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Also note: The official slogan of Youtube Poop is "Where there's smoke, they pinch back." Which is an almaglamation of two lines from Hotel Mario. It appears at the start of many poops, along with the YTP logo. {{User|Moleman9000}} | Also note: The official slogan of Youtube Poop is "Where there's smoke, they pinch back." Which is an almaglamation of two lines from Hotel Mario. It appears at the start of many poops, along with the YTP logo. {{User|Moleman9000}} | ||
Will you stop putting randrap in the comments, Moleman9000. It's not going to change our minds. YouTube Poop is... well poop, and we're not going to put crao like that in this wiki. {{User|Nerdy Guy}} | |||
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How many users dont even know about the Pipe Plaza, because ther're almost no links to it, so i say we should add a link to it in the left-side bar. So, who's with me? | How many users dont even know about the Pipe Plaza, because ther're almost no links to it, so i say we should add a link to it in the left-side bar. So, who's with me? |
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A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code {{user|User name}}. Signing with the signature code ~~~(~) is not allowed due to technical issues. How To
The times are in EDT, and are set so that the user is more likely to be online at those times (after work/school, weekend nights). If a proposal is added on Saturday night at 11:59 PM EDT, the deadline is the next Saturday night at 8:00 PM. If it is a minute later, the deadline is a day plus 15 hours (Sunday), as opposed to a day minus 4 hours. New FeaturesMario CalendarWikipedia's Main Page has a "On this day" feature which shows all past events that happened on that day. I had the idea of something similar. A Mario calendar to go on the Main Page which shows past release dates of games released on that month. For example, it's November, so it shows most/all Mario games released on November (for example, Super Mario Galaxy was released November 2007, so it will be listed in the Calendar). Other important Mario events will be listed such as Shigeru Miyamoto's birthday. I think it'd be a cool thing to have on the Main Page. What do you think? Proposer: Paper Jorge (talk) Add it to Main Page
Don't add itCommentsJust as a note Stumpers, if we can't find the release date for a certain game, in this case, Donkey Kong, then I guess, we don't have to randomly add it in the calendar. It can be left out, I guess. Paper Jorge (talk)Even if it is the first Mario game in history.
It's a great idea, but it bugs me that the calendar only uses US dates at the moment. If other regions get included as well, I'll support. And if you think that would be too much, I'd suggest to use the original release dates regardless of region (very often not the US).--Grandy02 16:37, 4 November 2008 (EST)
Luigi3000 (talk) Think we should have a different pic each month like for the first month mario next luigi after that peach get it it would be a different characterr or enemy each month.
RemovalsNone at the moment. Splits & MergesKirby's formsCompared to other SSB contestant pages, Kirby's article is too long because of his Forms list. I feel we should give his forms a separate page to equal it out. But i can't do it without your permission. So what do you guys think? New page or same page? Proposer: Storm Warrior (talk) Create New page
Leave it as it is
CommentsStorm Warrior (talk) Dom, I'm not saying I'm giving every form a separate page, but rather 1 page. And I'm not saying It's long, it's just longer than SSB contestant pages like Falco and Ganondorf. Captain RainbowAs you know, we have an article on the game Captain Rainbow. I think we should merge it with Video Game Refrances. I think we should do this, because of the following:
With those reasons above I think we should merge Captin Rainbow with Video Game Reffrances Proposer:Nerdy Guy (talk) MergeNo Merge
CommentsThough Birdo is originally from Doki Doki Panic, the official website of Captain Rainbow tells that she is from Super Mario USA (Super Mario Bros. 2). But I don't think that matters in any way, Birdo, the Shy Guys and more beings from the named game are an inherent part of the Mario universe today, even if they first appeared in an originally unrelated game. Grandy02 (talk) About the comment regarding NBA Street V3 and SSX on Tour (I believe those are the two games, right?), I would support that as well, for the same reason I support Captain Rainbow. Let's put a proposal together for that? Stumpers (talk)
ChangesNone at the moment. MiscellaneousYoutube PoopThis is a very urgent proposal I've been waiting to make for a long time. It regards the "Youtube Poop" video remixes on Youtube, and the prominence of Hotel Mario and Mama Luigi in them. I have tried multiple times to insert information about YTP into these two articles, but it has been continually removed and I have been told to make a proposal on it. Those who have been removing the YTP information inserted by me and others claim that it is not suitable for this wiki because it is Unofficial and Fan-made. However, we have a page for Sightings, which certainly are not official, except for "Sightings" in other Nintendo games. "Mama Luigi" and "Hotel Mario" are two of the most Well-known and commonly used sources for Youtube Poop videos. They have Thousands of YTPs in their name, and are Synonymous with the phenomenon. In addition, the tone of the Hotel Mario and Mama Luigi articles, as well as the articles on all similar works, are written in a tone that Puts them on the same level as "Official" Mario titles, in an entirely serious manor, discussing the subjects of Well Known YTP memes without even alluding to the phenomenon. I would like to have this seen into so that we can fix these two articles and add Youtube Poop Content. Thank you. Proposer: Moleman9000 (talk) SupportOppose
CommentsAs I stated earlier: even this might be a stretch, but the only possible way I could see getting YTP on this wiki is to put it here. Stooben Rooben (talk) EXACTLY. ALL of those things mentioned on that page are UNOFFICIAL and FAN-MADE. What makes YTP any different from them? Also note: a search for "Hotel Mario Youtube Poop" on youtube returns OVER 7000 RESULTS, and a search for "Mama Luigi Youtube Poop" returns OVER 10,000 RESULTS, and those are just the videos that explicitly label themselves as such. There are many more Hotel Mario and SMW poops than that. I think that's pretty notable. Moleman9000 (talk) No matter what it is still fanon srsly. No there offical!!! (Princess Grapes Butterfly (talk) OKAY, then, by that logic, you're saying we should delete all of the references pages? Moleman9000 (talk)
No there offical not fanon. If there were then the SysOp would of eased it. Princess Grapes Butterfly (talk)
The number of results from a given search does not make it any more official. Notability is one thing. Officialness is quite another. Phoenix Rider (talk)
A: You say that the references pages are only for "professional content", that is predjudice. On the internet referances page, you cover the Mario parody made by Seth McFarlene, and since that and YTP are both made under the same circumstances on the same site, what makes them any different? B: Hotel Mario is no more "official" or "canon" to the Mario series than the cd-i Zelda titles are to the Zelda series. It was only Liscensed by Nintendo, they nod no involvement in making it, and it is NOT considered canon to the franchise. Neither is the SMW show or any of the other liscensed material covered here. C: What I mean when I talk about the articles on such things being written too seriously, look at the Mama Luigi article. THE IMAGE IS NOT THE PICTURE OF LUIGI SAYING "That's Mama Luigi to you, Mario!" and you go over the plot summary as if it was as canon as Super Mario World the game. The Mario cartoons were nothing more than a shameless and poorly made attempt to cash in on the success of Mario, and the ONLY reason Nintendo liscensed the characters to them is for MONEY. But, now in modern times, they have found a new audience and found a new place in culture, thanks to Youtube Poop, otherwise they would be forgotten. And yet you still refuse to even mention it, yet you have articles on CHARACTERS WHO ONLY APPEARED IN ONE EPISODE OF THE SERIES. How is that fair? Moleman9000 (talk)
No matter what you say about youtube poop is still fanon, fanon and more fanon. Also per S-Y Princess Grapes Butterfly (talk)
He changing the subject every time no matter what (Unless Nintendo was invole in it) youtube poop is fanon. Princess Grapes Butterfly (talk) Moleman, put it at this if we put a list of all the Youtube poop that has to do with Mario and put it in the References page it will load too long and basically make people mad and it will be hard to edit the References page.Dark Lakitu 789 (talk) Plus that it could the page freeze on old computures. Princess Grapes Butterfly (talk) Thanks, Stooben. I thought your point above was good to, and I'll just say, per Stooben in that case. I'd like to clarify something however: Moleman is NOT suggesting we list every YouTube Poop as I understand it. Rather, he wants us to acknowledge their existence. Now, Moleman, you said that you feel that way because the shows, etc. were just cash-ins with no cultural impact, and that their popularity and worth are now increasing because of YTP. I'd like to suggest that you are likely somewhere between 10 and 16 if you feel that way, and/or you didn't have (cable) TV when you were growing up. Had neither of these conditions been true, you would know that to the enormous number of people who at the time were children saving Princess Peach for the first time in Super Mario Bros., the television shows were big. As time went on, they declined in popularity and impact, yet Super Mario World played a major role in the Mario series as a whole. Just because you didn't experience the television shows and the CDi titles when you were first becoming interested in the series doesn't decrease their worth. The shows are still selling very well on DVD considering their age, remember. This is actually a big problem in all Nintendo series today: many gamers who weren't gaming during the NES or SNES days (myself included for the NES) believe for some reason that a substantial amount of official material cannot be canon for some reason or another. However, since immersing myself in the old shows, comics, etc., I've discovered that there are only a few contradictions, usually on par with the contradictions made between video games. Stumpers (talk)
LOOK AT THE Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time ARTICLE. THE TRIVIA IS NOT SAYING:"Due to the fact that the Shroob invasion is not remembered by any characters, even Toadsworth, the invasion may not have actually been intended to happen in the past. Since E. Gadd's memory was actually rearranged by the events taking place in the past, the Shroobs may have actually been attacking the present, but been sent to the past by the time holes made by E. Gadd's time machine." AND YOU GO OVER THE END OF THE ARTICLE AS IT WAS AS CANON AS THE OTHER RPGS. PiT WAS NOTHING MORE THAN A SHAMELESS AND POORLY MADE ATTEMPT TO CASH IN ON THE SUCCESS OF MARIO AND THE only REASONS Nintendo LISCENCED THE CHARACTERS TO ALPHA DREAM IS FOR MONEY brrrrrraggHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! I HATE THAT GODAMN GAME, article is too serious. LET'S INCLUDE ALL THE INTERNET PARODIES, OUT OF PLACE SNARKY REMARK AND EVERY CRAP WE CAN FIND. I really recommend reading this before you makes anymore assumption about that "canon" thing. --Blitzwing 06:58, 3 November 2008 (EST)
Yeah, Blitwing is right. Please read MarioWiki:Canonicity. If we only treated games you consider worthwhile, that would be very complicated: soon every user would have a different list of games we should be covering with seriousness. Can you imagine how unfair such a system would be? Stumpers (talk) I am not asking to actually change the existing content of the articles in such a manner. What I'm trying to say is, like, in the case of Hotel Mario, that game IS widely considered poor, non canon, and a discrace to the mario series like the CD-i Zelda Titles. THE WAY THAT THE GAME IS TREATED WHEN TALKED ABOUT IN THAT ARTICLE ONLY Seems out of place when it is the only content of the article. If I had my way with the article, I would keep everything that is already there intact and add a "reception" section that adresses the poor reception to the game and its cutscenes and diologue, and of course Youtube Poop. Same with the Mama Luigi article. And as for the page of internet references, I KNOW THAT I CAN'T SIMPLY ADD A SECTION FOR YOUTUBE POOP TO IT AND LEAVE IT LIKE THAT, because it lists so few things as it is, and leaves out many, many OTHER, non YTP Fanworks. The way I would see fit to adress this is to CREATE A STANDARD FOR FAN FICTION based on prolificness and popularity for inclusion on the references page, and would need the help of many users to do so. Seeing as how hard this would be, I would prefer that we ADRESS FANON IN ARTICLES IN TRIVIA AND/OR RECEPTION SECTIONS, SEPERATE FROM THE MAIN CONTENT, which I would do with Mama Luigi and Hotel Mario. I would not want to list EVERY internet parody, only the most popular ones that have a fanbase.Moleman9000 (talk) ONLY GAMES THAT ARE PUBLISHED BY NINTENDO ARE CANON. Games liscensed to other companies and other-media spinoffs are OFFICIAL, but not CANON. The reason I am aggravated about this is because you cover ALL of these things on the same level of maticulous detail and disregard for notability and importance that you do with the canon games, yet YOU REFUSE TO EVEN MENTION YOUTUBE POOP OR ANY OTHER FAN-MADE WORK, even if it's seperate from the "official information". Moleman9000 (talk) Okay, I may not have been clear enough in what I said before. I DO NOT WANT TO CHANGE THE EXISTING CONTENT OF ARTICLES. I want to ADD real-world content to the articles, to BALANCE the ridiculous level of detail in which official content is covered, About the REAL-WORLD reaction and legacy to the them. Moleman9000 (talk) Rather than try and change our stance, it would be much better for you to start your own Wiki that covers the fan-made (fanon) additions to the Mario series. It seems like you believe we hold the entire Mario series sacred. However, you'll notice that we have a section called "Critical Reception" on a bunch of the game articles, and that is for you to post professional critic reviews about the titles, the movies, etc. It's not good enough to just say that generally the fanbase believes something to be poor and non-canon. That's just another way of saying "I believe something is poor and non-canon." Generalities are the bane of unbiased writing. We're striving to make the most professional encyclopedia possible, and to do that our writing must be unbiased. And please, try to understand: there is no official canon in the Mario series, so no title can be non-canon. Stumpers (talk) @Moleman: Closing your ears and shouting "NAH NAH NAH NAH NOT CANON!!! NAH NAH NAH" doesn't put you in a good light. Neither do RANTING IN ALL-CAPS AND BOLDING IT SO IT'S EVEN MORE OF AN EYESORE. Finally, I'd like to point we're merely an encyclopedia about the universe of a fat Italian plumber, and that you should just relax. --Blitzwing 15:43, 3 November 2008 (EST) Moleman is right in a sense. Homstar Runner isn't nessecarily offical, but it's on the Sightings page anyhow. But, come on Youtube Poop? Sheesh, gimme a break. Plus, even if the proposal passes(which it probaly won't), it would take forever to make such an article. I agree Mama Luigi and Hotel Mario are common sources for Utoob Poop, but that doesn't mean it deserves an article.Phailure (talk)
The first ever youtube poop video was "I'D SAY HE'S HOT ON OUR TAIL" made by SuperYoshi(not our SuperYoshi) in 2004. It used clips from Recycled Koopa. As for finding an article, there is Youchew Poop.com, the official forum site of YTP, WHICH HAS its own YTP-based wiki, called Chewiki. I've also once read an online interview with the guy who voiced Mario in Hotel Mario, which makes reference to Youtube Poop, though not by name. Lastly, in The Simpsons Game, Mario says during a cutscene, "I HOPE ITSA SPAGHETTI" in a manner VERY similar to Lugi's "I hope she made Lotsa spaghetti!" Moleman9000 (talk) And what does that have to do with YTP? Princess Grapes Butterfly (talk)
Can you link us to the interview? That seemed like the best place to start. Stumpers (talk) The Mark Graue interview seems to not be on the internet anymore. But he said that he was "flattered that something published in 1993 has found new life on an entirely different platform." Moleman9000 (talk) ROFL! And this must be the most comments for any Proposal ever... Dom (talk) Wow! We might have to put this porposel on it's own page when we archive it. I'm just editing the section, and the scroll bar slider do-hickey is very small. Anyway, this is stupid!!! We are obisliy are going to oppose this, can't we wrap it up early take this of the page, it's taking to much space Nerdy Guy (talk) We can't this proposal won't be archive untill after Nov 9. (Lolz I think this broke a record.) Princess Grapes Butterfly (talk)
Also note: The official slogan of Youtube Poop is "Where there's smoke, they pinch back." Which is an almaglamation of two lines from Hotel Mario. It appears at the start of many poops, along with the YTP logo. Moleman9000 (talk) Will you stop putting randrap in the comments, Moleman9000. It's not going to change our minds. YouTube Poop is... well poop, and we're not going to put crao like that in this wiki. Nerdy Guy (talk) Add a Pipe Plaza linkHow many users dont even know about the Pipe Plaza, because ther're almost no links to it, so i say we should add a link to it in the left-side bar. So, who's with me? Proposer: Tucayo (talk) SupportOpposeCommentsIf we could get some Sysops to actually update the page regularly, I would see no problem with it. That page hasn't been updated in 18 months, which is rather disappointing. I'd gladly volunteer to keep the page updated. Also, maybe just a link on the Main Page would suffice? Stooben Rooben (talk)
I've never even heard of the thing. I typed it into the Search bar and found an article about the battle course in Mario Kart... is that saying something? Dom (talk) |