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== Backwards compatible games list ==

Is there a source for these games? they seem like randomly picked out games to me, and I see zero indication of games like ''[[Mario Kart 8 Deluxe]]'' or ''[[Super Mario Maker 2]]'' being absent on it. {{User:RealStuffMister/sig}} 16:08, January 16, 2025 (EST)
:The source is at the start of the section (and in the gallery) and the list is not exhaustive. {{User:LadySophie17/sig}} 16:09, January 16, 2025 (EST)
::I couldn't really find a list of games at the source, beyond what's in the backdrop of the games compatibility section (which already shows a lot less on my iPad screen than the current list on our wiki). That same section does state ''"Certain Nintendo Switch games may not be supported on or fully compatible with Nintendo Switch 2. '''Details will be shared on the Nintendo website at a later date'''"'', so I really doubt our current list is final anyway. {{User:Arend/sig}} 16:34, January 16, 2025 (EST)
:::Yeah, the image won't show up fully on some screens, which is why we uploaded the extracted, full image to the wiki. I can reword the section to make it clear these are just the ones confirmed at the moment. [[User:Technetium|Technetium]] ([[User talk:Technetium|talk]]) 16:43, January 16, 2025 (EST)
==''Poochy & Yoshi's Woolly World''==
Should we acknowledge the appearance of what appears to be a ''[[Poochy & Yoshi's Woolly World]]'' port for the original Nintendo Switch (the backward compatibility section in the Nintendo Switch 2 Direct featured new art of ''Woolly World'')? [[User:Nelsonic|Nelsonic]] ([[User talk:Nelsonic|talk]]) 22:00, April 2, 2025 (EDT)
:The Nintendo UK Direct displays a picture of Yoshi's Crafted World instead, so I think it would be best to treat this as a mistake/oddity unless a port of Woolly World ends up being confirmed as a real thing. {{User:Shy Guy on Wheels/sig}} 07:56, April 5, 2025 (EDT)
Could you maybe show a picture? {{User:Yoshi18/sig}} 07:39, April 5, 2025 (EDT)
[[File:Poochy & Yoshi's Woolly World NS.jpg|200px|thumb|left]]
:{{@|Yoshi18}} Here is an image. The port has been circled by a BlueSky user. Note how the art appears to merge two different variants of the normal box art. [[User:Nelsonic|Nelsonic]] ([[User talk:Nelsonic|talk]]) 12:09, April 5, 2025 (EDT)
I agree with {{@|Shy Guy on Wheels}} that we don't have to acknowledge it (since it's likely a mistake, since all other versions of the direct, not from America, show Yoshi's Crafted World instead) until it's officially confirmed. {{User:Yoshi18/sig}} 12:43, April 5, 2025 (EDT)

== Regarding the video game console generation categorization ==
To get this opinion out of the way first, I do not like the video game console generation system. I won't dwell on it here but to keep it short the system we know of today was largely created sometime in the mid-2000s by [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:List of citogenesis incidents#Terms that became real|various Wikipedia editors]]. In recent years it has been [https://www.timeextension.com/features/is-wikipedia-really-to-blame-for-video-game-console-generations criticized by several video game historians and researchers] as the numbered generation system is not widely understood due to its arbitrary nature.

With that out of the way, I want to ask about where the Nintendo Switch 2 even falls into regarding this? Currently on this wiki the [[Nintendo Switch]] is filed under "Eighth generation" but on Wikipedia it is both filed under "Eighth / Ninth" with the following note "The Switch has been compared and considered to compete with consoles of both the eighth and ninth generation by sources.". I have seen some attempt to categorize the Nintendo Switch 2 under the "Ninth" but where did that come from? That sort of leads into how we even determine how this console generation system even works? Who even makes that call? I'm not quite sure the answer is sources on news sites since they often contradict each other regarding this. So what gives? --[[User:Bro3256|Bro3256]] ([[User talk:Bro3256|talk]]) 01:37, April 8, 2025 (EDT)
:For what it's worth, the "Ninth generation" point came from {{wp|History of video game consoles#Console history timeline by generation|The "History of video game consoles" page, on the "Console history timeline by generation" table.}} That being said, with the console not even out yet, it's kind of hard to say what exactly the generation it belongs to even is... Fundamentally, though, no matter what we do, it's going to be fairly arbitrary, because the original system itself is ''already'' arbitrary, and if we choose to not follow it for the Switch 2, well, that's an additional arbitrary decision on top of that. Trying to come up with some decision for what console generation the Switch 2 belongs to without it being "arbitrary" to some degree is kind of fundamentally impossible. {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 02:25, April 11, 2025 (EDT)

The way we use game generations is the generation the console debuted in. So the Switch debuted in the Eight generation so we will only labeled it as “Eight generation” because it’s an Eight generation console. Cause let’s just admit; The Switch is nowhere as powerful as the PS5 and Xbox Series X (which ''do'' belong to the Ninth Generation). Even though the Switch also competes with Ninth Generation consoles. How Wikipedia wants to label the console generations is their own business, but we've already chosen how we would do it. This "video game console generation categorization" thing was also discussed in the [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/75#Use the cross-generation data for the video game console generation label|proposal]] and it was voted that we should just categorize console generations for the console generation in which the console debuted in. I'm not gonna remove the "Talk" template yet (someone else can decide if they remove it after my explanation) but I hope this makes the situation more clear. {{User:Yoshi18/sig}} 14:54, April 13, 2025 (EDT)