User talk:Wildgoosespeeder

I am usually around 1PM-4AM CST (6PM-9AM GMT). I usually reply on the users' talk pages if you don't see my replies on my talk page. If it looks like I don't respond, I do, just in a different spot. I have decided that archival will happen after every 100th talk section sees a resolution. Shouldn't archive (page should contain more than 100,000 characters, which this page has 78,438 at this time). Archives: 1 2

Thanks

Hey thanks for cropping that Bubbles pic for me, the table looks a lot better now! DKPetey99^TCE

Yeah thanks for the tip. I'm trying to make the DK: King of Swing article more presentable so I will keep that tool in mind. DKPetey99^TCE

Favor

I have sprites I am willing to upload from DK: King of Swing, but the background is purple. Are you able to recolor them if I upload or send them to you? DKPetey99^TCE

Alright cool. I think the size might be messed up as well but I think someone with more skill image-wise than me can fix it. DKPetey99^TCE

Yes I'm really not that technologically skilled to do that stuff. Sorry. DKPetey99^TCE

Shiny sprites

Maybe you'd like to find some better sprites?-- 18:41, 10 December 2016 (EST)

I just found the texture from sticker star that makes the sprites shiny.-- 19:33, 10 December 2016 (EST)

Alrighty.

The Paper sprites are getting deleted, which I expected. Is there anyway you can get some native resolution png screenshots from Paper Jam of the paper enemies, for cropping? Like maybe using the Citra emulator, or through homebrew HANS or whatvere. I barely understand any of that.-- 09:45, 13 December 2016 (EST)

Re: Deleting bestiary leftovers

Look, I want to incorporate the enemy idle animations back into the Bestiaries, not on the page itself, but when transcluded the gifs show up in the enemy box. However, I can't very well do that if you're going to delete all the gifs.-- 23:30, 10 December 2016 (EST)

I've already added the Paper Jam gifs. Speaking of which, I might need to whip up a new proposal soon, one that will allow modification of images in order to give an accurate portrayal, ie adding the white outline to the sticker star sprites and uploading them under paper jam.-- 00:51, 11 December 2016 (EST)

Just please, take a step back on the gifs that belong to RPGs. They aren't leftovers.-- 01:14, 11 December 2016 (EST)

Actually, I'm only concerned with the RPGs.-- 01:54, 11 December 2016 (EST)

Re: Images and Categories

Hi! I am so sorry for not filling the spaces! I actually knew what I was doing for the {{aboutfile}} template: I actually just filled it on the 1st frame image and the rest I left incomplete since I thought only filling the first frame would be enough, as the other images are just a sequence...

I left the categories empty because we didn't have a category page for those, again, sorry!!! If you are willing to create those category pages, I tramslated the titles of the comics: The Halloween one is "Ashley meets Halloween" (or maybe Ashley's Halloween meeting, I am not the best in japanese, sorry) and the 2nd, the Barbara one is merely called "Barbara and Ashley"

Thank you so much for warning me!User:Ashley anEoTselkie/sig

Thanks for the help! I will be sure to add the content about the comic to the pages! I will just need time to translate the Barabra one since this one has actual vlines -w- User:Ashley anEoTselkie/sig

Homebrew

Ok, I might do the Homebrew. I have a New 3DS XL, up to date, and my copy of Paper Jam is digital. Will this mess up my system, revoke my Nintendo Network account, is it reversible?-- 17:28, 13 December 2016 (EST)

I remember seeing a homebrew thing that lets you make custom 3DS themes. Can I still do that with 3DSX? And will using the exploits in compatible games ruin the game?-- 19:47, 13 December 2016 (EST)

I think only the smashbroshax will work for me, but it sounds risky since it can affect other smash players. Is the exploit, or exploits, a one time only thing or what?-- 20:07, 13 December 2016 (EST)

I think I may need to find myself a copy of Freakyforms Deluxe because the smashbrosax sounds way too complicated for me to comprehend.-- 20:39, 13 December 2016 (EST)

Okay, I did the freakyhax and got to the homebrew menu. I went to the theme manager and scanned for themes. It stayed there awhile and I couldn't exit so I closed the system. The screen was black and I couldn't do anything so I turned it off and back on. now when I do the exploit, it partially loads, but it stay on the black screen that says the homemenu ropbin is ready.-- 20:53, 14 December 2016 (EST)

Guess it takes a few tries. However when I try booting paper jam up in hans, the bottom screen goes red and the top goes black.-- 21:19, 14 December 2016 (EST)

What's NTR CFW and would it work as an alternative to using HANS for the screenshots?-- 18:24, 17 December 2016 (EST)

I'm asking you because I don't understand anything in the world of homebrew, and I'm not a redditor. You're my reference. Check this out here.--

What's a cia?-- 19:36, 17 December 2016 (EST)

I actually did manage to get NTR CFW on my 2DS and it works. The only issue is half the time when I take a screenshot, the game glitches out and stops rendering sprites, only models and textures. But if you can get the cartridge version of Paper Jam working with HANS, that'll be way more convenient. One thing though: DO NOT UPDATE THE GAME. It's possible that's the reason it wouldn't work for me.-- 14:26, 1 February 2017 (EST)

Are you going to get the pictures then?-- 21:29, 4 February 2017 (EST)

MTM

I only managed to get the DOS version working by running Windows XP through VirtualBox, and even then the results are iffy. I can save, but some parts are oddly sped up. Still, I've been getting my images directly from the folders; it's convenient that the static images are .bmp, which can be easily converted to .png. Unfortunately, any elements that are animated, including Paradise, are stored as .anx, which is a lot harder (read: impossible from what I can tell) to convert. I can try to take a screencap of the ending, but that'll require going through the rest of the game first. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 01:26, 14 December 2016 (EST)

image category

Do photos like this need a category besides the license one? --A gossip-loving Toad (Talk) 08:57, 15 December 2016 (EST)

APNG Optimizer (usable both with still and animated PNG)

In my past proposal about APNG you asked if optimizators for APNG images like Zopfling exist. They do indeed exist: APNG Optimizer is an open-source (zlib license) software that works both with still and animated PNG files and has, among the compressors, also Zopfli, making it pretty much a superset of current optimizators for still PNG files. I think it might be interesting for you, considering Google is about to implement APNG in Chrome and such an optimizer would optimize all .png files, both still and animated.--Mister Wu (talk) 21:05, 16 December 2016 (EST)

Re: Replace Images

Thanks for the advice. BTW is there any way to distinguish which screenshots in Cat:MLBIS Images are not pixel-accurate? I might have missed some JPG-converted-to-PNG images (as well as incorrectly configured ones like this). Also I have yet to hunt for images with emulator-generated borders or from a non-US locale. --A gossip-loving Toad (Talk) 03:12, 18 December 2016 (EST)

Ah, thanks for the encouragement. For JPG-to-PNG, I used MS Paint's "fill/color bucket" tool to detect irregularities in color around text or game elements. And the advice to use SoftRasterizer was in time too!

Unfortunately, this is what I can do for now because there's a Giant Bowser vs Fawful Express intermission which requires the player blowing into the microphone, but the noise sample provided by DeSmuME isn't recognized as blowing, nor is my microphone input when I really blow (even after setting the Windows 7 meters to maximum), so I'm literally stuck there. --A gossip-loving Toad (Talk) 21:24, 29 December 2016 (EST)

Can you tell me what that YouTube video is about? I'm unable to view it myself since YouTube is blocked in China. Thanks. --A gossip-loving Toad (Talk) 23:57, 29 December 2016 (EST)

Ah, great! It worked and now I can resume the project. By the way, it seems that simply turning on SoftRasterizer is not enough to correctly render the HP/SP panels in screenshots like File:Memory ML.png in DeSmuME 0.9.11. I had to check the "Enable TXT Hack" to get a better version of that screenshot. Even worse, even with "Enable TXT Hack" turned on rendering of Baby Mario is still wrong in File:Babybowserfight.PNG compared with the Spriters Resource. (I was using the x64 version without enabling the dynamic recompiler.) --A gossip-loving Toad (Talk) 01:08, 30 December 2016 (EST)

Re:Image Category Reminder

Thanks for the heads-up. I do try to categorize images as best as I can, and if I forget, anyone, including myself, can categorize them for me. Plus, if you fail to categorize images from an upload, the image will flash a reminder at you to add categories. ^(T|C) 10:29, 21 December 2016 (EST)

Re:Signature

I fixed it. Better? ^(T|C) 17:12, 21 December 2016 (EST)

RE:File Edit

Whoops, sorry! Didn't mean to remove that. I just meant to remove the information on the {{aboutfile}} that wasn't used, but I must've removed the {{uncategorized}} along with it. My bad! 00:01, 23 December 2016 (EST)

Yes, you were right.

I was talking about how Daroach and Lord Count Blumiere "Bleck". They both leaders of a that (at one point) had four members, and were evil. They treat their group like family as well. They both wear hats and cloaks, and finally they both attack by releasing projectiles out of their cloak. So as you they have a lot in common and I just wanted people to know that. So, sorry.

omg

plz let me know if there's an original 3DS exploit on newest firmware, I'm dying for one. I hate using Miiverse to upload images :p Ray Trace^(T|C) 16:19, 28 December 2016 (EST)

RE: CTTT

Oops, I didn't know we had that image collection. If I make any future articles on these levels, I'll make sure to use them. Thanks for the heads-up! Quizmelon (talk) 05:17, 30 December 2016 (EST)

Re: Block template

Another admin agreed, so change applied! I've fixed the font colors of "block log" to match regular blue links, and also changed some magic word stuff.

Shokora (talk · edits) 04:33, 1 January 2017 (EST)

Re: Deletion of Upload Wars

I should be up to date now, sorry that they slipped my mind earlier!

Shokora (talk · edits) 05:09, 5 January 2017 (EST)

Sumo Robots!

On the article you created, Sumo Robots!, it says at the end 'this game tremors'. What is that supposed to mean? Mr squid Talk Edits 10:15, 5 January 2017 (EST)

Appeal Notice

Template:AppealNotice ^(T|C) 20:55, 8 January 2017 (EST)

Chan missing from PM bestiary

Chan is missing from the Paper Mario bestiary and I don't know where to place him; i.e. which tow enemies to place him between.-- 19:04, 11 January 2017 (EST)

On issuing warnings

Hi Wildgoosespeeder. The admins agreed that it was necessary to post a message here regarding some types of warnings you've been issuing lately. Please remember that before giving out any of the four warning templates, that you are fully aware of the relevant policy, and have first given the situation careful and proper judgement.

The problem has arisen several times through warning appeals from other users, which involve templates that should never have been issued in the first place. The user LuigiBro should have just been told to purge his browser's cache, as you knew that was the reason why he reverted the upload. Secondly, your reminder to The RPG Gamer regarding using HTML markup had no standing at all with the warning policy: issuing a reminder was completely out of the question. Finally, the reminder that Toadette the Achiever recently appealed should also have been considered more carefully. You yourself linked to MarioWiki:Courtesy with the reminder, even if it clearly states that " discourteous behavior is not serious enough to warrant an official {{reminder}} right off the bat" in the first paragraph.

Warnings are a serious thing, and it's important that they are issued correctly. And if you're in doubt on whether a first-time or minor infraction deserves a warning or not, it's always better to go with an informal message first. Please don't take this as a discouragement from enforcing the rules: it's just to ensure that enforcement is done properly, and hopefully it may also reduce the number of users appealing their warnings. Thanks for reading.

Shokora (talk · edits) 05:59, 12 January 2017 (EST)

OpenGL for Partners in Time battles?

If you've followed my recent conversation with Shokora (talk), there's this screenshot that SoftRasterizer failed to render Luigi's hat correctly (like it did for Baby Mario). In such cases, do you know if OpenGL is a suitable substitute for the 3D rendering? I'm asking because after I retook it with OpenGL, Luigi's hat did get fixed but the action blocks above Mario got thinner except the one in the front. --A gossip-loving Toad (Talk) 20:43, 12 January 2017 (EST)

Thanks for the info. That's unfortunate. Oh, by the way, are there plans to get articles to use {{media link}} using a bot or something? --A gossip-loving Toad (Talk) 08:01, 15 January 2017 (EST)

Oh, I only grepped those tagged with {{game-screenshot}} and didn't bother to check the sprites. Thanks for the heads-up. --A gossip-loving Toad (Talk) 05:04, 19 January 2017 (EST)

Forum help?

A few weeks ago I talked to User:Shokora about the possibility of changing the logo for the wiki, and they told me I should bring it up on the forums, but I really don't enjoy forums in general, so I'd like to avoid that. I was wondering if you'd be my middle man here. Here are two designs I came up with; I like the second one more.-- 17:01, 18 January 2017 (EST)

Thanks!

Now I know how to use PNG Monstrous! Now I can reduce PNG'S file size.

Example:

Bytes before: 110K

Bytes after: 72K

You can also become my friend without asking to me. ^® 16:14, 21 January 2017 (EST)

Replacement

Literally, no, but functionally, yes. Mario, Peach, Yoshi, and DK are the four starting characters in the game, whereas Gene is only unlocked late into the story. Since Gene was the odd man out and the four starting characters are more recognizable, I thought that it would make more sense to use DK instead of Gene. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 15:26, 22 January 2017 (EST)

Unless you're going to insist on literally every character from every game having images on that article, I don't see the issue with having just four images that are more than representative of the entire group. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 17:13, 22 January 2017 (EST)

RE: Image Replacement

Thanks for notifying me.
(talk · edits) 19:16, 25 January 2017 (EST)

Signature

This {{sigfix}} has been overturned by the MarioWiki staff.

Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)}

Please shorten your sig, to make it fit the signature limit. ^® 13:28, 28 January 2017 (EST)

It is not in violation. See User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig. Are you viewing my sig in Google Chrome? Internet Explorer 11 doesn't have this issue. The template {{sigbox}} is shorter than File:Sigbox.svg. That is still within bounds of the blue box no matter what browser. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 15:06, 28 January 2017 (EST)

Yes, I edit and upload with Google Chrome. ^® 15:11, 28 January 2017 (EST)

It also depends on your fonts. Lucida Sans Unicode, for example, looks wider than Arial. --A gossip-loving Toad (Talk) 21:51, 28 January 2017 (EST)

Display engines make a difference. Google Chrome uses WebKit. IE11 uses Trident (to be fair, Microsoft always creates its own and never uses third party). Firefox uses Gecko. Renderings, performance, and supported features on how it tries to conform to web standards will vary. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 00:26, 29 January 2017 (EST)

Aboutfile template

This {{aboutfile-reminder}} has been overturned by the Mariowiki staff.

In some of your recent uploads, you forgot to add the {{aboutfile}} template. Always use the template. ^® 15:41, 1 February 2017 (EST)

It's not required to insert {{aboutfile}}, but it is recommended. I have been doing this for a long time. Incoming another appeal. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 15:53, 1 February 2017 (EST)

PNG Monstrous

Hello, you can made a Android version of PNG Monstrous? ^® 11:15, 2 February 2017 (EST)

Another reupload

May I ask you reupload File:JollyRogerBayPirateGrotto.png again, this time capturing the treasure chests in the area? The image really needs to show what the mission is about and it doesn't. 19:45, 3 February 2017 (EST)

Yep, that worked out perfectly, thanks! I'm not able to capture any game pic from anything prior to the 3DS/Wii U as my computer doesn't like emulators that much...

...If I could bug you some more, Inside the Cage and Snowman's Silver Star also need an image. They're on the DS game, though. Can you capture those? 20:03, 3 February 2017 (EST)

Thanks for your help! And they were originally going to be one article, but then I found they have more differences than commonalities. The name is different and only one power-up is needed. The only thing that remained is the objective. It makes more sense to me that they're separate. 20:46, 3 February 2017 (EST)

There are a couple of other stars that do this as well, the Roll into the Cage and Luigi in the Cage. Both take place in Tick-Tock Clock and the position hasn't changed, but the name of the star and the method of obtaining it are different.

A merge make sense, sure, but so does keeping them separate. This is the problem with wikis keeping track of remakes... 22:31, 3 February 2017 (EST)

RE:Super Mario 64 Images

Ah, okay. I was just fixing the mistakes I noticed and that I could fix. I'll leave you to it, then. I guess we're working together to make the Super Mario 64 pages as up-to-date as possible :) 18:46, 5 February 2017 (EST)

RE: User Page User Box Mess

Done. Mario JC 03:13, 9 February 2017 (EST)

Thanks for the suggestion! I personally think the arrow looks nice there, but maybe that's just because I've gotten rather used to seeing it there all the time. Mario JC 03:56, 9 February 2017 (EST)

SMS

Those screenshots look really good.

Shokora (talk · edits) 02:01, 10 February 2017 (EST)

Virtual Boy Screenshots

Hi Wildgoosespeeder. I've been looking into taking screenshots from Virtual Boy emulators recently, because results in the color display can vary significantly. I've been using Red Dragon, which is old software, and I've understood that it's not recommended by Emulation General and TCRF. Both of these sources recommend the VBjin emulator instead. However, following this info on Virtual Boy color display, the RGB value of the Red is evenly spread in intervals of 85 (0-85-170-255). Using this information, the following image shows the proper colors of the Virtual Boy:

However, no emulator matches this exactly. Red Dragon is actually much more accurate than VBjin. See the following table that I compiled (all in RGB values).

VBjin	Red Dragon	Actual Virtual Boy colors
(0,0,0)	(0,0,0)	(0,0,0)
(135,0,0)	(64,0,0)	(85,0,0)
(205,0,0)	(161,0,0)	(170,0,0)
(255,0,0)	(255,0,0)	(255,0,0)

Should your draft be updated to reflect this difference? With GIMP, I replaced the colors of a Red Dragon screenshot with the correct ones, and it makes quite a difference. Compare the original screenshot with the one with corrected colors. On your draft page, should we give instructions on how to correct the colors in GIMP?

Shokora (talk · edits) 06:15, 11 February 2017 (EST)

Yeah, the instructions to correct it in external programs could be a little complicated for everyone to view on the policy page, and you're right: the small difference isn't too significant. I don't mind making the colour-corrections myself, so I'm happy to just keep that level of accuracy as a standard to enforce for myself and any other screenshots which I feel could be improved.

Shokora (talk · edits) 05:08, 12 February 2017 (EST)

RE: A User's Submissions

It depends on the image. Shokora (talk) brought up a point in regards to the Chain Chomp images: The original screenshot image might have certain features that would be good to have around (the stake it's attached to, in this case), so anything like that doesn't need total replacing. If that's the case, I think the source image should at least be mentioned in an {{aboutfile}} template on the sprite page. Mario JC 05:30, 15 February 2017 (EST)

I would recommend that. Rips like the Mario Run sprites seem alright, but ones like File:GreenShyGuyMSS.png and File:Bob-ombMP7.png don't look like they were cropped well. Mario JC 03:52, 16 February 2017 (EST)

Re:Image Replacement

Thank you for the reminder! (talk|contribs) 12:01, 15 February 2017 (EST)

Paper Jam

What you just did made me unbelievably angry. you shouldn't have moved those images to the designated filenames that I SET UP. You were interfering with my work by doing this, and those images you think we should save are not worth saving. They are terrible. Don't move another of those terrible images under my filenaming systems again. Thank you. -- 18:07, 16 February 2017 (EST)

Magic word help

Hey ya silly goose. I was just wondering if you knew it was possible whether to close magic words? Like ending _NOEDITSECTION_ as if it were a closing </> tag?

Shokora (talk · edits) 03:09, 18 February 2017 (EST)

Yeah, for 'Shroom purposes I'd like to have a template to restrict certain headers from showing an "edit" link. I've looked at the help page, and I didn't see anything of use unfortunately.

Shokora (talk · edits) 03:42, 18 February 2017 (EST)

Re:CSS Flip

Uh okay, I'll keep that in mind I'm just trying to upload this month's issue.Meta Knight (talk) 18:53, 18 February 2017 (EST)

Minecraft: Wii U Edition

The Boomerang Bro image is an outdated image of a Zombie Villager. In a newer update, the Zombie Villagers were changed to resemble a Hammer Bro with the clothing of the Pianta they were before they became a Zombie. --TheFlameChomp (talk) 16:33, 20 February 2017 (EST)

Yes, I think it still should. I'm going to add the information to the article. --TheFlameChomp (talk) 16:36, 20 February 2017 (EST)

MPA

I believe that I'm now done. I've replaced the .jpg and .gif images, while I've reuploaded the .png images (though honestly I didn't notice much of a difference with the Magic Lamp and Snow Globe images besides the byte compression). There's nothing I can do about the Luigi artwork unless I happen to find it online. If you think it's necessary, I can go back and rename the other images to fit the standard I used, but as it stands, I think it's fine. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 22:01, 24 February 2017 (EST)

Yeah, that can be deleted too, I just forgot to mark it. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 22:10, 24 February 2017 (EST)

TPPDiscuss

I've applied the change. I didn't include the format since you already described it in {{TPPDiscuss}} and it's linked to in the rule. Let me know if I've missed anything else. Mario JC 06:52, 25 February 2017 (EST)

File

File:Orange fork npc.jpg Trust me, that was the best quality I can get so far.
The preceding unsigned comment was added by GoombaBroadcast (talk).

Images

Since you seem to have included this in a few of your edits, I wanted to let you know that when you're adding an image to an article, it's unnecessary to include "right" in the image tags. As the image automatically defaults to the right, "left" and "center" are the only tags you need to use. It's an insignificant detail, but it helps clear out clutter. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 12:42, 14 March 2017 (EDT)

I happened to come across the citation needed on your sandbox for 1080p Wii U images. To my knowledge, the only way to obtain 1080p images is if a game has a method of saving screenshots to an SD card. The SD card can then be inserted into a computer of your choice, and you can obtain the images from there. This is how I uploaded the bulk of my images for Super Smash Bros. for Wii U, though it isn't much help if the game has no such method. In most cases, the 720p method you outlined is the most reliable way of obtaining images from a Wii U.

And I hadn't noticed that you already made a note of that, so don't mind this comment. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 21:23, 17 March 2017 (EDT)

The citation thing is there understanding the technical details internally the Wii U, not so much what software designed for it can do, if at all. Yes, the Wii U can output 1080p (1920x1080), but is that what is really going on inside? Could it be taking a 1280x720 image and upscaling the frames to 1920x1080? I have lingering doubts and need clarification somehow, probably by Cemu's developers reverse engineering the console by creating an emulator. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 21:27, 17 March 2017 (EDT)

Hah! Youtube!?

Do u think I choose YouTube? No. I also know that snips from YouTube are nearly always blurry. I still insist that the latest snip was also from an emulator. I snipped it while was playing Bit Boy on Dolphin. And about my file list, except the first two (which I don't remind from where) all others were snipped while I was playing them on emulator. SSG3 pics was from the game's assets. I REALLY don't know why even snipping tool makes the shot you have got blurry. I also have this prob while ripping sprites and logos, which I snip, but it isn't pixel perfect, as I compare them to pics from the other collab websites, such as TCRF. How the heck they are pixel perfect?? :-) Do you know an alternative from Windows' Snipping Tool?Wario W. 97 (talk) 07:02, 30 March 2017 (EDT)

• P.S. I played it again. The blur is not from my snipping. The game screen IS blurry, if you think. As a proof, You can check it out for yourself on Dolphin.

Screenshot Issue (Continued...)

Damn. I used TCRF's guide (checking auto-adjust window size and using the screenshot button) and the new pic is in native res instead of that foolish 1090x636, but when I compare them, quality is NOT changed/improved. Just the same. I think that text shades are blurry on their own. Wario W. 97 (talk) 08:28, 31 March 2017 (EDT)

• I checked out your manual, but as I see, I taken the second pic already under your chosen circums (internal and fullscreen reso and aspect ratio as auto, stretch to window, etc.) but text shades/blurs are still present. I even tried Renderer, but make the screen bugged in addition of frame drop, in case of me, the upper half of the screen was "tiled" on the lower half also.Wario W. 97 (talk) 17:43, 31 March 2017 (EDT)

• You don't get it. I tried with renderer (and also 16:9 now) and this is the screen, as i say it's buggy.

File:Bb!rendererbugscreen.png

Wormhole (disambiguation)

Unless there's a third wormhole I don't know about, this isn't really needed, as only two articles under that name exist and both use {{distinguish}} anyway. Just thought I'd let you know first. Mario JC 03:10, 7 April 2017 (EDT)

That's true, though the ones with two entries usually have no identifier as they are commonly found through searching. Having one with "(disambiguation)" in the title would be useful if there are multiple articles with the name, while one with two entries that isn't linked by other articles seems kind of unnecessary when {{about}} or something similar takes care of it. I guess it's okay to have around if you intend to include vortex and portal, but the worm hole page (since it's a generic subject) already lists them anyway. Mario JC 05:48, 9 April 2017 (EDT)

Image glitch

Hi there. Nice job lately with your DK uploads. However I think I've spotted a glitchy screenshot: File:BrambleBlast565.PNG, where part of the barrel sprite is missing. Would be good if it can be recaptured :)

Shokora (talk · edits) 05:01, 15 April 2017 (EDT)

Scarescraper

Hey, sorry for disturbing you, but can you please snatch three Ghost Container screenshots for these ghosts in the Scarescraper article? If you cannot do it at the moment, that's ok, as I have the game myself. Ray Trace^(T|C)

Okay, I tried out my copy of Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon today, I got the same problem as you, and I'm on I think the penulitmate firmware (the one before the latest one from the 3DS Direct) So I definitely think it's a HANs issue. Ray Trace^(T|C) 13:56, 27 April 2017 (EDT)

Re: Donkey Kong Country GBA Save

I'm so sorry for taking so long to get back you, I've been dealing with some off-site stuff and I'm only just coming back here. Unfortunately, I cannot remember how I took those images for the life of me, and I cleared out my old saves a while back. I'm fairly certain that I used the saves from GameFAQS, but my attempts to use those saves have been unsuccessful. If this problem has already been settled since you asked me about it, then I apologize for being wholly unhelpful. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 21:31, 30 April 2017 (EDT)

I was just about to point out that I was being silly. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 23:20, 30 April 2017 (EDT)

Re: Image Category Reminder

Sorry about that, I got tired and lost track of what I was doing. Niiue (talk) 14:56, 5 May 2017 (EDT)

Re: the Spicy Soup images, that was the result of me not knowing File:SoupSpicy.PNG existed until long after I added my image. Niiue (talk) 21:23, 5 May 2017 (EDT)

Yeah, I'm pretty sure File:SoupSpicy.PNG was only used on either List of Zess T. recipes or List of selling prices in Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door. Niiue (talk) 23:11, 6 May 2017 (EDT)

Proposal

Go ahead and make another proposal. I think we're just going to leave the original one as is. 22:25, 13 May 2017 (EDT)

Heh. I'll let it carry through the night and I'll give you the update when I wake up tomorrow, if anything changed at all. How's that? 22:33, 13 May 2017 (EDT)

Busy this morning, so sorry for the late reply. Yes, you can go ahead and make another proposal about this. But be aware that the "Oppose" option will mean that the previous ruling will succeed. Please make sure the options you are providing are ones you are willing to act on. 15:23, 14 May 2017 (EDT)

I showed the others the conversation on my page, and my previous response above is what they told me to tell you. You don't have to make another proposal right away, but we're not going to veto the original one. 15:56, 15 May 2017 (EDT)

We're not going to change the ruling on the previous proposal. If you want to make a new proposal, you'll have to start drafting it as soon as possible. If someone else were to start enacting the changes from the original proposal, we're not going to stop them, as the proposal did pass. So you have as much time as until someone starts making the changes. 17:24, 15 May 2017 (EDT)

Like I said, the proposal did pass. If someone ends up making the changes proposed, we're not going to stop them. The good news is, I don't think anyone wants to take the time to do that work anyway. The original proposal will become nulled should the first option of the new proposal pass. 18:54, 15 May 2017 (EDT)

Just in case you end up missing it, wanted to let you know that the new proposal failed, which means you must carry out the result of the original proposal. Preferably as soon as possible, but if you want some help with it, I'm more than willing to lend you a hand. 22:21, 29 May 2017 (EDT)

Re: Proposal Concerns

Thanks for the heads up, but as I follow proposals that I partake in, you don't have to message me for that in the future.
My stance also hasn't changed, as your proposal still proposes the same as before. Lakituthequick 13:33, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Proposal Question

When you edited your proposal, what actually changed about it? Now looking at it again, I cannot actually tell what was really changed. From what I can tell, it still proposes that we add both what is on User:Wildgoosespeeder/MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive and the search page, which is why I originally opposed, as it seems unnecessary to have the former if a search page that acted like the current page existed. Sorry about that, I understand it now.--TheFlameChomp (talk) 18:47, 17 May 2017 (EDT)

At the moment, I believe I understand it. Though, if a question does come to my mind about this proposal, I will be sure to ask you. --TheFlameChomp (talk) 22:09, 17 May 2017 (EDT)

YI "unused music"

Can you confirm that this "unused music" isn't just the title theme played with the wrong instruments?
The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hiccup (talk).

I don't know for sure that the sound data is invalid, but isn't it best to not put stuff on pages if it isn't confirmed? --Hiccup (talk) 03:44, 8 June 2017 (EDT)

Re: Raw Code Signature

What do you mean? I don't have (or want) a custom signature. :P --Hiccup (talk) 04:09, 9 June 2017 (EDT)

I need to ask you a favor

I would like to upload a picture of a cyan Jibber Jay, but I don't have any of the "tools" so I had to take a picture from youtube (and believe me, the quality would make your eyes melt in horror!). Do you think you could help?. --User:GoombaBroadcast (talk) 03:14,9 June 2017 (UTC)

Thankyou!

Thanks for the help! One quick question (last one) is it alright if the "cooking comic" was made directly on paper? --User:GoombaBroadcast (talk) 00:12, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

About OGG

sorry for the mistake, I've been absent for such a long time and didn't knew OGG support was discontinued! Once again, sorry!21:53, 15 June 2017 (EDT)

Good news

I've got HANS to work on my system!

Shokora (talk · edits) 00:00, 24 June 2017 (EDT)

RE: Congratulations!

Thank you very much, don't worry about missing it, I've only just finished some work experience, so this was the first time that I've actually managed to flex my admin wings :P Yoshi876 (talk)

Goombas: (microgame) or (WarioWare: D.I.Y.)?

Hi, I noticed that you moved Goombas (microgame) back to Goombas (WarioWare: D.I.Y.). As per the naming policy, type identifiers must be used before we move on to video game title identifiers. Also, what do you mean by "consistency issue"? This is an example of what I'm taking about. ^(T|C) 17:41, 24 June 2017 (EDT)

That doesn't necessarily answer my question. Pretty much the only example of the game title actually doing a solid as an identifier (from a fifty-page sample of the wanted pages list) is Hare Raising. Again (well, maybe not again, but rather reiterating what I said earlier), check the Rocky Road disambiguation page as an example. One last thing: when giving another response, could you please state how your title identifiers comply with MarioWiki:Naming? Thanks! ^(T|C) 18:11, 24 June 2017 (EDT)

The templates (Template:WWDIY Microgames and Template:WWDIYS Microgames) have several instances of Microgame Name (microgame) like Paratroopa (microgame), Spiny (microgame), Pikmin (microgame), Yoshi (microgame), Mario Kart (microgame), Super Koopa (microgame), Boo (microgame), and 1-UP (microgame). Those with (WarioWare: D.I.Y.) are those with other WarioWare games. Yoshi the SSM (talk) 18:23, 24 June 2017 (EDT)

Those examples are all from the game WarioWare: D.I.Y./WarioWare: D.I.Y. Showcase, which wouldn't really all that bad if they all had (WarioWare: D.I.Y.) instead. Yes, two games, but we tend to think of them as one game, kind of like Super Smash Bros. 4 for the 3DS and Wii U. The games compliment each other. Unless there is a new WarioWare release for the 3DS, Wii U, or Switch that reuses the older microgames as a legacy feature, which I doubt will happen, the name is fine for right now. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 18:31, 24 June 2017 (EDT)

There is also Famicom (microgame) from WarioWare Twisted. I didn't really search the other WarioWares when I made the above post, and I just looked at WarioWare Twisted for this post. Yoshi the SSM (talk) 18:40, 24 June 2017 (EDT)

@Wildgoosespeeder: What about over fifty other articles that are treated the same, such as Chain Chomp (level), Muncher (level), Rocky Road (mission), or even game titles that can't be separated via game identifiers, such as Mario Golf (Nintendo 64) or Donkey Kong (game)? Maybe you're referring to the precedent for DK Jungle? Lastly, could you please bring up the exact line in MarioWiki:Naming that clearly states that your naming was correct? ^(T|C) 18:49, 24 June 2017 (EDT)

RE: Skeeter seems fine, since Skeeter (enemy) doesn't differentiate anything as said in rule 2 of the naming identifier policy, but I suppose we should talk to Steve about the Gold Ring example. Wow, I didn't realize how weird that example is. ^(T|C) 19:00, 24 June 2017 (EDT)

"I don't think Porplemontage (talk) cares that much about the rules" Considering he runs the place, I'm pretty he cares very much. A majority of the microgame pages that have a name similar to a non-microgame page are identified with (microgame) rather than the game title. According to MarioWiki:Naming#Shared titles, the type of content it is should be the identifier, in this case "(microgame)". 19:12, 24 June 2017 (EDT)

I mean if there is something factually wrong or he spots vandalism, yes he cares. From my editing experience, I don't think he contributes all that much in terms of information about any topic. Doesn't really matter though. Getting off-track. I don't consider him the go-to guy for how to organize content. I would ask some other sysop. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 19:19, 24 June 2017 (EDT)

Does he contribute a lot? No. Does he care how the wiki is run and if the users follow the rules and policy? Yes. Regardless of what you think Porplemontage does or not, the name of the page is incorrect and should be moved back as per policy. If an identifier is needed, especially if the subject is across multiple games (which it is, in this case), the identifier is of the type of the subject, not the game it's from. 19:27, 24 June 2017 (EDT)

Alright then, but there are many articles that have this problem, so would it make more sense for policy to reflect alternative names, the kind of alternative name being debated about, which could be just as valid when thought about more critically? --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 19:36, 24 June 2017 (EDT)

Panel

Hi, just wanted to let you know that I declined a deletion request for Panel, the reason being that, regardless of whether it gets deleted or not, the article can still be written about. Thanks! ^(T|C) 20:18, 28 June 2017 (EDT)

The Reminder

Thanks for letting me know, I'm somewhat rusty at stuff like that since it has been a while since I used this site to do stuff like uploading pictures.--Nintendoplayerawesome 16:27, 29 June 2017 (EDT)

My signature problem

I looked at the rules as much as needed, I hope I done it right. --Nintendoplayerawesome (talk · edits) 17:17, 29 June 2017 (EDT)

re: Image Category

Sorry about that. I forgot. Smijes08 (talk) 15:41, 4 July 2017 (EDT)

Merry Melodies

It's partially because I don't have the SNES music (I do have the tracks for the PC Deluxe release, albeit as MIDIs), and mostly because I'm not used to uploading music. It's always seemed a lot more complicated than uploading images, especially when it comes to obtaining it and how to convert it so that the sound doesn't become horribly corrupted or something, so I've always tended to abstain from that stuff. Besides all of that, though, are music tracks generally uploaded to the individual pages? There doesn't seem to be a policy page about music/sounds, but from what I can tell, they're relegated to subpages of the games. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 23:30, 11 July 2017 (EDT)

Not exactly all the time; we've included level-exclusive themes on level articles before.

Shokora (talk · edits) 00:10, 12 July 2017 (EDT)

Wildgoosespeeder, I think you misread something. I don't have the SNES music, but I do have the PC music. In any case, I'll try my best to put your instructions into action once I have the chance. @Shokora: I was mainly looking through the TTYD places, and none of them had music tracks. Perhaps it's just a case of nobody bothering to edit them in. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 00:17, 12 July 2017 (EDT)

Unless I've missed something, I don't believe that you've provided me the SNES music for Mario's Time Machine, which is what I am working with. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 11:30, 12 July 2017 (EDT)

Thank you for the link, but now that I'm listening to all of them back-to-back, there's an issue: some of the level themes aren't unique. I haven't played through each level yet (and I only have so many save states), but I can at least tell you that Philadelphia and Calcutta share their music, as do Orleans and Cambuluc, Cambridge University and Menlo Park, and Florence and Athens. If we're only supposed to put level-exclusive tracks on articles (as Shokora said), that kind of puts a damper on things. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 16:03, 12 July 2017 (EDT)

If we're only supposed to include level-exclusive themes on articles, as Shokora suggests, and the themes are not level-exclusive, then it would be problematic to include them. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 23:22, 12 July 2017 (EDT)

Again, I'm just following what Shokora said. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 23:25, 12 July 2017 (EDT)

That was part of where my initial confusion came from. World 1-1 of Super Mario Bros., for example, doesn't include its music theme on the article, and the same applies for the rest of the SMB levels (well, what few of them exist), Super Mario Bros. 2, Super Mario Bros. 3, and so on and so forth. Personally, I do think that there's value in having a level's theme on an article, even if it's not unique, but I believe that you would do a better job discussing that with Shokora. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 23:32, 12 July 2017 (EDT)

Sorry if I'm being a bit too patronizing, but you're aware that Shokora contributed to this discussion, right? Hello, I'm Time Turner. 23:53, 12 July 2017 (EDT)

I am so technologically inept when it comes to fiddling with music and music programs. I keep ramming my head against error messages and pages of notes, and I constantly feel like I'm going to screw something up. I am terribly sorry for saying this, but would it be possible for you to convert the files in my place? Obviously, you're free to refuse, and I can try my best on my own. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 16:26, 14 July 2017 (EDT)

The error messages were mostly with Winamp, so I switched to XMPlay. And now that I put more thought into it, I realized what was going on. Long story short, I didn't realize that Windows used its default soundfont when playing the game, and it took me an embarrassingly long time to both figure that out and put it into effect. Now it's just a matter of looping and fading out the track, which I should hopefully be able to manage. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 20:26, 14 July 2017 (EDT)

Yeah, it doesn't loop nicely in-game. It always lags for a second as the music starts again. I'll leave it as-is, then. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 22:43, 14 July 2017 (EDT)

I caught onto that after I uploaded it first and was wondering why it wasn't appearing in the article. I use that trick all the time for uploading images, but I guess I was a little too eager for uploading my first audio file. Also, thank you so much for being patient with me! I always appreciate this kind of help. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 23:56, 14 July 2017 (EDT)

To clarify the different versions of MTM, there's the NES release in 1994, the SNES release in 1993, the DOS release in 1993, and the Deluxe release of the DOS version in 1996. I've been calling this last version the "PC" release for lack of a better term. In any case, I'm not sure if it's feasible to obtain the music, or any piece of media, from the DOS release: I actually own it (it was released on floppy disks in 1993, but later ported to CD-ROMs in 1994 with no changes), but its files aren't as easily accessible as the Deluxe version, and the methods that I've seen online for obtaining music from DOS games are... unwieldy, to say the least, and completely impractical for me. Beyond that, the game is really laggy when run through DOSbox, to the point that it crashes most of the time and is too slow to play otherwise. In short, obtaining the music is not particularly feasible. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 22:08, 15 July 2017 (EDT)

I just wanted to inform you. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 22:25, 15 July 2017 (EDT)

MKDD high quality PNG screenshots

Hey, you might know me who found some unused content from Double Dash!! Well I have a folder which has better screenshot images than the wiki. I thought i'll replace them, however some of them are too big.

I use PNGGauntlet. I'm trying to upload a better quality of this. but it's still too big file size.--Pasta937 (talk) 17:13, 13 July 2017 (EDT)

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MKWii Battle Course Minimaps

I noticed that the battle courses for Mario Kart Wii do not have their minimaps on their pages. I was wondering if it would be okay for me to add them to the pages so it is more consistent with the other Mario Karts. It's cool if you say no. :) LuigiMaster123 21:45, 15 July 2017 (EDT)

RE: Wii U Screenshots

I uploaded this image using the method that you mentioned. I'm not 100% sure if I did it correctly, though. LuigiMaster123 20:41, 17 July 2017 (EDT)

Okay. Thanks for your help! :) LuigiMaster123 20:55, 17 July 2017 (EDT)

I found a way to covert my images into PNG format so they don't look blurry when I upload them, which is something I should've done a while ago. (facepalm) LuigiMaster123 21:09, 19 July 2017 (EDT)

Re: Brute

I may have found the source of the image, but I can't confirm it. The original uploader says that it was "extracted from Slot Cars box", and there's a slot car being sold by Carrera featuring Wario in the Brute. It's possible that the image was scanned from the original packaging for the toy or some other promotional material, though my searches have been very, very, fruitless. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 15:14, 18 July 2017 (EDT)

RE:Coverage

I assume what I said on Tara Strong's page is what brought this point up. In that instance, the coverage makes the page seem more like a Wikipedia article, not a Super Mario Wiki one. I do think it's okay to list a few examples outside of the Mario universe, but this seems a little excessive.
Regarding our coverage on Donkey Kong and Super Smash Bros., while I do think that having multiple wikis makes some aspects redundant, at the same time, it is still relevant. Donkey Kong is a Mario character and started off as one, as such it makes sense that we would cover his games and series as well. For the Super Smash Bros. series, it's a bit more difficult to explain, but I do think our coverage on it is relevant. Crossovers are a tricky subject. For example, Link has crossed over into the Mario series on several occasions, and we cover him like we would any other Mario character. Though for cases like, say, Marth, he doesn't appear in the Mario series all that often. However, with Super Mario Maker, he does appear in a Mario series game, which ultimately makes his coverage, albeit a small one, relevant.
Overall, I see no problem with our coverage on the extended Mario universe. It's really when we start going into Wikipedia-like content that bothers me. Think of it this way, though: Say someone only knows of the Super Mario Wiki and plays Super Smash Bros. Brawl, but not knowing about the Smash Wiki, wants to know who Wolf O'Donnell is. We would provide a small coverage on the character, relevant enough to the connections in Smash Bros. between him and the Mario series, and at the end, direct them to the Smash Wiki. But because Wolf and Mario appear alongside each other in a game, we should have an article on him. Not having an article on him when said someone wants to look him up when he appears alongside Mario may leave the reader confused.

It's all about the reader. 17:51, 19 July 2017 (EDT)

We're not the Donkey Kong Wiki, nor the Smash Wiki. There's no need to follow what the other wikis are doing. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 18:29, 19 July 2017 (EDT)

Except the other Wikis aren't doing that. Last I checked DKWiki, they were doing an abysmal job at keeping things up to date. And, DK is an offshoot of the Mario series. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:32, 19 July 2017 (CT)

For the games in question, it shouldn't be Super Mario Wiki's job to make sure that things are covered and are up-to-date, unless you have an account both at DKWiki and Super Mario Wiki. I would argue that if we stopped covering the games I am questioning, it would help DKWiki get the attention it deserves. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 18:41, 19 July 2017 (EDT)

Like I said, I have no problem with our coverage. We have a brief opening paragraph about the character's origins, then goes into a simple explanation of their relation to Mario. No, I do not think we should limit the characters to one page, as they can, and in some cases, do appear in the Mario series. Super Smash Bros. is a collective of series, from Super Mario to The Legend of Zelda to Street Fighter, and since by extension they are all related to the Mario franchise. I realize ZeldaWiki and Bulbapedia don't cover the games to the extend we do, but the point of a wikipedia of any kind is to cover any and all related subjects in an as accurate and up to date manner as possible. Covering Pikachu would fall under that, no?

As for Super Mario 64 on DKWiki, Donkey Kong or any Kong-related character or setting, doesn't appear in the game, so the coverage would be irrelevant. But since Shulk appears next to Bowser, we should. If we followed the other wiki's example, we wouldn't cover settings like Alltrades Abbey or characters like Yangus, despite being a playable setting and character in the heavily Mario-based crossover sports games. 18:37, 19 July 2017 (EDT)

Throwing in my two cents, I personally think the wiki is fine as-is covering offshoot franchises, such as DK and Smash. After all, neither of these franchises would even exist if it weren't for Mario. And like Alex said, the wiki is meant for the readers, and that would include new readers who have experience with Mario, but may not have experience with other characters, and got introduced to them via Smash or cameos. As such, reducing coverage on that would hurt our readerbase, remove from our encyclopedic aim, drastically change the entire structure of the site, and overall... it just wouldn't be the Super Mario Wiki anymore. It'd be a much more conservative place, something I'm unfamiliar with and something I'd personally would not enjoy, and I'm sure many other people would feel the same way. Your arguments essentially boil down to "it's not Mario enough", and quite frankly, that's a rather weak argument. If something appears in a Mario game, appears alongside Mario characters, or appears somewhere that wouldn't exist without Mario, then it is worthy of at least brief coverage if we want to go for the most complete encyclopedia we can. Therefore, I would staunchly oppose retracting coverage of DK and Smash. LB (talk • edits • forum) 18:47, 19 July 2017 (EDT)

Your argument is kind of confusing. Donkey Kong (game) was the first game Mario appeared in so actually, without Donkey Kong, Mario wouldn't be here. We should cover Donkey Kong, but in a similar way that Mario is covered on DKWiki, and only mention DK's presence in games starring Mario, such as Mario vs. Donkey Kong (series). Donkey Kong Country (series) is overreaching. We should cover how DK is a rival to Mario, not the things he as done not related to Mario at all. DKWiki covers Mario how he is the rival of DK, not the games that don't have anything to do with DK. That's my argument against covering DK's games on Super Mario Wiki. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 23:22, 19 July 2017 (EDT)

Per. They're about as Mario as Mario's Time Machine. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 18:48, 19 July 2017 (EDT)

One problem with that argument and that is Donkey Kong isn't referenced at all in Mario's Time Machine, except in a portrait in the NES version, which is a reference to Donkey Kong Jr., and that barely matters as validation to cover what we do but shouldn't. We cover MTM because it features the controllable character Mario, even though it doesn't fit the mold of established genres of the character. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 23:22, 19 July 2017 (EDT)

You don't get it, don't you? The mere fact that Donkey Kong is a Mario character makes Donkey Kong 64 a Mario game. It doesn't matter whether Mario himself appears in it. If a Mario character is a main character in a game, it's a Mario game. 18:49, 19 July 2017 (EDT)

No, Donkey Kong 64 is a Donkey Kong game. But since Donkey Kong debuted and is currently a Mario character, we cover him and his series as well. 18:51, 19 July 2017 (EDT)

You're talking about restructuring how we cover games as a whole. Of course that's going to include more people than just you and me :P 18:53, 19 July 2017 (EDT)

That's my point. Donkey Kong 64 is a Mario game BECAUSE Donkey Kong is a Mario character. 18:58, 19 July 2017 (EDT)

Does that mean that that Super Mario 64 is a DK game because Mario and DK are closely related characters? That's the reasoning you are giving me trying to validate Donkey Kong 64 being a Mario game. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 23:22, 19 July 2017 (EDT)

This is a discussion that will ultimately go nowhere. You asked what my views are on the coverage, and I gave them. This type of discussion has been brought up several times, and porplemontage (talk) has the final say on the matter. And he has said his point multiple times. No. We are not changing how we cover the Donkey Kong and Super Smash Bros. games. The Smash characters appear alongside Mario and the others, in which every character plays a major role in, and Donkey Kong debuted as a Mario character and his series derived from Mario's, and so we cover both series as normal. End of discussion. Bringing this up again will be a fruitless effort. 19:03, 19 July 2017 (EDT)

I didn't expect an immediate change. The goal of this conversation is to get the ball rolling re-evaluating what we cover here. If it were to happen, the change will be gradual and take years to instill the mentality and shift. This is how real life works with anything. Takes a long time for radical change to take place. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 23:22, 19 July 2017 (EDT)

You're posting in a public area about changing something that has been here for years and is something that a lot of people feel strongly about. It's no surprise when people speak up. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 23:40, 19 July 2017 (EDT)

I never expected things to escalate the way it did. However, current coverage is something to think about and examine more closely to see if a shift in coverage would be a good idea. I can see people being sentimental about such a drastic shift in coverage, especially if people are long time contributors. Just like everyone else editing in good faith, I hope to make this wiki as best as it can be, even if what I am suggesting means cutting out a lot of content, which I don't see in the near future. Long term future, maybe. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 23:50, 19 July 2017 (EDT)

Unless you change Steve's mind, what you're proposing is not going to happen, flat-out. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 23:52, 19 July 2017 (EDT)

I tried, but I think more time needs to pass for his opinions to shift, if at all. He may be the owner, but kindly sharing criticisms of Super Mario Wiki to him shouldn't deter anyone from voicing them. Just don't push too far or cross a line, which I didn't. Maybe if enough people talk to him, in a nice manner, maybe he will allow the change. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 23:59, 19 July 2017 (EDT)

Or you could not press the issue. Most of the users here see it as a positive. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 00:03, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

I can't quantify that if that statement is true. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 00:05, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

You've had several active users speak up here. It's not definitive, but it's a good litmus test. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 00:08, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

I think there is some bias with the results because only five or so members participated. Also we are excluding non-members and members that have no idea this conversation took place. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 00:14, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

Like I said, it's not definitive, but at the same time, out of the people who were involved in this discussion, none agreed with you. If you want a larger sample size, how about this proposal to consider Minecraft as a guest appearance? Out of fifteen people who voted, all but one supported it (and before you mention that it was from 2016, most, if not all, of those users are still active today). This community is only so big. Alternatively, there's also this proposal that set out to delete all Smash Bros content, and a majority of users voted aginst it (although this time, I will concede that this was six years ago, and not all of those participating users are still here today). Yes, the Minecraft proposal covers a much smaller subject than what's being discussed here, but it shows that there's a general consensus for users being comfortable with those kinds of articles appearing on the wiki. Also, even if multiple users agree to the idea, that doesn't mean anything if Steve is not convinced. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 00:30, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

I consider your examples surface level analysis. For Minecraft, I looked a little deeper and concluded that the mechanic is not Mario-like, so Minecraft shouldn't be an article, although Mario is referenced in a way more than List of Mario references in video games do, it does deserve coverage to some capacity, which are only two choices are full or partial, which puts crossovers in a very weird spot of covering things that vary wildly how they are related to Mario. I was open to a third option that is in between the two ways to cover things. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 00:49, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

Are you certain that your personal bias isn't causing you to dismiss this as surface level analyses? Hello, I'm Time Turner. 00:52, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

Not certain, but I try to exclude my own biases as best as I can to keep things as objective as possible. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 01:03, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

I can personally confirm a significant number of users would be strongly opposed to such radical changes, regardless of how long term they may be. In fact, you are quite literally the only user I have seen in support of this idea. Now, restating what Alex said, I really don't think there is any value in furthering this discussion along, or trying to spark it up again in the near future, so it really should cease now before it gets any worse. LB (talk • edits • forum) 00:12, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

Get worse? If things get worse, I'll get an admin involved. This is and should stay a rational discussion. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 00:14, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

Admin here. Coverage is not changing any time soon, this has been discussed over and over. And even if it were to change in a distant future, axing all DK content is completely out of question because by all means Donkey Kong is now classified as a Mario character, regardless of how they begun. As for Smash content, we have also discussed that to great lengths and it's not something that will change in the near future. --™ The 'Shroom 00:41, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

I mean get an admin involved if bad behavior erupts. Also, I am not suggesting all DK content be removed. Only the bits not related to Mario at all. I already knew this won't happen any time soon. The distant future is maybe or not at all. I hope this discussion is revisited periodically, but without enacting changes, as people's views change. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 00:49, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

I can personally guarantee that you will never see a time where we change our coverage of DK to what you want.

The preceding unsigned comment was added by ‎Chester Alan Arthur (talk).

It's not what I want specifically. It's what others might feel is a better path. Only time will tell if my arguments are rendered wrong. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 01:03, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

See but you can already see that people don't care for your ideas like what are they 7 people on this talk page who have all said they don't want to change the policy. Do you think there's a silent majority that just doesn't want to say anything. Like we can take the fact that at least 5 very prominent users have expressed noting but opposition to you ideas as basic evidence that they will be rejected in a landslide. Like you want to say this isn't a proper figure but if you think that then your nuts. Chester Alan Arthur (talk)

Let's not resort to insults. The way my thinking works is the popular direction isn't always the good direction and vise-versa; majority whim could be a problem sometimes. The problem with a majority is that if they are convinced something should be, they rule, no matter how detrimental it can truly be to others. True, can't avoid majority rule here on the wiki, especially with MarioWiki:Proposals, but we shouldn't just blindly accept the majority 100% of the time and never question the decision again. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 01:25, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

Let's ignore consensus because it inconveniences the minority is a terrible, terrible mindset. I am not a professional on how things work around here but consensus should obviously rule over the complaints of a minority. That is not to say that there should be no compromise given, ever: the goal of any debate should be to try to get to where all parties are at least somewhat satisfied, but ignoring consensus is never a good thing. Serpent King 01:39, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

Wikipedia:Tyranny of the majority --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 01:58, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

Tyranny of the majority only applies if the majority is making votes for their own self-interest. If you're going to seriously make the claim that the majority of users here do not care for the wiki, I can only call that ridiculous and close minded. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 02:03, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

Goodness gracious, Goose, do you want an actual warning? Last time I was in a group that started attacking the mods for petty reasons, they were out of there pretty quickly (usually by there own volition and action). Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:09, 20 July 2017

OK, this is going too far. Why are you accusing me of doing that? No mod was threatened by me. I already got in contact with one to end this. This isn't constructively contributing to the discussion anymore. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 02:14, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

You literally just unsubtley accused this community of "Tyranny of majority" and heavily implied that the mods here were allowing this alleged "tyranny." If that's not what you did, I'm not sure how I suddenly ended up in an alternate universe. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:18, 20 July 2017

No. That statement was strictly for Serpent King (talk) and explaining to him there is a flaw with his argument being in favor of majority rule. It wasn't for you or Super Mario Wiki at large. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 02:22, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

Again, tyranny of the majority doesn't work that way. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 02:24, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

Which is great because I had been trying to restate what the others were saying in what I hoped was a rational and easy to understand way. Clearly I have failed. Serpent King 02:26, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

Somewhere, the conversation derailed and went off-topic. I didn't think I would be in this position. The conversation isn't even about coverage Super Mario Wiki should cover anymore and has ceased being constructive. I got in contact with Alex95 (talk) so he can officially put an end to this talk thread. If he doesn't respond, I'll have to get in contact with another admin. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 02:36, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

He did put an end to it, as seen below. You just didn't stop talking. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:40, 20 July 2017

Technically he said I could keep talking about it, just without his involvement. I immediately regret continuing the discussion without him. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 02:47, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

I'll point out that it derailed right at the point where you said that consensus doesn't matter. When you make comments like that, the discussion is bound to get off topic because no one wants to hear that sort of thing. Also, if you want to have a true coverage discussion, might I suggest making a section over on the relevant talk page? Serpent King 02:42, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

Originally, wanted just two participants, but it didn't stay like that for long. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) contributed to that derailment, so we are both at fault. Lesson learned before you mentioned that talk page, as I replied on Alex95 (talk)'s talk page. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 02:47, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

Shoulda specified it was for him and not a blanket statement. Because that's what it came off as. Especially since he basically restated what was said, like he said. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:32, 20 July 2017

Well my comment is right below his, so I didn't think context would be lost. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 02:36, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

Also admin here. Per Tucayo.

Shokora (talk · edits) 00:55, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

And only time will tell if everyone here wins the lottery or if the world suddenly blows up or if Nintendo takes down this site or if, or if, or if, and it infinitely goes on from there. It's incredibly easy to talk about potential futures and "what-if" scenarios, but it's a meaningless statement. An entire myriad of things may happen in the future, or they may not. Relying on a single one of those possibilities to occur, out of the entire gamut of possibilities, is jut foolhardy. I get it. I seriously do: you want what's best for the wiki. The thing is, everyone here does. Nobody has the perfect solution that will solve everyone's problems; nobody could possibly be that prescient. That's why we have discussions and proposals to ultimately come to a solution. In this case, we have a discussion that has reached a conclusion by several users. You can't cling onto some blind, desperate hope that everyone will suddenly change their minds. As someone who has had more than a few proposals be completely shut down, the best advice that I can give you is to accept what the majority of users want and continue contributing from there. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 01:14, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

It's not even about what-ifs. People's opinions change and will change. It's not that I am pondering about a future that might not ever be, it's about not being immediately so resistant to new ideas. Take some time to think about the idea before immediately responding to it. As we speak, I am thinking about why people want DK games to stay. I just haven't resolved it in my head yet. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 01:25, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

You keep talking about people's opinions changing as if it's a guarantee, as if the world will bend over to grant your whims. This is not a new idea: you've talked about this in the past, and one of the proposals I linked to above was from 2011. The users here are not dismissing this because it's a new and frightening idea, they're dismissing it because they've already have plenty of time to mull it over and come to a conclusion. I, myself, have been here for several years, and the issue of keeping the articles is something that I've already thought about in plenty of detail. Let me tell you this bluntly: no, my opinion will not change. Ii can guarantee you that I've thought about this long enough to say that with certainty. You're free to talk about people's opinions changing, but at some, with enough people telling you the same thing, you need to take the time to consider things from their point of view. Besides, what's to stop me from saying that your opinion will change in the future? Your argument works both ways. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 01:38, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

Of course others are going to comment because 1) this conversation isn't exactly private and 2) it's a discussion about making a major change to how the wiki functions. You asked me what my thoughts on coverage were. After I gave you them, I expected the conversation to end around there. But then your next message went into your usual "Here's what I think we should do" spiel about this subject. I think you are a great editor here, I do, and you have helped out a lot with your image uploads and guidelines. But a topic like this is either better left unsaid or should have been brought up with the guy who decides everything that happens on this wiki.

You can keep the conversation going about this if you want to, but I'm dropping it. This isn't a topic I wish to see continue, nor was it a topic I wanted to start. Consider this an informal warning. 01:45, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

FULL STOP, KIDS.

This garbage has gone on long enough. This has gone around the bend twice over and it's done now. All valid points to the root discussion have been made and replied to, there is nothing else to add. If you feel otherwise, contact an admin privately. Don't reply to this or any other message about this topic anywhere else on Wiki controlled spaces or I will personally give you a forced vacation, the rules be damned. -- Ghost Jam 02:49, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

WarioWare: D.I.Y. downloadable microgames

Hi, I was wondering if you could give me the info regarding the source you used to help complete some of the articles on the downloadable microgames in WarioWare: D.I.Y., because I plan on finishing some of the articles myself. Thanks! ^(T|C) 19:26, 19 July 2017 (EDT)