Talk:Poltergust
Poltergust, Poltergust, Poltergust
I have to say, I find the splitting of the different games' Poltergusts a bit silly. I mean, I get why it's the case, and I don't really have any good arguments otherwise. Still, it's splitting the same (fairly important!) recurring element of the series across different pages because of what amounts to a cute naming quirk. A cute naming quirk that only exists in the first place because the original English name "Poltergust 3000" happens to imply that other versions would have different names not ending in "3000". I'm not sure where I'm going with this. I guess I'd just like to read someone else's thoughts on this. Blinker (talk) 18:19, January 4, 2025 (EST)
- With the exception of Super Poltergust 3001, which is shown existing at the same time as the 3000 (and has a different JP name, unlike every other one), I agree. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:31, January 4, 2025 (EST)
- The only one I personally think is fine being split is the MKDS kart. It's not used in the same way as any of the others. I guess the Super Poltergust 3001 is also fine, Doc's comment on it existing at the same time as the OG model is a point in its favor, but the Poltergusts used in the LM series overall, I feel they could be their own article. I am a bit torn on the fact that they have different functions. Less so for the Dark Moon iteration, all it's functions basically return in the G-00 model, but the 3000 has the elemental functions, the G-00 has the hyper suction thing, so I also agree that it's hard to really say they can be merged.
Tails777 Talk to me!
20:34, January 4, 2025 (EST)
- To be honest, the different functions aren't that big a deal. The games already establish that it's possible to upgrade the Poltergust by physically adding different bits and bobs, like the strobulb, the dark light device, even Gooigi. Anyways, I decided to look into the English and Japanese text in LM2 to see how the thing is introduced, and as usual, it's a mess. I may as well copy that here, although beware of typos. The English version says "Ah, you've found it! Good work, Luigi. That there is the new-and-improved Poltergust 5000!", while the Japanese version says 『ル・・ジくん・・・ルイージくん / わしじゃオヤ・マーじゃ / フェッ フェッ フェッ！ / 無事に見つけられたようじゃのう / さすがは ルイージくん！ / そうじゃ / それがわしの発明した掃除機！ / その名も / 「オバキューム」じゃ！！』, which seems to mean "Lu..gi... Luigi, it's me, E. Gadd. Heh heh heh! I see you found it safely. As expected of Luigi! That's right. That's the vacuum cleaner I invented. It's called the 'Poltergust'!!". Unhelpful. Blinker (talk) 11:32, January 5, 2025 (EST)
- I'd support a merge except for the Super Poltergust 3001. Super Mario RPG (talk) 11:44, January 5, 2025 (EST)
- I'd be more in support of converting this disambiguation list into a more detailed catchall Poltergust article like we do for Mario Circuit while leaving the individual ones have their own article, because these designs do have extensive history backing them and I think it would be a bit messy to have all-in-one article.
Ray Trace(T|C) 12:09, January 5, 2025 (EST)
- I'm confused, what do you mean by "messy"? Blinker (talk) 13:10, January 5, 2025 (EST)
- I feel the most messy thing about merging all the Poltergusts is the potential idea that this article on a vacuum cleaner is going to have a handful of sections dedicated to the statistics of a kart (unless that's by default being left out of this conversation). I'm actually on board with Ray Trace's idea of converting this page to a catchall article for every Poltergust. Tails777 Talk to me!
- The way I see it, the kart(s) would be left out, yeah. Think Koopa Clown. Blinker (talk) 14:48, January 5, 2025 (EST)
- The original was able to become a ride-on vehicle for the PAL Hidden Mansion Boolossus fight, though. And some vehicles do have their pages cover both kart and non-kart appearances. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:44, January 5, 2025 (EST)
- I am on the fence about merging the Luigi's Mansion Poltergusts but I am very much opposed to merging the karts and Super as well. A page about a car detailing its appearances as a car and as a kart is not the same thing as a a page about a ghost-catching device and a series of karts, even if the former has an edge-case that could be somewhat qualified as a vehicle. — Lady Sophie
(T|C) 16:53, January 5, 2025 (EST)
- Well either way it feels weird to include 3000 and 5000 but not 4000. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:55, January 5, 2025 (EST)
- Well, there's a big difference between Luigi riding on the back of a vacuum cleaner and him driving a vacuum-cleaner-shaped kart. Besides, it's not like karts can't be named after the subjects they're based on, ahem. And in any case, the kart-merging discussion should probably kept on Talk:Koopa Clown, I'd say, since that seems like a better first candidate. Blinker (talk) 16:59, January 5, 2025 (EST)
- I was also gonna say that comparing the Poltergust to the Wario Car and Bike is a bit of a stretch since no matter which appearance we're talking about, the Wario Car is still a car and the Wario Bike is still a bike. This is a vacuum cleaner and a kart modeled after a vacuum cleaner and regardless of if Luigi was able to ride a vacuum cleaner like a car once, that's still a stretch comparison. Tails777 Talk to me!
- I was also gonna say that comparing the Poltergust to the Wario Car and Bike is a bit of a stretch since no matter which appearance we're talking about, the Wario Car is still a car and the Wario Bike is still a bike. This is a vacuum cleaner and a kart modeled after a vacuum cleaner and regardless of if Luigi was able to ride a vacuum cleaner like a car once, that's still a stretch comparison.
- Well, there's a big difference between Luigi riding on the back of a vacuum cleaner and him driving a vacuum-cleaner-shaped kart. Besides, it's not like karts can't be named after the subjects they're based on, ahem. And in any case, the kart-merging discussion should probably kept on Talk:Koopa Clown, I'd say, since that seems like a better first candidate. Blinker (talk) 16:59, January 5, 2025 (EST)
- Well either way it feels weird to include 3000 and 5000 but not 4000. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:55, January 5, 2025 (EST)
- I am on the fence about merging the Luigi's Mansion Poltergusts but I am very much opposed to merging the karts and Super as well. A page about a car detailing its appearances as a car and as a kart is not the same thing as a a page about a ghost-catching device and a series of karts, even if the former has an edge-case that could be somewhat qualified as a vehicle. — Lady Sophie
- The original was able to become a ride-on vehicle for the PAL Hidden Mansion Boolossus fight, though. And some vehicles do have their pages cover both kart and non-kart appearances. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:44, January 5, 2025 (EST)
- The way I see it, the kart(s) would be left out, yeah. Think Koopa Clown. Blinker (talk) 14:48, January 5, 2025 (EST)
- I feel the most messy thing about merging all the Poltergusts is the potential idea that this article on a vacuum cleaner is going to have a handful of sections dedicated to the statistics of a kart (unless that's by default being left out of this conversation). I'm actually on board with Ray Trace's idea of converting this page to a catchall article for every Poltergust.
- I'm confused, what do you mean by "messy"? Blinker (talk) 13:10, January 5, 2025 (EST)
- I'd be more in support of converting this disambiguation list into a more detailed catchall Poltergust article like we do for Mario Circuit while leaving the individual ones have their own article, because these designs do have extensive history backing them and I think it would be a bit messy to have all-in-one article.
- I'd support a merge except for the Super Poltergust 3001. Super Mario RPG (talk) 11:44, January 5, 2025 (EST)
- To be honest, the different functions aren't that big a deal. The games already establish that it's possible to upgrade the Poltergust by physically adding different bits and bobs, like the strobulb, the dark light device, even Gooigi. Anyways, I decided to look into the English and Japanese text in LM2 to see how the thing is introduced, and as usual, it's a mess. I may as well copy that here, although beware of typos. The English version says "Ah, you've found it! Good work, Luigi. That there is the new-and-improved Poltergust 5000!", while the Japanese version says 『ル・・ジくん・・・ルイージくん / わしじゃオヤ・マーじゃ / フェッ フェッ フェッ！ / 無事に見つけられたようじゃのう / さすがは ルイージくん！ / そうじゃ / それがわしの発明した掃除機！ / その名も / 「オバキューム」じゃ！！』, which seems to mean "Lu..gi... Luigi, it's me, E. Gadd. Heh heh heh! I see you found it safely. As expected of Luigi! That's right. That's the vacuum cleaner I invented. It's called the 'Poltergust'!!". Unhelpful. Blinker (talk) 11:32, January 5, 2025 (EST)
- The only one I personally think is fine being split is the MKDS kart. It's not used in the same way as any of the others. I guess the Super Poltergust 3001 is also fine, Doc's comment on it existing at the same time as the OG model is a point in its favor, but the Poltergusts used in the LM series overall, I feel they could be their own article. I am a bit torn on the fact that they have different functions. Less so for the Dark Moon iteration, all it's functions basically return in the G-00 model, but the 3000 has the elemental functions, the G-00 has the hyper suction thing, so I also agree that it's hard to really say they can be merged.
I have made a mockup of a merge here. Obviously the actual content of each section would need a lot of rewriting, but yeah. Blinker (talk) 15:04, January 6, 2025 (EST)
- Seems pretty solid. Tails777 Talk to me!15:39, January 6, 2025 (EST)
Merge Poltergust 3000, Poltergust 5000 and Poltergust G-00
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Current time: Saturday, January 11, 2025, 06:08 GMT
Following the discussion above, this proposal aims to merge Poltergust 3000, Poltergust 5000 and Poltergust G-00 into a single Poltergust page.
The Poltergust is a recurring element of the Luigi's Mansion series, but its appearances are needlessly spread over multiple pages, due to a glorified naming quirk. Although all three versions of the Poltergust share the same Japanese name, this isn't the case in English. Why is that? Well, in the original Luigi's Mansion, it was given an English name of Poltergust 3000 (with other languages using similarly numbered names). Because of this, as new games feature modified versions of the Poltergust, it only made sense to alter the number at the end. I think it's fair to assume that this pattern will continue, which would result in yet more "Poltergust suffix" pages with sections with information for a single Luigi's Mansion game and a few spin-offs, maybe a Super Smash Bros game. Let's avoid that, shall we?
As mentioned in the discussion above, the Super Poltergust 3001 will be left out of this merge, as will the karts. They will still be mentioned on the page, however, similarly to Koopa Clown.
A very rough mockup of what this merge would look like can be found here.
Proposer: Blinker (talk)
Deadline: January 21, 2025, 23:59 GMT
Support
- Blinker (talk) Per proposal.
- Super Mario RPG (talk) Per proposal and the conservation above.
- Pseudo (talk) Per proposal and the discussion above.
- Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) - Remembering all the names is annoying. Especially when you forget the first one is 3000 rather than 2000, so you end up at the kart trying to go to the Dark Moon one.
- Camwoodstock (talk) Makes sense to us. Per proposal.
Oppose
- PrincessPeachFan (talk) No.
Comments
Hmmm, let me think... no. They may have the same name in Japanese, but it's pretty clear that even then, they're completely different as they have separate functions and if I remember correctly were stated to be different by E. Gadd as well. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 09:05, January 7, 2025 (EST)
- Did you read the discussion in the header above the proposal? It seems that they are not clearly stated to be different in Japanese. I don't really see what is "clearly different" about them. -- Pseudo (talk, contributions)
09:43, January 7, 2025 (EST)
I was going to oppose, mainly on the basis that these are canonically different models and a merge makes it harder to know which one's appearing in a game since the Poltergust is a fairly recurring element, but I got an idea while I was writing my vote. Could the merged article have a list of appearances table that also says which of the three models shows up in that game? --
Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 11:41, January 7, 2025 (EST)
