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Proposals can be new features, the removal of previously-added features that have tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action is taken.
  • Voting periods last for two weeks, but can close early or be extended (see below).
  • Any autoconfirmed user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so.
  • All proposals must be approved by a majority of voters, including proposals with more than two options.
  • For past proposals, see the proposal archive and the talk page proposal archive.

If you would like to get feedback on an idea before formally proposing it here, you may do so on the proposals talk. For talk page proposals, you can discuss the changes on the talk page itself before creating the TPP there.

How to

If someone has an idea about improving the wiki or managing its community, but feel that they need community approval before acting upon that idea, they may make a proposal about it. They must have a strong argument supporting their idea and be willing to discuss it in detail with other users, who will then vote on whether or not they think the idea should be implemented. Proposals should include links to all relevant pages and writing guidelines. Proposals must include a link to the draft page. Any pages that would be largely affected by the proposal should be marked with {{proposal notice}}.

Rules

  1. Only autoconfirmed users may create or vote on proposals. Anyone is free to comment on proposals (provided that the page's protection level allows them to edit).
  2. Proposals conclude at the end of the day (23:59) two weeks after voting starts (all times GMT).
    • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, the voting starts immediately and the deadline is two weeks later on Monday, August 15, at 23:59 GMT.
  3. Users may vote for more than one option, but they may not vote for every option available.
  4. Every vote should have a strong, sensible reason accompanying it. Agreeing with a previously mentioned reason given by another user is acceptable (including "per" votes), but tangential comments, heavy sarcasm, and other misleading or irrelevant quips are just as invalid as providing no reason at all.
  5. Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. Voters can remove or rewrite their own vote(s) at any time, but the final decision to remove another user's vote lies solely with the wiki staff.
    • Users can also use the comments section to bring up any concerns or mistakes in regards to the proposal itself. In such cases, it's important the proposer addresses any concerns raised as soon as possible. Even if the supporting side might be winning by a wide margin, that should be no reason for such questions to be left unanswered. They may point out any missing details that might have been overlooked by the proposer, so it's a good idea as the proposer to check them frequently to achieve the most accurate outcome possible.
  6. If a user makes a vote and is subsequently blocked for any amount of time, their vote is removed. However, if the block ends before the proposal ends, then the user in question holds the right to re-cast their vote. If a proposer is blocked, their vote is removed and "(blocked)" is added next to their name in the "Proposer:" line of the proposal, which runs until its deadline as normal. If the proposal passes, it falls to the supporters of the idea to enact any changes in a timely manner.
  7. Proposals cannot contradict an already ongoing proposal or overturn the decision of a previous proposal that concluded less than four weeks (28 days) ago.
  8. If one week before a proposal's initial deadline, the first place option is ahead of the second place option by eight or more votes and the first place option has at least 80% approval, then the proposal concludes early. Wiki staff may tag a proposal with "Do not close early" at any time to prevent an early close, if needed.
    • Tag the proposal with {{early notice}} if it is on track for an early close. Use {{proposal check|early=yes}} to perform the check.
  9. Any proposal where none of the options have at least four votes will be extended for another week. If after three extensions, no options have at least four votes, the proposal will be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
  10. If a proposal reaches its deadline and there is a tie for first place, then the proposal is extended for another week.
  11. If a proposal reaches its deadline and the first place option is ahead of the second place option by three or more votes, then the first place option must have over 50% approval to win. If the margin is only one or two votes, then the first place option must have at least 60% approval to win. If the required approval threshold is not met, then the proposal is extended for another week.
    • Use {{proposal check}} to automate this calculation; see the template page for usage instructions and examples.
  12. Proposals can be extended a maximum of three times. If a consensus has not been reached by the fourth deadline, then the proposal fails and cannot be re-proposed until at least four weeks after the last deadline.
  13. All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of an administrator, the proposer can ask for that help.
  14. After a proposal passes, it is added to the appropriate list of "unimplemented proposals" below and is removed once it has been sufficiently implemented.
  15. If the wiki staff deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to cancel it at any time.
  16. Proposals can only be rewritten or canceled by their proposer within the first four days of their creation. However, proposers can request that their proposal be canceled by a staff member at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it. Please note that canceled proposals must also be archived.
  17. Unless there is major disagreement about whether certain content should be included, there should not be proposals about creating, expanding, rewriting, or otherwise fixing up pages. To organize efforts about improving articles on neglected or completely missing subjects, try setting up a collaboration thread on the forums.
  18. Proposals cannot be made about promotions and demotions. Staff changes are discussed internally and handled by the bureaucrats.
  19. No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.
  20. Proposals must have a status quo option (e.g. Oppose, Do nothing) unless the status quo itself violates policy.

Basic proposal formatting

Below is an example of what your proposal must look like. If you are unsure how to set up this format, simply copy the following and paste it into the fitting section. When updating the bracketed variables with actual information, be sure to replace the whole variable including the square brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information" and not "[This is the inserted information]". Proposals presenting multiple alternative courses of action can have more than two voting options, but the objective(s) of each voting option must be clearly defined. Such options should also be kept to a minimum, and if something comes up in the comments, the proposal can be amended as necessary. 

===[insert a title for your proposal here]===
[describe what issue this proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the wiki handles that issue]

'''Proposer''': {{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}}<br>
'''Deadline''': {{subst:#time:F j, Y|+2 weeks}}, 23:59 GMT

====[option title (e.g. Support, Option 1)]: [brief summary of option]====
#{{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}} [make a statement indicating that you support your proposal]

====[option title (e.g. Oppose, Option 2)]: [brief summary of option]====

====Comments ([brief proposal title])====

Autoconfirmed users will now be able to vote on your proposal. Remember that you can vote on your own proposal just like the others.

To vote for an option, just insert #{{User|[your username here]}} at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on another user's proposal. If you are voting on your own proposal, you can simply say "Per proposal".

Talk page proposals

Proposals concerning a single page or a limited group of pages are held on the most relevant talk page regarding the matter. All of the above proposal rules also apply to talk page proposals. Place {{TPP}} under the section's header, and once the proposal is over, replace the template with {{settled TPP}}. Proposals dealing with a large amount of splits, merges, or deletions across the wiki should still be held on this page.

All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom) using {{TPP discuss}}. Include a brief description of the proposal while also mentioning any pages affected by it, a link to the talk page housing the discussion, and the deadline. If the proposal involves a page that is not yet made, use {{fake link}} to communicate its title in the description. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links.

List of ongoing talk page proposals

Unimplemented proposals

Proposals

Break alphabetical order in enemy lists to list enemy variants below their base form, EvieMaybe (ended May 21, 2024)
Standardize sectioning for Super Mario series game articles, Nintendo101 (ended July 3, 2024)
^ NOTE: Not yet integrated for the Super Mario Maker titles, Super Mario Run, and Super Mario Bros. Wonder.
Create new sections for gallery pages to cover "unused/pre-release/prototype/etc." graphics separate from the ones that appear in the finalized games, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 2, 2024)
Add film and television ratings to Template:Ratings, TheUndescribableGhost (ended October 1, 2024)
Use the classic and classic-link templates when discussing classic courses in Mario Kart Tour, YoYo (ended October 2, 2024)
Clarify coverage of the Super Smash Bros. series, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended October 17, 2024)
Remove all subpage and redirect links from all navigational templates, JanMisali (ended October 31, 2024)
Prioritize MESEN/NEStopia palette for NES sprites and screenshots, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended November 3, 2024)
Stop considering reused voice clips as references (usually), Waluigi Time (ended November 8, 2024)
Allow English names from closed captions, Koopa con Carne (ended November 12, 2024)
^ NOTE: A number of names coming from closed captions are listed here.
Split off the Mario Kart Tour template(s), MightyMario (ended November 24, 2024)
Split major RPG appearances of recurring locations, EvieMaybe (ended December 16, 2024)
Stop integrating templates under the names of planets and areas in the Super Mario Galaxy games, Nintendo101 (ended December 25, 2024)

Talk page proposals

Split all the clothing, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 12, 2021)
Split machine parts, Robo-Rabbit, and flag from Super Duel Mode, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 30, 2022)
Make bestiary list pages for the Minion Quest and Bowser Jr.'s Journey modes, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended January 11, 2024)
Allow separate articles for Diddy Kong Pilot (2003)'s subjects, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended August 3, 2024)
Create articles for specified special buildings in Super Mario Run, Salmancer (ended November 15, 2024)
Expand and rename List of characters by game to List of characters by first appearance, Hewer (ended November 20, 2024)
Merge False Character and Fighting Polygon/Wireframe/Alloy/Mii Teams into List of Super Smash Bros. series bosses, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended December 2, 2024)
Make changes to List of Smash Taunt characters, Hewer (ended December 27, 2024)

Writing guidelines

Add brainwashing to the list of Frequently misused terms

I think a personal pet peeve of mine has come to me, and that's the frequent usage of brainwashing as an umbrella term for mind control. In many works of fiction, it's not too rare to see mind control be a driving plot point. However, it's something completely impossible in real life. Brainwashing, on the other hand, is something possible in real life. I don't want to get into the real-life nature of brainwashing, but to put it bluntly; people can get brainwashed not by silly, fictional mind control chips but by propaganda and/or abuse. Brainwashing is especially true for cults.

However, it's prevalent for the term "brainwashing" to apply to any attempt at science fiction mind control and possession. I can't list many examples; you've probably seen multiple instances where mind control is labeled as brainwashing, even in Super Mario games such as Super Paper Mario. One of the lines in the game state, "See, they've already sworn eternal allegiance to Count Bleck, 'K? And now you need to, so I'll just go ahead and pencil you in for a 10 o'clock brainwashing." I'll go more in-depth about this later, but it's an inaccurate comparison because brainwashing works through manipulation, and the victim has to agree to it to become brainwashed. Mind control involves taking control of someone else's mind, which they have no control over. What decided me do this is seeing the Tricky the Triceratops article mention he was "brainwashed" by Wizpig when the game manual states the bosses are in his control (unless some other material does state brainwashing). I mean, is it accurate to state that Shadow Queen is brainwashing Peach? Not really; she is just possessing her body. And for the record, we try significantly to avoid bad umbrella terms. The biggest are "beta" and "sub-species." With beta, we had an issue of people referring to an old version of a game as this, without any proof it's a beta build and just as a horrible term to describe any pre-release concept, including concept art. Sub-species were incorrectly used to describe variants of different enemies and were entirely speculative in many instances. The arguments that these terms work fine the way they are wholly ignore the fact that we are spreading misinformation here.

So if you couldn't tell for some reason, this proposal aims to put brainwashing in as one of those frequently misused terms in the Good writing section on the wiki. That way, users don't blanketly use the term to describe any term of mind control as brainwashing. Now I should clarify that this only refers to instances that don't state it's brainwashing. As brought up with the Super Paper Mario example, brainwashing is used as an umbrella term in that game as a synonym for mind control. If that is indeed the case, it's also valid to label it as brainwashing since the game is using that term. This is to avoid it when that term isn't used and perhaps any time brainwashing is brought up in these games as a term, it could be stated that it's actually mind control to not confuse readers, but that could be an awkward solution so putting in the misused terms is probably good enough.

Proposer: Wikiboy10 (talk)
Deadline: July 6, 2023, 23:59 GMT

Support

  1. Wikiboy10 (talk) Per proposal
  2. Tails777 (talk) As someone who has lazily used the term brainwashing as an umbrella term, I find this to be a useful suggestion. Per proposal.
  3. MegaBowser64 (talk) let's stop being brainwashed into incorrectly using "brainwash".
  4. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) - As someone who has hypnotized herself in real life before for the heck of it and studied effects of mental-altering processes, I think we should indeed be more accurate to this subject.
  5. ThePowerPlayer (talk) There are clear differences between these terms that should be addressed. Per proposal.
  6. Camwoodstock (talk) - Yeahhh, unless the game itself expressly calls it brainwashing (see: SPM), we should probably not be throwing that word around willy-nilly, especially if more accurate alternatives exist.
  7. Pirate Goomba (talk) - Well, if the word "brainwashing" is being used incorrectly, then the Wiki should make sure that people don't use it just to mean "mind control".
  8. FanOfYoshi (talk) Per all.

Oppose

Comments

Should cases of hypnosis also be included? It's often used as a synonym for mind control in media as well, even though it's very different from brainwashing or mind control alike in real life. ArendLogoTransparent.pngrend (talk) (edits) 13:00, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

Sadly, it's a bit too late to change that. Wikiboy10 (talk) 12:43, June 29, 2023 (EDT)

New features

None at the moment.

Removals

None at the moment.

Changes

Change remaining instances of "MarioWiki" to "SMWiki"

Going off of the TPP that successfully decided that we rename to the Super Mario franchise, I would like to make a proposal to move the MarioWiki namespace to SMWiki. I had the idea when reading the About page, which says that SMWiki is a frequent name used for the wiki. Using "Super Mario Wiki" as the project namespace would be too long, and SMWiki takes up slightly fewer letters than MarioWiki.

One option is to only change the MarioWiki namespace prefix to "SMWiki," and another option changes other instances of MarioWiki to "SMWiki," such as the search bar on the side. Regardless of outcome the only thing that would remain unchanged by this proposals are talk pages and wiki archives.

Proposer: CoolNintendo (talk)
Deadline: July 7, 2023, 23:59 GMT

Change all instances of "MarioWiki" to "SMWiki" (excluding archives)

  1. CoolNintendo (talk) As proposer.

Change only the namespace to "SMWiki"

Do nothing

  1. Hewer (talk) This is the first time I've ever seen "SMWiki" mentioned and it's not as clear as MarioWiki in my opinion. Besides, I don't really see the point of this change - the wiki's name has always been Super Mario Wiki while the namespace is called MarioWiki, and it's never caused any issues. The renaming of the article in the mainspace isn't very relevant to this in my opinion.
  2. Somethingone (talk) I agree with Hewer here; "MarioWiki" has been a fine enough namespace as is, and the reason why I find it better than the proposed "SMWiki" alternate is that the proposed name is an abbreviation, which is not as clear as the full words (We used to have redirects to the MarioWiki namespace that we're "MW:[TEXT]" but then they all were removed for no reason, so I don't think an abbreviated namespace would last long).
  3. Swallow (talk) Per all, also the Twitter handle only abbreviates it because of character limitations so that's not a very good example.
  4. Spectrogram (talk) per all. Very unneeded
  5. Ahemtoday (talk) I have never heard anyone call this the "SMWiki".
  6. Arend (talk) Very unnecessary to rename the project namespace from MarioWiki to SMWiki. Plus, MarioWiki as a namespace matches with the wiki's URL: https://www.mariowiki.com/
  7. Camwoodstock (talk) Per all, but especially Arend. Unless you want to move the URL of the site itself to SMWiki.com, this feels like a case of almost hilariously overcompensating for just one option when a much more consistently used name exists. (Besides, Twitter has been on a very steady but very certain decline and has evidently started rolling out a change that forces a user to sign up or log in to even read posts on it as of last night--the idea that we should start bending the wiki itself to be more in-line with the Twitter account now is... a very hard sell.)
  8. TheFlameChomp (talk) Per all, I do not think this would be a necessary change.
  9. SeanWheeler (talk) Per all.
  10. FanOfYoshi (talk) No.

Comments

@Hewer: I just remembered the the Twitter account uses SMWikiOfficial
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by CoolNintendo (talk).

As the guy who created it, I am absolutely floored the clunky @ I thought up in 5 seconds because "@Mariowiki" was squatted is now being used as justification to change the name of the entire wiki lmao --Glowsquid (talk) 20:13, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

The people opposing raise some good points. However, perhaps it was just my fixation on the "Super Mario" brand because I like to think of it as "Suepr Mario is the brand while Mario is the character". And SMWiki, although abbreviated, is more consistent with the main name of the wiki (assuming that's why "MW:[TEXT] was changed?). But yeah not seeing "Mario" in "SMWiki" abbreviation is kind of annoying too. No easy solution to this. CoolNintendo (talk) 11:00, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

The brand can be and still is called Mario for short, which I think is a much better shorthand than the vague and clunky "SM", which I've never seen used outside this context. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 04:14, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

Make infoboxes and navboxes round

Another proposal I'd like to make is simple and it would make the infoboxes and navbox borders round. now i don't know how to make things round because i'm not that big of an expert but the reason I making this proposal is because the sidebar and page display section have round border and i have this thing where i like it when thing look consistent. Also, the Mushroom in the logo is round.

Proposer: CoolNintendo (talk)
Deadline: July 8, 2023, 23:59 GMT

Support

  1. CoolNintendo (talk) As proposer.

Oppose

  1. Spectrogram (talk) I really, really dislike the round infobox design.
  2. Ahemtoday (talk) Round navboxes would look horrible. They're meant to stack on top of each other, which would look much worse if the side of their collective shape had a bunch of divots.
  3. Hewer (talk) Per all, I prefer the pointed design and I don't really see the value in making it "consistent" with other boxes that serve completely different purposes and have different designs (much less the logo which isn't a box at all).
  4. Koopa con Carne (talk) per all.

Comments

Rounded borders would be done by adding "border-radius: #px;" in html coding, replacing the hashtag with a number depending on how rounded you want the corners (bigger number = rounder corners). Though, I'm curious, what do you mean when you say the "page display" is rounded? S o m e t h i n g o n e ! Red Bandit.png 12:40, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

I assume they mean the rectangle in which page content is displayed (as opposed to the sidebar), but I'd say "consistency" is a bit of moot point in this case (I'm writing this comment in a non-rounded edit box). Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 13:23, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

Although its embarrassing that both my proposals are being massively opposed, I don't mind others input so then we at least have a record of if ever someone later has a similar idea (or same one) we can say like "someone tried this and people did not like it". i just hope im not less welcome in this community due to my proposals

Miscellaneous

None at the moment.

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