MarioWiki:Proposals

Current time: Monday, January 6th, 20:42 GMT

Proposals can be new features, the removal of previously-added features that have tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action is taken. Voting periods last for two weeks, but can close early or be extended (see below). Any autoconfirmed user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so. All proposals must be approved by a majority of voters, including proposals with more than two options. For past proposals, see the proposal archive and the talk page proposal archive.

If you would like to get feedback on an idea before formally proposing it here, you may do so on the proposals talk. For talk page proposals, you can discuss the changes on the talk page itself before creating the TPP there.

How to

If someone has an idea about improving the wiki or managing its community, but feel that they need community approval before acting upon that idea, they may make a proposal about it. They must have a strong argument supporting their idea and be willing to discuss it in detail with other users, who will then vote on whether or not they think the idea should be implemented. Proposals should include links to all relevant pages and writing guidelines. Proposals must include a link to the draft page. Any pages that would be largely affected by the proposal should be marked with {{proposal notice}}.

Rules

1. Only autoconfirmed users may create or vote on proposals. Anyone is free to comment on proposals (provided that the page's protection level allows them to edit).
2. Proposals conclude at the end of the day (23:59) two weeks after voting starts (all times GMT).
   • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, the voting starts immediately and the deadline is two weeks later on Monday, August 15, at 23:59 GMT.
3. Users may vote for more than one option, but they may not vote for every option available.
4. Every vote should have a strong, sensible reason accompanying it. Agreeing with a previously mentioned reason given by another user is acceptable (including "per" votes), but tangential comments, heavy sarcasm, and other misleading or irrelevant quips are just as invalid as providing no reason at all.
5. Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. Voters can remove or rewrite their own vote(s) at any time, but the final decision to remove another user's vote lies solely with the wiki staff.
   • Users can also use the comments section to bring up any concerns or mistakes in regards to the proposal itself. In such cases, it's important the proposer addresses any concerns raised as soon as possible. Even if the supporting side might be winning by a wide margin, that should be no reason for such questions to be left unanswered. They may point out any missing details that might have been overlooked by the proposer, so it's a good idea as the proposer to check them frequently to achieve the most accurate outcome possible.
6. If a user makes a vote and is subsequently blocked for any amount of time, their vote is removed. However, if the block ends before the proposal ends, then the user in question holds the right to re-cast their vote. If a proposer is blocked, their vote is removed and "(blocked)" is added next to their name in the "Proposer:" line of the proposal, which runs until its deadline as normal. If the proposal passes, it falls to the supporters of the idea to enact any changes in a timely manner.
7. Proposals cannot contradict an already ongoing proposal or overturn the decision of a previous proposal that concluded less than four weeks (28 days) ago.
8. If one week before a proposal's initial deadline, the first place option is ahead of the second place option by eight or more votes and the first place option has at least 80% approval, then the proposal concludes early. Wiki staff may tag a proposal with "Do not close early" at any time to prevent an early close, if needed.
   • Tag the proposal with {{early notice}} if it is on track for an early close. Use {{proposal check|early=yes}} to perform the check.
9. Any proposal where none of the options have at least four votes will be extended for another week. If after three extensions, no options have at least four votes, the proposal will be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
10. If a proposal reaches its deadline and there is a tie for first place, then the proposal is extended for another week.
11. If a proposal reaches its deadline and the first place option is ahead of the second place option by three or more votes, then the first place option must have over 50% approval to win. If the margin is only one or two votes, then the first place option must have at least 60% approval to win. If the required approval threshold is not met, then the proposal is extended for another week.
    • Use {{proposal check}} to automate this calculation; see the template page for usage instructions and examples.
12. Proposals can be extended a maximum of three times. If a consensus has not been reached by the fourth deadline, then the proposal fails and cannot be re-proposed until at least four weeks after the last deadline.
13. All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of an administrator, the proposer can ask for that help.
14. After a proposal passes, it is added to the appropriate list of "unimplemented proposals" below and is removed once it has been sufficiently implemented.
15. If the wiki staff deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to cancel it at any time.
16. Proposals can only be rewritten or canceled by their proposer within the first four days of their creation. However, proposers can request that their proposal be canceled by a staff member at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it. Please note that canceled proposals must also be archived.
17. Unless there is major disagreement about whether certain content should be included, there should not be proposals about creating, expanding, rewriting, or otherwise fixing up pages. To organize efforts about improving articles on neglected or completely missing subjects, try setting up a collaboration thread on the forums.
18. Proposals cannot be made about promotions and demotions. Staff changes are discussed internally and handled by the bureaucrats.
19. No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.
20. Proposals must have a status quo option (e.g. Oppose, Do nothing) unless the status quo itself violates policy.

Basic proposal formatting

Below is an example of what your proposal must look like. If you are unsure how to set up this format, simply copy the following and paste it into the fitting section. When updating the bracketed variables with actual information, be sure to replace the whole variable including the square brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information" and not "[This is the inserted information]". Proposals presenting multiple alternative courses of action can have more than two voting options, but the objective(s) of each voting option must be clearly defined. Such options should also be kept to a minimum, and if something comes up in the comments, the proposal can be amended as necessary.

===[insert a title for your proposal here]===
[describe what issue this proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the wiki handles that issue]

'''Proposer''': {{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}}<br>
'''Deadline''': {{subst:#time:F j, Y|+2 weeks}}, 23:59 GMT

====[option title (e.g. Support, Option 1)]: [brief summary of option]====
#{{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}} [make a statement indicating that you support your proposal]

====[option title (e.g. Oppose, Option 2)]: [brief summary of option]====

====Comments ([brief proposal title])====

Autoconfirmed users will now be able to vote on your proposal. Remember that you can vote on your own proposal just like the others.

To vote for an option, just insert #{{User|[your username here]}} at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on another user's proposal. If you are voting on your own proposal, you can simply say "Per proposal".

Talk page proposals

Proposals concerning a single page or a limited group of pages are held on the most relevant talk page regarding the matter. All of the above proposal rules also apply to talk page proposals. Place {{TPP}} under the section's header, and once the proposal is over, replace the template with {{settled TPP}}. Proposals dealing with a large amount of splits, merges, or deletions across the wiki should still be held on this page.

All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom) using {{TPP discuss}}. Include a brief description of the proposal while also mentioning any pages affected by it, a link to the talk page housing the discussion, and the deadline. If the proposal involves a page that is not yet made, use {{fake link}} to communicate its title in the description. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links.

List of ongoing talk page proposals

• Rename Mario & Sonic (series) to Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games (series) (discuss) Deadline: January 6, 2025, 23:59 GMT
• Rename Shadow to Shadow (enemy), and rename either Shadow (character) or Shadow (disambiguation) to Shadow (discuss) Deadline: January 6, 2025, 23:59 GMT
• Decide what to do with Category:Siblings and Category:Twins (discuss) Deadline: January 7, 2025, 23:59 GMT
• What to do about Wiggler Family (discuss) Deadline: January 11, 2025, 23:59 GMT
• Split the Ink Bomb (discuss) Deadline: January 12, 2025, 23:59 GMT
• Split the Giant Bowser battle Refreshroom (discuss) Deadline: January 12, 2025, 23:59 GMT
• Tighten Category:Thieves (discuss) Deadline: January 14, 2025, 23:59 GMT
• Delete The Legend of Zelda (television series) (discuss) Deadline: January 16, 2025, 23:59 GMT
• Merge individual Special Shots from Mario Hoops 3-on-3 into Special Shot (Mario Hoops 3-on-3 and Mario Sports Mix) (discuss) Deadline: January 16, 2025, 23:59 GMT
• Remove “references” from the front page header (discuss) Deadline: January 16th, 2025, 23:59 GMT
• Rename Robo Kikki to "Robo Monchee" (discuss) Deadline: January 18, 2025, 23:59 GMT
• Move or Split id's Super Mario Bros. 3 Tech Demo (discuss) Deadline: January 19, 2025, 23:59 GMT
• Rename Comet Luma to Lumacomète (discuss) Deadline: January 19, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Unimplemented proposals

Proposals

Break alphabetical order in enemy lists to list enemy variants below their base form, EvieMaybe (ended May 21, 2024)

Standardize sectioning for Super Mario series game articles, Nintendo101 (ended July 3, 2024)

^ NOTE: Not yet integrated for the Super Mario Maker titles, Super Mario Run, and Super Mario Bros. Wonder.

Create new sections for gallery pages to cover "unused/pre-release/prototype/etc." graphics separate from the ones that appear in the finalized games, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 2, 2024)

Add film and television ratings to Template:Ratings, TheUndescribableGhost (ended October 1, 2024)

Use the classic and classic link templates when discussing classic courses in Mario Kart Tour, YoYo (ended October 2, 2024)

Clarify coverage of the Super Smash Bros. series, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended October 17, 2024)

Remove all subpage and redirect links from all navigational templates, JanMisali (ended October 31, 2024)

Prioritize MESEN/NEStopia palette for NES sprites and screenshots, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended November 3, 2024)

Stop considering reused voice clips as references (usually), Waluigi Time (ended November 8, 2024)

Allow English names from closed captions, Koopa con Carne (ended November 12, 2024)

^ NOTE: A number of names coming from closed captions are listed here.

Split off the Mario Kart Tour template(s), MightyMario (ended November 24, 2024)

Split major RPG appearances of recurring locations, EvieMaybe (ended December 16, 2024)

Stop integrating templates under the names of planets and areas in the Super Mario Galaxy games, Nintendo101 (ended December 25, 2024)

Talk page proposals

Split all the clothing, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 12, 2021)

Split machine parts, Robo-Rabbit, and flag from Super Duel Mode, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 30, 2022)

Make bestiary list pages for the Minion Quest and Bowser Jr.'s Journey modes, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended January 11, 2024)

Allow separate articles for Diddy Kong Pilot (2003)'s subjects, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended August 3, 2024)

Create articles for specified special buildings in Super Mario Run, Salmancer (ended November 15, 2024)

Expand and rename List of characters by game to List of characters by first appearance, Hewer (ended November 20, 2024)

Merge False Character and Fighting Polygon/Wireframe/Alloy/Mii Teams into List of Super Smash Bros. series bosses, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended December 2, 2024)

Make changes to List of Smash Taunt characters, Hewer (ended December 27, 2024)

Merge ON/OFF Conveyor Belt with Conveyor Belt, PopitTart (ended January 1, 2025)

List of Talk Page Proposals

• Delete Poop (Discuss) Deadline : March 9, 2014 23:59 GMT
• Split Flower into two separate articles (Discuss) Deadline : March 17, 2014, 23:59 GMT
• Delete Pizza (Discuss) Deadline : March 17, 2014, 23:59 GMT
• Overhaul Mushroom World page (Discuss) Deadline : March 19, 2014, 23:59 GMT
• Delete Plumber (Discuss) Deadline: March 20, 2013, 23:59 GMT
• Delete Plumb Fu (Discuss) Deadline: March 20, 2013, 23:59 GMT

Writing Guidelines

None at the moment.

New features

None at the moment.

=Remove fake templates

All those fake reminders, construction templates etc. are useless to the Mario Wiki. They should stick with all the "real" templates.

e.g. of fake:

e.g. of real:

All I am requesting is that the 1st example and similar templates shouldn't be allowed to be made anymore, to assist articles, not for humor.

Proposer: YoshiToad04 (talk)
Deadline: March 13th @ 23:59 GMT

Support

1. YoshiToad04 (talk) Per proposal

Changes

Change the identificator for the multiple Mario Kart courses

It is well known that there has been multiple incarnations of the same track throughout the Mario Kart series, these are the well known Mario Circuit, Bowser's Castle and Rainbow Road. Long ago those pages were splitted into the several pages in order to accomodate the different incarnations in the series, reducing the main article's lenght drastically but doing the navigation a lot more efficient (though I got to admit that ruined my plans to nominate Rainbow Road to be a FA). The only issue here is the identificator used for each page: all use the abbreviation of the origin console, i.e. Mario Circuit (GCN), Bowser's Castle (N64), Rainbow Road (SNES) (the only exception is Wii, but still applies). While this was surely done to match how retro courses are indentificated in the retro cups, these indentificators are technically breaking the fourth rule especified on the naming guideline, therefore, the identificators are useless the way they are. Having the console name is ambiguous too due to multiple incarnations of the same track appearing in a same game, thanks to retro cups again. This proposal aims to change the identificators for all those courses, and what a better way than doing it by using the name of the Mario Kart game. This means:

• Mario Circuit (GCN) → Mario Circuit (Mario Kart: Double Dash!!)
• Bowser's Castle (N64) → Bowser's Castle (Mario Kart 64)
• Rainbow Road (SNES) → Rainbow Road (Super Mario Kart)

It looks neatier and more professional. Of course, tracks with numbers or an alternate name should not be affected by this. I also suggest that a breif description is added into every main page for the courses, especially the Mario Circuit one, which has a whole large section covering the numbered tracks on Super Mario Kart, but then follows with a bad-looking listing compiling the rest of the tracks, with no mention of how they are or look, not even an image is in there.

Proposer: Byllant (talk)
Deadline: March 7, 2014, 23:59 GMT

Change the identificator

1. Byllant (talk) - What I recommend to users is to choose this proposal.

Do nothing

1. Walkazo (talk) - Per Porplemontage in the comments. I also sorta think that it looks better to have nice, succinct abbreviations; like back in the day when the long, windy game names were initialized too, only here it's also rooted in the official Retro titles so it's not just an aesthetics thing anymore.
2. Epic Rosalina (talk) Per Walkazo.
3. Mario4Ever (talk) Per Walkazo.
4. Marshal Dan Troop (talk) Per the Porpe.
5. Randombob-omb4761 (talk) Per all.
6. Magikrazy (talk) Your idea seems a little cumbersome. Per the rest.
7. Baby Luigi (talk) The abbreviation modifiers are used in the track names themselves in the games, as Walkazo has stated, so this proposal is making things less convenient.
8. SeanWheeler (talk) Per Baby Luigi.
9. Super Mario Bros. (talk) – Per Porplemontage below. This is the official naming system for retro tracks designed by Nintendo and we should remain consistent with it.
10. Mario (talk) Pointless. The current condition is O.K. stated by numerous users (and me), and something being more "professional" is subjective. Oh, and rules get broken all the time anyway.
11. YoshiToad04 (talk) Per all.

Comments

I'm pretty sure it doesn't deserve a proposal. As per the Naming Policy Part #2. You could just move it without a proposal. didn't see the b part :/Dashbot (talk)

The rule you cite discourages abbreviating game names as article identifiers, and that's not what's happening with the retro courses. The identifiers used are simply the identifiers provided by Nintendo in the form of console abbreviations (as outlined in rule 2(c) in the link above). When the topic of an article appears in multiple games, the identifier tries to bridge the gap instead of just covering the first appearance. If I'm playing Mario Kart 7 and I want to find out more about this "SNES Rainbow Road" track, I'll search "SNES Rainbow Road" and when "Rainbow Road (SNES)" comes up, that makes sense. "Rainbow Road (Super Mario Kart)" is perfect for the case of Super Mario Kart, but it's less-intuitive when referring to it as a retro course. At least (SNES) applies to both cases and it doesn't require any prior knowledge to match a retro course in a game with its identifier in the article title. --Porplemontage (talk) 05:54, 28 February 2014 (EST)

But that's a very irrelevant topic, you are giving priority to the retro tracks rather than the original track. Of course, I get that tracks get updated and the matter, but I find using console name quite unprofessional, and in a sense, if I take on count what you are saying, then all identifiers are useless as using the console name is the same as useless as using the source game because with the concept of retro tracks, all of them are not limited to one game but also a different game in a different console. The original Rainbow Road from Super Mario Kart is not only limited to the SNES as it has appeared in 3 Mario Kart games, and in Mario Kart: Super Circuit there was no suffix to distinguish it from that game's original Rainbow Road. So as you see, not even the leaving the suffixes as they are is the best idea. If you want to formulate the tracks as they are labeled in retro cups, then it should be with the console name at the beginning followed by the track name. Tracks are more than retro tracks, they were once original tracks from thier source games, and like many stuff from the series, it has chances to be in a future game, which why in my opinion the original game should take priority. Even if this proposal fails it will not remain the same, it's quite funny that I once proposed the idea of using italic titles but all users denied the idea finding it very unnecesary, but then what happened? you came without telling anybody (making a proposal) and created the italic template and suddenly everybody agreed to have it just because you are the founder, a similar thing, but not involving you, happened when I proposed to rename the Venus Fire Trap to Fire Piranha, at first I failed but another user proposed another name change and now the article is called Fire Piranha Plant. This kind of corruption is what I love to see failing in this wiki. --Byllant (talk) 13:49, 5 March 2014 (EST)

Corruption? Are you seriously calling us out for being corrupt? The admins like, have no say in your Fire Piranha proposal except for a support by Marshall Dan Troop of your proposal. I think the reason your proposal failed because the more recent proposal gave a stronger reason to support being moved and was worded better, rather than corruption on our part. As for the italic title suggestion, maybe the founder has a better reason than you to make an italic template? Maybe he even agrees with you rather than the rest???????????

On the subject to the game title, it's the name used in the most recent Mario Karts. Rainbow Road is even called SNES Rainbow Road. But I think we leave it as Rainbow Road SNES because 1. the first part is giving homage to the original name in the game and the modifier (SNES), is to give homage to the more recent games in the series where it was called SNES Rainbow Road. We name things like that because, as our naming policy states, we use the most recent game stuff, not the original source name. Baby Luigi (talk)

"[...]Mario Kart: Super Circuit there was no suffix to distinguish it from that game's original Rainbow Road[...]"

First, Mario Kart: Super Circuit is the first game to include retro tracks. Second, the retro half Mario Kart: Super Circuit is only SNES tracks, so using "SNES" for each retro track name would be pointless. After all, each track falls already in cups labeled "extra". It's in the later Mario Karts where retro tracks are from several games. If you're basing your entire argument on this, it's a flimsy argument.

"The original Rainbow Road from Super Mario Kart is not only limited to the SNES as it has appeared in 3 Mario Kart games"

The original Rainbow Road originated from an SNES game, hence why we give the "SNES" suffix. "SNES" is also more recognizable than "SMK". It's been also long established in games, since Mario Kart DS, that the formatting we have now is acceptable. Looking "professional" is entirely subjective, and I have no problems with the nomenclature of this time being.

Just because something apparently breaks a simple guideline in this wiki does not necessarily mean it is wrong. This needs to be stressed: If a rule is an obstacle to the upkeep of the wiki, ignore it. Mario (talk)

Disallow signatures only in voting

A.K.A. signatures should be allowed in comments section in general.

Okay okay we had this proposal way back, which is basically what I'm proposing: we loosen the No-Sig policy by allowing signatures in more places, specifically, the comments section. One of the main reason the proposal failed is that it's "too complicated". Now, I've said approximately one year ago that it's not complicated; it's just poor wording. To sum it up, this proposal, if passed, disallows signatures only in voting. This is simple and straightforward to follow. With the current ruleset, we can sign in talk page proposal comments, but not comments in Featured Articles and here? THAT'S the more complicated one.

The only valid argument from the opposition, then, is that signatures can increase loading times. While true, the space that is saved is miniscule. MarioWiki project pages (like this one and the Featured Article pages), the pages that disallow signatures, are much smaller than a lot of mainspace talk pages (Talk:Mario Kart 8, Talk:Mario, Talk:Bowser) which do allow signatures. I recall that MarioWiki used to run in a MUCH slower server than it is now. Or maybe it's just me. Either way, (for me at least) the main reason a page loads slowly is its size, not from the amount of signatures it has.

The biggest reason I'm proposing this, however, is that again and again, people often make comments and sign with their signatures, and somebody else comes in and makes an insignificant change back to {{User|User Person}}. Enforcing the No-Sig policy, in this case, feels so... unproductive. At least, for me.

Of course, if there are exceptions, it must be stated (and for a good reason). But that's not the point of a rule. A rule is supposed to help people contribute, not have them waste their time "correcting" one signature in a comment section.

After all, signing with ~~~~ after a comment is supposed to be a good habit.

Proposer: Mario (talk)
Deadline: March 13, 2013, 23:59 GMT

Support

1. Mario (talk) There is a good reason to bar signatures in voting, but there is hardly good reason to bar signatures in comments sections.
2. Ashley and Red (talk)Per proposal.
3. Tails777 (talk) I fully get it now and I'm good. Per proposal.

Comments

Sorry, but I'm a bit confused, is this proposal allowing people to sign with their signature in the comments of propsals/FA nominations or disallowing it? Tails777 (talk)

Disallowing signatures only in voting simply means that signatures are allowed everywhere else except for voting. So, yes, it allows people to sign with their signatures in comments sections. Mario (talk)

After all, people are already barred from using their fancy signatures in the comments of proposals/FA nominations anyway. Mario (talk)

Miscellaneous

Merge Pages with Nintendo Network

Right now many features of the Nintendo Network are separated across many pages: Nintendo Network, two Nintendo eShop sections on the Wii U and 3DS pages, Miiverse, and Virtual Console. My proposal is to merge all of these pages onto the Nintendo Network page. Each topic would have its own section, and the Nintendo eShop would become its own section, with Virtual Console nestled below it. There are also alternatives such as creating a section with a few sentences on a certain feature and a link to the main article. For this proposal, voting will be a bit different. Add your username in support or oppose for all the sections, but be sure not to have conflicting votes (e.g. supporting both merging the Miiverse page and creating a small section with a main article link to Miiverse).

Proposer: Mario7 (talk)
Deadline: March 13, 2013, 23:59 GMT

Move Pages

Move Miiverse to the Nintendo Network page as a section

Support

1. Mario7 (talk) This would keep everything organized and grouped together.

Move the Nintendo eShop sections to the Nintendo Network page as a single section

Note: You can support this option as well as the option: Create an eShop section that describe the Nintendo eShop.

Support

1. Mario7 (talk) This would keep everything organized and grouped together.

Oppose

1. Ashley and Red (talk)No,because:

1.The Nintend Network article will get mich karge with it 2.It is good as it already is:Miiverse article is specified and has their only characteristics. So no! 3.Images and Mario Related info fits better in the Miiverse article

Move Virtual Console to the Nintendo Network page as a section nested under the eShop section

Support

1. Mario7 (talk) This would keep everything organized and grouped together.

Create Sections

Create an eShop section that describe the Nintendo eShop

Note: You can support this option as well as the option: Move the Nintendo eShop sections to the Nintendo Network page as a single section.

Support

1. Mario7 (talk) This would keep everything organized and grouped together.

Comments

No, this kind of voting is unnecessarily complex. You need to reformat this proposal in a way so people like me know how to vote on this. Mario (talk)

I agree. I have no idea where to even start with this. Time Turner (talk)

Me too Randombob-omb4761 (talk)