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#{{User|Time Q}}: Uh, no. The Main Page is already cluttered as is. No need to put three (!) polls there.


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Proposals can be new features (such as an extension), removal of a previously added feature that has tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action(s) are done.
  • Any user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so, not, e.g., "I like this idea!"
  • "Vote" periods last for one week.
  • All past proposals are archived.

A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code {{user|User name}}.

This page observes the No-Signature Policy.

How To

  1. Actions that users feel are appropriate to have community approval first can be added by anyone, but they must have a strong argument.
  2. Users then start to discuss on the issue. 24 hours after posting the proposal (rounding up or down to the next or previous full hour, respectively, is allowed), the voting period begins. (The proposer is allowed to support their proposal right after posting.) The "deadline" for the proposal is one week from voting start at: (All times GMT)
    • Monday to Thursday: 23:00 (11pm)
    • Friday and Saturday: 2:00 (2 am) of the next day. A proposal posted on a Thursday ends the following Saturday morning; a proposal posted on a Friday ends the following Sunday morning.
    • Sunday: 21:00 (9pm)
  3. Every vote should have a reason accompanying it.
  4. Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the Comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. The voter can remove or rewrite their own vote at any time, but the final decision to remove another User's vote lies solely with the Administrators.
  5. "# " should be added under the last vote of each support/oppose section to show another blank line.
  6. All proposals that end up in a tie will be extended for another week.
  7. If a proposal has more than ten votes, it can only pass or fail by a margin of three votes. If a proposal reaches the deadline and the total number of votes for each option differ by two or less votes, the deadline will be extended for another week.
  8. Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
  9. No proposal can overturn the decision of a previous proposal that is less than 4 weeks (28 days) old.
  10. Proposals can only be rewritten or deleted by their proposer within the first three days of their creation. However, the proposer can request that their proposal be deleted by a Sysop at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it.
  11. All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of a Sysop, the proposer can ask for that help.
  12. There shouldn't be proposals about creating articles on a underrepresented or completely absent subject, unless there is major disagreement about whether the content should be included. To organize efforts about completing articles on missing subjects, try creating a PipeProject.
  13. Proposals cannot be made about System Operator promotions and demotions. Sysops can only be promoted and demoted by the will of Bureaucrats.
  14. If the Sysops deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to remove it at any time.
  15. No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters, and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.

The times are in GMT, and are set so that the user is more likely to be online at those times (after work/school, weekend nights). If a proposal is added on Monday night at 11:59 PM GMT, the deadline is the next Monday night at 11:00 PM. If it is posted a minute later, the deadline is a week Tuesday, since midnight is considered to be part of the next day, as 00:00 AM.

Basic Proposal and Support/Oppose Format

This is an example how your proposal should look like, if you want it to be acknowledged. If you are inexperienced or unsure how to set up this format, simply copy the following and paste it into the fitting section. Then replace the [subject] - variables with information to customize your proposal, so it says what you wish. If you insert the information, be sure to replace the whole variable including the squared brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information", not "[This is the inserted information]".

===[insert a title for your Proposal here]===
[describe what you want this Proposal to be like, what changes you would suggest and what this is about]

'''Proposer''': {{User|[enter your username here]}}<br>
'''Voting start''': [insert a voting start time here, f.e. "2 January, 2010, 14:00". Voting start times are 24 hours after the time at which the proposal was posted, as described in Rule 2 above.]<br>
'''Deadline''': [insert a deadline here, f.e. "8 January, 2010, 23:00". Rule 2 above explains how to determine a deadline.]

====Support====

====Oppose====

====Comments====

Users will now be able to vote on your Proposal, until the set deadline is reached. Remember, you are a user as well, so you can vote on your own Proposal just like the others.

To support, or oppose, just insert "#{{User|[add your username here]}} at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on anoother user's Proposal. If you are voting on your own Proposal, you can just say "Per my Proposal".




Talk Page Proposals

All proposals dealing with a single article or a specific group of articles are held on the talk page of one of the articles in question. Proposals dealing with massive amounts of splits, merges or deletions across the Wiki should still be held on this page.

How To

  1. All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom). All pages effected must be mentioned in the brief description, with the talk page housing the discussion linked to directly via "(Template:Fakelink)". If the proposal involved a page that is not yet made, use {{fakelink}} to communicate its title. The Deadline must also be included in the entry. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links. Place {{TPP}} under the heading.
  2. All rules for talk page proposals are the same as mainspace proposals (see the "How To" section above), with the exceptions made by Rules 3, 4 and 5, as follows:
  3. Voting in talk page proposals will be open for two weeks, not one. There is no 24 hour delay between the posting of a talk page proposal and the commencement of voting.
  4. Talk page proposals may closed by the proposer if both the support and the oppose sides each have fewer than five votes.
  5. After two weeks, a clear majority of three votes is required. Without the majority, the talk page proposal will be listed as "NO QUORUM".
  6. The talk page proposal must pertain to the article it is posted on.

List of Talk Page Proposals

New Features

Table Button On Editing Screen

You know that making tables is a hard thing to do? Well, I was thinking on that bar on the top of the edit screen? I think that we should add a table button to this, so when clicked, a box will pop up like the one in Microsoft Word, and you can choose how many rows and columns. Then the table appears in the edit box, and all you have to do is change the colour and content. Easy as pie (although not the Pie Button!) I beleive this will save ages trying to remember how to make a table, and new users will find this helpful for their first contributions.

Proposer: LucariosAura (talk)
Deadline: March 1, 2010, 23:00

Support

  1. LucariosAura (used to be specialk) 13:30, 22 February 2010 (EST)
  2. KS3 (talk) Who knows how to memorize that 36 line thingie. I sure don't.
  3. MATEOELBACAN (talk) Per Proposal, of course!
  4. Mr bones (talk) Per proposal.It will be very helpful.

Oppose

Comments

This would surely be helpful, but I doubt it's realizable technically. Time Q (talk)

Yeah, it would be a good idea, but how would we implement this into the edit page? BabyLuigiOnFire (talk)

WikEd has a button to create tables, it inserts the coding and you change it to your liking :) Tucayo (talk)

The "Not Pie Button" section reminds me of the Virtual Pie for Everyone proposal. KS3 (talk)

Couldn't you just insert the coding on your own? It's what I do and I like it much better as it's much easier to use a preformatted template than doing it on your own. This is sounding a little bit too much like wikia's wikicoding beta for my liking - that's one of the reasons I left wikia. Another option is to copy/paste - that's what I do for the longer templates. Marioguy1 (talk)
I don't like having to resort to look somewhere else to copy and paste the table. And I'm still confused at this process, even I've been here for a while. BabyLuigiOnFire (talk)

How the heck will the sysops implement this? You can't just say "Abra, Kadabra, Alakazam" and expect everything to work for you. Reversinator (talk)

KS3 that is exactly what i was thinking when I put that! Baby Luigi on fire I agree, my current method is copy/pasteing, and it is very hard. and reversinator I was hoping a Sysop would edit the edit bar to make a table button. What else would I mean? LucariosAura (used to be specialk) 10:43, 23 February 2010 (EST)

I'm fairly certain that Porplemontage (talk) would have to edit some files in the database to make this work. That's the only way this would work. -- Stooben Rooben (talk)
Some questions that should be answered if we do this. 1 - For the button, wouldn't you have diffulty with more typing when it gives you the basics for it, and you need like 60 sections or something? 2 - Most users cut and paste for templates too, and they are like tables. 3 - Also, there are different versions of tables (like this one used here and this other one.), we can't have many buttons for the varied tables. That is about what I have to say. Baby Mario Bloops (talk)
Remember this wont be obligatory to use, people would be able to make the tables they want by inserting the coding themselves, this is for people who just want a basic table. Tucayo (talk)
@BMB After you click the table button then a window pops up saying what kind of table you want. Then the number of columns and rows you want window appears and you choose how many columns and rows. Then the exact table you imputed into the windows will appear. KS3 (talk)

Add Quote of the Week (or Featured Quote) to the Main Page

There are a lot of quotes out there that are great. If we have the featured Articles and the Featured Images, there are a lot of quotes that are wise and this might make our wiki seem that there is more than "this weird person who rides on ugly froglike creatures killing people just to save his girlfriend" (I was just giving an example Sorry if I insulted Yoshi but that's what some people actually think). We can put it under the Featured Images and move the Did You Know section down. There will be a separate page for voting to see which ones are the best (like the FA and FI)

Proposer: KS3 (talk)
Deadline: March 2 2010, 23:00

Add new feature

  1. KS3 (talk) Per proposal.
  2. MATEOELBACAN (talk) Per Proposal (But don't say that of Yoshi...people he's a dinosaur!)
  3. Mr bones (talk) Per proposal.
  4. LucariosAura (used to be specialk) I agree with MATEOELBACAN, yoshi is cool. And per proposal.
  5. Tucayo (talk) - Per. We have a template for this {{RandomQuote}}. Perhaps the look will be something like this.
  6. Reversinator (talk) It's interesting, and I'm not getting any slow down.

Don't add

  1. T.c.w7468 (talk) Didn't we knock the quote of the day thing down a few months ago because it slowed everything up? Besides, many of the quotes that end up on this are pretty bad, and it doesn't add much to the page anyway.
  2. Bloc Partier (talk) -- Per all. Plus, no one ever puts the quotes in right so we always have to edit the pages themselves to keep the Main Page template working.
  3. Baby Mario Bloops (talk) - I knew people would come over to the don't add side. Anyways, we got rid of the quotes for many reasons (like I said in the comments): 1 - Takes forever to get to the Main Page, plus all the broken links it can cause. 2 - It can glitch a lot when doing some quotes that is more than one sentence, making it not that useful. 3 - We have plentiful things about our wiki that tells info on the Mario things.
  4. Time Q (talk): Per all.
  5. Marioguy1 (talk) - We had this quote before, it slowed loading time and showed a different quote every time someone looked at it - that isn't even a "Featured" quote! I definitely don't think we should create Mariowiki:Featured Quote as we have enough featured content already, besides - a quote is too minor to be nominated and then we go through a whole process over about 10 words.
  6. Fawfulfury65 (talk) It will make the main page take longer to load. And do we really need it? I mean, are we gonna like choose a featured quote or something? I don't think this will really help anything.

Comments

Can I see what the new main page would look like? The main page is half informational, half aesthetic (probably the only page that is). Marioguy1 (talk)

LOL, LeftyGreenMario said that. Anyway, did you know that there was a proposal to remove that Quote of the Day thingy because of loading time? Just for your information. BabyLuigiOnFire (talk)
Just like BLOF said above, the loading time took forever to get onto MarioWiki, and for many users like me it caused the broken link to appear more often. Also, wasn't there a glitch with the template for the quotes when it used more than one quote? Baby Mario Bloops (talk)

@LucariosAura Can you please use the form {{User|LucariosAura}} We don't need to know that You used to be specialK. -KS3 (talk)

@Baby Mario Bloops: Yes. That was the glitch that I was talking about in my vote. Bloc Partier (talk)
@KS3: Actually, he doesn't have too - according to the no-sig policy, he's allowed to do [[User:LucariosAura|XYZ]]. Marioguy1 (talk)

@Baby Mario Bloops: We aren't going to use the template. We are going to vote on the quotes like the images for the FI, so 1. we won't get any bad quotes, and 2. this won't cause the glitch.

Bring back Weekly Polls

We used to have weekly polls, and they are very good. We still have this page. But instead of doing only one poll, we will be doing 3 polls. The reason why is because let's say the poll is "What is the easiest stage in Platformer games", and you only own Spinoffs and RPGs, then you can't answer the poll, while if you have 3, then you can at least answer one.

Proposer: KS3 (talk)
Voting start: 25 February 2010, 22:00
Deadline: 4 March 2010, 23:00

Bring them back

Don't bring them back

Comments

It got removed because it was too bustling with activity ONLY with that Poll page. I may be fond of the Poll of the Day, but we don't get it our way all the time. BabyLuigiOnFire (talk)

Removals

Another Proposal on removing the FI

We voted to keep the FI via this old proposal - [1]. The FI is like idle and most of the pictures that are there are kind of bad (pixelly, logo everywhere, too small, etc.). and Per the reasons of the old proposal.

An alternative is to reuse old pictures like the Featured Articles, as said in the old proposal.

Proposer: Red Shell 68066vr (talk)
Deadline: February 25, 2010, 23:00

Remove the FI

  1. Red Shell 68066vr (talk) Per proposal.
  2. Time Q (talk): Per my reasoning on the old proposal. I don't think the main problem is running out of images. I think the main problem is that the concept of FIs is rubbish. Unlike articles, images are not our work. Also see my comment below.
  3. Bloc Partier (talk) -- Per all.
  4. Walkazo (talk) - Per Time Q.
  5. LeftyGreenMario (talk) I'm done with this. We can't do featured images properly unless we have an unbiased point of view. Too bad that's impossible because we use opinions to feature images. Nothing else on our wiki uses opinions to feature things. I think featured images should go down the sewers. And the empty white space? Whatever. I don't care.
  6. Stooben Rooben (talk) - Per Time Q.

Reuse old pictures

Keep as it is

  1. King Bean (talk) - There are still a lot of images that deserves to be featured. We haven't ran out of them yet.
  2. Fawfulfury65 (talk) If you keep a sharp eye out for images, you eventually find a nice one. And of course SMG2 doesn't have any artwork yet, it doesn't even have a release date yet! I think we'll have enough images for quite a while, though.
  3. Reversinator (talk) There's no release date of SMG2, and you're expecting artwork from that game to just fall from the sky? Per all.
  4. 4DJONG (talk) As I said before, the wiki still has plenty of images worthy of being featured. Images might not be our work but they give a break from all the writing on the main page, If we get rid of them there wont be any thing but writing on the main page.
  5. Tucayo (talk) - Per all.
  6. BabyLuigiOnFire (talk) They're still Mario stuff, even if it wasn't our own work. Besides, Featured Images give color and touch to the main page. Come on, think of main page with just two images and the rest are text. Plus, not everyone would look at the 'Shroom anyway.
  7. Gamefreak75 (talk) How many times is this proposal gonna come up? Per all. And what do you mean it's been a week and no pics of SMG2? >_>' And like everyone said, who's gonna want to read a main page full of text. The pitures give it personality and color instead of reading text after text.
  8. Baby Mario Bloops (talk) - As I said in the last proposal of this, and the fact that your impatient and too literal to realize that SMG2 won't be out in a week, so give it time and enjoy the great images we have around the wiki.
  9. Zero777 (talk) I am Zero! Per all. Zero signing out.
  10. MATEOELBACAN (talk) Per King Bean.
  11. Marioguy1 (talk) - The FI adds an artistic touch to the wiki. We can't have everyone thinking that we are a boring place that nobody wants to be at. We need to do two things to keep the wiki a happy place for some users. 1. Have images as well as articles. 2. Keep The 'Shroom running. This may as well be a proposal to remove the 'shroom as the 'shroom does not include any factual information or help the wiki knowledge in any way. The 'Shroom is simply a community project that many users like and have fun with, as are FIs - while they are very disorganized and very illogical in some places, users still like them and they should stay to make users like the wiki.
  12. Pie Shroom (talk) Per all.

Comments

First of all: Super Mario Galaxy 2 has not been released yet. I don't know what you're talking about. Second: You can't just propose to "reuse old pictures", you should at least propose rules of when to do so. For example, if an image has less than 10 positive votes at the end of a week, reuse an old picture. Third: one of the reasons for opposing my old proposal was that the Main Page wouldn't be balanced anymore without the FIs. Look at our current Main Page. Since talk page proposals were added to it, it's not balanced anymore at all. Now if we remove the FIs and move the talk page proposals to the right, we could balance it out again. Time Q (talk)

About the "not our work" thing for the images. I would think of something like this to be going on the shroom', but what if we had some thing like FIs where we could have fan made Mario images made by us users? And the one with the most votes gets on the main page? Maybe? I'm not sure if this is a stupid idea or not so... Fawfulfury65 (talk)

I wouldn't recommend that. We only have official content on the wiki, no fanon articles etc., so we shouldn't encourage users to make images themselves. But of course we could have all that in the 'Shroom. Just like the FIs ;) Time Q (talk)

Everyone, I checked on a bunch of websites and it says that it comes out on February 11th, 2010. Red Shell 68066vr (talk)

You seriously think that it came out last week? Wow. Reversinator (talk)

Where did you hear that nonsense? It's supposed to come out around summer time...Gamefreak75 (talk)
I checked a bunch a websites, and they all said "TBA 2010". And I look at the official ones. Gamefaqs, IGN, Gamespot, you know, what you should rely on. Reversinator (talk)
Same at the Nintendo website. Nintendo is the most official and exact one (obviously). Gamefreak75 (talk)

Okay...
But we still have to get rid of the FI. Red Shell 68066vr (talk)

No, we don't all text on the main page and what someone (I forgot who...) brought up on the first removal of FI was a very good point. What will we replace it with because we can't have a huge are of whitespace on the front page. Gamefreak75 (talk)
There's a picture of Mario in the upper left corner and all the ads have pictures. Red Shell 68066vr (talk)
That Mario picture is not enough. And ads... I hate those things. They do not count as images in the main page since they are annoying and distracting. Besides, I use Firefox with Noscript and AdBlocker, which means I won't see those ads. LeftyGreenMario (talk)
I forgot. There is also the picture from the Featured Articles every article. Red Shell 68066vr (talk)
Still, the purpose of FI is to give a colorful touch to our wiki. That image with Featured Articles is just there because people are visual learners. Besides, I don't find the image with the Featured Article very appealing, and the news section either. Where should we fill that empty space, then, if we remove the FI? More text?

BabyLuigiOnFire (talk)

The Featured Images crap is all opinion based. We can't have that. I don't know what to replace the main page, though. Let's leave it like that. :P LeftyGreenMario (talk)
Nah, most of the time, we get good featured images, like the Super Mario Galaxy one and the Height Chart. Well, not everyone has the same opinions as us. Maybe that's why this "well-written" requirement for an FA has pretty much no meaning since we have different opinions of "well-written". Still, everyone can see low quality or blurriness, or white background, but everyone has their own opinion in other qualities of the picture. BabyLuigiOnFire (talk)

First of all, Super Mario Galaxy 2 is coming out in March 23, 2010. Second of all, this proposal is probably going to fail considering it is 6-12 and that it wouldn't make the main page any better. Third, there are a lot of good (Mario Party) pictures waiting to be featured. Fourth, @LGM So will the Featured Quote when it passes (look at the above section). Fifth, The ones that are bad usually get deleted in a week. -KS3 (talk)

Dude, what the heck are you even talking about? YOU started the proposal! Are you trying to take us for fools? Time Q (talk)
@LGM: While I agree with you that the FIs are very disorganized and have horrible reasons so far. That is not a point against the FIs. The FIs are a good idea. The people putting those votes up are the ones you should blame for the disorganization of the page - not the page itself as I really doubt the page itself can do that much harm as it is only a webpage...Marioguy1 (talk)

KS3 (talk) I'm going to take a break from here.

>_> Nothing to be discouraged about...and it's actually May, not March, it's a 2-month difference. Gamefreak75 (talk)

Changes

Proposals Should End At The end of the day one week after voting starts (In GMT)

It's a really long title, but here's what it's trying to say. Currently, after proposals are posted, there's a 24-hour delay, and then voting starts. Depending on when the voting period starts, the voting could end anywhere from 7 to 8 days from when voting starts. I don't like this, because I realise that the times (5 p.m. and 7 p.m. I think they were) were adjusted for the GMT proposal, but now the times are 11 p.m. and 2 a.m. of the next day. I believe the proposals, from the beginning of voting should end at 23:59:59 of the same weekday 7 days later. (i.e. From the proposal itself, +8 days and however many hours until 11:59 p.m. GMT). So, for instance, (for our purposes, let's just pretend that today is a Friday.) the voting for this proposal (it is currently 23:16, 23 February 2010), would end at the end of the day (23:59 or 0:00 depending on how you see it) of 2 March 2010, rather than 2:00 of 3 March 2010. I believe this would simply the process a lot more, not to mention that the whole ending time difference was so it's more convenient for people living on the East Coast to vote for. I apologize if the whole "end-of-the-day" thing is confusing; I tried my best to explain it. Feel free to ask questions in the comments before and after voting starts.

Proposer: Garlic Man (talk)
Voting start: 24 February 23:16
Deadline: 3 March, 2010, 23:00

Support

  1. Time Q (talk): Sounds like a good way to make things much less complicated.

Oppose

Comments

Actually, there is no difference with the GMT time, proposals end at exactly the same hour. Sorry if I didn't understand the proposal. Tucayo (talk)

He's proposing we scrap those ending hours and simply use midnight as the deadlines. I never liked how different days of the week had different ending times - it always seemed superfluous, and now that the conversion to GMT has pushed the weekend times into the following day, it's even more confusing. The proposal's example is a little hard to follow too, but if I understand correctly, simply put, Garlic Man is saying that the new system will be: "Proposal written on Day 1 at X:AB o'clock, voting starts on Day 2 at X:00 o'clock, deadline at Day 8 at 24:00 o'clock (which is also Day 9, 00:00); the day of the week doesn't matter." ...right? - Walkazo (talk)
Thanks Walka :) I udnerstand now. Seems a good idea Tucayo (talk)

Yes, that is correct. --Garlic Man (talk)

OK, this is kinda related - what will we do when voting opens? Remove the Voting Opens thing? Cross it out? Leave it as is? Marioguy1 (talk)
Uh, leave it as is. There would be no reason to change it. This proposal says nothing about changing it, so we would be unable to touch it. Bloc Partier (talk)

Miscellaneous

None at the moment.

 

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