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#{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} Per original proposal.
#{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} Per original proposal.
#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per original proposal. I personally think the other option is a bit excessive, not every colored Toad necessarily needs coverage, and passing them all off as the same "character concept" in one article just because they happen to share a color palette feels weird.
#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per original proposal. I personally think the other option is a bit excessive, not every colored Toad necessarily needs coverage, and passing them all off as the same "character concept" in one article just because they happen to share a color palette feels weird.
#((User|MinecraftFan}} Per original proposal…
#{{User|MinecraftFan}} Per original proposal…


====Do as originally planned but split ''Mario Maker 2'' Toads into separate articles====
====Do as originally planned but split ''Mario Maker 2'' Toads into separate articles====

Revision as of 15:20, June 11, 2020

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Thursday, October 17th, 19:27 GMT

Proposals can be new features, the removal of previously-added features that have tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action is taken.
  • Voting periods last for two weeks.
  • Any user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so (not, e.g., "I like this idea!").
  • All proposals must be approved by a majority of voters, including proposals with more than two options.
  • For past proposals, see the proposal archive and the talk page proposal archive.

A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code {{User|User name}}.

How to

Rules

  1. If users have an idea about improving the wiki or managing its community, but feel that they need community approval before acting upon that idea, they may make a proposal about it. They must have a strong argument supporting their idea and be willing to discuss it in detail with the other users, who will then vote about whether or not they think the idea should be used. Proposals should include links to all relevant pages and writing guidelines. Proposals must include a link to the draft page. Any pages that would be largely affected by the proposal should be marked with {{proposal notice}}.
  2. Only registered, autoconfirmed users can create, comment in, or vote on proposals and talk page proposals. Users may vote for more than one option, but they may not vote for every option available.
  3. Proposals end at the end of the day (23:59) two weeks after voting starts (all times GMT).
    • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, the voting starts immediately and the deadline is two weeks later on Monday, August 15, at 23:59 GMT.
  4. Every vote should have a strong, sensible reason accompanying it. Agreeing with a previously mentioned reason given by another user is accepted (including "per" votes), but tangential comments, heavy sarcasm, and other misleading or irrelevant quips are just as invalid as providing no reason at all.
  5. Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. Voters can remove or rewrite their own vote(s) at any time, but the final decision to remove another user's vote lies solely with the administrators.
    • Users can also use the comments section to bring up any concerns or mistakes in regards to the proposal itself. In such cases, it's important the proposer addresses any concerns raised as soon as possible. Even if the supporting side might be winning by a wide margin, that should be no reason for such questions to be left unanswered. They may point out any missing details that might have been overlooked by the proposer, so it's a good idea as the proposer to check them frequently to achieve the most accurate outcome possible.
  6. If a user makes a vote and is subsequently blocked for any amount of time, their vote is removed. However, if the block ends before the proposal ends, then the user in question holds the right to re-cast their vote. If a proposer is blocked, their vote is removed and "(banned)" is added next to their name in the "Proposer:" line of the proposal, which runs until its deadline as normal. If the proposal passes, it falls to the supporters of the idea to enact any changes in a timely manner.
  7. No proposal can overturn the decision of a previous proposal that is less than 4 weeks (28 days) old.
  8. Any proposal where none of the options have at least four votes will be extended for another week. If after three extensions, no options have at least four votes, the proposal will be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
  9. If a proposal reaches its deadline and there is a tie for first place, then the proposal is extended for another week.
  10. If a proposal reaches its deadline and the first place option is ahead of the second place option by three or more votes, then the first place option must have over 50% approval to win. If the margin is only one or two votes, then the first place option must have at least 60% approval to win. If the required approval threshold is not met, then the proposal is extended for another week.
    • Use the {{proposal check}} tool to automate this calculation; see the template page for usage instructions and examples.
  11. Proposals can be extended a maximum of three times. If a consensus has not been reached by the fourth deadline, then the proposal fails and can only be re-proposed after four weeks (at the earliest).
  12. All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of an administrator, the proposer can ask for that help.
  13. If the administrators deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to remove it at any time.
  14. Proposals can only be rewritten or canceled by their proposer within the first six days of their creation. However, proposers can request that their proposal be canceled by an administrator at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it. Please note that canceled proposals must also be archived.
  15. Unless there is major disagreement about whether certain content should be included, there should not be proposals about creating, expanding, rewriting, or otherwise fixing up pages. To organize efforts about improving articles on neglected or completely missing subjects, try setting up a collaboration thread on the forums.
  16. Proposals cannot be made about promotions and demotions. Users can only be promoted and demoted by the will of the administration.
  17. No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.
  18. Proposals must have a status quo option (e.g. Oppose, Do nothing) unless the status quo itself violates policy.

Basic proposal and support/oppose format

This is an example of what your proposal must look like, if you want it to be acknowledged. If you are inexperienced or unsure how to set up this format, simply copy the following and paste it into the fitting section. Then replace the [subject] - variables with information to customize your proposal, so it says what you wish. If you insert the information, be sure to replace the whole variable including the squared brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information", not "[This is the inserted information]". Proposals presenting multiple alternative courses of action can have more than two voting options, but what each voting section is supporting must be clearly defined. Such options should also be kept to a minimum, and if something comes up in the comments, the proposal can be amended as necessary.


===[insert a title for your proposal here]===
[describe what issue this proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the wiki handles that issue]

'''Proposer''': {{User|[enter your username here]}}<br>
'''Deadline''': [insert a deadline here, 14 days after the proposal was created, at 23:59 GMT, in the format: "October 17, 2024, 23:59 GMT"]

====Support====
#{{User|[enter your username here]}} [make a statement indicating that you support your proposal]

====Oppose====

====Comments====


Users will now be able to vote on your proposal, until the set deadline is reached. Remember, you are a user as well, so you can vote on your own proposal just like the others.

To support, or oppose, just insert "#{{User|[add your username here]}}" at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on another user's proposal. If you are voting on your own proposal, you can just say "Per my proposal".

Talk page proposals

Proposals concerning a single page or a limited group of pages are held on the most relevant talk page regarding the matter. Proposals dealing with a large amount of splits, merges, or deletions across the wiki should still be held on this page.

For a list of all settled talk page proposals, see MarioWiki:Proposals/TPP archive and Category:Settled talk page proposals.

Rules

  1. All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom) using {{TPP discuss}}. Include a brief description of the proposal while also mentioning any pages affected by it, a link to the talk page housing the discussion, and the deadline. If the proposal involves a page that is not yet made, use {{fake link}} to communicate its title in the description. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links. Place {{TPP}} under the section's header, and once the proposal is over, replace the template with {{settled TPP}}.
  2. All rules for talk page proposals are the same as mainspace proposals (see the "How to" section above), with the exceptions made by Rules 3 and 4 as follows:
  3. The talk page proposal must pertain to the subject page of the talk page it is posted on.
  4. When a talk page proposal passes, it should be removed from this list and included in the list under the "Unimplemented proposals" section until the proposed changes have been enacted.

List of ongoing talk page proposals

Unimplemented proposals

Proposals

Establish a standard for long course listings in articles for characters/enemies/items/etc., Koopa con Carne (ended June 8, 2023)
Break alphabetical order in enemy lists to list enemy variants below their base form, EvieMaybe (ended May 21, 2024)
Standardize sectioning for Super Mario series game articles, Nintendo101 (ended July 3, 2024)
^ NOTE: Not yet integrated for the Super Mario Maker games, Super Mario Run, or Super Mario Bros. Wonder
Create new sections for gallery pages to cover "unused/pre-release/prototype/etc." graphics separate from the ones that appear in the finalized games, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 2, 2024)
Tag sections regarding the unofficially named planets/area in Super Mario Galaxy games with "Conjecture" and "Dev data" templates, GuntherBayBeee (ended September 10, 2024)
Create MarioWiki:WikiLove and WikiLove templates, Super Mario RPG (ended September 20, 2024)
Add film and television ratings to Template:Ratings, TheUndescribableGhost (ended October 1, 2024)
Use the classic and classic-link templates when discussing classic courses in Mario Kart Tour, YoYo (ended October 2, 2024)
Split articles for the alternate-named reskins from All Night Nippon: Super Mario Bros., Doc von Schmeltwick (ended October 3, 2024)

Talk page proposals

Split all the clothing, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 12, 2021)
Split machine parts, Robo-Rabbit, and flag from Super Duel Mode, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 30, 2022)
Make bestiary list pages for the Minion Quest and Bowser Jr.'s Journey modes, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended January 11, 2024)
Allow separate articles for Diddy Kong Pilot (2003)'s subjects, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended August 3, 2024)
Split Banana Peel from Banana, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 18, 2024)
Merge pages into List of Play Nintendo secret messages, Axii (ended October 4, 2024)
Create Secret exit article, EvieMaybe (ended October 15, 2024)

List of talk page proposals

Template:TPPDiscuss Template:TPPDiscuss Template:TPPDiscuss

Unimplemented proposals

# Proposal User Date
1 Create boss level articles for Donkey Kong Country and Donkey Kong Land series
Notes: The DK: King of Swing boss levels, while not explicitly covered by this proposal, should receive the same treatment. All Donkey Kong Land boss levels have been created.
Aokage (talk) January 3, 2015
2 Expand the Behemoth King article Owencrazyboy9 (talk) December 23, 2017
3 Decide how to cover recurring events in the Mario & Sonic series BBQ Turtle (talk) July 17, 2018
4 Reorganize Map LudwigVon (talk) July 17, 2019
5 Split Jump Block (Mario & Wario) from Note Block Alternis (talk) July 21, 2019
6 Reorganize and split Gallery:Toys and other Merchandise galleries Results May Vary (talk) July 30, 2019
7 Split the Ice Skate and Swim Ring variants of the Goomba FanOfYoshi (talk) August 17, 2019
8 Split Buckies from Noki FanOfYoshi (talk) August 28, 2019
9 Create articles on the River Survival routes in Super Mario Party Toadette the Achiever (talk) November 2, 2019
10 Include information on Construction Zone for the rest of the Mario vs. Donkey Kong series Bye Guy (talk) November 24, 2019
11 Split Big/Giant Shy Guy from Mega Guy LinkTheLefty (talk) February 11, 2020
12 Merge Fright Jar and Fright Mask Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) February 26, 2020
13 Split backwards somersault info and merge it to Backflip Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) February 26, 2020
14 Prune White Shy Guy to remove non-Yoshi's Story information Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) February 26, 2020
15 Merge Jelly Pop with Jelly Candy and Coco Pop with Coco Candy Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) March 21, 2020
16 Create a "character/species" infobox Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) April 16, 2020
17 Split Jaxi (dormant) from Jaxi Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) April 21, 2020
18 Split Marucchi from Brier Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) April 21, 2020
19 Decide how to handle the music parameter of the Levelbox template Scrooge200 (talk) June 10, 2020

Writing guidelines

None at the moment.

New features

None at the moment.

Removals

None at the moment.

Changes

Decide how to organise the coloured Toad characters

For context, this was originally a TPP to restrict Blue Toad (character) and Yellow Toad (New Super Mario Bros. series) to information about the NSMB character and moving the leftovers to Toad (species); however, an idea was brought up suggesting that we create single "[colour] Toad" articles for each coloured Toad character concept that list every named instance of a coloured Toad character while also not treating them as the same one (in a similar vein to Yoshi listing every Yoshi character even though they're all not necessarily the same as each other, and Donkey Kong covering the named "Donkey Kong" appearances), hence this broader proposal.

  • Create single "[colour] Toad" articles: (See Doc's vote/comments.) Specifically Blue Toad, Yellow Toad, Green Toad, Purple Toad and Red Toad. This would mean merging Blue Toad (character), Yellow Toad (New Super Mario Bros. series) and the Toad Brigade members to these coloured Toad articles (not counting Captain Toad to Red Toad), but also having a way to prominently cover the Mario Maker 2 Story Mode Toads and prevent the need for creating several articles for each individual appearance. As mentioned before, these should focus on named appearances, as I think including information about, say, the Mario Party 9 and Luigi's Mansion 3 Toads (where they are treated as generic Toads) would lead to users including every instance of any coloured Toad with some kind of role to the article. Unnamed Toads that appear alongside otherwise named ones in one game (e.g. the purple Crazy Cap shop owner alongside Hint Toad in Odyssey) are an exception, however, as it'd be odd to exclude them.
  • Restrict Blue Toad (character) and Yellow Toad (New Super Mario Bros. series) information: My original proposal to limit the information to the NSMB character and its cameos, and move everything else (the Luigi's Mansion 3, Mario Kart Arcade GP DX and Mario Maker 2 info) to Toad (species). There were points raised about the SMM2 Toads receiving separate articles instead, so I've included that alternative as an option.

Proposer: Mario jc (talk)
Deadline: June 18, 2020, 23:59 GMT

Create single "[colour] Toad" articles

  1. Mario jc (talk) I'm in favour of any kind of reorganisation, and this seems like a good way to do it. I'm actually leaning a bit more towards this option.
  2. Alex95 (talk) - While there aren't that many named Toads aside from the standard, Blue, and Yellow, this seems like the best way to cover more information. Restricting usage to just NSMB seems odd, especially since there is a playable Blue Toad in Super Mario 3D World and Super Mario Maker 2. I'm not sure about the Toad Brigade, but I'd rather this option over the others.
  3. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) Per my previous comments. While not necessarily the same characters per se, you can say the same about the "Toad" character, as well as the "Yoshi" character and the "Birdo" character and all of that recurring "species name" type. Also, it's preferable compared to splitting in awkward, ultimately speculative ways. Also, the Toad Brigade names are clearly role-based nicknames, though Captain Toad has branched out enough to be considered his own thing.

Do as originally planned (restrict Blue Toad (character) and Yellow Toad (New Super Mario Bros. series) information)

  1. Mario jc (talk) Per my original proposal.
  2. TheFlameChomp (talk) Per the original proposal, and my reasoning for supporting it.
  3. Toadette the Achiever (talk) Per original proposal.
  4. Waluigi Time (talk) Per original proposal. I personally think the other option is a bit excessive, not every colored Toad necessarily needs coverage, and passing them all off as the same "character concept" in one article just because they happen to share a color palette feels weird.
  5. MinecraftFan (talk) Per original proposal…

Do as originally planned but split Mario Maker 2 Toads into separate articles

Do nothing

Comments

I’m not sure about moving the Toad Brigade members in the colored Toads’ pages, most of these seem to have a name other than [color] Toad.—Mister Wu (talk) 09:00, June 11, 2020 (EDT)

Those names (Mailtoad etc.) would still be used in these proposed articles, only the more general "[colour] Toad" would be used as the titles to reflect the purpose of the articles. Ashley costume pose in Super Mario Maker Mario JC 09:24, June 11, 2020 (EDT)

Miscellaneous

None at the moment.