MarioWiki:Featured articles/Unfeature/N1/Super Mario 3D World

Super Mario 3D World

Remove featured article status

1. Time Turner (talk) The intro is extremely short, several tables are incompatible with mobile, and the images are distractingly inconsistent between each other, alternating between actual artwork and screenshots both with and without HUDs (not to mention how quite a few images are low quality).
2. Baby Luigi (talk) Per Time Turner. The intro needs to be expanded a lot more than this, the bare bones amount of information especially for the infobox, as it was one of the shining examples of bad intros in this thread. The enemies and objects table is especially incompatible with mobile, if you want to make it less of a scroll fest, the best you could do is to decrease sizes of images.

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The table for the characters seems to exist solely so that they can have a fancy table. I'm also reasonably confident that the star ratings for all of them are entirely made-up. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 15:02, 24 November 2017 (EST)

We could just delete the stars altogether and no information would be lost. I also hate the recent trend of stuffing tables one long line (another example is the boss listings in Super Mario Odyssey, as if all computers were wide-screen and could handle it without sidescrolling issues.). I mean, if the numbers were uneven, I'd see the point but for both articles, the lists are perfectly divisible, with Super Mario Odyssey's bosses being able to fit in a 3x3 table and this one a 2x3 one. Ray Trace^(T|C) 15:04, 24 November 2017 (EST)

I have a couple of examples of the character table I was working on here during the conversation that happened on Discord days ago, if any of those are good. 15:06, 24 November 2017 (EST)

We have to nix the star ratings altogether since Time Turner is confident they're made up. We should keep the written "advantages" and "disadvantages" in there, since they relay confirmed information unlike the star ratings. Ray Trace^(T|C) 15:08, 24 November 2017 (EST)

To add onto that (to not make it seem like I'm just making my logic up), there's an edit revision that bumped up the number of stars from three to five for "a more 'detailed' comparison." I don't think they'd be arbitrarily changed like that if they were based on an existing source. Earlier revisions also show this for the character table, and that seems perfectly fine.

(Incidentally, the edit that added the stars in the first place had its summary removed, which is... odd.) Hello, I'm Time Turner. 15:15, 24 November 2017 (EST)

Well that edit summary is from Mechawave, probably saying something very condescending with bad language in there since he does have the attitude for that. Ray Trace^(T|C) 15:19, 24 November 2017 (EST)

Summary was removed because of inappropriate reasons. Anyway, a number system was also discussed, like 3/5 for Mario's jump, 1/5 for Peach's speed, etc. or something. imo, there's nothing exactly wrong with whatever system we use as long as it details the highs and lows, be it stars, numbers, or words. 15:21, 24 November 2017 (EST)

Having a gauge system implies that there is an official stat system out there when there is not. We should not use a stat system if one does not exist. Words are more descriptive and meaningful than made-up stats on the spot. Ray Trace^(T|C) 15:23, 24 November 2017 (EST)

Per. Just tell people what's different instead of using overly simplistic stats. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 15:24, 24 November 2017 (EST)

Ah, I see. 15:25, 24 November 2017 (EST)

Well, here are the actual stats of the characters, which will likely require a new page if you want them to be in (they are mainly useful for speedrunners, which admittedly are a focus of this wiki now). The stars are indeed not correct, even the advantages and disadvantages aren't, actually, as for example Peach and Rosalina sprint at the same moment and have the same speed.--Mister Wu (talk) 12:13, 25 November 2017 (EST)

Yeaaahhh some of these have to be explained. Ray Trace^(T|C) 17:47, 25 November 2017 (EST)

Do we really need to go in-depth on every single one of these? Just saying "this character jumps higher" and whatnot would suffice for me. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 14:08, 28 November 2017 (EST)

We did went ridiculously in-depth with the Mario Kart stats articles, though. Ray Trace^(T|C) 14:25, 28 November 2017 (EST)

At the very least, that ridiculousness isn't easily readable, and a more concise summary would be more helpful to readers. The in-depth stats could be included on another page, like the Mario Kart 8 in-game statistics. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 14:35, 28 November 2017 (EST)