Talk:Worlds A-C human

What to do about the unresolved identity of Worlds A-C human

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Current time: Thursday, January 30, 2025, 14:30 GMT

The identity of the caricature at the end of Worlds A, B, and C of All Night Nippon: Super Mario Bros. has been a pretty long-standing mystery, before we even split them to their own page. Presently, the article only mentions the hypothesis that it's Tsuruko Shofukutei, who was also the host of a Saturday night show (the phrasing on the current article is unclear if it was All Night Nippon, and due to the source's language barrier, we can't tell which one it is); however, we've seen another source instead hypothesize one Goro Itoi, a former host of All Night Nippon who passed away back in 1984. Given the eyebrows and nose, as well as the secretive nature of his presence/the fact he is confirmed to be a former host, we can believe it personally, even though it also lacks any confirmation.

Short of contacting All Night Nippon staff and asking who it's supposed to be--an action that only works if they themselves even remember, mind you--we can only really speculate for the time being. So, uh, with two distinct hypotheses and a lack of answers, what do we do in the meantime? We'd like to pitch 2 distinct things:

• Adding the Goro Itoi hypothesis to the article: Self-explanatory. Either in tandem with, or replacing, the Tsuruko Shofukutei hypothesis.
• Adding the new {{Lost}} template: At more of a stretch, given we know this has to be, a person, but we don't know who, we think this is suitable for considering "lost" for the time being.

Proposer: Camwoodstock (talk)
Deadline: February 10, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Acknowledge both the Tsuruko Shofukutei and Goro Itoi hypotheses, append {{Lost}}

1. Camwoodstock (talk) Secondary option, but it's listed first as it's the maximal case. While it feels weird to call the identity of a person "lost media" in the traditional sense, the term "lost media" has been a term used before when describing other such "know what it is, but missing the identity" cases, such as the origin of the Backrooms image, or more relevant, the "Celebrity No. 6" case.
2. Rykitu (talk) Per proposal.
3. EvieMaybe (talk) seems reasonable!

#SolemnStormcloud (talk) The Backrooms and Celebrity No. 6 comparisons seem fair to me. Per proposal.

Same as above, do NOT append {{Lost}}

1. Camwoodstock (talk) Primary option, and to be honest, we don't even think this is particularly controversial. The only reason we're putting this to proposal is because we could see the addition/exclusion of the {{Lost}} template as being controversial.
2. Hewer (talk) This is admittedly the first I'm hearing of the "Lost" template, but based on its text it seems to be for works that are unavailable rather than characters we don't know the name of.
3. Jdtendo (talk) I would not refer to missing information about a character as "lost media". It's not like there ever was an official confirmation of the character's identity that has been lost to time. Other than that, both hypotheses seem credible enough to be in the article.
4. Ahemtoday (talk) I'd definitely consider this more similar to a conjectural name than lost media.
5. Waluigi Time (talk) Per all, there's a difference between lost media and information we just don't have.
6. Axii (talk) Per all.
7. EvieMaybe (talk) secondary choice, per Jdtendo and Waluigi Time

#SolemnStormcloud (talk) Secondary choice; per all.

Status Quo (Do not mention Goro Itoi hypothesis, keep Tsuruko Shofukutei hypothesis)

1. Platform (talk) - Tsuruko Shofukutei was by far the most popular host for All Night Nippon at the time of his departure. The sprite clearly matches his haircut and nose. Goro Itoi left the show five years before the release of the game. Itoi's show was pure music, there was very little talking or any other content. Listeners didn't get to know him much. Tsuruko's show was filled with dirty jokes and listeners got to know his personality. His show was also the longest lasting until he left. Sydlexia's webpage is the source of all the Itoi hypothesis but there's nothing to back it up. It even advocates Tamori as the inspiration for the Pakkun OkaP, because he clearly did not have access to the manual and was just guessing.
2. SolemnStormcloud (talk) Per Platform.

Comments (I'm having an identity crisis!!)

I think you forgot to label this as a proposal. Rykitu

Whoops. Added that! ~Camwoodstock (talk) 20:35, January 27, 2025 (EST)

I find it interesting that this same page also attributes Pakkun OkaP to be a cameo of this ANN host called Tamori, rather than Sunplaza Nakano like our wiki states. The page also states that everyone but Goro Itoi is listed in the manual, so that means Tamori has to be listed in the manual as well, right? Can anyone verify that, or is this a mistake? rend (talk) (edits) 12:33, January 28, 2025 (EST)

considering the Nakano enemy is named OkaP, i think it's fair to assume both OkaPs are Sunplaza. i have no idea where the linked page got the idea that the piranha plants are Tamori. — eviemaybe (talk / contributions) 16:14, January 28, 2025 (EST)

I think they were likening the white bits on top of Pakkun OkaP's head to Tamori's short hair, even though the sprite shows no white on the sides of the head, and overall matches closer to Sunplaza's artwork than the OkaP sprite does. rend (talk) (edits) 05:25, January 29, 2025 (EST)

Tamori is not in the manual. It clearly states that it is Sunplaza Nakano, which led me to doubt Sydlexia's Itoi conjecture. Kikai, who holds the world's largest collection of Mario memorabilia and contributes articles for Nintendo DREAM, was the first to suggest Tsuruko and I have to agree. Tsuruko is a shock jock in the mold of Nakano and Howard Stern. He has recurring segments, bits, and guests come on his show. Itoi's program was the opposite. Itoi simply announce the title of the next song he would play and then air the vinyl. There was no other content to his show. It seems ridiculous that the programmers of the game would skip the most popular host in ANN's history up to that point to give tribute to a more obscure host that retired five years earlier.--Platform (talk) 07:55, January 29, 2025 (EST)

Out of curiosity, can you vouch if Tsuruko Shofukutei was on All Night Nippon at any point? A large portion of our skepticism for that hypothesis admittedly comes from the fact that the sources are unclear if he was part of the cast thanks to the inherit language barrier. ~Camwoodstock (talk) 14:06, January 29, 2025 (EST)