MarioWiki:Proposals

Current time: Sunday, October 20th, 11:48 GMT

Proposals can be new features, the removal of previously-added features that have tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action is taken. Voting periods last for two weeks. Any user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so (not, e.g., "I like this idea!"). All proposals must be approved by a majority of voters, including proposals with more than two options. For past proposals, see the proposal archive and the talk page proposal archive.

A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code {{User|User name}}.

How to

Rules

1. If users have an idea about improving the wiki or managing its community, but feel that they need community approval before acting upon that idea, they may make a proposal about it. They must have a strong argument supporting their idea and be willing to discuss it in detail with the other users, who will then vote about whether or not they think the idea should be used. Proposals should include links to all relevant pages and writing guidelines. Proposals must include a link to the draft page. Any pages that would be largely affected by the proposal should be marked with {{proposal notice}}.
2. Only registered, autoconfirmed users can create, comment in, or vote on proposals and talk page proposals. Users may vote for more than one option, but they may not vote for every option available.
3. Proposals end at the end of the day (23:59) two weeks after voting starts (all times GMT).
   • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, the voting starts immediately and the deadline is two weeks later on Monday, August 15, at 23:59 GMT.
4. Every vote should have a strong, sensible reason accompanying it. Agreeing with a previously mentioned reason given by another user is accepted (including "per" votes), but tangential comments, heavy sarcasm, and other misleading or irrelevant quips are just as invalid as providing no reason at all.
5. Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. Voters can remove or rewrite their own vote(s) at any time, but the final decision to remove another user's vote lies solely with the administrators.
   • Users can also use the comments section to bring up any concerns or mistakes in regards to the proposal itself. In such cases, it's important the proposer addresses any concerns raised as soon as possible. Even if the supporting side might be winning by a wide margin, that should be no reason for such questions to be left unanswered. They may point out any missing details that might have been overlooked by the proposer, so it's a good idea as the proposer to check them frequently to achieve the most accurate outcome possible.
6. If a user makes a vote and is subsequently blocked for any amount of time, their vote is removed. However, if the block ends before the proposal ends, then the user in question holds the right to re-cast their vote. If a proposer is blocked, their vote is removed and "(banned)" is added next to their name in the "Proposer:" line of the proposal, which runs until its deadline as normal. If the proposal passes, it falls to the supporters of the idea to enact any changes in a timely manner.
7. No proposal can overturn the decision of a previous proposal that is less than 4 weeks (28 days) old.
8. Any proposal where none of the options have at least four votes will be extended for another week. If after three extensions, no options have at least four votes, the proposal will be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
9. If a proposal reaches its deadline and there is a tie for first place, then the proposal is extended for another week.
10. If a proposal reaches its deadline and the first place option is ahead of the second place option by three or more votes, then the first place option must have over 50% approval to win. If the margin is only one or two votes, then the first place option must have at least 60% approval to win. If the required approval threshold is not met, then the proposal is extended for another week.
    • Use the {{proposal check}} tool to automate this calculation; see the template page for usage instructions and examples.
11. Proposals can be extended a maximum of three times. If a consensus has not been reached by the fourth deadline, then the proposal fails and can only be re-proposed after four weeks (at the earliest).
12. All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of an administrator, the proposer can ask for that help.
13. If the administrators deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to remove it at any time.
14. Proposals can only be rewritten or canceled by their proposer within the first six days of their creation. However, proposers can request that their proposal be canceled by an administrator at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it. Please note that canceled proposals must also be archived.
15. Unless there is major disagreement about whether certain content should be included, there should not be proposals about creating, expanding, rewriting, or otherwise fixing up pages. To organize efforts about improving articles on neglected or completely missing subjects, try setting up a collaboration thread on the forums.
16. Proposals cannot be made about promotions and demotions. Users can only be promoted and demoted by the will of the administration.
17. No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.
18. Proposals must have a status quo option (e.g. Oppose, Do nothing) unless the status quo itself violates policy.

Basic proposal and support/oppose format

This is an example of what your proposal must look like, if you want it to be acknowledged. If you are inexperienced or unsure how to set up this format, simply copy the following and paste it into the fitting section. Then replace the [subject] - variables with information to customize your proposal, so it says what you wish. If you insert the information, be sure to replace the whole variable including the squared brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information", not "[This is the inserted information]". Proposals presenting multiple alternative courses of action can have more than two voting options, but what each voting section is supporting must be clearly defined. Such options should also be kept to a minimum, and if something comes up in the comments, the proposal can be amended as necessary.

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===[insert a title for your proposal here]===
[describe what issue this proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the wiki handles that issue]

'''Proposer''': {{User|[enter your username here]}}<br>
'''Deadline''': [insert a deadline here, 14 days after the proposal was created, at 23:59 GMT, in the format: "October 20, 2024, 23:59 GMT"]

====Support====
#{{User|[enter your username here]}} [make a statement indicating that you support your proposal]

====Oppose====

====Comments====

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Users will now be able to vote on your proposal, until the set deadline is reached. Remember, you are a user as well, so you can vote on your own proposal just like the others.

To support, or oppose, just insert "#{{User|[add your username here]}}" at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on another user's proposal. If you are voting on your own proposal, you can just say "Per my proposal".

Talk page proposals

Proposals concerning a single page or a limited group of pages are held on the most relevant talk page regarding the matter. Proposals dealing with a large amount of splits, merges, or deletions across the wiki should still be held on this page.

For a list of all settled talk page proposals, see MarioWiki:Proposals/TPP archive and Category:Settled talk page proposals.

Rules

1. All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom) using {{TPP discuss}}. Include a brief description of the proposal while also mentioning any pages affected by it, a link to the talk page housing the discussion, and the deadline. If the proposal involves a page that is not yet made, use {{fake link}} to communicate its title in the description. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links. Place {{TPP}} under the section's header, and once the proposal is over, replace the template with {{settled TPP}}.
2. All rules for talk page proposals are the same as mainspace proposals (see the "How to" section above), with the exceptions made by Rules 3 and 4 as follows:
3. The talk page proposal must pertain to the subject page of the talk page it is posted on.
4. When a talk page proposal passes, it should be removed from this list and included in the list under the "Unimplemented proposals" section until the proposed changes have been enacted.

List of ongoing talk page proposals

• Merge Bunker to Lab (Luigi's Mansion 3) (discuss) Deadline: October 19, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Remove "(series)" identifier from titles that don't need it (discuss) Deadline: October 22, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Merge Spiked Thwomp to Thwomp (discuss) Deadline: October 26, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Rename or delete X-Ship (discuss) Deadline: October 29, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Rename or delete Flip-Flop Folk (discuss) Deadline: October 29, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Split Jet Pipe from the Current article (discuss) Deadline: October 29, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Add "variant," "variant of," "related," and "comparable" parameters to the item infobox (discuss) Deadline: October 30, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Split Impostor Bowser from Fake Bowser (discuss) Deadline: October 31, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Tone down the scope of the Audience article (discuss) Deadline: November 1, 2024, 23:59 GMT

Unimplemented proposals

Proposals

Establish a standard for long course listings in articles for characters/enemies/items/etc., Koopa con Carne (ended June 8, 2023)

Break alphabetical order in enemy lists to list enemy variants below their base form, EvieMaybe (ended May 21, 2024)

Standardize sectioning for Super Mario series game articles, Nintendo101 (ended July 3, 2024)

^ NOTE: Not yet integrated for the Super Mario Maker games, Super Mario Run, or Super Mario Bros. Wonder

Create new sections for gallery pages to cover "unused/pre-release/prototype/etc." graphics separate from the ones that appear in the finalized games, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 2, 2024)

Tag sections regarding the unofficially named planets/area in Super Mario Galaxy games with "Conjecture" and "Dev data" templates, GuntherBayBeee (ended September 10, 2024)

Create MarioWiki:WikiLove and WikiLove templates, Super Mario RPG (ended September 20, 2024)

Add film and television ratings to Template:Ratings, TheUndescribableGhost (ended October 1, 2024)

Use the classic and classic-link templates when discussing classic courses in Mario Kart Tour, YoYo (ended October 2, 2024)

Split articles for the alternate-named reskins from All Night Nippon: Super Mario Bros., Doc von Schmeltwick (ended October 3, 2024)

Clarify coverage of the Super Smash Bros. series, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended October 17, 2024)

Cite relevant proposals and discussions on policy pages and guidelines, Koopa con Carne (ended October 17, 2024)

Talk page proposals

Split all the clothing, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 12, 2021)

Split machine parts, Robo-Rabbit, and flag from Super Duel Mode, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 30, 2022)

Make bestiary list pages for the Minion Quest and Bowser Jr.'s Journey modes, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended January 11, 2024)

Allow separate articles for Diddy Kong Pilot (2003)'s subjects, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended August 3, 2024)

Split Banana Peel from Banana, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 18, 2024)

Merge pages into List of Play Nintendo secret messages, Axii (ended October 4, 2024)

Create Secret exit article, EvieMaybe (ended October 15, 2024)

Writing guidelines

None at the moment.

New features

None at the moment.

Removals

None at the moment.

Changes

Recreate Smash Bros. DOJO!!

As far as I can tell, this proposal won't contradict the big ongoing proposal. 17 years ago this proposal removed Smash Bros. DOJO!!, an official website for Brawl that contains some cool content about the game. The website is still accessible, which is really surprising for Nintendo. The proposal decided that all website articles should be deleted, something this wiki no longer does (just look at Play Nintendo, Wario's Warehouse, and Nintendo Kids Space). Smash Bros. DOJO!! contains plenty of Mario content (mostly in the form of articles similar to Wario's Warehouse) that should be covered on its own page.

Proposer: Axii (talk)
Deadline: October 22, 2024, 23:59 GMT

Support

1. Axii (talk) A proposal to reinstate a deleted Smash page, unbelievable
2. Pseudo (talk) Per proposal.
3. Tails777 (talk) Per proposal
4. Camwoodstock (talk) We're surprised this was deleted given we're currently the last line of defense for Wario's Warehouse nowadays--talk about a change of heart! We wouldn't be opposed to greater documentation of Nintendo's promotional websites, frankly, and this'd be a good starting point for that. Smash DOJO is one of the most famous examples of one of these promotional sites, and while we are a little shaky given it's Smash and not Mario outright, there's nothing preventing us from doing something similar for more Mario-related websites down the road.
5. FanOfYoshi (talk) Per all.

#Koopa con Carne (talk) Per proposal.

#OmegaRuby (talk) Per proposal.

Oppose

1. Ahemtoday (talk) The Dojo is the same as the Smash 4 or Ultimate websites — all three of them, like most official video game websites, are basically advertisements for their respective games. We're not the Smash Wiki — I see zero need for our coverage of the Smash series to go so deep as to begin to cover its promotional material.
2. EvieMaybe (talk) we don't need to keep eating smashwiki's lunch. if there's enough exclusively mario-centric content to warrant making a page out of, i'll change my vote, but for now i'm firmly on the camp of "smash stuff is not mario stuff"
3. SeanWheeler (talk) If we have the official website for Brawl, will we create pages on the Smash 4 and Ultimate websites, the SmashBoards forums and every website Smash Wiki has?
4. Shy Guy on Wheels (talk) Smash Bros. DOJO!! is the website for Super Smash Bros. Brawl, and I don't know of any instances of this wiki actually making a page for a game's official website, so this would just be incosistent. I'm fine with the general idea of covering the posts on the website, but this would also be inconsistent as neither the posts on the Super Smash Bros. Ultimate website, or Super Smash Bros. 4's "pic of the day" series, have pages here. I want to stress that I don't take issue with either of these concepts as a whole, I'm just not a fan of making a change to create an article on this one topic, and would prefer a bigger proposal that allows coverage of similar topics as well.
5. Mario (talk) Not relevant to MarioWiki's goals.

Comments

I'd suggest that the website's (textual) contents not be entirely copied and pasted here, though. I understand why this was done with Wario's Warehouse, as that site pretty much disappeared without a trace, but Smash DOJO's still officially up and has been backed up on Internet Archive (thank god Wayback Machine's at least read-only now). I envision its wiki article having a summary of each section of the site and a list of blog posts with relevant links for each section. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 14:22, October 15, 2024 (EDT)

Unless Nintendo takes it down, that's the plan. Axii (talk) 14:29, October 15, 2024 (EDT)

"We wouldn't be opposed to greater documentation of Nintendo's promotional websites, frankly, and this'd be a good starting point for that."
Play Nintendo, Nintendo Kids Space, SMBPlumbing.com, and Welcome to Greedville are a joke to you??? :'((( -- KOOPA CON CARNE 16:47, October 15, 2024 (EDT)

We know this was probably a goof, but honestly, those articles are a very nice basis for what we're talking about! We mostly mean we could also add stuff like the old flash-based NSMB website that had a boatload of downloadables and even hints for the game itself (the former have an incomplete list on that game's gallery, the latter seem to be entirely AWOL), or maybe even stuff like the Japanese Paper Mario site that had pre-created lists of badge setups for the player to try out, complete with descriptions of their strategies. ~Camwoodstock (talk) 16:55, October 15, 2024 (EDT)

@SeanWheeler why are you implying fan websites would get covered? This is not Smash wiki. This is a Mario wiki that should cover everything Mario, and Smash Bros. DOJO!! contains just that. Official Mario content published by Nintendo. Axii (talk) 02:25, October 16, 2024 (EDT)

@Shy Guy on Wheels there is really nothing stopping people from making a page about other official websites if they have enough unique Mario content on them. SMBPlumbing.com is a good example of that. If anything it would be inconsistent if we didn't cover major websites when there's official Mario content on them. This proposal specifically targets DOJO because it has a unique name, historical significance, and plenty of content about Mario. Axii (talk) 09:50, October 16, 2024 (EDT)

@EvieMaybe why are you opposed to covering official Mario content on the Super Mario Wiki? Axii (talk) 09:51, October 16, 2024 (EDT)

@Ahemtoday so, the same as SMBPlumbing.com? Why should we avoid making a page for a website that contains Mario content released by Nintendo just because it's related to Smash? Axii (talk) 09:53, October 16, 2024 (EDT)

Rescinding my vote because, honestly, having browsed the website quite a bit, I'm left wondering what type of content there justifies treating it as a work separate from the object it promotes, in a way that other promo websites aren't. DOJO is definitely more insightful than your average Nintendo game microsite, doubling as a blog where the director himself spills much ink on Brawl's intricacies, but it's not that different in principle--its purpose is still almost solely to give you information on the elements you can expect in a potential future purchase, along with the fringe player-centric content such as fan-submitted snapshots and world records in minigames. Portals like Play Nintendo, SMBPlumbing.com, Welcome to Greedville, and The Lab, while indeed also built entirely in service of one or more products, provide experiences in and of themselves, either by being a hub of activities or by supplementing the fiction within said product(s) and therefore expanding Mario's universe (i.e. SMBPlumbing.com is a make-believe business site for the Mario Bros.; of course it would have an article, it's meant to exist within the Mario movie).
I understand the... let's say, cultural importance of Smash Bros. DOJO, that it represented the bells-and-whistles of Brawl prior to its release, and the fact that it provided direct and constant communication from the game's director, so, yes, it is a special product in its own way. Heck, the title itself is unique and suggests a departure from the average promo site, as opposed to a more generic "Official Super Smash Bros. Brawl(TM) Website". However, it is also inextricably linked to the game. The best course, IMO, would be to summarize the website in a section of Brawl's article and limit it to that, especially against the backdrop of all these attempts to restrict Smash Bros coverage. To be honest, I think Super Mario Maker Bookmark deserves more to have an article. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 12:38, October 16, 2024 (EDT)

I don't know if the Bookmark site should get a page. There's just nothing to write about, no extra information, just a search and bookmarking function. DOJO, on the other hand, contains news publications. It's not an interactive website, but it doesn't devalue all the posts on it. Anything Nintendo puts out online is inherently an advertising material, but, given that Nintendo published articles on it for a year, it should be covered on this wiki. The opposition has mentioned that this proposal would open a can of worms of its own, namely which websites should we even cover, and I think it needs to be addressed by a different proposal at some point in the future regardless of the outcome of this proposal. But for now, I see no harm in making a page for a website with historical significance, unique name, and Mario content exclusive to it. Axii (talk) 12:53, October 16, 2024 (EDT)

Koopa con Carne makes a good point. Rescinding my vote as well, but not switching to oppose, as I wouldn't really mind if we had an article for it anyways. -- It's OmegaRuby's birth month! [ Talk / Contribs ] 14:13, October 16, 2024 (EDT)

The fact that not every Mario website gets an article here would be a strong point against DOJO's return. Why should a Smash official site get an article when not every Mario site has one? Not even Nintendo.com has a page here. DOJO has even less Mario content than Brawl itself. And Smash Wiki has an article on it if you want to read it on a wiki. What is even worth having that article here? Is it going to focus on the Mario content, or would it focus on details that were too unnecessary for the Smash Wiki page? Could someone who undeletes pages check what was on the page the proposal is trying to restore? Was the page a stub? How similar was the page to the Smash Wiki page? Well, even if it was a good article, I think we should give all Mario websites pages before we consider crossover websites like the Smash Bros. Dojo pages. Yes, even the Super Mario Wiki should get a page on itself that isn't the Main Page before we do Smash websites. SeanWheeler (talk) 01:55, October 17, 2024 (EDT)

The quality of the original article is irrelevant, what matters is how much Mario content there is to cover. As I said above, this wiki should have guidelines on website coverage, but it's not for this proposal to decide. And no, this wiki shouldn't cover fan websites. Axii (talk) 03:26, October 17, 2024 (EDT)

In terms of Mario content, it wouldn't be much. It would be almost like having a page about Smash Wiki focusing on their Mario pages. Except that there's even less Mario content on that than there is on Smash Wiki because it is focused on Brawl which has less Mario stuff than Ultimate. The home page shows a wider version of the game's cover art which has Mario, Wario and Peach on it along with eight non-Mario characters. The character's gallery has only Wario and Diddy Kong out of the twelve characters in the newcomers section; Mario, Bowser, Peach, Donkey Kong and Yoshi out of the thirteen veterans, and the only secret character who is Mario-related is Luigi. The Mario universe doesn't even take up half the roster. Now, let's look at the stages. Delfino Plaza, Yoshi's Island, Rumble Falls, WarioWare Inc.; Mario Circuit and Mushroomy Kingdom are the 6 Mario stages out of the 23 visible stages in the Stages category not counting the links to the two lists of Melee stages. Well, I guess the first part is not much of a list because it only has the Temple from Zelda. But in Melee Stages Part 2, there is Yoshi's Island and Rainbow Cruise as the two Mario stages out of the list of five. Not even half of the stuff on the DOJO is Mario related. I don't see how it could warrant an article when a purely Mario official site like the Super Mario Maker Bookmark doesn't. SeanWheeler (talk) 23:30, October 18, 2024 (EDT)

For everyone's information, I added a section about the site on Brawl's article. I don't believe the outcome of this proposal has any bearing on the manner this subject is currently handled, seeing as the sole goal of the proposal is to give it a separate page. I also disagree with the idea that the site is irrelevant to the wiki, for the simple reason that, much like the game it advertises, it has lots of Mario content on it and is official. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 11:04, October 18, 2024 (EDT)

Remove all subpage and redirect links from all navigational templates

Navigational templates are one of this wiki's best features. They're a really convenient way to get around the wiki. However, one common pitfall of the templates is bloat, in particular in the form of links to subjects that do not have dedicated articles. I have previously made a proposal about this subject specifically in the context of the Super Smash Bros. series, but the problem extends to navigational templates across the entire wiki.

In principle, navigational templates should be directories of articles on the wiki. What advantage does it give the reader for Template:WWMI to have a whole section dedicated to eighteen separate links to subsections of Form Stones on top of a link to the main article itself? Why does Template:Humans link to all seven individual members of List of show hosts in All Night Nippon: Super Mario Bros. individually? Does the already crowded Template:Super Mario games really need to use precious space on a link to a two-sentence section about a theoretical game that Elon Musk claims to have failed to have pitched to Nintendo?

I propose that, across the board, all subpage and redirect links on all navigational templates should be either removed or replaced. (Red links are relatively fine, as long as the things they don't link to theoretically should be articles that just haven't been made yet. Edge cases like "Unnamed Worlds A-C Human" should be decided case-by-case in the relevant talk pages.)

Proposer: JanMisali (talk)
Deadline: October 31, 2024, 23:59 GMT

Remove the extra links from navigational templates

1. JanMisali (talk) As proposer.
2. Hewer (talk) To be honest, the main reason I'm supporting this is because I hate how cluttered Template:Super Mario games is with useless links, and this would help solve that problem. We don't need to list every single game to ever have been pitched there.
3. Camwoodstock (talk) This makes sense to us. It's much easier to just list a page link once and only once.
4. OmegaRuby (talk) Per all.
5. EvieMaybe (talk) per all

Comments

Wait, that ANN thing is a page? I was unaware. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:51, October 17, 2024 (EDT)

A page that's linked to on nearly 900 (!!) other pages! But since those links are hidden in a big bloated alphabetical list of characters (only most of which have actual articles), it's not nearly as visible of an article as it otherwise would be. jan Misali (talk · contributions) 19:09, October 17, 2024 (EDT)

When I made that proposal not too long ago on that game, my idea was a page for each since they're all based on real people and look different despite having the same role (like the people in Mario is Missing and the NES Mario's Time Machine). Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:13, October 17, 2024 (EDT)

That sounds perfectly reasonable. If/when those dedicated articles are created, then including links to them in Template:Humans would make sense. As it stands now, of course, linking to one list article several times is just messy and unhelpful. jan Misali (talk · contributions) 19:20, October 17, 2024 (EDT)

Miscellaneous

None at the moment.