the matter, to the point that any split would feel speculative (the whole last sentence of this proposal is pure speculation, which isn't a good sign). It's possible to have more than one of the same character; the logic of "there's two of them so they must be separate characters" (also used for the former "Boom Boom species" split) shouldn't be applied to a franchise like this one that often doesn't bother trying to make narrative sense, hence the "don't read between the lines" rule. Also note that both of the other cases brought up in the original proposal, Boom Boom and Pink Donkey Kong Jr., have since been merged (the latter being especially notable given the "Junior (II)" distinction in the manual, comparable to the "twin" thing).
3. Nightwicked Bowser (talk) Per all
4. Arend (talk) This is practically Pink DK Jr. all over again, except that Luigi's twin is colored the same as well. Per all.
5. Sdman213 (talk) Per all.
6. SolemnStormcloud (talk) Per all.
7. ThePowerPlayer (talk) Per all, and especially per what they did to my beloved Pink Donkey Kong Jr.
8. Sparks (talk) Per all.
9. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) - Would we even know which one is the "main" Luigi? It's speculative from that especially. (Granted, this makes me want to re-examine the Paper Jam situation...)
10. Shy Guy on Wheels (talk) Per all. I really don't see this as any different from multiple people being able to play as Luigi in Mario Kart or Smash. The Pink Donkey Kong Jr. comparison is very apt as well.
11. Jdtendo (talk) They are two incarnations of Luigi, and we cannot know for sure which one is the twin. By the way, there is already a page about Luigi's twin.
12. PrincessPeachFan (talk) See Dr. Mario.
13. EvieMaybe (talk) per Nintendo101 and Hewer by the way, there is already a page about pink donkey kong jr..
14. Mario (talk) Luigi's twin is me, Mario!!! Per all!!!
15. YoYo (talk) See it like this, if I was playing Mario Kart as Bowser, and I encounter another Bowser, does that suddenly mean we should create a page for both Bowsers? It's the same character it's just two instances of them, arguably "Super Luigi Galaxy" isn't "canon".
16. TheFlameChomp (talk) Per all.
17. Killer Moth (talk) Per all.

Comments

Camwoodstock's argument makes sense as a (mostly) non-speculative way to split the two Luigis. Also, the NPC Luigi is actually referred to by something other than simply Luigi ("your twin" by Rosalina) that would imply that the two characters are different people unlike with "Pink Donkey Kong Jr./Jr (II)" where the Pink one is just implied to be the P2 version of DKJR. Also, the playable Luigi races against Cosmic Luigi and functions almost identically to Mario whereas the NPC Luigi does their own thing and finds hidden stars that the player can't find. NPC Luigi (or Luigi's twin) in this argument functions more as a mechanic of the game than the actual Luigi and therefore should be documented as a minor mechanic (that is also a character) of Super Mario Galaxy akin to the Co-Star Luma or Allies of the Mario Party series.-- Pizza Master 16:53, September 29, 2024 (EDT)

Any speculation should ideally be avoided, big or small. And Luigi's roles (and degree of similarity to Mario) vary often between games. Luigi being an NPC side character is hardly unheard of (Super Mario Odyssey, Mario RPG, most Paper Mario games, etc.). Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 17:02, September 29, 2024 (EDT)

At least in our vote's case, we would appreciate a split for the Luigi NPC that happens to also be there if you, yourself, are playing as Luigi; since Rosalina claims it's his twin, and that seems to be about as official explanation as we're about to get. We do admit that this is a comically niche article, but we still think it has more merit than Junior (II), who was quite literally just a palette swap that received zero acknowledgement as being unique outside the manual. In contrast, the "duplicate" NPC Luigi being described as the playable Luigi's twin is given a direct comment. ~Camwoodstock (talk) 03:25, September 30, 2024 (EDT)

@Camwoodstock I personally do not think there should be any split because I think it misrepresents Super Mario Galaxy and Luigi's roles in the game. However, if anything, the NPC is the one designed to be the only Luigi in the game and has his traditional proportions. The playable one was a late addition to the title, and has the same model as Mario to make it easier to include. All they did was replace his head with the NPC Luigi's. - Nintendo101 (talk) 18:44, September 30, 2024 (EDT)

@Camwoodstock @Hewer @FanOfYoshi @Nintendo101 @Nightwicked Bowser @Arend @Sdman213 @SolemnStormcloud @ThePowerPlayer @Sparks @Doc von Schmeltwick Ok, if we don't do this, what about converting the Super Luigi Galaxy redirect into an actual article that goes over all the differences in Luigi's "campaign" like visual changes, dialogue changes, text changes, gameplay, and mission changes, etc.-- Pizza Master 22:46, September 29, 2024 (EDT)

That would be like treating it as a re-release or DLC which it isn't, it's just playing through the exact same game again with a different character and dialogue and level name changes to accomodate it (mostly just changing "Mario" to "Luigi"). The Cosmic Clones' behavior in the races is the only real difference. Nightwicked Bowser 07:54, September 30, 2024 (EDT)

Should we split the playable Dr. Mario from Super Smash Bros as a separate character from his regular page then? After all, he's clearly a separate character from Mario. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 12:48, September 30, 2024 (EDT)

...Dr. Mario is its own page. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:53, September 30, 2024 (EDT)

@Pizza Master modes typically do no receive dedicated articles, and I also do not think this one would really benefit from having one. Very little changes when the player takes control of Luigi. It is not a fundamentally different campaign, unlike things like Bowser's Fury or New Super Luigi U. - Nintendo101 (talk) 18:44, September 30, 2024 (EDT)

I see. -- Pizza Master 19:10, September 30, 2024 (EDT)

"The secondary protagonist of the Super Mario franchise"

I agree wholeheartedly that Luigi is the second biggest figure in the franchise, but, not to be a nerd here, I think the better term would be "deuteragonist", as the deuteragonist is the second most important character in a story, and that's basically what Luigi is. That would make "deuteragonist" and "secondary protagonist" the same thing. 98.114.59.56 17:41, December 13, 2024 (EST)

I believe the terminology has been used before for this article but editors favored "secondary protagonist" due to being less jargony; "deuteragonist" is not a very common term. Mario^-HOHO! (Talk / Stalk) 17:49, December 13, 2024 (EST)