Talk:Super Princess

Seems like this form is just a variation of the Fire Form. The Show itself takes a lot of liberties with the Fire form, and it's often triggered by the Starman (and Fire Flower in other occasions), so the "super powerful, invincible" form in the Show has been generally conflated with Fire Mario. For instance, in The Unzappables, Mario is in this form to break free (like Peach here), and his transforms into this via Starman. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 16:57, January 27, 2024 (EST)

Merge to Fire Mario

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Merge to Fire Mario 9-0
While Toadstool has never been shown to throw fireballs, this form is, for all intents and purposes, the catch-all "Super Mario" form that's merged to Fire Mario. At the time, the show decided that Fire Mario is the Getafix potion-esque* super strength form (they even briefly look buff in Elvin Lives) by showing Mario, Luigi, and Toad not only throwing fireballs but also breaking down walls (The Great Gold Coin Rush), destroying whatever is bound to them (The Unzappables, Pirates of Koopa, Mario and Joliet), flapping their arms to fly (Brooklyn Bound), and whatnot. This is further illustrated by what triggers the form: both Fire Flowers (The Bird! The Bird!) and Superstars (Pirates of Koopa, 20,000 Koopas Under the Sea) commonly transform these characters (wand in Do You Princess Toadstool Take this Koopa...?, electrocution in Bad Rap, Excalibur, and magic doodad).

This shouldn't be split due to the liberties the show takes with the form. If there is a case against the merge, it should be a case for a split of separate article, say, "Super Mario (The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!)" from Fire Mario. However, this form is recognizable as Fire Mario due to its coloration, transformation from a Fire Flower, and common ability to shoot fire, so I don't recommend a split. Either way, this article shouldn't stay, and it should be in the same page as the other super forms, on the Fire Mario article.

If this proposal passes, the Super Princess article will change to a disambiguation page between the Super Mario form (from the games), Super Princess Peach, and the Fire Mario form.

*_{Asterix note: Other Americans will probably not get this reference so bear with me.}

Proposer: Mario (talk)
Deadline: February 12, 2024, 23:59 GMT

Support merge to Fire Mario

1. Mario (talk) See a quick list on Fire Mario's page showing a rundown of all the Fire Mario appearances. If you're not convinced, you'll see what I mean hopefully. Briefly pretend the "Trojan Horse" bullet point doesn't exist, I inserted that information while not realizing there was a separate page for this form.
2. Hewer (talk) Thought this was already merged but per proposal.
3. SolemnStormcloud (talk) Per proposal.
4. ThePowerPlayer (talk) Per proposal.
5. Camwoodstock (talk) Per proposal--this is yet another weird bit of wiki jank that only exists because of something from the 2000s-early 2010s that just never got questioned, so this is pretty overdue.
6. EvieMaybe (talk) per proposal
7. FanOfRosalina2007 (talk) Per proposal. It makes a lot of sense to merge this page with Fire Mario. Why it hasn't been done before now is a mystery to me.
8. Sparks (talk) Per proposal.
9. Archivist Toadette (talk) Per my four-and-a-half-year-old proposal on a similar situation. It's pretty much the same deal here, since as far as I know, Peach has never had any actual "distinct" power-up forms (Peach: Showtime! doesn't count).

Comments on "Merge to Fire Mario"

From what I can tell, this is one of those pages that's been around since the early days of the wiki and never really thought of until now. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 08:51, January 30, 2024 (EST)

Created in 2007 and edited very seldom since. You're on the money. ~Camwoodstock (talk) 22:48, January 31, 2024 (EST)

What about Toad Warrior? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:21, February 1, 2024 (EST)

A little iffy. I would say it's a discernible form in the show due to just how drastic of a change it is vs Peach getting strength and recolor like the other "Super" forms in the show. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 20:01, February 1, 2024 (EST)

Toad is actually shown to have a Super form akin to Mario and Luigi in the episode "The Fire of Hercufleas", so Toad Warrior is most likely a distinct form altogether. Though, Super Toad is shown to be transformed from a Fire Flower while Toad Warrior is transformed from a Starman, so at best, one could speculate that a Starman gives Toad a unique power while it has the same effect as a Fire Flower for everyone else (akin to how a Super Crown works for Toadette vs every other character in New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe)... unless there's another episode I'm missing in which Toad becomes Super Toad with a Starman. rend (talk) (edits) 09:11, February 3, 2024 (EST)

Considering the general lack of distinct continuity and differences in writing teams common in screwball DiC adaptations, I see that more akin to how Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog had two irreconcilably different "mermaids and Atlantis" episodes than a true indicator there was some plan of them being different. "Toad Warrior" just seems to be a way to make the power-up fit the episode's aesthetic. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 11:40, February 3, 2024 (EST)

Considering the episode the Toad Warrior appears in is entitled "Toad Warriors", it actually makes me think that the writer for this episode wanted to make Toad a vigilante biker and wrote a Mad Max-themed episode around it, instead of the other way around (writing a Mad Max-themed episode and making Toad's Super form a vigilante biker because it fit the aesthetic more) like you're saying. I certainly don't recall there's another instance where a character's Super form was named and looks differently just to fit the episode's theming more, so if that's what happened with Toad Warrior, then it's certainly a unique case.
Now it's true that "Toad Warriors" and "The Fire of Hercufleas" had different writers, so it's possible that Toad Warrior is a different interpretation of a "Super Toad", but what makes me think these are separate power-ups aside from aesthetics is that "The Fire of Hercufleas" was in production earlier than "Toad Warriors" (meaning that a more standard Super Toad had been made first), that "The Fire of Hercufleas" was the next animated segment to air after "Toad Warriors" (meaning that the Toad Warrior still would be fresh into regular watchers' minds when Super Toad made its appearance), and most importantly, the Toad Warrior doesn't seem to have the same powers: IIRC, the Toad Warrior hasn't shown to have the power of flight or the ability to shoot fireballs like Super Mario or Super Luigi, whereas Super Toad does have those powers.
To be fair, Super Princess hasn't shown to have the powers of fire or flight either, but at least her name and appearance make it more apparent that this is the same power-up, whereas the Toad Warrior doesn't have that. rend (talk) (edits) 13:26, February 3, 2024 (EST)