Talk:Birdo/Archive 1

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Birdo's Voice

How does Birdo get her voice back in Superstar Saga? She can speak as "Rookie", so how did she get it back? ^Plumber

She also said "Birdo" when they first saw her. Paper Jorge (Talk·Contribs)

Yeah, but how did she get it back? ^Plumber

Maybe that was a different Birdo?Knife (talk) 23:41, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

I imagine after the Peach Bots were a failure that they simply would have gone back and retrieved it once it had been abandoned by Cackletta, probably using a similar method as to the way it was stolen originally (E.Gadd was in that game yeah he could have helped?) I'd just assume that it was no pivotal enough of a story line to be included in a cutscene. - Despot_joil

You could mention those two possibilities in the article, but say the real reason in not known for sure. CrystalYoshi

Characters and Species

Information on Birdo, both "characters" and species, will go on this page. There is not one Birdo character, but many, and we are not creating an article on every specific Birdo. Unlike Yoshi or Toad, which started as a character and became a species, Birdo has always been a species and individual Birdos have appeared, such as what happened with Goombas and other enemies. -- Son of Suns

I would think the Birdo with the ring who always hangs-out with Yoshi is always the same person though. -- Sir Grodus

I would think the Birdo with the ring who always hangs-out with Yoshi is always the same Birdo though.

Corrected! --Bentendo 14:47, 26 March 2007 (EDT)

Well, it would not be incorrect to label Birdo a person. Birdo is an intelligent, sapient being, and thus can be labelled a person. Birdo is of course not a human though. Anyways, there are just so many individual Birdo characters, it would be better to keep all info on one page. In this game, a Birdo did this....in this game (likely the same Birdo from that game) did this....etc. -- Son of Suns

I was just kidding... 8/ --Bentendo 15:31, 27 March 2007 (EDT)

Umm.....well, the second part is still relevant. -- Son of Suns

Hey, you guys, shouldn't we make an individual Birdo (species) page? I mean, the species is different than the actual individual Birdo, am I correct? I know for a fact that they are a species from games like Super Mario Strikers. Any thoughts on this? --Jolene

My thoughts exactly. Based on the information in Super Mario Advance, each Birdo encountered by Mario and friends was the same (note the voice, and the irritation at their persistence, etc.). This is proof in my book that there is a special Birdo. Even Toad does not have that great of a distinction. Let's take a vote. --Stumpers

Well, the birdo in Super Mario Bros. 2 is bad, while the birdo who is Yoshi's friend is good. They're a species. CrystalYoshi 20:14, 27 February 2008 (EST)

Should the article be separated into Birdo (species) and Birdo as a character?

PLEASE DO NOT POST HERE. AN OFFICIAL PROPOSAL HAS BEEN CREATED ON MarioWiki:Proposals. TRANSFER YOUR VOTE, PLEASE! Stumpers! 01:38, 1 March 2008 (EST)

Now that we have proposals, this can't decide anything. I've been noticing some new votes coming up, so... should I make one? Stumpers! 09:50, 29 February 2008 (EST)

Yup. Time Questions 09:59, 29 February 2008 (EST)

Support

1. Stumpers
2. Javier12345:Like that is Toads article
3. Knife (talk) 21:25, 10 December 2007 (EST) I believe there is only one Birdo in SMB2 and that is the same one that appears in later sports games. Her ring makes her stick out from other Birdos and although she has appeared in less games, she is more distinct than Toad.
4. Walkazo - Per all. But shouldn't we make this an official Proposal?
5. — Stooben Rooben Yoshi and Yoshi (species) are split up, so Birdo needs to be as well.
6. Palkia47 - My comment below.

Oppose

1. Son of Suns - There have been many Birdo characters and its quite clear they are all not the same Birdo.

1. Theryguy512 19:57, 10 December 2007 (EST) Well, the Birdo (character) is a Birdo (species), and if we move this one, we have to move Yoshi, etc.

1. Paper Jorge ( Talk·Contributions)· Per Son of Suns-we have no proof all those Birdos are the same. But we already moved Yoshi, Theryguy.

Comments

Please see my above comment for my reasoning. --Stumpers

Actually, my point is that we're being inconsistent, since we DO have all of those for Yoshi, Toad, and the like. Stumpers! 20:55, 10 December 2007 (EST)

This was started before the proposals were in effect. I don't do proposals b/c I'm very sporatic in terms of Wiki editing, but if you wanted to submit this and transfer the votes you're more than welcome. Stumpers! 01:15, 31 December 2007 (EST)

We have one Birdo and an entire species. Should we split? Yes. One Birdo has appeared, and it happened to be the Birdo we all know. And the species we fight in SMB2. So I see a need why we need to spit them. I know without the two combined, the article would be a bit smaller, but, Birdo deserves to have its own article, and so does the species. Palkia47

Birdo is definitely a species, because the Super Mario Bros. 2 birdo is bad and the one or ones (I don't care) who hang out with Yoshi are good, as Yoshi is good. It could be split, but since it's not for sure that any two are the same, and there's not much to say about Birdo as a character or species, you should maybe leave it as one, and mention in the article that the Birdo in the sports and party games may be the same, but it's unsure.

After all Koopa Troopas are in many sports games, and they're probably not the same.  CrystalYoshi  16:34, 29 February 2008 (EST)

The way that the Wiki has previously (Toad, Yoshi) decided whether there could be a character AND a species was whether the character was referred to directly. As in, "Go with Yoshi and save Peach!" rather than, "Go with THIS Yoshi and save Peach!" And, Birdo has been referred to directly as Birdo in Mario Party (as has any "species" character). Additionally, the manual to Super Mario Bros. 2 (USA) specifically notes Birdo, Mouser, etc. as characters rather than a species. This idea was further cemented in Super Mario Advance when Birdo was given a voice. It remained consistent throughout the game. She voiced continued growing annoyance, and even when a green Birdo showed up (which you would think would constitute a different character), the line was, "I'm ready for you THIS time!" which of course implies that she had seen Mario and friends before. In other words, if nothing else, the character article should cover "Birdo" from Super Mario Bros. 2 (USA). You can't deny that. Stumpers! 20:06, 29 February 2008 (EST)

But do you really think one Birdo would fight Mario and friends, and then be Yoshi's secret girlfriend? CrystalYoshi 20:35, 29 February 2008 (EST)

I would hold my own opinion below Nintendo's for the purpose of the Wiki in either case, but I gotta admit you have a point. But: love can do strange things, right? Stumpers! 01:06, 1 March 2008 (EST)

Heh heh. I'm not sure of their real relationship, but it's obvious they're friendly with each other. I think the best expaination is that the Birdos in the sports and party games are the same, but not the one or ones in SMB2. CrystalYoshi

Heh

Could there at least be one mention that it's unknown why Birdo changes from bad to good? It doesn't have to say there might be two birdos, just say it's unknown why she- he- it changes alliances. CrystalYoshi

Of course! What I was trying to get away from was speculation regarding solutions to the "plot hole." I mean, I'm fine with speculation when it's needed (ie the Luigi's Mansion Bowser Suit theory), but it's just when the article can be written with out it, I'm pretty sure we're supposed to leave it out. So, to point out a plot hole is a-ok, and is actually good writing if you ask me. Stumpers! 18:05, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

Maybe I'll add it later. I thought that's what you didn't really want me to do. CrystalYoshi

Birdo image

Can we use this for the first image???Javier12345 File:MP8 Birdo.jpg

Possible vandalism

Has Wario565 been vandalizing the article? Look at the history. He wrote stuff like "ORGINALY BIRDO WAS A BOY BUT THEY CHANGED ITS GENDER TO A GIRL" at the top of the biography section. I reverted it, but he's been doing a lot of stuff to the article. CrystalYoshi 15:08, 30 March 2008 (EDT)

Technically, it's not vandalism, but it should be deleted, so thanks CY. I'll take a look at his edits and probably drop him a message. Stumpers! 18:20, 30 March 2008 (EDT)

Oh great now Birdoshi is spamming the page with vandal. Princess Grapes Butterfly 15:46, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

I talked to him/her about putting the images in thumbs. Thanks for cleaning up, Princess Grapes! Stumpers! 16:14, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

Thanks. (So many image on that page O_0.Yay for Grapes I mean me my first time removing vandalism!) Princess Grapes Butterfly 16:19, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

Hey Princess Grapes Butterfly so that you insist on clearing images of Birdo that I put that by the way those images are very real and that all those images come from their respective games and soon your you say that this is vandalism and it is not certain I I put images in the beginning and your you erased them but that was so that I put bad but Stumpers soon! it said to me as to put them or and soon I put them or and your you insist on clearing them and like examples the Birdo that this giving returned from Mario Strikers Charged also the Birdo that give kisses and the Birdo that throws eggs and if this it beams so that you say that either images in this section of Birdo are many then these mistaken since characters like Dry Bones are others and where this normal section also has many images and GIF and when you clean one page of the things that puts another user you must be safe of not erasing the information that or was in that page then that you did your with me since I put images single real and your you erased information for the other affluent beam what beams and lets erase my images who is certain.

En español: Hey Princess Grapes Butterfly por que insistes en quitar las imagenes de Birdo que yo pongo que por cierto esas imagenes son muy reales y que todas esas imagenes vienen de sus respectivos juegos y luego tu dices que esto es vandalismo y no es cierto al principio yo puse unas imagenes y tu las borraste pero eso fue por que yo las puse mal pero luego Stumpers! me dijo como ponerlas bien y luego yo las puse bien y tu insistes en quitarlas y como ejemplos la Birdo que esta dando vueltas de Mario Strikers Charged tambien la Birdo que da besos y la Birdo que arroja huevos y si esto lo haces por que dices que ya hay muchas imagenes en esta seccion de Birdo pues estas equivocada ya que hay otros personajes como Dry Bones y donde esta seccion tiene muchas imagenes normales y tambien GIF y cuando limpies una pagina de las cosas que pone otro usuario debes de estar segura de no borrar la informacion que ya estaba en esa pagina pues eso hiciste tu conmigo ya que yo puse solo images reales y tu borraste informacion para la otra haz bien lo que haces y deja de borrar mis imagenes que son ciertas.
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Birdoshi (talk).

Birdoshi: Please don't use a Spanish-English translator. It's not clear in English. Grapes: Birdoshi's edits are not vandalism/spam. Please see MarioWiki:Vandalism. What you're finding issue with is the relevancy/professionalism of the images. Both of you, remember that you should assume good faith (ie, that an edit was made to better the Wiki) whenever possible. You'll notice that Birdoshi has added some very relavent images, although I'm questioning the two animated GIFs. I think we need to take a vote on whether to keep or remove each image. Birdoshi and Princess Grapes, can you please post the images you two are arguing about here and we can discuss them? Stumpers! 02:25, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

I had a feeling that there were offical except the gif. He/She put some image that don`t belong in some sections. How 'bout we just put the offical images in the gallary! (He/She Put a foto of Birdo dancing in his power section. that not showing birdo power.) Princess Grapes Butterfly 06:17, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

I think that dancing Birdo was from Super Mario Strikers? In which case it belongs on the Birdo (species) page rather than this page regardless. Stumpers! 16:28, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

Yeah I agree! Princess Grapes Butterfly 17:24, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

The other one had her blowing kisses, right? I think that's from Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga, which does make applicable to this article. Stumpers! 19:00, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

Bueno es que no se hablar muy bien el ingles por eso lo traduzco si quieren pueden pasarme un buen traductor mientras aprendo el ingles y respecto a las imagenes pues es cierto lo de la Birdo que baila bueno ya se me equivoque y es que cuando puse la imagen me falto agregarle al articulo donde vienen los poderes de Birdo que ella gira muy rapido pero bueno la imagen de Birdo bailando ya la voy a poner bien de hecho se las voy a dejar aqui abajo junto con las otras 2 imagenes GIF que por cierto la Birdo que arroja besos si es de Mario & Luigi Superstar Saga correcto Grapes! y aparece en el juego cuando Peach les explica a Mario y a Luigi que cuando vino la bruja y le robo la voz pues que no era ella (Peach) si no que era Birdo transformada en Peach y en eso aparece otra Peach frente a Mario y a Luigi y derrepente se destruye el disfraz y resulta que si es Birdo y ahi ella arroja besos y luego ve a unos niños frijol y se los persigue. Y bien la otra imagen de Birdo que arroja huevos es de Super Smash Bros Melee donde ella aparece en su escenario y arroja huevos a los personajes de Smash.

Good it is that not to be spoken very or english for that reason I translate it if they want can pass a good translator to me while I learn english and with respect to images because it is certain the one of the Birdo that dances good either mistakes to me and is that when I put the image I lack to add to him to I article where the powers come from Birdo that it turns very fast but good the image of Birdo dancing or I am going it to put or in fact I am going away to down leave them along with other 2 images GIF that by the way the Birdo that throws kisses if she is of Mario & Luigi Superstar Saga correct Grapes! and it appears in the game when Peach explains to them to Mario and to Luigi that when the witch came and him robbery the voice since she was not she (Peach) if who was Birdo transformed Peach and that does not appear another Peach as opposed to Mario and to Luigi and destroys the disguise to him and is that if is then Birdo and she throws kisses and soon she sees children bean and she persecutes them. And the other image of Birdo that throws eggs is well of Super Smash Bros Melee where it appears in her scene and throws eggs to characters of Smash.

->

I thought that this image (The one with the ->) is from Super Mario Advance? (GBA) Grapes 20:12, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

Hey Princess Grapes Butterfly watches the photo of Birdo giving returned is a power or that? I think that if so that in Mario Strikers Charged Birdo gives returns when it brings the ball and cradled an enemy she approaches she sends it to fly with his returns.

Hey Princess Grapes Butterfly mira la foto de Birdo dando vueltas es un poder o que? yo pienso que si por que en Mario Strikers Charged Birdo da vueltas cuando trae la pelota y cunado un enemigo se acerca ella lo manda a volar con sus vueltas.

Oh I didn't know! I don't have that game. Princess Grapes Butterfly 20:45, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

oh pobre de ti pero tarde o temprano lo conseguiras esta muy padre el juego pero bueno mira te mando este link para que veas las animaciones de Birdo ya saves cuando ella anota un gol asi celebra ella y en la segunda animacion ella da vueltas y luego arroja un huevo mirala.

oh poor of you but sooner or later you are going it to play this very cool the game but good sight I send east Link to you so that you see the animations of Birdo if when it writes down a goal she celebrates and in the second animation she gives returns and soon she throws an egg.

Oh really (It looks more like dance.) Princess Grapes Butterfly 21:05, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

If I if I have the game and it watches this is the Link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WNYZ7mAJWY&mode=related&search=

and that you think of the video

y que opinas del video

Que pasa ya lo vistes responde pues no que eres buena discutiendo

That it happens already you observed the video then answers not that you are good discussing

As I mentioned earlier, the Strikers pictures and information aren't a problem: they should only be on the Birdo (species) page. The kissing image should be placed under personality or Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga. The egg shooting image should be placed under abilities or Super Mario Bros. 2. Stumpers! 22:59, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

ok! Stumpers
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Birdoshi (talk).

There is no personality section, actually. We should have one, we have one for a plant, for heaven's sake. Just it might be hard with Birdo sometimes good and sometimes bad, she (yes, it is she) has no set personality. I told you, Stumpers... CrystalYoshi

Then I am going to make the section of the pesonality of her

Pues voy a hacer la seccion de la pesonalidad de ella
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Birdoshi (talk).

>.> Um... 'k. She always struck me as a Rouge the Bat sort of personality. Kind hearted at the core, but with very loose morality. Well, if you have problems putting the pieces together to find a set personality, I think I could help. I'm pretty sure the key thing is this:

• She's flirtatious and very affectionate (kissie, kissie!), even when she doesn't know someone very well. (met Yoshi in Mario Tennis, Popple in Mario & Luigi)
• She flip-flops in everything according to her desires. She's not afraid to fight her old aquaintences for a new love (Mario & Luigi).

Yeah, that's basically my interpretation. Her personality doesn't change, only her affections. Not the kind of girl you expect to settle down anytime soon! Stumpers! 02:14, 3 April 2008 (EDT)

No. The personality section doesn't make any sense, and it's in the wrong place. I think someone else needs to write it. Where are all the images coming from? CrystalYoshi 18:25, 3 April 2008 (EDT)

The image of Birdo is of Mario Party 7 whell, she winn the game .
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Birdoshi (talk).

I'm glad the personality section was rewritten. Thanks Stooben Rooben, but it's not actually bad writing, it just looks bad since it was translated from Spanish. CrystalYoshi 16:01, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Age

-- 15:18, 24 April 2008 (EDT)Birdo is a small kid? Or she is a great girl? I talk about the age.

Generally Nintendo leaves the ages of characters indeterminent. Based on a comparison between her and Yoshi, in addition to her love life, I would place her around 18-30 in human years, but that's not official, just a guess, so we CAN'T put it into the article. Stumpers! 23:44, 24 April 2008 (EDT)

-- 21:01, 25 April 2008 (EDT)I think so, she have 17 years, she behaves like one girl of preparatory. And, but the Dinosaurs are very great and she is small, and she does not even have breast, so that she is one little girl,like about 13 years.

Uh... Birdo's a dinosaur. Dinosaurs don't have breasts? Not to mention Birdo was originally a male, so unless he's been takin' some estrogen... I just think Birdo's age shouldn't be an issue. We don't know how old Peach, Toad, Mario, Bowser, etc. are, why would we know how old someone more obscure like Birdo? And we can't judge based on appearance or personality seeing as Birdo's, well... a fictional dinosaur. UrsulaBoi 11:12, 26 April 2008 (EDT)

-- 19:17, 26 April 2008 (EDT)Hellooooo! There are many characters who have breasts,and they are rare animals and have breasts!,and Birdo is not real, and are many Birdos, and the Birdo of Doki Doki Panic, yes he is male,but, he is one of many Birdos that there is,there is Birdos females and there is Birdos males,and all the Birdos females and males they are called equal,Birdo, and our Birdo is female, since she exists from Mario Tennis N64 and in this game she is female,the other Birdos of the last games, they are others Birdos of many that they exist,his gender does not matter they are Birdos of the crowd.

Rewrite?

This article is in need of a big rewrite. A lot of it's information is either horribly placed or horribly biased. The Introduction, Biography, Spin-Off Information, and Artwork & Screenshots sections are fine. Other Appearances needs a LOT of work. It's jam packed with information that is very confusing, and not placed well. The Other Information sections are very biased, with the Relationships section being the worst there. Don't get me wrong, this article has a lot of information, but the overall presentation is... Poor. And I don't think I could rewrite it too well, and perhaps it's just me. Which is why I've brought it up on the talk page; To see if it's just me (get others thoughts), and to get others alerted that it needs a rewrite. My Bloody Valentine

Maybe It's because Birdoshi, Birdo's apparent biggest fan, is learning English as a second language, so what she writes is not always clear. I also don't think she understands not to put opinions into the articles. If there's anything really bad, someone will take care of it eventually. CrystalYoshi

-- 22:23, 1 May 2008 (EDT)Hey!! and the Quotes of Birdo?

Birdoshi is doing very good for an ESL (English as a second language) writer, and plus Birdoshi is learning the ropes of things around the Wiki at the same time. Birdoshi's content is usually good though! Stumpers! 22:58, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

-- 16:15, 2 May 2008 (EDT)Thanks Stumpers!!! that is cute of its part!! and it is truth!!

No problem! I'm learning Spanish myself, and even though I'm in my fifth year of it, it's still really hard, so I understand where you're coming from. Stumpers! 21:56, 5 May 2008 (EDT)

Umm, isn't Birdo a male???? Super-Yoshi^{Talk? C???}

Originally she was a male, but Nintendo "retconned" (ie created an inconsistency and ran with it) her to be female. Her trophies in Super Smash Bros. Melee and Brawl (both Japanese and English versions) are your best bet for finding out more if I remember correctly. Stumpers! 21:56, 5 May 2008 (EDT)

Isn't there Two Birdos on Female (that likes Yoshi) and the Male? (Or maybe it was just a rumor.) Princess Strawberry Butterfly 16:57, 6 May 2008 (EDT)

Just a rumour. Ok, so, what's the verdict on the relationships section? My Bloody Valentine

Well, I don't see why Toad should be there after 1 game. — Stooben Rooben 14:43, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

But can we bring the Others relationship section back? I think it explained the stuff I was trying to say during the proposal to split into character and species. CrystalYoshi 11:43, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

I think all threee of you guys will like this... I know DP does already: check out the Princess Daisy Talk Page. Under the header, "No, just no" (or something like that) I offered an alternate solution to this. Just go have a look. Stumpers! 12:15, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

Oh so it is a rumor so that mean Birdo a male. April

User box

Why there's a userbox on this page is this a glitch? (Or is that vandal) April No idea. Maybe someone put it by mistake? CrystalYoshi

I think it is a glitch beacause if you tried to edit the talk page you can't see the User box template. Grapes

Yeah, it's freaky. The ghost userbox... CrystalYoshi 20:13, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

It came out of no where. Hmmmm I just wonder how were going to remove this. Grapes

Well, can anyone else besides us three see it? CrystalYoshi 20:18, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

I think so. Grapes

Yup, I can see it. — Stooben Rooben 20:25, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

But can you see it in the source of the page? I mean what you get to when you click edit. CrystalYoshi

Nope all I see is just the word writen here. That very odd. But then you press show peview the user boxes shows up. Grapes

I'll check out the page section-by-section to see where it might be hidden... — Stooben Rooben 20:33, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

I fixed it! Up at the top, User:Despot_joil signed his message {{User:Despot_joil}}, which put his userpage content up there. It works the same way with a sig – you sign {{User:Username/sig}}, the your signature's page content appears; if you sign {{User:Username}}, then your userpage's content appears. — Stooben Rooben 20:43, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

I'm really really sorry! I had no idea that would happen when I signed my user name to my post incorrectly (mostly because I was unaware I signed it wrong). As you know thanks to Stooben Rooben, also thanks to Stooben Rooben for fixing it for me, sorry you had to do so much work to fix my blunder. I had no Idea it had happened. I'll try to be more careful in future. Sorry for the confusion. I hope I do it right this time (I'm pretty new at this I have not got the hang of everything yet). Despot joil

It's okay. It wasn't any trouble to fix. ;) — Stooben Rooben I think I used to make that mistake a while ago, too. :o