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#{{User|Bazooka Mario}} I think we should restrict it to characters that have died or their identity is tied to more to being dead than alive (so we include Wrinkly Kong, who is alive in on egame but turned into a ghost and remained that way for the rest of the games). | #{{User|Bazooka Mario}} I think we should restrict it to characters that have died or their identity is tied to more to being dead than alive (so we include Wrinkly Kong, who is alive in on egame but turned into a ghost and remained that way for the rest of the games). | ||
#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per proposal, it feels like giving these an actual definition will make handling the categories easier and help prevent confusion. | #{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per proposal, it feels like giving these an actual definition will make handling the categories easier and help prevent confusion. | ||
#{{User|Jazama}} Per all. | |||
====Oppose==== | ====Oppose==== |
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Proposals can be new features, the removal of previously-added features that have tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action is taken.
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A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code {{User|User name}}.
How to
Rules
- If users have an idea about improving the wiki or managing its community, but feel that they need community approval before acting upon that idea, they may make a proposal about it. They must have a strong argument supporting their idea and be willing to discuss it in detail with the other users, who will then vote about whether or not they think the idea should be used. Proposals should include links to all relevant pages and writing guidelines. Proposals must include a link to the draft page. Any pages that would be largely affected by the proposal should be marked with {{proposal notice}}.
- Only autoconfirmed users may create or vote on proposals and talk page proposals. While only autoconfirmed users can comment on proposals, anyone is free to comment on talk page proposals.
- Proposals end at the end of the day (23:59) two weeks after voting starts (all times GMT).
- For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, the voting starts immediately and the deadline is two weeks later on Monday, August 15, at 23:59 GMT.
- Users may vote for more than one option, but they may not vote for every option available.
- Every vote should have a strong, sensible reason accompanying it. Agreeing with a previously mentioned reason given by another user is accepted (including "per" votes), but tangential comments, heavy sarcasm, and other misleading or irrelevant quips are just as invalid as providing no reason at all.
- Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. Voters can remove or rewrite their own vote(s) at any time, but the final decision to remove another user's vote lies solely with the wiki staff.
- Users can also use the comments section to bring up any concerns or mistakes in regards to the proposal itself. In such cases, it's important the proposer addresses any concerns raised as soon as possible. Even if the supporting side might be winning by a wide margin, that should be no reason for such questions to be left unanswered. They may point out any missing details that might have been overlooked by the proposer, so it's a good idea as the proposer to check them frequently to achieve the most accurate outcome possible.
- If a user makes a vote and is subsequently blocked for any amount of time, their vote is removed. However, if the block ends before the proposal ends, then the user in question holds the right to re-cast their vote. If a proposer is blocked, their vote is removed and "(banned)" is added next to their name in the "Proposer:" line of the proposal, which runs until its deadline as normal. If the proposal passes, it falls to the supporters of the idea to enact any changes in a timely manner.
- Proposals cannot contradict an already ongoing proposal or overturn the decision of a previous proposal that concluded less than four weeks (28 days) ago.
- If one week before a proposal's initial deadline, the first place option is ahead of the second place option by eight or more votes and the first place option has at least 80% approval, then the proposal concludes early. Wiki staff may tag a proposal with "Do not close early" at any time to prevent an early close, if needed.
- Use {{proposal check|early=yes}} to automate this calculation; see the template page for usage instructions and examples.
- Any proposal where none of the options have at least four votes will be extended for another week. If after three extensions, no options have at least four votes, the proposal will be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
- If a proposal reaches its deadline and there is a tie for first place, then the proposal is extended for another week.
- If a proposal reaches its deadline and the first place option is ahead of the second place option by three or more votes, then the first place option must have over 50% approval to win. If the margin is only one or two votes, then the first place option must have at least 60% approval to win. If the required approval threshold is not met, then the proposal is extended for another week.
- Use {{proposal check}} to automate this calculation; see the template page for usage instructions and examples.
- Proposals can be extended a maximum of three times. If a consensus has not been reached by the fourth deadline, then the proposal fails and cannot be re-proposed until at least four weeks after the last deadline.
- All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of an administrator, the proposer can ask for that help.
- After a proposal or talk page proposal passes, it is added to the corresponding list of "unimplemented proposals" below and is removed once it has been sufficiently implemented.
- If the wiki staff deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to cancel it at any time.
- Proposals can only be rewritten or canceled by their proposer within the first four days of their creation. However, proposers can request that their proposal be canceled by a staff member at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it. Please note that canceled proposals must also be archived.
- Unless there is major disagreement about whether certain content should be included, there should not be proposals about creating, expanding, rewriting, or otherwise fixing up pages. To organize efforts about improving articles on neglected or completely missing subjects, try setting up a collaboration thread on the forums.
- Proposals cannot be made about promotions and demotions. Staff changes are discussed internally and handled by the bureaucrats.
- No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.
- Proposals must have a status quo option (e.g. Oppose, Do nothing) unless the status quo itself violates policy.
Basic proposal and support/oppose format
This is an example of what your proposal must look like, if you want it to be acknowledged. If you are inexperienced or unsure how to set up this format, simply copy the following and paste it into the fitting section. Then replace the [subject] - variables with information to customize your proposal, so it says what you wish. If you insert the information, be sure to replace the whole variable including the squared brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information", not "[This is the inserted information]". Proposals presenting multiple alternative courses of action can have more than two voting options, but what each voting section is supporting must be clearly defined. Such options should also be kept to a minimum, and if something comes up in the comments, the proposal can be amended as necessary.
===[insert a title for your proposal here]===
[describe what issue this proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the wiki handles that issue]
'''Proposer''': {{User|[enter your username here]}}<br>
'''Deadline''': [insert a deadline here, 14 days after the proposal was created, at 23:59 GMT, in the format: "November 25, 2024, 23:59 GMT"]
====Support====
#{{User|[enter your username here]}} [make a statement indicating that you support your proposal]
====Oppose====
====Comments====
Users will now be able to vote on your proposal, until the set deadline is reached. Remember, you are a user as well, so you can vote on your own proposal just like the others.
To support, or oppose, just insert "#{{User|[add your username here]}}" at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on another user's proposal. If you are voting on your own proposal, you can just say "Per my proposal".
Talk page proposals
Proposals concerning a single page or a limited group of pages are held on the most relevant talk page regarding the matter. Place {{TPP}} under the section's header, and once the proposal is over, replace the template with {{settled TPP}}. Proposals dealing with a large amount of splits, merges, or deletions across the wiki should still be held on this page.
All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom) using {{TPP discuss}}. Include a brief description of the proposal while also mentioning any pages affected by it, a link to the talk page housing the discussion, and the deadline. If the proposal involves a page that is not yet made, use {{fake link}} to communicate its title in the description. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links.
List of ongoing talk page proposals
- Determine how to handle the Tattle Log images from Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door (Nintendo Switch) (discuss) Deadline: November 30, 2024, 23:59 GMT
- Merge False Character and the Fighting Polygon/Wireframe/Alloy/Mii Teams to List of Super Smash Bros. series bosses (discuss) Deadline: December 2, 2024, 23:59 GMT
Unimplemented proposals
Proposals
Break alphabetical order in enemy lists to list enemy variants below their base form, EvieMaybe (ended May 21, 2024) |
Standardize sectioning for Super Mario series game articles, Nintendo101 (ended July 3, 2024) |
- ^ NOTE: Not yet integrated for the Super Mario Maker titles, Super Mario Run, and Super Mario Bros. Wonder.
Create new sections for gallery pages to cover "unused/pre-release/prototype/etc." graphics separate from the ones that appear in the finalized games, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 2, 2024) |
Add film and television ratings to Template:Ratings, TheUndescribableGhost (ended October 1, 2024) |
Use the classic and classic-link templates when discussing classic courses in Mario Kart Tour, YoYo (ended October 2, 2024) |
Split articles for the alternate-named reskins from All Night Nippon: Super Mario Bros., Doc von Schmeltwick (ended October 3, 2024) |
Clarify coverage of the Super Smash Bros. series, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended October 17, 2024) |
Remove all subpage and redirect links from all navigational templates, JanMisali (ended October 31, 2024) |
Prioritize MESEN/NEStopia palette for NES sprites and screenshots, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended November 3, 2024) |
Stop considering reused voice clips as references (usually), Waluigi Time (ended November 8, 2024) |
Allow English names from closed captions, Koopa con Carne (ended November 12, 2024) |
- ^ NOTE: A number of names coming from closed captions are listed here.
Split off the Mario Kart Tour template(s), MightyMario (ended November 24, 2024) |
Talk page proposals
Split all the clothing, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 12, 2021) |
Split machine parts, Robo-Rabbit, and flag from Super Duel Mode, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 30, 2022) |
Make bestiary list pages for the Minion Quest and Bowser Jr.'s Journey modes, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended January 11, 2024) |
Allow separate articles for Diddy Kong Pilot (2003)'s subjects, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended August 3, 2024) |
Split Banana Peel from Banana, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 18, 2024) |
Merge Spiked Thwomp with Thwomp, Blinker (ended November 2, 2024) |
Create articles for specified special buildings in Super Mario Run, Salmancer (ended November 15, 2024) |
Expand and rename List of characters by game to List of characters by first appearance, Hewer (ended November 20, 2024) |
Create articles for "Ashita ni Nattara" and "Banana Tengoku" or list them in List of Donkey Kong Country (television series) songs, Starluxe (ended November 23, 2024) |
List of talk page proposals
Template:TPPDiscuss Template:TPPDiscuss Template:TPPDiscuss
Unimplemented proposals
Writing guidelines
None at the moment.
New features
None at the moment.
Removals
Remove the PipeProject and PipeProject Talk Namespace descriptor tags from the recent changes
Since the PipeProject is abandoned and the Recent Changes can only show changes for up to 90 days, the Namespace: PipeProject and Namespace: PipeProject Talk are practically useless.
Proposer: DarkNight (talk)
Deadline: August 9, at 23:59 GMT
Support
Oppose
- Alex95 (talk) - Just because they don't show up in Recent Changes anymore doesn't mean we should remove it. There really isn't much of a point to remove it, either, it's not hurting anything. Removing it might actually damage things, I don't know the full extent of what will happen if you remove an entire namespace when it is in use. For one, the pages "PipeProject:X" will show in mainspace categories and page searches, when they shouldn't.
- TheDarkStar (talk) - per alex
- Bazooka Mario (talk) You don't really see other namespaces like Gadget and Module showing up either. Perhaps they aren't actively dead like Pipeproject, but I see little reason to remove namespace all together only because they are unused.
- Waluigi Time (talk) I don't think this is even possible without deleting the entire namespace. There's no reason to do that for what is in my opinion a minor nitpick.
- TheFlameChomp (talk) Per all.
- Toadette the Achiever (talk) To bring up another comparison, there is only one entry in the merge log. One. And yet it needs to stay because it documents a particularly exceptional case that can't go undocumented.
- Keyblade Master (talk) This doesn't really seem like a big deal.
Comments
I'm confused at what this proposal is trying to accomplish. Do you want to remove PipeProject and PipeProject talk from the namespace selector in the recent changes? If so I don't think that's even possible without deleting the namespace. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 18:10, August 2, 2020 (EDT)
- Yes, what you just said. I'm pretty sure Porplemontage can do it. --DarkNight 18:12, August 2, 2020 (EDT)
Changes
None at the moment.
Miscellaneous
definitions of undead and deceased
As there is no clear definition so far, despite trying on Category:Deceased Characters from when someone will be listed under the categories Deceased Characters or Undead if he dies during or at the end of the game
That is why I suggest that the rules in the table on Talk:Bob-omb (Paper Mario: The Origami King)#Undead apply the rules
Alive | Deceased | Undead | Deceased & Undead |
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ghosts and other undead entities | clearly lived once and died AND returned as ghost or other undead entity |
Proposer: Pokemon (talk)
Deadline: August 6, 2020, 23:59 GMT
Support
- Pokemon (talk) Per proposal
- Waluigi Time (talk) Per proposal and my comments on Bobby's talk page. The handling of these categories is a mess right now and I think this is the best way to handle them.
- Toadette the Achiever (talk) Yeah, I'm on board with this change.
- Keyblade Master (talk) I suppose it will make handling these categories a little bit easier.
- Duckfan77 (talk) Per all.
- DarkNight (talk) Per proposal.
- Bazooka Mario (talk) I think we should restrict it to characters that have died or their identity is tied to more to being dead than alive (so we include Wrinkly Kong, who is alive in on egame but turned into a ghost and remained that way for the rest of the games).
- TheFlameChomp (talk) Per proposal, it feels like giving these an actual definition will make handling the categories easier and help prevent confusion.
- Jazama (talk) Per all.
Oppose
Comments
- Clarification; I would be the final state as a time of definition (ie post credits) otherwise, for example, all residents of Sammer's Kingdom would have to be declared "dead" Pokemon (talk) 11:17, July 30, 2020 (EDT)
- Yeah, obviously characters that are eventually brought back to life shouldn't be classified as dead. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 12:02, July 30, 2020 (EDT)
I'm still a bit iffy, but I guess I'm just stuck on what I already know the category to be used for. I believe it was meant to be applied to characters that were never shown to be alive to begin with (King Croacus I) or were already dead by the time the game started (Wrinkly Kong in some cases). Characters that died partway through the game does make this category confusing, as the category does not apply to them for the entire time they are on screen. Bobby is obviously alive at the start of Origami King, for example, so to mark him as "deceased" would not be 100% accurate. 14:37, July 30, 2020 (EDT)
- By that logic he's not alive the entire time he's on screen either so not marking him as deceased wouldn't be 100% accurate. Taking that to a logical extreme, the Paper Mario partners aren't instantly in your party the moment they appear, and in the original game all of them leave your party in the epilogue. Should we not categorize them as partners just because they aren't constantly in your party throughout the entire game? Personally, if I'm looking at a category of deceased characters I want to see all the dead characters in the franchise, not what's essentially a list of only characters who died offscreen, and I would think that's what most readers would be looking for. Besides, you have to have been alive to be dead, why should only ever being alive offscreen make a character more eligible for the category? The current usage of the "Deceased Characters" category is incredibly confusing as the whole situation regarding Bobby has shown, and it doesn't help that this supposed "rule" has never actually been on the category page, making me wonder where it even came from in the first place - has it ever been what the category is supposed to be for or is it just the personal preference of some users (and if it's the latter, why was it ever enforced in the first place)? -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 15:26, July 30, 2020 (EDT)
While this is certainly a step in the right direction, I take a bit of issue with considering "ghosts in general" to be undead. The generic enemy ghosts in LM, for example, were created as such by van Gore, and as such were never "alive" nor "dead" prior, and as such cannot have "un-died." This is an example of "paranormal" being a more accurate term, though of course there are cases like Wrinkly, Krow, Dry Bones, Dry Bowser, Bonetail, and Bobby where they actually are undead. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:34, July 30, 2020 (EDT)
- That could probably be easily solved by splitting all the ghosts into their own Undead subcategory, which technically still classifies them as undead but it's better than the current setup in that regard. There's certainly enough of them in the franchise to make it worth it, especially considering we've already given Skeletons, Mummies and Vampires their own categories with the latter two having only 16 and 8 entries, respectively. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 15:53, July 30, 2020 (EDT)
I'd be in favor of just scrapping the category entirely. LinkTheLefty (talk) 18:10, July 30, 2020 (EDT)
- Honestly, I thought of that earlier today too. Nightwicked Bowser
- I don't really think the fact that Nintendo can resurrect any character they want on a whim (which any fictional series can do) makes a deceased characters category less useful. By definition it's supposed to contain all characters that are dead according to the current story. Besides, it happens so rarely anyway (I don't even know of any other examples besides the Fawful one, aside from maybe the overly dramatic SMW flavor text for some of the Koopalings) and it's not like it's that hard to remove a single category from a single page if it does happen. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 19:13, July 30, 2020 (EDT)