User talk:81.227.6.208

Singular they

This is a perfect illustration on why singular they doesn't work. Even though I've researched that it's now accepted by more major writing institutions, give it some time because that writing still isn't acceptable. Ray Trace^(T|C) 22:10, 18 March 2016 (EDT)

You still used it yourself though? You can't claim it's unacceptable and then use it yourself!? That's not an illustration of why it doesn't work, it's just the pronouns being changed, which if that was even possible would imply that they/them is indeed a singular pronoun, otherwise you wouldn't be able to change it to he/him. And again, you still used it yourself, please provide actual evidence of why it is grammatically incorrect.

Informal speaking and formal writing are two entirely different things. It is generally more accepted to use "they" in the spoken sense of the word when referring to an indeterminate gendered human being, where as, formal writing is a bit more stagnant, as the pronoun-antecedents don't agree with each other, considering that "they" is a plural pronoun that simply doesn't agree with singular words such as "is" or a single person where it is describing. What I linked to is not my writing by the way, it's an edit made by an incompetent writer and it was reverted by an admin pretty quickly, with a questionable edit summary, which illustrates perfectly why using "they" in place of other alternatives (I hate he or she though, it's pretty terrible), despite being more and more accepted due to its ease of use these days, still doesn't quite fit into articles like what was demonstrated above. It's simply not right to say "Motley Bossblob tosses their blobs at you" or "You can defeat Motley by tapping them on the head". I can't explain this other than saying that is very awkward writing and just not correct. It is more accepted, but that doesn't necessarily mean I have to agree with it in its usage in formal language, in which this is what this wiki arguably uses. Ray Trace^(T|C) 20:28, 20 March 2016 (EDT)

... Well this is awkward...

Also, you do realize you just committed more than one form of discourteous behaviour right? More specifically, "speak unkindly of other users, either behind their backs or to their faces." and "act condescendingly towards new users.", as well as defend another admin for "undoing good faith edits without explaining why in the edit summary, especially if the user is new to the wiki." and "make derogatory edit summaries" (they did not add any explanation in the edit summary, though they did write a source on the discussion page, but without a source you can't claim it to be true. under "make derogatory edit summaries" includes the example "what the heck are you trying to say?", which is what the "what" edit summary in this case seems to have implied, but maybe I'm looking too much into it... Either way, I will bring it up with them). I have made one (1) edit that was based on nobody providing any sources for the article's pronoun usage. I am completely happy the other admin fixed it, because they did give a source. Before you ask, by the way, I do know there are sections about disrespecting admin authority, or something, and though I don't really agree with it because I think admins are never above criticism, I accept that's the rules and I would like to say I am not at all trying to be rude! I'm just saying that talking behind another user's back, especially a new user's, isn't very kind of you, especially as an admin, since I am supposed to trust you and I feel really really unwelcome by you, sorry... But please take these into consideration because you are not above the rules or criticism just because you're an admin and, uh, yeah maybe don't talk about new users behind their backs alright? This wiki is for everyone, and as far as I know I didn't do anything wrong or break any rules (Though I do admit I should've added an edit summary, sorry, I'm new so I didn't even know I could!!)

Okay, but back to the subject. They/them IS acceptable as a formal singular pronoun. The basis of "is" isn't applicable because the pronoun you also uses "are", but it's still singular. And before you say that's because it's second person and not third person, as someone whose first language isn't English I can tell you that singular you and plural you are the same because "you" used to be used as a formal second person no matter how many people, my language still uses our plural second person pronoun for people like the royal family. Basically, singular "you" only uses "are" because it comes from a plural pronoun, and the exact same goes with "they". If they/them isn't an acceptable formal singular pronoun, then what do you propose? He/she doesn't work, because believe it or not there's people who use neither so... On that subject, saying those examples are awkward is pretty transphobic of you, and as someone who uses they/them pronouns I feel pretty insulted honestly, but whatever whatever... Just, uh, try to imagine there was a character who was completely gender ambiguous, whose pronouns were never stated, what would you use? And I've already asked for it but PLEASE give me a source on why they/them isn't acceptable as singular instead of just saying it isn't, because I've given you plenty sourcing on why it is acceptable...

Again, I'm not angry and I really don't mean to come off as rude, I'm really really sorry if I do!! I am a bit saddened both by you calling me incompetent and you saying my pronouns are awkward, but I'm not angry. Thank you and please respond soon if you can thank you!!!--Lemmyistrans (talk) 15:52, 22 March 2016 (EDT)