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====Comments====
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===Stop referring to Bowser as "King Koopa" in Japanese media===
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|8-0|Refer to as Bowser in Japanese media}}
In articles about Japanese Mario media, we typically refer to Bowser as "King Koopa" for some reason.
I think that this naming convention is pointless and we should call Bowser by his actual English name.
One may argue that "King Koopa" is Bowser's Japanese name and therefore he should be named as such.
Actually, Bowser's Japanese name is ''Kuppa'' (officially romanized as "Koopa") or ''Daimaō Kuppa'' (literally "Great Demon King Koopa"), but he is seldom called "King Koopa" verbatim in Japanese media.
Most importantly, when referring to characters or species in articles about Japanese-only media, we typically use the usual English name instead of the Japanese name: "Goomba" instead of ''Kuribō'', "Koopa Troopa" instead of ''Nokonoko'', "Toad" instead of ''Kinopio'', and so on.
There is no reason why Bowser should be an exception.
One may also argue that the names "Koopa" and "King Koopa" have been used in some English-language Mario media (notably the DIC series).
However, the name "Bowser" is overwhelmingly more widespread and was already attested in the original ''Super Mario Bros.'' instruction booklet.
I hope we can agree that ''The Super Mario Bros. Super Show'' is not the highest-priority naming source.
Lastly, this "King Koopa" naming convention is not even consistent on the Wiki because many articles about Japanese-only mangas refer to Bowser as "Bowser" rather than "King Koopa".
If this proposal passes, mentions of Bowser as "King Koopa" or simply "Koopa" will be replaced with "Bowser" in articles about Japanese media, including:
*''[[Super Mario Bros.: Peach-hime Kyūshutsu Dai Sakusen!]]''
*''[[Amada Anime Series: Super Mario Bros.]]''
*''[[Super Mario World: Mario to Yoshi no Bōken Land]]''
This renaming will not apply to English-language media in which Bowser is actually called "King Koopa".
'''Proposer''': {{User|Jdtendo}}<br>
'''Deadline''': March 27, 2024, 23:59 GMT
====Support====
#{{User|Jdtendo}} Per proposal.
#{{User|PnnyCrygr}} We shouldn't use the uncanon DiC cartoons as name sources for Mario characters.
#{{User|Sparks}} Per all.
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} My name is American Koopa! (Per all)
#{{User|Hewer}} Didn't know this was a thing but it's inconsistent with the wiki's preference for English names so per proposal.
#{{User|FanOfRosalina2007}} We need consistency within the wiki! Per all.
#{{User|OmegaRuby}} Consistency is a priority. Per all.
#{{User|Scrooge200}} Always found this a bit confusing because it just perpetuates an old name nobody uses anymore. Per all.
====Oppose====
====Comments====
What about referring to Princess Peach by that name in early Japanese media? If this passes, it would seem more consistent to change those to "Princess Toadstool" since that was her English name at the time. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 09:43, March 20, 2024 (EDT)
:We could still refer to Princess Peach by that name considering that it is her usual name in English nowadays. I don't think it is that relevant to be faithful to the English names that were used at the time in the USA considering those names do not appear in the actual Japanese media; and if that is actually relevant, that could always be the subject of a later proposal. {{User:Jdtendo/sig}} 10:42, March 20, 2024 (EDT)

Revision as of 14:37, March 29, 2024

All past proposals are archived here. Please add archived proposals to the bottom of the page.
Previous proposals

Decide what to move Super Mario Galaxy 2 worlds to

Template:ProposalOutcome The worlds in Super Mario Galaxy 2 have names, but each article for the six main worlds is named "World <#> (Super Mario Galaxy 2)" while the article for the special world is called "World S". The good news is I was wondering if there's a possibility to decide what to rename the worlds. There are four options to choose from:

Option 1
Create the {{suffixed title}}, {{SMG2 world}}, {{SMG2 world-link}}, and {{SMG2 world title}} templates (the {{suffixed title}} template works like {{prefixed title}}, with the small text being placed after the first parameter, while the {{SMG2 world}}, {{SMG2 world-link}}, and {{SMG2 world title}} work like {{classic}}, {{classic-link}}, and {{classic title}} respectively, with the skeleton being "World <#>: <small><name></small> and the example being World 1: The Great Space Journey Begins) and move the following pages to the world number and name:
Option 2
ONLY move the following pages to the world number and name:
Option 3
ONLY move the following pages to the name:
Option 4
Do nothing.

Proposer: GuntherBB (talk)
Deadline: March 8, 2024, 23:59 GMT

Option 1

  1. GuntherBB (talk) My primary choice.

Option 2

Option 3

  1. GuntherBB (talk) My secondary choice.

Option 4

  1. Nightwicked Bowser (talk) These names are only displayed on the save file and are not shown while playing the game itself. Even if you go to a different world and save the game, the name on the save file doesn't change and is still the name of the world you should be on. Then there's the fact that when doing the green stars, the save file name is "the green star challenge is on" and when the game is completed 100% the name is "master of galaxies".
  2. MegaBowser64 (talk) Per my fellow Bowser
  3. YoYo (talk) the names you've assigned to each world are actually the names for the "chapters" in the game's progression, not the names for the worlds themselves. it would be like naming each kingdom from Super Mario Odyssey's page after their first moon.
  4. Nintendo101 (talk) These are not the names of the worlds. They are subtitles provided to the player for narrative context.
  5. FanOfYoshi (talk) Per all, especially the Bowser Bros.
  6. OmegaRuby (talk) While the other options would be what I personally use, they are not the actual names of the worlds themselves. Per all.
  7. Sdman213 (talk) Per all.
  8. Camwoodstock (talk) Per all, especially Nightwicked Bowser and Yoyo. These don't seem to be the worlds' actual names, just a status on the save menu. There's definitely a better way to convey this information about the save menu descriptions than to clumsily bake them into the world pages' names!

Comments

Create a {{visible anchor}} template

Template:ProposalOutcome I've come up with an idea for a sub-template for the {{anchor}} template. A {{visible anchor}} retains its behavior like {{anchor}}, with the only difference being that the first parameter will be visible text on the page. You can go here to read the documentation on Wikipedia. Do you have any thoughts that there's a possibility create the {{visible anchor}} template?

Proposer: GuntherBB (talk)
Deadline: March 23, 2024, 23:59 GMT
Date withdrawn: March 17, 2024, 01:45 GMT

Support

  1. GuntherBB (talk) Per proposal

Oppose

  1. PnnyCrygr (talk) Redundant and unnecessary for a fan wiki which tries not to be like Wikipedia. If that so-called visible anchored is templated onto any link, that should create any visual mess. Enough said...
  2. Camwoodstock (talk) This is redundant for our purposes. Per PennyCrygr. This is redundant for our purposes.
  3. Hewer (talk) Per all, the proposal makes absolutely no argument as to why we should have this feature and how it would help us beyond "Wikipedia has it".

Comments

Stop referring to Bowser as "King Koopa" in Japanese media

Template:ProposalOutcome In articles about Japanese Mario media, we typically refer to Bowser as "King Koopa" for some reason. I think that this naming convention is pointless and we should call Bowser by his actual English name.

One may argue that "King Koopa" is Bowser's Japanese name and therefore he should be named as such. Actually, Bowser's Japanese name is Kuppa (officially romanized as "Koopa") or Daimaō Kuppa (literally "Great Demon King Koopa"), but he is seldom called "King Koopa" verbatim in Japanese media. Most importantly, when referring to characters or species in articles about Japanese-only media, we typically use the usual English name instead of the Japanese name: "Goomba" instead of Kuribō, "Koopa Troopa" instead of Nokonoko, "Toad" instead of Kinopio, and so on. There is no reason why Bowser should be an exception.

One may also argue that the names "Koopa" and "King Koopa" have been used in some English-language Mario media (notably the DIC series). However, the name "Bowser" is overwhelmingly more widespread and was already attested in the original Super Mario Bros. instruction booklet. I hope we can agree that The Super Mario Bros. Super Show is not the highest-priority naming source.

Lastly, this "King Koopa" naming convention is not even consistent on the Wiki because many articles about Japanese-only mangas refer to Bowser as "Bowser" rather than "King Koopa".

If this proposal passes, mentions of Bowser as "King Koopa" or simply "Koopa" will be replaced with "Bowser" in articles about Japanese media, including:

This renaming will not apply to English-language media in which Bowser is actually called "King Koopa".

Proposer: Jdtendo (talk)
Deadline: March 27, 2024, 23:59 GMT

Support

  1. Jdtendo (talk) Per proposal.
  2. PnnyCrygr (talk) We shouldn't use the uncanon DiC cartoons as name sources for Mario characters.
  3. Sparks (talk) Per all.
  4. Camwoodstock (talk) My name is American Koopa! (Per all)
  5. Hewer (talk) Didn't know this was a thing but it's inconsistent with the wiki's preference for English names so per proposal.
  6. FanOfRosalina2007 (talk) We need consistency within the wiki! Per all.
  7. OmegaRuby (talk) Consistency is a priority. Per all.
  8. Scrooge200 (talk) Always found this a bit confusing because it just perpetuates an old name nobody uses anymore. Per all.

Oppose

Comments

What about referring to Princess Peach by that name in early Japanese media? If this passes, it would seem more consistent to change those to "Princess Toadstool" since that was her English name at the time. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 09:43, March 20, 2024 (EDT)

We could still refer to Princess Peach by that name considering that it is her usual name in English nowadays. I don't think it is that relevant to be faithful to the English names that were used at the time in the USA considering those names do not appear in the actual Japanese media; and if that is actually relevant, that could always be the subject of a later proposal. Jdtendo(T|C) 10:42, March 20, 2024 (EDT)
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