Talk:History of Mario

i dont understand why was this split? are we going to split other character history pages too now? Bowser article is ginormous
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by CoolNintendo (talk).

I think the idea was brought up somewhere, but this really should have had a proposal first. Nightwicked Bowser 16:58, May 19, 2023 (EDT)

I saw a link to MarioWiki:Article size in the edit summary and it says that >100KB pages "almost certainly should be divided" so i think it's a rule here i guess. i actually think i approve of the rule because my computer in general sometimes lags when going on those articles -CoolNintendo

Yeah I decided to split because our policy outlines it explicitly (it also helps with accessibility immensely, as you said with your computer; it's not easy loading with mine either and mine is a good pc), and it even has a listed example concerning Mario's page, mama mia. "For example, summarizing the "History" section of Mario to give a much more top-level overview and using {{main}} to link to a new page entitled "History of Mario"." Bowser's article SHOULD get a split, pronto too. The only reason it hasn't happened is that IMO the initiative hasn't been taken yet (it's not an easy undertaking). I decided just today to take it. Mario^-HOHO! (Talk / Stalk) 17:09, May 19, 2023 (EDT)

What about Wario -CoolNintendo

Probably. As long as Nintendo continues treating him like a major recurring character, he's going to eventually need his own history. This probably also applies to recurring objects like Super Mushroom or Pipe, depends on how large the articles are for those, but I think we should focus on characters first. Mario^-HOHO! (Talk / Stalk) 17:12, May 19, 2023 (EDT)

Okay thank you for explaing, I'm just new here and didn't understand what was going on. CoolNintendo (talk) 17:14, May 19, 2023 (EDT)

Split again?

This article already reached 100 KB, I think they should be split into new pages under a name like Mario Party history of Mario or History of Mario in Mario Party. Derekblue1(talk) 07:10, December 2, 2023 (EST)

Interesting that you mention this because I asked an admin about it earlier. I agree with a split, but I'm currently uncertain of how one could do it efficiently or what will have to be split. Super Game Gear (talk) 07:33, December 2, 2023 (EST)

Yes, and it is not only Mario. I noticed Luigi and Princess Peach; even Bowser's history is gigantic. I think we should split the article into different articles; the ones that can be left out are miscellaneous appearances. Derekblue1(talk) 09:18, December 2, 2023 (EST)

Splitting this further is following the letter of the policy a little too closely, in my opinion. The article size policy, at its core, is for the benefit of readers by avoiding overly large pages and long loading times. Splitting history articles further by genre or sub-series compartmentalizes it too much which is more inconvenient for readers, and I'm skeptical that any of the resulting pages would be large enough to justify splitting. I don't think the article size policy is something that should be strictly adhered to unless 1. the page has issues with load times and 2. we can reasonably split it in a logical manner. For example, Super Mario Odyssey is also technically in violation of this policy, but I don't see how it can be split, nor do I think it should be. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 12:50, December 2, 2023 (EST)

I'd also like to add that many Mario Kart Tour-related pages are far more egregious violators of this policy in terms of byte size and actual loading times. (Just look at Special:Longpages!) If we're going to be working on long pages, we'd probably be better off working on those. I really think those should use text lists instead of images for everything. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 13:10, December 2, 2023 (EST)

I thought splitting histories from a character's page was already a dubious move. It is arguably the most important part of what a character's page should have (descriptions of their roles in each game), and moving it behind a separate page just adds one extra step that I do not like. With that said, I think splitting History pages further is even worse. How many links would I eventually need to jump through just because I looked up "Mario" so I could see what he did in Sparks of Hope? Or in Mario Party 5? From Mario to History of Mario, then to History of Mario in RPGs or something, then I have to go back and go to History of Mario in the Mario Party series. It seems like an unnecessary hassle to me, just to cut down on page sizes that are already mostly just plain txt. Would that really help with loading times? Or convenience? — Lady Sophie ^(T|C) 09:47, December 2, 2023 (EST)

The policy resolved this issue changing that over 150kB of a page deserves to be split. Derekblue1(talk) 03:50, December 12, 2023 (EST)

Where was that decided? Nightwicked Bowser 05:43, December 12, 2023 (EST)

I do not know. Someone told me on my talk page that I had to pause splitting history articles until the new policy was decided which was not stated where. There is a history showing that Porplemontage (talk) edited on on MarioWiki:Article size. Derekblue1(talk) 06:58, December 12, 2023 (EST)

It says on that article that if articles exceed 150k bytes, they should be considered for a split. This does not mean it should instantly be done as soon as the article reaches that amount of bytes, especially considering the state the Bob-omb article was in after splitting. Nightwicked Bowser 16:42, December 12, 2023 (EST)

Yeah... I realized that I did not pay attention to the policy change when I was performing those splitting edits. Derekblue1(talk) 03:50, December 13, 2023 (EST)