PipeProject talk:Super Smash Bros.

I'm pretty sure I finished all the items YoshiFan 22:04, 12 February 2007 (EST) A hopeful fan of Yoshi

What's the prize in Trophy Tussle 1? ^{Plumber, darkgreen}

Goomba. YoshiFan

Hyrule Temple or just Temple?

I probably will create an article about the Hyrule Temple stage, What should it be, Hyrule Temple or just plain 'ol temple?

Xzelion^ETC

Hyrule Temple. ^{Plumber, darkgreen}

okay Xzelion^ETC

For Those In Need of Help

This is for anyone who needs help finding anything ^{Plumber, darkgreen}

I find www.Detstar.com more better. Isyou 21:17, 9 March 2007 (EST)

Ok, if anyone needs help, use them both. ^{Plumber, darkgreen}

Joining Question?

How exactly do I join this project. I don't fully understand how? (don't mock me). - Pokemon DP

Well, this is why being member of a pipe project isn't such a big deal. Anyone can join by themselves. Just edit this page and add your name to the list, and you're a member. You don't get anything for being a member though. Pointless is you ask me.

What's more important is that you actually work for the project's goals, and that's what you're doing already, isn't it? - Cobold (talk · contribs) 05:03, 31 May 2007 (EDT)

Special Moves Template?

Should there be a template for all special moves, too? There are templates for special moves for other games already. The problem is, SSBM has a total of 26 characters (including Sheik), which would be quite messy too handle with a template. What do you think? - Cobold (talk · contribs) 08:07, 2 June 2007 (EDT)

That would be a great idea. I was thinking about that myself. But, you should make seperate Templates that cover each characters attacks, instead of putting everyone into one Template. Or, you could split the Templates depending on what series they came from. Like, you could have one with Mario Bros. Series, with the original 4 characters, then underneath the 7 from Melee, but don't do Brawl yet. Just a few ideas. Tell me what you think about them - My Bloody Valentine

I think it would be a bit confusing to split it into those slightly undefined parts. Also, I'm right now thinking only about a template for Melee. I guess we can make show-hide terms (as in {{Racecourses}}) to "shorten" the template a bit. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 04:58, 3 June 2007 (EDT)

I guess so. Well, maybe you should just list it as e.g., Mario, Luigi, Yoshi, DK and then list all of their attacks from both games, and then under you list the next three new characters, Peach, Bowser and Dr. Mario and list their attacks. Would that be a bit "cleaner". - My Bloody Valentine

It still would be a problem. You can't really define into which series you want to split. I mean, Mario series has 7 characters, Zelda has 5, Pokémon has 4 characters , all other have <= 2 characters, it would become unhandy creating templates for those "minor" ones. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 05:06, 3 June 2007 (EDT)

Hmmm you do have a point. Well, I'm out of all but one idea. Just put all the original 12 characters on the top part of the Template, and put the extra 14 underneath. Just hope that you will be able to fit it in. If you can't fit character names, then just shorten them e.g. C. Falcon, or DK. - My Bloody Valentine

Righto, I'll see what can be done. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 05:14, 3 June 2007 (EDT)

I'd like to help you in anyway I can. Unfortunately, I do not know how to make a Template, but if there is anything I can help you with, please tell me. Super Smash Bros. Melee is my absolute FAVORITE game after all. - My Bloody Valentine

The Templates have been created - see Template:SSB moves and Template:SSBM moves. Anyone seeing a move article can add the right template to it. We also need to discuss how to handle Final Smashes. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 06:44, 3 June 2007 (EDT)

OK, you need help on the Final Smashes. Hmm, my advice is not to worry about that until closer to Super Smash Bros. Brawl's release. We only know of one Officially named Final Smash, so why worry right now. Just wait and relax, you've done enough work on these two Templates. - My Bloody Valentine

Yoshi's Story stage

Do you think that the stage "Yoshi's Story" should have a seperate article from Yoshi's Island (location)? - Cobold (talk · contribs) 08:19, 2 June 2007 (EDT)

Yes, it should have its own article. Xzelion^ETC

Attacks?

Hey, shouldn't there be a section in this PipeProject about the attacks that the characters use? - My Bloody Valentine

That'd be good. Xzelion^ETC

I think Isyou has made many attacks, such as Chef. ^Plumber

Er, yes. What does that tell us...? - Cobold (talk · contribs) 12:01, 24 June 2007 (EDT)

Help

Can I do the moves page? Just that the SSBM template doesn't work! --MarioBros777 00:13, 30 June 2007 (EDT)

What are you talking about? The Template works fine. My Bloody Valentine

The SSBM template does not exist anymore. There's now only one template for all special moves, {{SSB moves}}, which is for SSB, SSBM and SSBB. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 04:13, 30 June 2007 (EDT)

can i help im new here vruet1 10:06 july 27 2007

Welcome here! A little tip: when you want to sign on a talk page you can just type ~~~~. The tildes will be automatically changed to your username, a link to your page, and the time you posted. About help, you can always help! Nothing is holding you back putting your name on the members list on this page. The only work to do currently is watching smashbros.com's daily updates, and update the corresponding articles. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 11:25, 27 July 2007 (EDT)

Character infobox

I am working on an infobox for Smash Bros. characters. They should give a quick overview over the character's game appearances and special moves. It should also show a picture of the character and their emblem, which would also remove the emblem from the top of the page, which has been complained about justifiedly by ♥♪!? (talk). - Cobold (talk · contribs) 13:11, 19 July 2007 (EDT)

The result can be seen here: {{SSB fighter infobox}} They would replace the emblems on the top of the pages. Should I start using them? - Cobold (talk · contribs) 14:38, 19 July 2007 (EDT)

Good job. The moves section on the page was a bit messy, but what is so wrong with the Emblems at the top of the page? Either way, good job, I say use them. All I need is your OK, and I will put them on the pages ;) My Bloody Valentine

Too Many Infoboxes

Isn't an infobox for each game mechanic of a secondary-importance series overdoing it? Wa _T^C_@^Y 22:33, 20 July 2007 (EDT)

No, you just don't like Super Smash Bros. My Bloody Valentine

::Are you talking about {{SSB fighter infobox}} or the navigation templates? For the infobox, it just creates an overview over what we would otherwise say in the text in the article. The special moves, the picture etc. would all be there anyway. And there has been a complaint about the emblems at the top of the pages. That's why I created the infobox. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 04:13, 21 July 2007 (EDT)

Yeah. The Infobox is good, leave it alone. Cobold did a good job on it, so leave it as is. My Bloody Valentine

::If you were talking about the navigation templates, I suggest you to have a look on {{Yoshi}}, {{YoshiGames}}, {{YI levels}}, {{Yoshis}}, {{Yoshi Story}} and the likes. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 04:20, 21 July 2007 (EDT)

And, looking at your Importance Policy, it does not matter in terms of "overdoing" what importance a series has:

There are no penalities for making articles in one series than another. However, we do encourage more editing in the primary focus articles than the secondary focus articles, as this is the Super Mario Wiki. Also, there are no article limits for any area of focus.

- Cobold (talk · contribs) 04:25, 21 July 2007 (EDT)

Okay, forget it. Just saw Template:SSB Item Infobox. Whoever created that might have done a good job adding them to the Formatting Templates category. Are there others around, too? I'll have to check that. That IS exceeding what I had in mind. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 04:31, 21 July 2007 (EDT)

Uh... Knife made the Item and Stage Infobox. My Bloody Valentine

The problem is, they do not have much to say. There isn't much official description about items and stages that you can utter like the Special Moves of the characters. Wayoshi is right, the boxes for items and stages are unneeded. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 04:39, 21 July 2007 (EDT)

OK, OK, I agree with that. My Bloody Valentine

Sorry that I didn't specify, but that's the issue, we're getting into the gritty details that are better in an article than an infobox, because that leaves the article with little else to comment on. Wa _T^C_@^Y 12:46, 21 July 2007 (EDT)

Stage Names

Should we keep the Stages names as it is, or change them to, for example, these:

• Hyrule: Temple
• Mushroom: Kingdom
• Eagleland: Onett
• Planet Zebes: Brinstar

Those are the actual names of the stages, according to SSBM, so, should we change them? My Bloody Valentine

The MediaWiki software has problems with the :, as far as I remember. We don't need to be super-accurate. It's ok to shorten them in my opinion. The game does it itself on the random stages select screen. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 04:43, 28 July 2007 (EDT)

OK. I wonder how Smashwiki uses the ":" then. Anyway, yeah, it would probably look stupid writing it as "Mushroom: Kingdom". OK, thanks. My Bloody Valentine

IMPORTANT QUESTION!

The characters like Shy Guys, Peppy Hare and others works att non-playable characters? Mr. Game & Watch

Yeah. ^Plumber

So...

For this to be finished, Brawl has to have revealed everything, correct? ^Plumber 03:17, 15 August 2007 (EDT)

Of course. It's on its way. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 04:59, 15 August 2007 (EDT)

This is sam519 and I have a question. Is The Ancient Minister a ROB? because in the story mode when you go to the i think its the bom factory? theres a scene with the ancient minister, ganondorf's red spirit and robs with bombs. The ancient minister gets beaten up by ROB's lasers and at one point he turns into a ROB? if anyone knows please tell me. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5833327120855200327&q=super+smash+bros.+brawl+bomb+scene&ei=SApmSIWEE4SSrgL9lYWPDg this link to see a video of him bursting into ROB. PS this movie is from thrawg111 so i give him credit. sam519

Melee Attacks

Yeah, so I looked through my old SSBM guide and found that every attack used by a character, not just the B ones, are named; so, should something be done about this or what? -- Sir Grodus

Really? GIVE ME ALL THE NAMES, PLEASE!!! :P Sorry, please tell me some of the names, I've been trying to find this for ages My Bloody Valentine

Here's Bowser's moves:

A Button: Left Scratch (2 - 5%)
A Button (second): Right Scratch (3 - 6%)
A (while dashing): Horn Charge (6 - 11%)
Left or Right + A: Koopa Knuckle (6 - 14%)
Up + A: Ceiling Scratch Floor (7 - 13%)
Down + A: Scratch (5 - 22%)
Smash Left or Right + A: Hammer Head (13 - 32%)
Smash Up + A: Shell Shock (6 - 27%)
Smash Down + A: Buzzsaw (1 - 27%)
A Button (in air): Gyroscope (7 - 13%)
Forward + A (in air): Jump Slash (7 - 14%)
Backward + A (in air): Spike Stretch
Up + A (in air): Horn Toss (4 - 13%)
Down + A (in air): Scrub Brush (1 - 15%)
Z or (R + A): Grab (0%)
A or Z (while holding): Bull Horns (1 - 3%)
Forward (while holding): Catapult (5 - 10%)
Backward (while holding): Reverse Throw (5 - 10%)
Up (while holding): Blender (1 - 9%)
(while holding): Bowser Slam (6 - 12%)

It also gives damage statistics. -- Sir Grodus

That sounds like Bowser's moves alright :P They sound awesome, but, making articles on each A move might be a bit much. Hmm... Let's see what others think. My Bloody Valentine

I agree. -- Sir Grodus

I HAVE A GREAT IDEA!!! SmashWiki is full of this stuff (I love that Wiki :)) Why don't we put a link to it. For example, put on Pikachu's page an external link to his articles on SmashWiki. We shouldn't focus on A Moves, but they can. What do you think? My Bloody Valentine

Can you give an example link? I'd rather check the quality of this SmashWiki first. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 04:53, 17 August 2007 (EDT)

OK, here. This is Ness's bios from Melee. Please tell me how good it is. My Bloody Valentine While your at it, you should join :P I might join it soon.

So, did we ever find a solution to this? -- Sir Grodus

No, Cobold never responded. My Bloody Valentine COBOLD, RESPOND!!!!

These moves look too trivial for this wiki, though I was not satisfied with that SmashWiki. I don't know what to do, decide yourself. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 04:51, 28 August 2007 (EDT)

Well, they definately should not be linked out of this wiki. They could become articles if someone were to put some real effort into them. Otherwise they can just be listed in the SSB section of character articles. It is very interesting SSB trivia at the very least. -- Son of Suns

Question about the moves

We need a page for each especial move? That looks better and more complete in the character page.

Ps: What happens with Air Pump and Sword Slash?-- Mr.Game and Watch 14:21, 11 September 2007 (EDT)

The wiki's creator, Porplemontage, (or at least I guess it was him) decided that there are special articles on the wiki covering special moves. See the sidebar. Special moves are a separate section on the wiki and each can have a special article. However, Air Pump and Sword Slash were conjecturally named and not totally special moves to qualify for an article. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 14:25, 11 September 2007 (EDT)

The guide has the offical names, and is air pump MG&W A? If so, that's Greenhouse.

Super Smash Bros. Melee Art

Well, this is another character art but... what's better?-- Mr.Game and Watch 21:46, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

The other one. It has a similar background to the rest of the artwork, and it is the same size, so it fits better than this one does. My Bloody Valentine

I think this one looks nicer. And that isn't really artwork that much, this is true artwork. ^Plumber 06:11, 23 September 2007 (EDT)

Er, this artwork was ripped off of the other artwork we have. Which means, the other one we have is official, not this one. My Bloody Valentine

Removing Finished Stuff

This page is so long... we've finished almost everything, most things that are not crossed out should be, unless they're in Brawl. I'm going to remove all the finished stuff. ^Plumber

Actually, I'm going to wait until Brawl comes out first until cleaning up this page. ^Plumber 06:15, 23 September 2007 (EDT)

Yep, that's the basic problem of the PP. We cannot remove anything before Brawl comes out, so that we don't have to add it again later. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 06:36, 23 September 2007 (EDT)

Emblem information

As we now have the characters' emblems in the {{SSB fighter infobox}}, I don't think we need Trivia items or statements about the characters' emblems any more. I think they are too minor to take note of, especially when they're already shown as images. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 14:28, 11 October 2007 (EDT)

OK. My Bloody Valentine

I thought it was useful info, seeing that people may not know what a Triforce is. --Trogga 03:27, 22 October 2007 (EDT)

It's just an emblem. Not that important. My Bloody Valentine

I wasn't trying to bring the emblem info back; I was just voicing my personal opinion. --Trogga 03:52, 22 October 2007 (EDT)

Ah. My Bloody Valentine

I wanna join this project.

RAWR! I love Super Smash Bros. and I'd love to help improve the articles. The King of Spooks

There's no problem. Just add yourself to the list. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 14:03, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

Super Smash Bros. species

On this, do we put every species seen in the Smash trilogy, or...what?...

Mariofan132

The category.

Mariofan132

Every species which makes a notable appearance (trophy appearances don't count). - Cobold (talk · contribs) 12:39, 17 January 2008 (EST)

Mr. Game & Watch entrance confirmed...

Mr. Game & Watch VS Yoshi In that video, at the beggining, Mr.G&W's entrance is shown, but I can't explain it very well, somebody can edit the character template? -- Mr.Game and Watch 19:19, 1 February 2008 (EST)

Smash Wiki

Alexander Vince (talk) is currently adding a link to Smash Wiki on all Smash Bros. pages on the wiki. This sounds very much like advertisment. Should it be removed? - Cobold (talk · contribs) 11:18, 7 February 2008 (EST)

Well, if you think about it, some mario-related articles on wikipedia link to the mariowiki, which (usually) has more information. I don't think it's advertising (I mean, it's not like anybody's making money), it's just to say "If you want even more info, try looking here" sort of thing. Marcelagus (T • C • E)

Quotes?

Wouldn't it be a good idea to do Quote Sections for the characters? -Nintendofan146

Most, if not all quotes from Super Smash Bros. are like "Yes" and "Oh, sweet!", and those kind of quotes is banned from the wiki by a proposal. Doesn't sound like a good idea. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 05:17, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

I meant actual sentences or statements, like "Oh yeah! Yee hah!" or "Watch the power of Aura! Yahhhhhhhhh!"
The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nintendofan146 (talk).

The first still isn't notable, and in the second, the Yaaah! could be left out. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 12:55, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

Piece of Meta Knight Trivia!?

I edited Meta Knight's trivia to say that people have mistaken "fight me" as "bite me." Within seconds, it was gone! If somebody could do this for mii, it'll be much apperiated, as I don't know how to do those squares.
The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nintendofan146 (talk).

It was removed because it is not notable for the wiki. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 12:58, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

Open/Incomplete Codes

There are many open codes on the Sticker page (for the pictures) and it make this wiki look highly unprofessional. Here are examples

[[Image: ]] [[Image: |center]] [[Image:|90px|center]]

They need to GO. Should we just leave the area without a picture blank, or put some sort of don't have/ need image? Is there another solution? EnPeached 13:56, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

They should be blank until we get an image for them. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 13:56, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

Past Tense Talk

Many of the articles in this pipe project seem to talk as if the game hasn't been released yet. For example

The Pokéball will return in Super Smash Bros. Brawl.

This talks as if the game hasn't been released yet, but we have found out this info. This makes the wiki seem out of date. Should we change this? EnPeached 14:36, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

Yes, of course. These aritcles simply have not been updated yet since Brawl's release. Whenever I see an out-of-date one, I update it, but there are way too many to keep an eye on all of them. You can go ahead and fix every outdated info you find. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 15:45, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

Metal Mario non-playable?

From the article: Nonplayable [...]

• Metal Mario
• Metal Luigi

What exactly makes these characters non-playable? I could turn on my Wii, fire up Melee, go into Vs., use Item Switch to turn off everything but green ! boxes, and set up a fight between Mario and Luigi. In Brawl, I could go to Special Brawl and turn on all metal all the time. --Tepples 08:28, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

It says in the Metal Mario article that Metal Mario is playable in Meele is non-playable or playable using a metal box. For brawl, it says playable using a metal box. Thats the same thing isn't it? Clay Mario

They are listed nonplayable because their appearance as bosses is the only reason they have got an article (at least Metal Luigi). If they were only playable with the Metal Box, but not appear non-playable in the Adventure mode as well, it wouldn't be notable enough. Else, we should have Metal Link, Metal Samus, Metal Mr. Game & Watch etc. as well. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 13:42, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

Events

I think we really need to create pages about the individual events in Super Smash Bros. Melee and Brawl. I can kind of tell that there are a lot of people who are stuck on certain events because they don't know how to do it. We just need to create pages of different events, and even create a catergory called "Catergory:Events in SSB series".

SKmaric (talk)