Talk:Cobrat

So, where does the picture come from? It's not in the manual. The manual looks more like the NES sprite in that it has a different body design (ie. not "wavey") and different pot. Is it from All-Stars? Maybe back from Doki Doki Panic? It looks old-ish. LinkTheLefty 12:14, 28 August 2009 (EDT)

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Are we sure that the Cobrats that appear in Mario Pinball Land and Mario Kart 7 aren't just generic snakes? Hello, I'm Time Turner. 15:44, 12 October 2016 (EDT)

Questioned this too. Seems like something that's made up. Mario^-HOHO! (Talk / Stalk) 00:22, 15 October 2016 (EDT)

Snakes in Mario Kart 7 / Tour are just generic snakes, not Cobrats

Is that any source for the generic snakes in Shy Guy Bazar being Cobrats and not just generic Snakes? If they wanted them to be Cobrats, they would have colored them red and white like in official artwork, instead of generic green. --5.91.110.189 17:27, November 15, 2019 (EST)

I agree. Those snakes from Mario Kart 7 and Mario Kart Tour look completely different compared to the Cobrats from Super Mario Bros. 2, as do the jars the respective serpents hide in. Moreover, if they are indeed Cobrats, one would think Mario Kart Tour would've called the jars they're in "Cobrat jars" instead of "Snake jars". Like how the crabs are still referred to as "Sidesteppers".
Stuff like this needs a source. Does the Prima guide refer these snakes as Cobrats or something? Are we sure this isn't speculation from a wiki user? Arend (talk) 09:30, December 23, 2019 (EST)

I agree that the Mario Kart information should be removed, but from what I see, the Mario Pinball snakes are clearly based on the SMB2 Cobrat sprites, in that they have the same upright posture and angry eye-pupils. The only difference is that they're green and not red.

EDIT: My message is also a response to the conversation above this one, which considers the pinball snakes as different from Cobrats.

-- KOOPA CON CARNE 09:49, December 23, 2019 (EST)

I agree that the Pinball snake is assuredly Cobrat - it's the same design that comes out of jars modeled after the original ones, the only difference being that it's green and has a behavior difference in that it doesn't spit bullets (which probably just wasn't the plan for this type of game). The Japanese "Cobra" is an alternate name used for Super Mario USA material, based on the western name (note that the game is also western-developed). The Mario Kart Snake is odd in that it's green but otherwise a different design, and it comes out of similar jars ("Snake jars"). If it were an obstacle found in other courses then one can take it as a generic snake, but it's exclusive to Shy Guy Bazaar, which is chock full of references. If nothing else, I think the Snake should at least be mentioned here, despite not being explicitly Cobrat. LinkTheLefty (talk) 09:40, December 24, 2019 (EST)

I see a suggestion to use "Snake jar" as its own article. How about using the "main" template in the Mario Kart series section to direct to the article and mostly describing the sprite cameo in Shy Guy Bazaar here? LinkTheLefty (talk) 09:40, March 10, 2020 (EDT)

The Mario Kart ones don't even look like them, they could be decorations of the level, and just a generic animal. -- FanOfYoshi 09:41, March 10, 2020 (EDT)

I get that, but it's still taking the original Cobrat's schtick of hiding in a similar jar. LinkTheLefty (talk) 09:46, March 10, 2020 (EDT)

The whole snakes hiding in jars thing may be a reference to snake charming, in which the snake charmers often keep their snake in a basket or pot. While there's similarities with the snake jars and Cobrats in jars, the former does not have to be a direct reference to the latter. Arend (talk) 13:02, March 15, 2020 (EDT)

I get that too, and I understand that changing Cobrat's coloration to green in a previous game could, in fairness, be circumstantial. Here's the thing: if these snakes came out of different objects or appeared in a different course, I might be fully on board. The problem is twofold: first, the objects that these snakes come out of are clearly based on, and named after, the jars used by Cobrat. Second, the course that these snake jars appear in, in both appearances, is Shy Guy Bazaar. The theme of the course itself is a massive reference to Yume Kōjō: Doki Doki Panic, and among the sprites making a decorative cameo appearance is Cobrat. This tells me that the developers were aware of the original enemy when designing the course. Even if it's probably more of a replacement than a derivative, it doesn't hurt in the slightest to use a main template for the section. LinkTheLefty (talk) 11:25, March 16, 2020 (EDT)