MarioWiki:Proposals

Proposals can be new features (such as an extension), removal of a previously added feature that has tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action(s) are done. Any user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so, not, e.g., "I like this idea!" "Vote" periods last for one week. All past proposals are archived.

A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code {{User|User name}}.

This page observes the No-Signature Policy.

How To

1. If users have an idea about improving the wiki or managing its community, but feel that they need community approval before acting upon that idea, they may make a proposal about it. They must have a strong argument supporting their idea and be willing to discuss it in detail with the other users, who will then vote about whether or not they think the idea should be used. Proposals should include links to all relevant pages and Writing Guideline proposals must include a link to the draft page.
2. Proposals end at the end of the day (23:59) one week after voting starts, except for Writing Guidelines and Talk Page Proposals, which run for two weeks. (All times GMT.)
   • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, the voting starts immediately and the deadline is one week later on Monday, August 8, at 23:59 GMT.
3. Every vote should have a reason accompanying it. Agreeing with or seconding a previously mentioned reason given by another user is accepted.
4. Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the Comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. Voters can remove or rewrite their own vote at any time, but the final decision to remove another user's vote lies solely with the administrators.
5. If a user makes a vote and is subsequently blocked for any amount of time, their vote is removed. However, if the block ends before the proposal ends, then the user in question holds the right to re-cast their vote.
6. No proposal can overturn the decision of a previous proposal that is less than 4 weeks (28 days) old.
7. Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
8. All proposals that end up in a tie will be extended for another week.
9. If a proposal has more than ten votes, it can only pass or fail by a margin of three votes. If a proposal reaches the deadline and the total number of votes for each option differ by two or less votes, the deadline will be extended for another week.
10. Proposals can only be extended up to three times. If a consensus has not been reached by the fourth deadline, the proposal fails and can only be re-proposed after four weeks, at the earliest.
11. All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of an administrator, the proposer can ask for that help.
12. Proposals can only be rewritten or deleted by their proposer within the first three days of their creation. However, proposers can request that their proposal be deleted by an administrator at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it. Please note that cancelled proposals must also be archived.
13. If the administrators deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to remove it at any time.
14. There should not be proposals about creating articles on an underrepresented or completely absent subject, unless there is major disagreement about whether the content should be included. To organize efforts about completing articles on missing subjects, try creating a PipeProject.
15. Proposals cannot be made about promotions and demotions. Users can only be promoted and demoted by the will of the administration.
16. No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.

Basic Proposal and Support/Oppose Format

This is an example of what your proposal should look like, if you want it to be acknowledged. If you are inexperienced or unsure how to set up this format, simply copy the following and paste it into the fitting section. Then replace the [subject] - variables with information to customize your proposal, so it says what you wish. If you insert the information, be sure to replace the whole variable including the squared brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information", not "[This is the inserted information]".

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===[insert a title for your Proposal here]===
[describe what issue this Proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the Wiki handles that issue]

'''Proposer''': {{User|[enter your username here]}}<br>
'''Deadline''': [insert a deadline here, 7 days after the proposal was created, at 23:59 GMT.]

====Support====
#{{User|[enter your username here]}} [make a statement indicating that you support your proposal]

====Oppose====

====Comments====

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Users will now be able to vote on your Proposal, until the set deadline is reached. Remember, you are a user as well, so you can vote on your own Proposal just like the others.

To support, or oppose, just insert "#{{User|[add your username here]}} at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on another user's Proposal. If you are voting on your own Proposal, you can just say "Per my Proposal".

Talk Page Proposals

All proposals dealing with a single article or a specific group of articles are held on the talk page of one of the articles in question. Proposals dealing with massive amounts of splits, merges or deletions across the Wiki should still be held on this page.

For a list of all settled Talk Page Proposals, see here.

How To

1. All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom). All pages affected must be mentioned in the brief description, with the talk page housing the discussion linked to directly via "(Template:Fakelink)". If the proposal involved a page that is not yet made, use {{fakelink}} to communicate its title. The Deadline must also be included in the entry. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links. Place {{TPP}} under the heading.
2. All rules for talk page proposals are the same as mainspace proposals (see the "How To" section above), with the exceptions made by Rules 3 and 4 as follows:
3. Voting in talk page proposals will be open for two weeks, not one. (All times GMT.)
   • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, it ends two weeks later on Monday, August 15, 2011, at 23:59 GMT.
4. Talk page proposals may be closed by the proposer at any time if both the support and the oppose sides each have fewer than five votes.
5. The talk page proposal must pertain to the article it is posted on.

List of Talk Page Proposals

• Make pages for beta items in Paper Mario/Beta elements (Discuss) Deadline: August 15, 2011, 23:59 GMT
• Move Red and Green (Super Paper Mario) to Red and Green (Discuss) Deadline: August 16, 2011, 23:59 GMT
• Move Wii to Nintendo Wii (Discuss) Deadline: August 18, 2011, 23:59 GMT
• Split Cursed Jar from Lucky Jar (Discuss) Deadline: August 4, 2011, 23:59 GMT Extended: August 11, 2011, 23:59 GMT August 18, 2011 23:59 GMT
• Merge Bomb Seed with Feed and Seed (Discuss) Deadline: August 26, 2011, 23:59 GMT
• Delete and/or Merge Mario's Glove (Discuss) Deadline: August 26, 2011, 23:59 GMT

Writing Guidelines

None at the moment.

New Features

None at the moment.

Removals

None at the moment.

Changes

SmashWiki

Since the game Super Smash Bros. has a similar name with Super Mario Bros., people thought it was a Mario title. So people created a Super Smash Bros. page on MarioWiki. Then someone created a number of useless articles such as Zelda and Lucario. MarioWiki should not have articles about Pokemon and Zelda, that is the work of Bulbapedia and ZeldaWiki. There is even a SmashWiki to hold Super Smash Bros. information. All of the info in MarioWiki on Super Smash Bros. should be about Mario characters only. We should remove all Pokemon and Zelda articles.

Proposer: leetc (talk)
Deadline: August 19, 2011, 23:59 GMT

Support

1. Leetc (talk) Per proposal.
2. Wii Fan (talk) Per Proposal.

Oppose

1. Goomba's Shoe15 (talk) We have these articles cause their mandated by are coverage policy which i believe calls the Super Smash Bros. series a spin off of the Mario Series. And we've had this conversation before both on this wiki and on the NIWA forums themselves and we always come to the same decision so per those fights and per our coverage policy
2. Zero777 (talk) One, offensive, two, I think the Smash Wiki copied and altered the info originally from the Mario Wiki, and your proposal isn't done right, and three, Per Goomba's Shoe15.
3. Lakituthequick (talk) The Super Smash Bros. series are sort of spin off, and for that reason all the characters have to be on THIS site too. Per first two.
4. Yoshiwaker (talk) - Per above and the opposers of this proposal, since these are basically the same proposal with different targets.
5. Superfiremario (talk) SSB includes Mario, plus we cover Zelda, Pokemon and that stuff.
6. Super Mario Bros. (talk) – To remove our Super Smash Bros. content is to remove our status as a wiki aiming to completely cover the Mario franchise. The Super Smash Bros. series is a crossover of many games: we do not have complete coverage on the characters that are not a part of the general Mario series, but our Coverage Policy clearly dictates that we cover crossover games that feature Mario, Donkey Kong, Yoshi, and/or Wario characters in them. SmashWiki is likely to cover Super Smash Bros. far more in-depth than we do, and we even link to them in our articles (and will continue to link to them as they are a Nintendo Independent Wiki Alliance member). There is then no need to remove our coverage, as we do reference a better source for the series throughout our wiki, yet that does not compromise our mission to completely cover our stuff. It has worked fine, and will continue to work fine.
7. Reddragon19k (talk) I'm going with SMB on this one. If we remove that, it is all gone so, let's keep it there!
8. Walkazo (talk) - Per SMB. Crossovers count as Mario games; we have to talk about their non-Mario content as it pertains to those crossover games or we'd be missing valuable information about our series' subjects. We don't write about what goes on in the non-Mario subjects' parent series (that's what interwiki linking and NIWA is for), so that shouldn't be a problem to start with. Organization-wise, I personally don't consider crossovers to be on the same tier as the overall Mario, Yoshi, Donkey Kong or Wario series, but the individual crossover series are just as important as the sub-series that come from these "big 4", just as alternate media is as important as games. It doesn't matter if it's a Super Smash Bros. game or a Paper Mario game or an episode of The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!: if it involves Mario content, it's part of our content.
9. Knife (talk) – We treat the SSB series just like we do the the other crossover games, which all have their own character articles as well (see: Knuckles and Slime). We can't not cover something just because we are affiliated with other wikis that cover the same subjects.
10. Mariomario64 (talk) – Per all.
11. Toad85 (talk) Have you noticed, by chance, that all of the info on the crossover pages deal with the crossovers and crossovers only? We don't cover the series that they came from. Per all.
12. Supremo78 (talk) - I don't know why you haven't noticed, but we cover crossovers like these.
13. M&SG (talk) - Ditto to all statements above.
14. Mario4Ever (talk) Per all.
15. GameZone (talk) Um... this would be saying that we would have to remove Mario's, Dr. Mario's, Luigi's, Peach's, Donkey Kong's, Diddy Kong's, Bowser's, Yoshi's, Wario's, Mr. Game Watch's, and Sonic's Super Smash Bros. information, which all 11 characters are part of this wiki. We would also have remove stage information about (Princess) Peach's Castle, (Super Mario World:) Yoshi's Island(: Yoshi's Story), Kongo Jungle, Mushroom(y) Kingdom (II), Rainbow Cruise, Jungle Japes, Flat Zone (2), Delfino Plaza, Mario Circuit, Rumble Falls, WarioWare Inc., Smashville, PictoChat, Luigi's Mansion, 75m, Mario Bros., and Green Hill Zone, which are also important to this wiki. Oh, and we would have to remove Smash Bros. item info about Bob-ombs, Fire Flowers, Green Shells, Hammers, Red Shells, Starmen, Barrel Cannons, Flippers, Freezies, Metal Boxes, Poison Mushrooms, Super Mushroom, Bike Pieces, Golden Hammers, Hotheads, Lightning, Pitfall Seeds, Soccer Balls, Springs, and Super Scopes, as they are just as important, too. Oh, and, we would have to remove the Smash Bros. information on the Assist Trophies: Hammer Bro., Kat and Ana, Lakitu and Spinies, Little Mac, Nintendog, Shadow the Hedgehog, Stafy, and Waluigi, which are ALSO important to this wiki. So, that "upgrade" would ruin the wiki. If you want to troll, go to the StrategyWiki.
16. Jazama (talk) Per all
17. Tails777 (talk) This is almost no different than the DK Wiki proposal so I'm saying the same thing here that I did on that proposal. Per all here and all the opposers of the DK proposal.
18. DK and Diddy Kong vs Bowser and Bowser Jr. (talk) Per all.
19. BoygeyMario (talk) Per all!
20. Propeller Toad (talk) The Smash Bros. series is a franchise that is directly linked to the Mario Bros. franchise. All of the characters from Smash Bros. have interacted with the Mario characters in the series and thus should be mentioned in this wiki as they have interacted with the Mario series at one or more points of time.

Comments

Learn to format proposals correctly, please. - Walkazo (talk)

@SFM: What are you talking about? We don't cover Zelda or Pokemon. Yoshiwaker (talk)

@Yoshiwakerwaker: Yes we do. We have character articles for characters from those series. Smileymiley5001 (talk)

We have articles for the characters who appear in the SSB games, but covering a series means having extensive information on them, like Bulbapedia and Zeldawiki with Pokemon and Legend of Zelda. Yoshiwaker (talk)

@GameZone we would still cover information that is about Mario in the Smash series we just wouldn't have articles on characters like Ike or Meta Knight we would keep any article that was impacted by or directly from the Mario series. Also this mans not a troll some people do not believe we should cover the Smash Bros. series and he's got every right to propose we don't with out being called a troll just like how we as a wiki have every right to decide we do want to cover the Smash Bros. series with out being called trolls Goomba's Shoe15 (talk)

@Leetc I will not remove Super Smash Bros. info on Mario characters. I will only remove Super Smash Bros. info on Pokemon and Zelda.

The preceding unsigned comment was added by leetc (talk).

And why?

DK and Diddy Kong vs Bowser and Bowser Jr. (talk)

You know, that's an even worse idea than removing SSB from our coverage. If we're going to cover SSB in the character articles, we'd then make the game article, then we'd make articles for the other playable characters. Yoshiwaker (talk)

I'm going to quote this comment:

@Leetc I will not remove Super Smash Bros. info on Mario characters. I will only remove Super Smash Bros. info on Pokemon and Zelda.

Well that just made this proposal look even worse. You won't remove Metroid series games info, Pikmin info, and F-Zero info. That's very inconsistent. Supremo78 (talk)

Using Another Country's Boxart

As you can see, many articles such as (New Super Mario Bros. Wii, Mario Smash Football, Mario Strikers Charged Football) and many more game articles are using other country's boxart and naming them as in that country such as Mario Strikers Charged Football even though in America we call it (Mario Strikers Charged) No Football I understand that the first English country goes first but I think we should make it the American verison instead and am not saying that we take off all the information from another country but just to change the name of the game by the American verison and change the boxart of the game to the American verison only not much more if possible.

Proposer: Jjrapper100 (talk)
Deadline: August 15, 2011, 23:59 GMT

Support

1. Jjrapper100 (talk) Per my Proposal.
2. TyphlosionBlaze (talk) It's confusing to American users, and see my note below for my second reason.
3. Wii Fan (talk) Per Proposal.

Oppose

1. YoshiGo99 (talk) We should still have some stuff about the games from different countries. It isn't completely an American wiki.
2. Zero777 (talk) There's some pretty good logic why we are using the European boxart and name instead of the American, and also I believe that the other countries' boxarts are in the gallery section.
3. Goomba's Shoe15 (talk) per all
4. J991 (talk) Certainly Not! I have to agree with everyone else. This isn't totally an American wiki. Is it?
5. Lemmy Koopa617 (talk) per all
6. BabyLuigiOnFire (talk) Our policy states that we take the first, English boxart released, which could even mean in Australia or Europe. I don't think there's anything wrong with that policy. It's not like the USA is the only English speaking country you know?
7. ThirdMarioBro (talk) Per BLOF. By the way, this proposal is better off on the Mariowiki: Proposals page. Never mind, Walkazo fixed that.
8. BoygeyMario (talk) Per All. This wiki has a lot of European users & guests.
9. Jazama (talk)Per all. I have seen attempts like this at other wikis and they always fail because people from from around the world use the internet.
10. Mario4Ever (talk) Per all. If you want a wiki based solely on North American naming and writing standards, go elsewhere.
11. Walkazo (talk) - While there are organizational pros to only using one region for naming stuff, the issue keeps being turned into a political one, which just makes me shake my head. In my opinion, both Americanism and Anti-Americanism should be kept off the wiki; a purely International approach (including how we use both American and British spelling, grammar and punctuation conventions) is, plain and simply, the best way to keep things nice and unbiasedly inclusive towards everyone. So, in the absence of any strong organizational/comprehensiveness-based reasoning behind such a controversial and major upheaval of our fundamental policies (as is the case here), it's best to adhere to that Internationalism - that status quo that has been serving us perfectly well for years.
12. Fawfulfury65 (talk) Per Walkazo.
13. Superfiremario (talk) This isn't an American wiki. It's an international wiki.
14. Toad85 (talk)Per anyone who did not just say "per all". Wikipedia uses the British spellings, why should we just use the American? There are international users on this site.
15. Super Yoshi Bros. 3 (talk) Can you think of the time it would take to carry this out? Per all.
16. Mariomario64 (talk) – Per all, especially BabyLuigiOnFire, BogeyMario, and Walkazo. I don't see what's wrong with this.
17. SWFlash (talk) Per MarioWiki:Naming.
18. Conanshinichi (talk) I think that is should be the boxart of the first Country that it comes out it English. Because that would make sense.
19. M&SG (talk) - Refer to my comment below.
20. Bowser's luma (talk) Per all.
21. Reddragon19k (talk) Per everyone who oppose this!
22. GameZone (talk) I have two questions about this proposal. One: Why on earth would you want those names changed, as all countries are different? Two: No one other than you would post an proposal like this. Are you against other countries? AND I shall Per Toad85.
23. TurniPowerup (talk)Um... This wiki is international, and let's keep it that way. Per all, especially Walkazo,Toad85,BLOF,Game Zone and BogeyMario!
24. Leetc (talk) Per all.
25. Smileymiley5001 (talk)Per all, especially BLOF.
26. Paper Yoshi (talk) - Per Walkazo and BLOF. It keeps happening.
27. Mariofanatic64 (talk) I just find this whole proposal ignorant and America-centric. This is after all an international website.
28. Tyler2513 (talk) Per all
29. MrConcreteDonkey (talk) - Per all. I'm British, and I'm very opposed to a completely American Wiki.
30. Yoshidude99 (talk)I'm Brtish and it would be confusing for me.
31. Mechawave (talk) - We had a proposal talking about this. It was decided which region the game was released in first determines its title. I find this reasonable and not everyone abides by American English.

Comments

I moved this here from talk:SNMBWii because it is, in no way, a TPP: it is proposing we change our naming conventions, which is affects the entire database, not just that one article. I also fixed the deadline (it was originally 10 days, which isn't the proper length for TPPs or normal Proposals). The title should also be changed, since it is a misnomer: this is not just about which boxart we should use, this is about the names of our articles. - Walkazo (talk)

@BabyLuigiOnFire
Where does it says that we should use the first internationl english boxart? We have no polices about it as far as I know. SWFlash (talk)

We take the first English game released to be put up on the template. BabyLuigiOnFire (talk)

Well, you (SWFlash) helpfully put it on Template:Infobox a couple months ago (and I tweaked the wording a bit): "|image= Box art of the game (take the first released English-language box art)". Also, when the First English Name proposal was enacted, replacing the images was part of the changes made to the articles that were renamed from NA titles to PAL. I'm not sure if it was said that we had to do it anywhere, but it made sense for the image to match the title, and for consistency, using the first English language boxart simply became the way things were done even if the names were the same (although I am not aware of how long that took or how many pages were updated and whatnot). - Walkazo (talk)

In order to be fair to the regions who speak English outside of North America, if a game gets released in the PAL region first, we use the PAL names. If a game gets released in the NTSC-U region first, we use the NTSC-U names. Since Mario Kart Wii was released in the PAL region first, we use the PAL names and PAL boxarts, while the NTSC-U names are redirects; Ex.: Flame Runner redirects to Bowser Bike. Likewise, Wario Land: Shake It! was released in the NTSC-U region first, so we use the NTSC-U names and NTSC-U boxarts, while the PAL names are redirects. M&SG (talk)

People often use the term PAL to refer to both Europe and Australia, because the European game names, boxarts etc. are often the same as the one from Australia, but not always. In the case of WarioWare: Smooth Moves, Europe got a Yellow box and Australia a Pink box. Because it released first in Europe, the European box should be used on top of the page. Don't mix it up with the Australian, just because the box also has the word PAL on it. Also don't forget that terms like PAL and NTSC only occur for home-consoles and not handhelds, since PAL and NTSC are analog television colour encoding systems. Arend (talk)

Thanks for "Per-ing" me, TurniPowerup. That was very generous and thoughtful of you. As soon as you have a page, I would like to be friends with you. :) GameZone (talk)

We could make the PAL name a redirect to the English page, and just note its PAL name in the first sentence. TyphlosionBlaze (talk)

No we can't it's against are policy to do that Goomba's Shoe15 (talk)

@TyphlosionBlaze: Confusing to American users? If this proposal passes, imagine how confusing it's going to be to non-American users (which is basically most of the rest of the world). MrConcreteDonkey (talk)

Super Mario Advance

We have articles for Super Mario 64 DS and Super Mario Bros. Deluxe and even Donkey Kong Original Edition.But why not any gamein the Super Mario Advance (series). Alot of theses games are alot diffrent than the originals. Espically the 4th.Something nees to be done.Either delete DK:The Original Edition of do whats mentioned above.Thank you.

Proposer: Ryandavhet (talk)
Deadline:August 30, 2011, 23:59 GMT

Comment

I might be willing to support if the articles you linked to weren't red links. Reversinator (talk)

Miscellaneous

None at the moment.