Talk:Super Hammer (move)

In battle?

In the English version, the name "Spin Hammer" only refers to the field move? Apparently, in the Japanese version, the attack based on this move is also referred to as such, while the English version calls it just "Super Hammer" for some reason. It might be worth moving the battle info here, at least once the remake comes out. Blinker (talk) 16:57, December 14, 2023 (EST)

Or, we wait and see if they even keep Super Hammer or they rename it for the English remake. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 09:56, December 17, 2023 (EST)

Right, hence the "at least once the remake comes out". Although, even if they keep the "Super Hammer" name, that doesn't really change much, it just means they didn't change that particular translation choice. Blinker (talk) 11:50, December 17, 2023 (EST)

Did they still call this Spin Hammer or did they rename it in the remake? PrincessPeachFan (talk) 08:56, May 29, 2024 (EDT)

Huh? It seems both the field move and attack are called "Super Hammer" (or "Super-Hammer", as the case may be) in English in both the original and remake. Where does the name "Spin Hammer" come from? Blinker (talk) 10:39, May 29, 2024 (EDT)

Okay, the name "Spin Hammer" appears nowhere in this text dump of the game, only "Super Hammer"/"Super-Hammer" does. Well then. In that case I suggest moving this page to "Super Hammer (move)" and move the attack info here. Blinker (talk) 11:29, May 29, 2024 (EDT)

Move attack info here and rename to Super Hammer (move)

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This is a bit confusing, but I'll try to explain it well.

• From what I've seen, the name "Spin Hammer" is never used in-game. The field move is always called "Super Hammer" in English, the same name as the attack.
• However, in most (possibly all?) other languages (Japanese, Chinese, French, German, Italian, Korean, Spanish), both the field move and the attack use a different name from that of the hammer. Always something along the lines of "Spin Hammer".
• This proposal aims to rename this article to "Super Hammer (move)", as that is the name of the move in the English translation, and move coverage of the attack here as well.

	Item	Field move	Attack
English	Super Hammer
Japanese Chinese French German Italian Korean Spanish	Super Hammer	Spin Hammer / Top Hammer / Whirl Strike / Hammer Spin

EDIT: I have added a second option which would also merge the badge/attack Spin Smash from Paper Mario, at Pseudo's request (thanks for pointing it out). That move is mostly identical to its TTYD equivalent. They both cost 2FP to execute, and involve spinning a hammer to knock the enemy in front at those behind it, dealing 1 point of damage to them. Not only that, but they also have similar (though not identical) Japanese and French names, and the same German name. You can certainly make the case that the move was renamed for consistency with the Hammer and Ultra Hammer moves.

Proposer: Blinker (talk)
Deadline: June 13, 2024, 23:59 GMT

Support (but don't merge Spin Smash)

1. Blinker (talk) Per proposal.
2. MegaBowser64 (talk) Perpro posal!
3. PrincessPeachFan (talk) Sure.
4. Pseudo (talk) Second choice, per proposal.

Support (and merge Spin Smash)

1. Blinker (talk) Second choice.
2. Pseudo (talk) Preferred choice, as these are essentially the same thing.
3. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) P e r p r o p o s a l !

Comments

I'm guessing that this article was called Spin Hammer because of the fact it involves Mario spinning around with his hammer. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 10:52, May 30, 2024 (EDT)

While I broadly support this proposal, I also want to point out that Spin Smash from Paper Mario is a virtually identical attack to the Super Hammer move, though it can’t be used in the overworld and its Japanese name is different (though both include "Kaiten"). Perhaps this page could be included in the merge as well, at least as an option for this proposal? -- Pseudo (talk, contributions) 10:57, May 30, 2024 (EDT)

Also, what of the similar Ultra Hammer move, which is a direct upgrade to this one in the overworld but a distinct, stronger one in battles? If the Super Hammer move is getting its own article, the Ultra Hammer move should too. -- Pseudo (talk, contributions) 11:06, May 30, 2024 (EDT)

Regarding Spin Smash, sure. I have added the option. As for Ultra Hammer, I do want to split that as well, but I feel like that's a whole other can of worms (I would also like to split "Hammer" the move from "Hammer" the item, in the same way "Jump" is split from "Boots", since all Hammer items can be used to perform the regular Hammer attack, and the regular Hammer item can perform many different Hammer attacks, so the item and the move are definitely not the same subject). The Super Hammer is a more straightforward split due to the naming differences, so that's why I went with it first. I'm thinking of maybe making a separate proposal for the others later though. What do you think? Blinker (talk) 11:19, May 30, 2024 (EDT)

Sounds sensible to me. -- Pseudo (talk, contributions) 12:12, May 30, 2024 (EDT)

Woah, woah, woah. Now I have to think on whether I want "Spin Smash" included in the merge or not! EDIT: Ok, thought about it, and changed my vote. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 12:30, May 30, 2024 (EDT)