Talk:King Boo

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About the Bowser mecha in the case of LM1: here's a clue for you guys:

The first Luigi's Mansion wasn't co-developed by the Mario Party team (Hudson Soft). BooDestroyer 20:02, 30 August 2011 (EDT)

What I mean is, the Bowser Suit is a Mario Party item. EAD doesn't care about Mario Party or anything from it. If it was that, then Hudson (or somebody out of them) would have to have been involved in this game, which they weren't. If they were, then they would have been noted in the credits for it.

But with that, it would be either a mecha of a Bowser or ideally, nigh similar to the False Bowsers of SMB1 in castles 1 through 7.

Really, can you people think before you speak for once? BooDestroyer 13:21, 5 September 2011 (EDT)

This is a total waste of space all your doing is stateing your personal thoughts you have no official source to support them and no we can't speak for ouselves that is the core of speculation only official sources may determine what we do and say on this wiki Goomba's Shoe15 (talk)

For God's sake, you're not making any freaking sense at all here. How old are you anyway, man? Do you really think it's a good idea to pester Nintendo for answers to everything about their games? It isn't. But if you want to think that LM1 was assisted by Hudson Soft...(But it's completely obvious that the first-party branches of Nintendo are not open at all to third-parties) BooDestroyer 13:44, 5 September 2011 (EDT)

I don't know and i don't care nothing you say is official nothing you say will ever be official with out a source saying it is Goomba's Shoe15 (talk)

Good grief, kid, do you even have any clue what I MEANT? You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Are you THAT terrible at seeing the blatantly obvious? Nintendo's first parties are not as open to the second- and third-parties, which is pretty clear when you play their games. That's a justified enough answer, but you're still not making any sense.

I swear, it's like I'm dealing with some lobotomized, alcoholic 12-year-old Twilight fans.BooDestroyer 14:02, 5 September 2011 (EDT)

Wow...once Goomba'sShoe15 asks if the above was a PA, you strike it. Afraid, no? Dr.Wario ''Those who risk, win.'' 14:15, 5 September 2011 (EDT)

Bowser Decoy = Either a False Bowser from Super Mario Bros. 1 (NES) or a perfect-ish animated Bowser Statue

I'd say it all comes down to this: It could be one of those False Bowsers from Super Mario Bros.. Those minions in Worlds 1-7 that made use of their own each would have had it the same way (minus the magic that King Boo had), as a means of magitech (magic and technology/science put together). While others like Bowser Jr. and the Koopa Bros. didn't use magic for their robot decoys (thus turning out the way they did), King Boo did, and he used some of it to have his version turn out realistically (and he may have had some of that black magic from SMB), unlike those other two. Therefore, magitech.

Or it could have been a Bowser Statue that was brought to life and given the actual Bowser coloring at King Boo's command, although flawed in design, as with the head. Its animation is his magic at work.

But from a development point of view, perhaps the game Luigi's Mansion, at that point, just wasn't graphically rich enough to represent it as a robot, and the developers ran out of resources for it (all that being used for the rest of the game), so they probably went with a regular Bowser model and just half'd their way through it, and well, ran with it in the end. But it's still clear that it is but a decoy, simple as that. Decoys, they're used in various forms all the time and this is just one of the many. Easy to understand now, hm...

There, a mystery solved. Now with that, let's go play some Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story. BooDestroyer 22:33, 14 May 2011 (EDT)

Not really more like you applied your own opinion which=100% speculation. Goomba's Shoe15 (talk)

Well, it isn't that hard to figure out. Isn't the Mario series all about that? Nothing makes sense in Mario's world as it is, and all of it is left up to our interpretation. The Mario series is anything you want it to be, how did you not know that by now? (Moreover, they don't necessarily need to be Transformer-shaped to qualify as robots, you know) BooDestroyer

Voice

Hey, in the triva section it mentions something about king boo's voice. Why can't that be in the description? I just wanted to say that here than make a edit that might be changed back anyway. User:Mechayoshi

Robot or Corpse?

Umm, maybe it's just me, but I'm pretty sure that the "Bowser" King Boo was using was a mock Bowser and not an animated corpse.Rueben

According to Madame Clairvoya, Bowser has been dead and is shocked that he has somehow returned, suspecting King Boo had some part of his resurection. Here are her final words: "Bowser? how can this be? I see the Hideous form of BOWSER?! I don't believe it, yet I see it. Could King Boo have found some way to revive Bowser?" It is most probable that "Bowser" is actually the Bowser, only dead and being manipulated by King Boo. Son of Suns 00:30, 21 July 2006 (EDT)

I had forgotten about that, but yeah, I kinda remember sommat like that, now that you mention it... *Feels Dumb* ;) (Talk about altenate universes. Bowser couldn't possibly have done as much as he's done if Mario actually killed him... Unless... Maybe Madame Clairvoya died during the events of the "New Super Mario". That would explain why she thinks Bowser is dead. She's working off old Information. ;) Yeah, I know I'm stretching but hey, it could work like that. hehehe)Rueben

Possibly, but it is likely that Bowser simply died after Paper Mario and was revived before the events of Super Mario Sunshine. By who? Unknown, but probably his son Bowser Jr. (as he revived Bowser later in New Super Mario Bros.). --Son of Suns 01:30, 21 July 2006 (EDT)

Maybe he was just posessed, like what Cackletta did. That would mean he's still alive, just under the influence. Anyway, that "corpse" looks a whole lot like a dummy to me. User: 3dejong

From Wikipedia:

Due to the fact that, in the game, Madame Clairvoya claims that Bowser has been 'soundly defeated' by Mario, many believe that Luigi's Mansion is set after all the other Mario games, even those yet to be released; whether or not this is true has not been confirmed. However, even death cannot stop the Koopa King. In New Super Mario Bros., Bowser dies (falls in lava and loses his skin in the process) and becomes an undead monster, only to be revived later in the game. If Bowser really did die before Luigi's Mansion, he may have been revived after the game, but many people deny this and say that after King Boo is defeated, Bowser will gain control over his body again. Either way, this means Luigi's Mansion is not necesarilly the last game chronologically, as Bowser can just be revived over and over again. There is a possibility that King Boo had possesed a still living Bowser.

Another reason for people believing that Luigi's Mansion is set after other Mario games is that King Boo says, "perhaps it is merely because I remember how much trouble you've caused me in the past...", when this is the first game King Boo has appeared in order of release. However, King Boo may have been referring to all the trouble Mario and Luigi have caused to his species; some also choose to believe that this is proof that King Boo and Big Boo are the same being. Luigi was also King Boo's captive in Super Mario 64 DS (which may be the events of the Nintendo 64 game as they 'really' happened). HK

Luigi's Mansion is not set in the future. You know why? Because Luigi just meets E. Gadd in Luigi's Mansion. Yet in Mario & Luigi: Super Star Saga, E. Gadd talks to Luigi and Mario like they've been acquainted for a while. Kobble 00:16, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

From the discussion on Bowser:

Didn't Nintendo origanally say Koopa/Bowser died in paper Mario, but no one believed them, so they gave King Boo that Koopa/Bowser suit to prove it? And then they changed thier minds? HK

I don't know if Nintendo officially stated Bowser died, but I don't think they would kill of their biggest villain. In Luigi's Mansion, Madame Clairvoya states Bowser has been "soundly defeated". Many consider this to mean Bowser died, but this could mean the Bowser was just beat up so much he couldn't fight for a while. Thus the suit at the end could be Bowser's corpse or a robotic (or magical) suit. But, Bowser did die in the New Super Mario Bros. and became an undead monster. However, he was just revived to his normal self. That means if Bowser died before Luigi's Mansion, he could have been simply revived. --Son of Suns 12:30, 28 June 2006 (EDT)

Yes, I havent beat sunshine, but maybe something there says he was revived by JR before that, too? HK

No. There is no mention of resurection in the entire game. It's just implied if you believe Bowser died before Luigi's Mansion. Like I said, Bowser could be in hiding, so weak after the battle in Paper Mario that he had to take a break and send both King Boo and his son to do his dirty work for him. Also, Luigi's Mansion cannot be the last game chronologically. This is because Professor E. Gadd invents the Poltergust 3000 in this game, but invents the Super Poltergust 3001 in Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga, and the Poltergust 4000 in Mario Kart DS. If Luigi's Mansion was last chronologically, then the Poltergust Luigi uses would have to have a higher model number than previous Poltergust models. --Son of Suns 15:05, 28 June 2006 (EDT)

Hmmm... I have no idea what to think now! I also wonder if Paper mario takes place in some alternate paper world, and that none of its events have any bearing on the real life, and Clairavoya was reffering to Mario 64...... HK

How do you know Clairvoya was referring to Super Mario 64? Also, Paper Mario probably exists in the same realm as the other games; the Paper Mario series just have certain stylistic choices, like all Mario games. --Son of Suns 19:41, 28 June 2006 (EDT)

Actually, I am only making theories. I'm just thinking! Making sense of this whole timeline....HK

Guys... it's just a game. Anything the developers want can happen. --DarkInsanity (talk)

And the developers even want us to come up with stuff ourselves too. They leave everything up to our interpretations all the time. BooDestroyer

I know. But I find it fun to try to make sense of the nonsensical Marioverse. =) --Son of Suns 09:23, 29 June 2006 (EDT)

That was well put Son Of Suns. Very well put. HK

On second examination, it seems Bowser did die before Luigi's Mansion. In the game, Madame Clairvoya says: "Bowser? how can this be? I see the Hideous form of BOWSER?! I don't believe it, yet I see it. Could King Boo have found some way to revive Bowser?" This mean Bowser died in between Paper Mario and Luigi's Mansion. Also, this means that King Boo is most likely using Bowser's corpse as a weapon during the final fight with Luigi. However, Bowser was truly revived somewhere in between Luigi's Mansion and Super Mario Sunshine. --Son of Suns 15:58, 29 June 2006 (EDT)

Seems Nintendo has a lot more plot holes than people thought. I only ever noticed the twins/mario is older hole before. I've started examining the series more closely, and I've started to question the plotline. HK

I think it's a suit for two reasons:

• It doesn't seem very much like Nintendo to have decapitation beyond Yoshi eating a Pokey.
• At the end of Mario is Missing, I vividly remember Bowser being launched out of a cannon into the tundra, and his body freezing and breaking in half. Either Bowser actually died or it was an early prototype of the Bowser suit.

Of course, looking at them now, my second argument, involving bifurcation (I think that's the word) in an edutainment game, sheds some doubt on my first argument. But either way, I'm not sure, and these theories are really intriguing. CrossEyed7 15:08, 6 August 2006 (EDT)

Well, now that I've thought about it for a year, my current theory is that Nintendo originally intended for King Boo to be Bowser's ghost, as part of that whole "more mature Mario" thing, and when Luigi's Mansion didn't do as well as they'd hoped, they decided to abandon that and just make them separate characters. CrossEyed7 08:14, 4 October 2007 (EDT)

Robot

I beleive that King Boo simply got Bowser or someone else to make a bowser suit for him just to confuse us. --PeteyPiranhaLover 15:54, 3 August 2006 (EDT)

Dancing on the line...HK

Dancing on the line . . . ? Huh?

Anyway, some articles on the Wiki say that it's a bot, others say Bowser really died. Shouldn't we come up with one theory and put it on every article? Waluigi Freak 99 18:01, 28 August 2006 (EDT)

I always thought that the Bowser in this game was a robot because A)There's no blood, B)It's distinctly robotic-looking, and most importantly, C)Madame Clairvoya says Bowser was DEFEATED, not killed. Monty Mole 18:06, 28 August 2006 (EDT)

True, there's no blood, but many Mario characters have died without blood. I do think it's a robot. Waluigi Freak 99 18:31, 28 August 2006 (EDT)

The most logical theory is that King Boo is using Bowser himself. First, like Waluigi Freak said, just because there is no blood during the battle, doesn't mean it's a robot. There has never been blood in a Mario game, despite the fact that Mario himself has been stabbed multiple times. In the game, Luigi even could get smashed by a Trapdoor, but instead of having his internal organs crushed with blood spewing everywhere, Luigi is flattened in a cartoon-like fashion. This means that Bowser could be a real body even without blood. Secondly, if Bowser really was a robot, it would be the most life-like robot in a Mario game. All the other Mecha Bowsers have been clearly mechanical. This Bowser seems alive and moves in a fluid motion. If anything, it could be a magical apparition, but certainly not a mechanical robot. However, Madame Clairvoya says that Bowser was soundly defeated at the hands of Mario. Later, when she sees Bowser in a vision, she freaks out and ponders how King Boo could have revived Bowser. This means, at the very least, that Bowser did die before the events of Luigi's Mansion, otherwise, he wouldn't need to be revived (and Madame Clairvoya wouldn't freak out at his return; Bowser returns everytime, but has never returned from the dead prior to this game). This also implies, but does not prove, that the Bowser body in the game is a revived Bowser. This is the best answer from the game itself. However, we do have another mystery at hand. After Luigi captures King Boo and returns him the Portraitficationizer (or whatever it's called), not only do we see the spirit of King Boo, we also see the spirit of Bowser right next to him. This indicates that a spirit form of Bowser may have aided King Boo, and was captured when King Boo was. -- Son of Suns

The Hard Truth

I've finally asked Nintendo(NOA) about this controversial topic. First you have to narrow the facts down. Nintendo claims that it was in fact a suit. Second the Mario Rpg Series, Sport Series, Donkey Kong Series and Mario Party Series(including Mario is Missing) does not tie into the plot in any way.These games were made from foreign developing companies.So are the Shows, Movie, and comics(Nintendo Power is also considered a foreign company) Only the Mario Platformers, Mario Sidescrollers, Mario Kart Series,Yoshi Series, and Luigi's Mansion are pure Nintendo products. They wouldn't tell me any more. Nintendo said use your imagination and think because there is definately a straight plot.

They said "use your imagination" for a good reason, you know. BooDestroyer 22:27, 14 May 2011 (EDT)

Sigh . . .

Actually, there has been blood. In Super Mario Bros. 2, when Wart died, there was red liquid forming around his eyes in the background. Just felt like pointing that out.

Anyway, we know that Bowser died. But we know that King Boo used a robotic suit. It's possible that King Boo actually IS Bowser. But of course, that's unlikely, because both Bowser and King Boo were both in Super Mario Sunshine, and were clearly separate characters. So that theory's out the window.

While we try to figure out exactly what happened, let's change every article and say that it is unclear what happened. This article says Bowser died, the Bowser article says it was a suit, and I'm sure there's some more in this Wiki that say something else. Waluigi Freak 99 18:06, 29 August 2006 (EDT)

Well, it could be that Bowser died in NSMB and was revived by Bowser Jr, but was still weak, so Bowser Jr made a Bowser suit for King Boo to use. --User:Superchao

I think that NSMB happened after Luigi's Mansion. If Bowser ever died, it was in Paper Mario. What I believe is that King Boo wanted to use Bowser's body, but Bowser's spirit wouldn't let him, so King Boo used a Bowser suit. Apparently, after King Boo was defeated by Luigi, Bowser and King Boo formed a truce and King Boo revived Bowser. King Boo then went on to serve as one of Bowser's minions.

That's what I think, anyway.

Waluigi Freak 99 18:56, 29 August 2006 (EDT)

Well, Bowser lived after Paper Mario. It could be that Madame Clarovoyia was speaking in riddles, and meant that Bowser had somehow returned after beating beaten, and that's where the suit came from.--User:Superchao

Okay . . . perhaps Bowser died in between Paper Mario and Luigi's Mansion. I don't thinK Madame Clarovoyia was speaking in riddles.

By the way, Superchao, you should start signing your comments. I tire of having to do it for you. Waluigi Freak 99 19:01, 29 August 2006 (EDT)

Sorry. Plus, Bowser probably survived, and Clarovoyia was talking about his recovery, or she didn't know it was a suit. Superchao 19:03, 29 August 2006 (EDT)

Maybe Madame Clairvoya was just mistaken about the "revive" comment? That would mean it really is a suit.Monty Mole 19:20, 29 August 2006 (EDT)

So what we've got is: Bowser was defeated in Paper Mario. Madame Clarovoyia thought he was dead, but he lived. Bowser went to Luigi's Mansion for some reason, probably because Mario went there, and most likely witnessed King Boo turn Mario into a painting. King Boo saw Bowser and constructed a robotic version of Bowser. Madame Clarovoyia sees the robot Bowser and thinks that Bowser has been revived.

That pretty much sums up what we've decided on so far. It seems like the most likely explanation. Waluigi Freak 99 19:31, 29 August 2006 (EDT)

Still, we'll never know for 100% sure. Monty Mole 19:33, 29 August 2006 (EDT)

You can't just assume Madame Clairvoya was mistaken. She is the best source we have. Bowser died sometime between Paper Mario and Luigi's Mansion, according to the ghost psychic. Later, Bowser appeared in a spirit form at the end of the game, along with King Boo. As indicated by both the game and the Player's Guide, the Bowser battle body could very well be Bowser, but is at the very least a very convincing disguise. There is no evidence to suggest that King Boo and Bowser met at Luigi's Mansion then King Boo made a robotic suit. Like I said before, the suit is probably not robotic, but magical (if it's not Bowser's actual body).

To recap: Bowser did die between Paper Mario and Luigi's Mansion at the hands of Mario. Bowser's spirit appears at the end of Luigi's Mansion with King Boo, and is trapped inside a painting with him. The battle body may be Bowser's actual body, but at the very least it is a very convincing Bowser disguise.

We should put that info in the King Boo and Bowser articles for that's all that we know for sure. -- Son of Suns

We can't, because it's just a theory. How do we know Bowser died or if PM is right before LM?

Here are the facts:

1)According to Madame Clairvoya, Bowser died before the events of Luigi's Mansion, as he wouldn't need to be revived if he was not dead. 2)Bowser's spirit appears at the end of the game along side King Boo, and both are trapped in the painting. 3)Based on Madame Clairvoya's statements, it can be inferred that the Bowser battle body is Bowser himself, but at the very least it is a very convincing Bowser disguise (we don't know if it is a robot; disguise is the best word to use because it encompasses a broad range of objects). -- Son of Suns

It is possible that the Madame meant how he could have been recovering. It may not be Bowser's spirit, but whatever magic was powering the suit. Maybe Bowser used a bit of his own spirit. The suit is revealed to be a suit, because when the head is removed, it has a robotic interior. At least say it is only a theory.

I don't think Madame Clairvoya would express shock if Bowser recovered from injuries (he does so after every game and keeps coming back). However, coming back from death is quite a shock. Also, why would King Boo need to revive Bowser if he is simply recovering from injuries. Madame Clairvoya says that Bowser has been "soundly defeated", meaning he would never come back (by any natural means). It would make sense that the Bowser spirit is a spirit, as the machine is designed to turn ghosts into paintings (and it would support Clairvoya's claims that Bowser is dead). And I don't remeber the suit having a robotic interior; in fact, I think all you can see is black. -- Son of Suns

Well, how are we to know? Maybe Bowser was still alive, but so badly injured, he needed help, so King Boo controled his body while Bowser recoved, and that is why he was caught and later, when he was stronger, he broke free of the painting and took back his body. Superchao 16:30, 30 August 2006 (EDT)

Let's try including this information in the articles:

1) Bowser was "soundly defeated" by Mario some time before the events of Luigi's Mansion and may have been "revived" by King Boo (as stated by Madame Clairvoya). 2) The Bowser fought at the end of the game may be the actual Bowser, but it is at the very least a very convincing Bowser disguise (as stated by the official Player's Guide). 3) A transparent essence that resembles a spirit form of Bowser appears at the end of the game, and is trapped inside the painting with King Boo.

Does that work, given what we know to be true? -- Son of Suns

Using the sources, that sounds good. Do it, as this is becoming a lengthy conversation. Wayoshi ( T·C·@ ) 21:34, 30 August 2006 (EDT)

Articles Changed

I've changed both the King Boo and Bowser articles to display the information we've agreed on in this article. I'm actually now leaning towards the possibility that King Boo possessed Bowser's corpse, and that Bowser was revived before Super Mario Sunshine (probably by Bowser Jr.). Waluigi Freak 99 14:04, 2 September 2006 (EDT)

I changed your edits as well. I replaced "robot" with "disguise". We don't know if it's a robot or not. -- Son of Suns

Okay, because it could either be a dead Bowser who was revived, a Bowser who was weak enough for King Boo to possess, or a disguise infused with a tiny bit of Bowser's spirit. Superchao 15:12, 2 September 2006 (EDT)

Thanks, Son of Suns. Didn't catch that.Waluigi Freak 99 13:18, 3 September 2006 (EDT)

I would just like to point out that this Bowser disguise is not the first. There were multiple Bowser disguises in Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels. Goombas, Hammer Bros., and even Bloobers wore these disguises, and would be exposed if these decoys were destroyed with fireballs. -- Son of Suns

I don't think that King Boo disguised a living Bowser; if he did, Bowser surely died when Luigi decapitated him, and we didn't hear Bowser scream or even gasp a last breath after that. He was either dead or not there.

Guess we'll never know . . . Waluigi Freak 99 14:41, 9 September 2006 (EDT)

Actually there was blood. Its hard to notice amoung the explosion though. Nintendo probaly blended it in to keep an E rating. I personally think King Boo in this game hates BOwser. I think the one in this and sunshine are different Boos. The one in sunshine is really playful and boo like. The one in mansion seems serious all the time and Grodus like.

Hmm... I'll have to watch for that. It isn't too far-fetched to have a bleeding final boss in a Mario game... Let's think Wart... --YellowYoshi398 22:36, 17 March 2007 (EDT)

Fan art

Why does King Boo's new picture look like fan art? whoever uploaded that picture should get rid of it!PeteyPiranhaLover 19:26, 26 September 2006 (EDT)

That picture is from Luigi's Mansion not fan art. Paper Jorge ( Talk·Contributions·) Paper Jorge was here at... 19:47, 26 September 2006 (EDT)

If you played the game, PPL, that is the gold ghost portrait obtained for defeating King Boo/Bowser Suit without being damaged. It is meant to look like it was made out of pastel. Wayoshi ( T·C·@ ) 20:16, 26 September 2006 (EDT)

NOT a fan art. Mada Mada Dane

King/Boss

I'm not really sure about the American versions of the game, but in the Japanese versions of the games, in Luigi's Mansion the boo is known as "King Boo", where as in SMS, he(or it's) Boss boo. Can someone verify that in the American versions, they are, in fact the same character? (Besides, the one in L's Mansion has a polygonal crown, unlike all of the other ones, wearing a crown similiar to Peach's.) Super Mario 256 20:25, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

In Super Mario Sunshine, the episode King Boo appears in is named "King Boo Down Below". -- Son of Suns

Well,what I think is there are multiple King Boos,in Luigi's Mansion,King Boo looked like a big boo with a crown and oversized tounge,in his next appearence,he had an even bigger tounge and had blue eyes,but this doesn't explain the Bowser suit. Mr. Guy the Guy Talk!^E

Characters change appearance all the time. That does not mean they are not the same character. -- Son of Suns

Very true. I think they're all the same. User:King Boo 20:14, 13 October 2007 (EDT)

What the first user meant is that the Japanese names are different. In Luigi's Mansion, it was indeed King Teresa, but Super Mario Sunshine's version was called Boss Teresa. However, when it got translated, either someone was lazy or they were confused, so they mistranslated and slapped on the name "King Boo" on the latter. It's actually another character alltogether. LinkTheLefty 22:49, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

Picture

• Shouldn't we get a recent picture of him that shows his current appearence? Like from Mario Party 8...Darth waluigi 21:13, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

...King Boo was in Luigi's Mansion first.

November 21, 2004, DS's release, was much after May 3, 2002, 64 DS's update. If you are referring to the giant Boo in 64, he did not wear a crown, and his laugh was different than King Boo's. He was simply referred to as "Big Boo".

Is there any proof that he's in with the Koopa Troop?

Like with Petey Piranha, there's no solid proof that he's working for Bowser. Going after Mario because he's a threat to the Boo species doesn't mean that he's Bowser's partner in any way. Like Petey Piranha, he can simply be angry towards them (like Petey Piranha attacking because he interrupted his sleep) and want to fight them.
The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chaos (talk).

King Boo Dilemma

• Something has been bugging me regarding King Boo. As we have all known, there have been three different forms of King Boo so far, but I don't think they're all the exact same character. However, I do think that each King Boo is the ancestor of the other.
  For example, Super Mario Sunshine's King Boo would be the ancestor of the King Boo from Luigi's Mansion, while today's King Boo would be the ancestor of the past two King Boos.
  Does anyone else seem to question this situation? M&SG (talk) 16:44, 2 February 2009 (EST)

I actually think each Mario is the son of the Mario from the previous game. But that's speculation. There's no evidence to suggest there are multiple King Boos, so saying they are all different would be speculation as well. -- Son of Suns (talk)

I've also been wondering that ever since I first encountered Sunshine's "King Boo". The two boos don't even look anything alike, aside from being boos! First look at the cool, ruby-crowned King Boo from Mansion, then look at the ugly, humongous-tounged "King Boo" from Sunshine. I say it's more likely that they are different characters than the same. Lord Xavius 13:08, 11 February 2009 (EST)

I think that that the two King Boos are the same person because the King Boo in Luigi's Mansion says something like, "This is for all the trouble you caused me in the past" So maybe Super Mario Sunshine happened before Luigi's Mansion and the peppers were so hot on King Boo's tongue that it decomposed his tongue and he probably found a new crown and put in colored contacts. P.S. I strongly doubt that each Mario is the son of the Mario in the previous game, Son of Sons. User:Lemmy Koopa Fan

Um... Doubtful. There's no logic to show Super Mario Sunshine taking place before Luigi's Mansion (look at the quote "I wish someone would take a vacuum and suck up these ghosts... why are you looking at me like that?) I'm pretty sure the "all the trouble in the past" is explained by Super Mario 64 DS, in which, mark it- MARIO defeated King Boo. -PPF

I think it's possible that the Mansion King Boo could still be in the "Artsy Lonesome" (My nickname for E.Gadd's gallery in Mansion) and the current incarnation of King Boo could be an heir of some sort.Shadow Master 15:00, 22 May 2010 (EDT)

KING BOO'S RELATIONSHIP WITH PETEY PIRANHA

It's-a me! Mario freak Do King Boo and Petey share a relationship? Mario freak (talk)

Clearly they must be acquaintances because of Mario Kart: Double Dash!. Otherwise, they've never been in the same area. BLOC PARTIER.

I doubt it, I think they were chosen because they were the right size for the karts and randomly put them together User:ChillGuy

They have good chemistry im MSS. Bowser's luma 21:53, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Semi-Protection?

This is concerning the current protection of the article. The article was protected because a certain user vandalized the picture repeatedly by switching the main artwork of the article. Said user was banned, but apparently knows nothing better to do with his life than to re-register with another IP and repeat the circle.

However, after re-registering, a user loses the privilegues of a longtime user (moving and editing semi-protected articles), and has to wait for about a month to get them back. That said, wouldn't it be better to semi-protect this article? That way we could block out the malevolent user, while allowing the other users to edit the article further. - Gabumon^(talk) 02:25, 10 November 2009 (EST)

• I noticed that only Sysops can modify this article too. I was hoping to add a certain template onto that article, but because of the full protection, that's not possible right now. M&SG (talk) 12:43, 11 November 2009 (EST)

I agree with Edo, it should be semi-protected and we could just block the vandal after...--FREAK ~Game Freak~ OUT!

Besides, I'm sure we have enough users and administrators to combat a vandal... If worse comes to worse, and a regular users cannot undo an edit made by the person, then a patroller/sysop could just go ahead and use rollback (or a regular user edit the last good revision). Per Edofenrir. · SMB (Talk) · 12:52, 11 November 2009 (EST)

• It'll soon be a full month since this article received full protection. When will the full protection be lifted? Again, semi-protection can be considered if you feel that this article still needs to be protected from the newer Mario Wiki members. M&SG (talk) 16:48, 5 December 2009 (EST)

Split Super Mario Sunshine section to Template:Fakelink

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In the Japanese language editions of various Mario games, there is a character called キングテレサ Kingu Teresa. There is also a Super Mario Sunshine exclusive character called ボステレサ Bosu Teresa. Both of these are localized into English as "King Boo", creating an ambiguity. Based on the precedent set at Talk:Yo'ster Isle, I'm proposing that the information pertaining to Bosu Teresa be split to a separate article at Template:Fakelink.

Proposer: Twentytwofiftyseven (talk) Deadline: 23:59, 16 April 2010 (GMT) Support Twentytwofiftyseven (talk) KS3 (talk) Kingu Teresa stands for King Boo, while the other one stands for Boss Boo, the official name for King Boo in Super Mario Sunshine. Edofenrir (talk) - If the Japanese names are different, they are likely to be different characters. Per 2257. Mr bones (talk) - They have different appearence,and different names in japan,the game was made in japan,so they are different characters.Per 2257. Grandy02 (talk) - Same as the Wiggler boss - the creators named the Sunshine King Boo differently, so he is most likely intended to be a separate character. Oppose Commander Code-8 (talk) Why are there always people who think there needs to be a new article just because there's a translation difference? Comments @Commander Code-8: This isn't a translation difference, as the Japanese version is the original and not a translated version, almost all Mario games are made in Japan. And the team that developed the game (which included Mario's creator Shigeru Miyamoto as the producer who also produced the first King Boo's debut game Luigi's Mansion) named the SMS King Boo differently from the other one, implying that the two kings are intended to be different characters. --Grandy02 17:54, 2 April 2010 (EDT) @Commander Code-8: The King boo in Super Mario Sunshine is supposed to be named Boss Boo, or how about let's split Goby from Cheep Cheep, and merge Blue Toad (toad Brigade) into Blue Toad (NSMBW) and Metal Mario (character) and Metal Mario (form). KS3 (talk · contribute)

King Boo and Bowser

I was playing Luigi's Mansion on my cousin's gamecube today,and I noticed somthing,King Boo was talking with Mario saying...Okay,it was the french version so I translate it:You have cosed me troubles in the past.What past?Is this line in the USA version too?Count Bonsula I need blood...

I bet he was refering to all the boos that were defeated by mario
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That just can't be right.Boos can never be killed before luigi's mansion exept in SM64.Even in SM64,they say"Ghosts can't DIE".I don't think these are "troubles".Count Bonsula I need blood...

Ghosts may not die, but they can still be hurt. Mario did hurt many in Super Mario 64, actually Big Boo may be King Boo. That's only pure speculation though. Still, as long as it's not confirmed then it's speculation, and speculations aren't allowed here. Koopalmier 15:05, 15 April 2010 (EDT)

And I also think that suit wasen't a suit.If it's a suit,then how does the head move when king boo is about to be sucked?Or,did you see how the "suit" fall at the end?It's like a body or somthing!Count Bonsula I need blood...

The head moves because it's a poltergeist. In other words, an object that is not alive is possessed. When King Boo is sucked up (and thus defeated), the "Bowser suit" is un-possessed and thus fall, as it can't maintain its weight. In other words, it falls like a basic item (or someone that'd fall) because it IS a basic item. Koopalmier 15:05, 15 April 2010 (EDT)

A website I was on said that Sunshine happened BEFORE Mansion,despite the order in which they were released! This may be what the Ghostly Supreme ( My nickname for King Boo) may have been talking about! Shadow Master 14:50, 22 May 2010 (EDT)

In comparing to what I said above, the same website said that the peppers Mario used on the incarnation of King Boo in Sunshine turned his eyes red (possibly a Boo version of bloodshot eyes) and the water Mario used on King Boo turned his tounge blue, thus, the face of the Luigi's Mansion incarnation of King Boo! Shadow Master 13:57, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

The "King Boo" character from Super Mario Sunshine is not the same character (that's why he's covered in a seperate article); besides having a different design, he bears a completely different name in the Japanese version and shows no other similarities either besides being a Boo with a crown. It doesn't matter what fan-made websites say, there is no official connection between the two. Just clearing this up.--vellidragon 14:44, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

I wonder...

I think King Boo and the rest of the Boos are the ghosts of Wart's minions! Do the math! The Boo species didn't appear until Super Mario Bros.3! King Boo,I believe is the ghost of Wart himself! Shadow Master 14:43, 22 May 2010 (EDT)

Though that could be possible, you can't add it into the article because its not official. But, you can still chat about it on the MarioWiki's forums. Fawfulfury65

Lady Bow and King Boo

I think Lady Bow is King Boo's daughter. In her article it states she acts in a "princess-like manner" (such as a Princess Boo maybe) and she also has power over some Boos, which leads me to believe Daddy (King Boo) gave her that power. Anyone share my opinion? Bowser's luma 21:56, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

I don't think so because King Boo is part of the Koopa Troop. Bow helps Mario defeat enemies that belong to the Koopa Troop, and Bow is a lady/noble, not a princess.--Holyromanemperortatan 22:24, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

She acts in a princess-like manner, but she's not a princess. Besides, the fact that King Boo is a king doesn't make him the father of all Boo princesses. He is just King because he's the leader of them. In my opinion this is nonsense. Supermariofan14

No relation is mentioned in the games. Take this to the forums guys.--Knife (talk) 15:20, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Okay, just wondering. Bowser's luma 21:01, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

I've got it! (?)

just as Britain has a Queen and Italy has a Monarch, these two boo kings are the kings of boos in different lands! I know it is just fanon, but it would make scense. Lu-igi board

Italy it's a republic... Mikiuz

Luigi's Mansion quote

I think i've figured out what he means when he says that stuff about all the trouble Mario caused him in the past, because he is the king of all boos he might mean how mario has killed alot of boos in his adventures, which might make sense; it would also give more reason why luigi's mansion came first. L is real 2401