Talk:Mega Kantera

Name Change to Mega Lantern Ghost?

This should be obvious to anyone looking into the name. メガカンテラ means "Mega Lantern" and Kantera means Lantern, the regular lantern ghosts are called "Kantera-kun" in Japanese and their official translated name is "Lantern Ghost". Calling Mega Kantera, "Mega Lantern Ghost" makes logical sense. I ask this to be changed because this is going to confuse people that look at these pages, see what is clearly a variant of the Ghost Lantern but it's named like it's Japanese translation.--Sgt. Sarge (talk) 22:29, January 8, 2024 (EST)

I'm pretty sure the Japanese name is because an English name has never been officially found, and translating "Kantera" would not count toward that. Super Game Gear (talk) 22:37, January 8, 2024 (EST)

But this is so very obvious. I have the same issue with some of the Shy Guy variants still being called Heyho. Like Bazooka Heyho should be called Bazooka Guy, that's how all the other Shy Guy's worked. I know we don't get official guides all that often anymore but we can at least use our basic thinking and realize the most obvious answers that are starring right in front of us. --Sgt. Sarge (talk) 22:58, January 8, 2024 (EST)

Well, as far as the Shy Guys go, that's case-by-case: sometimes it's rendered as "[X] Shy Guy", "[X] Guy", even "[X] Shy" or something else. In the case of Mega Kantera, yes, Mega Lantern would be fairly straightforward, but the wiki doesn't allow fan-translations as subject titles. Doing so would open the door to a lot of subjectivity, a lot more discussions about optimal renderings, a lot of disagreements over these things, etc. The only thing the wiki allows which is sort of bending the rules (although it's technically more of a transliteration rule than a translation one) is allowing direct loanwords to be rendered as they were originally (e.g. Kūru Kongu becomes "Cool Kong"), which is useful as a point of familiarity. Though, in that case, Japanese kantera might have to be Dutch kandelaar, although I don't think that's quite the same exact meaning. Really, this would be avoided had Mega Kantera stayed merged with Big Lantern Ghost. LinkTheLefty (talk) 07:39, January 12, 2024 (EST)

Merge with Big Lantern Ghost

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Current time: Thursday, March 6, 2025, 20:41 GMT

I think it's pretty clear that these two enemies are the same thing: They're both big versions of a Lantern Ghost. They look almost completely identical to each other and don't have any particular outstanding characteristics that make them any different. As far as I can tell, they're also relatively the same size. BLG in Japanese is a "Biggu" Lantern Ghost, while this one is a "Mega" Lantern Ghost. Now before you say that we should keep them separate because they have different Japanese names, this isn't really the same case because we've always had a lot of variance when it comes to "BIG" versions of enemies. Look at how many different names the Mega Goomba is known as. Nor should we keep them separate because they battle the player in different ways, otherwise we would have to make a separate page for the Paper Mario Goombas (They attack with headbonks, different than the platforming games)

Proposer: Shadow2 (talk)

Deadline: March 3, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Merge into Big Lantern Ghost

1. Shadow2 (talk) Per proposal
2. Camwoodstock (talk) Per proposal, and also once and only once; it feels a little silly to have 2 articles for roughly the same concept just because of differing genre.

Keep separate

1. PrincessPeachFan (talk) They have nothing to do with each other and even have different Japanese names.
2. DryBonesBandit (talk) While I understand your viewpoint, they do have differing Japanese names, and I believe the Paper Mario boss is a character similar to the Boss Goomba.

Comments

"Biggu" tends to refer to the enlarged Yoshi's Island bosses, which this takes after. Naval Piranha isn't the same as Big Piranha Plant, for example, nor is Hookbill the Koopa the same as Big Koopa Troopa. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:09, February 17, 2025 (EST)

"Tends to", but not in this case. Shadow2 (talk) 07:17, February 17, 2025 (EST)

It may not be a boss from a Yoshi's Island game, but the name is clearly based on the naming scheme for YI bosses. Especially considering the chapter it appears in. Plus, this proposal to merge Super Blooper to Big Blooper failed, and that's an extremely similar situation, so why should the Lantern Ghosts be merged and not the Bloopers? Blinker (talk) 08:03, February 17, 2025 (EST)

I agree with Doc and Blinker. The Big Lantern Ghost and Mega Kantera have nothing to do with each other aside looking the same. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 12:41, February 17, 2025 (EST)

I mean, Big Shy Guys from Super Mario Advance are still merged to the Mega Guys from Yoshi's New Island unless you want a split too. Ray Trace^(T|C) 12:47, February 17, 2025 (EST)

To be fair, these actually don't look the same, as the boss has a random bandage on its head, similar to how some of the SMW2 bosses have other distinguishing traits from just being "enlarged normal enemy." Personally, I think it could go either way after Shark Chomp was merged to Big Chain Chomp. If it does get merged, the Bloopers definitely should be revisited. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:04, February 17, 2025 (EST)

@PrincessPeachFan @DryBonesBandit The Mega Goomba mentioned in the proposal goes by four different Japanese names, yet we still classify those under a single page. The Japanese names of things is often an indicator of how things should be done, but it's not ALWAYS representative of the need for multiple pages. Shadow2 (talk) 18:43, February 17, 2025 (EST)

I see your point; however, I also mentioned that the Big Lantern Ghost seems to be a character of its own; it has a bandaged head, a trait the species lacks; it is the only Big Lantern Ghost in the game, where it has quotes of its own; it also appears as a character in Super Mario-kun. Not to mention the similarity to this proposal, which was in favor of a split. Not to mention that a Japanese naming difference is sometimes indicative of different subjects. This is me, D-B-B! 19:06, February 17, 2025 (EST)