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Proposals can be new features, the removal of previously-added features that have tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action is taken.
  • Voting periods last for two weeks, but can close early or be extended (see below).
  • Any autoconfirmed user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so.
  • All proposals must be approved by a majority of voters, including proposals with more than two options.
  • For past proposals, see the proposal archive and the talk page proposal archive.

If you would like to get feedback on an idea before formally proposing it here, you may do so on the proposals talk. For talk page proposals, you can discuss the changes on the talk page itself before creating the TPP there.

How to

If someone has an idea about improving the wiki or managing its community, but feel that they need community approval before acting upon that idea, they may make a proposal about it. They must have a strong argument supporting their idea and be willing to discuss it in detail with other users, who will then vote on whether or not they think the idea should be implemented. Proposals should include links to all relevant pages and writing guidelines. Proposals must include a link to the draft page. Any pages that would be largely affected by the proposal should be marked with {{proposal notice}}.

Rules

  1. Only autoconfirmed users may create or vote on proposals. Proposals can be created by one user or co-authored by two users.
  2. Anyone is free to comment on proposals (provided that the page's protection level allows them to edit).
  3. Proposals conclude at the end of the day (23:59) two weeks after voting starts (all times GMT).
    • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, the voting starts immediately and the deadline is two weeks later on Monday, August 15, at 23:59 GMT.
  4. Users may vote for more than one option, but they may not vote for every option available.
  5. Every vote should have a strong, sensible reason accompanying it. Agreeing with a previously mentioned reason given by another user is acceptable (including "per" votes), but tangential comments, heavy sarcasm, and other misleading or irrelevant quips are just as invalid as providing no reason at all.
  6. Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. Voters can remove or rewrite their own vote(s) at any time, but the final decision to remove another user's vote lies solely with the wiki staff.
    • Users can also use the comments section to bring up any concerns or mistakes in regards to the proposal itself. In such cases, it's important the proposer addresses any concerns raised as soon as possible. Even if the supporting side might be winning by a wide margin, that should be no reason for such questions to be left unanswered. They may point out any missing details that might have been overlooked by the proposer, so it's a good idea as the proposer to check them frequently to achieve the most accurate outcome possible.
  7. If a user makes a vote and is subsequently blocked for any amount of time, their vote is removed. However, if the block ends before the proposal ends, then the user in question holds the right to re-cast their vote. If a proposer is blocked, their vote is removed and "(blocked)" is added next to their name in the "Proposer:" line of the proposal, which runs until its deadline as normal. If the proposal passes, it falls to the supporters of the idea to enact any changes in a timely manner.
  8. Proposals cannot contradict an already ongoing proposal or overturn the decision of a previous proposal that concluded less than four weeks (28 days) ago.
  9. If one week before a proposal's initial deadline, the first place option is ahead of the second place option by eight or more votes and the first place option has at least 80% approval, then the proposal concludes early. Wiki staff may tag a proposal with "Do not close early" at any time to prevent an early close, if needed.
    • Tag the proposal with {{early notice}} if it is on track for an early close. Use {{proposal check|early=yes}} to perform the check.
  10. Any proposal where none of the options have at least four votes will be extended for another week. If after three extensions, no options have at least four votes, the proposal will be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
  11. If a proposal reaches its deadline and there is a tie for first place, then the proposal is extended for another week.
  12. If a proposal reaches its deadline and the first place option is ahead of the second place option by three or more votes, then the first place option must have over 50% approval to win. If the margin is only one or two votes, then the first place option must have at least 60% approval to win. If the required approval threshold is not met, then the proposal is extended for another week.
    • Use {{proposal check}} to automate this calculation; see the template page for usage instructions and examples.
  13. Proposals can be extended a maximum of three times. If a consensus has not been reached by the fourth deadline, then the proposal fails and cannot be re-proposed until at least four weeks after the last deadline.
  14. All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of an administrator, the proposer can ask for that help.
  15. After a proposal passes, it is added to the appropriate list of "unimplemented proposals" below and is removed once it has been sufficiently implemented.
  16. If the wiki staff deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to cancel it at any time.
  17. Proposals can only be rewritten or canceled by their proposer within the first four days of their creation. However, proposers can request that their proposal be canceled by a staff member at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it. Please note that canceled proposals must also be archived.
  18. Unless there is major disagreement about whether certain content should be included, there should not be proposals about creating, expanding, rewriting, or otherwise fixing up pages. To organize efforts about improving articles on neglected or completely missing subjects, try setting up a collaboration thread on the forums.
  19. Proposals cannot be made about promotions and demotions. Staff changes are discussed internally and handled by the bureaucrats.
  20. No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.
  21. Proposals must have a status quo option (e.g. Oppose, Do nothing) unless the status quo itself violates policy.

Basic proposal formatting

Copy and paste the formatting below to get started; your username and the proposal deadline will automatically be substituted when you save the page. Update the bracketed variables with actual information, and be sure to replace the whole variable including the square brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information" and not "[This is the inserted information]". Proposals presenting multiple alternative courses of action can have more than two voting options, but the objective(s) of each voting option must be clearly defined. Such options should also be kept to a minimum, and if something comes up in the comments, the proposal can be amended as necessary. 

===[insert a title for your proposal here]===
[describe what issue this proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the wiki handles that issue]

'''Proposer''': {{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}}<br>
'''Deadline''': {{subst:#time:F j, Y|+2 weeks}}, 23:59 GMT

====[option title (e.g. Support, Option 1)]: [brief summary of option]====
#{{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}} Per proposal.

====[option title (e.g. Oppose, Option 2)]: [brief summary of option]====

====Comments ([brief proposal title])====

Autoconfirmed users will now be able to vote on your proposal. Remember that you can vote on your own proposal just like the others.

To vote for an option, just insert #{{User|[your username here]}} at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on another user's proposal. If you are voting on your own proposal, you can simply say "Per proposal."

Poll proposal formatting

As an alternative to the basic proposal format, users may choose to create a poll proposal when one larger issue can be broken down into multiple sub-issues that can be resolved independently of each other. In a poll proposal, each option is its own mini-proposal with a deadline and Support/Oppose subheadings. The rules above apply to each option as if it were a its own two-option proposal: users may vote Support or Oppose on any number of options they wish, and individual options may close early or be extended separately from the rest. If an option fails to achieve quorum or reach a consensus after three extensions, then the status quo wins for that option by default. A poll proposal closes after all of its options have been settled, and no action is taken until then. If all options fail, then nothing will be done.

To create a poll proposal, copy and paste the formatting below to get started; your username and the option deadlines will automatically be substituted when you save the page. Update the bracketed variables with actual information, and be sure to replace the whole variable including the square brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information" and not "[This is the inserted information]". 

===[insert a title for your proposal here]===
[describe what issue this proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the wiki handles that issue]

'''Proposer''': {{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}}

====[option title (e.g. Option 1)]: [brief summary of option]====
'''Deadline''': {{subst:#time:F j, Y|+2 weeks}}, 23:59 GMT

;Support
#{{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}} Per proposal.

;Oppose

====[option title (e.g. Option 2)]: [brief summary of option]====
'''Deadline''': {{subst:#time:F j, Y|+2 weeks}}, 23:59 GMT

;Support
#{{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}} Per proposal.

;Oppose

====[option title (e.g. Option 3)]: [brief summary of option]====
'''Deadline''': {{subst:#time:F j, Y|+2 weeks}}, 23:59 GMT

;Support
#{{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}} Per proposal.

;Oppose

====Comments ([brief proposal title])====

Talk page proposals

Proposals concerning a single page or a limited group of pages are held on the most relevant talk page regarding the matter. All of the above proposal rules also apply to talk page proposals. Place {{TPP}} under the section's heading, and once the proposal is over, replace the template with {{settled TPP}}. Proposals dealing with a large amount of splits, merges, or deletions across the wiki should still be held on this page.

All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom) using {{ongoing TPP}}. Include a brief description of the proposal while also mentioning any pages affected by it, a link to the talk page housing the discussion, and the deadline. If the proposal involves a page that is not yet made, use {{fake link}} to communicate its title in the description. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links.

List of ongoing talk page proposals

Unimplemented proposals

Proposals

Break alphabetical order in enemy lists to list enemy variants below their base form, EvieMaybe (ended May 21, 2024)
Standardize sectioning for Super Mario series game articles, Nintendo101 (ended July 3, 2024)
^ NOTE: Not yet integrated for the Super Mario Maker titles and Super Mario Run.
Create new sections for gallery pages to cover "unused/pre-release/prototype/etc." graphics separate from the ones that appear in the finalized games, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 2, 2024)
Add film and television ratings to Template:Ratings, TheUndescribableGhost (ended October 1, 2024)
Use the classic and classic link templates when discussing classic courses in Mario Kart Tour, YoYo (ended October 2, 2024)
Clarify coverage of the Super Smash Bros. series, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended October 17, 2024)
Remove all subpage and redirect links from all navigational templates, JanMisali (ended October 31, 2024)
Prioritize MESEN/NEStopia palette for NES sprites and screenshots, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended November 3, 2024)
Allow English names from closed captions, Koopa con Carne (ended November 12, 2024)
^ NOTE: A number of names coming from closed captions are listed here.
Split off the Mario Kart Tour template(s), MightyMario (ended November 24, 2024)
Split major RPG appearances of recurring locations, EvieMaybe (ended December 16, 2024)
Organize "List of implied" articles, EvieMaybe (ended January 12, 2025)
Split Mario & Luigi badges and remaining accessories, Camwoodstock (ended February 1, 2025)
Merge Chef Torte and Apprentice (Torte), Camwoodstock (ended February 3, 2025)
Merge the Ancient Beanbean Civilizations to List of implied species, Camwoodstock (ended February 13, 2025)
Make about templates on New Super Mario Bros. U courses and New Super Luigi U courses link to each other instead of a disambiguation page, but keep the disambiguation page, Salmancer (ended February 21, 2025)
Merge intro/outro sections, rename Gameplay section to "Overview" for Mario Party minigame articles, ToxBoxity64 (ended March 1, 2025)

Talk page proposals

Split all the clothing, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 12, 2021)
Split machine parts, Robo-Rabbit, and flag from Super Duel Mode, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 30, 2022)
Make bestiary list pages for the Minion Quest and Bowser Jr.'s Journey modes, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended January 11, 2024)
Allow separate articles for Diddy Kong Pilot (2003)'s subjects, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended August 3, 2024)
Create articles for specified special buildings in Super Mario Run, Salmancer (ended November 15, 2024)
Expand and rename List of characters by game to List of characters by first appearance, Hewer (ended November 20, 2024)
Merge False Character and Fighting Polygon/Wireframe/Alloy/Mii Teams into List of Super Smash Bros. series bosses, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended December 2, 2024)
Merge Wiggler Family to Dimble Wood, Camwoodstock (ended January 11, 2025)
Split the Ink Bomb, Camwoodstock (ended January 12, 2025)
Create a catch-all Poltergust article, Blinker (ended January 21, 2025)
Merge Dangan Mario to Invincible Mario, PrincessPeachFan (ended January 30, 2025)
Give the Cluck-A-Pop Prizes articles, Camwoodstock (ended January 31, 2025)
Reverse the proposal to trim White Shy Guy, Waluigi Time (ended February 8, 2025)
Split Animal Crossing (game), Kaptain Skurvy (ended February 12, 2025)
Split the modes in the Battles page, Mario (ended February 15, 2025)
Tighten Category:Power-ups and its subcategories, SolemnStormcloud (ended February 27, 2025)

List of Talk Page Proposals

Writing Guidelines

None at the moment.

New features

None at the moment.

Removals

None at the moment.

Changes

Changes to the sub-series sections

On the Mario (series) page, we separate the Super Mario Land games into their own series. The third game might've been Wario Land: Super Mario Land 3 in American, but originally in Japan, it is Super Mario Land 3: Wario Land. The Mario & Luigi, Paper Mario, and even Mario Advance games are in their own sub-series sections, too. All the games with New in the title also either have Bowser Jr. or Bowser Jr. AND the Koopalings ever since the first New Super Mario game for the DS and Wii respectively. So obviously there are elements limited to the New Super Mario Bros. games only in-line with each-other, and it goes without saying the Super Mario Bros. games are different from the Super Mario games.

Right now what we're doing is grouping all the Super Mario Bros. games in with not only the New Super Mario Bros. games, but also all the Super Mario games that have only one or two entries in their respective series. So doesn't it make sense to bundle any Super Mario games separate from these two series, but with each-other until at least three games of a kind are released, as we have done with Super Mario Land?

This would change the current one list to three:

Super Mario Bros. series:

  • Super Mario Bros.
  • Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels
  • Super Mario Bros. 3
  • Super Mario World

Super Mario series:

  • Super Mario Bros. 2
  • Super Mario 64
  • Super Mario Sunshine
  • Super Mario Galaxy
  • Super Mario Galaxy 2
  • Super Mario 3D Land
  • Super Mario 3D World

New Super Mario Bros. series:

  • New Super Mario Bros.
  • New Super Mario Bros. Wii
  • New Super Mario Bros. 2
  • New Super Mario Bros. U

Super Mario World would go into the Super Mario Bros. series because of its original name and heavy ties to Super Mario Bros. 3. Super Mario Bros. 2 would go into the Super Mario series because of its original name and weak ties to Super Mario Bros. 3. While as far as the names go this is confusing at first look without prior knowledge, the name itself is not the reason for grouping these games, as again, is the case with Super Mario Land already. The Galaxy and 3D games would not get their own sub-series sections until there is a third game in either series respectively.

As it is now, this also causes for the history sections on character pages to have a broken flow. We initiated the sub-series in the first place so that for example Super Mario Sunshine wasn't paced in-between Mario Party 4 and Mario Golf Toadstool Tour, but now a game like this might be placed in-between Super Mario Bros. 3 and its sequel Super Mario World. It wouldn't actually but this is an example of how it can and does happen in the currently stuffed Super Mario sub-series containing all the games appropriately separated above.

Finally, my major reason for this proposal is because this is totally in line with what the wiki is already doing in regards to this subject, it's just no one ever bothered to consider the context of the games instead of what they're named. This new way only considers the names in a way that makes sense with the context in mind.

Since this might be confusing even with the three sections written out above, I'll reiterate: If you support, you're supporting the creation of a Super Mario Bros. sub-series, and a New Super Mario Bros. sub-series, which removes those respective games out of the current Super Mario sub-series into the two new sub-series respectively, leaving only the Super Mario games with one or two games at this time in the Super Mario sub-series.

Proposer: UhHuhAlrightDaisy (talk)
Deadline: Saturday, June 14, 2014, 23:59 GMT.

Support

  1. UhHuhAlrightDaisy (talk) Per proposal.
  2. Pwwnd123 (talk) A definite yes though Super Mario Bros.2 USA was originally at one point supposed to be a Mario game till Nintendo converted the original prototype to DDP and the NSMB series is a rebirth of the old 2D genre.

Oppose

Comments

Why is SMB2 in the 3D platformer section? - Ninelevendo's Sig Image 18:30, 7 June 2014 (EDT)

I mention the reason above: "Super Mario Bros. 2 would go into the Super Mario series because of its original name and weak ties to Super Mario Bros. 3." Additionally, Super Mario isn't serving as a 3D platformer section. It's serving as a section for Super Mario games that don't have more than two entries like Super Mario Land does. UhHuhAlrightDaisy (talk) 18:34, 7 June 2014 (EDT)

@Pwwnd123: Correct. Don't forget my mention of the Mario Advance games already being a sub-series, though, so this is in line with the wiki, I believe. UhHuhAlrightDaisy (talk) 18:34, 7 June 2014 (EDT)

I'm sure that they called Super Mario Bros. 3 it's name because it was a sequel to Super Mario Bros. 2 which was a sequel to Super Mario Bros., so I don't really see why it's in a different category. - Ninelevendo's Sig Image 19:17, 7 June 2014 (EDT)
I'm positive that they called Super Mario Bros. 3 it's name because they called Super Mario USA - Super Mario Bros. 2 in America for the sake of it selling better and the American team having nothing else yet to base why the two games weren't a part of the same series sub-types the wiki uses. I already went over this though. The change has greatly to do with the fact that right now the list goes by only the names of the games, which is what you're defending, when what this makes up for is the current lack of taking into consideration the games are not tied by name alone due to the regional differences pointed out. The context of Super Mario Bros. 2 has nothing to do with any of the following or preceding Super Mario Bros. games. That's why it's called Super Mario USA originally, and is very similar to the game it's made from. As I also already pointed out, names like this ruin the flow of the context of the order the current sub-series set-up causes on History sections, which again, we created sub-sections to fix the flow. Unless something genuinely confuses you, please try to actually read all what is described in the proposal before asking. UhHuhAlrightDaisy (talk) 19:30, 7 June 2014 (EDT)

Create mother articles for Mario Kart tires & gliders

Looking back at a nearly 2-month-old proposal by Tails777 (talk), I noticed that there's no mother articles for tires or gliders. Therefore, I propose that we create the said articles, so that they have a little info, as well as direct links and photos of the tire and glider customization from 7 and 8.

Proposer: Stonehill (talk)
Deadline: June 12, 2014, 23:59 GMT.

Support

  1. Stonehill (talk) Per proposal.
  2. Tails777 (talk) Per proposal.
  3. Ninelevendo (talk) Does this really warrant a proposal?
  4. Tsunami (talk) I think it will be useful! Good idea!
  5. Mario7 (talk) This is a great idea! I have been thinking about doing this for a while, but never got around to it, but now it is in a proposal, we can actually do it! It would also keep all the parts much more organized. Per proposal.
  6. Koopakoolklub (talk) We have kart articles, so we should have tire and glider articles.

Oppose

Comments

@Stonehill In your proposal, could you add creating a page entitled Template:Fakelink? I think this would also help with your idea and it would keep all parts on one page. Artwork of Bowser in Fortune Street (also used in Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games)M a r i oArtwork of the Lucky Seven symbol.redgoldred 13:47, 5 June 2014 (EDT)

What Ninelevendo said. For the most part, a proposal isn't necessary to create and article, just make it if you think you can pull it off. If it doesn't work out, people will step in and it'll be handled. -- Shyghost.PNGChrisShyghost.PNG 17:10, 5 June 2014 (EDT)

@Mario7 The problem with this is, the wiki may have had such a combined page, but it was probably removed or split. Template:Color-link-piped At last, the rock fell.

Oh well...At least it's a step in the right direction!!! Template:Color-link-piped At last, the rock fell.

Actuallu, I think a page called "Kart Parts" would be better. - Ninelevendo's Sig Image 17:05, 6 June 2014 (EDT)
Actually, I'm not so sure about making that page. It doesn't really stand out to me, and if you want to make a proposal about it, it's fine, but you'd have to wait a month. Template:Color-link-piped At last, the rock fell.

Write quotes with ambiguity in a more formal manner

That is to say, for example, a quote written like this:

He told me to follow you around this place.

Is instead written like this:

[Bowser] told me to follow you around [World 1]. (said to Mario)

Proposer: RickTommy (talk)
Deadline: June 12, 2014, 23:59 GMT

Support

  1. RickTommy (talk)

Oppose

  1. Ninelevendo (talk) Why would you change quotes to incorrect and confusing quotes?
  2. Tsunami (talk) Nope, in this way quotes lose all their fashion! Completely supporting Ninelevendo!
  3. Mario7 (talk) I see your point, and while it is more formal to do that in some instances, the way they are done now are considered correct under the right circumstances, which they are.
  4. Yoshi876 (talk) Per myself in the comments, we'll be supplying false quotes if we follow this.
  5. Walkazo (talk) - Best to just leave listed quotes exactly as they were in the source material, otherwise it makes the information less authentic and useful, even if the changes are marked with square brackets (which is already done when using quotes in articles to back up statements and whatnot).
  6. Ghost Jam (talk) - Per all, our current method serves our needs better.
  7. Koopakoolklub (talk) That's not what the quote is, and... it's kinda strange, so Per everyone.
  8. Stonehill (talk) There would be a policy against this already. Per Ninelevendo, Mario7, Yoshi876, Walkazo, and Koopakoolklub.
  9. Mario (talk) The links, while sometimes kind of dumb, clarify who or what the speaker is referring to, so it's NOT ambiguous as it is claimed here. Altering quotes just makes it more confusing, not less.
  10. Pwwnd123 (talk) - We are here to quote everything as is and we think it is defying a rule that everything must be taken from the original content and it is incorrect. That just makes everything fabricated. Per everyone.

Comments

What is this trying to accomplish exactly? And since when do we write You? - Ninelevendo's Sig Image 01:53, 5 June 2014 (EDT)

I need this explaining, because it looks like you're changing the example quote to something different, which means that it is no longer a quote from that game. Yoshi876 (talk)

In general this would only be needed in cases where the subject isn't clear, but we generally don't use quotes like that where quotes are needed, in fact I can't think of any off the top of my head. Can you provide me with a link to any articles where this is going to make a difference? -- Shyghost.PNGChrisShyghost.PNG 03:41, 5 June 2014 (EDT)

I knew this would happen. :P But anyway, here are some examples of what I'm talking about: [1] [2] RickTommy (talk) 04:19, 5 June 2014 (EDT)
My issue is that looking at that, you have changed some of the comments by removing "he's" and replacing them with "Bowser" or whatever, thus changing the quote and making it incorrect. Yoshi876 (talk)
The thing is, that's the formal way of writing quotes with ambiguity - by changing pronouns to the name of the character they are referring to, and putting them in square brackets. RickTommy (talk) 04:24, 5 June 2014 (EDT)
The thing is though, that is how the quote is said so if we transcribe it like your way we'll be supplying false quotes. Yoshi876 (talk)
Not precisely. A quote is still fundamentally correct if all that is changed is a "btw, context" to the reader, court documents and reporting outlets use this method, as clarity is more important than keeping a few He's and She's. That said, I wanted an example because I didn't think we had many articles that used quotes that would need and our current method of just linking indicators off to relevant articles seems to be working fine with less visual clutter. -- Shyghost.PNGChrisShyghost.PNG 17:05, 5 June 2014 (EDT)

@RickTommy I have another solution for you. Try taking cues around the links of the quotes. They should tell you which context is which. Stonehill (talk) 20:31, 5 June 2014 (EDT)

I guess we should reproduce the quote as much as possible.. In case of the undefined subjects, we have one of the two options: If we have an article on that subject, we can use pipe-linking to remove any doubts about who exactly is that subject? [e.g: Bowser : "I hate him very much."]. There, we kept the quote and identified the subject.. Otherwise, If we don't have the subject as an article (I cannot think of use of that here), we can add something about who the character is talking about [e.g: Guy1 : "If I didn't return by 11:00, he is going to kill me for sure." (About his father)] or if that is not acceptable, we can use something like that. (i.e: "If I didn't return by 11:00, he is going to kill me for sure.) In all cases, we don't have any reason to change the quote.--

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07:27, 6 June 2014 (EDT)

Miscellaneous

None at the moment.

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