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===List of talk page proposals===
===List of talk page proposals===
{{TPPDiscuss|Rename [[Snake (species)]] to something more descriptive|Talk:Snake (species)#Rename this page to a more descriptive term|September 22, 2019, 23:59 GMT}}
{{TPPDiscuss|Rename [[Super Shroom]] to {{fake link|Super Mushroom (healing item)}} or split {{fake link|Super Mushroom (healing item)}} from Super Shroom|Talk:Super Shroom#How to handle this page|September 23, 2019, 23:59 GMT}}
{{TPPDiscuss|Rename [[Super Shroom]] to {{fake link|Super Mushroom (healing item)}} or split {{fake link|Super Mushroom (healing item)}} from Super Shroom|Talk:Super Shroom#How to handle this page|September 23, 2019, 23:59 GMT}}
{{TPPDiscuss|Rename [[Ultra Shroom]] to {{fake link|Ultra Mushroom}} or split {{fake link|Ultra Mushroom}} from Ultra Shroom|Talk:Ultra Shroom#How to handle this page|September 23, 2019, 23:59 GMT}}
{{TPPDiscuss|Rename [[Ultra Shroom]] to {{fake link|Ultra Mushroom}} or split {{fake link|Ultra Mushroom}} from Ultra Shroom|Talk:Ultra Shroom#How to handle this page|September 23, 2019, 23:59 GMT}}
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#{{user|7feetunder}} I completely fail to see the point of this. All I see is you complaining about bad edits, which are easily reverted and not a cause for alarm. DYK is a simple list of random trivia facts; there is no reason it needs to be entrusted to some elite group of editors. Anyone interested in regularly updating DYK can just do so of their own free will without being part of a committee. Furthermore, only allowing a few people to edit a fact list for such a large franchise means there will be fewer ideas of what to put on the template, as well as fewer people who are tasked with updating the thing every week. I've updated DYK a few times myself, and if I ever feel like doing it again, I should not have to be part of a committee to do so. Nor should I have to contact a committee member if a catch a mistake, as opposed to just correcting it myself like I would any other page. If you notice some bad edits being made to a featured article, what are you going to do? Propose that we only allow committee members to edit featured articles? Just revert the bad edits and move on.
#{{user|7feetunder}} I completely fail to see the point of this. All I see is you complaining about bad edits, which are easily reverted and not a cause for alarm. DYK is a simple list of random trivia facts; there is no reason it needs to be entrusted to some elite group of editors. Anyone interested in regularly updating DYK can just do so of their own free will without being part of a committee. Furthermore, only allowing a few people to edit a fact list for such a large franchise means there will be fewer ideas of what to put on the template, as well as fewer people who are tasked with updating the thing every week. I've updated DYK a few times myself, and if I ever feel like doing it again, I should not have to be part of a committee to do so. Nor should I have to contact a committee member if a catch a mistake, as opposed to just correcting it myself like I would any other page. If you notice some bad edits being made to a featured article, what are you going to do? Propose that we only allow committee members to edit featured articles? Just revert the bad edits and move on.
#{{User|Lord Grammaticus}} I admittedly like the idea and sympathize with the desire for quality presentation and quality control thereof. We should ideally strive to a decently high standard of presentation - and that's exactly why there ''shouldn't'' be a committee. As this is a wiki that can be freely edited, mistakes on the DYK template can thus be corrected by anyone - as they should be - and with that in mind, the cons weigh a bit more heavily in this scenario. I also have to admit that this proposal does seem rather reactive in its nature. In any case it'd just lead to more potential obstructions - in addition to 7feet's cited lack of parity in presentation, it speaks to this apparent need to bureaucratize every single wiki process when said need... doesn't really exist. Even ignoring my personal opinion that most wikis are ideally best left open to edit, with standards being established through example rather than committee or administrative fiat, it's just not on and isn't in the spirit of what MarioWiki seeks to accomplish. Gonna be a no from me.
#{{user|MrConcreteDonkey}} - You don't need a huge amount of effort and sophistication to go into just finding four random facts from the Trivia section of any odd articles. What would a committee on this even do, debate how interesting they find random Mario facts? That's surely just subjective, as is the initial assertation that it's currently "bad". If you need anything, Perch's suggestion in the thread of one person looking over it is... more than enough. But there's no harm in letting anyone who wants to contribute add to it, and if anything's unacceptably bad (which it very rarely is) just edit it out.


====Comments====
====Comment====
On the [[Template talk:DidYouKnow|talk page]] for the template, I suggested that the Did You Know committee could also be in charge of the Featured Article and News sections on the Main Page as well. What are your thoughts on this? {{User:Obsessive Mario Fan/sig}} 12:04, September 21, 2019 (EDT)
On the [[Template talk:DidYouKnow|talk page]] for the template, I suggested that the Did You Know committee could also be in charge of the Featured Article and News sections on the Main Page as well. What are your thoughts on this? {{User:Obsessive Mario Fan/sig}} 12:04, September 21, 2019 (EDT)
:FA may need a committee, because we don't want bad grammar on the ''featured'' section. News doesn't, because it's just that: news about the Mario series. Anything there doesn't reflect poorly on the wiki. {{User:TheDarkStar/sig}} 12:51, September 21, 2019 (EDT)
:FA may need a committee, because we don't want bad grammar on the ''featured'' section. News doesn't, because it's just that: news about the Mario series. Anything there doesn't reflect poorly on the wiki. {{User:TheDarkStar/sig}} 12:51, September 21, 2019 (EDT)

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Proposals can be new features, the removal of previously-added features that have tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action is taken.
  • Voting periods last for two weeks, but can close early or be extended (see below).
  • Any autoconfirmed user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so.
  • All proposals must be approved by a majority of voters, including proposals with more than two options.
  • For past proposals, see the proposal archive and the talk page proposal archive.

If you would like to get feedback on an idea before formally proposing it here, you may do so on the proposals talk. For talk page proposals, you can discuss the changes on the talk page itself before creating the TPP there.

How to

If someone has an idea about improving the wiki or managing its community, but feel that they need community approval before acting upon that idea, they may make a proposal about it. They must have a strong argument supporting their idea and be willing to discuss it in detail with other users, who will then vote on whether or not they think the idea should be implemented. Proposals should include links to all relevant pages and writing guidelines. Proposals must include a link to the draft page. Any pages that would be largely affected by the proposal should be marked with {{proposal notice}}.

Rules

  1. Only autoconfirmed users may create or vote on proposals. Anyone is free to comment on proposals (provided that the page's protection level allows them to edit).
  2. Proposals conclude at the end of the day (23:59) two weeks after voting starts (all times GMT).
    • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, the voting starts immediately and the deadline is two weeks later on Monday, August 15, at 23:59 GMT.
  3. Users may vote for more than one option, but they may not vote for every option available.
  4. Every vote should have a strong, sensible reason accompanying it. Agreeing with a previously mentioned reason given by another user is acceptable (including "per" votes), but tangential comments, heavy sarcasm, and other misleading or irrelevant quips are just as invalid as providing no reason at all.
  5. Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. Voters can remove or rewrite their own vote(s) at any time, but the final decision to remove another user's vote lies solely with the wiki staff.
    • Users can also use the comments section to bring up any concerns or mistakes in regards to the proposal itself. In such cases, it's important the proposer addresses any concerns raised as soon as possible. Even if the supporting side might be winning by a wide margin, that should be no reason for such questions to be left unanswered. They may point out any missing details that might have been overlooked by the proposer, so it's a good idea as the proposer to check them frequently to achieve the most accurate outcome possible.
  6. If a user makes a vote and is subsequently blocked for any amount of time, their vote is removed. However, if the block ends before the proposal ends, then the user in question holds the right to re-cast their vote. If a proposer is blocked, their vote is removed and "(blocked)" is added next to their name in the "Proposer:" line of the proposal, which runs until its deadline as normal. If the proposal passes, it falls to the supporters of the idea to enact any changes in a timely manner.
  7. Proposals cannot contradict an already ongoing proposal or overturn the decision of a previous proposal that concluded less than four weeks (28 days) ago.
  8. If one week before a proposal's initial deadline, the first place option is ahead of the second place option by eight or more votes and the first place option has at least 80% approval, then the proposal concludes early. Wiki staff may tag a proposal with "Do not close early" at any time to prevent an early close, if needed.
    • Tag the proposal with {{early notice}} if it is on track for an early close. Use {{proposal check|early=yes}} to perform the check.
  9. Any proposal where none of the options have at least four votes will be extended for another week. If after three extensions, no options have at least four votes, the proposal will be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
  10. If a proposal reaches its deadline and there is a tie for first place, then the proposal is extended for another week.
  11. If a proposal reaches its deadline and the first place option is ahead of the second place option by three or more votes, then the first place option must have over 50% approval to win. If the margin is only one or two votes, then the first place option must have at least 60% approval to win. If the required approval threshold is not met, then the proposal is extended for another week.
    • Use {{proposal check}} to automate this calculation; see the template page for usage instructions and examples.
  12. Proposals can be extended a maximum of three times. If a consensus has not been reached by the fourth deadline, then the proposal fails and cannot be re-proposed until at least four weeks after the last deadline.
  13. All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of an administrator, the proposer can ask for that help.
  14. After a proposal passes, it is added to the appropriate list of "unimplemented proposals" below and is removed once it has been sufficiently implemented.
  15. If the wiki staff deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to cancel it at any time.
  16. Proposals can only be rewritten or canceled by their proposer within the first four days of their creation. However, proposers can request that their proposal be canceled by a staff member at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it. Please note that canceled proposals must also be archived.
  17. Unless there is major disagreement about whether certain content should be included, there should not be proposals about creating, expanding, rewriting, or otherwise fixing up pages. To organize efforts about improving articles on neglected or completely missing subjects, try setting up a collaboration thread on the forums.
  18. Proposals cannot be made about promotions and demotions. Staff changes are discussed internally and handled by the bureaucrats.
  19. No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.
  20. Proposals must have a status quo option (e.g. Oppose, Do nothing) unless the status quo itself violates policy.

Basic proposal formatting

Copy and paste the formatting below to get started; your username and the proposal deadline will automatically be substituted when you save the page. Update the bracketed variables with actual information, and be sure to replace the whole variable including the square brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information" and not "[This is the inserted information]". Proposals presenting multiple alternative courses of action can have more than two voting options, but the objective(s) of each voting option must be clearly defined. Such options should also be kept to a minimum, and if something comes up in the comments, the proposal can be amended as necessary. 

===[insert a title for your proposal here]===
[describe what issue this proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the wiki handles that issue]

'''Proposer''': {{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}}<br>
'''Deadline''': {{subst:#time:F j, Y|+2 weeks}}, 23:59 GMT

====[option title (e.g. Support, Option 1)]: [brief summary of option]====
#{{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}} [make a statement indicating that you support your proposal]

====[option title (e.g. Oppose, Option 2)]: [brief summary of option]====

====Comments ([brief proposal title])====

Autoconfirmed users will now be able to vote on your proposal. Remember that you can vote on your own proposal just like the others.

To vote for an option, just insert #{{User|[your username here]}} at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on another user's proposal. If you are voting on your own proposal, you can simply say "Per proposal".

Talk page proposals

Proposals concerning a single page or a limited group of pages are held on the most relevant talk page regarding the matter. All of the above proposal rules also apply to talk page proposals. Place {{TPP}} under the section's heading, and once the proposal is over, replace the template with {{settled TPP}}. Proposals dealing with a large amount of splits, merges, or deletions across the wiki should still be held on this page.

All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom) using {{TPP discuss}}. Include a brief description of the proposal while also mentioning any pages affected by it, a link to the talk page housing the discussion, and the deadline. If the proposal involves a page that is not yet made, use {{fake link}} to communicate its title in the description. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links.

List of ongoing talk page proposals

Unimplemented proposals

Proposals

Break alphabetical order in enemy lists to list enemy variants below their base form, EvieMaybe (ended May 21, 2024)
Standardize sectioning for Super Mario series game articles, Nintendo101 (ended July 3, 2024)
^ NOTE: Not yet integrated for the Super Mario Maker titles, Super Mario Run, and Super Mario Bros. Wonder.
Create new sections for gallery pages to cover "unused/pre-release/prototype/etc." graphics separate from the ones that appear in the finalized games, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 2, 2024)
Add film and television ratings to Template:Ratings, TheUndescribableGhost (ended October 1, 2024)
Use the classic and classic link templates when discussing classic courses in Mario Kart Tour, YoYo (ended October 2, 2024)
Clarify coverage of the Super Smash Bros. series, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended October 17, 2024)
Remove all subpage and redirect links from all navigational templates, JanMisali (ended October 31, 2024)
Prioritize MESEN/NEStopia palette for NES sprites and screenshots, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended November 3, 2024)
Stop considering reused voice clips as references (usually), Waluigi Time (ended November 8, 2024)
Allow English names from closed captions, Koopa con Carne (ended November 12, 2024)
^ NOTE: A number of names coming from closed captions are listed here.
Split off the Mario Kart Tour template(s), MightyMario (ended November 24, 2024)
Split major RPG appearances of recurring locations, EvieMaybe (ended December 16, 2024)
Stop integrating templates under the names of planets and areas in the Super Mario Galaxy games, Nintendo101 (ended December 25, 2024)
Split image categories into separate ones for assets, screenshots, and artwork, Scrooge200 (ended January 5, 2025)
Establish a consistent table format for the "Recipes" section on Paper Mario item pages, Technetium (ended January 8, 2025)
Organize "List of implied" articles, EvieMaybe (ended January 12, 2025)

Talk page proposals

Split all the clothing, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 12, 2021)
Split machine parts, Robo-Rabbit, and flag from Super Duel Mode, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 30, 2022)
Make bestiary list pages for the Minion Quest and Bowser Jr.'s Journey modes, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended January 11, 2024)
Allow separate articles for Diddy Kong Pilot (2003)'s subjects, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended August 3, 2024)
Create articles for specified special buildings in Super Mario Run, Salmancer (ended November 15, 2024)
Expand and rename List of characters by game to List of characters by first appearance, Hewer (ended November 20, 2024)
Merge False Character and Fighting Polygon/Wireframe/Alloy/Mii Teams into List of Super Smash Bros. series bosses, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended December 2, 2024)
Make changes to List of Smash Taunt characters, Hewer (ended December 27, 2024)
Merge Wiggler Family to Dimble Wood, Camwoodstock (ended January 11, 2025)
Split the Ink Bomb, Camwoodstock (ended January 12, 2025)

List of talk page proposals

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Unimplemented proposals

# Proposal User Date
1 Create boss level articles for Donkey Kong Country and Donkey Kong Land series
Notes: The DK: King of Swing and DK: Jungle Climber boss levels, while not explicitly covered by this proposal, should receive the same treatment. All Donkey Kong Land boss levels have been created. 		Aokage (talk) January 3, 2015
2 Create a template for the Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door badge drop rates Lord Bowser (talk) August 17, 2016
3 Expand the Behemoth King article Owencrazyboy9 (talk) December 23, 2017
4 Decide how to cover recurring events in the Mario & Sonic series BBQ Turtle (talk) July 17, 2018
5 Allow ports of games with substantial new content to be split from the parent articles Waluigi Time (talk) July 23, 2018
6 Create pages with renditions of recognizable music themes Super Radio (talk) November 16, 2018
7 Create articles on Play Nintendo games Obsessive Mario Fan (talk) June 23, 2019
8 Reorganize Map LudwigVon (talk) July 17, 2019
9 Split Jump Block (New Super Mario Bros. Wii) and Jump Block (Mario & Wario) from Note Block Alternis (talk) July 21, 2019
10 Reorganize and split Gallery:Toys and other Merchandise galleries Results May Vary (talk) July 30, 2019
11 Split the Ice Skate and Swim Ring variants of the Goomba FanOfYoshi (talk) August 17, 2019
12 Split Buckies from Noki FanOfYoshi (talk) August 28, 2019

Writing guidelines

None at the moment.

New features

Create a DYK Committee

Recently, I have noticed a lot of edits made to Template:DidYouKnow that were, to the most part, kinda bad. They were either unsourced in their original article, poorly-written, or just not notable enough for a section on interesting stuff (there was one that treated bomb cars exploding like something amazing).
But don't fear: this proposal will set things straight.
The DYK Committee (tentative) will update the template every week, adding interesting facts.
Of course, there is the dreaded drawback.

  • Not everyone will be able to edit it anymore; only members of the DYK Committee will.

And this was brought up by Lord Bowser on the boards; we could also turn the Poll Committee into a Main Page Committee and let them do all the Main Page updating.

Drawbacks:

  • More workload for the PC.
  • Possible stagnance.

Proposer: TheDarkStar (talk)
Deadline: September 28, 2019, 23:59 GMT

Create a DYK Committee

  1. TheDarkStar (talk) Per proposal.

Make the Poll Committee a Main Page Committee

Do nothing

  1. 7feetunder (talk) I completely fail to see the point of this. All I see is you complaining about bad edits, which are easily reverted and not a cause for alarm. DYK is a simple list of random trivia facts; there is no reason it needs to be entrusted to some elite group of editors. Anyone interested in regularly updating DYK can just do so of their own free will without being part of a committee. Furthermore, only allowing a few people to edit a fact list for such a large franchise means there will be fewer ideas of what to put on the template, as well as fewer people who are tasked with updating the thing every week. I've updated DYK a few times myself, and if I ever feel like doing it again, I should not have to be part of a committee to do so. Nor should I have to contact a committee member if a catch a mistake, as opposed to just correcting it myself like I would any other page. If you notice some bad edits being made to a featured article, what are you going to do? Propose that we only allow committee members to edit featured articles? Just revert the bad edits and move on.
  2. MrConcreteDonkey (talk) - You don't need a huge amount of effort and sophistication to go into just finding four random facts from the Trivia section of any odd articles. What would a committee on this even do, debate how interesting they find random Mario facts? That's surely just subjective, as is the initial assertation that it's currently "bad". If you need anything, Perch's suggestion in the thread of one person looking over it is... more than enough. But there's no harm in letting anyone who wants to contribute add to it, and if anything's unacceptably bad (which it very rarely is) just edit it out.

Comment

On the talk page for the template, I suggested that the Did You Know committee could also be in charge of the Featured Article and News sections on the Main Page as well. What are your thoughts on this? --DeepFriedCabbage 12:04, September 21, 2019 (EDT)

FA may need a committee, because we don't want bad grammar on the featured section. News doesn't, because it's just that: news about the Mario series. Anything there doesn't reflect poorly on the wiki. TheDarkStar Sprite of the Dark Star from Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey 12:51, September 21, 2019 (EDT)

I suggest reading this thread. Some ideas were thrown around. LudwigVon is open to expanding thee pc to include DYK too. Doomhiker (talk)Artwork of a Topmini from Super Mario Galaxy 12:56, September 21, 2019 (EDT)

You mean Lord Bowser (talk). I personally don't see the reason in giving the Poll Committee more of a workload, but I'll add it as an option. TheDarkStar Sprite of the Dark Star from Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey 12:59, September 21, 2019 (EDT)
I did mean LudwigVon, on the polls section of the Discord server (Only the Poll Committee can access it, though). Doomhiker (talk)Artwork of a Topmini from Super Mario Galaxy 13:01, September 21, 2019 (EDT)
Just for clarification, I did say that I was open to expanding the Poll Committee's tasks, but if the proposal passed with giving the workload to the Poll Committee, the final decision will be made by all the members of the current Poll Committee. This means that I am not sure we will really go ahead with that (this will also need some planning to implement that). My vice-chairperson is actually opposing to the idea by giving valid reasons. So, just to make everyone know that this isn't something concrete right now. LudwigVon Sig.png(TALK)

@7feetunder: There is a point to this. If bad edits are consistently being made to the template, along with its bursts of inactivity, why would a few users in a committee working on it be a problem? You can't just block one or two users from editing for something as small as that. DYK, as minor as it is, is on the Main Page. If something is consistently being badly written, you find a solution. These edits weren't vandalism or something, they were adding facts to the DYK template... that happened to be non-notable, but facts nonetheless. Anyone can add facts to it, yes, but this includes everyone who considers stuff like lit bombs exploding or save data descriptions notable. I'm rather skeptical about people having "less ideas" for DYK, when we literally work on a massive Mario database filled with interesting facts. If they're really idea-starved, they can just hit "Random page" until they find something interesting. Besides, three or four people would be an upgrade, compared to the two who regularly update it. Either way, it is perfectly fine to contact a committee member that something isn't alright; heck, you could just contact an admin, since the template would likely be admin-protected. If I noticed bad edits being made to a featured article, I would revert them, since they, unlike DYK, are not meant to be updated every week with interesting info. TheDarkStar Sprite of the Dark Star from Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey 10:48, September 22, 2019 (EDT)

Consistent bad edits? The bad edits you're complaining about came from a single user. A lone editor's poor contributions do not justify everyone else paying the cost. I am fully aware that DYK suffers from occasional inactivity, and an increase in people monitoring it would be a plus. But again, what's preventing anyone interested in being a part of this committee from doing that now? Why do they need exclusive access to it? They don't. This is just an overreaction to a single editor's mistakes. Not needed. Dark BonesSig.png 15:06, September 22, 2019 (EDT)

Removals

None at the moment.

Changes

None at the moment.

Miscellaneous

None at the moment.

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