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@{{User|Yoshi the Space Station Manager}} That was just an example not to be taken ''literally'' because I don't want to sort through history sections to find out exactly where to put it. What I'm trying to say here is that other media needs to be ordered chronologically despite that they appear in alternate media. [[MarioWiki:Chronology|That is MarioWiki's policy]] and this article violates that by splicing the sections into the latter areas of the article. You're wrong about Mario Sports Superstars, we separate Mario Baseball, Mario Tennis, Mario Golf, and Mario Sports Mix. Mario Sports Superstars is not connected to any of those former sports, so it should be on the bottom with its own category. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 18:22, 6 February 2017 (EST)
@{{User|Yoshi the Space Station Manager}} That was just an example not to be taken ''literally'' because I don't want to sort through history sections to find out exactly where to put it. What I'm trying to say here is that other media needs to be ordered chronologically despite that they appear in alternate media. [[MarioWiki:Chronology|That is MarioWiki's policy]] and this article violates that by splicing the sections into the latter areas of the article. You're wrong about Mario Sports Superstars, we separate Mario Baseball, Mario Tennis, Mario Golf, and Mario Sports Mix. Mario Sports Superstars is not connected to any of those former sports, so it should be on the bottom with its own category. 18:22, 6 February 2017 (EST)
:@any voters: Seriously, go reread MarioWiki policy pages before you happily impulsively vote to remove my vote, because what you're voting for obviously violates it. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 18:25, 6 February 2017 (EST)
:@any voters: Seriously, go reread MarioWiki policy pages before you happily impulsively vote to remove my vote, because what you're voting for obviously violates it. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 18:25, 6 February 2017 (EST)
@{{User:Baby Luigi}} Well, you don't have the right to tell me what to do. I will impulsively vote if I want to impulsively vote.{{User:TheFlyingBowser/sig}}
:I tried to put the games in chronologically, first by when the series was created (e.g. ''Smash Bros.'' comes before ''[[Paper Mario]]'') and then sort the games of that series. However, there are some games that don't fit into a sub-series, like ''[[Super Mario Maker]]''. The cartoons are a different case, though. Originally, I was going to group them under an "Animation" header, but was soon told not to do so. And I don't know when each of the animations were released. However, ''Mario Sports Superstars'' IS a sports game, it's just its own sports title.{{User:Alex95/sig}} 18:27, 6 February 2017 (EST)
:I tried to put the games in chronologically, first by when the series was created (e.g. ''Smash Bros.'' comes before ''[[Paper Mario]]'') and then sort the games of that series. However, there are some games that don't fit into a sub-series, like ''[[Super Mario Maker]]''. The cartoons are a different case, though. Originally, I was going to group them under an "Animation" header, but was soon told not to do so. And I don't know when each of the animations were released. However, ''Mario Sports Superstars'' IS a sports game, it's just its own sports title.{{User:Alex95/sig}} 18:27, 6 February 2017 (EST)
::Look at how [[Mario]] organizes his nonvideo game media appearances, then go look back at Luigi's article. It's integrated nicely within his history instead of Luigi splitting it off. I was the one who told you not to treat nonvideogame media as separate appearances.
::Look at how [[Mario]] organizes his nonvideo game media appearances, then go look back at Luigi's article. It's integrated nicely within his history instead of Luigi splitting it off. I was the one who told you not to treat nonvideogame media as separate appearances.

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Luigi

Support

  1. Alex95 (talk) - Back in December, I rewrote the entirety of the Luigi article, and I think it came out great. It meets the good writing requirements and the only notice template on the page is for the upcoming Mario Sports Superstars. Not a lot of red links, either.
  2. Supermariofan67 (talk)
  3. 3D Player 2010 (talk)
  4. BlitzTheChainChomp (talk)
  5. TheFlyingBowser (talk)

Oppose

  1. Baby Luigi (talk) Organization of the page is still a huge mess. Every non video media is spliced off into their own little areas when they should be ordered chronologically (like, the Super Show appearances should be around the Super Mario Bros. 2 area or something), and that type is something we forbid. Mario Sports Superstars is pretty much propped in the middle of nowhere when, since it's not part of any series, should go on the bottom of the page beneath Super Mario Run. Profiles and Statistics section should be written about Luigi's profiles and statistics rather than listing random entries from the article. I'll take a look at the writing later.
  2. Bazooka Mario (talk) Lacking substantial amount of information and contains many questionable statements. See comments for full complaint.
  3. A51 Trooper (talk) Per Baby Luigi.

Removal of opposes

Baby Luigi

  1. Yoshi the Space Station Manager (talk) You do realize that the Super Show can't go near Super Mario Bros. 2 due to the series. And I would consider Mario Sports Superstars as part of the sports series. If you rewrite your oppose, then I will remove this.
  2. 3D Player 2010 (talk) Per Yoshi SSM.

Comments

@Yoshi the Space Station Manager (talk) That was just an example not to be taken literally because I don't want to sort through history sections to find out exactly where to put it. What I'm trying to say here is that other media needs to be ordered chronologically despite that they appear in alternate media. That is MarioWiki's policy and this article violates that by splicing the sections into the latter areas of the article. You're wrong about Mario Sports Superstars, we separate Mario Baseball, Mario Tennis, Mario Golf, and Mario Sports Mix. Mario Sports Superstars is not connected to any of those former sports, so it should be on the bottom with its own category. 18:22, 6 February 2017 (EST)

@any voters: Seriously, go reread MarioWiki policy pages before you happily impulsively vote to remove my vote, because what you're voting for obviously violates it. BabyLuigiFire.pngRay Trace(T|C) 18:25, 6 February 2017 (EST)

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Full Name Rostislav (Raymond) Konstantinovich Travkin
Age 29
Pronouns He/Him/Ray Trace
Sexual Orientation Ray Trace likes people who are as kind, handsome, and smart as him!
Species Diminutive
First Appearance 04:35, 10 September 2009
Latest Appearance Ray Trace is the person who is the most present on this wiki!
Affiliation(s) Himself, Dark Light, Redshift, Bluminescence, Ultra Violet, Kontrast, Mario, Luigi, Baby Mario, Baby Luigi, Toad, Toadette, Wiggler, Rosalina, Metal Mario, Yellow Yoshi, the Bob-ombs in Fahr Outpost
Latest Portrayal Denis Yuchenkov (2017–present)

Здорово! My name is Ray Trace, the smartest, fastest, biggest, strongest, tallest, kindest of the Protectors formerly known as Baby Luigi and BabyLuigiOnFire on this wiki, and administrator. I was promoted to Patroller on November 24, 2020 and Administrator on November 28, 2021, though I'm currently retired right now. I've been around since September 2009, part of the old guard, so I was active for quite a while and I'm highly experienced with wiki editing in general, being briefly autopatrolled before it was retooled and having some active parts in other facets of the community such as formerly writing for The 'Shroom and formerly being part of the Poll Committee. I'm named after one of my OCs designed after Baby Luigi, one of The Protectors, who is himself named after ray tracing, an advanced rendering technique for 3D imagery. The Protectors are basically variants of Baby Luigi, you can see images of them throughout this page and on my other profiles.

Most of my experience lies on 3D modeling and modding a large variety of games: the latter point helps a lot in obtaining data for games, such as models and graphics. If you need help with anything, be it mods or even how to render a model or how I get my data from, feel free to drop by my talk page: even if I'm not actively editing, I'm always on the wiki daily, checking up on it and occasionally skimming through Recent Changes.

Need help on how to upload renders of 3D models to the wiki? This thread I wrote can come in handy. My 'Shroom section, Parallax, also offers a lot of knowledge on 3D modeling as well, so go give it a read!

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History

Ray Trace is third in command of the Protectors, and he has the most detailed history out of all characters on the wiki.

Background

Ray Trace rarely, if ever, was a background character in the many of games he appeared in. He always had a main role in the story.

Super Mario series

Super Mario Bros.

Ray Trace is the main star of Super Mario Bros. and is very often mistaken for Mario due to graphical limitations. He was sent on the order of his Commander, Dark Light, in order to rescue Peach from Bowser's nefarious doings in the Mushroom Kingdom, and he has succeeded in a much faster way than Mario could have done it. After all, Ray Trace doesn't need Super Mushrooms and Fire Flowers when he has his trusty yellow blades to aid him. However, he very much appreciates the invincibility that Super Stars provide. Still, none of this really helps against Hammer Bros, who continue being a pain to deal with.

In the Super Mario All-Stars version of the game, however, in lieu of graphical improvements, Ray Trace started looking less like Ray Trace and started looking like Mario thus leading people to believe Mario was the main protagonist all along. Despite Mario looking more on-model, he cannot be even half as handsome as the third in command of the Protectors.

Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels

Ray Trace helps Mario and Luigi find the levels they lost in the game's sequel, Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels. The game was notoriously difficult, as the wind would tickle Luigi's nose and cause him to sneeze at inopportune moments, blowing away potentially found lost levels. The game also proves that just because enemies can breathe underwater doesn't mean they'll actually help players find the levels.

Ray Trace is the character responsible for adding oil underneath Luigi's shoes, which he claims was in fashion at the time in Norilsk. The oil causes Luigi to slip and slide, which actually improves Luigi's ability to skate around like a ballerina, and it also explains why Russia is the best country for figure skating.

Super Mario Bros. 2 / Super Mario Advance

Every player who has played Super Mario Bros. 2 and its reissue has selected Ray Trace, who is easily the best character in the game, making other characters unnecessary and nonexistent. He has Luigi's ability to scuttle, Peach's floating, Toad's speed to pull turnips out, and Mario's stunning mediocrity. Defeating Wart was no problem, but it did cause the four characters to brew some resentment of Ray Trace. They have hatched a plan to convince the Phantos to go after him with the Key and were surprisingly successful.

BS Super Mario USA

The spiritual successor to Super Mario Bros. 2, BS Super Mario USA, is practically the same game except for the increased amount of Flurries and there's ice everywhere. Despite common perceptions, just because Ray Trace is Russian doesn't mean he's powered up by ice. For some reason, Mario has turned into many terrifying golden Mario statues.

Super Mario Bros. 3 / Super Mario Advance 4: Super Mario Bros. 3

In Super Mario Bros. 3 and its Game Boy Advance reissue, Super Mario Advance 4: Super Mario Bros. 3, Bowser reproduced asexually and has conveniently birthed seven versions of himself to take over the eight total kingdoms in the entire world. Fortunately, Mushroom Kingdom was not affected, leaving Bowser with no choice but to just sit there in the poorly named Dark Land. Mario, Luigi, and a bunch of Toads named Toad in Toad Houses save the day, while Princess Peach occasionally sends letters to the brothers hoping in her wide open, unguarded, exposed castle, no one will surely kidnap her this time.

Oh and Ray Trace just so happened to be there.

Super Mario Land

Ray Trace's first attempts at dating a yellow-clad lovely princess from Sarasaland named Daisy failed very terribly in Super Mario Land. Not only did his wallet got stolen on the way to her castle, but after leaving it, he had his writing arm amputated and turned into a boomerang. No, it wasn't by Tatanga, but from Daisy merely rejecting his advances. It took several more broken legs and a crashed Sky Pop to finally convince Daisy to get his arm back. Then, Tatanga abducted him for his Protector energy, leaving it up to Mario to rescue him.

Super Mario World / Super Mario World: Super Mario Advance 2

Mario, Luigi, Ray Trace, the Protectors, Toad, Toadette, Baby Mario, Baby Luigi, Wiggler, Rosalina, Metal Mario, and Princess Peach vacation to Dinosaur Land in Super Mario World and its reissue shortly after the events of Super Mario Bros. 3. Just after arriving, Mario and Luigi got their cape forms and started flying around, giving rides to Baby Mario and Baby Luigi, Ray Trace and the Protectors run off to form a base, Toad and Toadette went on a stroll, Wiggler wandered off to the Forest of Illusion, and Rosalina and Metal Mario took a pipe to the Star World, all leaving Peach behind. When all characters converged back to the spot Peach was once was, she was surprisingly missing. This led to a very long lecture about Skinny Yoshi leaving princesses behind, especially since Bowser and the Koopalings just started to vacation here too.

Donkey Kong

One time, Donkey Kong in Donkey Kong from the Donkey Kong series pounded Ray Trace's head onto the ground while mistaking Ray Trace's beautiful yellow glowing swords as a Banana. It was a very painful experience and the resulting concussion lasted for several weeks.

NES Open Tournament Golf

Ray Trace is playable in the Dendy version of NES Open Tournament Golf, which takes place in Russia rather than Earth. He retains his blue shirt and red-and-white striped overalls. Princess Peach is depicted as Ray Trace's caddy, who helps carry his golf equipment.

Mario's Early Years! Fun with Letters

Let's face it, Ray Trace definitely needs to play this game if he wants to actually read in English.

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BabyLuigionFire.png (courtesy of Lakituthequick) Well, you don't have the right to tell me what to do. I will impulsively vote if I want to impulsively vote.User:TheFlyingBowser/sig

I tried to put the games in chronologically, first by when the series was created (e.g. Smash Bros. comes before Paper Mario) and then sort the games of that series. However, there are some games that don't fit into a sub-series, like Super Mario Maker. The cartoons are a different case, though. Originally, I was going to group them under an "Animation" header, but was soon told not to do so. And I don't know when each of the animations were released. However, Mario Sports Superstars IS a sports game, it's just its own sports title.Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 18:27, 6 February 2017 (EST)
Look at how Mario organizes his nonvideo game media appearances, then go look back at Luigi's article. It's integrated nicely within his history instead of Luigi splitting it off. I was the one who told you not to treat nonvideogame media as separate appearances.
My argument isn't that Mario Sports Superstars is a sports game. My argument is that it's completely separate from the other sports series, including Mario Sports Mix, so it should be on the bottom of the article, treated as its own thing. It doesn't fit in the Mario Golf series header, nor the Mario Tennis series header, nor next to Mario Sports Mix. That's why it should be treated as such. BabyLuigiFire.pngRay Trace(T|C) 18:31, 6 February 2017 (EST)
Ah. When I rewrote the Luigi article, I didn't go off of anything. I enjoy trying to make my work appear as original as possible, but I guess that makes it seem off compared to other articles on the wiki.
If we're comparing Luigi's article to Mario's and the other major characters, then yeah, the whole thing needs some work... Maybe this article isn't suited for featured status at the moment after all. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 18:35, 6 February 2017 (EST)
@Alex95: You can still change the article to match the policies. @Baby Luigi: It is nice to have all the sports games in one location. Especially since there is more than golf, tennis, etc. in other sports games. Red Yoshi in a construction hat walking Yoshi the SSM (talk) 18:40, 6 February 2017 (EST)
Coming up with original concepts to present articles is always a neat thing to have (how the List of Mario Party minigames articles are formatted in gallery form came from an idea I had, as well as using tables to display Mario Kart items and many other stuff on this wiki that I can't list), but when said original concepts obviously violate MarioWiki policy, that's when others and I have to step in.
You can continue working on the article while the nomination is up. I remember featured article nominations used to be a lot more active than this, and articles were changed for the better while lots of discussion was going on. Now, it's kinda dead but I'm trying my best to maintain it. BabyLuigiFire.pngRay Trace(T|C) 18:42, 6 February 2017 (EST)

@User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager: I don't really care if it would be "nice" if they were all in one location. That violates MarioWiki:Chronology on how we order things. You might as well lump all RPGs, all platformers, all puzzle games, and all nonvideo game media in one category, and then, Luigi's article would be an anomaly to every other character article and that's not the standard we follow. BabyLuigiFire.pngRay Trace(T|C) 18:42, 6 February 2017 (EST)

Yeah, of course it could be updated. Just saying that, now that what's wrong has been pointed out (as no one told me before), at the moment, I don't feel it is currently ready for a featured status. Is there a way I can "unnominate" this? Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 18:43, 6 February 2017 (EST)
Not that I know of. You pretty much have to wait for the nomination to expire, unless your nomination is blatantly awful. You still have several months to get it back in ship shape, so that's still plenty of time before I consider to change my vote and support. BabyLuigiFire.pngRay Trace(T|C) 18:45, 6 February 2017 (EST)
Very well then. Once I'm done working on my current project, I'll rework the Luigi article to match the others. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 18:48, 6 February 2017 (EST)

Info Needed Checklist

False or questionable statements

  • "His first appearance was in NES Open Tournament Golf. In the game, Luigi wore green striped overalls and hat along with a blue shirt with white stars imprinted on it. This is the only game to show Luigi with this outfit."
    Wrong. It is Family Computer Golf: Japan Course came first, then Family Computer Golf: U.S. Course and THEN NES Open Tournament. Luigi also wore the 'Murica outfit in Family Computer Golf: U.S. Course.
  • "The Super Mario Adventures comic serial's depiction of Luigi, oddly, features him in an opposite portrayal to his personality in the games and cartoons."
    Arguably false since Luigi is a coward in Super Mario Adventures and is prone to goofing off. Not unlike the games and cartoons. This is contradicted later in the article "Luigi is portrayed as timid and a bit of a coward, which was first shown in Super Mario Adventures."
  • "Luigi has also been known to cross-dress several times. The first time was in Super Mario Adventures, second in Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga and third was (implied) in Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door."
    Misleading, as Luigi has cross-dressed countless times in Super Mario-Kun, and there may be other undocumented cross-dressings.
  • "Super Mario Adventures downplays his cowardice altogether, instead portraying him as rash and willing to make choices without putting much thought into them. His main characteristic here is greed. However, his greed is not for money as it was in the anime, but for food; when the brothers came across a haunted house, Luigi was drawn in immediately by the smell of cheese."
    False for the claim about "downplaying cowardice" and the "rash" decisions could be considered a component of Luigi's clumsiness. The last point is misleading as both brothers are hungry but Luigi has a weaker will to resist, not because he's greedy.
  • "In Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time, the Star Gate (which supposedly knows all) passes Luigi as 'unworthy' to enter. This most likely has something to do with Luigi's 'dark secret from his past,' which it also mentions; Luigi did something either embarrassing or foolish which he has kept a secret ever since. However, in a interview with a member of staff, he stated Luigi had no dark secret, and it was actually a reference to Luigi's constantly living in the shadow of his brother. He also added: 'Why make Luigi into a bad guy? We have Waluigi for that instead!'"
    Source?

Other comments

  • Roles taken section in a nutshell: he is a hero sometimes; he is a sidekick sometimes. Bad section.
  • Luigi could use some information on Super Smash Bros. in addition to what's here, which is usually just unlock conditions, special moves, and role in Brawl's story.
  • Mario Strikers Charged needs a bit more info. What does "balanced" mean? And make a short mention of his deke and his unique Mega Strike.
  • Mario Golf games simply vomits out meaningless jargon and numbers. What does a drive of 200 mean? Make it relative to the cast so readers know how big this number is.
  • Mario Tennis games have almost no information overall and tells me nothing relevant about Luigi. Again, what does "better net play" mean?
  • Super Mario Bros. film information needs to be split from this page.

Icon showing how many lives Mario has left. From Super Mario 64 DS. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 23:54, 6 February 2017 (EST)

Okay, so, essentially, I just rewrote what was already there. This article needs a MAJOR overhaul, and I see that now. Thanks for the advice, and I'll begin working on the article when I can, however, I don't know everything, so I may not be able to get all the information this article needs.... Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 00:03, 7 February 2017 (EST)