Talk:Mario/Archive 1

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Powers and Abilities section question

I have a question about one of the quotes in the section: "He can even keep up with the world's fastest hedgehog", of course referring to Sonic... the only source for this is Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games, which portrays Sonic as only marginally faster than Yoshi- now, admittedly, Yoshi is rather fleet of foot, but he cannot run ANYWHERE near the speed of sound. My question is, should a disclaimer to that statement be put in, something along the lines of '(admittedly, only in Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games, wherein Sonic is portrayed as much slower than in his own titles)'?

Because, as it stands, this really irks me, as it hints at Mario being much, MUCH faster than he really IS. Not saying he can't kick it into high gear when he needs to, but stating that he can run at Mach 1 or faster (which is basically what that quote is implying)?!? Yeah, that quote there can be rather misleading. Dinosaur bob 16:54, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

DDRMM

Should DDRMM be in the other spin-offs section? ^{Plumber, darkgreen}

Yeh. 3D, nice sprites.

No, it a canonical adventure.Knife (talk) 23:21, 19 February 2007 (EST)

Agreed, spin-offs should be strict sports games, kart games and party games which don't have real plots. Now I know some of these technically do have plots, but in Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix the plot is a huge part of the game, while for a game like say, Mario Party 6, the plot is more like an added feature while the party aspect is the real flesh of the game. Even sidescrollers have plot injected in the main game, i.e. the only "point" of the game is to save Peach, while party games are there to make you party.

Now, my real problems on this whole spin-off issue are Mario is Missing and Mario's Time Machine. Sure most people look down on these games, but that doesn't mean they're spin-offs: they're plot-driven, not some sport/kart racing/party games, and they shouldn't be included there but in the main timeline. Same with Hotel Mario. - Walkazo

Brooklyn, NY

The "Growing up in Brooklyn" section should be cited. Mumbles 22:50, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

:P Ugh, dumb me. The information is from one of the shows. But they're not canon. Removing it. Mumbles 17:18, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Applying the term canon to the Mario series is non-canon. The history section is for all information that fits into a specific place on the timeline. This particular issue of the Nintendo Comics System does that: Mario's baby-hood and childhood. Stumpers! 19:27, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Cameos

Tetris

Qix

Pinball

Punch-Out

Golf

And lots of other games, too http://www.smbhq.com/cameos.htm Should it be in the article? HK

I don't see why not. Make a list of the Cameos right above the external links and then link to the other cameos this way: [http://www.smbhq.com/cameos.htm here]. Wayoshi 12:53, 19 July 2006 (EDT)

Okay. its on my todo list. HK

Mario Superstar Baseball stats.

Batting:7 Pitching:7 Fielding:7 Running:6 --User:PeteyPiranhaLover

His stats don't really matter. His bio does, though.Waluigi Freak 99 19:07, 29 August 2006 (EDT)

Picture

Can somebody find another 3-D Pic? The picture just seems to similiar to the one on Wikipedia.Knife (talk)

Done. Paper Jorge (Talk·Contribs)

He meant the very top picture is exactly the same as Wikipedia. I have a Smash Bros. Brawl render to upload right now. Wa _T^C_@^Y 06:38, 22 November 2006 (EST)

Then post it here and we can vote. Mumbles 22:55, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

VERY Humble Beginnings

The "Humble Beginnings" section of this article needs work. Not only does it contain bad grammar, but unofficial snippets as well, such as "His pet monkey, Donkey Kong (the currently known senior Cranky Kong) was apparently abused by Mario (Jumpman). In revenge he kidnapped his girlfriend Pauline and climbed building he was constructing." Is this official? Even if it is, it needs work. 3D, {{{1}}}

Well... it was stated so in the instruction manual.Knife (talk)

Headlines

I think that Mario Party series does pretty well as a subheadline to "Other Spin-Offs", as all other games/series listed there do. Why do you change my edits back? --Cobold 13:14, 28 January 2007 (EST)

Brooklyn?

Why couldn't Mario be from Brooklyn? User:Knife/sig1

Okay. I just changed the article with all available sources. According to SMW2 (the game and instruction manual), Mario was born in the Mushroom Kingdom. However, the Official Super Mario 64 Player's Guide (a very low-level canon source) calls Mario a Brooklynite. When these sources are combined, this means that Mario was born in the Mushroom Kingdom, but must have spent some of his life in Brooklyn. As far as this wiki knows, the game Donkey Kong does not take place in Brooklyn. The most canon source is Donkey Kong Land, which indicates that Donkey Kong took place in Big Ape City, an urban region of Donkey Kong Island. Also, this wiki has not found any source to indicate where Mario Bros. takes place. All we know is that is in the sewers. -- Son of Suns

I like to think of "Brooklyn" as another name for Big Ape City, or maybe some part of it (like Earth's Brooklyn is for New York). To me, this fits everything together and makes more sence than Mario and Luigi being from our planet's Brooklyn (did anything even specify it's Brooklyn, New York?). I know it's not exactly canocal, but I just thought I'd put it out there. - Walkazo

...Keep it to the talk page. Mumbles 22:56, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

Donkey Kong Image

Why was that image I added from Donkey Kong changed back? The orignal was low quality. I put in hours of work into that other, background free image. What's the point in changing it back? - Hyper Mushroom

The new one is very low quality and an unofficial fan image. Background is good. -- Son of Suns

Unofficial?! That was on the cover of billions of ports of that game! See for yourself! If we're just removing images because of quality someone had better sort out that image of the Mario Bros. from Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga. And BACKGROUND?! What's so good about background? - Hyper Mushroom

Did you make the image? All the other images look slightly different. Anyways, the current pic is better; it looks like a person, not a scribbly character. Background establishes setting - I wish Nintendo put characters in a setting more often. The SS image is fine - it is an official image released by Nintendo. -- Son of Suns

C'mon! you can see the lack of quality from a mile off! This is the one I removed the background from (It may look a little bad because I couldn't tell what was the background an what was the outline) and again, it took me HOURS. The only reason it looks scribbly is because he's ducking under a barrel, making him look short and wobbly, but of course that isn't how he REALLY looks. I could always get the same thing with the background so... Oh. That would mean there were no difference between the two. BUT THE ORIGINAL IS SMALL! - Hyper Mushroom

Ooof... you need to get a program to help you with that. Microsoft PhotoDraw is what I use. MS Paint is too finicky. :) --Stumpers

Parent

Mario is the Yoshi Kid's adopted parent, right? ^Plumber

Why do you ask? - Hyper Mushroom

Because if that's the case, Mario should get in major trouble for abandoning the kid to fight in the Glitz Pit after PM:TTYD was over! - Walkazo (in case you didn't notice, that was a joke).

Surname

I understand that the Mario Bros. movie established their surname as "Mario", but the movie isn't considered canon. Is there a canon source which backs this up? (and, if so, what?) -Chinju 19:35, 27 March 2007 (EDT)

Found one! The baby Mario trophy in SSBM:

"The stork delivers two babies to the MARIO household. -Hyper Mushroom

M&L:PiT

Hey, guys. I noticed that there's no reference to the Shroob invation of M&L:PiT in the Early Life section. It is my opinion that regardless of your theory of time travel (that all changes to the past happened before you traveled or that you can change the past), in the present time Mario & Luigi have helped their older selves defeat the Shroobs. Therefore, I would put a paragraph in the Early Life section about it. Please respond. If you want this done, I could put it together for you. --Stumpers

The Early Life section should only be about Baby Mario. Of course, the Shroob invasion should be mentioned, and that Baby Mario met his future self. However, there should be a fuller section in the middle of the biography, stating that the present Mario went back in time to help his past self. The Biographhy section should be written in term's of Mario's life - he fought the Shroobs as a baby, grew up, then went back in time and fought the Shroobs as an adult with his baby self. -- Son of Suns

That was... weid. Wouldn't they know how to beat them if... but wait... huh? Max2 curse time travel.

The babies didn't really remember.
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by TheGreatBlockyBoo (talk).

Wrong Again Blocky Boo... Angry Sun 23:51, 4 June 2007 (EDT)

Why is he wrong? Do you remeber abything as a baby? My earliest memories are flashes from when I was hospitalized at age 4. Mind you, the only reason I can remember anything is 'cause it was a traumatic experience, and even then I'm pretty sure the images I "remember" aren't actaully what I went through but skewed images my brain has slapped on my actual degraded memories based on what people've told me about the whole thing afterwards. Long story short, it makes perfect sense that the adult Mario Bors. wouldn't remember the Shroob incident from when they were babies. - Walkazo

Wow, that sounds a heck of a lot like me. :P Mumbles 22:59, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

SPM Info

Could somebody please put info on Mario in SPM A fan of Yoshi | Here

I don't think you're supposed to ask other people to put in information.
I am Confused 21:51, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

Royalty?

how is he royalty? Xzelion^ETC

Well, I think he was referred to as royalty in a cartoon and he did have his own castle in SML2. But he was never actually proclaimed as a king or a prince, so I'm not sure.Knife (talk) 14:40, 9 June 2007 (EDT)

I'm pretty sure he was crowned as the ruler of a few places in The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!, but I don't think he ever kept the title. -- Sir Grodus

He was never called king or prince even thought he was ruler of Mario Land. Also like Grodus said he was kinged a few times, mostly in Rap Land because in Rap Land it NEVER shows him being unkinged. Click here to see the universe. SuperLuigi821 Oh you let the hat out of the bag, Big Top!

Plus the show isn't really part of the main storyline. User:Pal101

About the above comment: to say that it is or that it isn't is speculative and is based on what you believe to be the main storyline. The categories on this Wiki refer to all forms of media, so it really isn't of importance whether the show is in the storyline or not right now. (lucky for us, eh?) Mario was crowned king of Cramalot, I remember, but abandoned that when he found out that the king couldn't be chubby or eat a lot. Stumpers! 16:12, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

Wow, this section is really old. I do think Mario belongs in the Royalty category though, based on his SML2 castle.Knife (talk) 16:28, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

I don't think you have to be royal to own a castle. In real life, non-royal nobility can have one as well. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 16:35, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

Just to lighten the load a bit: it doesn't matter whether he was royalty in games or not because this is a category we're talking about, and he was royalty at least twice in the Super Show. Doesn't royalty category apply to anyone who ever was? Stumpers! 16:40, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

I agree.Knife (talk) 16:42, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

No edited sections?

How come I can't edit sections on this page? On this huge page, section editing is very important to editors.Knife (talk) 22:27, 11 June 2007 (EDT)

Similar Pics

Look at the pictures from the Land of Darkness section and the Flipped section. They're practically the same except that one of them has Tippi in it. One of these pictures does not belong to that appropriate game. Mat_Rix_007 Hmmm... good point, but I think they probably just reused PM:TTYD artwork for SPM and put Tippi in it. -- CrystalYoshi 17:55, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

Olympics

Um, for some reason, Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games, is redirecting to Mario's page.

Last Name

I heard about "Mario Mario" as a full name, but Mario the Greatest (talk) says Nintendo has said neither Mario or Luigi have last names. Confirmation? Wa _T^C_@^Y 21:34, 20 July 2007 (EDT)

I remember seeing this old interview on YouTube with Nintendo of America, back in the early days of Mario. The guy they interviewed said Mario and Luigi didn't have last names. -- Sir Grodus

Confirmation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGFRi_ueq-M ♥♪!? 21:39, 20 July 2007 (EDT)

1988 LOL, ok :P Wa _T^C_@^Y 21:41, 20 July 2007 (EDT)

But... they are the Mario Brothers! The interviwed lies!

User: Mr.Game and Watch

There's more proof up in the Surname section. - Walkazo

The Super Mario Bros. film says that Mario is the last name of Mario and Luigi. White Knight (talk)

I thought Mario's last name was meatball but that was a lie. Still I think they have no last name. Danielnator1 (talk)

What happens?

With the Human and Smash Bros Tables?
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mr.Game and Watch (talk).

Are you refering to {{human}} and {{SSB}}? They are in the scroll box at the bottom of the page, you have to scroll inside the box to see them. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 14:39, 23 July 2007 (EDT)

Latest Appearance

Wouldn't Mario's latest appearance be Mario Strikers Charged?

Mariofan132

I dunno because there's an flame war going on right now.F g

Mario Strikers Charged was released to the world before Itadaki Street DS was. -- Son of Suns

Biography order

The current order of the biography sections is:

• Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
• Yoshi's Island DS
• Donkey Kong
• Donkey Kong '94
• Donkey Kong Jr.
• Mario Bros.
• Wrecking Crew
• Super Mario Bros.
• Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels
• Super Mario Bros. 2
• Super Mario Bros. 3
• Super Mario World
• Yoshi's Safari
• Super Mario Land
• Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins
• Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars
• Super Mario 64
• Super Mario 64 DS
• Wrecking Crew '98
• Paper Mario
• Luigi's Mansion
• Super Mario Sunshine
• Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga
• Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time
• Mario Pinball Land
• Mario vs. Donkey Kong
• Mario vs. Donkey Kong 2: March of the Minis
• Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
• Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix
• Super Princess Peach
• New Super Mario Bros.
• Super Paper Mario

According to MarioWiki: Chronology, SML2 has been set right after SML, because it is the direct sequel. Also, M&L: PiT has been set after M&L: SS. However, I don't think Partners in Time counts as a sequel, afaik it is a completely unrelated story with merely the same control system. Fawful doesn't change it. If it would, then PM:TTYD would be the direct sequel to PM (because of Bow). Also, I'm spektical about Mario vs DK 2 and Wrecking Crew '98. Do they belong where they are? Lastly, I think Mario Pinball Land and DDR: Mario Mix should be moved to the Spinoff section. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 10:35, 7 October 2007 (EDT)

Too many freakin' pictures.

Seriously, I think there's more pictures than words in this article. (okay, not really) But anyway, we better decide on what pictures should be deleted. I already deleted the MPDS one because it overlapped the SSB infobox. NMRodo

Just move them to the screenshots section. ;) My Bloody Valentine

<_< >_> That'll work. NMRodo

Go ahead and delete the images then. I won't stop you and besides there are rarely anything to do here anyway.(Super F22 Pilot 01:42, 20 November 2007 (EST))

pix

I saw this picture File:Mmpicro9.png in Mario bio!!! is this vandalism!! (sorry if i spelled it wrong) I think the user peter-o posted this!!! (I checked the history.) Princess Butterfly 19:48, 22 December 2007 (EST)

Its vandalism. Bye bye, Image! >:D My Bloody Valentine

Toys

I heard of action figures and toys of Mario.(Super F22 Pilot 05:06, 11 January 2008 (EST))

You'll probably find them in the Merchandise section... you can find a link on the main page. Stumpers! 19:12, 31 January 2008 (EST)

vadalism

You know how Mario's page always gets vadalism. I think there a way to stop users from causing vadal. I think it by blocking the edit page for a while. Princess Grapes Butterfly 20:57, 26 January 2008 (EST)

You can block new users from editing (like one who created an account two minutes ago for the purpose of spamming and leaving). This worked pretty well on the Super Smash Bros. Brawl article, btw. Nice to see you again, Ms. Grapes! Stumpers! 02:40, 27 January 2008 (EST)

Really I thought that only Sysop can block the users. Princess Grapes Butterfly 18:34, 27 January 2008 (EST)

Sorry, I meant the general you. You're right: only sysops can do it. PaperJorge blocked the Brawl article I think, so you could ask him. Stumpers! 23:48, 27 January 2008 (EST)

Maybe we should auto-block this too (block it from new users).Knife (talk) 19:34, 28 January 2008 (EST)

Yeah many new users start trouble. If you auto-blocked the most page that get the most vandal. That way you have more time to catch the user that vandal. Princess Grapes Butterfly 15:50, 31 January 2008 (EST)

Vandalism?

There are a lot of freaky quotes that claim to be from E3, are those vandalism or real? - Star Child (talk)

The Sony one needs clarification. His nose grew after he said it. That should be noted, otherwise the quote is out of context. ChozoBoy 00:07, 18 February 2008 (EST)

Hmmm I was wondering 'bout that "THEY" should at least post a source of proof that those quotes are true. Princess Grapes Butterfly 19:07, 19 February 2008 (EST)

Mixed culture

Since Mario was born in the Mushroom Kingdom wouldn't that make him part toad? (This is all confusing I blame the Nintendo works who mess up his LIFE! His culture!)Princess Grapes Butterfly 19:07, 19 February 2008 (EST)

Nope. Just because someone was born somewhere doesn't necessary mean they are something. Err, what I mean is that if a Koopa was born in the Mushroom Kingdom, would that make him part Toad? Or how about Monty Mole? ...I really don't think so. Paper Jorge ( Talk·Contributions)·

Princess: the deal with Peach is that one of her relatives was a Toad, so she is part Toad. However, we know Mario and Luigi's Parents are both human. This doesn't rule out the possibility that Mario is part Toad, but we have no indication that he is not 100% human. Stumpers! 21:22, 19 February 2008 (EST)

Oh really? I wasn't sure if he was part toad it seem like his is since he and Luigi was born in the mushroom kingdom so it makes it sound like was part toad. (I still blame the lazy works of Nintendo who screwed up his bio.)Princess Grapes Butterfly 11:52, 20 February 2008 (EST) Hey at least we know his not 100% human

I'm not even sure if we know that! :O We need more information on his back story. Stumpers! 16:18, 20 February 2008 (EST)

Half a page!

I was editing the pages I notice the ref thing was there I click on it so it took me to the bottom of the page I notice that the user whom mage this spelled something wrong so I went to remove the ref thing I click save and the I notic ethat half the page was missing! Did I do something wrong?!?! (P.S I was go to tell the user who made the ref to change the level to Baby Mario and Baby Peach... Princess Grapes Butterfly 19:38, 22 February 2008 (EST) Thank the stars I thouhgt I made a HUGE mistake. (Yeah I know you can put babies but the level'S name is in red because it spelled wrong

You forgot to close the <ref></ref> tags, so the software considered the bottom half of the page to be part of your reference. Nothing serious, just a </ref> missing. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 19:45, 22 February 2008 (EST)

Also the refernece thing is real... Paper Jorge ( Talk·Contributions)·

Sounds like a misunderstanding. Instead of saying "Baby Mario and Baby Peach", you can say "Babies Mario and Peach", which means that they are both babies. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 19:48, 22 February 2008 (EST)

Oh, don't worry, mistakes like this can happen, nothing too big. Just be glad you aren't a Sysop. The mistakes you can make as a Sysop are far worse... My Bloody Valentine

Really? Yikes!Princess Grapes Butterfly 20:05, 22 February 2008 (EST) Thank for telling me. Really

No need to worry. Everything done wrong can be restored. Everything except deleted images. But you can't delete images, so you can't harm any wiki content at all. ;) - Cobold (talk · contribs) 20:06, 22 February 2008 (EST)

U-G-L-Y

Doesn't anyone see how cramped and ugly this page is? Specifically in the sports section? I don't know who is actually running their PC on a low enough resolution for everything to be spaced out, but if you haven't checked, YOUR PC LOOKS WAAAY better in a high resolution! I know that I fixed this page up once before, and I don't know who was noobish enough to revert basically everything I did, but you made a mistake. You guys need to stop being chumps and learn how to improve on a page's appearance! Also, nothing I have said is meant to be taken as offensive so please don't cry wolf for me using name calling, ok? Grow up people. Fixitup

Your not impressing anyone, Fixit. You could've been a bit more polite with your "lecture". Everyone (except trolls and vandals) means well on this Wiki, its not their fault if they "mess up the page" in your eyes. Stop being a complete lazy jerk, and do something about the pages "ugly" look! My Bloody Valentine

What are you, insane?! I just explained that I had done something about the page, and someone changed it. YOU are the one being a "lazy jerk"! I have done far more things that people are too lazy to do on this wiki than someone like you has! I just worked on this page before even posting that even! You are just so determined to defend yourself on something, that you didn't even pay attention to what I said! How about before you call me a "lazy jerk", you check to see what has just happened! What is up with YOU and always misinterpreting a situation? OH, and talking about being "polite", I didn't call you anything that you didn't just call me, "LAZY JERK"! Fixitup

YO! You both need to calm down. Fixitup, PokemonDP, you're both great users. Fixitup: it's true, you need to bring down the offensive language and use a more positive tone. And DP, you're too good to be name calling. :( So, the page is messed up, or someone reverted an edit, or whatever. Fixitup, check who undid your edit, and if they aren't a sysop or whatever, you can always undo their edits. If they are, take it up with them on their talk page. Stumpers! 17:01, 23 February 2008 (EST)

What is the reason for you shouting at as? Did we do something bad? Of course some pages get minor attention on the wiki. But editing is never a must. You can blame no user for not editing. Noone seeked a fight with you, there is no reason for you to provoke one. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 17:05, 23 February 2008 (EST)

I'm sorry Cobold, but you are not making any sense. Maybe it's your grammar, but I can't understand what you are saying. Doesn't make any sense. Fixitup

Strange, to me it makes perfect sense. You just came by and shouted at us, for no reason whatsoever. It's cool that you seem to know everything about page layout and stuff, while "the rest of us" are noobish chumps. But have you ever thought about letting us partake in your great knowledge? I agree with you that "lazy jerk" is not an appropriate term for you, but otherwise Pokemon DP is absolutely right. If you think you're the only one able to make a proper article (which would be really, really poor, in my opinion), you should make your own website about Mario instead of taking part in a wiki. By the way, saying that your statement is not meant to be taken as offensive doesn't make it any less offensive, actually. Time Questions 07:05, 24 February 2008 (EST)

Yeah sure, because you're so awesome right? I don't see why everyone responding to this is taking it as me attacking anyone involved. Obviously, the people that reverted my edits are who I'm referring to. And as for the fact it happened so long ago, it would take me forever to find out who it was, it's quite useless to say something like, "Hey, whoever reverted my edits is dumb". Whatever though. I didn't say that only I could edit this article, but it's obvious that 'SOME PEOPLE' shouldn't be working on articles here. You, just like DP, have misinterpreted my argument, as I explained. And acting like you are the positive side of an argument, which you obviously didn't understand, doesn't make you right. I've dealt with people like you before, so I expect you to reply with something that you would think makes you clever like, "OK, explain your argument then". Then I'll say, "Wow, I just did, and you still don't get it?". Am I right? That's what would've happened right? Sure, yeah I'm perfect, I can't be wrong, I'm right about everything? That's what you're thinking isn't it? Like I said, I wasn't trying to call out everybody who works on this page, I was (what I thought was obvious) trying to make a point that- you know what let me start from here. I don't know about everyone else, but I use a high resolution for my PC screen. Therefore, I see everything on the wikis in a certain way. And regardless of what the popular opinion may be, these pages look better in a high resolution. Do you notice the sports section on this page? How everything is all cramped/misplaced/just wrong? I fixed that up, and someone decided that I made a mistake. I don't know who, and I don't know the real reason why. I dunno though, maybe there should be a notice that these pages are best viewed in a high resolution. Whatever, the thing is there was a proposal recently. It was complaining about how (why should the Daisy and Waluigi articles have good external information but not blah blah blah) and then I go to work on the page to fix that, and someone reverts my hard work? Whatever, I guess I'm just a "lazy jerk" who complains but doesn't do anything, right? WHATEVERRR-- Fixitup 14:20, 24 February 2008 (EST)

Sir, calm down. No one wanted a fight with you, only you seem to want to throw insults at us. No one was complaining, and you're not making us complaining by saying we would. Stop this pointless argueing with no partner to argue with. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 14:30, 24 February 2008 (EST)

Wow, you didn't even consult the positives of what I just said. Did you even read it? Fixitup 16:22, 24 February 2008 (EST)

Your problem is with the edit reverter, not everyone on the Wiki. Just check history, talk to the person, and be done with it. Stumpers! 16:29, 24 February 2008 (EST)

Ok Stumpers, you know I get along with you, but you totally blew off what I said. I already addressed that. Fixitup 17:36, 24 February 2008 (EST)

Potential Rewrite

I constructed a partial rewrite a while ago, but I wasn't sure if it would be something the Wiki would warm up to. If you could take a look at it on User:Stumpers/Archive_1 I would greatly appreciate it. The basic gist of it is the question, "How would this article look if we included the TV shows and comics into the biography?" Stumpers! 16:51, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Help!

This is important. The picture Image:Mario.jpg, Mario Party 7 artwork, is in the gallery. Someone said the picture was blurry, and I found a version on the Gamehiker Wiki Image Gallery that was a higher resolution, so I uploaded it. But I know there's a law about fair use, and fropm reading the official artwork image pages I know that the pictures have to be low-resolution. The one I uploaded is okay, right? Please confirm this! This has really been bothering me and I'm only 12, too young to get in trouble with the police! CrystalYoshi

First off, don't worry about the police. If it's a problem, we can always fix it, it's a Wiki. If Nintendo has a problem with it, I'm sure they would tell us rather than send SWAT teams to each of our hourses. We're not making personal profit from it, for one thing. Stumpers! 22:48, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

Thanks for clearing that up, that was bothering me. CrystalYoshi 19:02, 13 March 2008 (EDT)

Anytime. Stumpers! 20:01, 13 March 2008 (EDT)

But what I'm asking is, is the picture low-resolution? It's not as high resolution as the original artwork, is it? If it's allowed on another website, that makes it okay for here, right? Or am I wrong? CrystalYoshi

17:37, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

Something I'd like to change

The part that says "The only time Yoshi and Mario fought was in the Subspace Emmisary in Brawl and that was only for a little bit' kinda gives the wrong idea. The Super Smash Bros. Series are fighting games, and when characters fight it doesn't really say anything about their relatioship. It might be better saying, "The only time Yoshi and Mario fought was in the Subspace Emmisary in Brawl, but that was only for a ltiitle bit, and since it is a fighting game, this doesn't really say much about their relationship." Can I change it? CrystalYoshi

You see, the thing is, Mario and Yoshi were always allies. First of all, in Super Smash Bros., everybody fights, enemy or ally. (ex: Fox and Falco) However, after reading this, it will further explain about character relations in the Emissary. However, Mario and Yoshi had known each other before, and are seen facing off each other. So, the article stays. Marcelagus (T • C • E)

Okay. I just thought that since the Super Smash Bros. series is developed by someone else, Mario and Yoshi's battle aren't part of the real continuity. But whatever. CrystalYoshi

CrystalYoshi is right, but for the wrong reason. Remember that the Super Smash Bros. world ("this world") is inhabited by sentient trophies based off of characters, not the actual characters themselves (read: Mario will not turn into a trophy if he is thrown far, far away... remember Paper Mario?). The developer has never been an automatic determination of what is in a certain continuity, assuming that the Mario series has a continuity in the first place. Stumpers! 21:26, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

So your saying that smash world is different from the mushroom kingdom? And so the people from smash world aren't real deal so there like counterparts? (Confusing!) Princess Grapes Butterfly 21:37, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

This article offers more information. Technically, the events of Brawl are cannon yet they're in a seperate world. So the real Mario has never met Solid Snake or Captain Olimar or fought Yoshi and stuff but the trophy version of Mario has. Confusing as it is, Brawl is a different world and universe. A whole different timeline. Paper Jorge ( Talk·Contributions)·

Princess Grapes: You have it exactly right. There is as much relation between the "real Mario" (as we're calling him :D) and the "Smash Bros. Mario" as there is between "real Mario" and "movie Mario". The thing is, unlike the movie Mario, Smash Mario is a counterpart (I like how you put that) rather than a completely different character. Stumpers! 02:05, 25 March 2008 (EDT) I think I made that more confusing.

Stumpers, you always stick up for me. (-: So can I change the sentence? CrystalYoshi

Stumps you didn't make it more confusing it make scense! So Mario has 3 counterparts. Melee/brawl Mario Movies Mario SMBSS/SM3S Mario. But they are all fake only the video game Mario is real so that means we finshin the case. (I hope I didn't make I more confusing. Sorry) Princess Grapes Butterfly 17:43, 25 March 2008 (EDT)

Just an update on this topic. There are several "incarnations" (if you will) of Mario. I've made a list of all the officially separated incarnations. Depending on how all of the sources are connected we may have more, but the following are officially separate.

• Mario of Super Mario Bros. - Often referred to as the "canon" or "real" Mario. Has never been officially separated from The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!, Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3, Super Mario World (TV series), Saturday Supercade, Nintendo Comics System, etc. In other words, anything else I don't mention on this list. There are many occurrences, such as remakes, that decentralize this incarnation of Mario, making his history very sketchy and impossible to determine exactly. For example, is Super Mario Amada related at all? How?
• Mario of Super Smash Bros. 1 - The stuffed toy brought to life by Master Hand during the events of the first title.
• Mario of Super Smash Bros. Melee and Brawl - Not officially connected nor disconnected from one another, this incarnation is however officially disconnected from SMB Mario. Connection from Melee and Brawl is assumed because of the Subspace Emissary's prelude that the trophies were veteran fighters.
• Mario of the Movie - Through a what-if scenario that occurred during the age of Dinosaurs, this Mario is very different from the central Mario. Details regarding the what-if scenario and how such a change could have effected the world (it is not confirmed whether we're talking about non-fictional Earth or the fictional Earth seen in titles such as Mario is Missing!) and Mario. For all of you sci-fi watchers out there you could compare this to an alternate dimensional version of Mario.
• Mario of Super Mario-Kun - NOTE! I have not read Mario-Kun and therefore do not know if there is an official divider, or how closely the series is related to the video games. In other words, I can't tell you whether that Mario is another incarnation or not.

Hope that makes things clearer. Stumpers! 01:12, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Main picture

Wow, this is my third section in a row on this page. Anyway, I think the main picture isn't so great since the resolution is pretty low. How about this one Image:MP8Mario.png, or this one Image:MPDSMario.jpg, or even this one Image:Mega MarioBros.jpg? CrystalYoshi

I'm voting for Image:Mega MarioBros.jpg because it's been used in both mainstream and spin-off titles. But, if we want to make it so the picture is from the most recent game in the main continuity (sports, platformers, but not Smash), then we should be using Image:MPDSMario.jpg. Stumpers! 22:27, 25 March 2008 (EDT)

Hmmm... MPDSMario is a little blurry, and you can't see all of Mario since he's in a weird position. The main picture should show Mario's looks the best since it's the main picture. MP8Mario is good. Maybe it's the best choice since it's more recent that NSMBMario, but that one's good too, and the picture doesn't necessarily have to be most recent one available. Let's see what everyone else thinks. CrystalYoshi

16:07, 26 March 2008 (EDT) P.S. Stumpers: All three of my sections in a row on this page, you've commented in them.

Oh yeah, I know -- right now we just vote on which one serves our purpose the best. I was only bringing the "most recent" thing up in case we wanted to actually base our reasoning on something aside from personal opinion. The only thing I'm not liking about MP8 is that he looks like he's marching or something, which Mario has only done on one occasion, whereas his jumping pose, well... that's something he's done forever. I don't think you need to worry about pictures being blurry, btw, because in relation to the image, the box is very small. I'm good with all of the pics, though. Stumpers! 23:01, 26 March 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, I know, he does look weird in MP8. This one Image:Mariogood.jpg is too old, right? That one would be good but it's from SM64Ds, which is pretty old. It's good to have a very current one. CrystalYoshi 20:40, 3 April 2008 (EDT)

Broken link! :( How about one from Galaxy, like Image:MarioGalaxyArt.jpg. Stumpers! 20:44, 3 April 2008 (EDT)

Sorry. Image:Mariogood.PNG There's the good link. The Mario Galaxy one isn't so great because he's flying (Relates back to your thing with the MP8 one and since you can't see his whole appearence. Tell me about the SM64Ds one now that there's a good link. CrystalYoshi 20:48, 3 April 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, I really like that image. It shows his determination, which, according to the official DiC write-up, and others that I can't remember off-hand, is one of the secrets to his success. I agree about the Galaxy thing. How about we edit the Luma out of Image:Tykemario.jpg? Either that or your image would be awesome IMO. Stumpers! 20:51, 3 April 2008 (EDT)

When you edit something out, it's not exactly oficcial artwork anymore. I think the NSMB one is the best, but I'll wait for someone else to confirm that it would be good. CrystalYoshi 19:26, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

I've found a better one: Image:MP5Mario2.png. The only thing is that some people might say it's too old to be used as a main picture. But it used to be Wikipedia's, so I think it's good. CrystalYoshi 11:25, 24 April 2008 (EDT)

I hope you don't mind, I corrected some links and format in your message. In regards to your concern about the Galaxy image, the image in question was actually two individual artworks merged into one. You'll notice Tyke's pose is also seen in his artwork (Tyke=Luma if you've played the English version), so I'd still say even with Tyke edited out it would be official. Anyway... Your MP5 example is fine... go ahead if you want. Stumpers! 23:42, 24 April 2008 (EDT)

I just want someone else's opinion before I change stuff. Come on users, is Image:MP5Mario2.png good for a main picture? CrystalYoshi 10:08, 25 April 2008 (EDT)

Actually, a better quality version of the MPDS Mario picture was uploaded, so now I want to upload that one. Anyone agree? CrystalYoshi

ANYONE? Come on, people! 09:27, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

New York City v. Big Ape City

There's been a bit of edit controversy between SiFi and I regarding whether Mario was in New York City or Big Ape City when he battled Donkey Kong. I remember that the Big Ape City idea came from one of Cranky's comments that he had kidnapped multiple maidens from there. The New York City theory... wasn't that the original location of Donkey Kong the arcade game? Anyway, let's get some opinions up in hizzle. Stumpers! 20:33, 3 April 2008 (EDT)

I'm pretty sure NYC was retconned, not to mention I can't find any proof of that. Also, both Big Ape City and the big city from Donkey Kong '94 were connected to a jungle. I doubt NYC, even in Mario's world, is connected to a jungle. But the exact quote was: "Travel by zeppelin to Donkey Kong's favorite stomping ground, Big Ape City. The sight of that familiar skyline might bring back fond memories, but don't waste your time sightseeing when there are Kremlings around!" - SiFi

Okay, then! You're good to go. I'll be the NYC was a fan assumption made when the "Super Show!" came out. I should play '94... seems like there's good stuff there. I can confirm that the NYC is not connected to a jungle anywhere in the "Super Show!" and I'm pretty sure "Mario is Missing!" doesn't have it as such either. Coolio, I'll change the article accordingly. Thanks for putting up with my roadblock... Stumpers! 10:18, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

Just one more question, but it doesn't matter with the article. What game/source was the quote from and what did they mean by zeppelin? Stumpers! 10:25, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

The quote comes from the manual of Donkey Kong Land. Zeppelin was a brand of (luxurious) Airships. --Blitzwing 10:29, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

Thanks, Blitzwing! Stumpers! 10:32, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

Surname IS "Mario"

In Super Mario Galaxy, the Mailtoad calls Mario Mr. Mario.(Or, if you must know, Mr. Marioooooo"), His family is called the "MARIO" household, and the movie supports it.Darth Waluigi 21:43, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

The reason we've been reluctant to confirm what the movie says is true to be true in all games/comics/TV shows etc. is because the movie was a, "What if..." scenario ("What if the dinosaurs survived?" or something to that extent is asked in the intro to the movie), and as a "What if..." scenario, the movie held no barring on things such as character's age, relationships, etc. in the central scenario (video games, TV shows, etc. that are not directly opposed to the central platformers). Additionally, Nintendo of America early on confirmed that Mario did not have a list name. Then the movie came out. Then our Wiki came. And now, Galaxy is here. The question now is whether or not this and the use of, "Master Mario" from Toadsworth in Sunshine should be considered indications that it's a last name. I think the question here is: does the Mailtoad say, "Mr. Luigi" to Luigi? Stumpers! 17:40, 20 April 2008 (EDT)

Yeah the MailToad or Toad goes Mr.Luigi!! Grapes

Well, that means "Mr. Mario" isn't referring to his surname, but is just a friendly title using his first name. I don't know, actually, but I don't know what kind of parents would name their kid so that their first and last names were the same. CrystalYoshi 10:18, 25 April 2008 (EDT) Things in Mario don't have to be realistic, though...

But in the infobox, should we say "Mario" or "Mario Mario"? It's currently the second (Cpeterson12 made it that way) but Clay Mario says we should just have "Mario" since there's not much proof of his surname being Mario except in the movies. I'll wait and see of someone changes it, but which one should we have? CrystalYoshi 11:01, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

I'm pretty sure that Nintendo didn't say anything about Mario's last name being Mario. In fact, once they said Mario doesn't have a last name to begin with. I think we should keep it to just "Mario" for now. Mumbles 23:08, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

Weellll. I know I'm probably going to get huge backlash from a few people, but I changed it to "Mario". Mumbles 23:12, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

STOP EDIT WAR NAO. This is stupid. Please, let the article say "Mario" for now, and wait for someone to get proof at all that his last name is Mario. State them here. DO NOT change the article itself, unless giving a souce. Marcelagus (T • C • E)

Cobold, Clay Mario, and I are discussing the possibility of making a separate article for the movie incarnation of Mario. That should solve the problem. We should still note that Nintendo Power referred to him as Mario Mario once, however, just not in the infobox. Stumpers! 03:38, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

I don't think thats such a good idea, because then we would need an article for Mario in the cartoons, comics etc as well as the movie. Then every other character who appeared would need them same treatment - User:Kamicciolo

Don't make a new page for him in the movies. (Even though they don't seem to be the same person, the movie Mario is definitely based on the real one. Maybe we should have a little bit of information in the article about the various sources of his last name, but for now, let's just say "Mario" in the infobox. CrystalYoshi 07:43, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

There's one question I have about the wiki in the first place: Why isn't this wiki only about the games? Trying to make the movie fit into canon is very hard and annoying, and it's not even the original Mario. Yeah, people say Mario lives in brooklyn, but no, he lives in the Mushroom Kingdom. Why not just stick to the games? If we're saying that the Movie is supposedly "semi-canon", we'd have to take every single other comic, Tv show, and whatever the crap into "semi-canon" consideration. Can we not just rid the wiki of the Movie crap? Okay, we can keep the article itself, but anything that happens in the movie does not necessarily happen in the mushroom world. Meaning, Movies are non-canon, and any facts/events mentioned in the movie are unjustifiable. Marcelagus (T • C • E)

Instead of completely deleting all movie info why not have a seperate section, completely seperate from the games, like on the Princess Daisy page. That way we cover the movie and keep it seperate from the games. - User:Kamicciolo

Kamicciolo has a very good point. It works on Daisy's and Toad's pages. I think it's because they have the same name that there's not trouble. Garlic Man's opinion is valid and I'd like to address that. Quote from the main page: "Welcome to the Super Mario Wiki! ...with 8,556 articles on the complete Mario series." Our official focus has been, for as long as I have remembered, to document every official Mario thing. This includes video games, movies, comics, TV shows, even merchandise. That is why the Wiki isn't only about the games. Besides, anyone can find information about video games these days. 1980s TV shows and comics? Not so readily available.

Your second querry: "Trying to make the movie fit into canon is very hard and annoying, and it's not even the original Mario. Yeah, people say Mario lives in brooklyn, but no, he lives in the Mushroom Kingdom." I can't say I've ever seen taht happen on this Wiki. Plus, why are you trying to make anything fit into anything else? If there's an inconsistency, point it out in the article. Don't make up fanon to try to fit two things together. Make it easy on yourself! :) You may be referring to the writing of Son of Suns. Famed user, up there with the greats such as Steve, right? He created the current incarnation of MarioWiki:Canonicity. That page is made of unofficial fanon, including the thing about "Alternate Canon" that you are calling "Semi-Canon".

"Okay, we can keep the article itself, but anything that happens in the movie does not necessarily happen in the mushroom world." It seems to me as though you've never seen the movie. Either that, or you are assuming that the Mario article is only about the Mario seen in sources in the continuity of Donkey Kong. Not true: the Mario article is about the character Mario. That means all things that he has every been in since he was created by Sigeru Miyamoto. Writers have focused the article on video games, which makes sections like personality confusing. That confusion is why I support separating the movie Mario. Nothing about him lines up with the Donkey Kong Mario. Garlic Man, I'd really appreciate it if you familiarized yourself with the comics and TV shows. I've seen way to many users say things like, "If we're saying that the Movie is supposedly "semi-canon", we'd have to take every single other comic, Tv show, and whatever the crap into "semi-canon" consideration." The DiC TV shows, Valient Comics, and Super Mario Adventures line up to the video games almost as closely as, say, Paper Mario lines up with Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time, especially when you consider that the video game personalities were created years after the TV shows and comics created personalities for the characters... and they still line up pretty closely. The movie? Completely different. There's even a "What-if" statement at the beginning that technically makes the entire movie a "What-if" scenario, in other words, not canon to anything else in the series but itself. Stumpers! 17:48, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

So then why not just say in the infobox "Mario (Mario Mario in the movie) or something like that? CrystalYoshi 19:58, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

Geez, Stumpers. By saying "If we're saying that the Movie is supposedly "semi-canon", we'd have to take every single other comic, Tv show, and whatever the crap into "semi-canon" consideration.", I mean: I own a comic book series about Mario. It's written in Japanese, whatever, but there are so many Mario cartoons, that we'd have to say everything is canon. So, according to my book, Yoshi ate Mecha Bowser. Well, it's a Mario comic, so it must be canon, then. Should we mention that in the article? Yoshi ate the Mecha Bowser. Makes sense to me, according to your logic. :\ Marcelagus (T • C • E)

While I can't speak for the manga you're talking about, I can tell you that most American comics, TV shows, etc. with the exception of the movie, do fit into the video game storylines without over-writing events. I'm pretty sure your manga is what's called a "retelling" if it's Super Mario-kun. Am I right in thinking that they re-tell Super Mario Sunshine, Paper Mario, and several other game storylines? That doesn't mean it's non-canon. Remember how the remake of Super Mario Bros. 2 USA introduced Robo-Birdo? Are we to think that either the Mouser battle or the Robo-Birdo battle was non-canon? To say that either one is non-canon would be speculation. Instead, we should say, "In the original, Mouser was fought at the end of the world. In the remake, Robo-Birdo was fought." In the same way, you could say (and I'm going to make mistakes as to the contents of your manga, but bear with me), "In Super Mario Sunshine Mario incapacitated Mecha Bowser, but in the Super Mario-kun retelling, Yoshi ate him." You're trying to write the articles based on a canon that doesn't exist, and is therefore fanon. All we can do when it comes to a history section is present the information in chronological order as presented in each source, no matter your view of the canonicity, except when no chronological connections are made. Examples of this would be the movie and the Super Mario Amada series. This is a win-win scenario: those who see the video games as the only canon can skip over those parts about TV shows and such, and those who believe that everything is canon can read the whole article, getting info presented in chronological order. If someone is in between, they can skip around as they see fit. The other solution is that we turn the format of the article into a list of character appearances in order, each with a blurb about what Mario did in that source and his personality/appearance in each if applicable. It would be confusing, though. In Super Mario Land 2, it would be something like: This game is chronologically after Super Mario Land 1, in it... etc." That's the lose-lose scenario, where no one gets to see information presented in a chronological order. Stumpers! 23:55, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

Think of it this way, Stumpers: the Toad article doesn't say "Toad is sometimes Peach's attendant of the Toad species, and sometimes a human who plays guitar and got turned into a Goomba." Does it? Of course we cover the movie, but MarioWiki:Canonicity says that we should consider it to be alternate-canon. I agree, since Nintedo people created Mario and Nintendo did not publish the movie (Did it?). Heck, the article even says, "it follows a completely different continuity based in an entirely different world from its inspiration." Therefore, I think the best solution would be that we say in the infobox, "Mario (Mario Mario in some sources)". CrystalYoshi 08:18, 15 June 2008 (EDT)

Who has the baby Mario trophy in SSBM? Check out the description, anyway. "the stork was carrying Baby Mario and Baby Luigi to the Mario household" What do you have to say to this? Unless Mario's dad is called Mario Senior, which I seriously doubt. So take it into consideration... - SiFi 09:58, 15 June 2008 (EDT)

Well, it's always possible that they just call it that because we're familiar with Mario. Plus, once in a while those trophies make mistakes. I think someone said that Princess Daisy's trophy said that she first appeared in Mario Golf, which is wrong. CrystalYoshi 11:45, 15 June 2008 (EDT)

I share your concern on that point, Crystal, but the fact is that we're looking at a video game source here. They are, according to MarioWiki:Canonicity, the highest order of canon. I know that I don't believe it is our place to organize official sources into levels of canon, but since you've been using that article in your argument, I will too, just because you can't argue to a police officer that a law should or will be different: right now it is what it is. Smash Bros. was made by HAL, a gaming company bought up by Nintendo and since integrated to the extent that its former employee Iwata became Nintendo's president. While Melee did make a mistake about Daisy's first appearance, it got many other things correct. In other words, we now have a video game source, a TV show source, and even a movie source, all of which say the same thing: Mario's last name is Mario. How do we know that SiFi's idea of Mario's Dad also being named Mario is false? Because Mario has NEVER been called "junior." Stumpers! 21:05, 15 June 2008 (EDT)

That's true, but I think it just says "The Mario Household" to mean that it's Mario's house. Well, that doesn't really matter, but whether we have Mario or Mario Mario, please no Dr. at the beginning. CrystalYoshi 14:28, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, we shouldn't do that until someone can find a source that offically says Mario got his PhD or Mushroom Kingdom equivilent. Stumpers! 14:31, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

Well, that's not really the point. The point is that Dr. Mario is discussed in a separate article. This article is just about Mario in general. I'm gonna go ahead and remove it, and if someone has an objection they should tell me before slapping the Dr. back on. CrystalYoshi 11:20, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

His surname IS Mario as it refers to the "Mario Bros.".
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Miss Koopette (talk).

Childhood with Peach and Mario?

There is something wrong with the relationship between Mario and Princess Peach. It says, "Mario and Princess Peach had a relationship since childhood". This isn't true. In the TV shows, such as The Great Rescue For Princess Peach, Mario knew Peach when he was an adult. In the game, he went to Donkey Kong at the construction site, "Donkey Kong The Game from 1983." He was an adult and did not even know what the Mushroom Kingdom was. I'm not sure if this is true, but Mario had a job at the construction site. Once Donkey Kong ruined it, Mario was blamed and fired. He then had a job as a plumber and went into the sewers(to fight shellcreepers and sidesteppers.). He and his brother Luigi were both pushed into a giant green pipe they found by Donkey Kong, with Donkey Kong falling with them. As being frightened, Donkey Kong ran away. This is when Mario and Luigi figured out what the Mushroom Kingdom was. This indicates that Mario hasn't met Peach as a little kid, but as an adult. Is it alright to say if this could be changed?

I think it's talking about when they were babies. They knew each other as babies In M&L: Partners in Time and Yoshi's Island DS. CrystalYoshi 09:26, 31 May 2008 (EDT) And remember to sign your comments.

Oh ok, because of course in most video games, the characters technically meet each other at different times. Thanks for answering!
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by The Real Super Mario (talk).

I think you may have stumbled across something from a fan site, my friend. Mario's past is very broken and full of plot holes. Here's what we have.

• Mario was born in the Mushroom World, had many adventures, had been to the Mushroom Kingdom where he was a playmate of Baby Peach.
  • PLOT BREAK
• Mario runs Mario brother's plumbing as an adult with Luigi. His mother and several other relatives live there as well. A comic seems to portray Mario as living in the Real World. The backstory given by this comic begins at about the same time as the TV show, supporting it mostly.
  • PLOT BREAK
• Mario, prior to the historical introduction of the Mushroom World in Super Mario Bros. 1, has his battles with Donkey Kong and is in the pipes in Mario Bros.
• Mario gets to the Mushroom World with Luigi alone through a secret warp pipe by accident (Super Show) or by following a voice (comics)
• Mario saves Peach by fighting through eight worlds or by... rolling into Bowser (Super Show's opening, which was very abstract and probably isn't to be taken as fact: Bowser in that show talks about the irritating plumbers in the first episode, as if he's had a long battle with them).
• Events of Super Show.
  • PLOT BREAK
• Events of Super Mario Bros. 2 Japan version. etc. etc. Stumpers! 16:08, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

Some more added trivia

In the Cartoon Network Shows, "Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends" and "Chowder", there are a pair of two people who have red and green clothes with overalls. This could be the Mario Bros. in these shows.
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by The Real Super Mario (talk).

That belongs in Television Sightings, which is a list of cameos, both official and 3rd party (like your example). Plese use two equal signs to create a new heading and be sure to sign your posts with three/four ~ signs. Stumpers! 00:26, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

Other Media

Shouldn't there be a section of Mario's appearances in comics, anime, cartoons, ect. like with the other characters? Or is it on the page and I'm just not seein' it.

I remember it, but I was wondering the same thing just the other day. Some uber-video-game purist may have deleted it without our noticing, but who knows. Stumpers! 01:11, 12 June 2008 (EDT)

Forms Section

Would anybody else be in favor of the creation of either a written section or chart of the forms Mario takes on throughout his adventures? (ex. Fire Mario, Super Mario, Invincible Mario) If so, would it be better as a chart or written out? I'm thinking maybe a chart would be best, just because there are so many forms. You could have: the form name, the ability it gives him, the game(s)/TV shows/comics he became them in, and the item that caused it. Stumpers! 15:09, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

I think its a good idea, but instead of a chart what if we use a table with a similar layout to the one that shows all of King Koopa's disguises in the Super Show - Kamicciolo

My mistake - that's exactly what I was thinking of. I was thinking we could make it a sortable chart, too. Let me do up an example. The same could be added to Luigi's article with little trouble (aside from removing "Metal Luigi" and other forms from games he was not in). Stumpers! 20:21, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

My only complaint with that layout would be that maybe we could have images to show what each form looks like, and out of wondering would it just be Mario & Luigi we do this for or should we include Wario?
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kamicciolo (talk).

Agreed on both counts. Wario would especially benefit from this. Stumpers! 22:45, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Picture	Name	Ability	Item	Appearances
	Small Mario	N/A	N/A	Super Mario Bros., Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels, Super Mario Bros. 2, Super Mario Bros. 3, Super Mario World, New Super Mario Bros.
	Super Mario	Extra Hit-point	Super Mushroom	Super Mario Bros., Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels, Super Mario Bros. 2, Super Mario Bros. 3, Super Mario World, New Super Mario Bros.
	Fire Mario	Fireball throwing	Fire Flower	Super Mario Bros., Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels, Super Mario Bros. 2, Super Mario Bros. 3, Super Mario World, New Super Mario Bros., Super Mario Galaxy

I'd also suggest making the 'appearances' links smaller, so they don't look as crammed. — Stooben Rooben 03:27, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

How do you change text size? I've never actually done it! Stumpers! 09:23, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

Just bringing this up, wouldn't Super Mario have alot more appearances (like in sports games and the 3D Platformers) since it is considered Mario's regular form? - Kamicciolo

You only hear about it in games where small/regular Mario is another form. I'm not really sure it's good to list all of those appearances when size-changing issue doesn't apply (ex. SM64: Mario doesn't get smaller when hit). The exception would be Mario Strikers Charged, where one of Mario and Luigi have a special move where they become bigger. You are right though: New Super Mario Bros. showed Mario as his normal size in relation to Princess Peach in the opening. He then got hit with a Green Shell and shrank to Small/Regular Mario. The other size is the size he is when he becomes Super Mario. Stumpers! 11:27, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

Your right about how there is no Small Mario to factor in, but no matter how you look at it Mario is still in his Super form in those games, which is why I brought it up - Kamicciolo

Stumpers: put <small> before the links, and put </small> after the links. Just be careful to do it strictly around the links; I don't know if putting it elsewhere could make the table look glitched. — Stooben Rooben 18:33, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Wario

Nothing is mentioned about Wario under Interactions with other characters! Next to Bowser, I would dare say that Wario is perhaps Mario's greatest enemy. WK

You should make a section, then. Stumpers! 10:23, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

Oh, I'd like to, but I can't. Only members who have been here a while can edit this particular page. I don't see what's so special about Mario on mariowiki, though.  :) WK

As it probably is the main article of the wiki, it is especially vulnerable to vandalism, that's why it is semi-protected. Time Questions 13:27, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

But, honestly; How long do you have to be registered to edit a semi-protected page? Marcelagus (T • C • E) Seems a little unfair to the people who want to contribute.

I hadn't noticed it was protected! Sorry, WK. Stumpers! 16:28, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

It's quite all right, Stumpers. I was just saying this incase anyone wanted to add it. I like to add things to this wiki when I see a problem. WK

Well something I'd like to say here: Wario isn't always Mario's enemy, Super Mario 64 DS for example. He usually does what will satisfy his greed. :-P CrystalYoshi 09:31, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Garlic Man: I believe you have to be registered for 15 days before being able to edit this page. — Stooben Rooben 18:21, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Oh, ok. But doesn't that seem a bit long, though? Is the time changable, or is it set by MediaWiki or something? Before asking Steve, I think we should gather some opinions on whether 15 days is too long or not(that's half a month!). I really doubt a vandal is going to wait 15 days just to mess up a/multiple page(s). What do you guys think? Marcelagus (T • C • E) 5 days even sounds sufficient to me...

I personally believe it should be 7 days, but it may be set in stone by MediaWiki. However, before we go any further into discussion, I'd suggest moving this conversation to the Main Talk Page. — Stooben Rooben 18:31, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Discussion has been moved. Copied, rather. Marcelagus (T • C • E)

Mario References

Hey guys, what about writing about Mario References in another games? (Banjo-Tooie for instance?)quac 12:50, 27 August 2008 (EDT)

Per our current policy regarding cameos, "official cameos" (those in Nintendo games or those, such as NBA Street V3, were licensed by Nintendo) are to be included in the articles. "Unofficial cameos" are to be placed on the "Sightings" pages. Banjo-Tooie would go under, Game Sightings in the references section. I believe it's already there. Thanks for your concern! Stumpers! 16:26, 27 August 2008 (EDT)

Image changed

I changed Mario's Mario party 8 artwork for a more recent artwork.
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Koopalmier (talk).

Hmmm... well, maybe a picture of just Mario (without anything else, like a baseball bat) would be better. Image:MPDSMario.jpg, for example. Unless anyone strongly disagrees, I think I might change it. CrystalYoshi 10:50, 1 September 2008 (EDT)

I think the more current artwork (baseball) is best. Baseball and Party are both spin-offs, so this isn't a matter of importance. Rather, we're talking about whether Mario is holding something in a picture. Either way, it's still a picture of Mario. Wikipedia, or example, is okay with pictures of singers holding something other than microphones. I definately don't think we need to be more picky than Wikipedia on this point (people holding things in pictures). Stumpers! 11:21, 1 September 2008 (EDT)

kay then, I won't change it. CrystalYoshi 18:23, 5 September 2008 (EDT)

Construction Tag

There is a construction template under what "Mario is sometimes Called". Is it still under construction because we're missing sources? Marcelagus (T • C • E)

Image

I changed the actual image for a recent image ( Mario is a bit different in the recent images, exemple: his pants have a color a bit different ), but I think this is not a good thing. Am I right ?
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Koopalmier (talk).

What about a trivia in this article?Sonic Rocks 20:16, 18 October 2008 (EDT)

First "3-D" game?

I noticed the section discussing his appearance in Super Mario RPG refers to the game appearance being Mario's first time in 3-D. Did you mean, more than just a flat side-scroller, or are you referring to the graphics themselves? If the ladder, that's wrong, if the former, you're right. Leirin 17:13, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Either way, I'm sure the passing reader is going to think 3D graphics rather than "not a side-scroller." Stumpers! 20:05, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Wario in Super Mario 64 DS?

I know that it already happened but, why was Wario in Super Mario 64 DS? I mean why would Princess Peach invite him!? Danielnator1 (talk)

Maybe she didn't want Wario to get angry at her for not inviting, having another foe and kidnaping her. She's been kidnapped heaps of times.

14:19, 22 January 2009 (EST)

For future reference, a question about a game's plot should be placed on the game's talk page, in this case Talk:Super Mario 64 DS. You can also chat about games on our forum (on the left hand navigation bar). But, onto you question: As of Mario Party, we know Wario was one of Mario's close friends due to the game's narration, and they have remained so from that point on. Peach invited Wario to her castle in Mario Party 3. However, their friendship goes way back: according to the first Mario vs. Wario comic, the two were playmates as children. Though Wario remembers these incidents with anger, Mario remembers them with fondness. In the second comic, Peach invites Wario to her birthday party. If one assumes that earlier published events happened earlier (except where noted), that would mean that at some point after Super Mario Land 2: Six Golden Coins, where Wario stole Mario's castle, the two must have become friends once again. However, there is still some antagonism between Mario and Wario, as seen in Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix. Now, for the out-of-universe answer: Wario became one of the most popular Mario characters following Super Mario Land 2, and got his first starring role just a few short years later in Wario Land: Super Mario Land 3. Compare that to Donkey Kong, who finally got his own series many many years after his original appearance. In fact, Wario's popularity is comparable to Yoshi's, who also got his first staring role very shortly after his first appearance. Since then, the Wario spin-off series has developed around him, proving his popularity. As you know, the three characters I mentioned above all headline a spin-off series (the Wario, Yoshi, and Donkey Kong series respectively, and as such Nintendo considers them popular enough to be characters in the various Mario spin-offs and to be referenced in some of Mario's main adventures. Stumpers! 14:31, 22 January 2009 (EST)

The Star Gate Quote

I don't have the one with Luigi but here it is what it said about Mario:

"You are true and courageous. Your heart is filled with virtue and concern for your brother. I do recomend you watch your diet, however it is also filled with much Alfreado sauce. You should especially cut down on carbora, though it will be hard, for that is very tasty. If you curb your appetite, do some light cardio work and continue to ward your brother. You will no doubt grow to be a figure of immense popularity, yet not grow an immense belly. You may pass and I do recomend puttanesca; that stuff is great."

It makes some points and we should mention them if they are not mentioned already:

• Mario likes eating alfreado sauce and carbora so that's why he needs to be on a diet
• Mario really trusts Luigi (my bro is just so annoying)

• Puttanesca ISN'T great. I've tried it and I don't like it

Queen of Koopas 14:19, 22 January 2009 (EST)

Thanks for posting that quote! We need to create a list of implied foods throughout the series, which includes the Alfredo sauce, carbora, and puttanesca. This also confirms that Mario enjoys Italian food, something that was previously stated repeatedly in the Super Show and then seemingly dropped from the rest of the series. Stumpers! 14:37, 22 January 2009 (EST)

You're welcome. I will try to complete the game again. if I can and I hope I'll get the quote for Luigi.
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Miss Koopette (talk).

Non-cannonical content

Why is there non-cannonical content on the biography ? Educative games don't count, nor other medias that video games.

Koopalmier 14:27, 22 January 2009 (EST)

Please see MarioWiki:Canonicity and refrain from removing the content. Also know that this article is severely out of date in terms of Wiki article organization policy. Please see Mama Mario for an example of how articles should be organized, particularly in terms of video games versus other sources. So, don't remove the content, simply reformat the article per policy (you can find the whole policy on our FAQ pages, etc.) Stumpers! 14:34, 22 January 2009 (EST)

See MarioWiki: Manual of Style for more details. Also I believe Bowser follows the policy pretty well. -- Son of Suns (talk)

Thank you, that was the page I was looking for. Koopalmier, feel free to discuss the page with me on my talk page = I'm looking to get a group of interested people working on the article. Stumpers! 16:49, 22 January 2009 (EST)

Well, the whole page is non-"cannon"ical. I don't see any Bullet Bill Blaster on it... --Blitzwing 17:02, 22 January 2009 (EST)

"Leapin' lasagna, Luigi! Blitzwing made a better joke than we ever did!" Stumpers! 17:37, 22 January 2009 (EST)

He's Italian

Mario is italian, unfortunetly, I can't edit due to a protection. Please unprotect, I was chosen to edit. Mario is italian. Who denies, hates him.FoodGourmet55 13:00, 23 January 2009 (EST)

In time, you will be allowed to edit protected articles. In the meantime, please be aware that this article needs more work than perhaps any other article on the Wiki, and so many things, such as Mario's race as established by Charles Martinet's comments, may or may not be included. Also, please refrain from making assertions that anyone who does not agree with you hates Mario. Such assertions go against our policies, in which one is to assume good faith in other users' edits unless said edits are obviously vandalism, etc. Stumpers! 13:56, 23 January 2009 (EST)

Mario isn't Italian. He born and lived in the Mushroom Kingdom. Charles Martinet gave him an Italian accent for fun. Koopalmier 18:13, 23 January 2009 (EST)

Actually, Martinet was explicitly asked to provide the voice of an Italian plumber from Brooklyn. Ergo... Stumpers! 03:47, 24 January 2009 (EST)

I agree with with all of you. Mario is Italian and the aritcle is the most important in the whole wiki. Nintendo Staff said that most of the Mario fans can make up things about Mario so I will ask them if Rossi is a suitable surname for him. It's Italian (like his first name), it's similar to the word "Rosso" (which means red) and I read somewhere that it's the most popular surname in Italy. If Nintendo comfirms it, can we show the changes?

Queen of Koopas 09:32, 1 February 2009 (EST)

Provided you have adequate documentation, we would have to mention it, yes, but I'm not sure how one would adequately document an e-mail... :P His surname of Mario has been confirmed here and there, as well, although originally Nintendo said they didn't have last names. Stumpers! 16:00, 1 February 2009 (EST)~

Non-Canon Appearances

Are we aloud to put non-canon appearances here, such as a Mario appearance on The Simpsons, pop-culture, etc? Yoshario

If notable enough, those appearances can go in the Trivia section. Otherwise, they should be placed in the references pages. -- Son of Suns (talk)