Talk:Red Balloon

Rename to Red Balloon and split the variants that grant additional extra lives

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Rename and merge the green and blue ones 3-0-0-5-0
I think it's about time we address the organizational mess that is this article. First of all, "Red Balloon" has been the subject's most recent name for nearly a decade, so I propose we rename this article to Red Balloon. "But what about the green and blue balloons in the original trilogy?" you might ask. Well, I'd say we're better off splitting those into their own articles. There are several precedents for this after all (1-Up Mushrooms and 3-Up Moons, as well as some coins that grant different coin values). Really, I think those links speak for themselves, and that this page needs an organizational overhaul.

Proposer: Toadette the Achiever (talk)
Deadline: July 30, 2019, 23:59 GMT

Do both actions

1. Toadette the Achiever (talk) Per proposal.
2. Waluigi Time (talk) Makes sense to me.
3. FanOfYoshi (talk) If it cones with an identifier, sure. I also support splitting the other.

#Obsessive Mario Fan (talk) My personal preference.

Rename this page and merge the other variants into Blue Balloon and Green Balloon, respectively

1. Toadette the Achiever (talk) I'm fine with this option too.
2. Doomhiker (talk) Per the comments below.
3. LinkTheLefty (talk) Yes, per below.
4. 7feetunder (talk) Per others' comments and my own.
5. Obsessive Mario Fan (talk) This works better.

Comments

Would this take priority over the other Red Balloon? -- FanOfYoshi 13:34, July 16, 2019 (EDT)

Yes. ^(T|C) 13:59, July 16, 2019 (EDT)

I'd prefer it to come with an identifier, since i don't think this should have priority over the other Red Balloon. Is it a proper name? -- FanOfYoshi 14:01, July 16, 2019 (EDT)

Pretty sure in-game names take priority over guide names. TheDarkStar 14:03, July 16, 2019 (EDT)

If there is an inconsistency between the game and its guide, right? -- FanOfYoshi 14:05, July 16, 2019 (EDT)

That doesn't matter. In-game names take priority over guide names, so the balloon that gives extra lives doesn't need an identifier, while the balloon Yoshi flies around on in two levels does. TheDarkStar 14:08, July 16, 2019 (EDT)

Note that both the split green and blue balloons should share identifiers with the current Blue Balloon and Green Balloon articles, as they are considerably more important than our current Red Balloon article. Doomhiker (talk) 14:20, July 16, 2019 (EDT)

@Doomhiker What do you mean by that? ^(T|C) 15:09, July 16, 2019 (EDT)

I mean that when the green and blue balloons are split both the new and old articles with the same names should both get (different) identifiers, unlike with the Red Balloons as the modern and old blue and green balloons are close in importance. Doomhiker (talk) 15:18, July 16, 2019 (EDT)

Would the old green'n'blue be merged with he current ones, as despite the different purposes they have the same "chromatic arrangement" system? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:20, July 16, 2019 (EDT)

I think they should; I'd prefer that over splitting them to "Extra Life Balloon (blue/green)". Items change effects sometimes - Blue Coins went from being worth the same as a regular coin in SMB3 to being worth 5 coins in SM64 to being a finite collectible in Sunshine - so I don't think the changed effect in the later games is a problem. 16:23, July 16, 2019 (EDT)

I now agree. Plus they are in the same series, too. Doomhiker (talk) 21:11, July 16, 2019 (EDT)

I agree with merging the two to the existing Green Balloon and Blue Balloon articles, as they are named as such on page 15 of the Donkey Kong Country 3: Dixie Kong's Double Trouble Player's Guide, under Extra Life Balloons: "Extra Life Balloons come in three great flavors. Red Balloons give you one extra life, Green Balloons give you two and the elusive Blue Balloons give you three extra lives!" This example also demonstrates that Red Balloon isn't so much a "rename" of Extra Life Balloon but rather that Extra Life Balloon originally referred to all three types of balloons before they were repurposed (note that Cranky Kong's Shop sells Red Balloons in bundles). So I'd maybe also keep the Extra Life Balloon article separately, but shorten it to be about balloons as a whole from the original Country and Land trilogies or as a disambiguation page. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be an option in this proposal. LinkTheLefty (talk) 15:45, July 17, 2019 (EDT)