Talk:Crazy Kong

Lanky Kong distinguish template

Earlier, I had put a distinguish template on this regarding Lanky Kong due to him being referred to as "this crazy Kong" in the DK Rap, and it was removed because "no one would search for that looking for him." I object to that statement on numerous counts: the DK Rap is the most well-known aspect of Donkey Kong 64 due to its highly memetic status (as in, it is a standard template for many video/audio remix practices), and the song does not actually mention him by name. It isn't unlikely at all, therefore, that someone would misconstrue the line as referring to his name. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:32, January 7, 2024 (EST)

Because we don't really do meme status when it comes to searching for things on this Wiki? PrincessPeachFan (talk) 13:04, January 8, 2024 (EST)

Ok but the touch-and-go situation described by Doc is pretty realistic nonetheless. If all of your knowledge on the DK franchise is the DK Rap (and that's to be expected considering its meme status) and you're curious about the funny orangutan from the third verse, "crazy Kong" is the closest thing to a name you can latch on to. The distinguish tag would only aid you in your search. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 13:50, January 8, 2024 (EST)

Looking at this article's history, it was Archivist Toadette who added the distinguish template; you, Doc, didn't seem to have made any edits here. Aside from that, I'm mixed on adding back the template, but leaning towards doing so — it's very silly and niche, but still potentially helpful. SolemnStormcloud (talk) 13:29, January 10, 2024 (EST)

I added it back. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 10:51, April 25, 2024 (EDT)

"The song does not actually mention him by name" - Nor does it mention the other Kongs by name besides DK. And the lyrics go "this crazy Kong", so I don't see how someone would confuse what's clearly meant to be an adjective as his actual name. Would people think Tiny Kong is called "Cool Kong" because the rap refers to her as "one cool Kong"? Mario JC 11:26, April 25, 2024 (EDT)

If they only had the DK rap as their knowledge on the DK franchise, like @Koopa con Carne said. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 11:41, April 25, 2024 (EDT)

You don't need knowledge of the DK franchise to recognise the word is being used as an adjective. Mario JC 11:54, April 25, 2024 (EDT)

As are pretty much all the Kong names, including his actual name. And it's less about "thinking it's his actual name" and more about "hm, I wonder who that Crazy Kong that can handstand and inflate himself is" and having that be the only thing they can think to fall back on. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 12:18, April 25, 2024 (EDT)

Agreed. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 13:50, April 25, 2024 (EDT)

It's not rare that I wanted to look up a specific character I saw in a video, meme, or whatnot and couldn't find it easily because I had little knowledge of the source material. It's a reasonable assumption to make that even people who have no interest or knowledge in Donkey Kong have been exposed to the DK Rap, because, let's face it, it's a viral song within the gaming sphere; and Lanky Kong's verse especially has become a standout part of that song, so there'd be people who don't even know where the song comes from who are curious about the character; so why not optimize their search around the one descriptor the song uses for this character? -- KOOPA CON CARNE 15:20, April 25, 2024 (EDT)

Game infobox

Shouldn't this article use the game infobox? It is an official, licensed game in the Donkey Kong series, after all, so I don't see why it shouldn't. Yours truly, RetroNintendo2008. 10:54, March 17, 2024 (EDT)

I might have found Crazy Junior...

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While researching info on this game, I found a Reddit post on someone who had apparently "fixed up" their Crazy Junior arcade machine. Going of the rather low quality picture as shown, it seems to look identical to that of Donkey Kong Jr., which is unlike Crazy Kong and Crazy Kong Part II that have major differences from Donkey Kong. Should I include this on the article or does this screenshot seem a little fake for it to be a "reliable source"? Kaptain Skurvy 9:55, October 12, 2024 (EDT)

Difference in level order from Donkey Kong

In Donkey Kong the first level is girders then rivets. The second level is girders, elevators, rivets. The third level is girders, elevators, conveyor belt, rivets. In other words, each level adds a new screen. In Crazy Kong and other derivatives all screens are playable at all levels. So level one is girders, elevators, conveyor belts, rivets. 24.85.30.53 20:55, November 18, 2024 (EST)

This is the level order in the Japanese version of Donkey Kong. It was also used in the earliest version released in the US. Crazy Kong is based on the Japanese version.--Platform (talk) 21:51, February 1, 2025 (EST)

Unresolved questions

1: Kyoei: When Nintendo signed an agreement on September 23, 1981 to manufacture CK, it was with a company called Kyoei. CK1 machines have Kyoei-branded instructionsMedia:CK Instruction Card.jpg. Kyoei quickly transferred the license to its parent company, Falcon. The Kyoei brand is not seen on CK2 instructions and I don't think Kyoei machines have ever left Japan. I don't think Nintendo ever objected to the license transfer as none of the articles I've read mention it. Nintendo seems to treat the two companies interchangeably in their lawsuit. Are all Japanese CK1 machines Kyoei-branded rather than Falcon? Some Japanese sources [1] [2] claim that Kyoei had created CK1 before the license and sought Nintendo's permission to retroactively legitimize machines they've already produced. Can this be confirmed?

2: Crazy Kong Part II release date: In the Japanese wiki for Donkey Kong, there is a section devoted to CK. In it, Ikegami Tsushinki programmer Hirohisa Komanome, who worked on DK, claims to have witnessed DK break out of his cage and was impressed. This is from the attract mode of Part II. He says he saw it during the Amusement Machine Show of '81. This was held from October 6th through the 8th. Isn't this too soon? Two weeks after the license with Kyoei for CK1 and Falcon pumps out CK2?!

3: Official cabinets: CK is created using Crazy Climber hardware, hence the name Crazy Kong. Did Kyoei or Falcon reuse the Nichibutsu cabinets as well? Nichibutsu licensed manufacture of whole CC machines to Sega and Orca, and Taito got the rights to resell CC PCBs. Did Kyoei/Falcon use any parts from these? And/or did Kyoei/Falcon use their own cabinets? Do any legitimate Japanese CK1/CK2 machines still exist? I don't have a lot of confidence in the marquees posted in the gallery, they lack Kyoei/Falcon branding and the instructions are in English rather than Japanese. I don't think any of the CK cabinets in the gallery are made by Kyoei/Falcon. The Crazy Junior cabinets look like they are for the US market, but then again everything related to this game is illegal. --Platform (talk) 01:37, February 2, 2025 (EST)

Updates for #1 and #3: All CK1 are Kyoei and all CK2 are Falcon. Neither Falcon nor Kyoei have ever produced cabinets. They manufactured and sold PCBs only. There are no dedicated CK cabinets in Japan (therefore all CK cabinets and marquees are unauthorized). The images in the gallery are recent conversions made by a Japanese hobbyist [3] [4]. Falcon exported CK to the US, where they did have dedicated white cabinets manufactured by a Rhode Island company called Omni Video / Glak / Eagle (all the same shady company). Falcon exported CK2 to Europe with Zaccaria making dedicated black cabinets for it (was Zaccaria aware of the illegality of their agreement?). Falcon made only 12 thousand Crazy Kong Jr. PCBs and Omni produced the US cabinets for them too (as Crazy Junior). These resemble their CK cabinets but with slight color changes.--Platform (talk) 06:17, February 4, 2025 (EST)