Talk:Frog

Split Frog (Donkey Kong), Frog (Yoshi's Story), and Frog (Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon)

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For some reason, this page is essentially just a list of frogs in the Mario series. Because of this, the frogs that assist you in Donkey Kong and the frog enemies from Yoshi's Story and Luigi's Mansion are on this page, even though they have nothing to do with each other or generic real-world frogs, any more than they have to do with Frog Pirates or Kleptoads. Sure, they don't have unique names, but neither do Bees and we have those split.

Proposer: Niiue (talk)
Deadline: February 14, 2016, 23:59 GMT

Support

1. Niiue (talk) Per proposal.

Oppose

1. Walkazo (talk) - This is getting too excessive for my tastes. Plenty of enemies with specific names have different roles in different games, yet we don't split them most of the time: why do the same here just because they're generic species? If anything, that'll just undermine the plain "Frog" page to the point where it no longer is worth covering per MarioWiki:Generic Subjects and then we've lost a perfectly fine article and all the tidbits about the truly misc frogs. The unnamed frog info can be understood perfectly well all grouped together: splitting is unnecessary complication.
2. Bazooka Mario (talk) Nope, this split goes against the spirit of MarioWiki:Generic Subjects. What do you mean by "they have nothing to do with each other or generic real-world frogs" because they seem like they act any old generic frog, especially the ones you suggest to split in the first place.
3. Baby Luigi (talk) Per all
4. LudwigVon (talk) Per all.
5. Wildgoosespeeder (talk) Per all.

Comments

@Walkazo: If the article is only useful as a catch-all list of every frog in the Mario series, regardless of behavior and in-game role, then maybe it's just not a very good article.

@Bazooka Mario: How do the frogs I mentioned act like "any old generic frog"? The Donkey Kong ones are allies that can move you to higher platforms, and the Yoshi's Story and Luigi's Mansion ones are enemies with unique behaviors. They have as much do to with regular frogs as Chickens have to do with regular chickens. Literally the only thing they have to do with each other is that they're frogs, and they would definitely have separate pages if they were actually given unique names. Niiue (talk) 16:43, 31 January 2016 (EST)

To me, they seem like jumping platforms, and frogs are known for jumping, so it's not unusual behavior for a frog at all. Yoshi's Story one doesn't have a lot of detail, but they're enemies that appear in lagoons and hurt Yoshi... exactly how does that make them different from normal frogs? Finally, Luigi's Mansion frogs, the only property that's totally different is in the final King Boo battle, but the normal ambiance enemies seem to act like normal frogs to me. Chicken (enemy) doesn't even barely resemble a chicken compared to the frogs Yoshi's Story or the Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon resembling frogs so I don't know why you brought that up. And yes, names are important. Yes, if they had their own names, they'd get their own page, but they don't, so they're generic enemies and belong to an umbrella page for these generic enemies. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 20:45, 31 January 2016 (EST)