Talk:Super Mario 64 DS

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Shouldn't we merge this article with Super Mario 64? It's simply a remake w/ some newly created challenges, more characters and a slightly different storyline. The powers and levels are still the same, with improved graphics. Wayoshi 20:57, 3 July 2006 (EDT)

I'm not sure. There are enough chages to Super Mario 64 DS its own article. More playable characters, more levels, more stars, different power-ups, including the Power Flower. It's much more than a simple remake. However, the two pages should be linked together. --Son of Suns 02:03, 5 July 2006 (EDT)

Remake

This isn't a remake. It has new characters, new levels, and a slightly different plot. True, Super Mario Advance 3 had extra levels, but remakes don't include new plots. That isn't saying since Super Mario Advance 3 has extra levels, it should be two different games. It's saying that there are too many differences between 64 and 64 DS.

Mariofan132

They are two different games, but SM64 DS is still a remake of SM64. -- Son of Suns

But how?

Mariofan132

Using the same title and the same base environs. -- Son of Suns

Since this is a remake, how come I keep seeing it referred to in this Wiki as either non-canonical or a separate incident from Super Mario 64? I must admit, I am confused... Dinosaur bob 13:54, 1 July 2007 (EDT)

It can't be a remake. Super Mario 64 DS has 4 playable characters. The original version had only Mario. This version: Wario, Luigi, Mario AND Yoshi. NOT A REMAKE.

Snowspike55

That's what remakes do. They add new things to the game. IT IS A REMAKE. Kingfawful4321 (talk) 14:11, 22 February 2013 (EST)

This is a remake. With that said, I do believe this is a remake that has changed substantially from the original. However, it hasn't changed enough to be the same game. It still, basically, has the same worlds, same environment, and same enemies. Just because they added playable characters and they changed the plot ever so slightly to accommodate the new characters, doesn't mean it's an entirely new game. I rest my case. YoshiAwsumness (talk) 21:12, 2 December 2013 (EST)

I know I'm kinda late for this but I also think that this isn't a remake, even if it has the same gameplay, levels, whatever... Because Koopa the Quick mentions that Mario is fatter since he last saw him. In the original he talks to Mario as if he has met him for the first time. If this was a remake it would never talk about the original, StarFox 64 3D(I know this kinda off-topic) on other hand is a true remake because the characters never mention the original game. So I think this game is a direct sequel. --CastleResearch (talk) 15:55, 30 May 2015 (EDT)

Isn't this an FA

Isn't this an FA?Storm Yoshi

I don't know, but it sure looks like it should be. Talk

WarioLoaf and I rewrote it; WL did the code and I wrote an entire walkthrough. It got nominated; didn't make it. 3D, SIGH... admire my handiwork!

Mini-game instructions

Are the in-game instructions for the mini-games identical to those in New Super Mario Bros.? I only have the latter and would like to add the instructions to the articles. Time Questions 15:17, 3 January 2008 (EST)

No one here who has both games and can compare the instructions? Time Questions 07:32, 22 January 2008 (EST)

Is this Fake?

I found this picture, and I think it is fake. Image:FakeWaluigi.jpg
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lewa159 (talk).

YES, it is fake. It's been specificly stated to be fake. And, people have torn the game apart, ripped up the ROM, and found nothing of Waluigi. And, sign comments plorx.GreenKoopa - Comments or questions?

Problem

Some code at the end of the page seems to not end, and seems to keep the templates towards the middle and some other things. If I'm correct, it seems to be coming from the differences section towards the bottom of the page. May somebody fix this, as I don't know how, please? --Palkia47 21:11, 28 July 2008 (EDT)

Rec Room

I added that some of the games are from NSMB I wonder wwhy no one else did that.ratfink43

'cause the NSMB games are from SM64DS, not the other way round. Time Questions 14:29, 30 July 2009 (EDT)

Multiple Endings

Within the past two weeks, I decided to attempt to beat Super Mario 64 DS without rescuing Wario and Luigi. In the latter case, Wario also would not be saved. This article is untrue in that a player does not need to save all the characters to battle the final Bowser upon obtaining 80 Power Stars. In addition, not saving characters creates two alternate endings to the game. The first shows Mario, Luigi and Yoshi with Peach and all appearing as figures on the cake. The second shows just Mario and Yoshi meeting Princess Peach and only the three of them appear upon the "Thank You" cake.

1.

2. Other Universe

You can have all the characters saved and on top of the cake,or just yoshi and mario. Either way,you have to finish the game with yoshi and mario. --Rosalina1234 12:26, 23 July 2011 (EDT)Rosalina 1234

Find a way to incorporate that into the article.--Knife (talk) 04:49, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Gallery

I think this needs a gallery. Mario Bros.!

Now I really think this needs a gallery. PikaSamus (talk) e Done Donaldthescotishtwin

VS Mode

There is no mentioning of vs mode in this article. I believe that it should be added.

PMovies97 10:12, 31 December 2011 (EST)

I don't know about that. Marioisawesome118

It really does need to be added since it is an entirely different mode of the game and deserves a place.-Bowser45(Fun Isn't Infinite)

OK,then. Marioisawesome118

Trivia

Is anyone aware that when a cap is lost, one can find it in any course in which it is possible to lose a cap? Bspald95 (talk) 16:25, 23 August 2012 (EDT)

Split Mario and Yoshi's Power Flower Forms from this article.

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Create articles for both forms 7-0-2-0-0
Now correct me if I am wrong, but I do not see any articles for Mario's floating power or Yoshi's fire breath. I know there is an article for Bowser's Fire Breath that mentions Yoshi's power-up, but does not even have quarter of the info I would put on a page if it was created. So, to keep consistency I would also create a page for Mario's Power Flower power too. Luigi and Wario's Power Flower powers got merged into their respective articles. So I think both of these power-ups deserve their own page.

Proposer:Koopa K (talk)
Deadline:September 6, 2012 23:59 GMT

Create Articles for both of these

1. Koopa K (talk) Per proposal.
2. Technickal (talk) Why not?
3. New Super Yoshi (talk) Per all.
4. JORDAN DEBONO (talk) Per proposal.
5. ToastUltimatum (talk) Why would they even be here? If they don't deserve an article, they should go on the character pages. But as it happens, both thoroughly deserve an article.
6. yoshiyoshiyoshi (talk) Per Proposal.
7. bowser45 (talk) Per proposal.

Create an article for Mario's Power-up and merge info from his Super Mario World power-up

1. Raven Effect (talk) I don't think Yoshi's fire breath should get's own page for the same reason I don't think Luigi's flutter jump should get a separate flutter jump page because it's the same thing only done by someone different. I do believe Mario's should because it's a form that has appeared in 2 games (it's actually Balloon Mario from SMW)
2. Tails777 (talk) Per Raven Effect.

Do not create an article for either

1. Kelton2 (talk) It's such a minor thing....

Comments

I'm on the fence when it comes to Yoshi's but i'll support Mario's if all the information about Mario's floating form from Super Mario World is merged into it since they are the same thing just with different power ups. Raven Effect (talk)

I can do that. Koopa K (talk)

Shouldn't we just expand on Yoshi's section in the Fire Breath article rather than create a whole new article for it? Tails777 (talk)

We could do that, but I already have an idea for what an article would look like I'm making a draft right now. Koopa K (talk)

Well, I gave up on the draft, but my idea is a brief introduction, then a description of the Power-up itself. Also adding a table of levels that Fire Breath is required to use to complete. Also, we could list places where you can be Fire Breath Yoshi. Koopa K (talk)

I have a very important question is Yoshi's fire breath called Fire Breath? Raven Effect (talk)

I don't know, we could always call him Fire Breathing Yoshi. Koopa K (talk)

That would work I guess. 2nd question what is the difference between Yoshi breathing fire and bowser breathing fire other then the fact that yoshi get's his from a power flower. Raven Effect (talk)

Yoshi's power is limited and Bowser's power is unlimited. Yoshi's fire breath is smaller than Bowser's. Bowser's can split into multiple pieces. I could probably list more when I remember them. Koopa K (talk)

All of that stuff is trivial and can easily be listed in the fire breath article. Creating one for Yoshi's fire breath would be like creating one for Fire Bros. fire breath because it shoots them out of it's mouth in little ball that are smaller then Bowser's. Or creating separate flutter jump pages because Luigi's is higher then Yoshi's. Raven Effect (talk)

Actually we already have one. Technickal (talk)

More differences, Yoshi's kills on contact, Bowser's only damages. Bowser's can stay around longer. Bowser's sometimes can charge. Koopa K (talk)

Princess Peach's ponytail

I wonder if we should explain about Princess Peach's ponytail in the game why it was changed to long to ponytail. Choose whether you support or oppose this choice. Marioisawesome118

It is already mentioned in the article in the differences section and since it's really not that important I don't think we should mention it in any more detail. -Bowser45(Fun Isn't Infinite)

But, what if we should? Marioisawesome118

"Super Mario 64 / Super Mario 64 DS" section

Anyone else dislike how that section is set up, and would rather have it as a bullet point list, like this? It's really pointless to write "[content added in remake] is not in original game./ [content added in remake] is in the remake", which is what it's doing right now. --Glowsquid (talk) 22:14, 10 November 2012 (EST)

Bullet lists are cool as ice man toadbert

I agree. It's a bit annoying to have to follow the rows in the table to see the difference. I'll be happy to make them into bullet points if you want, Glowsquid.

Shokora (talk · edits) 15:38, 15 November 2012 (EST)

I also agree, let's do this !
Banon (talk · edits) 11:51, 15 December 2012 (EST)

Done.

Shokora (talk · edits) 04:31, 16 December 2012 (EST)

Lethal Lava Land Mistake

Wario is available to get to Lethal Lava Land. Can someone change that?

How to get each star

I noticed that two of the "Characters Required" sections were wrong. It says that the first race with Koopa the Quick requires Mario, when in fact Yoshi can get it with the cap. For Hazy Maze Cave's first level, Wario is not required, also because his cap appears. These definitely should be changed, as other stars where a certain character is recommended (like the Chain Chomp star in Bob-omb Battlefield) are correctly listed as being obtainable with every character. I think someone should go over these and make sure they are correct. Thanks. 99.107.199.30 21:20, 26 March 2013 (EDT)

Well, these are correct because technically, with the cap, you are playing as the required character to get the star. Ray Trace^(T|C)

Should 64 references in later games also be in here?

Header says what it is. This is the remake to that game so wouldn't certain references from 64 also be references to this game, like Tick Tock Clock appearing as a track in Mario Kart DS? Yoshi876 (talk)

No, I don't think that counts. That's like saying one of the songs in Mario Sports Mix is a reference to Super Mario World and one of those Super Mario Advance games. An exception is that something exclusive to the remake gets a reference; e.g. Chief Chilly is a reference to Super Mario 64 DS because he first appeared in a remake.
Mario^-HOHO! (Talk / Stalk) 23:10, 30 July 2013 (EDT)

Mistake

For the 8 Glowing Rabbit Star, the article says 80 Stars for make a random rabbit glowing, but the Rabbit page says 50. Which is true? World of Tsunami!

Had to restart the whole game, 50 is the correct amount.--

17:19, 9 June 2014 (EDT)

Another mistake

In the differences section the Star 2 of Secret Slide says that Luigi must go to the slide in order to achieve less than 21 second (and I get a 20.42 with him). This is untrue as I get a 20.65 with Mario and about 20.95 with both Wario and Yoshi. TSUNAMI

True, you can even get around 17 if you used shortcuts.--

14:50, 19 June 2014 (EDT)

17? HOW? O_O If I try to jump after the first two turns to the right I lose time TSUNAMI

Speed (Swim)?

Where's the data confirming that there's a stat for swimming? BNK ^[E|T|C] 02:14, 20 July 2014 (EDT)

Glitch?

I went to Tall Tall mountain and ate Ukikki right before being hit by fire. I ran into the water and ukikki stayed in my mouth. He came out if I spat him. One time he stole Mario's cap in my mouth.

I don't know about that, but there is a glitch that makes the sun look like a black hole in a cannon--Lava Juggle (talk) 18:08, September 14, 2020 (EDT)

Can I replace this image?

http://www.mariowiki.com/File:SM64DS_FloatingPower.jpg

with a render of the balloon mario model (from the game rom's files)?

--Hiccup (talk) 10:26, 3 August 2014 (EDT)

Sure. --Glowsquid (talk) 12:39, 3 August 2014 (EDT)

Peach has hidden animations

According to SM64DS level editor, Peach has at least 3 unused animations that includes a idle, run and jump animation very similar to Mario & Co. with the former being looking right and left like Mario, Luigi, etc. Does this mean she was going to be a playable character? I think we should put this in the beta elements.

--CastleResearch (talk) 15:35, 30 May 2015 (EDT)

Purpose of backlight off

Mario 64 DS allows deactivating the screen backlight. This makes it go entirely dark.

What is the purpose of it?
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by 79.241.206.154 (talk).

Later models of the DS, such as the DSi, are backlit but the original model is not. With the backlight off on the original model, it makes it easier to see the game in the light. Doesn't really do anything when turned on on the original model, though. 19:01, August 17, 2019 (EDT)

Pre-Existing Caps

So, some stars (example: Big Bob-omb's Revenge) Spawn Caps that you can use to get said star (Example case: Mario's Cap) but those stars mark the caps that can be used as "Character Required", so I'm confused. _{Sidenote: Using a cap spawned in star 4 of Big Boo's Haunt you can Unlock Luigi, as Yoshi, as Luigi. Just to complete the Trio, one can be found on Dorie in one of the stars, don't remember which though. Probably Metal-Head Wario Can Move--Lava Juggle (talk) 21:47, September 15, 2020 (EDT)}

Swimming Beast in the Cavern. Isn't this forum talk, though? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:52, September 15, 2020 (EDT)

Yeah, probably, sorry about that.--Lava Juggle (talk) 08:39, September 16, 2020 (EDT)

Confirmation of Reference

Is anyone able to confirm that this move (https://www.youtube.com/shorts/eb1lWFBKyf0) is a reference to Wario World and not some other form of Wario-related media? I basically know nothing about Wario games. --Jumbo Ray

More specific mission character requirements

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Change all level tables 5-0-0

Change the level section to include more specific character requirements

I was thinking about maybe making it more specific to show which missions characters can do? I am mostly fine with the current version but if I am allowed to make some changes that would be nice. Specifically, the changes to the character section. I am showing an example of this here. The collapsed table is just to avoid clutter here, and the tag will not be put into the article. Checkmarks stand for missions each character can complete, caps show that a character can complete the mission if a proper cap is collected in the level, and an x indicates that the character cannot enter the level, or if they can (though I don't know if this is even possible unless the character isn't unlocked yet), they cannot complete the mission (this is only done for BBH and character-exclusive levels). Also note that a cap might only be used to overcome an obstacle; once that obstacle is cleared, the character can dispose the cap and finish it using their original selves. For example saying "Mario" for Koopa's Footrace would indicate that only Mario can complete the level, whereas with my chart shown below, it shows that any character can complete it as long as they have the Mario cap on for the race, but they can dispose of it later and complete it as Yoshi, Luigi, or Wario (Koopa even says a unique quite if anyone other than Mario beats him). So to avoid confusion, and to make it more clear which requirements are needed, I propose changing the table (for courses, which are the 15 major levels, at least) to the one shown below.

Courses
#	Mission	How to get the Star	Yoshi	Mario	Luigi	Wario
1	Big Bob-omb on the Summit	Yoshi has to go to the top of the mountain and fight the Big Bob-omb to obtain the Power Star. To do this, Yoshi must slurp Bob-ombs and spit them at him, while the other player characters must pick them up and throw them back at him.
2	Footrace with Koopa the Quick	The player has to race up the mountain against Koopa the Quick. If the player uses the cannons, Koopa considers that cheating, and the player does not receive the Power Star. However, using the warps is not considered cheating.
3	5 Silver Stars!	The player must collect the five Silver Stars scattered around the battlefield. In this mission, a Chain-Chomp is running loose with one of the Silver Stars at the end of its chain. This Star does not appear in the original, replacing Shoot to the Island in the Sky.
4	Big Bob-omb's Revenge	The player has to fight the Big Bob-omb one last time, but this time the player must pick him up and throw him three times. Yoshi cannot fight him this time, unless he uses caps. If the player throws the Big Bob-omb off the mountain, he does not count the throw. This Star does not appear in the original.
5	Mario Wings to the Sky	The player has to fly straight through the middle of the coin circles in the sky, collecting all five middle coins. If the player is not playing as Mario, the coins can still be collected via cannon.
6	Find the 8 Red Coins	The player has to collect all eight Red Coins scattered around the battlefield.
7	Behind Chain-Chomp's Gate	The player has to unleash the Chain-Chomp by ground-pounding the stump it is chained to. If the player is Luigi, he can simply run through the cage with his Power Flower power to get the Star without having to do anything to the Chain-Chomp, and the stump can be ground-pounded only once as Wario or if any character eats a mushroom that is inside a Brick.

Proposer: Altendo (talk)
Deadline: December 8, 23:59 GMT December 20, 2023 23:59 GMT

Change all level tables

1. Altendo (talk) I think this will make it more clear on what character requirements are required to complete each mission.
2. DrippingYellow (talk) Per proposer.
3. SolemnStormcloud (talk) Per proposal.
4. Power Flotzo (talk) Per all.
5. ThePowerPlayer (talk) Per all.

Comments

Psst. Talk page proposals last two weeks, not two days. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 09:06, December 6, 2023 (EST)

@Altendo I agree that this arrangement is a lot more pleasing, but personally I think it would look better if you used the cap sprites from the Touch Screen map (), rather than shrunken-down official renders. I'd also make the checkmarks and such 16px, since that's the width of the cap sprites, and put the "|center" tag in the image links to make them look better. Like so:

Courses
#	Mission	How to get the Star	Yoshi	Mario	Luigi	Wario
1	Big Bob-omb on the Summit	Yoshi has to go to the top of the mountain and fight the Big Bob-omb to obtain the Power Star. To do this, Yoshi must slurp Bob-ombs and spit them at him, while the other player characters must pick them up and throw them back at him.
2	Footrace with Koopa the Quick	The player has to race up the mountain against Koopa the Quick. If the player uses the cannons, Koopa considers that cheating, and the player does not receive the Power Star. However, using the warps is not considered cheating.
3	5 Silver Stars!	The player must collect the five Silver Stars scattered around the battlefield. In this mission, a Chain-Chomp is running loose with one of the Silver Stars at the end of its chain. This Star does not appear in the original, replacing Shoot to the Island in the Sky.
4	Big Bob-omb's Revenge	The player has to fight the Big Bob-omb one last time, but this time the player must pick him up and throw him three times. Yoshi cannot fight him this time, unless he uses caps. If the player throws the Big Bob-omb off the mountain, he does not count the throw. This Star does not appear in the original.
5	Mario Wings to the Sky	The player has to fly straight through the middle of the coin circles in the sky, collecting all five middle coins. If the player is not playing as Mario, the coins can still be collected via cannon.
6	Find the 8 Red Coins	The player has to collect all eight Red Coins scattered around the battlefield.
7	Behind Chain-Chomp's Gate	The player has to unleash the Chain-Chomp by ground-pounding the stump it is chained to. If the player is Luigi, he can simply run through the cage with his Power Flower power to get the Star without having to do anything to the Chain-Chomp, and the stump can be ground-pounded only once as Wario or if any character eats a mushroom that is inside a Brick.

- DrippingYellow (talk) 13:20, December 6, 2023 (EST)

Honestly, I don't think this needs a proposal at all. If you have a way to improve the tables, just do it, and see if anyone has any problems with it. If they do, address them. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 09:55, December 12, 2023 (EST)

Just for future maintenance's sake I'd rather keep repetition of checkmarks than rowspan them. Mario^-HOHO! (Talk / Stalk) 02:48, December 16, 2023 (EST)

I wholeheartedly agree. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:12, December 17, 2023 (EST)