Talk:Jammin' Toad

Same Toad?

Are both of the headphone wearing Toads here really the same? They're given different names, are wearing different headphones in different ways (pressed to spots on cap, vs wrapped around cap), and have very different roles in each game. --PopitTart (talk) 23:06, December 29, 2024 (EST)

Yeah, they should be split. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 12:31, December 30, 2024 (EST)

Arguing for the opposition: "The first of these characters does not have a name. It is a very informal description of what this character looks like, even if it is a consistently used description. The second character has a name, and their defining characteristic is that they have headphones. This conveniently is the defining characteristic of character 1, therefore we can plug character 2's name into character 1's empty slot." Do I agree with that line of thinking? Hmm, I'm not entirely sure where I fall. (It uh, is probably relevant that character 1 here appears to reuse the model of the Toad character wearing headphones from the Headphone Mario feature, therefore it could also be argued that character 1 also does not have a deliberately made visual appearance, which means the visual differences between character 1 and 2 are insignificant. Also not sure where I land on this, but given some other splits, intent also matters in terms of things sharing pages or not. Salmancer (talk) 12:04, January 5, 2025 (EST)

Let's split

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Current time: Thursday, February 20, 2025, 01:58 GMT

These two Toads are completely different as the Run one has a generic name and lets you play music on your mobile device while the Odyssey one has a proper name requires you to find a track from the Music List that he wants and hands you a Power Moon and as such should be split.

Proposer: PrincessPeachFan (talk)
Deadline: February 14, 2025, 23:59 GMT Extended to February 21, 2025, 23:59 GMT

March to their own beat (Support)

1. PrincessPeachFan (talk) Per proposal.
2. Salmancer (talk) We have two similar characters, not two identical ones, and we aren't supposed to speculate.
3. FanOfYoshi (talk) Per all.

March together (Oppose)

1. Nintendo101 (talk) I agree they are not really the same subject, but I do not really think they warrant having articles of their own. I would rather the one from Super Mario Run be merged with Headphone Mario (or at least the information pertaining to him) since this Toad does not really have a name or identity of his own, so he does not really qualify as a minor NPC. I'm not honestly sure the Jammin' Toad from Odyssey should be elevated to the status of a unique NPC either since he is simply referred as a "Toad" in-game, so the name "Jammin' Toad" may be a misperception from Prima Games staff, but at least he is tied to some specific Power Moons in Odyssey. Maybe both would make more sense lumped with Toad (species).
2. Arend (talk) Per NintendoFan101; should've added the option to move the Super Mario Run Toad to Headphone Mario instead, when you still got the chance to edit your proposal in the first six days.
3. Blinker (talk) Per both.

Comments

@PrincessPeachFan While I agree that the way these two are covered together is odd and should probably be changed, I still can't support your proposal. First of, you haven't given any argument for why the Toad for Run should have a dedicated article. Also, I'll point out that most information in such an article could easily be covered on Headphone Mario. I'd suggest adding an option to move the information on the Toad from Super Mario Run to that article. By the way, you should probably also mention your proposed title for the split article (I only just saw it on the split template) in the proposal text itself, as it's not immediately obvious. Especially since Toad wearing headphones and Toad (headphones) are both valid options. Blinker (talk) 10:06, February 1, 2025 (EST)

Headphone Toad do be looking exactly like "Toad wearing headphones" over here, so I'd rather move the SMR information from this article to Headphone Mario. rend (talk) (edits) 14:32, February 1, 2025 (EST)

I think I would support that before splitting off the SMR Toad into his own article. - Nintendo101 (talk) 17:15, February 2, 2025 (EST)

Headphone Mario is heavily promoted as a "feature" and the Toad wearing headphones activates that feature. I feel like splitting the toad, instead of mentioning it as a toad that resembles Jammin' Toad, would be like if we split off the coin rush button. Coin Rush is a feature, and the button activates that feature. I don't think there's enough evidence to support they're different characters, or even enough information on what is just a glorified button.-- SComic^(T|C) 09:26, February 9, 2025 (EST)

But we do split the coin rush button. It's Coin Rush Star. And "character as button" feels different than "button as button" Salmancer (talk) 09:38, February 9, 2025 (EST)

I was mainly referring to the one in Super Mario Bros. 2, sorry for the confusion as we were talking about Run. Either way, the Coin Rush Star feels more like a mechanic in a level rather than just a button. Not the best argument on my part, but I still stand with the idea that putting Toad wearing headphones information in Headphone Mario would make a lot of sense.-- SComic^(T|C) 09:52, February 9, 2025 (EST)