User talk:Mister Wu/30th Anniversary Books Related Questions/Archive 1
Various questions
Since you are now done with the Koopaling bios from the Encyclopedia, you could probably check a couple of more things related to enemies:
1.) How are Boss Bass and Big Bertha from SMB3 descriped? Do they have their own bios or not?
2.) Are post-SMB3 Rocky Wrenches said to be moles? You can also use the Memorial Book to check this.
3.) What is said about the blue fake Bowser from SMB:LL?
If more comes to my mind, I'll post here.
PS. Not to be rude, but I don't know why you always write something in the summary. It's kinda excessive especially for talk pages imo. SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 10:03, 16 April 2016 (EDT)
- I'll try to answer all points:
- 1)Boss Bass and Big Bertha in the Super Mario Bros. 3 enemies page are actually the same enemy, here is the description:
- 巨大プクプク
- 水面を移動し、ジャンプして襲いかかってくる。水中にいることもある。
- So, actually, they are considered the same enemy, the interesting thing is that they are distinct from Boss Bass that appears in Super Mario 64 and subsequent games, who is called 「バサバサ」 instead. In the Memorial Book only the latter is present, and is confirmed not to be featured in Super Mario Bros. 3.
- 2)Rocky Wrenches
- Unfortunately, these enemies aren't featured in the Memorial Book Characters' pages. Here are the descriptions from the games other than Super Mario Bros. 3 as reported in the Encyclopedia, where thaey are known as 「プー」 (and are distinguished from the Rocky Wrenches of Super Mario Galaxy that are called 「モグ」, so we finally have an official source for the different name!):
- NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. WII
- 飛行船の船体から顔を出し、スパナを投げて攻撃してくる。
- SUPER MARIO 3D LAND
- 穴から顔を出し、スパナやボムへいなどを投げてくる。
- NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. U
- 飛行船に登場。船体から顔を出し、スパナを投げてくる。
- So nothing particularly substantial, your question lies unanswered, unfortunately.
- 3)Blue Bowser
- This is actually a very interesting case that actually will likely make me rewrite the evolution of the appearance of Bowser. Before starting, let's see how the fake Bowser is described.
- In both Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels enemies' sections he is known as 「にせ クッパ」, and here are his descriptions:
- SUPER MARIO BROS.
- 城コースで待ち受けるボス。W1~5は炎を、W6~7はハンマーを投げる。
- SUPER MARIO BROS.: THE LOST LEVELS
- 炎やハンマーで攻撃してくる。倒すと正体がわかる。
- Interestingly, the fake Bowser of Super Mario 3D Land has a different name,「しっぽ クッパ」. Here is his description:
- 炎を吐き、しっぽを回して攻撃してくる。倒すと正体がわかる。
- However, when we see the description of Blue Bowser, things are different. His name is 「クッパ(青)」, so it's not implied that he's a fake Bowser, his description is also peculiar:
- 青い体のクッパ。3か所に出現し、炎やハンマーで攻撃してくる。
- So, it's not said that he's a fake Bowser. This might be an intriguing element for a discussion about the depiction of Bowser, since we actually have an artwork of a Blue Bowser:
- Please note that the yellow hair, black eyebrows and red eyes come from the Super Mario Bros. cover art.
- Regarding using the summary, I do it to briefly describe what I have done so that it's easier to correct mistakes, but also to point out an important concept in an answer.--Mister Wu (talk) 20:18, 16 April 2016 (EDT)
So Boss Bass and Big Bertha are like prototypical Cheep Chomps and Blue Bowser is played up as a mystery. Alright, next question.
4.) Are Dino Piranha and Gobblegut separated from their fire counterparts in the book or under the same enemy slot? SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 07:40, 17 April 2016 (EDT)
- 4)Dino Piranha
- The Encyclopedia clearly consider them separate characters, and the Super Mario Galaxy 2 enemies' section even has three of them:
- SUPER MARIO GALAXY
- ディノパックン
- マリオを見つけると、大きな口を開けて襲いかかってくる。しっぽが弱点。
- ディノパックン(黒)
- 炎をまとったディノパックン。体に触れるとダメージ。
- SUPER MARIO GALAXY 2
- ディノパックン
- マリオを見つけると追いかけてくる。しっぽが弱点。
- ディノパックン(黒)
- 炎の体のディノパックン。火の玉を吐いてくる。
- ディノパックンJr.
- マリオを追いかけてくる。タマゴの殻に包まれたおしりが弱点。
- The Super Mario Memorial Book only describe Dino Piranha but also mentions the two other versions:
- ディノパックン
- 恐ろしく巨大なパックンフラワー。幼体のディノパックンJr.や体に炎をまとった仲間も登場する。
- Regarding Gobblegut, he's only mentioned in the Encyclopedia, again distinguished between normal and "dark" version:
- ガブリュウ
- 大きな口で攻撃してくる。長い体の赤い部分が弱点。
- ガブリユウ(黒)
- 炎の体を持ち、火の玉を降らしてくるガブリユウ。長い体の赤い部分が弱点。
- --Mister Wu (talk) 11:24, 17 April 2016 (EDT)
Dino Pakkun Jr. I recognise as Peewee Piranha. As for the others, the only identifiers seem to come from the kanji in parantheses. I remember Koopa Troopas getting similar treatment in the book.
5.) What about Toads? I'm the guy who doesn't easily believe that characters who can be portrayed as species would have their own unique individual in the form of a generic character, seeing how much they have interchangability imo, but I've seen some pages that seem to point to the contradictory. SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 08:35, 27 April 2016 (EDT)
- Regarding Toad and Toads there are many interesting parts in both books, it will take me some time to gather all the relevant parts and I will be busy this week-end, so you'll see no earlier than the next week, probably even later than that, unfortunately.--Mister Wu (talk) 19:11, 27 April 2016 (EDT)
- 5)I was finally able to transcribe the descriptions of the Encyclopedia. Since you were interested in the matter, I included Yellow Toad, Blue Toad and Captain Toad.
- BIOS
- キノピオ
- ピーチ姫に仕えるキノコ王国の住人。なにかと冒険の手助けをしてくれる。
- きいろキノピオ
- 黄色い頭とベストを着用した、キノピオの仲間。
- あおキノピオ
- キノピオの仲間。きいろキノピオやマリオたちと冒険に出ることもある。
- SUPER MARIO BROS.
- キノピオ
- ピーチ姫に仕えている。7体いて、各ワールドで人質になっている。
- SUPER MARIO BROS.: THE LOST LEVELS
- キノピオ
- ピーチ姫に仕えており、人質になっている。
- SUPER MARIO BROS. 3
- キノピオ
- 各国の王様に仕えている。キノピオの家で、便利なアイテムもくれる。
- SUPER MARIO BROS. 2
- キノピオ
- 持ち上げる力が強く、ダッシュも速い。ただし、ジャンプ力は低い。
- SUPER MARIO 64
- キノピオ
- キノコ城の住人。壁の中に閉じこめられている。
- SUPER MARIO SUNSHINE
- キノピオ
- ピーチ姫の付き人。5色のキノピオが、ドルピック島のあちこちにいる。
- NEW SUPER MARIO BROS.
- キノピオ
- キノコ城が襲われた際、あわてふためいていた。
- SUPER MARIO GALAXY
- キノピオ
- キノコ王国の住人。星くず祭を開催していた。
- キノピオ探検隊
- 5人のキノピオで結成された、ピーチ姫捜索隊。赤いキノピオが隊長。
- NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. WII
- キノピオ
- 「キノピオの家」におり、冒険に役立つアイテムをくれる。コース中に囚われていることもある。
- あおキノピオ
- マルチプレイ時に登場。能力はマリオたちと同じ。
- きいろキノピオ
- マルチプレイ時に登場する色違いのキノピオ。
- SUPER MARIO GALAXY 2
- キノピオ
- ピーチ城に仕えるキノコ王国の住人。
- キノピオ探検隊
- キノピオ隊長率いる5人のキノピオから結成された、ピーチ姫捜索隊。星船マリオでは、あずかり屋や郵便屋を担当。
- SUPER MARIO 3D LAND
- キノピオ
- キノピオの家やコース上にいて、アイテムをくれる。
- タヌキキノピオ
- スペシャルワールドにいる、タヌキの姿をしたキノピオ。
- NEW SUPER MARIO BROS.2
- キノピオ
- 「キノピオの家」でパワーアップアイテムをくれたり、マリオの残り数を増やしてくれたりする。
- NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. U
- キノピオ
- 冒険中、役立つアイテムをくれる。
- きいろキノピオ
- マルチプレイで登場。能力はマリオたちと同じ。
- あおキノピオ
- マルチプレイで登場。色違いのキノピオ。
- SUPER MARIO 3D WORLD
- キノピオ
- ダッシュのスピードは速いが、ジャンプが苦手。
- キノピオ
- キノピオの家にいて、アイテムをくれる。ワールドによって色が違う。
- キノピオ隊長
- 特定のコースで使用できる。重いリユックを背負っているため、ジャンプができない。通常コースにも登場し、助けてあげるとグリーンスターをもらえる。
- So, it is confirmed that the Toad of Super Mario 3D World is not the Blue Toad, but just Toad, with the blue color being a reference to the NES version of Super Mario Bros. 2. Captain Toad is also confirmed to not be just Toad, but a separate character (although it is introduced just as a red Toad). Generally, there is not a clear distinction between the character Toad and the Toad species, and even in Super Mario 3D World they share the same name with the being the distinguishing factor and a particular reference to the Toad character is missing. The Encyclopedia also has a page dedicated to the games starring other characters of the Super Mario Bros. series. This is the section regarding Toad and Captain Toad:
- キノピオ&キノピオ隊長
- キノピオが初めて主役となったのは、1994年にファミリーコンピュータ用に発売された『ワリオの森』でのこと。妖精たちのすむ森をワリむ森をワリオの魔の手から救うためにモンスターと戦うという、パズルアクションゲームだ。『スーパーマリオUSA』で培つたカ持ちという設定を活かし、敵や爆弾を投げて消していく。
- また、『スーパーマリオギャラクシー』で初登場のキノピオ隊長も、2014年にWiiUで発売された『進め!キノピオ隊長』では主役を務めた。『進め!キノピオ隊長』は、箱庭型のコースでグリーンスターを探すアドベンチャーゲームで、キノピコとともに冒険を繰り広げる。『スーパーマリオ3Dワールド』とかかわりの深いストーリーとなっており、一部には同じパワーアップアイテムや敵キャラクターも登場している。
- It is again evident that Captain Toad is the same one of Super Mario Galaxy, while I cannot understand if the Toad of Wario's Woods is the same as that of Super Mario Bros. 2 (though the wording seems to refer to other elements instead).
- Finally, these are the descriptions in the Super Mario Memorial Book:
- キノピオ
- キノコ王国の住人たち。ピーチをさらわれてマリオに助けを求めるのがお約束のシリーズを代表するキャラで、赤色や黄色などカラーはさまざま。また、キノじいやキノピオ隊長など固有の名前をもつものもいる。
- 登場作品
- SM, SM2, SM3, USA, SM64, SMS, NSM, SMG, NSMW, SMG2, 3DL, NSM2, NSMU, 3DW
- キノピオ隊長
- キノピオ探検隊の隊長。2014年に発売された『進め!キノピオ隊長』では主演を務めた。
- 登場作品
- SMG, SMG2, 3DW
- At this point, it is clear that Captain Toad is the one seen in Super Mario Galaxy and Super Mario Galaxy 2 and is a distinguished character to the point of being compared to Toadsworth. On the other hand, there still is no evidence for the existence of a Toad character, which is odd.--Mister Wu (talk) 11:28, 13 May 2016 (EDT)
- Sweet zombie Jesus, you're doooone~. Props for the effort you made~.
- Anyways, I was kinda expecting they weren't going to specify clearly if there is indeed a particular generic Toad who is portrayed as the representative character of his species. As I said, I don't easily believe in this concept, and these bios affirm my beliefs on this regarding Toad. In fact, I heavily question Kamek being a separate character from Magikoopas on the basis of wonky Yoshi's Island translation work and bios that mention SMW as his first game even though many say that was only the Magikoopa species and that Kamek "the character" appeared later in Yoshi's Island. And that's pretty much what my "no specific generic species members" belief is based on.
- Also, where is it said that Toad's blue color in SM3DW is a reference to SMB2, I must have missed that. SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 12:54, 13 May 2016 (EDT)
- It's not said in the Encyclopedia, of course, it was just my consideration since the name is 「キノピオ」 instead of 「あおキノピオ」 explicitly used for the Blue Toad both in the characters pages and in the NSMBW and NSMBU characters bios. As far as I know, the game where we saw a playable Blue Toad that was named Toad is the NES version of SMB2, and actually all the four main characters and their abilities are taken from that game--Mister Wu (talk) 13:41, 13 May 2016 (EDT)
- There is now also this site that might be relevant for the investigation of whether there is a Toad character. By the looks of it, they are still referring to the species, but maybe I'm wrong.--Mister Wu (talk) 10:22, 1 June 2016 (EDT)
- It's not said in the Encyclopedia, of course, it was just my consideration since the name is 「キノピオ」 instead of 「あおキノピオ」 explicitly used for the Blue Toad both in the characters pages and in the NSMBW and NSMBU characters bios. As far as I know, the game where we saw a playable Blue Toad that was named Toad is the NES version of SMB2, and actually all the four main characters and their abilities are taken from that game--Mister Wu (talk) 13:41, 13 May 2016 (EDT)
I don't know how complete you are with the Toad question, but I've got more.
6.) This is specifically about the Memorial Book. Does it have a dedicated section about items as it does about characters? If it does, what does it say about Green Stars?
7.) Is Ice Piranha's (from NSMBU) name アイスパックン Ice Pakkun? Because if it is, then that means it's the same as Frost Piranha Japanese name wise.
SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 08:13, 11 May 2016 (EDT)
- Unfortunately Toad is taking more time than I wanted, I can answer the remaining questions as there's much less to say about them.
- 6)No, it doesn't, but the Encyclopedia has a section related to the items in each game, including the green stars:
- SUPER MARIO GALAXY
- グリーンスター
- 試練の扉を開くのに必要な、緑色のパワースター。
- SUPER MARIO GALAXY 2
- グリーンスター
- パワースターを120個集めると出現する特別なスター。
- SUPER MARIO 3D WORLD
- グリーンスター
- コース内にいくつか隠されている。条件を満たすと出現することも。
- The name is therefore the same, but the power stars (「パワースター」) are mentioned only in the two Super Mario Galaxy games. As an interesting point of comparison, the Red Power Star in Super Mario Galaxy is referred to as 「レッドパワースター」.
- 7)As, expected, it is present only in the Encyclopedia, in which the name is exactly the same as those of the Paper Mario series:
- アイスパックン
- 土管から顔を出し、アイスボールを吐いて攻撃してくる。--Mister Wu (talk) 09:20, 11 May 2016 (EDT)
Then as a immediate follow-up to the sixth question:
8.) Is the Red Star power-up in that case 「レッドスター」? SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 11:18, 11 May 2016 (EDT)
- 8)It is. Here are the descriptions of both the red star and the red power star:
- レッドスター
- 一定時間フライングマリオにパワーアップできる。
- レッドパワースター
- 天の扉でしか入手できない赤いパワースター。
- The absence of a green star power-up might be a reason why the name doesn't specify if we're talking about green stars or green power stars.--Mister Wu (talk) 15:05, 11 May 2016 (EDT)
New set of questions:
9.) What's the form obtained from Red Star called?
10.) In SMG and SMG2, there are two types of Goombas, the standard one and the smaller, weaker kind. What's the name of that Goomba?
11.) Does the book make any type of reference to Toad Town from Paper Mario? Look for SMG and SMG2, those are the games with towns near Peach's Castle.
12.) What exactly are Goomba Towers called?
--SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 03:42, 28 May 2016 (EDT)
- 9)The form is called 「フライングマリオ」 so nothing particular, but still appropriate.
- 10)The samller, weaker Goombas are known as 「マメクリボー」, so they are essentially Micro Goombas also in the Encyclopedia.
- 11)This one is tricky. The place is hardly referenced at all. For example, let's look at the section dedicated to the first Super Mario Galaxy in the Encyclopedia. In the story, we have the following:
- ピーチ姫からの招待状をにぎりしめ、マリオがお城に到着するとそこは、きらびやかに輝く星くず祭の真っ最中でした。楽しげに踊るキノピオたちに迎えられ、
- 幸せなひとときを感じるマリオでしたが......
- And in the Memorial Book we don't have much more information:
- 会場に到着すると、突如現れたクッパによってピーチ姫はさらわれ、祭りは大混乱彼女を助けるためマリオは広大な冒険へ旅立つ。
- Of course, we also have the description of each galaxy along with the stars that can be collected there, but even those don't say much:
- グランドフィーレギャラクシー
- ピーチ城周辺に広がる、星くず祭の会場。キノビオたちが迎えてくれる。
- ようこそ!星くず祭へ
- 平和が戻ったピーチ城の庭に散らばる、パープルコイソを集める。
- The AND MORE section also has a small paragraph, but little is said about the place:
- 完全クリアで
- グランド
- フィナーレ！
- ルイージでパワースターを120個集めると、「グランドフィナーレギャラクシー」が出現。星くず祭が開催される中、パープルコインを集める最後シナリオだ。これをマリオとルイージでクリアすると、パワースターが全242個となって完全クリアとなる。
- Finally, the story of Super Mario Galaxy 2, only present in the Encyclopedia, does not tell us more:
- すっかり懐いた 迷子の星の子 ベビィチコをつれ お城へ たどり着いたマリオですが そこで、待っていたものは…
- It is referenced as the venue where the Star Festival is held, more or less.
- 12)They are called 「タワークリボー」, so a simple and self-explanatory name also in the Encyclopedia.--Mister Wu (talk) 22:08, 28 May 2016 (EDT)
Here's one based on a dispute "on hold".
13.) SMG, SMG2 and SM3DW have blue Lava Bubbles; how does the Encyclopedia describe those? Are they listed in one slot or are they separate from red Lava Bubbles? SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 11:50, 3 June 2016 (EDT)
- 13)Actually, only the Super Mario Galaxy 2 enemies section separates them, in the other two games you mentioned the blue ones are still considered Lava Bubbles.
- SUPER MARIO GALAXY
- バブル
- 溶岩から飛び出し、跳ねながら追いかけてくる。時間がたつと消える。
- SUPER MARIO GALAXY 2
- バブル
- 一定の間隔で溶岩から飛び出す火の玉。
- バブル(青)
- 溶岩から飛び出し、跳ねながら追いかけてくる。しばらくすると消える。
- SUPER MARIO 3D WORLD
- バブル
- 一定の間隔で溶岩から飛び出す。青色のタイプもいる。
- The Super Mario 3D world enemies section actually explicitly says that some lava bubbles are blue, while still grouping them together. The Super Mario Memorial Book group them together as well:
- バブル
- 『スーパーマリオブラザーズ』に登場した火の玉のようなキャラクター。ファイアスネークは仲間。
- Curiously enough, there is no mention of the blue ones, while a connection to the Fire Snakes is made instead.
So, more of the case where a color is mentioned in parantheses to distinguish different types of a enemy. I think I get the logic behind this now: the book establishes that they are same enemy, but separates them under some circumstances, such as if there are two or more varieties that differ in appearance, functions behaviour, form etc. with color serving as the identifier from the base enemy if needed. It seems to vary from enemy to enemy, since the Lava Bubbles are separated by behaviour and appearance only in SMG2, while Dino Piranha and Gobblegut both have alternative fire forms ("Black" in the book).
Anyway, next question:
14.) Is the SMB3 Missile Bill's Japanese name 「Uターンキラー」 as this wiki currently states? SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 03:55, 7 June 2016 (EDT)
- 14)Looks like you have found another odd case here, as the Missile Bills are referenced among the Bullet Bills instead of having their own slot:
- キラー
- キラー砲台から発射され、まっすぐに飛んでくる。Uターンするタイプもいる。
- This means, of course, that they don't really have a name there, but the U-turn is indeed mentioned.
Actually, now that I've taken a closer look, it was in fact me who added that name. Must have been before I started looking for sources like official guides to confirm this stuff, so I may have to remove that name. That aside, here's a new one:
15. Are the two Dragoneel colors separate as well in the Encyclopedia? SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 13:52, 25 June 2016 (EDT)
- 15)THe two Dragoneel colors aren't separate:
- タツノン
- 長い胴体を持ち、マリオに向かって泳いでくる。
- This time the two colors aren't even mentioned in the description, but I couldn't find another box for the other color.
Couple o'more questions:
16.) What are the ! Switches called in each game, if the book even has them listed?
17.) What about the ! Blocks, for which this wiki has listed "Surprise Block" as a Japanese name?
--SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 08:17, 8 July 2016 (EDT)
- 16)The ! Switches are listed in the Encyclopedia, and they have pretty consistent names:
- SUPER MARIO WORLD
- ビックリスイッチ
- SUPER MARIO 64
- ビックリスイッチ
- NEW SUPER MARIO BROS.
- ビックリスイッチ
- NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. WII
- ビックリスイッチ
- 巨大ビックリスイッチ
- NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. 2
- ビックリスイッチ
- 巨大ビックリスイッチ
- NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. U
- ビックリスイッチ
- So, pretty much always surprise switches, in some cases huge.
- 17)The ! blocks have changed role in the various games and, accordingly, their name changed as well:
- SUPER MARIO BROS. 3
- 不思議リフト
- SUPER MARIO WORLD
- ビックリブロック
- SUPER MARIO 64
- 透明ブロック
- 緑のブロック
- 青いブロック
- 赤いブロック
- 黄色いブロック
- NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. WII
- おてほんブロック
- SUPER MARIO 3D LAND
- ビックリブロック
- ワープボックス
- NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. U
- おてほんブロック
- SUPER MARIO 3D WORLD
- スイッチブロック
- ワープボックス
- So, Surprise Block is effectively among the names; interestingly, this name was reused in Super Mario 3D Land as well, while in Super Mario 3D World Switch Block was used instead.--Mister Wu (talk) 23:49, 10 July 2016 (EDT)
18.) I just remembered where the ! Blocks were in 3D World and that they act like ON/OFF Switch from SMW. What are those named in the book? SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 05:57, 11 July 2016 (EDT)
- 18)Those blocks are known as 「スイッチブロック」, so Switch Blocks.--Mister Wu (talk) 08:26, 11 July 2016 (EDT)
19.) This is the question I've been forgetting to ask, but does Big Boo from SMW have two slots for both the common enemy and the boss of Donut Secret House? SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 11:00, 22 July 2016 (EDT)
- I'm sorry but Im on vacation now, I will be able to reply at the end of next week. Mister Wu (talk) 17:13, 23 July 2016 (EDT)
- 19)They are under the same slot, with a mention that Big Boo can be a boss:
- アトミックテレサ
- 大きなテレサ。ボスとして現れたときは、ブルブルブロックで攻撃可能。
- 19)They are under the same slot, with a mention that Big Boo can be a boss:
Hello. First of all, thank you so much for putting up information about the 30th anniversary encyclopedia online - it is painfully difficult to find. Secondly, I have some questions about the encyclopedia's contents too, that would help clear up some things on the wiki.
1) What does it say about Super Mario Bros.' story, and more particularly how Toads got turned into bricks and plants? This bit of story seems to have been dropped with Super Mario Bros. 3 yet keeps being referenced.
2) What does it say about The Lost Levels' story? The FDS version's manual states it is a "parallel world" to SMB1, with the same story otherwise, does the encyclopedia keep this?
3) What does it say about Galaxy 2's story? The English localization plays it off as a retelling of Galaxy 1's, while the Japanese version would seem to make references here and there that would make it a direct sequel to Galaxy 1, and some other localizations (such as French) are neutral.
4) I know Yoshi's Island is not covered, but is there anything that is said about "Yoster Island" and "Yoshi Island" being separate places? The international localization would translate them both as Yoshi's Island while they appear to be distinct in Japan. Similarly, is anything said about Kamek the character and Kamek the species being distinct?
5) Is anything said about Dry Bowser's character? It is still unclear whether he is his own distinct character or still just another form of Bowser.
Koopalmier (talk) 04:59, 18 August 2016 (EDT)
- I'm not Mister Wu himself, but I can confirm this about Kamek: Judging by the scan of the characters page from Super Mario 30th anniversary memorial book which is also used to confirm stuff here, Kamek's appearances are listed as SMW, SMG, NSMBW, SMG2, 3DL, NSMBU and 3DW. There's no separate box for "the" Kamek, which means no individual distinction at all. SMW listed there also matches with the Kamek trophy from SSB Wii U. SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 09:41, 7 September 2016 (EDT)
- Sorry for being late, before answering questions 1-3 I have to say that the stories in the Encyclopedia are pretty much the same of the manuals (with a special exception for Super Mario Bros. 3, likely introduced as an attempt at stating that the Koopalings were never directly stated to be Bowser's children, which is false, by the way). So, there they are:
- 1)SUPER MARIO BROS.
- ものがたり
- ※取扱説明書のものをそのまま龍しています。
- キノコ達の住む平和な王国に、ある日、強力な魔法を操る大ガメクッパの一族が侵略して来ました。おとなしいキノコ一族は、皆その魔力によって岩やレンガ、つくし等に姿を変えられてしまい、キノコ王国は亡びてしまったのです。
- このキノコ達の魔法を解き、よみがえらす事ができるのはキノコ王国のお姫様ピーチ姫だけ。彼女は今、大魔王クッパの手中にあります。
- マリオは、カメ一族を倒してピーチ姫を救出し、再び平和なキノコ王国を築くために立ち上がりました。
- テレビの中のマリオはあなたです。このアドベンチャークエスト(遠征)を完結できるのは、あなただけなのです。
- It pretty much states what you say, that the inhabitants of the Mushroom Kingdom were turned into bricks, rocks, horsetails, etc..
- 2)SUPER MARIO BROS.: THE LOST LEVELS
- ものがたり
- ※取扱説明書のものをそのまま掲載しています。
- キノコ達の住む平和な王国に、ある日、強力な魔法を操る大ガメクッパの一族が侵略して来ました。
- おとなしいキノコ一族は、皆その魔力によって岩やレンガ、つくし等に姿を変えられてしまい、キノコ王国は亡びてしまったのです。
- このキノコ達の魔法を解き、よみがえらす事ができるのはキノコ王国のお姫様ピーチ姫だけ。彼女は今、大魔王クッパの手中にあります。
- マリオは、カメ一族を倒してピーチ姫を救出し、再び平和なキノコ王国を築くために立ち上がりました。
- テレビの中のマリオはあなたです。このアドベンチャークエスト(遠征)を完結できるのは、あなただけなのです。
- No, it's not a joke or a transcription mistake, both the SMB and SMB: TLL stories are the same story! I don't know if it was a mistake of the writer of the Encyclopedia, but knowing how SMB: TLL was similar to SMB, I would be hardly surprised if the designers just recycled the same story even in the manuals.
- 3)SUPER MARIO GALAXY 2
- ものがたり
- ※取扱説明書のものをそのまま掲載しています。
- これは、もう一つの星くずの物語…
- 光かがやく星くずがキノコ王国の大地に降りそそぐ百年に一度の季節が巡ってきました。
- マリオへ
- 流れ星を見ながら
- ケーキでもいかがですか?
- お城で待っています。
- ピーチより
- ピーチより
- 流れ星を見ながら
- ピーチ姫からの招待に、胸を躍らせマリオが 星降る草原を走っていると草むらから、不思議な光がみえました。
- おそるおそる のぞき込むと…そこにいたのは、迷子の小さな星の子でした。
- すっかり懐いた 迷子の星の子 ベビイチコをつれお城へ たどり着いたマリオですが
- そこで、待っていたものは…
- I don't know if there are really references to SMG, at most the first sentence, that could be read like "this is another stardust story".
- 4)Well, there's hardly anything that can be said. In the Super Mario World Levels section, this is how Yoshi's Island is described:
- ヨースター島
- ヨッシーの家がある小島。左上にはかっば山がある。
- That 「ヨースター」 is clearly different from Yoshi's name, 「ヨッシー」. What about the name used in the Yoshi spin-off games? There is a section in the Encyclopedia...
- ヨッシー
- 『スーパーマリオワールド』で登場したヨッシーは、そのわずか1年後、1991年末に発売された『ヨッシーのたまご』で早くも主役となる。これ以降、『ヨッシーのクッキー』や『ヨッシーのパネポン』など、パズルゲームの主役を務めていく。そのほか、アクションゲームのシリーズでも活躍。マリオたちが赤ちゃんのころのお話である『スーパーマリオヨッシーアイランド』では、タマゴを投げて攻撃するアクションを披露。のちに、これはヨッシーの代表的なアクションとなった。
- Effectively, the name used, 「ヨッシーアイランド」, even when read sounds like Yoshi's Island. The Super Mario Memorial Book even has a box dedicated to the Yoshi's Island series (!):
- ベビィマリオが登場するスピンオフシリーズ
- 『ヨッシーアイランド』シリーズ』
- ヨッシーが赤ちゃん姿のベビィマリオを守りながら冒険を繰り広げる横スクロールアクション。敵の攻撃を受けるとベビィマリオが離れてしまい、急いで助けなければならないというドキドキのシステムが面白い。
- The name used, even as name for hte series, is again 「ヨッシーアイランド」. Is it the same place as 「ヨースター島」? Pretty much nothing is said, as you can see. And as you have seen, Kamek is definitely not mentioned either, so I'll just add to what SmokedChili said the actual description in the box:
- カメック
- カメ の 姿 を し た 魔法使い で 分厚い メガネ が 特徴初登場作 は 『 スーパー マ リオ ワールド』 。
- It's just the description of the Magikoopas.
- 5)Finally, somthing that was actually stated in the Encyclopedia! In the "And more" section of NSMB, we have this:
- ほねクリバ初見参!
- 炎の池に落ちたクッパは、骨になった姿のほねクツパとなって復活。本作以降でも、クッパとは異なる強敵として、マリオの前にたびたび立ちはだかることになる。『マリオカートWii』などでは、プレイヤーキャラクターとして活躍する。
- So, it's pretty much now confirmed that Dry Bowser is not Bowser in the later games! By the way, here's his bio from the Super Mario Memorial Book:
- ほねクッパ
- ガイコツ姿のクッパ。『マリオカートWii』や『マリオテニスオープン』などにも登場する。
- 登場作品
- NSM, 3DL
- NSMB2 is forgotten for some reason...
- By the way, I'm wondering, should I make a separate subpage for these kinds of question?--Mister Wu (talk) 14:15, 7 September 2016 (EDT)
- Hold on, I just noticed that all the story sections you posted have a following text:
- ※取扱説明書のものをそのまま龍しています。
- 20.) If I understand it right, it says that the stories were taken straight from the manual. But out of sheer interest, did SMB3 also have that sentence? SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 15:00, 7 September 2016 (EDT)
- Thank you for your reply! So, if I understand this properly, Dry Bowser was another form of Bowser at first then became a separate character (although both interpretations of the character seem to be used, as Dry Bowser is still Bowser in Mario Party 10 for instance). Koopalmier (talk) 18:53, 7 September 2016 (EDT)
- So it seems, if I'm reading it right, there's that 「異なる」 that could be interpreted in many ways, so we should first of all try to translate the whole part properly to understand if it could have another meaning (e.g.: different in the sense of curious, not in the sense of different from Bowser).--Mister Wu (talk) 19:04, 7 September 2016 (EDT)
- Hold on, I just noticed that all the story sections you posted have a following text:
- Sorry for being late, before answering questions 1-3 I have to say that the stories in the Encyclopedia are pretty much the same of the manuals (with a special exception for Super Mario Bros. 3, likely introduced as an attempt at stating that the Koopalings were never directly stated to be Bowser's children, which is false, by the way). So, there they are:
21.) In NSMBW there are three sizes of Goombas, which are from smallest to largest Goomba, Big Goomba and Mega Goomba. However, does the Encyclopedia make a distinction between the latter two, or are both labeled as the same enemy? SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 08:33, 12 September 2016 (EDT)
- 21)All three types of Goombas are mentioned:
- クリボー
- まっすぐ歩いてくる。BGMに合わせて小さく跳ねる。
- こでかクリボー
- 少し大きなクリボー。踏むと2体のクリボーに分裂する。
- でかクリボー
- 踏むと2体のこでかクリボーに、ヒップドロップで4体のクリボーに分裂する。
- So Big Goomba and Mega Goomba are considered different enemies in the Encycloepdia.--Mister Wu (talk) 20:42, 12 September 2016 (EDT)
Gotta be honest, using the words こ and でか together sounds like an oxymoron.
22.) Regarding Bowser's Castle, is it written as クッパ城 in SMB3 section or something else like クッパのしろ? SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 06:05, 23 September 2016 (EDT)
- 22)More like the first term. This is the description of the Dark Land:
- 暗黒の国
- 大魔王クッパが寺ち受ける国。戦車や戦艦が押し寄せる。
- But the final level has this name and description:
- W8-クッパの城
- クッパ石像が妨害する最終コース。クッパの部屋へは2とおりの方法で進める。
- So in the end, it's the first term you mentioned with an added 「の」.--Mister Wu (talk) 13:35, 24 September 2016 (EDT)
Well, I did ask how it's written, but I believe it's actually the second option but with the kanji for "castle". You see, usually 城 is read as しろ "shiro" which is the Japanese reading kun-yomi, but when it's used as a suffix in place names, the on-yomi (Chinese) reading じょう "jō" is used. So ultimately, クッパの城 is read as "Kuppa no shiro", while クッパ城 is read as "Kuppa-Jō".
23.) This in turn gives me an idea for hypothesis that クッパ城 "Kuppa-Jō" is the modern Japanese term for Bowser's Castle. What does the book say about it in the other games? SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 14:35, 24 September 2016 (EDT)
- 23)Both terms can be seen, at least until Super Mario 3D Land. But let's look at the various cases:
- SUPER MARIO BROS.
- W8-4
- クッパの待つ最後の城。正しい土管に入らないと先へ進めない。
- SUPER MARIO BROS.: THE LOST LEVELS
- W8-4
- いくつかの部屋に分かれており、土管に入りながら進む。
- SUPER MARIO WORLD
- クッパの城
- 前半と後半で4つずつ部屋があり、1つの部屋を選んで進む。
- NEW SUPER MARIO BROS.
- W8-
- 180度回転する不思議な部屋の謎を解き、クッパの部屋を目指す。
- NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. WII
- W8-
- クッパの待つ城。溶岩の上をほねリフトで渡っていく。
- SUPER MARIO GALAXY 2
- クッパの新銀河帝国
- クッパの待ち受ける大帝国。宇宙の運命をかけた戦いが待ち受ける。
- SUPER MARIO 3D LAND
- WORLD8
- クッパ城は目前。コース数がもっとも多いワールド。
- W8-1
- クッパの城に潜入。溶岩に囲まれた狭い足場に、複数の敵が待ち受ける。
- W8-2
- リフトに乗って仕掛けを避けながら、クッパの待ち受ける本拠地へ。
- NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. 2
- W6-
- クッパとラストバトル。クッパ七人衆も最後の抵抗をしてくる。
- W
-
- ほねクッパが待ち受ける最難関の城。クッパ七人衆も再び登場。
- SUPER MARIO 3D WORLD
- WORLD 1
対決!- クッパのハイウェイ城
- クッパの待つ大橋の戦場。じゃまな仕掛けや敵はキックボムで応戦。
- WORLD
- 大きな城がそびえるワールド。最後のようせい姫が囚われている。
- 激突!
- クッパの溶岩城
- 溶岩だらけの城で待ちかまえるクッパとの再戦。
- 「クッパ城」 is indeed seen in the description of World 8 in Super Mario 3D Land, but there are also more complex cases, like in SM3DW in which different forms, 「クッパの溶岩城」 and 「クッパのハイウェイ城」, can be found.--Mister Wu (talk) 23:11, 24 September 2016 (EDT)
24.) What names does the book give for the different Pokeys in Mario Galaxy? SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 06:37, 29 September 2016 (EDT)
- 24)They indeed have peculiar names:
- ココサンボ
- 近づくと体を倒して攻撃してくる。攻撃手段はココナッツをぶつけること。
- サンボヘッド
- 近づくと地面から出現し、跳ねながら近づいてくるサンボの頭。
- だるまサンボ
- 赤いサンボ。スピン攻撃をすると、体が1つずつ飛んでいく。
- Pretty odd to see that 「だるま」, while the 「ココ」 is understandable due to how they must be defeated.--Mister Wu (talk) 20:36, 29 September 2016 (EDT)
25.) What name does Snufit from SM64 have in the book?
26.) Are the Fishbones seen in Kingfin battle in SMG called "Fishbone" in the book?
--SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 07:56, 18 October 2016 (EDT)
- 25)The Snufit are called 「ムーチョ」:
- ムーチョ
- 宙を飛びながら、マリオに向かって連続で球を発射してくる。
- And if you were wondering, yes, that's the same name used for the Snifits of the "Enemies" section of Super Mario Bros. USA, although in that section they also append the colors of the Snifits to such name.
- 26)Their name is actually 「コボーネ」:
- コボーネ
- キングボーネの周囲を泳ぐ魚。マリオに向かってきて爆発する。
- So they are more like Little Bones.--Mister Wu (talk) 23:08, 18 October 2016 (EDT)
27.) What are the Japanese names of Mario Sunshine enemies Soarin' Stu and Swipin' Stu? --SmokedChili (talk) 08:04, 11 December 2016 (EST)
- 27)They are both considered two colored variants (blue and green, respectively) of the same enemy, 「ハネクリン」:
- ハネクリン(青)
- マリオの頭上に飛んできて急降下する。左右に飛んでいるタイプも。
- ハネクリン(緑)
- 飛んでいて、近づくと急降下してくる。当たると帽子を奪われる。
- I wonder if 「ハネ」 means honey, as a way to state that these Stus are like insects.--Mister Wu (talk) 19:26, 11 December 2016 (EST)
- I checked, and it's actually from 翅, meaning "(insect) wings", so they are in a way like insects. Honey would be ハニー. --SmokedChili (talk) 08:12, 12 December 2016 (EST)
28.) In SMB3, what is the name of blue coins that appear when a P-Switch is hit? --SmokedChili (talk) 12:54, 17 December 2016 (EST)
- 28)They are more or less known as Hidden Coins, 「隠しコイン」:
- 隠しコイン
- 青色のコイン。スイッチブロックを踏むとー定時問出現する。
- 「スイッチブロック」 is the name of the P-Switch in the SMB3 part of the Encyclopedia.--Mister Wu (talk) 22:48, 17 December 2016 (EST)
29.) What about the silver P-Switches and the silver Coins create in SMW?
30.) Do all of the Bullet Bill varieties in Sunshine (Missle, Gold, Blue) have their own names?
--SmokedChili (talk) 07:39, 31 December 2016 (EST)
- 29)Well, the Encyclopedia pretty much states what they do, the Silver Coins are furthermore referred to as such instead of using the classical name followed by the color used in many other cases (including the silver P-Switch one):
- スイッチブロック(銀色)
- 踏むと敵をシルバーコインに変える。
- シルバーコイン
- スイッチブロック(銀色)で変化した敵。連続で取ると1UPする。
- 30)Yes, all the varieties of Bullet Bills are mentioned, as usual, their color is mentioned after the name:
- キラー
- 砲台から発射され、マリオに向かって飛んでくる。
- キラー(青)
- 倒すと水が補給され、1UPキノコが出現する。
- キラー(金色)
- ときどき発射される珍しいキラー。倒すとコインが8枚出る。
- キラー(紫)
- 砲台から発射され、マリオを追いかけて飛んでくる。
- The Missile Bills are referred to as Purple Bullet Bills, using a name which is different from the 「サーチキラー」 name used in the New Super Mario Bros. Wii enemies section.--Mister Wu (talk) 09:04, 31 December 2016 (EST)
Considering that Bullet Bills have had homing abilities in 3D games, the Missile Bills in Sunshine could be argued to be actually color-swapped Bullet Bills. Thus I think Bull's-Eye Bill is separate from Missile Bill and really originated in NSMBWii.
A little note: I fixed the question numbers starting with the 24th question. Please apply these fixes for your answers as well to avoid confusion.
31.) Do Lemmy and Wendy's dummies in their SMW battles have their own entries?
--SmokedChili (talk) 13:21, 15 January 2017 (EST)
- 31)No, they don't, here are the descriptions of Wendy and Lemmy from Super Mario World that I already previosuly transcribed:
- レミー
- バニラドームのボス。ダミー人形とともに土管から顔を出す。
- ウェンディ
- チョコレー島のボス。レミーと同じだが、部屋のバブルが増えている。
- I also corrected the numbers, thanks for pointing that.--Mister Wu (talk) 14:02, 15 January 2017 (EST)
32.) In that recently made article for blue Bowser as well as Fake Bowser article, it's stated that blue Bowser in WD-4 in SMB:TLL is a fake. However, in the light of Encyclopedia 2015 saying that it's blue Bowser in that level, is there anything that says Bowser himself is also faced there? --SmokedChili (talk) 15:16, 22 April 2017 (EDT)
- 32)The article states that it's a fake based on a playthrough that defeats the Blue Bowser of World D-4 with fireballs, so far I couldn't find any official source that stated that - although the differences with the real Blue Bowser are clear, in that he doesn't attack with hammers and he is revealed to be a Spiny when defeated with fireballs. Anyway the description of World D-4 effectively mentions Bowser:
- WD-4
- 城から始まり、地上や地下を通ってクッパとの最終決戦へ。
- So, the last fight of World D-4 should be with Bowser, according to the Encyclopedia.--Mister Wu (talk) 22:38, 22 April 2017 (EDT)
- I found a video of World D-4 where Bowser is defeated with fireballs. It's a Spiny-based fake. Thus the Encyclopedia contradicts the FCD version of the game twice. SmokedChili (talk) 03:49, 23 April 2017 (EDT)
33.) Is there anything about the green Spiny Eggs in SMB3? --SmokedChili (talk) 09:00, 27 April 2017 (EDT)
- 33)Yes, there is, in the enemy section:
- パイポ(緑)
- トゲゾーが投げてくる緑色のトゲの玉。着地してもパイポのまま転がる。
- Basically it says that they are thrown by Lakitu and what they do.--Mister Wu (talk) 16:07, 27 April 2017 (EDT)
34.) What are the Hand Trap levels from SMB3 called? --SmokedChili (talk) 11:45, 13 May 2017 (EDT)
- 34)Sorry for being late, they are known as 「W8-ハンドトラップ1」, 「W8-ハンドトラップ2」, and 「W8-ハンドトラップ3」, so it's basically the Japanese transcription of the English terms. By the way, sorry if I don't include the full descriptions, but I'm a bit in a hurry, if you want them, just ask.--Mister Wu (talk) 12:22, 15 May 2017 (EDT)
35.) Does the book make a mention of Satellaview exclusive games like BS Super Mario Collection? SmokedChili (talk) 07:14, 4 July 2017 (EDT)
- 35)I tried looking for them, but they don't seem to be covered by the Encyclopedia.--Mister Wu (talk) 09:06, 4 July 2017 (EDT)
36.) Do Mega Mole and 3DL Morty Mole have the same Japanese name? --SmokedChili (talk) 04:01, 20 July 2017 (EDT)
- 36)If I looked at the correct enemies, they don't:
- SUPER MARIO WORLD
- インディー
- 大きな体で前進してくるモグラ。頭に乗ることができ移動手段に使える。
- SUPER MARIO 3D LAND
- ゴロプー
- 狭い通路を行き来する。攻撃すると体が縮み、移動速度が上がる。
- Indeed, it doesn't surpise me that the English names are different as well.--Mister Wu (talk) 20:48, 22 July 2017 (EDT)
37.) I just found out that Japanese Wikipedia says the bats in SMG and SMG2 are not Swoops, but the SMPRG enemy Enigma going by the Japanese name. Do the Encyclopedia and the memorial book both support this statement? SmokedChili (talk) 05:51, 29 July 2017 (EDT)
- 37)Well, indeed the Japanese name is the same of Enigmas, 「バットン」:
- Encycloepdia Super Mario Bros.
- SUPER MARIO GALAXY
- アイスバットン
- 冷気をまとったバットン。触れると凍ってしまう。
- バットン
- マリオを見つけると、「キーッ」と鳴きながら急降下してくる。
- SUPER MARIO GALAXY 2
- バットン
- マリオを見つけると接近し、鳴き声を発しながら体当たりしてくる。
- Super Mario Pia
- バットン
- 姿はコウモリのようで、鼻は豚に似ているモンスター。氷をまとったアイスバットンもいる。
- 登場作品 SMG,SMG2
- Since the pig-like nose is also acknowledged in the Super Mario Pia, we have some evidence that they indeed are Enigmas, which would be quite surprising considering that Square Enix was supposed to own the rights of said characters.--Mister Wu (talk) 18:55, 1 August 2017 (EDT)
38. (I think) What are the names of the Skeeter (SM64 and SMG2) and Pondskater (SMS), and should they be re-merged based off of it and the "Killer/Killer (Purple)/Search Killer" situation? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 05:22, 16 September 2017 (EDT)
39. On an earlier question, you replied "No it doesn't" to "Is Ice Piranha Plant's name Ice Pakkun?" Does this mean that it's different, or that it's not listed? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 05:26, 16 September 2017 (EDT)
- 38)As far as the Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros. is concerned, Skeeters and Pondskaters all have the same name, 「メンボ」:
- SUPER MARIO 64
- メンボ
- 水上を滑るように移動している。地上では歩き回る。
- SUPER MARIO SUNSHINE
- メンボ
- 水面を移動し、体当たりをしてくる。水をかけると動きが止まる。
- SUPER MARIO GALAXY 2
- メンボ
- 水面を滑るように移動している。近づくと突進してくる。
- Regarding remerging, if you have other reasons to do so, this might effectively give support to said action.
- 39)The "No it doesn't" is referred to another question, the 6), if you read the answer to question number 7), you'll see that the name is indeed 「アイスパックン」. I wonder if I should create a subsection for each question so it's also easier to see the topics which were dealt with, although this would require me some time.--Mister Wu (talk) 06:20, 16 September 2017 (EDT)
40.) Could you check if any of the regular enemies that appear in Super Mario Sunshine are named separately from their regular counterparts? I'm specifically interested in the Bob-ombs, the Pokeys and Pokey Heads, the Monty Moles, and the Cheep Cheeps.
41.) For completion's sake, are the Cheep Cheep (bird) and the Lava Cheep Cheep in the guide? Hello, I'm Time Turner. 14:29, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
- 40)All the enemies you named have the very same exact name as their regular counterparts. The most intriguing thing I found, though, is that their different appearance has a reason: they are derived from the graffiti of Bowser Jr., and that includes the Yoshis living in Isle Delfino. This is why water defeates them! I'll try to have the proper translation to include this piece of trivia in the main page of the game.
- 41)Sadly, I only found the description of the Trap, not of the bird that comes out of it:
- トラップ
- 特定の場所で突然出現し、マリオを遠くまで弾き飛ばす。
- I think we would need the Nintendo Official Guidebook of Super Mario Sunshine to know the official name of the bird.
- The Lava Cheep Cheep on the other hand is indeed covered:
- フアイアプクプク
- 溶岩から飛び出してくる、炎をまとったプクプク。放水で倒せる。
- It's actually a Fire Cheep Cheep.--Mister Wu (talk) 18:03, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
- Interesting. The "trap" may actually refer to a punching glove (which the Prima guide calls a "Puncher"), though it's functionally the same as the Cheep Cheep. Besides Prima, none of the English guides refer to either one by anything other than generic nouns, and it's only ever in passing. One point of clarification, if you don't mind: are Pokeys and Pokey Heads listed separately? Hello, I'm Time Turner. 18:18, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
- 42) Building off of this.....the big issue itself.....Klamber. Also, the Scuttlebugs listed for Super Mario 64, New Super Mario Bros., Super Mario Galaxy (both types), Super Mario Galaxy 2 (both types), and New Super Mario Bros. 2. I'd like to see how they are the same and different from each other. And if you would be so kind, provide romanizations so I can figure out which part is the name easier. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:04, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
- 42)Here are the Encyclopedia's bios:
- SUPER MARIO 64
- ガサゴソ Gasagoso
- 洞窟内を歩いており、マリオを見つけると近づいてくる。 Dōkutsu-nai o aruiteori, Mario o mitsukeru to chikadzuitekuru.
- SUPER MARIO SUNSHINE
- カサカサ Kasakasa
- 網や壁を移動している。裏側から攻撃すると倒せる。 Ami ya kabe o idōshiteiru. Ura gawakara kōgekisuru to taoseru.
- NEW SUPER MARIO BROS.
- ガサゴソ Gasagoso
- 上空から現れ、糸でぶら下がっている。地面に降りてくるタイプも。 Jōkū kara araware,-ito de burasagatteiru. Jimen ni oritekuru taipu mo.
- SUPER MARIO GALAXY
- String
- ツリグモ Tsurigumo
- 糸でぶら下がっているクモ。体を揺らして攻撃してくる。 Ito de burasagatteiru kumo. Karada o yurashite kōgekishitekuru.
- Jump
- バネグモ Banegumo
- 同じ場所で跳ね続けている。攻撃をしてくることはない。 Onaji basho de hanetsudzuketeiru. Kōgeki o shitekuru koto wa nai.
- SUPER MARIO GALAXY 2
- String
- ツリグモ Tsurigumo
- 糸からぶら下がって揺れている。スピン攻撃を受けると気絶する。 Ito kara burasagatte yureteiru. Supin kōgeki o ukeru to kizetsusuru.
- Jump
- バネグモ Banegumo
- 同じ場所を跳ね続けるクモ。攻撃はしてこない。 Onaji basho o hanetsudzukeru kumo. Kōgeki wa shitekonai.
- NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. 2
- ガサゴソ Gasagoso
- 上部から現れ、糸に吊るされて上下に動いている。 Jōbu kara araware,-ito ni tsurusarete jōge ni ugoiteiru.
- Indeed, Klamber is its own thing. Also, the spiders in the Super Mario Galaxy games are their own thing too, and this time the internal names finally agree, I actually took "String" and "Jump" from said names. For the sake of completeness, the Super Mario Pia also lists Scuttlebugs as only being in Super Mario 64, New Super Mario Bros. and New Super Mario Bros. 2, while among the spiders of the Super Mario Galaxy games only the "Jump" variant is listed, and the games where they are featured in are Super Mario Galaxy and Super Mario Galaxy 2. The names are the same seen in the Encyclopedia, 「ガサゴソ」 for Scuttlebugs and 「バネグモ」 for the "Jump" spiders. By the way, Google Translate offers romanization of Japanese text, so you can go with it if you need it (I actually used it to romanize the Japanese text here, while the spaces are based on Jisho's word separation).--Mister Wu (talk) 20:33, 3 October 2017 (EDT)
- 42)Here are the Encyclopedia's bios:
43) Does the book cover NPCs as well? If so, I'd appreciate if you could look up several of Super Mario Sunshine's NPCs: Cannon Pianta, Chomp Keeper, Hotel Manager, Noki Elder, Noki Elder's Grandson, Pianta Village mayor, and Pinna Park director. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 21:31, 5 October 2017 (EDT)
- 43)The NPCs are indeed covered, however the section about them is missing the Cannon Pianta and the Chomp Keeper:
- HOTEL MANAGER
- ホテルの支配人
- ホテル·デルフィーノの支配人。マリオによく頼みごとをしてくる。
- NOKI ELDER
- 長老
- 「マーレのいりえ」にいる、釣りが趣味の老人。
- NOKI ELDER'S GRANDSON
- 長老の弟子
- 弟子であり孫。実は妻子持ち。
- PIANTA VILLAGE MAYOR
- モンテ村の村長
- 「モンテのむら」の村長。村のトラブルに頭を抱えている。
- PINNA PARK DIRECTOR
- ピンナパークの園長
- マリオのことを「ヒーローやくのひと」と呼んでいる。
- The descriptions are pretty concise as usual, but at least we got the conjectural names pretty much right.--Mister Wu (talk) 21:07, 7 October 2017 (EDT)
- Great! Could you also provide a page number? I'll use it for citing the names. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 21:18, 7 October 2017 (EDT)
- The page number is 101.--Mister Wu (talk) 23:15, 7 October 2017 (EDT)
- Thank you! As an aside, shouldn't the articles that currently use the Japanese names (namely Pianta Village mayor and Pinna Park director) be moved to the romanizations rather than their English translations? Hello, I'm Time Turner. 23:26, 7 October 2017 (EDT)
- You're welcome! I haven't been enforcing this rule recently, but if you want to you can definitely do so, the policy is still the same.--Mister Wu (talk) 23:34, 7 October 2017 (EDT)
- I'd say that since the names are basically [job name], it'd just be detrimental to do so here. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:37, 7 October 2017 (EDT)
- You're welcome! I haven't been enforcing this rule recently, but if you want to you can definitely do so, the policy is still the same.--Mister Wu (talk) 23:34, 7 October 2017 (EDT)
- Thank you! As an aside, shouldn't the articles that currently use the Japanese names (namely Pianta Village mayor and Pinna Park director) be moved to the romanizations rather than their English translations? Hello, I'm Time Turner. 23:26, 7 October 2017 (EDT)
- The page number is 101.--Mister Wu (talk) 23:15, 7 October 2017 (EDT)
- Great! Could you also provide a page number? I'll use it for citing the names. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 21:18, 7 October 2017 (EDT)
44) Do the various Boo behavioral variants (Circling Boo Buddies, Boo Buddy Snake, Boo Buddy Block, Boo Buddy Swarm, Disappearing Boo Buddies) from Super Mario World have different names, or are they listed as the same, like Bull's-Eye Bill was at the time? And what of the Orange/Pink Boos from Super Mario Sunshine, which is currently stated to be named "Block Teresa" in Japanese, yet listed under "Red Boo" instead of Boo Block? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:17, 7 October 2017 (EDT)
- 44)Well, they are pretty much all grouped as Boos:
- テレサ
- 背中を向けると追いかけてくる。輪になっているタイプ、跳ね回るタイプもいる。
- The only exception is the Boo Block:
- ブロックテレサ
- 顔を合わせるとブロックになり、背中を向けると追いかけてくる。
- Imcidentally, the pink Boos of Super Mario Sunshine have the very same name:
- ブロックテレサ
- ピンク色のテレサ。水をかけると、しばらくの間ブロックになる。
- I wonder if it's just due to both of them transfroming into blocks, though.--Mister Wu (talk) 23:15, 7 October 2017 (EDT)
45.) Do the Green Coins in NSMBU and SM3DW have the same Japanese name in both games? SmokedChili (talk) 09:37, 28 October 2017 (EDT)
- 45)Effectively, they don't:
- NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. U
- 緑コイン
- 3枚1セットで出現。5セット取るとアイテムがもらえる。
- SUPER MARIO 3D WORLD
- グリーンスターコイン
- 集めるとグリーンスターが出現する。
- In this case they wanted to stress that the green coins in Super Mario 3D World lead to getting a Green Star.--Mister Wu (talk) 21:52, 29 October 2017 (EDT)
46.) On the subject of enemy Stands, is Obake Stand named like that in the Encyclopedia? SmokedChili (talk) 12:07, 8 January 2018 (EST)
- 46)Obake Stand is indeed the correct name:
- おばけスタンド
- 近づくと襲いかかってくるスタンド。おばけ屋敷に現れる。
- It is listed among the objects, just like the fake Lemmy and Wendy of Super Mario World.--Mister Wu (talk) 11:25, 11 January 2018 (EST)
47.) In New Super Mario Bros., is a mid-boss level "Tower" or "Fortress"? --SmokedChili (talk) 09:44, 9 May 2018 (EDT)
- 47) Sorry, I had forgotten to reply. From what I've seen, neither term is used in the encyclopedia, the levels are rather referred to using the in-game symbols, in the case of New Super Mario Bros. the symbol is
.--Mister Wu (talk) 22:02, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
- Did you also check stuff like Bowser Jr's entry to fully confirm this? SmokedChili (talk) 09:40, 19 May 2018 (EDT)
48.) What's Coin Express from 3D World identified as? SmokedChili (talk) 07:37, 20 May 2018 (EDT)
- 48)Coin Express is the Japanese name of the level as well:
- コインエクスプレス
- 黄金の列車のボーナスステージ。コインをたくさん積んでいる。
- The Coin Express is further described as the bonus stage of the golden train (「黄金の列車のボーナスステージ」), so it can be used as name of the page, the encyclopedia actually uses World 5-? as stage id.--Mister Wu (talk) 17:57, 20 May 2018 (EDT)
49.) What's the name given to Twin Bridges area from SMW? SmokedChili (talk) 04:50, 5 July 2018 (EDT)
- 49)Well, the name is just Twin Bridges:
- ツインブリッジ&せんべい山
- 2つの橋がかけられており、どちらかを進むことになる。
- They effectively used the English terms written in Katakana there.--Mister Wu (talk) 19:50, 5 July 2018 (EDT)
Various names
Hi. Could you transcribe the Japanese names in the Encyclopedia for these?:
NSMB
- Blockhopper
- Skeeter
- Squiggler
- All objects
--Hiccup (talk) 10:59, 20 July 2017 (EDT)
- Hi, here is the transcription:
- Blockhopper
- ブロックン
- Skeeter
- ボムメンボ
- Squiggler
- わかばちゃん
- All the objects
- 青コイン
- 赤コイン
- 赤リング
- 石ブロック
- 一方通行ゲート
- 移動するキノコ
- 移動ポール
- 動く壁
- 渦
- うんていロープ
- おじゃま泡
- 落ちる丸太
- おばけリフト
- おばけ階段
- 回転金網
- 回転キラー砲台
- 回転ぶた
- 回転ブロック
- カギ
- 隠しゴールポール
- 隠しブロック
- 崖
- 火山弾
- 傾くキノコ
- 金網
- 壁キックリフト
- 巨大キノコ
- 巨大トゲ鉄球
- キラー砲台
- グラグラ岩
- グラグラ床
- グルグル
- コイン
- こうら
- ゴールポール
- 左右に伸びるキノコ
- シーソーリフト
- ジャンプ台
- 上下に伸びるキノコ
- 水車リフト
- スーパーキノコ
- スーパースター
- スターコイン
- スネークブロック
- スピンブロック
- ゼリー床
- 線リフト
- ターンリフト
- 大回転金網
- 大回転リフト
- 大砲土管
- 竜巻
- タル
- ちくわブロック
- つるブロック
- 10コインブロック
- 点線ブロック
- てんびんリフト
- 透明コイン
- 土管
- 土管水流
- 毒沼
- ドクロスイッチ
- トゲ
- トゲハテナブロック
- トゲ鉄球
- トゲ棍棒
- 飛び出す地面
- トランポリンキノコ
- 波打つ床
- 伸び縮みブロック
- 伸びる足場
- バーナー
- パタブロック
- ハテナスイッチ
- ハテナブロック
- バランスリフト
- 跳ね橋
- Pスイッチ
- ビックリスイッチ
- 紐つきハテナブロック
- ファイアバー
- ファイアフラワー
- 蓋付き土管
- ぶらさがりツタ
- ぶらさがりロープ
- ブランコリフト
- ベルトコンベア
- ポール
- マグナムキラー砲台
- マツプパタブロック
- マメキノコ
- マメ土管
- マリオブラザーズ床
- 丸太
- めじるし指
- 雪の枝
- 雪の床
- 揺れるキノコ
- 溶岩
- リフト
- リフトスイッチ
- 流砂
- ルーレットブロック
- レンガブロック
- ロープ
- 1UPキノコ
- I hope this transcription will be useful for you.--Mister Wu (talk) 20:48, 22 July 2017 (EDT)
- Thanks. I've added Japanese name details to Blockhopper, Squiggler, Manhole, Key, Hidden Block, Volcanic Debris, Spiked Ball, Spinner, Springboard, Track (object), Pipe Cannon, Tweester, Dotted Line Block, Scale and Hidden Coin. --Hiccup (talk) 10:42, 23 July 2017 (EDT)
- You're welcome, sorry for taking a year, I just didn't understand what I had to do.--Mister Wu (talk) 16:16, 23 July 2017 (EDT)
- No, it's fine. I did ask for translations before, I just realized I didn't need them now. Btw, is there any concept art or prerelease screenshots in this book (or similar ones that you own)? --Hiccup (talk) 07:35, 24 July 2017 (EDT)
- Concept art and pre-release material isn't really covered by the Encyclopedia, only the Shogakukan Super Mario Collection official Nintendo guidebook had four concept art images, the book on the career of Yoichi Kotabe should have some sketches, but I have yet to order it.--Mister Wu (talk) 12:40, 24 July 2017 (EDT)
- No, it's fine. I did ask for translations before, I just realized I didn't need them now. Btw, is there any concept art or prerelease screenshots in this book (or similar ones that you own)? --Hiccup (talk) 07:35, 24 July 2017 (EDT)
- You're welcome, sorry for taking a year, I just didn't understand what I had to do.--Mister Wu (talk) 16:16, 23 July 2017 (EDT)
- Thanks. I've added Japanese name details to Blockhopper, Squiggler, Manhole, Key, Hidden Block, Volcanic Debris, Spiked Ball, Spinner, Springboard, Track (object), Pipe Cannon, Tweester, Dotted Line Block, Scale and Hidden Coin. --Hiccup (talk) 10:42, 23 July 2017 (EDT)
Super Mario Pia
Thinking about it after the fact, I may have assumed too much and been unfair toward Super Mario Pia. I'd like to give it a fair shake, especially after learning that it indeed properly acknowledged that the Sledge Bros. Japanese name was changed; at the same time, I believe it's best to be cautious and avoid a repeat of the Hyrule Encyclopedia debacle (which -is- one of several recent officially approved Japanese books, but the caveat is that the licensors openly admitted they flat-out filled in the blanks left by Nintendo with their original theories, which explained some really sketchy content). I want to know how it categorizes the subjects that Perfect Ban Mario Character Daijiten considered separate, specifically: Sidestepper/Crab, Fighter Fly, Lady/Pauline, B Fly/Bē, Panser/Volcano Lotus, Blurp/Bukubuku, Spark(y) and Bob-omb. Additionally, does it clarify that the Galaxy Mechakoopas and the giant/big enemy variants went through name changes, or are they listed as distinct from each other? Ditto if Snufit from Super Mario 64 is considered an appearance of Snifit. LinkTheLefty (talk) 09:48, 6 October 2017 (EDT)
- Don't worry about that case, that was very difficult to deal with and we still have limited knowledge of the content of these books. Unfortunately, the book only covers the Super Mario series and doesn't even cover every enemy in it. The enemies of the Battle Mode of Super Mario Bros. 3 aren't even mentioned in the Enemies section of the Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros., so we cannot expect them to be present in the Super Mario Pia either.
- I'll leave you the description to more porperly understand the content of the section:
- スーパーマリオシリーズ
- キャラクター名鑑
- マリオの冒険を助ける仲間や、立ちはだかる敵たち。シリーズ作品に登場した名キャラクターをゲーム登場時のビジュアルで紹介だ!
- With that being said, a few cases were indeed there, and you can see how the authors of the book are pretty keen on merging:
- BLURP
- ブクブク
- ゴーグルをかけたプクプクの仲間。『スーパーマリオワールド』で初めて登場した。
- 登場作品 SMW,SML2
- Well, it only covers its appearances on the Super Mario series, so we don't have new info on this.
- BOB-OMB
- ボムへい
- ゼンマイじかけで動く爆弾のような敵。『スーパ-マリオ64』以降、すべての作品に登場。
- 登場作品 SM3,SMW,USA,SM64,SMS,NSM,SMG,NSMW,SMG2,3DL,NSM2,NSMU,3DW
- Finally! The Bob of SMB2 is acknowledged as being a Bob-omb, this case has been merged as it should have been.
- MECHAKOOPA
- メカクッパ
- 巨大なロボやゼンマイじかけの小型のロボなど、登場作によって性能や外見が異なる。
- 登場作品 SMW,SMS,SMG,NSMW,SMG2,NSMU
- If you feared this book wouldn't merge enough, here you can see how it simply puts everything together, even the Super Mario Sunshine machine known as 「メカクッパ」, outright stating in the description that this is an intentional grouping and not a slight mistake in the list of games! Still, the presence of Super Mario Galaxy 2 tells us that the name change is taken into account.
- SNIFIT
- ムーチョ
- ガスマスクのようなお面を着けたヘイホーとよく似たキャラクター。口から弾丸を発射する。
- 登場作品 USA,SM64
- At this point, it was clear that the 「ムーチョ」 of Super Mario 64 would have been considered together with the Snifit, and indeed it is.
- Actually, the book is so bold in the merging that even makes this surprising statement about King Boo of Super Mario Sunshine:
- ボステレサ
- ボスとして登場する巨大テレサ。『スーパーマリオサンシャイン』では大きなベロを出している。
- 登場作品 S64,SMS
- The picture is that of the Big Boo of Super Mario 64, of course. What is interesting, though, is that an explanation recently found in the Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros. might even make this claim more believable - essentially, King Boo might just be the Big Boo of Super Mario 64 changed due to him coming from the scribbling of Bowser Jr..--Mister Wu (talk) 23:15, 7 October 2017 (EDT)
Huh, that's interesting about Bob-omb since English sources have consistently told us they debuted in Super Mario Bros. 2 despite the Japanese name change, so that aligns with what I thought about Perfect Ban Mario Character Daijiten being rather flimsy about name changes in general. Mechakoopa in Super Mario Sunshine is somewhat odd, but the wiki already classifies Mecha-Bowser as a notable type of Mechakoopa, so it still sort of works out that way. Snifit in Super Mario 64 presents a bit of a problem, but I think I know what happened there - in Super Mario 64 DS, the enemy was revised to more closely resemble Boo Guy / Yūrei Heihō and went by the name Yūrei Mūcho in Japanese guides, so either this correction simply went overlooked since the book authors just didn't use Super Mario 64 DS as reference material, or the enemy was intended to be a replacement rather than a redesign à la Kuromame & Keronpa. It's a shame that the Mario Bros. enemies don't appear to be in it, but since their Brawl / Wii U trophies also consider them to be in Super Mario Advance and mentions the alternate names, it should be safe to assume their SMB3 / All-Stars counterparts are now still the same as well. That last part which could affect the "King Boo (Super Mario Sunshine)" page definitely warrants further discussion.
I have a couple more questions about the book's content after looking through its copyright credits, if you don't mind.
- Does the book call the basic Fly from Super Mario Land a Fighter Fly like the wiki currently does?
- On cameos... Since Mario Kart DS is mentioned, does it say whether the big Cheep Cheep on Banshee Boardwalk is a Boss Bass or Cheep Chomp? Similarly, for Mario Golf 64, does it say whether the Cheep Cheep that makes a cameo supposed to be a Red Blurp or is it just a normal one in its Yoshi's Story design?
- Since Super Mario Advance 3 / Yoshi's Island is apparently covered, does the book mention that Ukiki/Ukkii used to be known as Grinder/Osarusan as was made evident in New Island, Woolly World and some of the later spinoffs, or does it treat them differently as they appeared to be in earlier material? (If the latter, this goes along with my idea that there is a coverage gap involving games they didn't reference.) I'd also like to know how if it treats Needlenose & Spiked Fun Guy as one and the same, and if so, if they're grouped together with the main Pokeys.
- Any word on Boomerang Bros. from Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga being their own entity back then, or is this only a recent decision for the 3DS version?
- Is the Spiny Fish from Yoshi's Story deemed a Spiny Cheep Cheep? Same for reconfirming if it's in Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins.
- Does the book state which games Missile Bill/Bull's-Eye Bill are in, and are they even considered the same thing (as the former seems mostly known for U-turning and the latter for homing)?
- Is Paper Mario (& co.) from Paper Jam his own character as in the wiki's current position, or does it state the obvious and classify him and his "paper world" as solely from the Paper Mario series and thus distinguished from everything else?
- Any comparisons drawn between subjects that had the same name in Super Mario RPG and Paper Mario (for example, the Chancellor/Toad Minister and Star Hill/Shooting Star Summit)?
- Do you know why the last reference on page 98 is Kirby and the Rainbow Curse?
- Finally, 1984's Golf is listed in the book's credits - what does it have to say about the game's golfer? Is it Mario or Ossan, or is it inconclusive?
Sorry if it's a lot to take in at once, but I figured I would go ahead and ask all the remaining questions that immediately came to mind, and maybe we'll see if we can take it from there. Please take your time if need be. LinkTheLefty (talk) 16:22, 9 October 2017 (EDT)
- First of all, I must point out that the section about the characters only covers the Super Mario series and not even all its characters, so at this point I'll be able to answer only a few question:
- The basic fly is not covered by that section
- Same for Ukiki, sadly
- Spiny Cheep Cheeps are covered, and surprisngly Super Mario Land 2: Six Golden Coins is not mentioned among the games they are in:
- トゲプク
- 背中にトゲが生えたハリセンボンのようなプクプク。通常のプクプクよりも少し動きが速い。
- 登場作品SM3,NSMW,SMG2,NSM2,NSMU
- That's pretty odd, although the description wouldn't probably have matched the Spiked Cheep Cheeps of Super Mario Land 2: Six Golden Coins.
- Bull's Eye Bills are covered (while the U-turn capability of Bullet Bills is not mentioned in the Super Mario Pia, so Missile Bills are not covered, as even in the Encyclopedia they are both described in the same entry, see above for more information) and they are not stated to be in Super Mario Sunshine:
- Bull's Eye Bills are covered (while the U-turn capability of Bullet Bills is not mentioned in the Super Mario Pia, so Missile Bills are not covered, as even in the Encyclopedia they are both described in the same entry, see above for more information) and they are not stated to be in Super Mario Sunshine:
- サーチキラー
- 弾丸姿のモンスター・キラーの仲間。追尾性能を持ち、赤く点滅しながら飛んでくる。
- 登場作品NSMW,NSMU
- To be fair, the official name of the equivalent in Super Mario Sunshine is Bullet Bill (purple) so I can see why the connection was not made, since they are supposed to be one of the four variant of Bullet Bills in said game.
- I'm not finding where Kirby and the Rainbow Curse as well as Golf are mentioned, they are likely buried in the various interviews of the book. I did however found a page about the Mario Golf series that included this statement:
- I'm not finding where Kirby and the Rainbow Curse as well as Golf are mentioned, they are likely buried in the various interviews of the book. I did however found a page about the Mario Golf series that included this statement:
- また、マリオの名こそ冠していないが、ファミコンディスクシステムで1987年に発売された『ゴルフJAPAN』『ゴルフUSコース』では、プレイヤーキャラクターがマリオとルイージで、パッケージにもマリオが描がれていた。こちらも含めれば、28年の歴史があるシリーズとなる。
- Since that page also lists NES Open Tournament Golf as the first game in the Mario golf series, I might scan the whole page if it's useful to have some indications on how the series is viewed in the Super Mario Pia.--Mister Wu (talk) 21:48, 29 October 2017 (EDT)
Bill Blaster
Bill Blaster is an obstacle that's been around since the beginning, yet our only Japanese names listed are specified to be from the Paper Mario games and from the 3DS Smash games. I'm curious as to what they are referred to in the various sections in the various guides. (I started a new section because to be honest the layout here is confusing at this point...) Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:43, 7 July 2018 (EDT)
- LinktheLefty ended up answering this, though I suppose specific page numbers might be nice... Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:38, 10 July 2018 (EDT)
