Talk:Grrrol

Thwomps?

Any proof these are actually Thwomps? They don't even look similar, they look more like Bristles than anything... Binarystep (talk) 07:02, 17 April 2015 (EDT)

According to the article's creator, they were paired together because of their similarities, such as being gray and stony. I think this one's a bit up in the air; arguments could be made that its appearance is close enough to Thwomp, but arguments could certainly be made for the opposite, which is aided by the fact that there's no official backing for Grrrol's being Thwomps. I'd be fine with getting rid of the mention, but other people should voice their opinion. Hello, I'm Time Turner.

We should just remove the mention, these don't have anything in common with Thwomps other than being animate stone creatures (by that logic, Bristles and Clefts are also Thwomps). Binarystep (talk) 21:31, 1 May 2015 (EDT)

Well, they're both animated, gray, stony obstacles with cartoony faces that are covered with spikes around its edge, but I see your point. Hello, I'm Time Turner.

Ok Binarystep first of all Grrrols design are more closely related to Thwomps the the gray color, outer darker edge, the spikes, the color of their eyes, and similar to Thwomps and Whomps they try to roll into you/crush you at the same time, anyways Clefts merely try to ram you, and Bristles...well they're all shield based and as it says in its article it attacks with Destruction no crushing in there. Grrrol are more logical to be in the Thwomp family, while Bristle and Clefts can't be part of the Thwomp because they don't relate to them at all. Also if Grrrols are not Thwomps then explain why Spiny Tromps and Spiky Tromps are Thwomps besides their name. File:SpikyTrompSprite.PNG
File:NSMBU-Grrrol Artwork.pngThey have an accurately similar appearance to Grrrols and they behave the exact same way as them, it's only logical that both Grrrols and Mega Grrrols are Thwomps. Also neither the SPM tattle logs nor the cards don't refer both of the Tromps as a sub-variants of Thwomps TheHelper1000 (talk)

It might seem logical to you, but Time Turner pointed out that "arguments could certainly be made for the opposite". Tromps have the possible excuse to be related to Thwomps mainly because of their names. Grrrols, however, resemble Tromps which in turn kind of resemble Thwomps, so I think they're distant cousins at best, i.e. the connections are loose and its foundation is mildly speculative, so not a strong case. There is also no official backing behind the relationships of these enemies, so placing Grrrols under the same tree as Thwomps would be speculation. I think saying that they're related, perhaps distant cousins, would be the most logical way to go here. Related due to similar behavior, but kind of in a convergent way. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 20:35, 12 September 2015 (EDT)

With this logic, shouldn't we remove Whomps in the Thwomp category? Ray Trace^(T|C) 20:40, 12 September 2015 (EDT)

Responding to me or this discussion in general? Either way, good point. Also concerning your edit summary, "Where's the evidence that they aren't Thwomps._[sic]", evidence is usually used to prove the affirmative, not the negative. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 20:43, 12 September 2015 (EDT)

Responding to you. But Whomps clearly do make noises derived from Thwomps so they have a bit clearer connection. Man I'm getting a bit off topic, though. Ray Trace^(T|C) 20:47, 12 September 2015 (EDT)