Talk:Fangamer

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Current time: Sunday, December 22, 2024, 21:52 GMT

The only reason for this article's existence is mainly because Fangamer made merchandise for RareRacers, a brand inspired by Diddy Kong Racing. And... that's pretty much it. Nothing about the brand has any Donkey Kong or Super Mario branding whatsoever. Yes, Diddy Kong Racing was branded as a kart racer featuring Diddy Kong. However, this particular brand avoids any Donkey Kong references in favor of Rare's original characters who are now far removed from the original brand. We don't have articles for Banjo-Kazooie and Banjo-Tooie, just because Tiptup appeared in those games. I do think it's worth mentioning in Diddy Kong Racing''s article, but that's about it.

Proposer: TheUndescribableGhost (talk)
Deadline: August 31, 2024, 23:59 GMT

Support

1. TheUndescribableGhost (talk) Per proposal
2. Super Mario RPG (talk) There's Diddy Kong then there's the Microsoft-owned cast of Diddy Kong Racing. Per proposer.
3. DrippingYellow (talk) Maybe I'm being a contrarian here, but given that the pins in question notably lack any direct mentions of Diddy Kong Racing itself (not to mention not being licensed by Nintendo to our knowledge, a crucial qualifier for something Mario-adjacent earning an article on here), I feel like this is enough to disqualify it from being considered official DKR merchandise per se. A good example of the wiki's already-established stance on these sorts of grey-area products is Kinoppe: despite originating from an official Mario manga, we don't cover her author-published, technically legal, spin-off manga in any capacity.
   So, to answer Arend's hypothetical in the comments: no, if there was a "Super RPG Pals" plush set with Mallow and Geno, and Nintendo didn't own the rights to those characters and weren't involved in licensing, then we wouldn't cover it. Rare Racers is to Diddy Kong Racing what Lara-Sue Chronicles is to the Archie Sonic comics.

Oppose

1. Hewer (talk) Articles for merchandise brands are valid, and the Diddy Kong Racing characters (besides Banjo and Conker) aren't really "far removed from the original brand". They were created for and used in Diddy Kong Racing, a game we fully cover, so it makes sense to cover its merchandise.
2. Pseudo (talk) Per Hewer.
3. Mario (talk) Per Hewer. The article is primarily focused on Diddy Kong Racing (not necessarily just Rare characters), a game we do extensively cover in the wiki so it's not too far off we cover brands that deal with Diddy Kong Racing merchandise.
4. Arend (talk) Per all, also see comments.
5. Camwoodstock (talk) Per Hewer. Diddy Kong Racing is under our coverage just fine, ergo, it makes sense to cover merchandise for it.
6. JanMisali (talk) Per all.
7. Ray Trace (talk) Per Hewer
8. Metalex123 (talk) I think we should keep the article. Sure the Diddy Kong Racing characters (minus Diddy and Krunch) are all fully-owned by Rare (and Microsoft), but it still gets full coverage on the wiki, since it is a game in the Donkey Kong franchise, using the name of a Nintendo-owned character in the title. "Rare Racers" is mostly just a marketing name used for that merch brand, since they can't really use "Diddy Kong Racing" for very obvious reasons. The merchandise was clearly inspired by Diddy Kong Racing. If these characters were to reappear in an actual "Rare Racers" reboot game, however, then it would be a different discussion, like how Tiptup, Banjo, and Conker all first appeared in Diddy Kong Racing, but only get full coverage on their appearance in Diddy Kong Racing, not full coverage on the Banjo-Kazooie and Conker series, since those are unrelated to the Donkey Kong/Mario franchises. Per all.
9. Sdman213 (talk) Per all.

Comments

Okay, so imagine, if you will, Fangamer got the rights from Square-Enix to make, say, a Geno plush, maybe a Mallow one too. Both as part of a Square-Enix collection. And these are the only two plushes they make outside of other original Square-Enix-owned characters because they need the rights from Nintendo for the Mario characters in Super Mario RPG; they can do Geno and Mallow just fine because those are owned by Square-Enix. Would one still think this page needs to be deleted because Square-Enix owns the characters and are """far removed from the Mario brand""", or is the page allowed to stay because Super Mario RPG is basically the ONLY game these two appear in?
You see, I feel like the Diddy Kong Racing cast is in a similar boat. Sure, it started out as a Pro-Am kart racer but then has Diddy plopped in for marketing, so one could say it's generally less attached because of this origin, but at the same time, we don't see any of the characters in any other Rare game. Timber is pretty much exclusive to Diddy Kong Racing, and so is Pipsy, and Drumstick, and Taj, and Wizpig. Hell, Krunch became a Kremling due to the rebrand! I think Tiptup and maybe T.T. are the only ones that made a cameo outside of Diddy Kong Racing. Point is, we all associate these characters with Diddy Kong Racing the same way we associate Geno and Mallow with Super Mario RPG, because that's the only games they respectively appear in, despite the fact that Nintendo owns none of those characters. And that's why I suppose covering Fangamer would be fine. (To be honest though, I was actually kinda surprised at first that Fangamer was allowed to make merch of the DKR cast with only Rare's permission) rend (talk) (edits) 17:33, August 17, 2024 (EDT)

My reason for this proposal is mainly because I get the impression that modern Diddy Kong Racing is slowly phasing out the Donkey Kong elements. Like, if there is a successor that uses the same characters, I can imagine how it could get controversial in terms on coverage on this wiki. On that example for the hypothetical Geno and Mallow thing, Geno and Mallow (from my knowledge) have yet to appear outside of the Super Mario franchise, while this particular brand "reboots" it if you will. I guess we never considered that idea. TheUndescribableGhost (talk) 21:07, August 18, 2024 (EDT)